Jail is not supposed to be preschool, where they give you ice cream and balloons. And prison does nothing anymore but house them for however long they have to. With full benefits and three square meals a day, BTW.
If one criminal beats the crap out of the other, so what????? Doing something to someone else is what got them there in the first place. Guess they don’t like it when the tables are turned, huh.
Dawn – i hope your post is serious. You are the only other voice of reason in this matter. Who cares if these criminals were beaten by other criminals while in jail. Hello, they ARE CRIMINALS and do not deserve rights. It’s sickening that criminals are treated better than our elderly, sick, homeless, etc.
Not all people in county jails are violent offenders. Businesspersons such as ourselves can find their way to the County for committing DUI’s, pot possession, failure to pay support, failure to pay traffic tickets, shoplifting etc etc To say inmates deserve to be tortured while incarcerated is shocking to me.
Very serious. I deeply resent the fact that a killer, rapist, child molester, etc has full health/dental coverage, AC/heat, a roof over their heads, and three meals a day when so many law abiding, hard-working citizens don’t. AND has the right to sue the state because he doesn’t like his current living arrangements.
You didn’t mention one thing in that list that you couldn’t stop yourself from doing if you were actually afraid of the punishment. If shoplifters went to county and got beat up the first time instead of the 500th, guess what????? Prices would go down due to lower contingencies for theft in stock/ins premium.
If someone got sent to jail and got beat up for their 1st driving without license or insurance, guess what????? OUR UM would go down.
I don’t shoplift, I don’t drink and drive, I don’t smoke pot, and guess what? I’ll never get beat up in jail. Not that hard to figure out.
Besides, it’s wasn’t in ‘lock up’. These weren’t people that were accused. They had already been convicted and sentenced. And another BTW for you. You don’t go to jail for your first offense for most of the crimes you apparently feel are ‘ok’ to commit.
I’ve got to say, that while prisoners shouldn’t have to put up with physical abuse while in prison I don’t feel sorry for them when it happens. It’s pretty dang easy to stay out of prison – most of us have managed to go our whole lives without seeing the inside of one. So while they don’t deserve the beating, I’m not going to cry over it. They made their choice when they broke the law.
if i was a security guard at one of these jails where this happened, i am not stepping in with the whole lot of them and only 1 of me. now, if smart, i might have taken a fire hose and watered down the whole bunch whil waiting on reinforcment.
it much easier to stay out of trub, instead of getting into and heading to jail (w/o passing go). if inmates can get money for this treatment, cud not have dohmer’s parents sued because the inmates go to him? afterall, it was almost a forgone conclusion, he was going to be dead. everyone knew that was gonig to happen. we did not hear anything like that – lawsuit because it was allowed to happen.
I can tell my reading some comments that there are those who just dont care about anything including there fellow human beings .. these kind of people are animals and should be killed.
if you dont care and you dont have sympathy … you dont deserve to live.
thats my opinion .. and I dont care what yours is … people deserve respect when they are in some one else’s care.
Tell that to
Jessica Lundsford
Anthony Sears
Donna Manson
Susan Elaine Rancourt
Kathy Parks
Brenda Baker
Brenda Ball
Georgeann Hawkins
Janice Ott
Denise Naslund
Jane Doe
Nancy Wilcox
Melissa Smith
Laura Aimee
Debbie Kent
Caryn Campbell
Julie Cunningham
Denise Oliverson
Melanie Cooley
Lynette Culver
Susan Curtis
Shelley Robertson
Nancy Baird
Debbie Smith
Lisa Levy
Margaret Bowman
Kimberly Ann Leach
What? Don’t recognize those names? You should. You’re saying the men that brutally raped and killed them deserved protection. If they didn’t get protection, why should the men that took their lives? Jessica was 11 and Kimberly was 12. Who’s looking out for their ‘rights’?
I’m about the victim. That’s all I care about. The fact that the men who killed these people are dead only makes me sorry they weren’t tortured first, like they did their victims.
I can send you links for photos and autopsies, if you like. IF you still feel those men should have been protected, YOU don’t deserve to live, IMHO.
