Trump Reverses Obama Stand, Supports Employers Requiring Class Action Waivers

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  • June 19, 2017 at 1:24 am
    Doug Fisher says:
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    The difference between democrats and Republicans distilled to its purest form:

    Democratic appointed DoJ represents employees, Republican DoJ switches sides to represent the interests of employers.

    • June 19, 2017 at 6:35 am
      PolarBeaRepeal says:
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      Nope. That’s not correct. Polar divisiveness is preached to divide US citizens into political groups that Democrats hope to coerce to support them for various reasons. In this case, Democrats would suggest they support employees and want to punish employers. But, who creates jobs? Republicans help both employees and employers by creating situations favorable for businesses to open or expand, and thus create more jobs for uemployed workers.

      Republicans both employees and employers by finding ways for businesses to compete in a global market, so as to create jobs for US workers. Democrats support ILLEGAL ALIEN TRESPASSERS coming into the US for jobs, FOR THEIR VOTES, and not for the good of the US workforce who pay taxes.

      I could go on, but I’ve demonstrated the fallacy of the divisive politics simplistic summary above.

      I am glad to edify all who have been brainwashed by their liberal socialist teachers and professors into thinking divisiveness is good.

      • June 19, 2017 at 9:05 am
        ExciteBiker says:
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        I also oppose illegal Martian aliens taking away good AMERICAN jobs with their Martian diseases and DEMOCRAT VOTES.

        Our jobs need to be competitive in the global sector! Bangladesh has an average hourly wage of $0.24 per hour for a $1,466 annual gross income. The GOP PATRIOTS will help our JOB CREATORS create these kinds of high quality jobs for AMERICAN-BORN AMERICANS who love TRUMP!! Win!

      • June 19, 2017 at 11:50 am
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        You forget that Democrats also believe that they are helping both employers and employees (employers helped by way of employees rather than vice versa). People just don’t do things to be malicious.

        Also, let’s appreciate the irony of a post that is extremely anti-divisiveness trying to be being extremely divisive.

        • June 19, 2017 at 1:15 pm
          Doug Fisher says:
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          Co-signed on this train of thought.

          Democrats don’t want to kill jobs, nor make regulations that make it unreasonably difficult to run a profitable business while hiring/employing more workers. The notion makes me scratch my head.

          Hell, look at the job increases by presidency over the last 50 years. Jobs created during presidential terms are more than double under Democratic presidencies than Republicans, but somehow Democrats are huge job killers, and regulations which protect employees somehow kill businesses and hiring entirely…

        • June 19, 2017 at 1:33 pm
          PolarBeaRepeal says:
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          You’re correct; I immediately recognized divisiveness in the OP and commented on it. No need for you to muddy the waters.

        • June 20, 2017 at 6:23 am
          PolarBeaRepeal says:
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          Democrats want to punish employers for making profits for risk taking. In turn, they use unions to sucker in employees to support them, use collective bargaining or legislate for higher wages, then abandon them until their next re-election campaign.

          Republicans let the employers and employees interact naturally. By creating environments helpful for business expansion, they help both the employers and employees. In turn, they ask for nothing from the employees because what Democrats do is called ‘bribery’.

          • June 20, 2017 at 10:13 am
            Doug Fisher says:
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            OK, I am going to stop responding to you now. It is obvious you don’t research your positions and instead revert to whatever the far right-wing position you heard on the radio, without regards to fact or tact.

            I was a hardcore Republican until I opened my eyes and found out I was being led astray by misinformation and obfuscation of facts. I still consider myself conservative where it counts, but when the party is full of people like you, it couldn’t possibly represent me, as well. The tent isn’t big enough to hold scientific reasoning, progress, and growth when it has to juggle proponents of racism, xenophobia, quackery, and anti-progress.

            If anyone wants to seriously debate the merits of different ideologies with sources, I am always up for that. If you are just going to vomit words on your keyboard that you heard on Hannity without regard for how true they are, then good luck.

          • June 21, 2017 at 4:39 pm
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            i’l bet ‘dollars to donuts’ that agent’s post will be kept but one saying gallows humor is not an on-topic or appropriate post will get deleted.

      • June 19, 2017 at 2:08 pm
        Realist says:
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        WOW, I thought you were saying some terrible thing with your vote score…..but no nothing but facts. It’s a wonder how so many people vote negative , you’d think they would want to be for the parent company….but no, they want “theirs” and anything in the way is bad, Corporations are bad.
        BTW- I could not vote, it wouldn’t register…..I will try again.
        Someone please tell me what is false in PolarBear’s narrative, please. Thank you.

