If your 15-year old daughter went to a rave– keep in mind these things generally happen during very late hours like 11pm to 5am– what is your responsibility as the parent to know where your child is and to be responsible for their actions? Apparently, in the new America, the answer is “none whatsoever.”
Too bad a young child croaked at a rave. It seems the parents were clueless about her whereabouts. I’m finding it difficult to feel sorry for the kid or the parents.
It doesn’t mention if the PARENTS were charged with child neglect for not knowing where their minor child was that evening. I hope they don’t have any other children at home!
Sad story. I doubt if Mom and Dad will ever take responsibility for the death of their daughter. Far easier to blame someone else, and to collect a pay check for it. This way the parents can just keep denying it was their fault.
If this child took an over dose, she was going to die and she could have died anywhere. It is a very sad story but I agree that there is negligence on the parents part. This CHILD was a minor. Why was she out so late and hanging out, obviously, with the wrong crowd? Was this the first time this child used drugs? I think not. Parents expect everyone else to raise their children these days because they are too busy working for the almighty dollar. Remember what happened in Columbine? Those two boys were making bombs in their bedrooms for goodness sakes. Parents need to get more involved and find out exactly what is going on in their children’s lives. They should be parents first and then friends. A sad story but this child should have been at home; not at a Rave!
I have a 14 year old daughter who wants to attend concerts, but I will not allow her to because it is to dangerous. I will not let my daughter go anywhere that I do not know all the details. I feel bad for the girl, I feel worse for the parents losing their child, but they need to take accountability for their own lack of actions and that is being parents. Nowadays, parents are to “easy going” and dont care. The parents should be fined for lack of parenting and child endangerment. Plus for JUST NOT KNOWING THEIR CHILD!!!
At first, I was in total agreement with the comments, but then thought back to the NUMEROUS times I lied about my whereabouts to my parents. I went places I KNEW they would have a fit if they had any idea. I had good parents that thought they had provisions set in place to know where I was, but they had no clue….that is why my poor kids get away with NOTHING…I use the good old “been there, done that, good try kiddo”. Have a great day all :)
when will parents start to take responcibility for thier children’s actions. I grew up in America when parents took responcibilty for their children’s actions. This is a sad tradgedy, but could have been prevented. Anyone who bring a child into this world you are responcible for their action until they turn the age of 18. Further tradgedies can be avoided by better parental control. THe promoter of the event should have better screening of all people attending the event. The parents should not be blaming anyone but themselves for the lack of parental control.
I agree with all the comments regarding the responsibility of the parents but I find it just as disturbing that the organization agreed to a settlement. They knew that were likely to lose to a sympathetic jury and judge that thinks exactly the same way the parents do. That’s just as tragic.
Yes, the parents shouldn’t have let their 15 year old go to a rave, and parents should be more responsible.
But really, nobody thinks the organization bears responsibility for this at all? They let an underage person in and very likely looked the other way while widespread illegal drug use occurred. Now, post lawsuit, it’s likely they will be more diligent about who gets admitted and better monitor the activities at their events. Makes sense to me, what’s everyone’s beef with this?
Yes, but perhaps this girl looked older then she was? And the drugs she took were in pill form. It’s not like she lit up a joint which obviously would have been noticed. And, no, I don’t think the organization is responsible. They didn’t supply this child with drugs; perhaps the girl’s friends did. Should they not be held accountable then for her death? The drugs killed this child. Not the venue she attended. I have sympathy for her parents, but this young girl should have been home with her parents.
Perhaps the girl looked older and perhaps she didn’t. Bars check IDs. Surely a rave party company should be held to the same standard.
Also, an organization that throws RAVE parties–which are known for widespread use of ecstasy–should obviously have some reasonable measures in place to prevent drug use at their events.
The point being, the organization HAS some responsibilities, and whether they were met depends on the circumstances, which we don’t know, which is why litigation makes sense.
I’m just amazed at the level of self-righteousness in most of the comments here. Nobody here snuck out of the house, lied to their parents about where they were going, or used a fake ID? And everybody’s kids are in bed at 10PM sharp every night?
All of my friends’ 14 year old children were home at 10PM and none of them ever went to a Rave concert either at that young age. This child would have died ANY WHERE because she took an overdose. And if this child did sneak out of the house, whose fault would that be? Raves or the parents?
