New Jersey Sex Assault Victim Wants College Held Liable

By | January 11, 2019

  • January 11, 2019 at 1:18 pm
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    • January 11, 2019 at 1:33 pm
      rob says:
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      Now I know you don’t mean that.

      if either of my daughters was sexually assaulted at school, you’re damn right I’m going after the fraternity, its members, the school, and anyone even remotely connected to it. The fact that a woman was intoxicated at a frat party is not an invitation for sexual assault.

      to quote Bill Engvall, “That’s my little girl. I don’t mind going back to prison for her.”

    • January 11, 2019 at 1:34 pm
      Jack King says:
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      Pub. I agree that this lawsuit is going after the deep pockets, which is the college. However to say that she should have expected to be raped because she was drunk is extreme. Yes, her drinking excessively contributed to the rape, but not every drunk at a party gets taken advantage of, nor should they expect it.

      • January 11, 2019 at 2:59 pm
        Ohio Agent says:
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        Jack, her drinking did not contribute to her being raped. It contributed to her inability to think clearly. Her drinking did not make anybody of immoral character rape her. That’s all on the rapists.

        • January 17, 2019 at 4:35 pm
          bob says:
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          This foolishness needs to end.

          No, her drinking did not force anybody to rape her, but it makes it easier for rapists to do so.

          To tell daughters there is no risk to drinking too much at a party is so irresponsible I cannot believe it, just to be able to say the catch phrase: Drinking didn’t contribute to her getting raped (a blatant lie).

          The statement isn’t a stain on her character, it’s about prudence and managing risk.

          I will be telling my daughter not to drink at parties, especially frat parties, and to know the people she drinks with, and not to drink in excess, and I will most of all tell her THIS WILL MINIMIZE YOUR RISK OF BEING RAPED.

          You fools are instead trying to send her off with a bottle of tequila, and tell her if someone does indeed rape her, she just needs to know it wasn’t because she was drunk. It’s faux sympathy, and reactive, rather than proactive.

          • January 18, 2019 at 2:43 pm
            Ohio Agent says:
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            Bob,

            Nobody is trying to send their daughters off with a message it OK to drink to excess. What we are trying to do is change the culture where it’s not acceptable to Rape or take advantage of anybody because they are inebriated. Instead we expect everybody to follow the law (Rape is a crime) and attached penalties for those who don’t, be the penalties be criminal and/or financial, to those violating others.

            Basically, we’re try to grow-up and evolve from the good old boy attitude that it’s OK for men/boys to take advantage of other if the opportunity puts them in a position to do so.

            Personally I’m offended by the attitude that rape crime victims deserve it because they decide to have a drink or more. Drinking is not illegal but rape is.

            Strange that when you hear of a man getting raped by other men while intoxicated that the raped man is a victim and holds no fault. However, if the victim is a women, she hold at minimum partial fault.

            Just pointing out the BS.

          • January 18, 2019 at 6:02 pm
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            “What we are trying to do is change the culture where it’s not acceptable to Rape or take advantage of anybody because they are inebriated. ”

            NO ONE IS MAKING THIS ARGUMENT.

            “She goes to a fraternity party. She gets drunk. And then she’s surprised when a couple of the louts take advantage of her?”

            Is literally exactly what I just said, colorfully worded. While you think it makes you a good person to then say the person is saying the rape is ok, no one said that, and it’s you being a bad person, a narcissist, and someone trying to clap their hands for a victory they didn’t win, just so you can say “rape is bad, m’kay? Did you know that?”.

            You attacked a human in a way you should not. It is not acceptable, and they way you attacked does indeed cause the scenarios I have myself seen, in which a woman says that it is victim shaming to be prudent.

            “Basically, we’re try to grow-up and evolve from the good old boy attitude that it’s OK for men/boys to take advantage of other if the opportunity puts them in a position to do so. ”

            This never existed. This is a vast minority which has remained a minority, and by the studies, if anything has gone down from 1995- 2017. There is no crises in this area, you’re fighting the wrong person. What you just said is not fighting the fight you claim to fight.