        • June 19, 2017 at 2:45 pm
          Doug Fisher says:
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          “Democrats support ILLEGAL ALIEN TRESPASSERS coming into the US for jobs, FOR THEIR VOTES”

          sure, nothing but facts…

          • June 19, 2017 at 6:10 pm
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            He thinks millions of illegal immigrants voted illegally, climate change is fake, and Obama was born in Kenya. Aside from marveling or being disgusted at how uninformed and racist people are, there is no reason to seriously look at his rants. It’s also interesting to see the

          • June 19, 2017 at 7:38 pm
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            Republicans generally do not support Illegal Immigration with the exception of some employers.

            Democrat POLITICIANS generally support Illegal Immigration, with the exception of some in ‘purple’ states.

            Adding these qualifiers to support my general conclusions is becoming tedious and an unproductive use of time.

          • June 19, 2017 at 7:39 pm
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            Nope. I don’t think MILLIONS of Illegal Immigrants voted.

            The voter suppression in some strongly red or strongly blue states yields distorted popular vote totals. Thus, Libitterals challenge of the Electoral College system, EVERY time they lose an election.

      • June 19, 2017 at 2:26 pm
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        Hi Polar, I see you still have your follower deniers of the truth that change monikers so they can down vote you.

        By the way, saw an funny and interesting bumper sticker last weekend. It simply said – EXTREMELY DEPLORABLE!

        • June 19, 2017 at 2:48 pm
          Doug Fisher says:
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          The idea that someone would take time out of their day to register different names on here (which is probably impossible, since I presume they track votes and posts by ip address, not usernames, since no one has to login to post here, after all, it was you who got on someone else for using the “agent” moniker a week ago…) and vote on things they like and/or dislike is laughable.

          Nobody cares enough to do that. If you haven’t been convinced by statistics, scientific reporting, and even anecdotal evidence that your positions are full of holes, then there is nothing anyone here can do for you, especially by being a big meanie and voting against your posts. Wahhhhh!

        • June 20, 2017 at 6:26 am
          PolarBeaRepeal says:
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          ‘ …take time out of their day to register different names…’

          3 seconds is too much time for you to type a different moniker into the name box?

      • June 19, 2017 at 4:22 pm
        RiceSusan Hacked the 2012 Election says:
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        I also oppose ILLEGAL ALIEN Martians taking US jobs… if that ever happened.

    • June 19, 2017 at 6:42 am
      PolarBeaRepeal says:
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      So, Doug; please explain why you think the subject waivers signed by employees are illegal? Employees have the option to sign or not sign the waiver. Have you EVER signed a waiver? IF so, why didn’t you refuse?

      Your summary judgement of this issue shows you know nothing about the legality of waivers, and demonstrates your lock-step mentality in following Obama’s tyrannic rulings.

      (correction to above post; 2nd paragraph should read ‘Republicans support both…’. Bear culpa)

      • June 19, 2017 at 11:54 am
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        I think the issue isn’t with the content of the waiver itself but rather that few have the right to choose not to sign it. In an ideal world people could refuse to sign this kind of a waiver and look for another job that didn’t require it. Unfortunately, this is difficult because many people can’t afford to go without work to make an ideological/legal stand and because even if they do, the next job they get will also require one.

        It is the illusion of choice without a choice ever being provided, like how cable and utility companies pretend to be competitive.

      • June 19, 2017 at 1:34 pm
        PolarBeaRepeal says:
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        Gee… what if EVERYONE refused to sign it? What would the monopolistic employer have to do then?

        Supply. Demand. Simple explanations are often overlooked.

        • June 19, 2017 at 1:42 pm
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          That would require all workers to have a unified voice, which Republicans have been attempting to eliminate with their anti-union agenda.

          All you need are a few willing to sign just to feed their families.

          • June 19, 2017 at 4:31 pm
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            Not that I speak for all conservatives, but I believe most are anti-public union; at least that’s where I sit on the topic. I am fine with private unions because there is still choice; the same cannot be said with public unions.

          • June 20, 2017 at 8:06 am
            Ron says:
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            James,

            Then that would make you one of the few. Of everything I have read and heard from Conservatives that I know, most are against all unions.

