What a stupid Moron this left wing wackjob sap sucker is. Here’s a guy whose entire business relies on producing CO2 gas by burning wood, or gas or coal or oil, whatever, to boil down his sap into syrup. What a frigging hypocrite. His arrogance and ignorance is so overwhelming that he can’t see the stupidity of his position.
I agree, I read the article in complete amazement. What are they going to sue the government for next? Floods, hurricanes, tornados, lack of jobs? This is so ridiculous it should have been thrown out of court. The scary part is that it wasn’t.
Hey, Ian I’m from San Francisco, so I have to say something. White (the Judge) was appointed by Bush and I believe was a partner at a prominent SF law firm representing mainly corporate clients, so he doesn’t fit the usual off the wall mold (though this decision may put him there). I wonder if he drives to work.
First off – someone with a 16,000 tree farm doesn’t burn wood to boil down – they use osmosis equipment that presses out the water content from the sap. The wood required in any other system would burn through net income quickly.
Secondly – the goal of the litigation probably isn’t to get a judgement – it’s to point out to the technocrats that exporting technology that wouldn’t pass local EPA standards should not be supported with low-cost loans.
Yes, it would be GREAT if the overseas market would buy GE’s latest gas turbines but the reality is that coal is a more plentiful fuel and there are FEW international standards for clean air technology commonly found in the US.
These court cases are typically podiums for increasing the free discussion about long-term environmental concerns.
You don’t have to be a tree-hugger to support freedom of speech and access to the courts.
Besides, defendants court costs are covered by their GL policies (as long as they don’t have pollution-related exclusions barring such support). Carriers should become more involved anyhow because increased weather-related losses will come out of their pockets or those of FEMA, etc.
If the Green Peacer’s etal. were around during the ice age, who would they have sued? Climate changes are constant, continuous events and it has not been proven yet that man is the culprit; after all, man wasn’t here for the ice age!
Any of you folks from Vermont?….I am, and I bet that this guy boils his sap with fuel oil. But I don’t believe that it’s global warming that is the problem, but acid rain. Here in Vermont all of our trees, plants and lakes are taking an enviromental beating from acid rain and this guy is no exception. But I suppose that the lawyers figured that they could’nt get the “traction” from acid rain.
Osmosis my halitosis. Even the larger producers boil their sap.
The article is moronic, the sapper is moronic. His anecdotal evidence of climate change has nothing to do with his sap production decreases. Any natural product has fluctuations. There is no man made global warming crisis. The climate has fluctuated thousands of times before humans populated the earth. There have been millions of hurricanes hitting the Gulf coast before we even learned to use fire. This dingleberry is nothing more than a Michael Moore sphincter sniffer, who thinks America is the cause if every problem in the world. He is wasting court resources. He is a whiny little turd who’s still pissed off about the 2000 election.
Ann Vaira Mentalist: Typical response from you left wing effete snobs. I was making a point of the lunacy of these frivolous suits and you go right to name calling. I guess that’s one reason why there are so mant red states; people are sick and tired of your B.S.
I am next door to the people’s republic of VT in NH and understand why this guy is upset as I am also upset with man-made climate changes but I think this belongs in the Congress and not a court. And I also agree that it has nothing to do with insurance. What is it doing here? Another right wing plot to smoke out us tree huggers who work in insurance?Is that the insurance angle?
Interesting points made by all here. Ann, osmosis, well actually, reverse osmosis is not the â€Åâ€Ŕend all†in the production of maple syrup. It is merely a more efficient means of separating the sugar and water. Boiling is always involved. And this particular farm in Vermont seemed to have a fantastic year of maple production just a few years ago.(in 1996 maple syrup production in the state of Vermont was up 43 percent from 1995) It seems that this litigation is not some much about global warming as it is about free speech and political agenda. Kudos for the â€Åâ€Ŕout of the box†thinking of the attorneys involved. Having a Vermont farmer suing our government…for a global issue…priceless! I bet he even looks a little like Jimmy Stewart.
