Hobby Lobby Appeals Morning-After Pill Decision

November 27, 2012

  • November 27, 2012 at 8:57 am
    ComradeAnon says:
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    Basically they are saying they are a church. They’ll lose.

  • November 27, 2012 at 9:33 am
    JohnD says:
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    No, they are saying that their beliefs are ingrained in everything they do.

    • November 27, 2012 at 2:24 pm
      Civil Rights Matter says:
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      So are my beliefs about religious freedom. Freedom Of is Freedom From – how many times do we have to legislate this simple point? You cannot tell me what to do based on your religious beliefs. You cannot discriminate against me for my beliefs or lack thereof. You are required to provide health insuracne coverage. You are therefore required to provide coverage included in the legal health plans, including contraception. The tighter your clench your fist the more your cannot hold – keep alienating and dooming your religion.

      • November 28, 2012 at 11:08 am
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        • November 29, 2012 at 10:41 am
          Jon says:
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          “The tighter you clench your fist the harder it will hurt the guy you punch.”

          That’s actually factually and technically incorrect.

    • November 27, 2012 at 2:33 pm
      Retired UW says:
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      That’s admirable. But, they make hundreds of millions of dollars of profits from the secular world of free enterprise. Seems they want to have it both ways – make zillions as a for-profit company, but want to be given the ability to force their own personal morality upon their employees. That’s against the law. They could, however, re-incorporate as a church and give up all the profits, and then exercise their freedom to practice their religion.

      Think they’ll do it?

    • November 27, 2012 at 3:45 pm
      Cheetoh Mulligan says:
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      The government should not be able to dictate to a business or family something that goes against their religious beliefs and then force them to comply. Medical insurance isn’t a right, it is a benefit. Hobby Lobby should be able to post that their benefit package excludes contraceptives, and then prospective employees can make a choice to work there or not. If your religious belief is that a fertilized egg is a living thing, then killing it is murder. Our government should not force a person to provide tools for murder. Further, contraceptives and the killing pill are not medically necessary items, which is the real intention of medical insurance. People should take responsibility for their actions.

      • November 27, 2012 at 4:35 pm
        Civil Rights Matter says:
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        Thanks for making the correct point, even though you did not intend to. The government steps in when people encroach on others’ rights. In this case, a corporation is dictating to its employees, or at least trying to, that they should follow the majority shareholders religious views. The government is required to be agnostic in its actions, therefore, it is obligated to intervene. You’re allowed to act on the basis of whatever religion you want, the governement and corporations are not.

        • November 27, 2012 at 4:50 pm
          Cheetoh Mulligan says:
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          Medical insurance is a benefit provided by a company to entice people to work for them. It is not a right, although it is slowly becoming an entitlement. Different companies offer different levels of benefit programs. Employees can make an informed choice of whether to work for a company or not and can base it on the benefits offered. This happens all day long when people change jobs or get hired. If you don’t like the exclusion of contraceptives or morning after pills, don’t work there.

      • November 28, 2012 at 9:49 am
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        What if their beliefs are that they don’t want to hire African Americans? Contraceptives are medically necessary if don’t want to get pregnant.

        • November 28, 2012 at 11:02 am
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          • November 29, 2012 at 10:51 am
            Jon says:
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            What a joke.

            The Rythm Method, Calendar Cycle, etc, have a much higher failure rate than contraception.

            Nice myth pal, but you might want to do your research first.

          • November 29, 2012 at 11:22 am
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            Newsflash, people who aren’t married have sex, too! Sex is for more than procreation. And, not everyone is on top of their “fertility cycle” as a result. I think most of us out here are wide awake, eyes wide open. It’s those that don’t see a woman’s need for contraception that are groggy. Groggy Lobby.

          • November 29, 2012 at 1:30 pm
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            Get out of the 1950′s and join the rest of us.

          • November 30, 2012 at 1:16 pm
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            Weeks? You abstain for weeks because the Mrs. is ‘fertile’. Her ‘fertile’ cycle is probably more like…4 days. Couple of weeks? You righties really don’t place any value on science, do you?

      • November 28, 2012 at 2:23 pm
        Retired UW says:
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        Do a little homework, please. Generally, if a company has more than 50 employees, their benefits program is subject to federal guidelines and laws.