            If you know of a Conservative politician who is not against all unions, please let me know.

          • June 20, 2017 at 8:54 am
            RiceSusan Hacked the 2012 Election says:
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            Ron: you’re generalizing. Unions that don’t try to / actually do control how members donate to parties or vote are OK by most people because they DO NOT step outside the definition of a union. The unions which are politically active violate the trust given to them when they were formed … to protect union members – not promote democrats.

            Name one public union that supports Republicans / Conservatives… ready, steady, … GO!

          • June 20, 2017 at 9:15 am
            Ron says:
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            Way to miss my point…again.

            Please stop trolling.

          • June 20, 2017 at 10:55 am
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            Ron; if a FEW sign to feed their families and a few dozen are needed to run the business, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE BUSINESS? A unified stance won’t happen if a few turn, but the size of companies involving unions are NOT smaller than a dozen employees.

            Get over yourself. ‘Trolling’ is arguing moot points and trivial details.

        • June 19, 2017 at 4:24 pm
          RiceSusan Hacked the 2012 Election says:
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          Nope. A ‘unified voice’ isn’t required if the employer couldn’t get anyone to sign a waiver. That’s not a ‘unified voice’, that’s rejection of contract terms. The employer is then forced to revise the terms or face going OOB.

        • June 21, 2017 at 3:14 pm
          Agent says:
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          Polar, apparently elections have consequences and our new justice seems to be having an impact. The court seems to be siding with business now instead of being anti business. It has been 8 years running on the agenda and that agenda is appearing to be toast.

          Let’s keep on creating jobs, lowering taxes for everyone and repealing that sorry Healthcare law. Iowa is down to one exchange/carrier now who will be raising rates 43%.

  • June 19, 2017 at 2:42 pm
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    I have heard about employers requiring their workers to sign not only class action waiver but also an agreement to binding arbitration in any employment dispute. Signing these lengthy pieces of legalese was voluntary. However–and I think this is a really big HOWEVER– any employee refusing to sign the documents would not be eligible for any bonus awards or merit-based salary increases. Of course, the unspoken cudgel is also that any employee refusing to sign would also wind up included on a very undesirable list visible at a very high level.

    This kind of thing creates an uncomfortable situation for the employee, in my personal opinion. A quality employee working in good faith with no intention or desire to file any kind of dispute or litigation is essentially forced to sign away legal rights which, although very unlikely, could possibly be needed some day for some unforeseen reason.

    Given the punitive back-end measures– or perhaps “forfeited incentives” would be more accurate– the voluntary nature of the agreement is suspect.

    Of course, the striking of a fair balance between worker rights and a legal & regulatory environment conducive to job creation and economic growth should be the goal of all, regardless of political opinions. I have always been of the opinion that the best societal result comes when capital and labor must compromise and have balance. Various problems arise whenever one side is favored too strongly over the other.

    • June 19, 2017 at 3:43 pm
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      “I have always been of the opinion that the best societal result comes when capital and labor must compromise and have balance. Various problems arise whenever one side is favored too strongly over the other.”

      I agree 100%. Unfortunately some on both sides believe that the other believes it is all or nothing. Dems accuse Reps of endorsing exploitation of workforce, while Reps accuse Dems of creating red tape so thick it puts honest companies out of business…

      • June 19, 2017 at 4:19 pm
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        So Doug, why do you think the Labor Unions have historically been with the Democrats? Labor Unions have outlived their usefulness many, many years ago and only add to the cost of whatever product is being made? That is why the big automakers had to be bailed out by Oblama. They couldn’t compete with the Toyotas of the world making cars in Tennessee with no union involvement. Right to work states are much more successful than the heavy unionized states.

        • June 19, 2017 at 5:06 pm
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          Define “much more successful than the heavy unionized states.”

          More average income to workers?
          More income in same industry?
          Less Unemployment?
          Higher GDP?
          Safer workplaces?
          Cheaper cost of living?

          “more successful” is such a nebulous term and one that allows for a high level of disingenuity.

          Also: don’t be daft, GWB authorized the auto bailouts, not the Obama Boogeyman that creeps in your closet.

          • June 19, 2017 at 7:40 pm
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            All of the above, simultaneously, weighted in a manner that yields the highest GDP growth rates by state.

          • June 20, 2017 at 1:26 am
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            “All of the above, simultaneously, weighted in a manner that yields the highest GDP growth rates by state.”

