Now if you also agree that alcohol should be illegal then that is a perfectly fine stance, but if you enjoy alcohol and believe it should be legal, there is zero reason to believe marijuana should be illegal.
Well, I agree that you are twisted. Why do you think the Federal Government has a ban on Marijuana? Are you too high to concentrate on the subject of this article?
Agent, are you too drunk to know the truth? Marijuana was made illegal by conspiring industrialists, in 1937, who lied about the harms of cannabis to ban it, so they can profit from its prohibition. Harry Anslinger was out of a job with the end of alcohol prohibition and started to demonize cannabis so he can continue prohibition with another substance. Hemp was also banned due to competition with paper and so many other commodities! So, shut up and learn the facts?
Recent studies of the damaging effects of pot on the human brain are not lies.
The claim that pot isn’t harmful cannot be sustained in light of years of studies and thousands of participants in those studies.
NO ONE CARES ABOUT THE INEFFECTIVE STUDIES of the distant past.
NO ONE is going to be silenced about the dangers, so refrain from such childish and feeble attempts to make someone ‘shut up’.
November 21, 2017 at 10:02 am
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“The claim that pot isn’t harmful…”
STRAW MAN ARGUMENT. Nobody here has argued that.
November 21, 2017 at 1:55 pm
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I never said ANYONE posting here made that argument. It is a commonly used argument by STONERS EVERYWHERE, and it is those people to whom I was referring.
November 21, 2017 at 2:11 pm
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Thank you for agreeing that you made a Straw Man Argument by attempting to refuting a point that nobody here presented.
November 20, 2017 at 8:46 am
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The ‘alcohol is legal’ argument FOR legalizing marijuana has been rejected many times in the past by thinkers, and supported by stoners. Recent studies show the damaging effects on the brain of continuous use of pot. But stoners are not all capable of understanding the studies… which lends credibility to the latter.
Dude; pot has recently been proven to erode mental capacity after sustained, lifetime use, man.
DEATH isn’t the primary reason for abandoning a substance or activity; e.g. automobiles, guns for self-protection used in crimes, sky-diving, skiing, boating, flying planes, etc.
SOCIETAL IMPACTS, collectively, are the major determinant of the safety of substances, transportation, sports activities, etc..
Hey all, watch this. I’m going to change just 1 noun:
Dude; alcohol has recently been proven to erode mental capacity after sustained, lifetime use, man.
DEATH isn’t the primary reason for abandoning a substance or activity; e.g. automobiles, guns for self-protection used in crimes, sky-diving, skiing, boating, flying planes, etc.
SOCIETAL IMPACTS, collectively, are the major determinant of the safety of substances, transportation, sports activities, etc..
FALSE EQUIVALENCY!!! STRAW MAN ARGUMENT!!! RABBIT HOLE!!! DEFINE “ALCOHOL” AND HERE’S A HINT, IT DOESN’T MEAN WHAT THE DICTIONARY SAYS IT MEANS. READY…STEADY…GO (end sarcasm)
Alcohol use is limited to those who are of sufficient age to use it wisely. Those who don’t get into legal trouble despite it being a legally allowed substance.
Pot isn’t legal for adults as well as children because its use is inherently dangerous and sustained use has damaging long-term effects. Alcohol doesn’t have those characteristics, despite what you claim by editing my post.
“Pot isn’t legal…because its use is inherently dangerous … Alcohol doesn’t have those characteristics”
I don’t want to make a Straw Man argument, so I would like to ask you to clarify before I respond – did you SERIOUSLY just post that sustained use of alcohol does not have any damaging long-term effects?
November 21, 2017 at 8:02 am
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Ironic that it is the pro freedom and liberty; anti big government posters who are consistently against the legalization of a plant that has been proven to be less harmful than chemically altered things (prescription drugs, processed foods, alcohol, etc) that are currently legal to be consumed.
Please note that I did not state that marijuana is not harmful.
How about we make all drugs legal on a national level and let the states decide what is best for them. Isn’t that what you righties want?
I know many people who are pro-legalization that do not (and do not intend) to use marijuana in any form. Most of their arguments in favor of legalization are:
1) Freeing up law enforcement to focus on more dangerous activities (e.g. murder)
2) The penalty for possession is too harsh (pun intended), especially with mandatory minimum sentences for first time offenders
3) Legalizing will (assuming cost is not exorbitant) reduce those who buy it on the black market
4) People have the right to partake in substances so long as it doesn’t hurt others (so DUI should still be given for stoned people, robbery is still a crime, etc).
I think you’re painting with too broad a brush when you dismiss the fact that more than half the country is in favor of legalization, but chalk up the reason some states have done it is because they’re “stoner states” while sensible people are against legalization.
I actually don’t get that pun. Is it because smoke is harsh?
Coming from a non-smoker ever, so maybe it is just one of those, “you had to be there” things.
November 22, 2017 at 3:31 pm
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that is how I took it – used in films like Caddyshack or Big Lebowski
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The Committee rejected the bill citing that cannabis is still illegal at the Federal level. Fair enough.
