The fire department was left in an impossible situation. They took action to satisfy what they perceived as a legal requirement, and then suit was brought based on the action they took to satisfy the law.
They are darned if they do and darned if they don’t.
Oh well, should at least give the Glenn Beckers fuel for the fire. This is the case Sotomayor ruled on which according to the right-wingers shows how she is a racist and shouldn’t be on the court. The Supreme Court, of course, which can never be accused of racism given its diverse makeup of… caucasian men (except for Sotomayor, once Ginsburg retires).
So people can pass this test only if they are caucasian? If you are black you cannot pass the written portion but if you are causasian you can? How does that work? Would you not all study the same course material? In my opinion no one should get anything special and all should be considered equal. So, study and pass the test everyone has to take. How can a white person and a black person study the same material, take the same test and then the test is unfair? Sounds like someone did not study or can’t write.
And the reason this black genius can’t handle the written portion is? Promotions generally require BOTH oral and written skills and abilities. Maybe they should just put pictures on the promotion exams and make it multiple choice.
The black firefighter’s position is really that blacks cannot read and write as well as whites? That by itself is a racist statement on HIS part, making a distinction that should not exist if, as they pose, there is no difference in ability to learn.
BTW, I believe there IS no difference in ability to learn between the races. If there is different scholastic performance it is tracable to social and cultural differences.
It was a catch 22 because, based on accusations of prejudice, the fire house felt they had to respond. However their response was also met with accusations of prejudice. Thus darned if they do, darned if they don’t.
I would think the fire house could care less and were just trying to keep from getting sued, which they then were (repeatedly).
It is an interesting case; I enjoyed reading this decision back during the Sotomayor Senate confirmation hearing.
Can someone explain why this black genius can’t handle the written portion? Getting promoted often involves written issues so testing for it is legit. Maybe they should just put pictures on the test and make it multiple choice so
In the New Haven case, 118 people took the promotion test. None of the African-American candidates scored high enough to be promoted. Only 2 of 29 Hispanics qualified.
Lawsuits have been successful in the past based on the claim that the test is not truly job-related and that the test has a “disparate impact” affecting one racial group over others.
This is a very tough case. How do you abide by Title VII ? The minority fire fighters had a potentially valid complaint– a job selection based on a test claimed to have disparate impact– however the majority fire fighters also had a valid complaint– the trashing of test results which they worked hard to obtain.
Agree with the law and precedent or not, one can easily see that the fire department was put between a rock and a hard place.
Whatever we do, we mustn’t reward hard work, sacrifice, and dedication.
The one fireman who passed the test, the one who sued I think, is dyslexic and couldn’t read well enough to study for the test. So he paid someone to read the study guide aloud into a tape recorder for him to listen to.
God forbid that such desire be rewarded. What we really need to do is cater to the latest dreams libtard social engineers.
ok, if he had to get someone to read a test to him, how is he really going to handle reading a blueprint? afterall, sometimes they need to know where to go and fight a fire? equality is for everything. as a lt, he’s going to have to write a report, so is he going to have to have someone help him read to help him write? sounds to me, like he’s frustrated but wants everyone to help him w/o he helping himself.
No, that’s the guy in the suit that was decided earlier this year. The guy couldn’t get promoted -no one could- because no black guys passed the test. But you raise a good point!
The newest case involves one of the black guys who failed the test. He’s claiming that because no blacks passed the test, the test is racist or something.
Sounds like some people did not study and some did to me. How can a test be racist? YOu know you are going to be tested and I imagine there is material to go over to prepare for it. So prepare. If you did not pass it was due to your own lack of preparation and applying what you learned.
I can’t cite chapter and verse, but I heard or read that the army lowered its standard for tossing a grenade so that women can qualify.
They reduced the distance one needs to be able to throw a BOMB to pass.
Think about that for a minute…
Done thinking?
The old standard was, I forget, 50 feet, new standard was something like fifteen feet, but it was WITHIN THE KILL ZONE of the grenade. This means that the female grenade thrower would be within the kill zone when it went off.
Someone please tell me, Why is it that a black man cant pass the same written test as a white man? Dont call me a racist, its the black man filing this suit claiming he is unable to pass the same test a white man can pass.
We have a black president now, cant we all agree we are equal now?
Al, I don’t think women have been approved for “front line duty”. And there could be great discussions regarding women who can chuck a ball far & fast. But regardless of that fact, if there are physical or mental needs of a position, the person should be able to prove that they can fulfill those needs. If my apt is burning & I am trapped inside, I want to know that the person who can help me is mentally & physically able to. Ditto with the police, construction, armed forces, etc.
The fire department was left in an impossible situation. They took action to satisfy what they perceived as a legal requirement, and then suit was brought based on the action they took to satisfy the law.
They are darned if they do and darned if they don’t.
Oh well, should at least give the Glenn Beckers fuel for the fire. This is the case Sotomayor ruled on which according to the right-wingers shows how she is a racist and shouldn’t be on the court. The Supreme Court, of course, which can never be accused of racism given its diverse makeup of… caucasian men (except for Sotomayor, once Ginsburg retires).