            OK:

            1. More average income to workers?: 9 of top 10 states by average income are union states. Virginia being the only exception. 9 of the 10 bottom earning states are “right-to-work” states, with New Mexico being the lone exception.

            2.More income in same industry? Take auto workers, for example. In 2008, UAW workers earned on average $29/hr without profit sharing. In the same year, it was reported that Toyota was paying between $6,000 and $8,000 in profit sharing bonuses to its auto workers, which ended up averaging them out at $30/hr. Without these bonuses, the UAW workers would have earned more. This last year, for example, Ford and GM both gave bonuses in the $9,000 range on top of their already higher average wages, far exceeding what non-union auto workers were making working for Toyota, Nissan, etc.

            3. Less Unemployment: 6 of the top 10 states in the country with the lowest unemployment are right-to-work states. Of the top 25, 14 are Right to work, 11 are Union. 7 of the top 10 highest unemployment states are right-to work. There is no correlation between being right to work or union and having lower unemployment rates.

            4. Higher GDP?: 6 of the top 10 states for GDP are Union States. Going by Per Capita, 8 of the top 10 states are Union States. 18 of the top 25 states per capita are Union states. 8 of lowest 10 states per capita are right-to-work states. This is an obvious win for union states, but there sure as hell isn’t any correlation here, in my opinion.

            5. Safer workplaces: The rate of workplace deaths are higher in right-to-work states.

            6. Cheaper Cost of Living? 10 lowest state for Cost of living were right to work states. 10 highest were all union states. Note that in all of these instances, the lowest cost of living correlated with being near the bottom for income earning, while those in the most expensive states to live also earned a lot more on average than those at the bottom.

            Mississippi had the lowest cost of living, but also the lowest average income. Maryland had the highest average income, and the seventh highest cost of living. But, they had a 44% higher cost of living than residents in MS, but had about 95% higher income on average.

            Show me where any of this data correlates with a right to work state automatically being “more successful” than a union state? It would appear to me to be the opposite. Maybe not “automatically,” but by and large, union states seem to have better standards of living, wages, health care coverage offered by employers, safer workplaces, retirement benefits, etc.

            Prove me wrong, bet ya can’t, and bet you will continue to argue falsely in the contrary. I can provide citations and statistics for my factual statements, but rest assured that they are things like the Bureau of Labor Statistics, The US Census, THE COUNCIL FOR COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC RESEARCH, and various other non-political sources.

            Quit ignorantly arguing the right-wing talking points and go out there and actually do some research for once before spouting off.

          • June 20, 2017 at 6:31 am
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            1. Avg income doesn’t mean anything except the employer’s products and services will be less competitively priced than a neighboring state.

            more replies later…

          • June 20, 2017 at 6:33 am
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            2. more bonus income = employer is less price competitive due to higher costs of goods sold (autos).

            Why did you choose AUTO manufacturing instead of the ENTIRE MARKET?

            more later…

          • June 20, 2017 at 6:35 am
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            3. UnE = union laws restrict termination of union employees, leading to more bad workers kept on, producing inferior goods and services, and costing employers more, resulting in less competitive prices versus neighboring states. foreign nations.

            more later….

          • June 20, 2017 at 6:38 am
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            4. Higher GDP = larger states; e.g. CA, NY. That is irrelevant to a discussion of QUALITY… which is better measured by GDP per capita. FAIL!

            I’m tiring of edifying you regarding proper measures of state employment efficiency…. you obviously are taking talking points from Huff POSt, CNN, union website, which lack clarity and credibility in their discussions of the issue.

            BTW; more states are changing to RTW states… I’m just sayin’.

          • June 20, 2017 at 6:40 am
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            5. post the stats and WE WILL ALL SEE the insignificant differences in fatal claim rates by state; e.g. .0022 vs .0024. Pffft!

          • June 20, 2017 at 6:42 am
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            6. I can’t stop laughing at how you ‘stepped in it’ with this argument. Lower cost of living states are less desirable places to work / live? LMAO!

    • June 19, 2017 at 4:26 pm
      RiceSusan Hacked the 2012 Election says:
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      I have heard of such things. The uncomfortable situation is avoided by working elsewhere. Unions cannot control employers, but should negotiate fairly for mutual benefit.

      • June 19, 2017 at 4:41 pm
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        Wonder why the workers at the new Boeing plant in South Carolina chose not to unionize. Hmm, strange decision, right?