      • November 29, 2012 at 10:57 am
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        Why pay for Viagra for man than? It’s not medically necessay…. I see it as a double standard. Use of all contraceptives isn’t murder. In fact using some forms birth control is being responsible. Also there are cases in which birth control is medically necessary. The pills do more than prevent pregency. You will have more women getting back door abortions just like in 50 & 60″s. Many of them dying from the conditions. There needs to be a middle ground here. Give the employee the option to add the coverage at there cost. It shouldn’t cost them that much more.

  • November 27, 2012 at 10:57 am
    Brokie says:
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    A zygote is ‘sacred’ to the owners of the Hobby Lobby, and yet it is perfectly acceptable that ALL their merchandise is produced in sweat shops by Chinese children. What’s so Christ-like about that?

    • November 27, 2012 at 1:11 pm
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      Amen!

    • December 13, 2012 at 4:32 pm
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      On what are you basing your assumptions? What expertise do you have in international sourcing? Any idea what sorts of labor and facility audits factories must pass in order to sell to ethical companies like Hobby Lobby? They employ middle class workers, earning a living for their families just like you and me. Many are touched by a Christian message just through dealing with a retailer who treats them fairly. Hobby Lobby has done well making their own decisions. They should be free to continue.

      • December 14, 2012 at 9:50 am
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        Well, they’re not. End of conversation. And since their employees will not be using the morning after pill because they are all evangelical Christians, it should not affect their premium costs. I’m sure they are big enough to be rated on their own experience and are probably self insured. Quit with the morality pushing. There’s no room for it in government or business.

    • December 16, 2012 at 11:11 pm
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      ALL their merchandise is not manufactured in China….Their fabric, scrapbooking papers, home accent products like pillows and their candles are manufactured in the US, Oklahoma to be exact. I’m not real crazy about buying Chinese goods but Hobby Lobby is less guilty than most if you want to be precise. Do some homework. Not ALL people in China are employed by sweat shops. Some enjoy work and benefit from it.

      • December 30, 2012 at 9:31 pm
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        That is not true. I work in the Hobby Lobby warehouse and all that stuff is made in other countries. Not a single thing that Hibby Lobby sells is made in the U.S. Also, I would just like to point out that I DO have to work on Sundays sometimes. In fact the last 4 Sundays I have had to work, and it is mandatory.

  • November 27, 2012 at 11:09 am
    JeLiv says:
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    They are standing up for their faith which is exactly what they should be doing. They are not saying that they are a church, they are saying that the government is forcing them to promote things that go against the very core of their belief, belief that they built thier company on. It is so sad that religious freedom is disappearing at such a rapid rate in this country – Christianity is anyway, I don’t see it so much with other religions.

    I’ll be praying for the Green family and their company.

    • November 27, 2012 at 1:57 pm
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      This issue seems to me to be the very definition of “separation of church and state”. The health bill is mandating the availability of contraceptives (right or wrong – that’s a different discussion) without regard for an organization’s religious beliefs.

    • November 27, 2012 at 2:24 pm
      Retired UW says:
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      The judge is ruling on a Constitutional issue…period. Hobby Lobby is not given the same rights and religious protections that a church would get. That’s the trade off the Greens must accept in return for their billions of dollars of personal wealth.

    • November 27, 2012 at 2:48 pm
      Civil Rights Matter says:
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      Thats called the proximity heuristic – you likely don’t associate with many other religions and don’t feel the pressures they feel because you live in your own NIMBY world. Nice attempt at objective observation though.

    • November 28, 2012 at 9:56 am
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      While you are praying – throw in a line or two asking for safety and health for the uneducated Asian children making the merchandise at Hobby Lobby.

      • December 16, 2012 at 11:07 pm
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        As an employee of Hobby Lobby I know for a fact that they do not employ or exploit “uneducated Asian children.” Many, many products are manufactured in Oklahoma, a state within this country, the home base of the company. Their textiles, papers, pillows and candles to name a few.

  • November 27, 2012 at 11:29 am
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    • November 27, 2012 at 1:28 pm
      Brokie says:
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      It’s a not a tiny baby wearing wearing a tiny bib, it’s a zygote. Hobby Lobby pays minimum wage. I’m very sure that, unless they are employing a bunch of Michelle Duggars – the vast majority of their female employees WANT contraception coverage – they do not want the puritanical morals of the owners imposed in to their very private reproductive lives. A woman working full time at Hobby Lobby would be considering ‘working poor’, probably economically unable to adequately raise a child. Welcome to the 21st century – pay for the contraception.

