Trump May Withhold Insurers’ Funds to Force Democrats to Negotiate Healthcare

By | April 13, 2017

  • April 13, 2017 at 9:34 am
    ExciteBiker says:
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    When you’re in charge, you can’t run around smashing up your house and then blame the prior owner. It’s your house now. This won’t bring Dems to the table… they will sit back, hand him a rope and wait for the inevitable result.

    • April 13, 2017 at 11:30 am
      Confused says:
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      How about this analogy: “I rented a home, knew we were responsible to pay the electric bills, but I refuse to pay those bills in hopes my landlord will renegotiate our lease and put up solar panels”?

      • April 13, 2017 at 8:12 pm
        PolarBeaRepeal says:
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        Wrong. Congress NEVER approved the payments. Your ignorance of The US Constitution and workings of the 3 Branches of Government is staggering. Congress holds the purse strings. If that’s confusing, stop making silly posts and read the US Constitution and Amendments thereto.

        • April 14, 2017 at 12:36 am
          George Lee says:
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          How about you read the US Constitution & the amendments thereto, and especially read the preamble which states the purposes of government,— especially one that states that one of the foremost purposes of government is to “provide for the general welfare of the people”, which inherently includes health care. If a person is dying of brain cancer, he couldn’t give a big crap about defense “needs” that drained billions of dollars from the budget so that a “Wag The Dog” president could spend that same money to distract from his evil predations.

          • April 14, 2017 at 3:35 pm
            integrity matters says:
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            George Lee – Really?? General welfare of the people? How broad is that statement? Inherently includes healthcare?? Are you daft or just making this crap up?

            So, I guess you think the government should provide everyone with a house, car, TV, phones, food, etc?

            Where does it end and who is going to pay for it all?

            I suggest you read all the Madison letters and other documents that provide the intent and thoughts of our forefathers. The government was designed to be a LIMITED government. The “general welfare” statement pertains to the government doing things for the people that they cannot do for themselves, meaning infrastructure and defense of the nation.

        • April 14, 2017 at 8:42 am
          PolarBeaRepeal says:
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          ‘General Welfare’ doesn’t SPECIFICALLY include immortality.

          I’ve read the US Constitution, word for word.

          If you want to interpret the US Constitution as you like, that’s your choice. No one will be legally compelled by your selfish interpretation.

          Name three people who are immortal, through the help of a Socialist Government in any global nation or community. Ready, steady, … GO!

          • April 14, 2017 at 12:24 pm
            UW says:
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            Such a dumb argument. What kind of people babe those? You get annihilated in 1 post and go to immortality. Just stupid beyond belief as an argument.

          • April 14, 2017 at 6:40 pm
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            Apparently, hyperbole is a difficult concept for Libitterals to comprehend when someone other than them uses it.

            Please explain where in the US Constitution I can find the definition of ‘general welfare’.

            Please explain the meaning of the word ‘general’ in the context of the US Constitution.

            Please explain why you continue to troll IJ.

            Ready, stead, … GO!

          • April 16, 2017 at 10:27 pm
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            Failure to respond to my question means you LOSE the debate. But that was expected.

          • April 18, 2017 at 6:37 am
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            Please cite a SCOTUS ruling on the ‘general welfare’ phrase in the US Constitution that interprets the meaning to include health care or immortality. Ready, steady, … GO!

          • April 18, 2017 at 6:20 pm
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            The Constitution doesn’t include many specific acts by design. You may have read the Constitution (I think that’s a lie) but there’s no doubt you didn’t, and cannot, comprehend it, nor did you look into it further. The General Welfare clause is mentioned twice, one saying government has the responsibility to provide it, and one saying it has the power to collect taxes to do so. It mentions the press, in the freedom of the press Amendment, but does not mention industries, professions, etc. generally, because it is intended to be broad, and doing so would limit it in the future.

            If you want to argue health does not pertain to the general welfare of the country or the people I would love to hear it, but I bet you don’t, and instead you want to post useless, whining, idiotic, drivel.

            Funny how you deny this because it’s not specifically mentioned, and also deny the right of government to regulate guns when that is explicitly called for. It’s almost like you are an inconsistent rube who can’t think beyond his own small world, preferences and ideology, and dismisses literally every single thing that contradicts those things.

    • April 13, 2017 at 1:10 pm
      Counterpoint says:
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      I agree. Trump might have been able to get this to work if Democrats controlled something in Congress but right now he would just damage his own party and himself by making them look unwilling to go along with their president and compromise and him by making him look like someone who can’t get his party in line without a threat of (fiscal) force.