        • June 19, 2017 at 7:41 pm
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          Could it be that they’re treated fairly by their employer? Ask any Liberal and the answer you’ll get 100% of the time is ‘no’.

          • June 19, 2017 at 8:24 pm
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            This is a stupid comment. Read what you just wrote.

            You are telling me no liberal would ever consider their job treatment to be fair?

          • June 20, 2017 at 6:43 am
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            Oh, I’ll bet a handful might think so. I don’t have an actual count, but it’s likely less than all the digits on my four paws.

        • June 20, 2017 at 1:43 am
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          Could it be that they would be afraid for their jobs if they pushed for unionization? Could they be afraid of intimidation from corporate interests who moved the plant there because they assumed it wouldn’t go union? Could it be that the area is heavily republican and that Republican voters have been lied to by their representatives for decades about unions to the point where they are unable to see all of the good that having union representation can do for an average worker?

          Nah, it must be they knew that they would be treated fairly by their employer.

          Oh wait, I forgot that Boeing decided to freeze pensions for all non-union workers and keep them in place for all union workers…and then the next year (2016), they announced they only made $5 billion in PROFIT. Aww shucks!

          But yeah, you’re right, those non-union SC Boeing workers making less money, getting no pension, and having FAR LESS job security are TOTALLY getting a better deal than their Seattle-based Union counterparts. LOL. Go ahead and click that thumbs-down, though, and keep being ignorant.

          • June 20, 2017 at 8:57 am
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            I’m sad that Boeing only made a $5B profit. Much less than Amazon, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, …

            Freezing pensions of non-union workers and negotiating pensions of union workers will eventually lead to one thing at Boeing. Can you guess what will happen, eventually?

          • June 20, 2017 at 8:58 am
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            Psst; job security isn’t a right. Nor is health care or immortality or freedom to do as you like without working, etc.

    • June 19, 2017 at 6:18 pm
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      That’s all true, but it’s more than that, they won’t hire them if they won’t sign, and in fact many make them sign during the application process and won’t consider them if they don’t agree,so they can force arbitration if they act, or are accused of acting improperly during the hiring process. Yet another case of conservatives shredding Constitutional protections in favor of the powerful.

      • June 19, 2017 at 7:42 pm
        PolarBeaRepeal says:
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        What Constitutional protection would that be?

      • June 20, 2017 at 9:00 am
        RiceSusan Hacked the 2012 Election says:
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        PS ‘the powerful’ have protections, not under the US Constitution, per se, but from being, well, ‘powerful’.

      • June 20, 2017 at 9:06 am
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        The Constitutional right to seek grievances in a court. You don’t grasp what I wrote as proven in your comment about the powerful.

        • June 23, 2017 at 3:04 pm
          VladiBear The Georgian says:
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          I didn’t get a big piece of bubble gum in my package of baseball cards. Am I covered by the US Constitution as an aggrieved party?

  • June 19, 2017 at 4:48 pm
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    It should be very clear that President Trump did this to protect his own personal business interests. Clearly, he is more focused on what benefits him and not on what benefits the American worker.

    • June 20, 2017 at 9:18 am
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      Yes, he’s always been a big proponent of using his money to sue people with less money and power than him, even when he is wrong and just trying to abuse them and silence them, but has been against allowing the giant groups of people he has defrauded to form class action suits against him.

    • June 20, 2017 at 1:50 pm
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      Too funny !! Yes sir, Trump is slipping one past everybody…..everybody but Bob Burke that is !!

  • June 20, 2017 at 9:14 am
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    Trump has already been exposed for at least 3 things that would have lead to impeachment with anything other than the immoral crop of current Republicans. You guys not only don’t care about the Constitution, you are against it.

    Trump is still trying to remove Russian sanctions, even after the leaked NSA report showing they hacked about 80% of our election infrastructure. Needless to say, Trump not only didn’t get tough with them, he tried to reward them, and Still hasn’t made a statement against them or showing he acknowledges they did it.

    You have to be willfully ignorant to think there is nothing going on there. The right will never accept it, just like they don’t accept Obama as an American. Trash Birthers, like Yogi, decide based on their preferences, not reality. Many here deny video evidence refuting their claims. No evidence will be enough.

    • June 20, 2017 at 10:26 am
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      Yeah, I am throwing in the towel and will stop banging my head on a wall to prove, with actual sources and statistics, why their positions are inherently wrong, and their assumptions false. They don’t care to change them or improve them, just to parrot whatever false narrative they have been pushed by right-wing noise boxes.