      • November 27, 2012 at 2:16 pm
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        The big question here is should the gov have the right to force one citizen to set aside their religious beliefs so another can receive free contraception. What happended to personal responsibility in this country? You want to terminate a zygote, baby or whatever you want to call it to justify your actions be my guest. Just don’t ask someone else to pay for it. Welcome to personal accountablity in the 19th, 20th and 21st centuries.
        As for minimum wages in this country, if you don’t like it, lobby to get it increased.

        • November 27, 2012 at 2:39 pm
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          The government isn’t forcing one citizen to set aside their religious beliefs. They are forcing a for-profit business to adhere to federal law. Hobby Lobby is not a not-for-profit religious organization. it is a for-profit business founded by very religious people. That’s a marked and definitive distinction.

          That’s what all the pro-Green family people miss.

          A for-profit company is not an individual. It does not have religious rights, etc.

          I fully support the Green family for closing down their business on Sundays for religious reasons (though, of course, the Sabbath was originally Sundown Friday to Sundown Saturday…)as that does not infringe upon any state or federal laws.

          But their insistance that they can pick and choose what part of the healthcare law to follow and what to ignore is unconscionable.

          • November 30, 2012 at 1:38 am
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            Totally off topic… but interesting to me. Man was not created for the sabbath (a religious observance) but the sabbath was actually set aside for our own good. A day of rest is the model God gave when He created the world in 6 days, rested on the 7th. God is not concerned that you work on Saturday, Sunday or any other day (think: police, fire, medics, other weekend warriors). He knows we need a day of rest, we are better workers, parents, spouses, when we rest regularly. So I doubt the Greens close on Sunday in order to obey the original Jewish Sabbath custom and that they “just got the day wrong”. No, it is more likely that they go to church, watch a little football and want their employees to be able to do the same – to rest and relax at least one day a week.

          • December 3, 2012 at 11:08 pm
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            @boo hoo:

            (Exodus 31:15). Breaking the sabbath was a capital offense. Even to something so minor as “picking up sticks.”

            North Dakota even has a law on the books stating that there is a fine for breaking the Sabbath.

      • November 27, 2012 at 5:48 pm
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        • November 27, 2012 at 6:18 pm
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          The misogyny of this board forum just kills me.

          You know, it’s not just the dirty sluts who need emergency contraception. Birth control fails. Condoms break. Rapists don’t always stop to put on a condom.

          But then again, the female body has ways of shutting that kind of thing down, right?

          • November 28, 2012 at 9:37 am
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            Judging by the outcome of the recent election – the female body has a VERY EFFECTIVE way of shutting down misogynist (sp?) politicians, eh? It’s called voting….heh heh heh…

          • November 28, 2012 at 4:04 pm
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        • November 29, 2012 at 11:25 am
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          Flawed premise, you are assuming Brookie Mama took that pill after conception had taken place. Conception doesn’t happen the instant ol’ boy has his O face.

      • November 28, 2012 at 6:28 pm
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        So I am considered ‘working poor’. Even though I have a college degree and could choose to work elsewhere. I have chosen to work for a company that closed on Sundays so I can worship. Also you should realize that HB pays much higher than minimum wage. This is the best paying retail position in my part of the US. The benefits of health insurance are optional. I could chose to buy them elsewhere if I didn’t like what I get with the company plan.

        • December 4, 2012 at 1:47 pm
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          I agree totally with HB employee. If you don’t like the benefits offered, then look for another job. This is just one more instance of government intervention. If I have the choice I would work for a company that pays well(Hobby Lobby) and maybe not have all of the benefits that I want. My company doesn’t have dental insurance, but it has other benefits. If dental were that important, I would look for another job that did pay for dental. I pray HL is succesful. Welcome to Obama Care. What a disaster!!!!

      • December 1, 2012 at 11:59 pm
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        Man you are an idiot! Wow…idiot!!!

        Go get your GED, pathetic…

      • December 16, 2012 at 11:14 pm
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        As an employee of Hobby Lobby, my starting salary as a cashier was twice minimum wage. Everyone’s is. As profits go up, our salaries do as well. Get your facts straight.

