I, for one, do not have an expectation of privacy if I am out in public. So what if my license plate is recorded on their video equipment. I am legally where I am and so have no fear of getting recorded.
Cameras in public have been a deterrent to crime in England and I am willing to let them continue to use their video equipment.
How many times have bank robbers and theives in convenience stores been aprehended because their images were captured on video.
I think it’s about time. All major cities should have them in place. Way to go NYC. Too safeguard the innocent from the radical,terrorist, murdering thugs, something should be put in place. If these innocent people “just going about there business” have nothing to hide, then why should they worry. Saftey should supercede any cry concerning civil liberties.
I wish there were more government cameras. For instance in my bedroom would be nice. Im ripping into all kind of back side and I want it on camera and I want everyone to know!! Im leaving the lights on for a reason.
The ACLU (of which the NYCLU is a member) is at it’s lunatic best. Driving is a privilege not a right. If the state who grants privilege wants to monitor my exposed license plate on a public street there is no infringement of any right. They are so nuts
The NYCLU needs a swift blow to the head. They are f’ing crazy to think and/or believe that people have/deserve an expectation of privacy in the public domain. Once a person walks into of his/her house/apartment that is when all expectation of privacy ends. The cameras are great and keep them coming.
Let me preface my remarks by saying I’m 100% in support of doing anything that keeps us safe from the whack jobs who are trying to destroy us. Having said that, what is the benefit of monitoring license plates? Example: a certain ethnic person from a certain middle eastern country comes here to do something nasty. He rents a car, and cruises lower manhattan. The police get the rental car license plate. So what? Once these idiots are in the country and on the streets of lower Manhattan it TOO LATE!!!!
Will that prevent Ahkmed from wearing an explosive vest and walking anywhere he pleases? I doubt it. We do a great job of reacting to things but an incredibly poor and embarassing job of being proactive. Example: one idiot tries to put an explosive in his shoe and now everyone in the world has to take their shoes off at airports. How many shoe bombers have been caught since? With the possible exception of the NYSE, there’s nothing left to blow up downtown. The horse is out of the barn. The damage done. Let’s do something that will make a difference. Who’s being held accountable for spending the $81MM?
“Who’s being held accountable for spending the $81MM?”
Answer: nobody. However, the known “defense” budget prior to 9/11 was at least $400 billion. See how all that money prevented terrorism? If anyone believes that government employees/politicians ever take accountability for their actions or failures (which are one & the same), I have some wonderful land in Florida to sell you. Government’s motto: “Work for us! Screw up and you’ll get more money and power! If the people who pay your salary ever question your actions, we’ll have them killed!”
It’s a simple question I am asking and it never gets a straight answer from liberals. You all fall into lock step and haul out all the garbage you are told to repeat. The Clinton Administration had a lot of convicted criminals and that didn’t seem to bother you. It bothers me more that people like you think its ok to shut up people like me who might have an opinion different from yours. Free speech is only for the right kind of speech. Anything else is hate speech. Why don’t you crawl back in your hole or just let the question be answered. What rights have you personally lost? Not some other person. You. None. I don’t think anyone from the evil Bush Administration cares about a moron like you. Oh yes, being a “master” does have serious politically incorrect connotations and you should be careful.
My daughter’s neighborhood in Chicago had a camera installed some time back. The area has improved incredibly for people of all colors and political pursuations. It doesn’t look into anybody’s windows and helps keep down crime. I think if any of you who overreact to the thought of cameras actually talked to people in these neighborhoods you might find they really like the cameras. They are only in PUBLIC AREAS. Great idea.
I hate to let you in on a secret, but the real clowns are the ones waiting to take over the presidency. You think you pay taxes and have government intrusion in your life now, just wait for the Democrats to take over completely, which they probably will. They come our almost daily with more ways to take more money in taxes and “fees” for financing their pet projects to be put into place when they are in charge. Republicans haven’t shown fiscal responsibility under this administration, but wait for the real professional spenders to get the oval office. Tax the rich, anyone who has an income is rich to them.
When Clinton left office didn’t this country has a surplus instead of the $9 trillion we now have? Yes, bad demos! Oh, don’t attack me till you know me. I am a centrist and neither dem or rep.
The budget surplus at the end of Clinton’s reign had more to do with the economic bubble that the country experienced in the 90’s than anything Clinton did as president to affect spending. The gov’t simply had more tax revenue coming in than it was used to. As much as we like to pretend that the president can control the economy, it is much bigger than the president.
This is now the major tactic used by the neo-con talk show hosts. It goes something like this: a caller comments that the current administration is fascist because it is trampling over virtually every liberty that people should have (e.g., wireless phone taps, spying, torture, removal of habeas corpus). The talk show host then badgers the caller with questions like, “well, Mr. Smith, tell me what liberties have you lost personally? Have you been tortured? Has your computer been seized? ad nauseam.” Then the caller says “no,” and the host concludes that the caller has no right to complain and that everything is peachy.