      • June 20, 2017 at 11:52 am
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        Doug – I’d like to commend you for your non-emotional, logical, fact-based on-topic replies to various items raised in this thread.

        Although a few posters here will probably get on my case about this reply — names withheld unless/until it happens so I don’t drag people into conversations they’re not participating in, as I’ve asked others to show me that same courtesy — I apprecaite reading well thought out and nuanced arguments regardless of which side of the aisle they come from.

        There’s a lot of nonsense posted here (to be fair, from both “sides”) and I’ve felt for a while we need less insults, attacks, trolling, hyperbole and hypocritical statements, and more adult conversation.

        While I don’t agree with everything you wrote, I do appreciate your approach in communicating your stance. I very much look forward to having a rational and mature debate with you in the future.

        • June 20, 2017 at 12:52 pm
          Doug Fisher says:
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          I appreciate that. I definitely don’t seek to be agreed with, even, since everyone is free to interpret how they want society to run and what government’s role in its citizen’s lives should be.

          I only seek to have a reasonable back and forth discussion with the same level of dedication on both sides.

          It is frustrating to source indisputable data, for example, only for the retort to be a hand-wave or a constantly moving goal post. If you enjoy and are getting anything out of what I post, I am happy to continue, as it helps me learn more nuanced positions and fine-tune my own thoughts on subjects.

          I start every refutation that I make by doing a clean research. I don’t assume that what I believe is automatically true unless I have done a lot of comparison research. Otherwise, i seek to learn what someone believes and why and to discover if it is based in reason or due to malevolent influence.

          Thanks for the comment.

        • June 23, 2017 at 2:54 pm
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          Rosenblatt, before you heap too much praise on Doug, you should review all his posts. He reminds me a lot of Conserving the Truth, starting out mild and getting angrier with each post.

          Need I remind you once again that the Progressive Democrats of the last 8 years created the mess we have in this country? I know you must live in the liberal N/E, but enough is enough.

          • June 23, 2017 at 3:03 pm
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            Blaming President Obama?

            Now you know how ridiculous you guys sounded when others pointed out the mess left by President GW Bush.

      • June 20, 2017 at 1:51 pm
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        What about throwing around some more Mother Jones? That will almost always cinch a victory when debating.

        • June 20, 2017 at 3:02 pm
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          Is there something inherently wrong with data used in a Mother Jones article?

          I mentioned before, but obviously you don’t care to adjust your perception, but Mother Jones is effectively the Weekly Standard for the left. Both are clear in where there positions are, but they use valid sources to back up their claims and reports. The same cannot be said for garbage rags like Breitbart, Fox News, Stormfront (some people on here’s favorite site, I am sure), etc.

          You make fun of Mother Jones, because you have never been there, but you have heard talking heads on Fox News talk about how hippie ultra-liberal it is, run by communists, etc. In reality, it is informative and well-backed by science and logic.

          The conclusions they come to you can disagree with, like I have said before, people have different ideologies about what the government should do for its citizens, but that doesn’t make them laughable or untrustworthy at all.

          Once again, if you missed it before:

          ht tps://mediabiasfactcheck.com/mother-jones/

          “We cannot find any evidence of Mother Jones making false claims and when in error they correct appropriately. This is a factual source that is always well sourced.”

          ht tps://mediabiasfactcheck.com/weekly-standard/

          “The Weekly Standard is an American neoconservative opinion magazine…reports news stories with strong sourcing.”

          Keep disputing fact with smugness, though.

          • June 20, 2017 at 3:26 pm
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            Doug, they think almost 100% of climate scientists are colluding together to enrich themselves, there are no sources that aren’t supportive of their predetermined views they will accept as credible.

          • June 20, 2017 at 4:11 pm
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            LOL, typical.

            Will he adapt? Will he adjust? Tune in next time!

