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  • October 11, 2017 at 1:37 pm
    Lee says:
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    Google “Duke University & EPA Investigation”. Duke, backed up by North Carolina Chapel Hill, is being investigated for falsifying studies of particulates on infant lungs in order to obtain EPA Grant Money ……………… $225,000,000 in Grant Money…..

    • October 11, 2017 at 2:06 pm
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      That’s not exactly true. It was a single lab technician on Duke University’s payroll who falsified data, and a single ex-Duke U employee who filed the whistleblower law suit accusing the University of knowing the data was bad and looking the other way. Under the applicable federal law, the whistleblower stands to collect up to 30% of the final settlement amount. I’m not saying either party is ‘right’ in the litigation, but the amount of $$ in play makes me wonder about everyone’s motivations and who’s footing the whistleblower’s legal bills.

      • October 12, 2017 at 4:20 pm
        PolarBeaRepeal says:
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        Q: how many ‘self-proclaimed climate scientists’ does it take to falsify climate data?

        A: one.

      • October 12, 2017 at 4:22 pm
        PolarBeaRepeal says:
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        Psst; people with their heads screwed on right are more concerned with the costs of falsified climate data, and the Global Warming Hoax perpetrated upon the World by Al Gore-ithm and a few dozen nutcases who think they can project the future accurately with censored data that they helped censor.

    • October 11, 2017 at 2:30 pm
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      • October 11, 2017 at 2:50 pm
        Captain Planet says:
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        First, source required. You are exaggerating again. No one ever said all the polar ice caps would be gone, as in no longer, by 2014. You are in the very least, out of context.

        • October 12, 2017 at 4:23 pm
          PolarBeaRepeal says:
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          Source of false claims on Global Warming: Al Gore, beach front vila owner and carbon emitter via private jets.

          Got any other ‘softball pitch’ questions?

      • October 11, 2017 at 3:13 pm
        Captain Planet says:
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        You are right, though. Fake scientists, particularly those working on behalf of Big Tobacco and Big Oil, have been falsifying data for years. Downright lying, actually.

        • October 12, 2017 at 4:25 pm
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        • October 12, 2017 at 4:31 pm
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          No one ever said that?

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsioIw4bvzI

          Yes they did, and no, he isn’t taking it out of context, you’re trying to manipulate how Agent said it to say he’s taking it out of context.

          As for Big oil, they have not been lying about climate change. Big tobacco was, but you cannot lump these two things together. It is inappropriate. They are not the same entity, and it isn’t the same time frame.

      • October 12, 2017 at 5:18 pm
        Captain Planet says:
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        Agent, are you referring to this?

        http://www.snopes.com/ice-caps-melt-gore-2014/

        • October 13, 2017 at 7:44 am
          PolarBeaRepeal says:
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          Don’t click on a snopes link; they’ll sell your email / IP addy to 3rd parties and you’ll get spammed worse than rain from a hurricane rolling through The Caribbean and The Gulf.

          • October 13, 2017 at 10:26 am
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            No need to click then, Yogi. I wouldn’t want any of you snowflakes getting spammed. You might not have anyone to throw paper towels at you:

            CLAIM
            Al Gore predicted that Earth’s “ice caps” will melt away by 2014.

            RATING
            MIXTURE
            WHAT’S TRUE
            In the late 2000s, Al Gore made a series of high-profile statements suggesting the possibility that Arctic sea ice could be completely gone during the summer by around 2013 or 2014.

            WHAT’S FALSE
            Gore did not himself make these predictions but said (in some cases erroneously) that others had; Gore never referred to a year-long lack of ice for both poles, but instead largely referenced Arctic sea ice in the summer.

            ORIGIN
            In the years 2007, 2008, and 2009, Al Gore made statements about the possibility of a complete lack of summer sea ice in the Arctic by as early as 2013. While Gore attributed these predictions to scientists, they stemmed from a selective reading of aggressive estimates regarding future melting. The comments became a popular talking point for human-caused climate change deniers in 2014 and onward when the predictions, which in some cases were overstated, did not pan out.

            On 10 December 2007, in his Nobel prize acceptance speech, Gore said:

            Last September 21, as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is “falling off a cliff.” One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.
            Here, Gore refers to a National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association (NOAA) announcement and two different climate studies, one of which became the source for his most aggressive statements. On 21 September, NOAA did announce that sea ice had hit its lowest recorded point in history.

            The second, more aggressive estimate for when summer sea ice will disappear in the Arctic comes from a conference talk at the 2007 American Geophysical Fall Meeting — which was done by researchers associated with the Naval Postgraduate School, and was presented later that week. The BBC reported that the study did make the prediction that Gore claimed:

            Scientists in the US have presented one of the most dramatic forecasts yet for the disappearance of Arctic sea ice.