The age limit was sixteen (16), so it’s not the same scenario as a bar scanning a drivers license. That’s a legal issue; this was an event-specific age limit. She likely didn’t even have to present identification. What legitimate ID did you have at 16?
The teen made a conscious choice to break the clearly posted rules of the venue. The whole point of the “self-righteous comments” is to question whether the teen should have been in the position to make that choice. The consensus is no.
It’s tragic that the girl died. It’s also tragic that these days someone else needs to be blamed (and punished) for everything bad that happens.
The real winner in this (as always in these situations) is the lawyer. Congrats, Mr. Archer – enjoy the contingency fee.
Right, because people who aren’t even old enough to have IDs should be admitted to rave parties. These parties are synonymous with illegal drug use, and if you’re a company whose business is throwing these parties, it seems perfectly reasonable to ask them to check for IDs and have measures in place to prevent drug use (do a bag search, station personnel to monitor the crowd). And, after this case, I bet they will.
What I see in most of the comments are people rushing to blame the girl’s parents, while completely absolving the company of any responsibility for what goes on at their events, without knowing anything about them or the situation.
The fact that they settled for a paltry $190,000 shows how much they believed the venue organizer was at fault for the death of their daughter.
Prediction – a year from now they’ll have blown through the $190,000 with little or nothing to show for it and the fact that their negligent parenting killed their daughter will hit them like a freight train.
@Ins Guy and ReallyGuys – You know that kids lie and cheat with fake IDs etc. etc. The kid also died due to bad parenting and peer pressure, not only because she gained entry. Hence the relatively small sum for the settlement.
I find it disturbing that Raves are allowed anywhere, much less a huge facility like the L.A. Colliseum. There should be better policing of such events, like requiring them to end by 1 AM, etc. Nothing good can come of young people congregating in the wee hours of the morning!
I’m so glad my teen age son sits home on weekends and knits mittens and hats for pets! NOT! Hey, and what’s with the Barry Manilow comment… Barry rocks! ha kids making bad decisions, happens all the time, no matter how good/bad the parenting the issue here is the parents suing for a decision THEIR child made.
“There has to be oversight to prevent children from being able to gain entry and be put into a position of danger,” Steven D. Archer said.
I agree completely….PARENTS!
Most definately! Parents should have been the proper oversight of a 15 year old girl!
If your 15-year old daughter went to a rave– keep in mind these things generally happen during very late hours like 11pm to 5am– what is your responsibility as the parent to know where your child is and to be responsible for their actions? Apparently, in the new America, the answer is “none whatsoever.”
Too bad a young child croaked at a rave. It seems the parents were clueless about her whereabouts. I’m finding it difficult to feel sorry for the kid or the parents.
It doesn’t mention if the PARENTS were charged with child neglect for not knowing where their minor child was that evening. I hope they don’t have any other children at home!
Sad story. I doubt if Mom and Dad will ever take responsibility for the death of their daughter. Far easier to blame someone else, and to collect a pay check for it. This way the parents can just keep denying it was their fault.
If this child took an over dose, she was going to die and she could have died anywhere. It is a very sad story but I agree that there is negligence on the parents part. This CHILD was a minor. Why was she out so late and hanging out, obviously, with the wrong crowd? Was this the first time this child used drugs? I think not. Parents expect everyone else to raise their children these days because they are too busy working for the almighty dollar. Remember what happened in Columbine? Those two boys were making bombs in their bedrooms for goodness sakes. Parents need to get more involved and find out exactly what is going on in their children’s lives. They should be parents first and then friends. A sad story but this child should have been at home; not at a Rave!
I have a 14 year old daughter who wants to attend concerts, but I will not allow her to because it is to dangerous. I will not let my daughter go anywhere that I do not know all the details. I feel bad for the girl, I feel worse for the parents losing their child, but they need to take accountability for their own lack of actions and that is being parents. Nowadays, parents are to “easy going” and dont care. The parents should be fined for lack of parenting and child endangerment. Plus for JUST NOT KNOWING THEIR CHILD!!!