O.K., let’s apply that standard differently to Nobody and also Messrs. Savage, Limbaugh, Hannity, et. al. They all will scream in anyone’s face “terrorism is the worst threat we face today!! The government is justified in doing anything it wants to protect us!!! If Bush & Co. don’t do this millions will die tomorrow!!! Anyone who disagrees should be thrown in a concentration camp!!” Alright, have you ever had an airplane flown into your house? Has anyone with a shoe bomb ever sat down at your dining room table? Has Osama Bin Laden picked your front door lock and stolen your silverware? Has an “Islamofascist” strapped a bomb to himself and burst into your children’s classroom? What’s that? You say “no” to all the foregoing? Well then you have no justification for complaining.
Under the Savage/Limbaugh/Hannity/other clones standard, no man who hasn’t been raped has anyright to complain about it. If you open your mouth and say that the Nazis shouldn’t have killed Jews, your comments mean nothing because, after all, have you been personally affected by the Holocaust?
I’m with you; I’ve had enough of paternalistic, evangelical right wing govenment. Thanks for the high taxes, the billions in red ink, the spying and lying, the double standard for “torture”, the politics of fear (that dems will allow more terrorist attacks), the attorney general joined at the hip to the white house and did I mention the war without end AMEN? I’m willing to try the other flavor for a couple of years.
Bulls**T! the reason for the surplus was the balanced budget amendment that the republicans passed and forced Clinton to adhere to….the red ink started when people like my neighbor got a $90,000 rebate from Dubya, while I got $300… It amazes me how you want to spin that, when the red ink started immediately after the refunds….
Your words: “It bothers me more that people like you think its ok to shut up people like me who might have an opinion different from yours”…you are the one who trotted out the labels (as if liberal is a bad word)in order to blast everyone who doesn’t agree with you. As for the Clinton people being criminals,what I really can’t stomach is the right wing smugness from thinking that you have a lock on the truth or anything righteous…you don’t mind telling everyone else how bad they are but don’t own a mirror? Just listen to yourself…and maybe start thinking for YOURself instead of the lock-step, goosestep your walking in….
Come on folks – this discussion should try to stay on track. It was about police scsanning license plates near gound zero.
As so often, some of you get up on your political soapboxes and stray so far from the topic under discussion that we don’t knwo how or why you got there – probably for no other reason that to spout your particular brand of political belief.
It would be nice to come into a topic and see people stick to the subject for a change.
I, for one, do not have an expectation of privacy if I am out in public. So what if my license plate is recorded on their video equipment. I am legally where I am and so have no fear of getting recorded.
Cameras in public have been a deterrent to crime in England and I am willing to let them continue to use their video equipment.
How many times have bank robbers and theives in convenience stores been aprehended because their images were captured on video.
I view the cameras as protecting me from crime.
Keep it up, guys, I want to be safe.
I think it’s about time. All major cities should have them in place. Way to go NYC. Too safeguard the innocent from the radical,terrorist, murdering thugs, something should be put in place. If these innocent people “just going about there business” have nothing to hide, then why should they worry. Saftey should supercede any cry concerning civil liberties.
Nick Boston, MA
I wish there were more government cameras. For instance in my bedroom would be nice. Im ripping into all kind of back side and I want it on camera and I want everyone to know!! Im leaving the lights on for a reason.
The ACLU (of which the NYCLU is a member) is at it’s lunatic best. Driving is a privilege not a right. If the state who grants privilege wants to monitor my exposed license plate on a public street there is no infringement of any right. They are so nuts
The NYCLU needs a swift blow to the head. They are f’ing crazy to think and/or believe that people have/deserve an expectation of privacy in the public domain. Once a person walks into of his/her house/apartment that is when all expectation of privacy ends. The cameras are great and keep them coming.
Let me preface my remarks by saying I’m 100% in support of doing anything that keeps us safe from the whack jobs who are trying to destroy us. Having said that, what is the benefit of monitoring license plates? Example: a certain ethnic person from a certain middle eastern country comes here to do something nasty. He rents a car, and cruises lower manhattan. The police get the rental car license plate. So what? Once these idiots are in the country and on the streets of lower Manhattan it TOO LATE!!!!
Will that prevent Ahkmed from wearing an explosive vest and walking anywhere he pleases? I doubt it. We do a great job of reacting to things but an incredibly poor and embarassing job of being proactive. Example: one idiot tries to put an explosive in his shoe and now everyone in the world has to take their shoes off at airports. How many shoe bombers have been caught since? With the possible exception of the NYSE, there’s nothing left to blow up downtown. The horse is out of the barn. The damage done. Let’s do something that will make a difference. Who’s being held accountable for spending the $81MM?
“Who’s being held accountable for spending the $81MM?”
Answer: nobody. However, the known “defense” budget prior to 9/11 was at least $400 billion. See how all that money prevented terrorism? If anyone believes that government employees/politicians ever take accountability for their actions or failures (which are one & the same), I have some wonderful land in Florida to sell you. Government’s motto: “Work for us! Screw up and you’ll get more money and power! If the people who pay your salary ever question your actions, we’ll have them killed!”