    • November 27, 2012 at 2:14 pm
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      Are you allowed to ask on a job application what relgiion the prospective employee is? Are you allowed to require your employees to attend weekly mass? Is fornication a terminable offense in the Employment contract? How about gluttony? Pride? Then why in God’s name would you be allowed to require your employees to share in your religious beliefs about contraception?

      The law is not unconstitutional – the unconstitutional practice is a company forcing its religious beliefs on its employees, especially when it comes to healthcare. Believe what you want as long as it does not encroach on the civil rights of others.

  • November 27, 2012 at 1:54 pm
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    Does Hobby Lobby require their male employees to sign an affidavit that they promise not to use condoms – and that sex will only be considered when a baby is the intended outcome?

    • November 27, 2012 at 2:06 pm
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      Uhhh, yes they do, duh!

      Oh wait…there goes that double-standard again. As good Christians as they may be, they should understand free will and the responsibility everyone accepts as an individual. Give them the contraception. Some women need it. It’s not for you or the Green family to judge and decide. Maybe some of their employees aren’t looking to get pregnant. Maybe some of their employees have sex as a ‘hobby’. It’s also a great workout if you’re doing it right. Don’t they want their employees to be healthy? It’s not like they can afford a gym pass at minimum wage. (Stretch? Yeeeeaaah, just a little bit, but it was fun).

      Now, go ahead and use your thumbs, but be gentle! Maybe you should stop by Hobby Lubey first.

      • November 27, 2012 at 5:52 pm
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        • December 3, 2012 at 10:48 am
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          Who said anything about GIVING it away??? The employee more than likely has to contribute to the cost of healthcare and the employer can pass on as much of that cost as they like. It just has to be COVERED. Not PAID FOR. Get it straight people.

    • November 27, 2012 at 2:11 pm
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      is that a serious point or a joke? one is designed to PREVENT, the other is designed to be used when PREVENTION did not occur.

    • November 27, 2012 at 2:19 pm
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      I’m sure their male employees don’t ask them to pay for condoms.

      • November 27, 2012 at 2:41 pm
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        It’s a specious and invalid argument.

        Hobby Lobby isn’t trying to avoid *all* types of contraception. They are only disputing the few “morning after” ones.

      • November 27, 2012 at 3:30 pm
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        No, but Viagara and Cialis are covered. No reason to use a condom if you can’t get enough hope in the rope.

        • November 27, 2012 at 5:53 pm
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          They should not be either.

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          Actually, I bet you can buy condoms with your flex spending account.

  • November 27, 2012 at 2:14 pm
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    Having religious morals is a beautiful and wonderful thing. Imposing and forcing your religious morals on your workers is not. We all have the right to our own religion and practices. Once again, government and business need to stay out of the bedroom and allow grown adults to decide what is in their best interests.

  • November 27, 2012 at 2:24 pm
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    • November 27, 2012 at 3:32 pm
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      Ruminator, you’ve never had a condom break, have you?

      • November 28, 2012 at 2:28 pm
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        I chose to carry the child to term. My last child was not the result of a planned pregnancy, but I love that child as much as the others. I take responsibility for my actions, even when the results are unintended.

        • November 28, 2012 at 4:07 pm
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          Good for you.

        • November 29, 2012 at 9:00 am
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          I think that’s great but circumstances dictate not all women can make the same decision, hence the right to choose. Since that is the law of the land, you don’t have to agree with it, but you do have to accept every woman’s right. You can be pro-life, just don’t be anti-choice. Further, we’re talking about the morning-after pill. In some instances, conception hasn’t even occurred:

          The fastest sperm can get to a fallopian tube is about 30 minutes, meaning that the quickest conception could occur following sex is in the half-hour range [source: WebMD]. This means that, following sex, the egg could be fertilized before you’ve gotten up to get a drink of water.

          Conception can occur as many as five days after sex or possibly longer, as strong, healthy sperm can survive for about that many days (and perhaps even longer) in the supportive environment of the fallopian tubes as they wait for an egg to be released, if one isn’t already present [source: Harms].

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          • November 29, 2012 at 11:23 am
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            @FFA

            You are incorrect. The vast majority of the pro-Hobby Lobby posts here are all about Pro-Life.

            And that is also fallacious–they’re about Pro-Birth. Pro-Life is a different story altogether. (Sister Joan Chittister said it best. Go google her and read up.)