Dawn. What does CARE, CUSTODY, and CONTROL mean to you? Regardless of the crime, rightful or wrongful incarceration or imprisonment, the insurance general liability contract affords coverage for the CARE, CUSTODY, and CONTROL of prisoners. You are so blinded by the “eye for an eye” Bible 1st Testament mentality. I’ve handled these types of cases. A real life situation: A teenage kid speeding through a small town in the South was stopped and issued a speeding ticket. The kid argued with the policeman who then hauled him off to jail. He was jailed overnight and placed in a jail cell with a hardened criminal. The kid was beaten and raped! By reading your comments, you’d probably sing Glory Hallelujah, raise your arms in victory, and scream out ‘YES’!!! To you, the kid deserved it because of the speeding ticket and for arguing with the cop! We paid the claim. Dawn, hope you have no kids who may commit a misdemeanor during their young lives. Or, God forbid, be wrongfully accused and incarcerated. It happens.
Has anyone ever read about women and men who specifically seek an incarcerated boyfriend or girlfriend? (Even some who marry inmates!)
I watched something on TV about that not long ago… about how Scott Peterson receives all sorts of correspondence from women who are interested in him romantically.
Does anyone else find that totally odd? I wonder what the attraction is?
I mean, the ‘bad boy’ image is one thing, but there’s a huge difference between ‘bad boy’ and ‘murderer’. Creepy!
I tend to agree with you, Dawn. Violent offenders don’t get a drop of sympathy from me.
Non-violent offenders, on the other hand… that’s a little different. They deserve whatever punishment the court deems necessary, but not torture.
Sick. That’s the word I use. Ted Bundy was married IN PRISON. There are dating websites for felons and persons seeking them out. Some of them are in for the thrill, some of them are like the posters here that feel they deserve another chance or can be ‘saved’. Unfortunately, some of them are looking for ‘mentors’ for their chosen criminal life. Those are the ones that REALLY scare me.
The one thing that isn’t mentioned in the article is what the prisoners that are suing were convicted of. County jail is a far cry from state or federal prisons. Am I feeling bad because they got beat down? No. Someone, somewhere got hurt because of them. Even if it was a financial injury. I work hard for what little I have, and if someone took it from me, I’d be up for a smack down.
It’s not like they were waterboarded. (which, BTW, I had no problem with for the three prisoners that has a lot of people in an uproar)
So when you commit a crime you give up every basic human right? I certainly don’t believe that the prison should go out of its way to treat this people nicely, but there is a cruel and unusual punishment. For the rapists, and murderers, that is a different story. We don’t know what they did.
On the waterboarding subject, people are in an uproar because it violates the Geneva Convention (I believe that is the one) and torture has been proven ineffective. There are certain laws and rules that govern the world. Just because some people (criminals and terrorists) cannot follow them, doesn’t mean we can become justified in our barbaric responses. Also, the other issue is that the government is trying to sweep the whole issue under the rug. That is what also has people in a uproar.
If you completely disregard another human being’s ‘basic rights’, IMHO, you give up any claim to ‘basic rights’ yourself.
We’re not going to win against Al Quiada anymore then we’ve won the war on drugs if we play by rules and they don’t. Kind of like bringing a knife to an automatic machine gun fight.
There were three men waterboarded – one was a mastermind behind 911, another beheaded a reporter while he begged for mercy on videotape. If the third was anything like the first two? Works for me.
IF the punishment was severe enough, the prisons might not be so full or repeat offenders.
I’m going to take it in the shorts from some people, but here goes.
You can not ignore the basic rights of humanity and still call yourself a civilized society. Part of being civilized and free is recognizing there are people out there who will hurt you. Remember the whole “never throw the first punch” bit? Kind of like that. Prisoners do deserve humane treatment, habeus corpus, and protection from undue harm. Do they deserve to have the right to sue if they get beat up? Only if the guard is the one doing the beating.
Dawn – in general you can’t win against people who hate you by becoming like them. There are some caveats to that, because even a civilized society must be prepared to defend itself with violent measures. I’m all for bombing the crud out of people that attack us; for sending in soldiers when a country has harmed us; for responding with such violence of action that people who hate us think twice about acting on that hatred. I’m not for torture. There are other means of getting information, and quite frankly torture has been proven unreliable time and again. People will say anything to get the pain to stop – true or false.
I may seem to swing both ways on this one, but for me it all comes down to motive. I’m for defending ourselves and I’m all for responding to an attack. I do not believe in curtailing my liberties because of fear. The terrorists won the second I had to take my clothes off at the airport. They won when I couldn’t bring fingernail clippers in my carry-on, or toothpaste, or water. Terrorists want us to live in fear, and they have succeeded on many fronts. You want to beat terrorists, stop living in fear.
