Wouldn’t the supervisor have some say on enforcing the safety regs when the accident happened? You know, the supervisor, the guy with morphine, codeine and oxycodone in his system…..
I agree with the CEO of Amtrak, any positive drug results are unacceptable. The maintenance worker and his supervisor were extremely careless in doing drugs and being anywhere near the tracks doing repairs, it doesn’t matter what the report says. The engineer, with marijuana in his system, is putting everyone on the train at risk of injury or death–I don’t care what people claim about pot not affecting you–it does. And the people riding on the train deserve the utmost care, not partiers operating the train & maintaining the equipment.
Some on this forum don’t think there is anything wrong with Recreational use of Marijuana which almost always leads to other drugs and then accidents happen.
Not a ‘study’. per se, but RE-READ the article for EVIDENCE of the damage resulting from (AB)use of ILLEGAL DRUGS and PRESCRIPTION DRUGS.
Now, please cite a ‘study’ that a ‘study’ is necessary to prove a point.
Also, refrain from hyperbole such as “Or did you just pull that out of your arse?” if you want to be taken seriously going forward, because it only makes your statement much less valid.
The studies referenced in the above liberally driven site are often described as ‘inconclusive’.
One point that bears mention is the focus on LONG TERM cognitive impacts COMPLETELY IGNORES THE SHORT TERM DAMAGES that may result from acute or near acute intoxication; e.g. train crashes, train maintenance worker’s failure to heed safety precautions (this particular story).
So, those who CHALLENGE CRITICS of marijuana use are making STRAW MAN ARGUMENTS about the valid issues (long term effects) when the short term damages are just as serious an issue related to short or long term relationships with ‘Mary Jane’. My suggestion to those in a relationship with MARY JANE; break it off or get a divorce, ASAP.
When a person smokes marijuana, THC quickly passes from the lungs into the bloodstream. The blood carries the chemical to the brain and other organs throughout the body. The body absorbs THC more slowly when the person eats or drinks it. In that case, the user generally feels the effects after 30 minutes to 1 hour.
THC acts on specific brain cell receptors that ordinarily react to natural THC-like chemicals in the brain. These natural chemicals play a role in normal brain development and function.
Marijuana overactivates parts of the brain that contain the highest number of these receptors. This causes the “high” that users feel. Other effects include:
altered senses (for example, seeing brighter colors)
altered sense of time
changes in mood
impaired body movement
difficulty with thinking and problem-solving
impaired memory
Long-term effects
Marijuana also affects brain development. When marijuana users begin using as teenagers, the drug may reduce thinking, memory, and learning functions and affect how the brain builds connections between the areas necessary for these functions.
Marijuana’s effects on these abilities may last a long time or even be permanent.
For example, a study showed that people who started smoking marijuana heavily in their teens and had an ongoing cannabis use disorder lost an average of eight IQ points between ages 13 and 38. The lost mental abilities did not fully return in those who quit marijuana as adults. Those who started smoking marijuana as adults did not show notable IQ declines.3
A Rise in Marijuana’s THC Levels
Note especially the point immediately above about a LOSS of about 8 IQ points by long term users who started using MJ in their adolescence…. and an incomplete return of those cognitive/ mental abilities – – – even if they later quit.
It is hard to find out whether marijuana alone causes cancer because many people who smoke marijuana also smoke cigarettes and use other drugs. Marijuana smoke contains some of the same cancer-causing compounds as tobacco, sometimes in higher concentrations. Studies show that someone who smokes five joints per day may be taking in as many cancer-causing chemicals as someone who smokes a full pack of cigarettes every day.
Tobacco smoke and marijuana smoke may work together to change the tissues lining the respiratory tract. Marijuana smoking could contribute to early development of head and neck cancer in some people. Smoking marijuana has also been linked to testicular cancer.
ANOTHER SOURCE, 4th provided in reply to your request, although it doesn’t have extensive text on the home page that cite ‘studies’. But, you could contact THEM to challenge THEM to state their ‘studies’ that support their home page claims.
However, pay close attention to the LAST PARAGRAPH which discusses long term cognitive effects. It doesn’t use the adjectives ‘inconclusive’ or ‘may’ regarding the ‘studies’.
BUT note carefully that there is AGREEMENT from BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE that fetal development is harmed by the use of MJ by an expectant mother….
Related / Relevant Excerpt:
Fetal development. One of the areas of agreement, amongst both supporters and opponents of marijuana use, is the negative impact on a developing fetus or a breastfeeding child. If used by a breastfeeding mother, marijuana and cannabinoids can be found in breast milk and directly passed to a breastfeeding infant.