            Their latest modelling studies indicate northern polar waters could be ice-free in summers within just 5-6 years. Professor Wieslaw Maslowski told an American Geophysical Union meeting that previous projections had underestimated the processes now driving ice loss.
            The article also noted that Maslowski’s group, frequently cited by Gore, often makes predictions that are more aggressive than their peers:

            Professor Maslowski’s group, which includes co-workers at NASA and the Institute of Oceanology, Polish Academy of Sciences (PAS), is well known for producing modelled dates that are in advance of other teams.
            On 13 December 2008, Gore appears to have made a similarly flawed statement while speaking at the opening of a German natural history museum. Though transcripts and clear audio are hard to find, one video of the event documents Gore saying that “The entire North polar ice cap may well be completely gone in 5 years.” Given the dates presented, it is likely that Gore was once again referring to Maslowski’s data. Unless he preceded his statement with some qualification not captured by the video, his statement either intentionally or accidentally neglected to mention that this prediction, aggressive as it was, concerned only summer sea ice.

            On 14 December 2009, during a speech at the Copenhagen Climate Conference, Gore cited newer research from the same group:

            These figures are fresh. Some of the models suggest to Dr [Wieslav] Maslowski that there is a 75 per cent chance that the entire north polar ice cap, during the summer months, could be completely ice-free within five to seven years.
            That statement put Gore in hot water when Maslowski told The Times of London that his data did not allow for such a prediction:

            “It’s unclear to me how this figure was arrived at,” Dr Maslowski said. “I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this.”

            Mr Gore’s office later admitted that the 75 per cent figure was one used by Dr Maslowksi as a “ballpark figure” several years ago in a conversation with Mr Gore.
            The claim that Gore “predicted” an ice-free Arctic in 2014 is a simplification of these events. However, Gore is definitely guilty, in these cases, of cherry picking science or playing loose with the details of that science.

            Gore’s statements gained the most viral attention in 2014 and 2015, both because these were years in which Gore’s statements implied an ice-free summer in the Arctic and because those years had relatively more arctic sea ice than preceding years.

            From a broad perspective, however, summer sea ice in the Arctic has, in fact, been declining at faster rates relative to 20th century, and the year 2016 has tied with the year 2007 (the year highlighted by Gore in his Nobel speech) for the second least Arctic summer sea ice on record (the lowest recorded sea ice extent occurred in 2012).

            While the disappearance of summer sea ice is difficult to predict, a 2013 review of different approaches (including Maslowski’s) summarized the range of various predictions for the first ice-free summer in the Arctic:

            We have investigated three approaches to predicting 21st century summer Arctic sea ice loss as represented by trendsetters, stochasters, and modelers [three quantitative approaches used to make predictions]. At present, it is not possible to completely choose one approach over another as all approaches have strengths and weaknesses. […]

            Time horizons for summer sea ice loss of these three approaches turns out to be roughly 2020, 2030, and 2040 respectively for trendsetters, stochasters, and modelers. […]

            It is reasonable to conclude that Arctic sea ice loss is very likely to occur in the first rather than the second half of the 21st century, with a possibility of loss within a decade or two.
            Arctic sea ice is, without question, on a declining trend, but Gore definitely erred in his use of preliminary projections and misrepresentations of research. Because Gore himself did not claim to have made these predictions, however, and because his statements applied specifically to summer sea ice in the Arctic, we rate the claim that Gore “predicted the ice caps will melt by 2014” as a mixture.

  • October 11, 2017 at 3:12 pm
    Roy says:
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    I don’t believe that I have yet to see an Insurance Journal article that has had anything positive to say about Trump?

    • October 11, 2017 at 4:20 pm
      Texas Guy says:
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      It’s not just IJ. And being a conservative, I can say this with a straight face – perhaps there isn’t such an article because there isn’t anything positive to say…

    • October 12, 2017 at 7:37 am
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      Pretty telling when almost all articles are reporting news, and now editorializing.

      Like Texas Guy said, (I used to consider myself a conservative until everybody else that labeled themselves as such moved hard nationalist/fascist right) there isn’t much of anything positive to say about Trump.

      • October 12, 2017 at 7:38 am
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        *not editorializing.

        • October 13, 2017 at 1:52 pm
          PolarBeaRepeal says:
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          you had it right in your first post.

      • October 12, 2017 at 12:44 pm
        Captain Planet says:
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        Pretty difficult for most to support an effort to remove emergency services from Americans devastated, suffering, and dying down in Puerto Rico. Or support efforts to silence the independent free press. Not exactly the American way. I am personally disgusted.



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