Back to prisoners – no sympathy from me for the prisoner-on-prisoner violence. Don’t break the law and you won’t have to worry about it.
I swing to any direction that will win with the least amount of innocent lives lost – Gov’t calls them collateral damage. Bombing the crap out of someone that attacks us? Go for it. But too often there are innocents caught in that. (BTW- what makes that different from a bombing by the ‘other side’ that takes out innocents?)
Getting answers from guilty parties with as little ‘collateral damage’ is the best way. No matter how we manage to get that intel. I’d rather torture 10 members of Al Quiada and hunt down their friends then bomb one city and kill one innocent child in the process.
Besides, we spend $1M bombing the cities, then $10B rebuilding them. So my plan would be cost effective, too.
If only people could keep their mouths shut and keep it off youtube…………
I say bomb, but don’t rebuild. I’ve never understood that part. It’s not like we garner goodwill with the rebuilding.
And the difference in the bombings is that we wouldn’t be attacking, we’d be defending. It’s a small difference, but powerful. I don’t hit people unless they hit me first. It means I’m open to being hurt, but the other guy will pay dearly if he takes the shot. I’d rather live that way than go around punching everyone who acts like they’re going to hurt me. The same goes for how I want my country to act. I’m willing to risk my life and the lives of my loved ones on that.
My apologies to dawn, in the broad brush of rhetoric .. if I was to tune up my words I will say .. your right on dawn.’
My words where an expression of concern that some times inmate gaurds show a lack of… if as indicated the facts where true in the story and article about the county inmates.
When there are those who commit brutal crimes to children and other victoms .. then that is a whole differant ball game and I have no sympathy for people like that .. but lets say at a county jail .. a guy who got busted for having a joint and then the gaurds allow this inmate to get beat simply for their entertainment .. then that is what my comments where leading to and against.
Teenager? I never said anything about putting kids in with career felons.
We’re back to specifics. Down here, if you’re ‘hauled in’ for any traffic citation, you’re held in ‘lock up’ NOT jail. Most times bail is set right from there and they never see the inside of the jail unless they are convicted and sentenced. So yes, putting anyone in jail without a conviction would be wrong. We’re not talking about suspects in the case above. We’re talking about convicted criminals. BIG difference.
And to correct you- I’m not ‘blinded by and eye for an eye’. I’m indifferent to their comfort. Another BIG difference. I’m against spending tax dollars made by honest working citizens to take care of them. You do realize that victims families tax dollars are in that lot? Do you really think Jessica Lundsford’s father should be paying his taxes to take care of the man that killed his daughter? Let it be voluntary. You want to take care of criminals? Great! Check off a little box and send the IRS an additional $500. Let’s see how much money they get to take care of them from the bleeding hearts that whine about how they should be treated.
My honest opinion was that John Carpenter had the best idea. Remember ‘Escape from New York’? Great idea. Give them an island, drop food in and let darwin theory take over. No medical, no dental, no nothing. Take that money and raise the SS for honest people that worked for 35 years and can’t afford what they’ve been getting for free. They could even abolish the death penalty at that point for all I care. As long as I didn’t have to pay to take care of them and worry about them someday walking the streets again, I’d be fine.
See my post above. Having a joint is a misdemeanor unless you have over an ounce. Jail wouldn’t be an option unless you’ve been picked up several times. I believe possession without intent to distribute carries $150 fine and 6 mths probation. First time DUI is much heavier, but no jail time until the third offense (supposedly, but most times they don’t see the inside of a jail until they kill someone). Sholifting is pretty much the same. No jail until about the 5th offense for under, I believe, $1200. Lots of fines, community service, etc. But no jail time until you go over the $1200 limit or get caught multiple times.
Like I said above, I’m talking about having no qualms about how convicted felons are treated. Another big difference. Misdemeanor vs felony. And if they were in jail for misdemeanors, it means they’ve been convicted of the same crime repeatedly. There goes my sympathy on that point, as well. Didn’t learn the first time, not going to suddenly see the error of their ways. I don’t even believe they should get ‘multiple chances’. If the next step would be jail instead of more community service, I do believe the shoplifting rate would drop. They know if they only take small amounts, they won’t go to jail.