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Not a ‘study’. per se, but RE-READ the article for EVIDENCE of the damage resulting from (AB)use of ILLEGAL DRUGS and PRESCRIPTION DRUGS.
Now, please cite a ‘study’ that a ‘study’ is necessary to prove a point.
Also, refrain from hyperbole such as “Or did you just pull that out of your arse?” if you want to be taken seriously going forward, because it only makes your statement much less valid.
The studies referenced in the above liberally driven site are often described as ‘inconclusive’.
One point that bears mention is the focus on LONG TERM cognitive impacts COMPLETELY IGNORES THE SHORT TERM DAMAGES that may result from acute or near acute intoxication; e.g. train crashes, train maintenance worker’s failure to heed safety precautions (this particular story).
So, those who CHALLENGE CRITICS of marijuana use are making STRAW MAN ARGUMENTS about the valid issues (long term effects) when the short term damages are just as serious an issue related to short or long term relationships with ‘Mary Jane’. My suggestion to those in a relationship with MARY JANE; break it off or get a divorce, ASAP.
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ANOTHER SOURCE, 4th provided in reply to your request, although it doesn’t have extensive text on the home page that cite ‘studies’. But, you could contact THEM to challenge THEM to state their ‘studies’ that support their home page claims.
However, pay close attention to the LAST PARAGRAPH which discusses long term cognitive effects. It doesn’t use the adjectives ‘inconclusive’ or ‘may’ regarding the ‘studies’.
BUT note carefully that there is AGREEMENT from BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE that fetal development is harmed by the use of MJ by an expectant mother….
Related / Relevant Excerpt:
Fetal development. One of the areas of agreement, amongst both supporters and opponents of marijuana use, is the negative impact on a developing fetus or a breastfeeding child. If used by a breastfeeding mother, marijuana and cannabinoids can be found in breast milk and directly passed to a breastfeeding infant.
BUT note carefully that there is AGREEMENT from BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE that fetal development is harmed by the use of MJ by an expectant mother….
Related / Relevant Excerpt:
Fetal development. One of the areas of agreement, amongst both supporters and opponents of marijuana use, is the negative impact on a developing fetus or a breastfeeding child. If used by a breastfeeding mother, marijuana and cannabinoids can be found in breast milk and directly passed to a breastfeeding infant.
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Don’t agree with the CEO as he appears to be complicit in those deaths. The CEO agreed with the union that there would be no random drug testing, which lead to not just one but all three participants, showing evidence/impairment of drug use! The union runs Amtrak & they set the rules{along with make believe management}, & that is why drug use even by their own admission is rampant. They just will not admit the cause.
Advocates for the legalization of marijuana are not saying that is has no affect, just that they effects are less dangerous than legal drugs (alcohol) and many prescription drugs.
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Some on this forum don’t think there is anything wrong with Recreational use of Marijuana which almost always leads to other drugs and then accidents happen.
Some on this forum don’t think there is anything wrong with Recreational use of Marijuana which almost always leads to other drugs and then accidents happen.
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A simple solution / test would be to have two trains at the station, one is maintained and crewed by non illegally chemically altered staff (not stoned) and the other train is maintained and crewed by illegally chemically altered staff (stoned). Also it is advertised as such to the customers.
Which train would you ride? Even a past user of drugs like me would pick the straight train.
Like this for the straight train and dislike for the stoner train.
This would solve the ongoing argument on this reply string from the straight and stoners.
Wouldn’t the supervisor have some say on enforcing the safety regs when the accident happened? You know, the supervisor, the guy with morphine, codeine and oxycodone in his system…..
I agree with the CEO of Amtrak, any positive drug results are unacceptable. The maintenance worker and his supervisor were extremely careless in doing drugs and being anywhere near the tracks doing repairs, it doesn’t matter what the report says. The engineer, with marijuana in his system, is putting everyone on the train at risk of injury or death–I don’t care what people claim about pot not affecting you–it does. And the people riding on the train deserve the utmost care, not partiers operating the train & maintaining the equipment.
Some on this forum don’t think there is anything wrong with Recreational use of Marijuana which almost always leads to other drugs and then accidents happen.
Then they should be the ones riding on the Amtrak.
re: “recreational use of marijuana almost always leads to other drugs and then accidents happen”.
Care to cite or provide a link to a study, any study, supporting your vague assertion, Simple Agent? Or did you just pull that out of your arse?
And no, I don’t use drugs, even on a recreational basis, but as a former college student/young adult that was previously not the case.