          • June 21, 2017 at 2:29 pm
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            Umm……..who is ‘they’? Can I also gang up on ‘them’ ?
            Doug, I’m just busting your a$$ a little bit, that’s all. Breitbart – never been there. Stormfront – never heard of it.
            Climate change – no question from me. The planet is warming (or sure appears to be doing that), but man’s involvement or degree of responsibility would be just about impossible to prove. The planet has been warming and cooling for a long time…..months,….maybe years even ! Seriously, the ‘sky is falling’ crowd looks and sounds just as stupid as the ‘climate change deniers’ that they so detest. 150 years of observed change, 100 years of recorded data and 40 years of modern day measurements and recordings of weather patterns is a tiny fraction of what you would need to accurately and adequately measure what has happened and predict what is going to happen. So that leaves us with opinion and conjecture.
            A single volcanic eruption belches hundreds times more ‘bad things’ into the atmosphere than man could ever hope to do. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be concerned and it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to emit less, but it does mean that the foregone conclusion that man is responsible for climate change is a pretty irresponsible conclusion. And before UW and other snowflakes get their collective panties in a wad about Trump’s decision to pull the US from the Paris accord, understand this: the world’s biggest polluters are doing very little to help out. China, Russia, Brazil to name a few have a long way to go before any real progress will be made. Want a reason to feel unsettled? You should see what major US cities haul out to the ocean to dump on a daily basis. You should see what Mexico, Russia, China…..pour into the ocean and waterways that flow to it. Now that is man made and it is disaster well on it’s way.

            Doug, from your postings, you seem to be a well educated and reasonable person…..(I’ve been wrong before)…jking. Frequently I am on this website just stirring the pot a little. Take care,

          • June 21, 2017 at 6:12 pm
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            Get lost your insults about snowflakes, Jax. The snowflakes seem to be the right wingers who complained and started getting posts deleted. Climate change, as believed by almost 100% of climate scientists, is not just magically a “foregone conclusion,” it is the result of decades of scientific research in every major country, resulting in such a preponderance of evidence over 95% of published papers on the topic and almost 100% of climate scientists agree. Conservatives who buried their head in the sand for decades act like the evidence just appeared.

            But you admit you have already determined your views based on your predetermined beliefs and preferences, and no science will convince you, because even though you have no clue about the studies, methods, technology, or anything else behind the science, you don’t believe it can be measured. You are wrong, just like the people who said math cannot determine the Earth orbits the sun were wrong. Big surprise you share their idiotic political orientation.

            Anybody denying man made climate change at this point is simply stupid, and uneducated. They cannot be taken seriously on any topic.

          • June 23, 2017 at 3:05 pm
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            UW has declared himself to be judge jury and executioner for the sake of this issue. To all who do not fall in line with him, BEWARE!

          • June 23, 2017 at 3:24 pm
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            And you’re any different how?

          • June 23, 2017 at 5:20 pm
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            Go to Hell Polar, you are the one who gleefully started bragging about how you were emailing the site until they removed liberals’post. Get a life.

  • June 21, 2017 at 8:43 am
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    I wondered how deep the rabbit hole would go before posts would be deleted.

    There were 87 posts on this thread yesterday evening, now 67 (68 with this one). It looks like most of it being deleted was from some of the resident trolls here, but there was some excellent off-topic discussion in there, too, including the post from UW (I believe), taunting IJ that his post would be deleted. LOL

  • June 21, 2017 at 10:34 pm
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    Is this the most moderated comments section for IJ? Obviously, I have only been participating for a couple of weeks now, but it seem odd to me to see another thread with so many deletions. It makes some of the conversations funny, since they no longer are responding to anyone. LOL

    • June 22, 2017 at 9:07 am
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      No, to answer your question, Doug, there have been other topics much more heavily censored. Real censorship didn’t start out here until, and admittedly so, a couple posters out here started to make their snow flake complaints about the way some of us speak about today’s conservatives. Funny, because, they are quick to put down any beliefs that aren’t conservative by insulting and personally attacking a poster who extends it. Totally hypocritical. Hope you read this soon, I’m sure this too, will be deleted.

    • June 22, 2017 at 10:52 am
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      Doug, I suggest you write to IJ to ask them about their monitoring of these articles. Over the past several years, the angry left often used extremely vile and curse words against Conservatives like me, Polar, Bob and any other poster identifying as Conservative. Planet sarcastically said we were snowflakes for reporting it to IJ for removal. No one should be subjected to the language that UW and Actu and a few others were using on a business forum.

      • June 23, 2017 at 8:58 am
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        Doug,
        Let’s not have any Faux Newz about it, conservatives out here have used vile language and curse words against our former President and simply, those they disagree with. I quit reading anything Bob wrote because of it. I have extended the olive branch time and time again, especially to Agent, but it has never been accepted. I even offered to send a gift to Agent (pocket Constitution) or meet him on a work-cation. Some are just so closed-minded, there is literally no hope.