Matt,
Ever heard of Clerance Thomas?
Here’s an idea for the firefighter, pass the test. Really, I don’t see how he can’t learn the correct answers.
So people can pass this test only if they are caucasian? If you are black you cannot pass the written portion but if you are causasian you can? How does that work? Would you not all study the same course material? In my opinion no one should get anything special and all should be considered equal. So, study and pass the test everyone has to take. How can a white person and a black person study the same material, take the same test and then the test is unfair? Sounds like someone did not study or can’t write.
And the reason this black genius can’t handle the written portion is? Promotions generally require BOTH oral and written skills and abilities. Maybe they should just put pictures on the promotion exams and make it multiple choice.
The black firefighter’s position is really that blacks cannot read and write as well as whites? That by itself is a racist statement on HIS part, making a distinction that should not exist if, as they pose, there is no difference in ability to learn.
BTW, I believe there IS no difference in ability to learn between the races. If there is different scholastic performance it is tracable to social and cultural differences.
It was a catch 22 because, based on accusations of prejudice, the fire house felt they had to respond. However their response was also met with accusations of prejudice. Thus darned if they do, darned if they don’t.
I would think the fire house could care less and were just trying to keep from getting sued, which they then were (repeatedly).
It is an interesting case; I enjoyed reading this decision back during the Sotomayor Senate confirmation hearing.
Can someone explain why this black genius can’t handle the written portion? Getting promoted often involves written issues so testing for it is legit. Maybe they should just put pictures on the test and make it multiple choice so
How does the test know the race of the test-taker?
So is they plaintiff saying that the test is skewed towards smart people or white people? Or is he saying that they are one and the same?
I say nationalize all fire departments, and if you don’t like that idea you’re a racist Mbama hater!
What I wanna know is, how would a Wise Latina do on this test?
In the New Haven case, 118 people took the promotion test. None of the African-American candidates scored high enough to be promoted. Only 2 of 29 Hispanics qualified.
Lawsuits have been successful in the past based on the claim that the test is not truly job-related and that the test has a “disparate impact” affecting one racial group over others.
This is a very tough case. How do you abide by Title VII ? The minority fire fighters had a potentially valid complaint– a job selection based on a test claimed to have disparate impact– however the majority fire fighters also had a valid complaint– the trashing of test results which they worked hard to obtain.
Agree with the law and precedent or not, one can easily see that the fire department was put between a rock and a hard place.
Whatever we do, we mustn’t reward hard work, sacrifice, and dedication.
The one fireman who passed the test, the one who sued I think, is dyslexic and couldn’t read well enough to study for the test. So he paid someone to read the study guide aloud into a tape recorder for him to listen to.
God forbid that such desire be rewarded. What we really need to do is cater to the latest dreams libtard social engineers.
Maybe the minority fire fighters felt that a written test by itself did not adequately represent their own hard work, sacrifice and dedication.
Should a drivers license be granted based on only written test results or should there also be a driving component?
Should college admissions be based on only SAT scores or should grades, awards, and extracurriculars also be considered?
Whoa, if the guy who passed the test were dyslexic, would he turn the wrong way & head to the wrong fire? Just a thought.
Whatever the criteria, Matt, it should apply to everyone. Equal opportunity can be ensured, but not equal results.
ok, if he had to get someone to read a test to him, how is he really going to handle reading a blueprint? afterall, sometimes they need to know where to go and fight a fire? equality is for everything. as a lt, he’s going to have to write a report, so is he going to have to have someone help him read to help him write? sounds to me, like he’s frustrated but wants everyone to help him w/o he helping himself.
No, that’s the guy in the suit that was decided earlier this year. The guy couldn’t get promoted -no one could- because no black guys passed the test. But you raise a good point!
The newest case involves one of the black guys who failed the test. He’s claiming that because no blacks passed the test, the test is racist or something.
Sounds like some people did not study and some did to me. How can a test be racist? YOu know you are going to be tested and I imagine there is material to go over to prepare for it. So prepare. If you did not pass it was due to your own lack of preparation and applying what you learned.
I can’t cite chapter and verse, but I heard or read that the army lowered its standard for tossing a grenade so that women can qualify.
They reduced the distance one needs to be able to throw a BOMB to pass.
Think about that for a minute…
Done thinking?
The old standard was, I forget, 50 feet, new standard was something like fifteen feet, but it was WITHIN THE KILL ZONE of the grenade. This means that the female grenade thrower would be within the kill zone when it went off.
Someone please tell me, Why is it that a black man cant pass the same written test as a white man? Dont call me a racist, its the black man filing this suit claiming he is unable to pass the same test a white man can pass.
We have a black president now, cant we all agree we are equal now?
Al, I don’t think women have been approved for “front line duty”. And there could be great discussions regarding women who can chuck a ball far & fast. But regardless of that fact, if there are physical or mental needs of a position, the person should be able to prove that they can fulfill those needs. If my apt is burning & I am trapped inside, I want to know that the person who can help me is mentally & physically able to. Ditto with the police, construction, armed forces, etc.