    • April 13, 2017 at 6:14 pm
      PolarBeaRepeal says:
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      What is the inevitable result? Explain in detail. Ready, steady, … GO!

  • April 13, 2017 at 1:24 pm
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    Its bad enough already and now he is just going to make it worse.
    The initial plan should have been more consumer based like get rid of the web site and their incompetent people staffing it, break up open enrollment, cut down on the massive piles of paper work they send out and start to address the underlying factors that drive the cost.

    • April 13, 2017 at 2:29 pm
      Agent says:
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      FFA, time to stick a fork in this turkey. It is done. Democrats will never negotiate anything if funding is continued because they like playing 4 corner and delaying the inevitable. Talk about money going down the rathole, this is the mother of all ratholes.

      • April 13, 2017 at 2:33 pm
        Confused says:
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        Republicans hold majorities in ALL THREE branches of the government buddy – they don’t need Democrats to negotiate or vote with them, if they could just all get on the same page.

        The time of blaming Democrats for political inaction is over.

        Failure to pass legislation falls solely on the Republican’s shoulders until the results of the next mid-term election are finalized.

        • April 13, 2017 at 5:58 pm
          PolarBeaRepeal says:
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          I know who voted for ACA in 2010. If you don’t know, look it up.

          Also, look up ‘death spiral’ and ‘ February 2015; Ryan asks US Treasury about $3.2 Billion in unauthorized payments to health insurers.”

          • April 14, 2017 at 12:27 pm
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            You don’t know what a death spiral is. You don’t understand that Obamacare isn’t in a death spiral and only will be of its side intentionally. You don’t even work in insurance,and certainly don’t understand it.

          • April 14, 2017 at 3:59 pm
            integrity matters says:
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            UW – I don’t want to sound mean, but, your responses lately are so off base that it makes you sound so incredibly clueless. Who are you getting your information from? The handwriting is absolutely on the wall and the death spiral has already begun. (FYI…this was the original intent behind Obamacare so that single payer, govt run healthcare takes over).

            Fact: Congress controls the purse strings and determines what is supposed to be paid via the budget.

            If the budget included allocations to pay the health insurers, then they should get paid. If not, special appropriations must be voted on by Congress to approve payment.

            My concern is that NOT paying them will escalate the death spiral quicker and we will be forced into govt run healthcare.

            The Republicans better come up with a GOOD replacement plan and soon. The midterm elections will only create greater gridlock and obstructionism if Republicans loses the majority in either house.

            AND…if you think the democrats are loading the media up with BS now, it will be 10 times worse if they actually have any power.

          • April 14, 2017 at 4:49 pm
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            Integrity, with all due respect, for comments have made you sound like a clueless person for months. A death spiral is an actual thing. Arguably the US system was in one before Obamacare. Shrinking enrollment, healthy people leaving the system, and rising premiums are needed for a death spiral. The latest numbers show only slightly lower enrollment than last year, but the same as at the same point last year. Federal tax credits largely shield people on Obamacare from the rising premiums so they aren’t leaving due to that. I know as a conservative this can’t exist as a fact to you, but it is. The subsidies cap premium prices at a percentage of income for most in the plan. The data shows no real increase in healthy people leaving the risk pool. No death spiral. The only reason there will be one is because Republicans want one and create one.

            The CBO, Washington/NY Times, Politico, Politifact, and many others have shown it’s not in a death spiral, but the dumbest of the dumb insist it is. Now who will I believe, birthers and climate change deniers who work in insurance only as salespeople, or actual quantitative analysis and people who actually work in measuring risk? Real tough one, genius.

          • April 14, 2017 at 4:52 pm
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            AND…if you think the democrats are “loading the media up with BS now, it will be 10 times worse if they actually have any power.”

            I don’t think that, obviously, because I’m not in here ignorantly repeating lines about a death spiral, after not knowing what it was a week ago, unlike some.

          • April 14, 2017 at 6:42 pm
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            OK, I’ll play along, UW.

            Explain to me what a ‘death spiral’ is.
            Explain how I used the term incorrectly.

            Ready, steady, …. GO!

          • April 17, 2017 at 12:22 pm
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            @uw: I use the term properly in my writings here and elsewhere online. NO ONE on other websites said I didn’t know what I was talking about.

            Since your side is out of power, it’s apparent all you can do now is deny and object WITHOUT any substantial reason.

            I’m not going to fall into your trap of sidetracking from issues by replying to your lies about my lack of knowledge about ACA, laws, death spirals, etc.