            As to what gives him the right? Congress did, and it was backed by the Supreme Court.

            Like it or not, that’s the truth.

    • November 27, 2012 at 4:53 pm
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      Sounds like it was written by a guy…….

    • November 27, 2012 at 5:42 pm
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      Ruminator, have you ever heard of a thing called rape? Or are you one of those “legitmate rape” believers. Or maybe you think it’s “God’s will”.

      • November 28, 2012 at 4:08 pm
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        All rapists should have their things cut off. If thats not negative reinforcement, I dont know what would be.

        • November 28, 2012 at 4:14 pm
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          Unfortunately, the “cruel and unusual punishment” part of the law would prohibit that.

          But then what would you do for a female rapist?

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          • November 29, 2012 at 10:45 am
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            Rape is cruel. Letting someone possess the ability to repeat that crime is even more cruel to future victims.

  • November 27, 2012 at 2:54 pm
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    It’s not just for women who had a “choice freely made the night before.”

    Unless you follow the same ridiculous line of reasoning Todd Akin does about “legitimate” rape not causing pregnancy…

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    • November 27, 2012 at 4:32 pm
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      And, so do their employees as well as their families. What a ridiculous comment. So much for job creation, huh Joe? Jaded much?

    • November 28, 2012 at 4:09 pm
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      They will probably just dropp their group health plan all togeather.

  • November 27, 2012 at 4:22 pm
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    Why do we get our health insurance through our employers again?

    • November 27, 2012 at 4:43 pm
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      Because they are aggregaters of policyholders. You are able to generate a better cost-benefit with a larger population – THE ENTIRE PURPOSE OF HEALTHCARE LAW – to prevent the Free-Rider problem from imposing enormous costs on responsible citizens.

      Also – I’d be shocked if Hobby Lobby pays more than 50% of eligible employees health insurance.

      • November 27, 2012 at 5:01 pm
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        How does continuing the failed system of employer-paid health insurance prevent the free rider problem? I’m OK with mandatory health insurance, but I’m NOT OK with having my employer make these purchase decisions for me. Regulate health insurance heavily, make it portable and let us buy it through an exchange. The current system separates the payer from the consumer and doesn’t allow market forces to operate. On top of that, it stifles innovators who may want to start their own business but are not able to due to lack of health insurance portability.

        This healthcare reform bill was all wrong, unfortunately so were the conservative objections to it.

        • November 27, 2012 at 5:26 pm
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          You know…I always feel a little odd when I agree with you on something.

          • November 28, 2012 at 8:43 am
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            You’ll have that, occasionally, when you are talking to someone who forms their own opinions rather than parroting stuff they’ve been fed by their particular brand of main stream media.

          • November 28, 2012 at 10:04 am
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            Nice.

            More likely because you and I tend to disagree here much more often.

      • November 27, 2012 at 5:56 pm
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        Not in this neck of the woods. Individual is much cheaper then group – much cheaper.

      • November 27, 2012 at 5:59 pm
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        Most cariers require a 50% contribution rate.
        It may revent free riders, but it did nothing to stop the lawyers from running the cost up out of this world.

        • November 27, 2012 at 6:18 pm
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          Agreed youngin – an exchange is the most economically efficient option – we’re a long way out though, but most people agree its inevitable, thanks to the interwebz.

          Many employers offer options, the ability to “buy up”, and the ability to select between typically two providers (that is, if the company is large enough). Small groups best solution is to do what large companies do – aggregate insurable lives to improve bargaining position. Captive Insurance is what you’re looking for, and it readily exists, the know-how is what is scarce.

          • November 28, 2012 at 9:17 am
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            The entire healthcare delivery and financing model in this country is fundamentally flawed, and all efforts to rein in costs without overhauling the entire system are doomed to failure.

            1) The consumer is different than the payer. Free market economics is only assumed to work when the payer and consumer are the same. Sure, you can argue that workers accept lower wages in exchange for employer-provided health insurance, and that workers have a choice of employers. Weak arguments. In reality, individual workers do not have a wide range of employer choices.