Like I said, don’t break the law, don’t have to worry about getting beat up in jail.
Regarding the John Carpenter idea – I want to say it was Jeff Foxworthy, but it may have been another comdedian, that suggested fencing off a couple states nobody really needs and putting the whole thing on pay-per-view. It would be self-supporting.
That was George Carlin. Turn Kansas into a prison for violent offenders, and Colorado into a prison for sex offenders. Once a month, drop a sex offender in with the murderers. Sell tickets. It’s on the last concert- not the latest one about suicide, but the one before that.
Dawn. You like your money as much as I like mine. But, in this country, we all pay Taxes and Die. Remember the demonstrations against the Viet Nam War and the Draft Resisters? One big demand that they presented was I DON’T WANT MY TAX DOLLARS SUPPORTING THIS FILTHY WAR!!! Guess what…Taxes are not separable as to what they can be spend on. In other words, you cannot trace your tax dollar. If you are so dead set against it run for office with your mantra. Otherwise move out to that damn island where no one can bother you or tax you! In the meantime, we will be taxed and we will continue to GET THE CRIMINALS OFF THE STREET AND HOUSE AND CARE FOR THEM. We are more moral than they are because we are the Beacon on the Hill, we are the United States of America.
I hope you’re still as smug on your high horse if, God Forbid, YOU are the one being robbed by someone who has done time 4 times before for robbery or someone YOU love is found in a ditch murdered by someone YOU felt deserved to be taken care of. Not that I wish it on you, I don’t. But I have discovered that a lot of bleeding hearts become stone cold when THEIR lives are the ones ruined. As long as you can pat yourself on the back and claim the moral highground, I guess you can sleep at night. As long as it’s someone ELSE who is the victim.
Dawn, you are way out in some nether field. Yes, all those things you mentioned have occured to our family! Yet, hurtful as the things done to us, including your insinuations, we look to a PRINCIPLED LIFE. Once we let people like you and those damn criminals dictate to us, then you and those criminals have won. No, we refuse to let the likes of you and them, to lead our lives.
Okay and this wouldn’t have happened eventually and much worse? People please!
WOW And though prison was supposed to rehabilitate you and make you a better person. Maybe they have too much free time
Jail is not supposed to be preschool, where they give you ice cream and balloons. And prison does nothing anymore but house them for however long they have to. With full benefits and three square meals a day, BTW.
If one criminal beats the crap out of the other, so what????? Doing something to someone else is what got them there in the first place. Guess they don’t like it when the tables are turned, huh.
Dawn – i hope your post is serious. You are the only other voice of reason in this matter. Who cares if these criminals were beaten by other criminals while in jail. Hello, they ARE CRIMINALS and do not deserve rights. It’s sickening that criminals are treated better than our elderly, sick, homeless, etc.
Not all people in county jails are violent offenders. Businesspersons such as ourselves can find their way to the County for committing DUI’s, pot possession, failure to pay support, failure to pay traffic tickets, shoplifting etc etc To say inmates deserve to be tortured while incarcerated is shocking to me.
Very serious. I deeply resent the fact that a killer, rapist, child molester, etc has full health/dental coverage, AC/heat, a roof over their heads, and three meals a day when so many law abiding, hard-working citizens don’t. AND has the right to sue the state because he doesn’t like his current living arrangements.
You didn’t mention one thing in that list that you couldn’t stop yourself from doing if you were actually afraid of the punishment. If shoplifters went to county and got beat up the first time instead of the 500th, guess what????? Prices would go down due to lower contingencies for theft in stock/ins premium.
If someone got sent to jail and got beat up for their 1st driving without license or insurance, guess what????? OUR UM would go down.
I don’t shoplift, I don’t drink and drive, I don’t smoke pot, and guess what? I’ll never get beat up in jail. Not that hard to figure out.
Besides, it’s wasn’t in ‘lock up’. These weren’t people that were accused. They had already been convicted and sentenced. And another BTW for you. You don’t go to jail for your first offense for most of the crimes you apparently feel are ‘ok’ to commit.