            Find someone else to bait, you snowflake Libitteral troll!

          • April 17, 2017 at 1:04 pm
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            @UW; why are ACA rates rising so rapidly?

            The death spiral was changed as regards its acceleration rate. Tell me why that happened and if it is a positive or negative change. Ready, steady, … GO!

          • April 18, 2017 at 6:42 am
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            UW’s tactic lately is to state that a person with an opposing view doesn’t know what they are talking about or doesn’t know the meaning of words or doesn’t have their facts straight.

            Funny thing is, UW doesn’t provide the correct facts, the meaning of words in dispute as to meaning, or doesn’t explain what is being discussed.

            That is a relatively accurate definition of a troll.

          • April 18, 2017 at 8:07 am
            Confused says:
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            “Funny thing is, UW doesn’t provide the correct facts, the meaning of words in dispute as to meaning, or doesn’t explain what is being discussed. That is a relatively accurate definition of a troll.”

            pot, meet kettle. you just described how you post too.

          • April 18, 2017 at 11:07 am
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            @Confused: UW was the FIRST person to claim I didn’t know the meaning of death spiral…. and has been making claims I don’t know about law, insurance, etc.

            It’s HIS duty to prove his point.

            Making empty, unsubstantiated claims is the sign of a troll.

            I challenged UW to reply and he hasn’t …. your reply is just more TROLLING.

            Define ‘death spiral’. Ready, steady, …. GO!

          • April 18, 2017 at 11:39 am
            Confused says:
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            Never once have you defined specific words I felt you were using incorrectly, or at least told me what dictionary you were using as reference, when I have asked. Now you want me to define a word for you? I shall treat you the same way you treat me when I’ve asked you to define words – by not defining them as requested (but I’ll leave out the insults, off-topic comments and negativity).

          • April 18, 2017 at 11:56 am
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            @Confused: NO ONE questions my use of ‘death spiral’ except you. YOU need to defend your vacuous criticisms. Otherwise, you will rightly be called TROLL…. and ignored.

          • April 18, 2017 at 12:20 pm
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            Can you cite even ONE instance where I have told you I think “death spiral” means something besides how you used it?

            No, you can’t, because I never did. Stop lying and making things up. Now I have question your use of the following words:

            Literal
            Hyperbolic
            Figurative
            Everyone
            Nobody
            Living Document, to name a few

            Never once have I asked you to define death spiral, just how to measure it, how much time can go by before there’s a rash of uninsured people, or how & when to compare it to the % insured under the ACA replacement.

          • April 18, 2017 at 1:22 pm
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            @Confused:

            My conclusion is still undetermined, but it seems to settle down to three possibilities;

            1. Your teachers failed you and vice-versa.
            2. English is your second or third language.
            3. You’re a troll.

            Now, tell me which words I used improperly above. Ready, steady, … GO!

          • April 18, 2017 at 1:32 pm
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            You did not use “troll” correctly.

            a troll is a person who sows discord on the internet by starting arguments or upsetting people by posting off topic messages with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or otherwise disrupting normal on topic discussions.

            I did not start an argument (your insult to UW came first), I did not post off-topic (I replied to your UW insult), and I am not trying to provoke you into an emotional response (I did not call you any names or argue English is not your primary language).

            As such, I am not a troll and you used that word incorrectly.

          • April 18, 2017 at 3:51 pm
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            Yogi thinks a troll is a person who makes a statement he diagrees with, because he’s ignorant and knows little to nothing, he just regurgitates what he’s read elsewhere. That’s why he can’t recognize the rough outline of a death spiral I provided, since I didn’t specifically state it was a definition in the exact terminology he demanded. It is further proof of his functional illiteracy. It’s also why he lies about his degrees, education, and experience.

        • April 13, 2017 at 6:00 pm
          PolarBeaRepeal says:
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          Why are Republicans supposed to clean up? Explain. Ready, steady, … GO!

          • April 14, 2017 at 9:53 am
            Ron says:
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            Because that was one of their main campaign promises. They wanted the power and responsibility, now they have to put in the work and actually govern.

          • April 14, 2017 at 6:44 pm
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            And they will do just that… after a few stumbles. Once in a while, someone among them figures things out on the fly. This is one of those times.

          • April 17, 2017 at 1:05 pm
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            The HI industry will inevitably have to ‘clean up’.

            Congress simply needs to clear out of the way so insurers can step in with market driven solutions, not government controlled pricing and guaranteed market access.