            “Personally I’m offended by the attitude that rape crime victims deserve it because they decide to have a drink or more. Drinking is not illegal but rape is. ”

            I have only met one person who has ever said someone deserved to be raped, the person above did not say that. He colorfully said, she should have realized there was risk.

            Do you want to know the one person I have ever seen say this? And the one gender I have ever seen close to saying it?

            It was my mother, in regards to her daughter. There is no good ol’ boys club. Women shame each other quite well.

            The others who almost did were all women. I realize this is all anecdotal, but so is your nonsense.

            “Strange that when you hear of a man getting raped by other men while intoxicated that the raped man is a victim and holds no fault. However, if the victim is a women, she hold at minimum partial fault. ”

            You are making a lot of assumptions, and that is yet another unacceptable personal attack. You mean generalized you, and what you just said, is not true. When you hear more people saying basically, “Women really need to stop drinking at parties,” it’s not that they are saying they want to blame women and hate them, which the way you take it is toxic. Do you want to know why you hear it more often? It is because men perceive this is a serious threat to women, so they will often say essentially “Why do women keep taking these risks?” it acknowledges the risk, it doesn’t stain the woman.

            “Just pointing out the BS.”

            No you’re not, you’re trying to believe you’re the hero who is going to stop the big bad rape crises. There is no rape crises, there is no good ol’ boy culture league of rapists. People rape, bad people, and it is not a side affect of some conspiracy with other bad people to oppress women and it is not acceptable on the DL.

            And if you want to talk about the good ol boy network, how about these numbers for you? This is a human issue, there is no good ol boy network. You are full of nonsense, and evidently, hate for men.

            https://ncadv.org/blog/posts/domestic-violence-and-the-lgbtq-community?fbclid=IwAR3pioBgV66kdaO2aoKKN2D6Lb-Kyrf2eiOQHV7WHxNkSWdZCH52P5a7mu4

            1. 43.8% of lesbian women and 61.1% of bisexual women have experienced rape, physical violence, and/or stalking by an intimate partner at some point in their lifetime, as opposed to 35% of heterosexual women.

            2. 26% of gay men and 37.3% of bisexual men have experienced rape, physical violence, and/or stalking by an intimate partner in their lifetime, in comparison to 29% of heterosexual men.
            In a study of male same sex relationships, only 26% of men called the police for assistance after experiencing near-lethal violence.

            The best way to understand the affect of gender, is to go to one gender relationships. The woman are much more likely to sexually assault each other than the men.

            Of course, the men also under report, so, it may be closer in the end, but there is no good ol’ boys who like to rape. This is a people issue.

            htt ps://avp.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/ncavp_2012_ipvreport.final_.pdf

            And here is a second link confirming the rough 50% sexual assault and rape number.

            Two studies.

            You’re not stopping the good ol’ boys. You don’t even know what the problem is, and you’re essentially sexist. Good for you.

          • January 18, 2019 at 6:07 pm
            bob says:
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            And more importantly, the numbers seem to suggest that when rape happens, the men are more likely to be ashamed and hide it.

            You implied that women are told they caused their rape, or are told it more often. If that was true, I highly doubt that men would be more likely to hide the fact that they were raped. Pressure is why they hide it after all.

            There is no double standard against women with rape, in fact, it goes the other way if anything.

            Rape numbers are constantly manipulated and lied about, even Christina Hoff Somers, an equality of opportunity feminist who used to be a part of NOW, has started speaking against this stating most recently that the numbers the FBI have worked up to account for underreporting, are about 1/53 women will be raped or sexually assaulted. She still considers these numbers too high, but she also notes that the way they ask questions is a problem. For example, it might ask if you have ever been sexually touched without consent. This might include your current boyfriend, who you want to touch you, who never asks as you have been together for a year. Stating well yes, is true, but it’s also true that isn’t assault. So we have problems with these studies as it is, but 1/53 is about 2%. There is no rape and sexual assault crises, and I’m tired of the lies regarding it.

          • January 18, 2019 at 6:09 pm
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            In fact, my study above is likely wrong in regards to the homosexual relationships, but, they both have the same error and the same test questions.

            So, the larger amount in women means it still is larger in general, even if I don’t agree with the entire study.

            The fact that men were shown to underreport in that same study would be accurate as well, to some degree, and means there must be a pressure as to why they are more likely to under report.