I’ve got to say, that while prisoners shouldn’t have to put up with physical abuse while in prison I don’t feel sorry for them when it happens. It’s pretty dang easy to stay out of prison – most of us have managed to go our whole lives without seeing the inside of one. So while they don’t deserve the beating, I’m not going to cry over it. They made their choice when they broke the law.
http://www.fox11az.com/news/topstories/stories/kmsb-20080207-apjc-mothrefreed.9bb7b5a6.html
if i was a security guard at one of these jails where this happened, i am not stepping in with the whole lot of them and only 1 of me. now, if smart, i might have taken a fire hose and watered down the whole bunch whil waiting on reinforcment.
it much easier to stay out of trub, instead of getting into and heading to jail (w/o passing go). if inmates can get money for this treatment, cud not have dohmer’s parents sued because the inmates go to him? afterall, it was almost a forgone conclusion, he was going to be dead. everyone knew that was gonig to happen. we did not hear anything like that – lawsuit because it was allowed to happen.
I can tell my reading some comments that there are those who just dont care about anything including there fellow human beings .. these kind of people are animals and should be killed.
if you dont care and you dont have sympathy … you dont deserve to live.
thats my opinion .. and I dont care what yours is … people deserve respect when they are in some one else’s care.
Tell that to
Jessica Lundsford
Anthony Sears
Donna Manson
Susan Elaine Rancourt
Kathy Parks
Brenda Baker
Brenda Ball
Georgeann Hawkins
Janice Ott
Denise Naslund
Jane Doe
Nancy Wilcox
Melissa Smith
Laura Aimee
Debbie Kent
Caryn Campbell
Julie Cunningham
Denise Oliverson
Melanie Cooley
Lynette Culver
Susan Curtis
Shelley Robertson
Nancy Baird
Debbie Smith
Lisa Levy
Margaret Bowman
Kimberly Ann Leach
What? Don’t recognize those names? You should. You’re saying the men that brutally raped and killed them deserved protection. If they didn’t get protection, why should the men that took their lives? Jessica was 11 and Kimberly was 12. Who’s looking out for their ‘rights’?
I’m about the victim. That’s all I care about. The fact that the men who killed these people are dead only makes me sorry they weren’t tortured first, like they did their victims.
I can send you links for photos and autopsies, if you like. IF you still feel those men should have been protected, YOU don’t deserve to live, IMHO.
Dawn. What does CARE, CUSTODY, and CONTROL mean to you? Regardless of the crime, rightful or wrongful incarceration or imprisonment, the insurance general liability contract affords coverage for the CARE, CUSTODY, and CONTROL of prisoners. You are so blinded by the “eye for an eye” Bible 1st Testament mentality. I’ve handled these types of cases. A real life situation: A teenage kid speeding through a small town in the South was stopped and issued a speeding ticket. The kid argued with the policeman who then hauled him off to jail. He was jailed overnight and placed in a jail cell with a hardened criminal. The kid was beaten and raped! By reading your comments, you’d probably sing Glory Hallelujah, raise your arms in victory, and scream out ‘YES’!!! To you, the kid deserved it because of the speeding ticket and for arguing with the cop! We paid the claim. Dawn, hope you have no kids who may commit a misdemeanor during their young lives. Or, God forbid, be wrongfully accused and incarcerated. It happens.
Has anyone ever read about women and men who specifically seek an incarcerated boyfriend or girlfriend? (Even some who marry inmates!)
I watched something on TV about that not long ago… about how Scott Peterson receives all sorts of correspondence from women who are interested in him romantically.
Does anyone else find that totally odd? I wonder what the attraction is?
I mean, the ‘bad boy’ image is one thing, but there’s a huge difference between ‘bad boy’ and ‘murderer’. Creepy!
I tend to agree with you, Dawn. Violent offenders don’t get a drop of sympathy from me.
Non-violent offenders, on the other hand… that’s a little different. They deserve whatever punishment the court deems necessary, but not torture.
Sick. That’s the word I use. Ted Bundy was married IN PRISON. There are dating websites for felons and persons seeking them out. Some of them are in for the thrill, some of them are like the posters here that feel they deserve another chance or can be ‘saved’. Unfortunately, some of them are looking for ‘mentors’ for their chosen criminal life. Those are the ones that REALLY scare me.
The one thing that isn’t mentioned in the article is what the prisoners that are suing were convicted of. County jail is a far cry from state or federal prisons. Am I feeling bad because they got beat down? No. Someone, somewhere got hurt because of them. Even if it was a financial injury. I work hard for what little I have, and if someone took it from me, I’d be up for a smack down.