          • April 18, 2017 at 6:45 am
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            @Ron; you are partially correct. You forgot to mention that Republicans / Conservatives WERE ELECTED TO CLEAN UP THE MESS MADE AND LEFT BEHIND BY DEMOCRATS. Thus, Republicans were voted in to replace Democrats that were voted out, or Republican incumbents were retained rather than replace them with Democrats who did nothing but HARM to our situation; e.g. foreign policy, fiscal stability, health care, division among political groups, terrorism, illegal immigration, etc.

          • April 18, 2017 at 7:46 am
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            Let’s assume the Democrats regain the majority in the House and/or Senate in 2018. Will that still be your position if/when that happens?

            I understand it is a hypothetical, but it is realistic, especially if they cannot accomplish anything while holding all 3 branches.

          • April 18, 2017 at 11:09 am
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            Yes, if the American public somehow thinks the party that made a HYUUUGE mess over the last half century can fix things now, then they must do so.

          • April 18, 2017 at 1:27 pm
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            You did not use troll correctly

          • April 18, 2017 at 1:30 pm
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            above post was done on the wrong thread. please ignore the above comment as it’s not part of this conversation.

      • April 14, 2017 at 12:38 am
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        No! The mother of all rat holes is the “offense budget”!

        • April 14, 2017 at 8:44 am
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          Actually, the mother of all rat holes is kaput, per the MOAB.

          MMoARHEA:

          Make Mother of All Rat Holes Empty Again!

          • April 14, 2017 at 4:58 pm
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            Yeah, $16 million to kill 36 ISIS members, and that’s from the administration so the number is probably cost to 5.

            This does nothing except create more terrorists and help ISIS recruit. Doing nothing would be better. Trump is the best thing to happen to radical Islam since the invasion of Iraq.

          • April 14, 2017 at 6:46 pm
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            Wrong. Death tally is irrelevant. Destruction of the ISIS tunnel to travel undetected is a major win, win, win by the USA.

          • April 16, 2017 at 10:34 pm
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            The latest terrorist count is available where, exactly?

            You can make all sorts of stupid lie claims you want, and even enlist the help of well-known liars like BOTH Clintons, Obama, RiceSusan-Hacked-the-2012-Election, and Eric Holder.
            But you won’t convince anyone that killing terrorists helps enlist more of them…

            So, again, the latest count is what? Ready, steady, … GO!

          • April 17, 2017 at 1:06 pm
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            @UW; do you believe the death tally is 36? LOLOL!

          • April 18, 2017 at 3:55 pm
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            I used the numbers provided by the government. I also directly said they I thought they were false.

            If you knew anything about the wars you cheer for you would know basically every person killed is counted as a terrorist. The numbers are complete trash, aka complete Yogi.

    • April 13, 2017 at 2:33 pm
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      100% agree with you, FFA

  • April 13, 2017 at 1:51 pm
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    What is he now, a mafia thug? Changing his name to Don Corleone?

    • April 13, 2017 at 6:15 pm
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      No. He’s an effective negotiator, not a coward and failure like the prior POTUS.

      • April 14, 2017 at 10:12 am
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        How’s that art of the deal going now? Muslim ban – fail. Repeal and replace day one – fail. China a currency manipulator – fail. Mexico pay for the wall – fail. The White House is running like it has its shoelaces tied together. The only thing i45 has perfected is taking vacations on taxpayer dimes and making sure he hits from the correct tee markers. He said he wasn’t going to have time for vacations or golf. You’ve been grifted, Yogi. The art of the steal. All he does is sign executive orders because he can’t get anything passed. North Korea isn’t the only country who has a funky-haired, fat dictator.

        • April 14, 2017 at 4:09 pm
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          More jobs – Success
          Improving economy – Success
          RESPECT from other countries – SUCCESS!!

          Obama’s “leading from behind” actually means “have underlings implement my ideas and take the bullet when it blows up”.

          Where were you when Obama was golfing all the time and taking vacations in Hawaii? And, having Michelle take a separate plane to destinations and wasting taxpayer dollars?

          Planet – your “hypocrite” is showing.

          • April 14, 2017 at 5:05 pm
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            Wtf are you talking about? The jobs report was terrible. It was about 50% Obama’s last month (216/98k).

            Just a thoughtless mouthpiece for Breitbart,embarrassing .

            A lot of respect from other countries, who openly rip us and the president. Syria starts using even worse chemical weapons now.

          • April 17, 2017 at 12:25 pm
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            One jobs report does not a failure make. Look at other months and future months. Cherry picking the jobs data makes you a libitteral frustrated with perennial losing.