What a stupid Moron this left wing wackjob sap sucker is. Here’s a guy whose entire business relies on producing CO2 gas by burning wood, or gas or coal or oil, whatever, to boil down his sap into syrup. What a frigging hypocrite. His arrogance and ignorance is so overwhelming that he can’t see the stupidity of his position.
I agree, I read the article in complete amazement. What are they going to sue the government for next? Floods, hurricanes, tornados, lack of jobs? This is so ridiculous it should have been thrown out of court. The scary part is that it wasn’t.
what do you expect? It was a judge in CA, liberal-ity is the byword there
Why does this story belong on this web-site?
Hey, Ian I’m from San Francisco, so I have to say something. White (the Judge) was appointed by Bush and I believe was a partner at a prominent SF law firm representing mainly corporate clients, so he doesn’t fit the usual off the wall mold (though this decision may put him there). I wonder if he drives to work.
First off – someone with a 16,000 tree farm doesn’t burn wood to boil down – they use osmosis equipment that presses out the water content from the sap. The wood required in any other system would burn through net income quickly.
Secondly – the goal of the litigation probably isn’t to get a judgement – it’s to point out to the technocrats that exporting technology that wouldn’t pass local EPA standards should not be supported with low-cost loans.
Yes, it would be GREAT if the overseas market would buy GE’s latest gas turbines but the reality is that coal is a more plentiful fuel and there are FEW international standards for clean air technology commonly found in the US.
These court cases are typically podiums for increasing the free discussion about long-term environmental concerns.
You don’t have to be a tree-hugger to support freedom of speech and access to the courts.
Besides, defendants court costs are covered by their GL policies (as long as they don’t have pollution-related exclusions barring such support). Carriers should become more involved anyhow because increased weather-related losses will come out of their pockets or those of FEMA, etc.
If the Green Peacer’s etal. were around during the ice age, who would they have sued? Climate changes are constant, continuous events and it has not been proven yet that man is the culprit; after all, man wasn’t here for the ice age!
Gee JB check your history books. Humans actually were around during the ice age. Not just you Neanderthals and Cro Magnons.
Any of you folks from Vermont?….I am, and I bet that this guy boils his sap with fuel oil. But I don’t believe that it’s global warming that is the problem, but acid rain. Here in Vermont all of our trees, plants and lakes are taking an enviromental beating from acid rain and this guy is no exception. But I suppose that the lawyers figured that they could’nt get the “traction” from acid rain.
Osmosis my halitosis. Even the larger producers boil their sap.
The article is moronic, the sapper is moronic. His anecdotal evidence of climate change has nothing to do with his sap production decreases. Any natural product has fluctuations. There is no man made global warming crisis. The climate has fluctuated thousands of times before humans populated the earth. There have been millions of hurricanes hitting the Gulf coast before we even learned to use fire. This dingleberry is nothing more than a Michael Moore sphincter sniffer, who thinks America is the cause if every problem in the world. He is wasting court resources. He is a whiny little turd who’s still pissed off about the 2000 election.
Ann Vaira Mentalist: Typical response from you left wing effete snobs. I was making a point of the lunacy of these frivolous suits and you go right to name calling. I guess that’s one reason why there are so mant red states; people are sick and tired of your B.S.
I am next door to the people’s republic of VT in NH and understand why this guy is upset as I am also upset with man-made climate changes but I think this belongs in the Congress and not a court. And I also agree that it has nothing to do with insurance. What is it doing here? Another right wing plot to smoke out us tree huggers who work in insurance?Is that the insurance angle?
Interesting points made by all here. Ann, osmosis, well actually, reverse osmosis is not the â€Åâ€Ŕend all†in the production of maple syrup. It is merely a more efficient means of separating the sugar and water. Boiling is always involved. And this particular farm in Vermont seemed to have a fantastic year of maple production just a few years ago.(in 1996 maple syrup production in the state of Vermont was up 43 percent from 1995) It seems that this litigation is not some much about global warming as it is about free speech and political agenda. Kudos for the â€Åâ€Ŕout of the box†thinking of the attorneys involved. Having a Vermont farmer suing our government…for a global issue…priceless! I bet he even looks a little like Jimmy Stewart.
The next suit will be from the horses pulling the sugar wagon. Or is it the Honey Wagon