It’s not like they were waterboarded. (which, BTW, I had no problem with for the three prisoners that has a lot of people in an uproar)
So when you commit a crime you give up every basic human right? I certainly don’t believe that the prison should go out of its way to treat this people nicely, but there is a cruel and unusual punishment. For the rapists, and murderers, that is a different story. We don’t know what they did.
On the waterboarding subject, people are in an uproar because it violates the Geneva Convention (I believe that is the one) and torture has been proven ineffective. There are certain laws and rules that govern the world. Just because some people (criminals and terrorists) cannot follow them, doesn’t mean we can become justified in our barbaric responses. Also, the other issue is that the government is trying to sweep the whole issue under the rug. That is what also has people in a uproar.
If you completely disregard another human being’s ‘basic rights’, IMHO, you give up any claim to ‘basic rights’ yourself.
We’re not going to win against Al Quiada anymore then we’ve won the war on drugs if we play by rules and they don’t. Kind of like bringing a knife to an automatic machine gun fight.
There were three men waterboarded – one was a mastermind behind 911, another beheaded a reporter while he begged for mercy on videotape. If the third was anything like the first two? Works for me.
IF the punishment was severe enough, the prisons might not be so full or repeat offenders.
I’m going to take it in the shorts from some people, but here goes.
You can not ignore the basic rights of humanity and still call yourself a civilized society. Part of being civilized and free is recognizing there are people out there who will hurt you. Remember the whole “never throw the first punch” bit? Kind of like that. Prisoners do deserve humane treatment, habeus corpus, and protection from undue harm. Do they deserve to have the right to sue if they get beat up? Only if the guard is the one doing the beating.
Dawn – in general you can’t win against people who hate you by becoming like them. There are some caveats to that, because even a civilized society must be prepared to defend itself with violent measures. I’m all for bombing the crud out of people that attack us; for sending in soldiers when a country has harmed us; for responding with such violence of action that people who hate us think twice about acting on that hatred. I’m not for torture. There are other means of getting information, and quite frankly torture has been proven unreliable time and again. People will say anything to get the pain to stop – true or false.
I may seem to swing both ways on this one, but for me it all comes down to motive. I’m for defending ourselves and I’m all for responding to an attack. I do not believe in curtailing my liberties because of fear. The terrorists won the second I had to take my clothes off at the airport. They won when I couldn’t bring fingernail clippers in my carry-on, or toothpaste, or water. Terrorists want us to live in fear, and they have succeeded on many fronts. You want to beat terrorists, stop living in fear.
Back to prisoners – no sympathy from me for the prisoner-on-prisoner violence. Don’t break the law and you won’t have to worry about it.
I swing to any direction that will win with the least amount of innocent lives lost – Gov’t calls them collateral damage. Bombing the crap out of someone that attacks us? Go for it. But too often there are innocents caught in that. (BTW- what makes that different from a bombing by the ‘other side’ that takes out innocents?)
Getting answers from guilty parties with as little ‘collateral damage’ is the best way. No matter how we manage to get that intel. I’d rather torture 10 members of Al Quiada and hunt down their friends then bomb one city and kill one innocent child in the process.
Besides, we spend $1M bombing the cities, then $10B rebuilding them. So my plan would be cost effective, too.
If only people could keep their mouths shut and keep it off youtube…………
I say bomb, but don’t rebuild. I’ve never understood that part. It’s not like we garner goodwill with the rebuilding.
And the difference in the bombings is that we wouldn’t be attacking, we’d be defending. It’s a small difference, but powerful. I don’t hit people unless they hit me first. It means I’m open to being hurt, but the other guy will pay dearly if he takes the shot. I’d rather live that way than go around punching everyone who acts like they’re going to hurt me. The same goes for how I want my country to act. I’m willing to risk my life and the lives of my loved ones on that.
My apologies to dawn, in the broad brush of rhetoric .. if I was to tune up my words I will say .. your right on dawn.’
My words where an expression of concern that some times inmate gaurds show a lack of… if as indicated the facts where true in the story and article about the county inmates.
When there are those who commit brutal crimes to children and other victoms .. then that is a whole differant ball game and I have no sympathy for people like that .. but lets say at a county jail .. a guy who got busted for having a joint and then the gaurds allow this inmate to get beat simply for their entertainment .. then that is what my comments where leading to and against.
abuse of authority .. by not taking action ..
Teenager? I never said anything about putting kids in with career felons.