          • April 18, 2017 at 3:59 pm
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            There have been 2 jobs reports with data from Trump. 1 was a disaster. You said “More jobs… SUCCESS!” You were claiming success based on 1 jobs report but say it doesn’t count when it is the other way and doesn’t support your story, reality be dammed. You are a joke. This is why nobody takes you seriously, and why you are only good for mocking. Too dumb to be real.

        • April 14, 2017 at 6:48 pm
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          I’m not expected every promise to be kept within 85 days.

          After all, Obama FAILED at nearly all of his goals / promises over 8 years. EIGHT YEARS and about a 90% failure rate.

    • April 17, 2017 at 3:02 pm
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      Polar, does fingers or toes count as a body after MOAB was set off? The last report I saw was in the 90’s and that doesn’t count anything in the rubble. I hope it was in the several hundreds with many of the ringleaders.

  • April 13, 2017 at 2:38 pm
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    The Democrats own Obamacare. It’s a total screw up. Ten years of funding for 8 years of coverage. Terrible assumptions about the take up rate. Lies to sell it to all of us. As Jonathan Gruber stated it relied on the stupidity of the American voter to get passed. It will blow up on it’s own accord. Politically, Trump should let it sink under it’s own weight, but unlike his predecessor, he actually cares about this country and the people in it. The Democrats should embrace anything that makes it better (not perfect) or take the heat for it blowing up. All Trump wants to do is hasten the blowing up so it can be fixed sooner. But then again, the Democrats don’t care about the country or the people in it, they care about politics and retaining power.

    • April 13, 2017 at 2:46 pm
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      Do they really bear all the blame at this point though? Even a large majority of Congressional Republicans don’t want to ditch it as evidenced by their inability to get their party to agree.

      It is more good old fashioned bipartisan Congressional ineptitude than Democratic ineptitude.

      • April 13, 2017 at 6:02 pm
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        Yes, Dems own ACA. Losing the ELECTIONS over the past 10 years doesn’t absolve them of responsibility. Troll!

      • April 14, 2017 at 4:17 pm
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        The majority of the Congressional Republicans today are closer to the democratic party of the 60’s than they are republicans.

        The few, brave republicans that opposed the replacement piece of crap deserve a standing ovation by every citizen in this country for not settling on Obamacare lite.

        Any Congress person that agrees simply because that is what their “party” thinks is a blind sheep. We’ve witnessed that for the past 8 years with Obama’s tenure. If Republicans are arguing among themselves, it’s because they actually care about the people of this country.

        It’s a shame that the liberal’s can’t figure this out on their own, even when they see that they are being lied to by the democrats.

    • April 13, 2017 at 3:52 pm
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      Come on Dave, the totality of this problem wasn’t created in 8 years. Agree that Obamacare did not work but the health system has had problems for a very long time – increasing costs, billing nightmares that the patient has zero control over, and exclusions for pre-existing conditions just to name a few. As an American here is what I want: I want to see the version of the healthcare plan that President Trump promoted during the campaign. The one that is “a lot less expensive”, “something terrific”, and that is for “everybody”. If he could rollout this plan in Phase 1 then any politician would be an idiot not to support it.

      • April 13, 2017 at 4:28 pm
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        This is actually what i45 promised:

        ““I’m getting to it, don’t worry,” the media mogul said. “On the first day of presidency, on my very first day I plan to repeal Obamacare so hard that it’ll make his ancestors in Africa shiver with awe. I mean, I am going to take that piece of legislation and wipe my a** with it. That’s how much I dislike Obamacare and what I think about it. By the way, that’s also how I feel about Ted Cruz, but that’s not the point right now,” Trump said jokingly, causing Stephanopoulos to laugh.
        “Seriously though,” the billionaire businessman continued, “that’s what I plan on doing. And then first thing in the morning on day two, I’m going to replace it with a much better service that’s genuinely going to take care of every poor person in the United States. I’m talking daily food rations, clean clothes, a place to spend the night, possibly new jobs, it’s all going to be awesome, it’s going to be utopia. I’m going to make it so good that people are going to want to become homeless just to qualify for Trumpcare. And by the way, that’s what I’m going to call it. A huge, flashy neon sign is going to be placed above the entrance to every Trumpcare facility across the country. I want people to know who made it possible for them to have a better life.”

        • April 14, 2017 at 8:52 am
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          Planetoid lost his gravity boots again…. he’s spinning and spinning, to no avail.