It won’t be long until the Feds come to the conclusion that spending $Billions trying to fight a relatively harmless plant is a total waste of time and resources.
No, it will continue to be illegal. Recent studies in the UK show conclusive proof of its damage to mental capacity.
‘$Billions spent’ fighting something that could conceivably cost hundreds of $Billions of physical damage to people is money well spent. Your concerns with money spent on pot prosecution is uber-hypocritical when compared to spending you support for wasteful socialist government programs.
PS it has been a long time since stoners claimed the Feds will legalize pot. But it hasn’t happened in that ‘long time’, so why is it not going to be a long time now? What studies have been released recently that PROVE pot isn’t harmful?
It has nothing to do with marijuana being proved to NOT be harmful (which, obviously, it is not). It has to do with the percentage of Americans who are in favor of legalizing it:
12% in 1969
27% in 1979
23% in 1989
30% in 1999
46% in 2009
60% in 2016
If you can’t see where the trend is going, I don’t think you’re looking.
Stoners sensibility can rightly be called into question. Parents are the only people in that house who could’ve obtained the pot. Hopefully, the innocent child doesn’t suffer any long term damage to its leg due to the @%$& parents!
From the article, “put it in a book splint.” This suggests perhaps they didn’t have adequate healthcare. Indiana, right? Not a state that set up its own exchange. Not a surprise they tried to fix the problem themselves rather than seek proper medical attention. Those parents are idiots and would have made a similar decision without the presence of marijuana. Their choice was to avoid a medical facility and that wouldn’t have changed had you removed the weed. It would have been replaced with ibuprofen or naproxen. A single payer system may have avoided this debacle. We’ll never know for sure. What we do know for sure is these 2 shouldn’t be parents. Lock them up and help that poor child. But remind me, which part of this article stated the parents were intoxicated at the time they made that decision? Which part of the article stated they were intoxicated at all? For all we know, they may just be the dealers and not users. If they denied using it, and by the way I mean a total denial, we should just take their word for it, right?
Good for New Hampshire. Common Sense goes a long way.
Now if you also agree that alcohol should be illegal then that is a perfectly fine stance, but if you enjoy alcohol and believe it should be legal, there is zero reason to believe marijuana should be illegal.
Well, I agree that you are twisted. Why do you think the Federal Government has a ban on Marijuana? Are you too high to concentrate on the subject of this article?
Agent, are you too drunk to know the truth? Marijuana was made illegal by conspiring industrialists, in 1937, who lied about the harms of cannabis to ban it, so they can profit from its prohibition. Harry Anslinger was out of a job with the end of alcohol prohibition and started to demonize cannabis so he can continue prohibition with another substance. Hemp was also banned due to competition with paper and so many other commodities! So, shut up and learn the facts?
Recent studies of the damaging effects of pot on the human brain are not lies.
The claim that pot isn’t harmful cannot be sustained in light of years of studies and thousands of participants in those studies.
NO ONE CARES ABOUT THE INEFFECTIVE STUDIES of the distant past.
NO ONE is going to be silenced about the dangers, so refrain from such childish and feeble attempts to make someone ‘shut up’.
“The claim that pot isn’t harmful…”
STRAW MAN ARGUMENT. Nobody here has argued that.
I never said ANYONE posting here made that argument. It is a commonly used argument by STONERS EVERYWHERE, and it is those people to whom I was referring.
Thank you for agreeing that you made a Straw Man Argument by attempting to refuting a point that nobody here presented.
The ‘alcohol is legal’ argument FOR legalizing marijuana has been rejected many times in the past by thinkers, and supported by stoners. Recent studies show the damaging effects on the brain of continuous use of pot. But stoners are not all capable of understanding the studies… which lends credibility to the latter.
Please cite studies showing marijuana is more harmful than alcohol. If they are peer reviewed I will retract my position.
They don’t exist, and Yogi will just tell you to do your own research or that you are going down a rabbit hole.
His swiss cheese arguments are somehow impenetrable.
http://www.ronwillneverbelievethisbutpotisworsethanalcoholstudies.com
I used to be a LT/Paramedic for a fire dept. in FL and have never seen anyone overdose from marijuana, but have seen alcohol poisoning lead to death.
Which is more dangerous…
Dude; pot has recently been proven to erode mental capacity after sustained, lifetime use, man.
DEATH isn’t the primary reason for abandoning a substance or activity; e.g. automobiles, guns for self-protection used in crimes, sky-diving, skiing, boating, flying planes, etc.
SOCIETAL IMPACTS, collectively, are the major determinant of the safety of substances, transportation, sports activities, etc..
Hey all, watch this. I’m going to change just 1 noun:
Dude; alcohol has recently been proven to erode mental capacity after sustained, lifetime use, man.
DEATH isn’t the primary reason for abandoning a substance or activity; e.g. automobiles, guns for self-protection used in crimes, sky-diving, skiing, boating, flying planes, etc.
SOCIETAL IMPACTS, collectively, are the major determinant of the safety of substances, transportation, sports activities, etc..
But yet, alcohol is legal and trees are not.