  • June 22, 2017 at 12:57 pm
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    Agent,
    I was too busy having a good time with my wife, why on earth would I want to see Dumb Donnie Dollhands and totally ruin the libido in the room? I heard pieces of his “I Already Won but I’m Still Campaigning Because I Just Can’t Get Over Myself” rally. To quote, “The sun really works down there.” What a FREAKING IDIOT! He also told Iowans, regarding wind turbines, he wouldn’t have to wait on a wind to turn their lights on in the house. Again, what a FREAKING IDIOT! But, all the Trumpkins were doing their sealish “arf arf arf” to that one. I didn’t think they made them any dumber than Lloyd Christmas and Harry Dunne, but this bloated grifter we have as POS-TUS certainly is.

    We should have set up our own exchange and then we wouldn’t be in the mess. But, Terry Brain-dead, now the ambassador to JJJJina, is also a long lost relative of our two beloved characters I reference above.

    Oh SAMSONSITE!

    • June 23, 2017 at 10:06 am
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      Hey, Carrier is moving those jobs in Indiana Trump “saved” to Mexico. What a deal maker. The geniuses that gave him major points for it, even though people like me said it was obviously BS, were wrong. I was right. Let the apologies and admissions of error roll in along with the hatred of Trump for failing so hard like they claimed Obama did. Wonder if they will keep the millions?

      Who wants to go first? Agent? Polar?

      • June 23, 2017 at 10:12 am
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        Oh, I missed the best part about Carrier. They are in indeed keeping the millions of dollars Trump negotiated for them, keeping jobs that were not scheduled to leave, shipping jobs away, and using their Trump money, paid for by taxpayers, to increase automation to replace workers. Bad deal maker, because he’s too dumb and too incompetent to make deals that don’t rely on threatening to sue people into bankruptcy.

        MAGA, geniuses.

        • June 23, 2017 at 12:40 pm
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          MAJGAA – Make American Jobs Go Away Again

          • June 23, 2017 at 3:23 pm
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            MAFFDGCATGA – Make America Free From Driving Golf Cart Across The Green Again – total FREAKING DB!

  • June 22, 2017 at 4:04 pm
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    Dang, another good response of mine to utter ridiculousness lost to time. :(

    IJ, come on, you gotta leave the informed posts alone. And the ignorant ones to go along with it. Otherwise, nobody is ever going to learn anything…

    • June 23, 2017 at 12:18 pm
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      Hey Doug, please review the posts of UW and Captain Planetarium and see if you think they are adding to the debate or are they just hateful trolls?

      They are examples on why the Democratic Party is in total meltdown. The politics of hate and deceit are not a winning formula. The American People see this and that is why Republicans are winning. Pee Wee Herman lost with all his Hollywood money. The elections are over. Wake up and smell the coffee. MAGA

      • June 23, 2017 at 12:42 pm
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        Karen had just as much money and the race was very close. In fact, closer than the 20 points the R’s usually win by in that district. Also, I’m an Independent, not registered with the Democratic party, so please, pretty please with sugar on top, for the 1,000th time, quit associating me with them. I make my own decisions. I don’t fall in line like some posters out here.

        • June 23, 2017 at 2:51 pm
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          Planetorium, a vile Independent is just as bad as a vile Democrat. You got your facts wrong on Pee Wee. He had twice the money as Karen and she beat him anyway.

          • June 23, 2017 at 3:23 pm
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            Oh, go drive across the green!

          • June 23, 2017 at 4:24 pm
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            And, they both spent too much. Time to get money out of politics. Past time, actually.

          • June 23, 2017 at 4:32 pm
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            Agreed. Ending Citizens United would be a nice start, but in general, the money in politics is disgusting.

  • June 23, 2017 at 6:03 pm
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    Sure is good that our POTUS is not beholden to special interest money so he can tell them to fly a kite. Congress and the Senate need to do the same thing. I bet you guys don’t know that McCain has a foundation that took money from the infamous George Soros. No wonder he is spreading lies about our President and by the way, talks like an Alzheimers patient. Should have been sent packing during his last election. Pelosi is trying to fend off some new Democrats wanting her to leave. Please stay Nancy. We aren’t tired of winning yet.

    • June 23, 2017 at 6:16 pm
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      Trump is his own special interest. It is all he cares about. If you can’t see that by now, you never will.



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