          The use of hyperbole is understood by most people. But it’s now criticized by Libitterals whose candidate lost to TrumPresident – who used it to describe his plans to MAGA.

        • April 14, 2017 at 5:10 pm
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          A lot of first day things didn’t happen. He has escalated wars in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, and Yemen. But we aren’t allowed to know how many troops are deployed.

          Impeachment won’t be enough, he gas to go to jail, with his entire staff, his guilty kids, Kushner and others. I hear that degenerate Giuliani might be in big trouble soon.

          • April 14, 2017 at 6:49 pm
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            No one except Libitterals cares about “First Day Promises”.

            The penalty for the mandate was eliminated on Day One. That’s a great start… and the best is yet to come.

          • April 18, 2017 at 4:19 pm
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            The idiots cheering for him seemed to care. You seemed to care when you cited them all the time. Of course you don’t really care, all you care about is screaming at liberals and defending conservatives.

      • April 13, 2017 at 6:03 pm
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        Dems broke it. They own it. It wasn’t perfect before ACA. But it wasn’t as badly damaged as it is now, and the intention was to do so to lead to a Single Payer System. anyone who says otherwise is a bald-faced liar.

    • April 13, 2017 at 4:33 pm
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      The Democrats did own Obamacare but once the GOP ran on a platform of replace and repeal, the GOP then owned it. Just the way life works.

      • April 14, 2017 at 8:55 am
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        Repeal is going to happen THIS YEAR… close to, or preceding tax reform legislation.

        Replacement will take a few years, as many parties will be involved in a private market solution that requires many steps.

        Meanwhile, we can all watch the ACA death spiral continue to MAS&MA = Make America Sick & Miserable Again.

        • April 14, 2017 at 11:27 am
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          Yogidamus also foretold of the ACA replacement being released as soon as (1) the election was over, then (2) before the end of 2017, then (3) as soon as Trump was sworn in and now it’s the end of 2017.

          Keep moving those goalposts buddy!

          One of these days you may actually be right!

          • April 14, 2017 at 11:27 am
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            edit: (2) before the end of 2016

          • April 14, 2017 at 6:52 pm
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            Several plans were ready for Day One. But Congress decided to meld some together and retain 90% of ACA instead of voting on the best one of those few plans that would work on a stand alone basis.

            Your criticisms are vacuous and are a waste of time to read and reply to.

          • April 14, 2017 at 7:20 pm
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            Polar,

            Your ideas and belief, just like yourself, are old and outdated. One day you will die. One day the few remaining who are like you will die. Once that day comes our country will finally be able to move forward and each man and woman will truly be free. You are old, Polar. You are old and one day you will no longer be able to type out your narrow-minded, self-serving, homophobic, racist, sexist etc. beliefs and opinions. One day, Polar, you will be free of these thoughts that torment you. One day you will realize how evil you have been and you will apologize only to yourself because there will be no one around for you to apologize to. I wish you luck with the rest of your journey. I know that no one here is going to change your mind about anything. You will never hold yourself accountable for anything. You will simply continue to be old and share old ideas and beliefs because that is all you are. May God understand the confusion in your soul and pity you.

          • April 16, 2017 at 10:39 pm
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            @CTT; reported to IJ.

          • April 17, 2017 at 1:08 pm
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            IJ is working on the snowflake problem; they’re out to buy a bigger ‘snow shovel’.

    • April 13, 2017 at 5:47 pm
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      Dave, the Democrats played all the wrong cards. They were so sure they could get Single Payer once Obamacare imploded. Not so much. We will have a new bill based on free market principles, the taxes and mandates will go and people will have a choice again instead of a government making the choice for them. Progressive Socialism is a massive failure.

      By the way, the new POTUS put the hammer down again with that MOAB bomb on ISIS. Sounds like a good strategy. Oblama had that weapon his whole two terms and was too much of a Wuss to use it and never had a strategy to defeat ISIS.

      • April 14, 2017 at 8:57 am
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        Obama’s greatest weapon was lying, which he used often on the American public.

        • April 14, 2017 at 9:59 am
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          Yet you are happy to excuse President Trump who has been proven to lie at a far greater pace.

          You either condone or condemn liars. Pick a side.

          • April 14, 2017 at 12:40 pm
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            Even when Trump literally says “I LITERALLY MEAN _____”, Yogi had argued Trump was speaking figuratively and was using hyperbole and we shouldn’t take him literally. Unless it’s just trolling, I sincerely think Yogi believes Trump has never lied at all.