FALSE EQUIVALENCY!!! STRAW MAN ARGUMENT!!! RABBIT HOLE!!! DEFINE “ALCOHOL” AND HERE’S A HINT, IT DOESN’T MEAN WHAT THE DICTIONARY SAYS IT MEANS. READY…STEADY…GO (end sarcasm)
Alcohol use is limited to those who are of sufficient age to use it wisely. Those who don’t get into legal trouble despite it being a legally allowed substance.
Pot isn’t legal for adults as well as children because its use is inherently dangerous and sustained use has damaging long-term effects. Alcohol doesn’t have those characteristics, despite what you claim by editing my post.
TROLL.
“Pot isn’t legal…because its use is inherently dangerous … Alcohol doesn’t have those characteristics”
I don’t want to make a Straw Man argument, so I would like to ask you to clarify before I respond – did you SERIOUSLY just post that sustained use of alcohol does not have any damaging long-term effects?
Ironic that it is the pro freedom and liberty; anti big government posters who are consistently against the legalization of a plant that has been proven to be less harmful than chemically altered things (prescription drugs, processed foods, alcohol, etc) that are currently legal to be consumed.
Please note that I did not state that marijuana is not harmful.
How about we make all drugs legal on a national level and let the states decide what is best for them. Isn’t that what you righties want?
This issue should be left up to the will of the people. Put it up to a vote.
Marijuana should absolutely be legal and any conservatives who are for keeping it illegal are just big government types.
It HAS already been voted on in many states. STONER states approved it, while SENSIBLE PEOPLE voted it down.
I know many people who are pro-legalization that do not (and do not intend) to use marijuana in any form. Most of their arguments in favor of legalization are:
1) Freeing up law enforcement to focus on more dangerous activities (e.g. murder)
2) The penalty for possession is too harsh (pun intended), especially with mandatory minimum sentences for first time offenders
3) Legalizing will (assuming cost is not exorbitant) reduce those who buy it on the black market
4) People have the right to partake in substances so long as it doesn’t hurt others (so DUI should still be given for stoned people, robbery is still a crime, etc).
I think you’re painting with too broad a brush when you dismiss the fact that more than half the country is in favor of legalization, but chalk up the reason some states have done it is because they’re “stoner states” while sensible people are against legalization.
Hahaha, the penalty is too harsh. That pun was tight, like how joints should be rolled :D
I actually don’t get that pun. Is it because smoke is harsh?
Coming from a non-smoker ever, so maybe it is just one of those, “you had to be there” things.
that is how I took it – used in films like Caddyshack or Big Lebowski
The Committee rejected the bill citing that cannabis is still illegal at the Federal level. Fair enough.
It won’t be long until the Feds come to the conclusion that spending $Billions trying to fight a relatively harmless plant is a total waste of time and resources.
http://fortune.com/2017/11/14/jeff-sessions-girl-nfl-marijuana/
No, it will continue to be illegal. Recent studies in the UK show conclusive proof of its damage to mental capacity.
‘$Billions spent’ fighting something that could conceivably cost hundreds of $Billions of physical damage to people is money well spent. Your concerns with money spent on pot prosecution is uber-hypocritical when compared to spending you support for wasteful socialist government programs.
PS it has been a long time since stoners claimed the Feds will legalize pot. But it hasn’t happened in that ‘long time’, so why is it not going to be a long time now? What studies have been released recently that PROVE pot isn’t harmful?
It has nothing to do with marijuana being proved to NOT be harmful (which, obviously, it is not). It has to do with the percentage of Americans who are in favor of legalizing it:
12% in 1969
27% in 1979
23% in 1989
30% in 1999
46% in 2009
60% in 2016
If you can’t see where the trend is going, I don’t think you’re looking.
An associate sent me this story…. perfectly timed for stoners who believe pot should be legalized federally…
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2017/11/22/mom-boyfriend-gave-baby-marijuana-after-broke-her-leg-police-say.html
Stoners sensibility can rightly be called into question. Parents are the only people in that house who could’ve obtained the pot. Hopefully, the innocent child doesn’t suffer any long term damage to its leg due to the @%$& parents!
Put them in jail! But you do realize the legalization of marijuana would not have prevented this disgusting scenario from playing out, right?
They shouldn’t be allowed to parent, period.
From the article, “put it in a book splint.” This suggests perhaps they didn’t have adequate healthcare. Indiana, right? Not a state that set up its own exchange. Not a surprise they tried to fix the problem themselves rather than seek proper medical attention. Those parents are idiots and would have made a similar decision without the presence of marijuana. Their choice was to avoid a medical facility and that wouldn’t have changed had you removed the weed. It would have been replaced with ibuprofen or naproxen. A single payer system may have avoided this debacle. We’ll never know for sure. What we do know for sure is these 2 shouldn’t be parents. Lock them up and help that poor child. But remind me, which part of this article stated the parents were intoxicated at the time they made that decision? Which part of the article stated they were intoxicated at all? For all we know, they may just be the dealers and not users. If they denied using it, and by the way I mean a total denial, we should just take their word for it, right?