Not a ‘study’. per se, but RE-READ the article for EVIDENCE of the damage resulting from (AB)use of ILLEGAL DRUGS and PRESCRIPTION DRUGS.
Now, please cite a ‘study’ that a ‘study’ is necessary to prove a point.
Also, refrain from hyperbole such as “Or did you just pull that out of your arse?” if you want to be taken seriously going forward, because it only makes your statement much less valid.
Here ya go; one at a time, because this site uses screening of posts that have more than ONE url in it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-term_effects_of_cannabis
The studies referenced in the above liberally driven site are often described as ‘inconclusive’.
One point that bears mention is the focus on LONG TERM cognitive impacts COMPLETELY IGNORES THE SHORT TERM DAMAGES that may result from acute or near acute intoxication; e.g. train crashes, train maintenance worker’s failure to heed safety precautions (this particular story).
So, those who CHALLENGE CRITICS of marijuana use are making STRAW MAN ARGUMENTS about the valid issues (long term effects) when the short term damages are just as serious an issue related to short or long term relationships with ‘Mary Jane’. My suggestion to those in a relationship with MARY JANE; break it off or get a divorce, ASAP.
SECOND ON THE LIST:
https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana
EXCERPTED (note especially the LIST of short term effects OTHER THAN THC absorption):
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Short-term effects
When a person smokes marijuana, THC quickly passes from the lungs into the bloodstream. The blood carries the chemical to the brain and other organs throughout the body. The body absorbs THC more slowly when the person eats or drinks it. In that case, the user generally feels the effects after 30 minutes to 1 hour.
THC acts on specific brain cell receptors that ordinarily react to natural THC-like chemicals in the brain. These natural chemicals play a role in normal brain development and function.
Marijuana overactivates parts of the brain that contain the highest number of these receptors. This causes the “high” that users feel. Other effects include:
altered senses (for example, seeing brighter colors)
altered sense of time
changes in mood
impaired body movement
difficulty with thinking and problem-solving
impaired memory
Long-term effects
Marijuana also affects brain development. When marijuana users begin using as teenagers, the drug may reduce thinking, memory, and learning functions and affect how the brain builds connections between the areas necessary for these functions.
Marijuana’s effects on these abilities may last a long time or even be permanent.
For example, a study showed that people who started smoking marijuana heavily in their teens and had an ongoing cannabis use disorder lost an average of eight IQ points between ages 13 and 38. The lost mental abilities did not fully return in those who quit marijuana as adults. Those who started smoking marijuana as adults did not show notable IQ declines.3
A Rise in Marijuana’s THC Levels
____________________________________________________________
Note especially the point immediately above about a LOSS of about 8 IQ points by long term users who started using MJ in their adolescence…. and an incomplete return of those cognitive/ mental abilities – – – even if they later quit.
YOU ASKED FOR IT, YOU GOT IT; 3rd source of MJ’s long term effects:
https://www.verywell.com/long-term-effects-of-marijuana-63551
EXCERPTED (note the use of ‘may’ in the text, which you ‘may’ use in your attempt at a refutation of these ‘studies’):
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Cancer
It is hard to find out whether marijuana alone causes cancer because many people who smoke marijuana also smoke cigarettes and use other drugs. Marijuana smoke contains some of the same cancer-causing compounds as tobacco, sometimes in higher concentrations. Studies show that someone who smokes five joints per day may be taking in as many cancer-causing chemicals as someone who smokes a full pack of cigarettes every day.
Tobacco smoke and marijuana smoke may work together to change the tissues lining the respiratory tract. Marijuana smoking could contribute to early development of head and neck cancer in some people. Smoking marijuana has also been linked to testicular cancer.
____________________________________________________________
You ‘may’ now use the word ‘may’ to attempt to argue that there is no evidence / study that PROVES anything.
ANOTHER SOURCE, 4th provided in reply to your request, although it doesn’t have extensive text on the home page that cite ‘studies’. But, you could contact THEM to challenge THEM to state their ‘studies’ that support their home page claims.
http://www.drugfreeworld.org/drugfacts/marijuana/short-and-long-term-effects.html
This is a short summary that indicates many studies are inconclusive, perhaps due to faulty methods and different objectives;
http://www.pnas.org/content/111/47/16913.abstract
However, pay close attention to the LAST PARAGRAPH which discusses long term cognitive effects. It doesn’t use the adjectives ‘inconclusive’ or ‘may’ regarding the ‘studies’.
THIS FIFTH link shows similar conclusions about inconclusiveness of tests / studies.
http://goaskalice.columbia.edu/answered-questions/marijuana-long-term-effects
BUT note carefully that there is AGREEMENT from BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE that fetal development is harmed by the use of MJ by an expectant mother….