          • April 17, 2017 at 12:27 pm
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            You’re confusing hyperbole mismatching reality for lies.

          • April 17, 2017 at 12:59 pm
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            Literal and hyperbole are diametrically opposed concepts. You cannot say something literally and mean it hyperbolically.

            Unless your dictionary defines those words differently than everywhere else — so, which dictionary are you using to determine the meanings of words again??

          • April 17, 2017 at 1:09 pm
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            Burp! Eating fresh fish is better than reading your idiotic posts.

          • April 17, 2017 at 3:41 pm
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            okay, so don’t read or reply to my posts if that’s how you feel. i’d be happy to talk to someone who doesn’t have a problem agreeing to word definitions as they’re used colloquially and defined in lexicons.

          • April 17, 2017 at 4:01 pm
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            Trump means BUSINESS whether you like him or not. He didn’t exactly lie to Assad or ISIS, did he? Fat Boy is next. It is great that we have a President with a spine and deals in reality, not the fantasy world of snowflake liberals.

          • April 17, 2017 at 4:21 pm
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            We weren’t talking about any of those things Agent. Are you sure you posted your reply under the correct thread?

  • April 13, 2017 at 3:52 pm
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    This is more than just letting Obamacare fail and has been in the making for years. All President Trump needs to do is drop the Federal Court appeal to a court ruling Obama illegally funded Obamacare by using the Net Worth Sweep of Government sponsored entities Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, funds that were not appropriated by Congress. Once that case is dropped the ruling stands and President Trump is legally required to let Obamacare fail, which should have happened years ago. This is not a negotiation ploy, this is rightfully exposing a prior administration’s massive corruption. Check the max stock history of Fannie Mae (FNMA) Freddie Mac (FMCC) after the bailout. These companies have been artificially kept on life support while others have mostly recovered. Interesting that AIG is exactly the same financially. Follow the Money.

    • April 13, 2017 at 6:05 pm
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      Good, succinct summary (bear paw applause)!

      The goal of ACA’s architects was a single payer system, and there are video tapes of BOTH Obama and Hillary stating such an objective. Both of them were so arrogant to assume Hillary would win the POTUS. Wrong! Fail!

  • April 13, 2017 at 4:03 pm
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    Well, why am I surprised that our President would want to withhold payment? Sounds like what he did to several small contractors who used their backs & sweat to build his golden towers and resorts. this is ridiculous, immature and irresponsible. Grow up.

    Our elected officials need to focus on the overall health of our country, our citizens deserve some basic healthcare (and yes basic healthcare includes women having babies, babies are our future)- any of us that are actually in insurance would have had to realize that finally providing some health insurance to millions of people that have not had it would result in a bounce in usage.

    We need to stop thinking about which party wants what and focus on the actual health of our country and not just its financial health. Our future generations deserve that. Our politicians need to put their personal agendas to the side and do what is best for OUR COUNTRY and OUR PEOPLE.

    Maybe instead of limiting insurance and care or letting something fail, we should focus on what is causing our communities to be so sick – like cigarettes! Why are these cancer sticks still legal? Maybe our tax and other systems need to be reformed to reward healthy lifestyles.

    • April 13, 2017 at 5:54 pm
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      Carla, Trump won, Hilliary lost. Take your Snowflake comments elsewhere. He is MAGA.

      • April 14, 2017 at 5:59 pm
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        Moron Away Golfing Again
        Mongoloids Always Gleeful Asshats

        • April 14, 2017 at 6:53 pm
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          Replies indicative of a 15 yo.

        • April 18, 2017 at 11:57 am
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          Troll!

    • April 13, 2017 at 6:08 pm
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      @Carla; please SHOW US THE US CONGRESS APPROVAL of the subject payments.

      Search “Ryan requests US Treasury answer questions on payments made to health insurers without Congress’ approval; February 2015.”

      Anyone who claims the payments were authorized by Congress is a bald-faced liar.

    • April 13, 2017 at 6:13 pm
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      @Carla; I forgot to answer your first question in my reply above. The reason you aren’t surprised is because you’re ignorant of the facts, most likely because you read liberal websites that feed you fake news.

  • April 13, 2017 at 6:11 pm
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    There are QUITE A FEW IGNORANT posters here criticizing TrumPresident without knowing the payments require, but did not receive, Congressional approval.

    Paul Ryan sent a letter to the US Treasury, circa February 2015, seeking an answer as to why it sent payments of $3.2B to health insurers WITHOUT Congressional approval. The US Treasury never replied to Ryan. They are now in deep doo-doo with the Republican Congress and TrumPresident, and Obama can’t defend them any longer.