            2) Healthcare providers do not disclose the costs to their patients in advance. For the most part, the consumer is not presented with care options and their associated costs prior to having to make care decisions. Instead they deal directly with the health insurance company and cut out the consumer! Of course utilization and overall costs continue to rise! In every other transaction, I expect the seller of a good or service to provide at least an ESTIMATE of costs BEFORE I agree to the transaction. Why should health care be any different?

            I know healthcare is complicated and I’m oversimplifying a lot of the aspects. But I still believe a true free market is the best way to control costs and optimize value. This is true in most other industries, with some exceptions for certain services provided by the government (and there is continuous debate over which services should be privatized). Reform efforts should focus on getting the consumers of health care informed and active in their own health care decisions. Force healthcare providers to publish prices. Set up a consumer guide website with helpful information consumers can use to minimize costs (such as: “ask your doctor if a procedure can be done in an outpatient facility rather than the hospital”). Equalize the tax treatment of health insurance and facilitate exchanges where consumers can purchase the right health insurance product for them. Heavily regulate the insurance products so people can’t inadvertantly choose unacceptable coverage. Make insurance mandatory to eliminate the free rider problem. Cap premiums through a residual market mechanism like we do with auto and property, for those people with pre-existing conditions. The major piece I don’t have an answer for is senior health care. Unfortunately this piece probably needs to continue largely in its current form, since seniors have a diminished ability to pay, cost a lot, and are less able to sort through all the treatment options to save money.

            The insurance companies had their shot at controlling costs and they appear to be failing.

          • November 28, 2012 at 4:12 pm
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            Where are you getting info from? Do you have a plan design? Rates? If so, please do tell where. Not being sarcastic or anything but curious.
            IL has nothing to show.

  • November 27, 2012 at 6:10 pm
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    I wonder if Hobby Lobby extends their health insurance coverage for fertilization and invitro treatments?? If so, why is it then acceptable to artificially ‘create’ versus ‘prevent’ a child? And why would it be acceptable for my coverage to be more expensive and pay for multiple births or such treatments??

  • November 28, 2012 at 7:51 am
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    • November 28, 2012 at 8:58 am
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      Um, Hobby Lobby isn’t a person, you know? Hobby Lobby isn’t going to be saved or damned. Hobby Lobby is more than just the owners. Now, the owners may have their day. But, as far as Hobby Lobby goes, you can pray all you want, I really don’t think God cares if people buy their crafts there or at Michael’s.

      • November 28, 2012 at 4:36 pm
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        Corporations are seen as a “Person” in the eyes of the law. The can file suit,be sued, be taxed, pay taxes, etc. They are not, however, a “Natural Person”.

        Which begs the question – How can a Non-Natural Person have a religion?

        • November 28, 2012 at 4:43 pm
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          Here’s another way to think about it. Can Hobby Lobby attend a church service or bow to The East? Can Hobby Lobby take Communion or go to Confession? Can Hobby Lobby worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster? What will Hobby Lobby be reincarnated as in its next life? Quit praying for a corporation. Buddha doesn’t care and neither does Dionysus.

    • November 28, 2012 at 9:49 am
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      Suggestion: please pray for justice, pray for peace, pray for cures for disease, pray for warm blankets for those who are cold, pray that the hungry be fed FIRST before you pray for a gigantic corporate entity to prevail in a legal matter. Just throwin’ it out there.

      • November 28, 2012 at 4:14 pm
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        You forgot to pray for people to have a say in what goes on in their own house.

    • November 28, 2012 at 12:00 pm
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      Actually, he didn’t do too well at the cross. It was pretty bad.

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  • November 28, 2012 at 9:41 am
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    What would happen if a business was owned by a Jehovah’s Witness. Would THAT owner be allowed to decide that…transfusions would not be a covered medical procedure because it is against the JW’s beliefs? The health care law is the law. Obey it. Practice your religion in your place of worship and your home.

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    • November 28, 2012 at 12:02 pm
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      Even Jesus himself was quoted in the bible as saying that public display of religion is wrong (“Sermon on the Mount”).

      • November 29, 2012 at 9:43 am
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        So, how does it feel to get red-checked by religious conservatives who can’t handle it when scripture conflicts with their religious world-view?

        • November 29, 2012 at 5:27 pm
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          I’m devastated :)

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    • November 29, 2012 at 12:16 pm
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      Changing jobs to find “benefits that meet their needs” is easier said than done. Congratulations to your husband to having options.