Related / Relevant Excerpt:
Fetal development. One of the areas of agreement, amongst both supporters and opponents of marijuana use, is the negative impact on a developing fetus or a breastfeeding child. If used by a breastfeeding mother, marijuana and cannabinoids can be found in breast milk and directly passed to a breastfeeding infant.
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Not a ‘study’. per se, but RE-READ the article for EVIDENCE of the damage resulting from (AB)use of ILLEGAL DRUGS and PRESCRIPTION DRUGS.
Now, please cite a ‘study’ that a ‘study’ is necessary to prove a point.
Also, refrain from hyperbole such as “Or did you just pull that out of your arse?” if you want to be taken seriously going forward, because it only makes your statement much less valid.
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Here ya go; one at a time, because this site uses screening of posts that have more than ONE url in it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-term_effects_of_cannabis
The studies referenced in the above liberally driven site are often described as ‘inconclusive’.
One point that bears mention is the focus on LONG TERM cognitive impacts COMPLETELY IGNORES THE SHORT TERM DAMAGES that may result from acute or near acute intoxication; e.g. train crashes, train maintenance worker’s failure to heed safety precautions (this particular story).
So, those who CHALLENGE CRITICS of marijuana use are making STRAW MAN ARGUMENTS about the valid issues (long term effects) when the short term damages are just as serious an issue related to short or long term relationships with ‘Mary Jane’. My suggestion to those in a relationship with MARY JANE; break it off or get a divorce, ASAP.
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SECOND ON THE LIST:
https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana
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https://www.verywell.com/long-term-effects-of-marijuana-63551
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ANOTHER SOURCE, 4th provided in reply to your request, although it doesn’t have extensive text on the home page that cite ‘studies’. But, you could contact THEM to challenge THEM to state their ‘studies’ that support their home page claims.
http://www.drugfreeworld.org/drugfacts/marijuana/short-and-long-term-effects.html
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This is a short summary that indicates many studies are inconclusive, perhaps due to faulty methods and different objectives;
http://www.pnas.org/content/111/47/16913.abstract
However, pay close attention to the LAST PARAGRAPH which discusses long term cognitive effects. It doesn’t use the adjectives ‘inconclusive’ or ‘may’ regarding the ‘studies’.
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THIS FIFTH link shows similar conclusions about inconclusiveness of tests / studies.
http://goaskalice.columbia.edu/answered-questions/marijuana-long-term-effects
BUT note carefully that there is AGREEMENT from BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE that fetal development is harmed by the use of MJ by an expectant mother….
Related / Relevant Excerpt:
Fetal development. One of the areas of agreement, amongst both supporters and opponents of marijuana use, is the negative impact on a developing fetus or a breastfeeding child. If used by a breastfeeding mother, marijuana and cannabinoids can be found in breast milk and directly passed to a breastfeeding infant.
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THIS FIFTH link shows similar conclusions about inconclusiveness of tests / studies.
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BUT note carefully that there is AGREEMENT from BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE that fetal development is harmed by the use of MJ by an expectant mother….
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Fetal development. One of the areas of agreement, amongst both supporters and opponents of marijuana use, is the negative impact on a developing fetus or a breastfeeding child. If used by a breastfeeding mother, marijuana and cannabinoids can be found in breast milk and directly passed to a breastfeeding infant.
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Don’t agree with the CEO as he appears to be complicit in those deaths. The CEO agreed with the union that there would be no random drug testing, which lead to not just one but all three participants, showing evidence/impairment of drug use! The union runs Amtrak & they set the rules{along with make believe management}, & that is why drug use even by their own admission is rampant. They just will not admit the cause.
Nancy,
Advocates for the legalization of marijuana are not saying that is has no affect, just that they effects are less dangerous than legal drugs (alcohol) and many prescription drugs.
Does that help?
Why not also post stats and studies that PROVE beyond any doubt that your claim holds merit?
Like you always tell others, go find them yourself. There are plenty out there.
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A simple solution / test would be to have two trains at the station, one is maintained and crewed by non illegally chemically altered staff (not stoned) and the other train is maintained and crewed by illegally chemically altered staff (stoned). Also it is advertised as such to the customers.
Which train would you ride? Even a past user of drugs like me would pick the straight train.
Like this for the straight train and dislike for the stoner train.
This would solve the ongoing argument on this reply string from the straight and stoners.
No more trains for me:)
Use icebergs for ocean travel, like me. Inland travel is something you should do by means other than AmTrak trains.