    • April 14, 2017 at 8:58 am
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      Two down votes thus far, but NOTHING to rebut my statement. That says it all!

      • April 14, 2017 at 10:04 am
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        I am starting to think you are President Trump. All you care about is placing blame, criticizing others, and how many people down vote your ridiculous posts.

        Just another thin-skinned, ignorant, narcissistic bully.

        • April 14, 2017 at 12:17 pm
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          Oh No!!! A “Dislike” without a rebuttal. Whatever will I do????

          Help me to cope PolarBeaRepeal, since you are the ONLY one to whom this ever happens.

          • April 14, 2017 at 12:41 pm
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            Don’t worry Ron. If your post gets hidden, I’m SURE Yogi will re-post it for you saying “RE-POSTED to frustrate Conservatives trying to censor Liberal opinions:”
            (end sarcasm)

          • April 14, 2017 at 1:55 pm
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            Complaining about a dislike without a rebuttal sounds an awful lot like a snowflake comment, don’t you think, Ron?

          • April 14, 2017 at 6:54 pm
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            tweet! tweet!

          • April 16, 2017 at 10:44 pm
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            Gorsuch this year, and a Conservative replacement for Ginsberg in a year or two will make the SCOTUS 6-3, likely for at least another generation. Without ILLEGAL ALIEN voters in the US, and liberals having an empty bench, the US will shift toward conservatism for at least a few generations, if not longer. Liberals will flee to Europe.

            Ahhh…. Nirvana!

          • April 17, 2017 at 3:28 pm
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            @Ron; here’s how YOU can cope; never return to these comment boards. TIA.

          • April 17, 2017 at 3:30 pm
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            @Ron; another way to cope; point out every down vote used as a way to censor opinions someone doesn’t like AND CAN’T REFUTE. That will add credence to your valid, supported claims and logical constructions… if you have any.

          • April 17, 2017 at 3:35 pm
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            Why don’t you take your own advice?

        • April 17, 2017 at 3:27 pm
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          If my pointing out idiocy is necessary to prevent lies to the naive public, so be it.

  • April 13, 2017 at 6:19 pm
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    Payments rightfully denied! Boom!

  • April 17, 2017 at 11:22 am
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    Polar, perhaps the Libs will give Venezuela a try. I hear the living conditions are great down there if you like Rice and Beans.

    • April 17, 2017 at 12:36 pm
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      I think not. Venezuela won’t let them in; they have immigration standards, you know! The US has immigration standards / laws, too! We just haven’t enforced them over the last 8 – 20 years, but are beginning to do so now, with great results thus far, and much better results expected in the future.

      As far as where the Libitterals will migrate, I think they’ll head for NY City or CA and turn that city and state into Venezuelas of the North American continent. Adios, gringos!

      • April 17, 2017 at 12:59 pm
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        I kind of like those 60% reductions in border crossings and we don’t even have the wall built yet. Should go down to 90% when we get that wall up and we can keep sending the thugs back and then keep them from coming back. MAGA.

        • April 17, 2017 at 3:35 pm
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          It was like a merry-go-round ride when Socialist POTUS Obama was in office. Here forward, it’ll be a one-way ticket, with no first class accommodations.

          TrumPresident needs to do the same with members of Obama’s Shadow Government still in their jobs in DC. Drain the DC Shadow Govt Swamp!

          • April 17, 2017 at 4:05 pm
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            A good start will be making “Fried Rice” for all her deeds. Wonder if she will be taking the fall under the bus for her higher ups.

          • April 18, 2017 at 12:00 pm
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            No one really needs to fall on a sword for their leader, Obama.

            But the Dem party will suffer the consequences for many decades when Republicans point out the failures of the Dems and the Shadow Govt actions that they took in 2016-17.

            More important, SCOTUS will turn to a 6-3 Conservative majority in a few years. That will be a result of US citizens seeing the dangers of Socialism, Terrorism, and Communism, and rejecting all 3 of those ideas when they go to their polling places each November henceforth.

          • April 18, 2017 at 12:13 pm
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            Why aren’t you willing to admit when Trump makes mistakes? Please answer without mentioning anything Democrat related.

          • April 18, 2017 at 3:22 pm
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            As Yogi is wont to say, Failure to respond to C-t-T’s question means you LOSE the debate.

  • April 18, 2017 at 12:14 pm
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    Also,

    I am sure you listen to InfoWars. How about Alex Jones’ lawyer stating during trial he is a “performance artist”?



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