We’re back to specifics. Down here, if you’re ‘hauled in’ for any traffic citation, you’re held in ‘lock up’ NOT jail. Most times bail is set right from there and they never see the inside of the jail unless they are convicted and sentenced. So yes, putting anyone in jail without a conviction would be wrong. We’re not talking about suspects in the case above. We’re talking about convicted criminals. BIG difference.
And to correct you- I’m not ‘blinded by and eye for an eye’. I’m indifferent to their comfort. Another BIG difference. I’m against spending tax dollars made by honest working citizens to take care of them. You do realize that victims families tax dollars are in that lot? Do you really think Jessica Lundsford’s father should be paying his taxes to take care of the man that killed his daughter? Let it be voluntary. You want to take care of criminals? Great! Check off a little box and send the IRS an additional $500. Let’s see how much money they get to take care of them from the bleeding hearts that whine about how they should be treated.
My honest opinion was that John Carpenter had the best idea. Remember ‘Escape from New York’? Great idea. Give them an island, drop food in and let darwin theory take over. No medical, no dental, no nothing. Take that money and raise the SS for honest people that worked for 35 years and can’t afford what they’ve been getting for free. They could even abolish the death penalty at that point for all I care. As long as I didn’t have to pay to take care of them and worry about them someday walking the streets again, I’d be fine.
See my post above. Having a joint is a misdemeanor unless you have over an ounce. Jail wouldn’t be an option unless you’ve been picked up several times. I believe possession without intent to distribute carries $150 fine and 6 mths probation. First time DUI is much heavier, but no jail time until the third offense (supposedly, but most times they don’t see the inside of a jail until they kill someone). Sholifting is pretty much the same. No jail until about the 5th offense for under, I believe, $1200. Lots of fines, community service, etc. But no jail time until you go over the $1200 limit or get caught multiple times.
Like I said above, I’m talking about having no qualms about how convicted felons are treated. Another big difference. Misdemeanor vs felony. And if they were in jail for misdemeanors, it means they’ve been convicted of the same crime repeatedly. There goes my sympathy on that point, as well. Didn’t learn the first time, not going to suddenly see the error of their ways. I don’t even believe they should get ‘multiple chances’. If the next step would be jail instead of more community service, I do believe the shoplifting rate would drop. They know if they only take small amounts, they won’t go to jail.
Like I said, don’t break the law, don’t have to worry about getting beat up in jail.
Regarding the John Carpenter idea – I want to say it was Jeff Foxworthy, but it may have been another comdedian, that suggested fencing off a couple states nobody really needs and putting the whole thing on pay-per-view. It would be self-supporting.
That was George Carlin. Turn Kansas into a prison for violent offenders, and Colorado into a prison for sex offenders. Once a month, drop a sex offender in with the murderers. Sell tickets. It’s on the last concert- not the latest one about suicide, but the one before that.
Gotta love him!
Dawn. You like your money as much as I like mine. But, in this country, we all pay Taxes and Die. Remember the demonstrations against the Viet Nam War and the Draft Resisters? One big demand that they presented was I DON’T WANT MY TAX DOLLARS SUPPORTING THIS FILTHY WAR!!! Guess what…Taxes are not separable as to what they can be spend on. In other words, you cannot trace your tax dollar. If you are so dead set against it run for office with your mantra. Otherwise move out to that damn island where no one can bother you or tax you! In the meantime, we will be taxed and we will continue to GET THE CRIMINALS OFF THE STREET AND HOUSE AND CARE FOR THEM. We are more moral than they are because we are the Beacon on the Hill, we are the United States of America.
I hope you’re still as smug on your high horse if, God Forbid, YOU are the one being robbed by someone who has done time 4 times before for robbery or someone YOU love is found in a ditch murdered by someone YOU felt deserved to be taken care of. Not that I wish it on you, I don’t. But I have discovered that a lot of bleeding hearts become stone cold when THEIR lives are the ones ruined. As long as you can pat yourself on the back and claim the moral highground, I guess you can sleep at night. As long as it’s someone ELSE who is the victim.
Dawn, you are way out in some nether field. Yes, all those things you mentioned have occured to our family! Yet, hurtful as the things done to us, including your insinuations, we look to a PRINCIPLED LIFE. Once we let people like you and those damn criminals dictate to us, then you and those criminals have won. No, we refuse to let the likes of you and them, to lead our lives.