It’s a simple question I am asking and it never gets a straight answer from liberals. You all fall into lock step and haul out all the garbage you are told to repeat. The Clinton Administration had a lot of convicted criminals and that didn’t seem to bother you. It bothers me more that people like you think its ok to shut up people like me who might have an opinion different from yours. Free speech is only for the right kind of speech. Anything else is hate speech. Why don’t you crawl back in your hole or just let the question be answered. What rights have you personally lost? Not some other person. You. None. I don’t think anyone from the evil Bush Administration cares about a moron like you. Oh yes, being a “master” does have serious politically incorrect connotations and you should be careful.
My daughter’s neighborhood in Chicago had a camera installed some time back. The area has improved incredibly for people of all colors and political pursuations. It doesn’t look into anybody’s windows and helps keep down crime. I think if any of you who overreact to the thought of cameras actually talked to people in these neighborhoods you might find they really like the cameras. They are only in PUBLIC AREAS. Great idea.
I cannot wait til these clowns are out of office.
I hate to let you in on a secret, but the real clowns are the ones waiting to take over the presidency. You think you pay taxes and have government intrusion in your life now, just wait for the Democrats to take over completely, which they probably will. They come our almost daily with more ways to take more money in taxes and “fees” for financing their pet projects to be put into place when they are in charge. Republicans haven’t shown fiscal responsibility under this administration, but wait for the real professional spenders to get the oval office. Tax the rich, anyone who has an income is rich to them.
this is why we need to elect Democrats. They will protect our civil rights rather than trample all over them
When Clinton left office didn’t this country has a surplus instead of the $9 trillion we now have? Yes, bad demos! Oh, don’t attack me till you know me. I am a centrist and neither dem or rep.
The budget surplus at the end of Clinton’s reign had more to do with the economic bubble that the country experienced in the 90’s than anything Clinton did as president to affect spending. The gov’t simply had more tax revenue coming in than it was used to. As much as we like to pretend that the president can control the economy, it is much bigger than the president.
Gee, what rights have you personally lost under this administration? YOU, not someone else. The sad thing is most people really believe this garbage.
This is now the major tactic used by the neo-con talk show hosts. It goes something like this: a caller comments that the current administration is fascist because it is trampling over virtually every liberty that people should have (e.g., wireless phone taps, spying, torture, removal of habeas corpus). The talk show host then badgers the caller with questions like, “well, Mr. Smith, tell me what liberties have you lost personally? Have you been tortured? Has your computer been seized? ad nauseam.” Then the caller says “no,” and the host concludes that the caller has no right to complain and that everything is peachy.
O.K., let’s apply that standard differently to Nobody and also Messrs. Savage, Limbaugh, Hannity, et. al. They all will scream in anyone’s face “terrorism is the worst threat we face today!! The government is justified in doing anything it wants to protect us!!! If Bush & Co. don’t do this millions will die tomorrow!!! Anyone who disagrees should be thrown in a concentration camp!!” Alright, have you ever had an airplane flown into your house? Has anyone with a shoe bomb ever sat down at your dining room table? Has Osama Bin Laden picked your front door lock and stolen your silverware? Has an “Islamofascist” strapped a bomb to himself and burst into your children’s classroom? What’s that? You say “no” to all the foregoing? Well then you have no justification for complaining.
Under the Savage/Limbaugh/Hannity/other clones standard, no man who hasn’t been raped has anyright to complain about it. If you open your mouth and say that the Nazis shouldn’t have killed Jews, your comments mean nothing because, after all, have you been personally affected by the Holocaust?
I’m with you; I’ve had enough of paternalistic, evangelical right wing govenment. Thanks for the high taxes, the billions in red ink, the spying and lying, the double standard for “torture”, the politics of fear (that dems will allow more terrorist attacks), the attorney general joined at the hip to the white house and did I mention the war without end AMEN? I’m willing to try the other flavor for a couple of years.
Bulls**T! the reason for the surplus was the balanced budget amendment that the republicans passed and forced Clinton to adhere to….the red ink started when people like my neighbor got a $90,000 rebate from Dubya, while I got $300… It amazes me how you want to spin that, when the red ink started immediately after the refunds….
Your words: “It bothers me more that people like you think its ok to shut up people like me who might have an opinion different from yours”…you are the one who trotted out the labels (as if liberal is a bad word)in order to blast everyone who doesn’t agree with you. As for the Clinton people being criminals,what I really can’t stomach is the right wing smugness from thinking that you have a lock on the truth or anything righteous…you don’t mind telling everyone else how bad they are but don’t own a mirror? Just listen to yourself…and maybe start thinking for YOURself instead of the lock-step, goosestep your walking in….
Come on folks – this discussion should try to stay on track. It was about police scsanning license plates near gound zero.
As so often, some of you get up on your political soapboxes and stray so far from the topic under discussion that we don’t knwo how or why you got there – probably for no other reason that to spout your particular brand of political belief.
It would be nice to come into a topic and see people stick to the subject for a change.
So, thanks for ruining another thread…