      • November 30, 2012 at 12:01 am
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        It is what it is. You’re right, it’s not easy to find jobs these days, but that’s not a single company’s fault that the economy stinks and jobs are hard to come by. A company shouldn’t be penalized because they don’t want to provide the BENEFITS (yes, they are benefits, i.e. extra “income”….not required compensation) you think they should. The level of entitlement in this country is ridiculous. I weep for our children and the bankrupt welfare state we are handing them on a silver platter.

  • November 29, 2012 at 9:21 am
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    If it’s against God to take a pill to stop the pregnancy, why is it ok to take a pill to stop the heart attack? As a human, aren’t you playing God by continuing life, just as much as you are by stopping it?

    • November 29, 2012 at 11:11 am
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      ‘Something I don’t understand’ – brilliant comment. Provocative. I like it.

  • November 29, 2012 at 10:57 am
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    • November 29, 2012 at 11:32 am
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      Well, The Heritage Family wrote it, The President took it as his own stupidly thinking The Republicans would go with a plan they previously promoted, Congress passed it, and The Supreme Court upheld it. Happy to help!

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    • November 29, 2012 at 12:13 pm
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      Godwin’s Law has now entered the discussion. So, are all parties the Nazis then, FFA?

      • November 29, 2012 at 12:48 pm
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        Sorry, dont know Goodwins Law.
        At the very least – Crooks especially the IL policiticans.
        See Mel Reynolds wants Jrs job? Mel was convicted of Sexual Mis Conduct with a campaign worker several years back. Now, he thinks he should hold public office. Knuckle Heads in Chicago will probaly put him in.

        On a sports note, I have not seen when D Rose is expected back. Have you?

        • November 29, 2012 at 1:21 pm
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          No, I haven’t heard about solid about D Rose’s return. Those commercials are making me itch, though. And, they can use him back. Don’t get me wrong, I missed Heinrich when he was gone (kind of a poor-man’s Steve Nash), but we could certainly use our MVP these days. All reports I’ve read are staying tight-lipped. From date of surgery, doctors said anywhere from 8-12 months. But, that is on the cautious side. I’ve also read plenty of stories about Rose’s rehab dilligence and how he’s jumping, sprinting, and shooting jumpers as a part of that process. You hearing anything more defined in Chi-town?

          Just google Godwin’s Law and you’ll see what I’m saying. Thanks for bringing up The Bulls. Seems no one cares about the NBA these days. I may try to get up there and see a game or 2 in February. If we stand a chance against The Heat, we’re going to need Rose.

          • November 29, 2012 at 1:34 pm
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            Not a word. Barely mention him any more on the sports. News this morn stated his Jersey sales slipped to #5 in the NBA largely due to his being out.
            Of course, Reinsdorf has always kept injury info vague even on the Sox.

  • November 29, 2012 at 3:33 pm
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    This just in, Hobby Lobby was denied and they must comply with the mandate.

  • November 30, 2012 at 10:42 am
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    FYI: They manufacturer all their products here in the USA according to this article.

    • November 30, 2012 at 12:58 pm
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      I don’t see anywhere in the article where they state that. In fact, the wikipedia page specifically lists Hong Kong Connections – Chinese sourcing and buying office.

    • November 30, 2012 at 1:25 pm
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      What article? Proof, please.

  • December 3, 2012 at 11:12 am
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    “I do not believe that just because you’re opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don’t? Because you don’t want any tax money to go there. That’s not pro-life. That’s pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is.”

    –Sister Joan Chittister

    • December 3, 2012 at 11:10 pm
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      Thank you for taking the time to actually look up and post that. You’re a better person that I am. ;)

  • December 11, 2012 at 11:40 am
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    If one looks at this from the perspective of how many jobs will be lost if Hobby Lobby closes it’s doors is overwhelming.
    Not only the employees of the 500 stores but all the suppliers of the arts and craft items that are sold in each store will have lost one of the biggest outlets that sell their products. That means the trickle down effect to many companies in the US will be enormous. Not all things are made in China!
    Thank you Mr.Obama and all who voted for him.

  • December 15, 2012 at 12:37 am
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    As an employee of Hobby Lobby I for one am proud of them for standing up for what they believe in, this company who is closed on Sundays to give their employees time to worship and be with their families who also pays very well is one to be respected in all aspects. I am proud to be an employee of such a company.



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