          • January 18, 2019 at 6:14 pm
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            I guess however, Ron will continue, as will Rosenblatt, as will the left here to say I never quote numbers and I never go over them.

            Then label the things I say as sexist, and marginalize me as a person.

            This is why what you just did is wrong. You are marginalizing a person. On a wide scale basis it causes even more damage, because as I said, we have actual school feminists calling questions that FBI does regarding a rape, victim shaming, rather than assuming they are investigating the claim. If you have not seen this go google it. You can watch the videos, and you can see the college educated professors and students complaining about it. They complain constantly stating that telling someone not to drink at a party as a means to risk reduction is victim shaming, and they instead say we need to teach men not to rape, rather than be proactive. Your nonsense supports that.

            How old are you? I have seen this take off, I’m 33, I finally revealed my age after years being here. I highly doubt you are younger if you do not know of this in the schools. I had younger siblings and friends from those siblings, I would say this really exploded in line with Obama, around 2010. You have no idea how out of control it is. Millennials just missed it, they were just fairly ignorant on the issues, and anyone older had a normal college scenario. Anyone who went to college 2009-2017 is seeing this nonsense spat out from college professors, and I have to keep emphasizing this, this isn’t some non vocal off person. It is someone who is very prevalent and has power over the teaching agenda, and currently teaches that it is victim shaming to state a means of not getting raped is to not drink at parties where you don’t know people. That is what I’m fighting, and it’s literally being taught in schools. You are fighting someone who spoke colorfully, do grow up, narcissist.

  • January 11, 2019 at 1:52 pm
    Stephen Tallinghasternathy, MD says:
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  • January 16, 2019 at 1:47 pm
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    A friend of mine daughter was raped while at college. No amount of money will ever erase that experience.
    This girl is going to have to relive the “experience” time and time again with all the ugly details being repeated over and over in open court.
    Rock and a hard spot for people in that situation. Relive it for a potential pay day just to elongate the healing process or just start moving past it.
    In my friends situation, not enough evidence of rape as the offender claimed consensual. A he said / she said situation.
    Its a shame how someones actions have life long consequences on others. No consideration of the consequences of their actions.
    Alcohol was involved.

  • January 16, 2019 at 5:02 pm
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    Interesting thought: Nationally recorded rapes have gone up by a factor of 9 times since 1960. The population is slightly more than double since 1960. What happened? I agree that some of it was under-reporting, but by that much? I don’t think so. A news story about the gang raping of a drunk woman doesn’t seem so surprising today, for some reason.

    • January 17, 2019 at 3:00 pm
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      My personal opinion is that with this being on the news more often and the surge of support groups and more, more and more will be reported. I know other women that I suspect / know for sure went through some sort of Sexual trauma but never reported. At least 2 that I know of for sure but possibly 2 more that I suspect something went a muck. The ones I know for sure just “live with it”. As the years go by, seems it chews at their guts harder and harder.

    • January 17, 2019 at 4:46 pm
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      This is not true, and the people who have been manipulating this statistic tick me off.

      I have two charts and data points, and then the definition of rape changed in 2013. It removed the word forcible, and added “without consent” and this would expand rape to being drunk while having sex. Rape is now being over reported, and women, due to social pressure and slut shaming by the left, are now instead of saying they weren’t raped when they had drunk sex, are more ashamed of the drunk sex and are calling it rape since they were drunk, and are calling themselves victims. Now, I’m not by any stretch of the imagination saying ALL, but rape in these numbers is rated on a factor of per hundred thousand, if even 5% of total women who drank and had sex did this (rather than 5% of raped women as that would be a vastly lower number) it would have a dramatic effect on the per hundred thousand rate, as then you might have 10% of women who lost their virginity while drunk, and felt pressure (whether the man caused that pressure by intent or not, that is the whole argument behind asking consent, that as a man you probably don’t know and the girl might just cede having sex because she’s had more to drink than either of you realize and she feels threatened while drunk so just has sex, and again, this is not ALL women but I have heard countless stories in this field so it would affect the per hundred thousand rate). So, after this 2013 change, rapes have started to bump up. The same thing happened in the UK when they changed the definition of rape. It is still however low, and lowered over the 1995 aggregate time frame. At no point did it rise by 9 times in any of these charts and they cover about 43 years. What you are saying is patently false, unless you include the studies which modify the question even further to expand sexual assault. It can be have you ever been touched in a sexual way without permission? And they don’t even ask if for example, did you want that touch, and did it go on into a relationship. So, let’s say you’ve been dating 4 months, and the guy during a make out session touches your butt. That would be in the number, but it’s not assault typically. These people are manipulating the numbers to fabricate a crises. New age kids aren’t any more likely to rape than the last generation, both millennial to baby boomer and millennial to Z.