At first, I was in total agreement with the comments, but then thought back to the NUMEROUS times I lied about my whereabouts to my parents. I went places I KNEW they would have a fit if they had any idea. I had good parents that thought they had provisions set in place to know where I was, but they had no clue….that is why my poor kids get away with NOTHING…I use the good old “been there, done that, good try kiddo”. Have a great day all :)
when will parents start to take responcibility for thier children’s actions. I grew up in America when parents took responcibilty for their children’s actions. This is a sad tradgedy, but could have been prevented. Anyone who bring a child into this world you are responcible for their action until they turn the age of 18. Further tradgedies can be avoided by better parental control. THe promoter of the event should have better screening of all people attending the event. The parents should not be blaming anyone but themselves for the lack of parental control.
I agree with all the comments regarding the responsibility of the parents but I find it just as disturbing that the organization agreed to a settlement. They knew that were likely to lose to a sympathetic jury and judge that thinks exactly the same way the parents do. That’s just as tragic.
Yes, the parents shouldn’t have let their 15 year old go to a rave, and parents should be more responsible.
But really, nobody thinks the organization bears responsibility for this at all? They let an underage person in and very likely looked the other way while widespread illegal drug use occurred. Now, post lawsuit, it’s likely they will be more diligent about who gets admitted and better monitor the activities at their events. Makes sense to me, what’s everyone’s beef with this?
Yes, but perhaps this girl looked older then she was? And the drugs she took were in pill form. It’s not like she lit up a joint which obviously would have been noticed. And, no, I don’t think the organization is responsible. They didn’t supply this child with drugs; perhaps the girl’s friends did. Should they not be held accountable then for her death? The drugs killed this child. Not the venue she attended. I have sympathy for her parents, but this young girl should have been home with her parents.
Perhaps the girl looked older and perhaps she didn’t. Bars check IDs. Surely a rave party company should be held to the same standard.
Also, an organization that throws RAVE parties–which are known for widespread use of ecstasy–should obviously have some reasonable measures in place to prevent drug use at their events.
The point being, the organization HAS some responsibilities, and whether they were met depends on the circumstances, which we don’t know, which is why litigation makes sense.
I’m just amazed at the level of self-righteousness in most of the comments here. Nobody here snuck out of the house, lied to their parents about where they were going, or used a fake ID? And everybody’s kids are in bed at 10PM sharp every night?
All of my friends’ 14 year old children were home at 10PM and none of them ever went to a Rave concert either at that young age. This child would have died ANY WHERE because she took an overdose. And if this child did sneak out of the house, whose fault would that be? Raves or the parents?
The age limit was sixteen (16), so it’s not the same scenario as a bar scanning a drivers license. That’s a legal issue; this was an event-specific age limit. She likely didn’t even have to present identification. What legitimate ID did you have at 16?
The teen made a conscious choice to break the clearly posted rules of the venue. The whole point of the “self-righteous comments” is to question whether the teen should have been in the position to make that choice. The consensus is no.
It’s tragic that the girl died. It’s also tragic that these days someone else needs to be blamed (and punished) for everything bad that happens.
The real winner in this (as always in these situations) is the lawyer. Congrats, Mr. Archer – enjoy the contingency fee.
Right, because people who aren’t even old enough to have IDs should be admitted to rave parties. These parties are synonymous with illegal drug use, and if you’re a company whose business is throwing these parties, it seems perfectly reasonable to ask them to check for IDs and have measures in place to prevent drug use (do a bag search, station personnel to monitor the crowd). And, after this case, I bet they will.
What I see in most of the comments are people rushing to blame the girl’s parents, while completely absolving the company of any responsibility for what goes on at their events, without knowing anything about them or the situation.
The fact that they settled for a paltry $190,000 shows how much they believed the venue organizer was at fault for the death of their daughter.
Prediction – a year from now they’ll have blown through the $190,000 with little or nothing to show for it and the fact that their negligent parenting killed their daughter will hit them like a freight train.
@Ins Guy and ReallyGuys – You know that kids lie and cheat with fake IDs etc. etc. The kid also died due to bad parenting and peer pressure, not only because she gained entry. Hence the relatively small sum for the settlement.
I find it disturbing that Raves are allowed anywhere, much less a huge facility like the L.A. Colliseum. There should be better policing of such events, like requiring them to end by 1 AM, etc. Nothing good can come of young people congregating in the wee hours of the morning!
I’m so glad my teen age son sits home on weekends and knits mittens and hats for pets! NOT! Hey, and what’s with the Barry Manilow comment… Barry rocks! ha kids making bad decisions, happens all the time, no matter how good/bad the parenting the issue here is the parents suing for a decision THEIR child made.