      htt ps://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/SOO.PDF
      ht tp s://www.statista.com/statistics/191226/reported-forcible-rape-rate-in-the-us-since-1990/
      ht tps://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/rape

    • January 17, 2019 at 4:51 pm
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      Now, that’s not to say a woman who has sex when drunk wasn’t violated in some way, but there are also times when the women wasn’t forced upon either, she was merely drunk and felt taken advantage of, even though let’s say the guy was also drunk. I saw a case I believe it was in the UK, they were both drunk of their rear end, the woman didn’t even remember it, and called it rape because she was drunk.

      The woman wasn’t there enough to give consent (but still willingly had sex) and the guy couldn’t apparently accept her having sex, but, was not apparently too drunk to be negligent in accepting her offer, so he was held to a higher standard while drunk than the girl was.

      It was outrageous, and I would bet that many of these times both the parties were drunk, again, not all, but enough to modify the numbers. I have been aggressively pursued while drunk many times. What if I had sex with that also drunk woman and she after the fact felt it was rape since she was too drunk to make the choice?

      In fact, I’ve had this happen, when I didn’t have sex, and the woman who was too drunk to remember much didn’t remember I stopped her advances. She saw it as me accepting them while she was too drunk to be giving them, so I was bad. But no, I was pushing her off me, and it happened multiple times with different women. Most the men I hung out around didn’t have sex with drunk women. It wasn’t even a matter of respect, it was a matter of safety. There were literally player men who used women, and they said they absolutely do not ever have sex with women when they have drank. It is far too much of a risk, and that was way back in 2006. The problem grew far more beyond that.

      • January 17, 2019 at 4:56 pm
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        It’s hard to even word what I said about the drunk girl and drunk guy, I was talking in the eyes of the court, and in the eyes of reality at the same time.

        The court saw that he was not too drunk apparently to be held up to par for accepting advances from a drunk woman. But he was indeed just as drunk as the girl. The girl was too drunk to give consent to the court. The guy, apparently, it didn’t matter that he was too drunk. He was till a rapist. His level of drunk was not considered when he accepted her advances. Her level was considered, to call it rape. It’s outrageous. If she can’t make good decisions while drunk in terms of giving out advances, neither can he be held to the standard of rejecting advances when drunk, knowing the woman just is too drunk as he’s drunk.

        They way they ruled it, and they even said it was sad, was essentially that they understood the man didn’t do anything wrong, it’s just a sad thing that the woman was indeed victimized as they said it, and someone had to be held accountable. that’s a scary logic.

  • January 17, 2019 at 1:13 pm
    Captain Planet says:
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    Well, there is certainly a mentality that exists that believes you can, “grab them by the pu….” – Until that sexually abusive attitude is suppressed, we’ll continue to have to face the harsh reality that some want to express their power over others, even in this most harmful of ways.

    • January 17, 2019 at 3:03 pm
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      That attitude was there long before Trump ever said it (Bill Cosby, Weinstein ect…) and will be there long after you and I turn to dust. Thinking there is some magical formula that is going to change things in your life time…
      Your certainly an optimist.

      • January 17, 2019 at 3:27 pm
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        Nope, I don’t think there is a magical formula. I said until that attitude is suppressed, we’ll continue to see this. Unfortunately, and evidently like you, I don’t see it changing. There will always be the Weinsteins, Cosbys, and Tramps of the world. It’s about power for these sociopaths.

        • January 17, 2019 at 5:43 pm
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          Interesting you lump Trump -whom to my knowledge has never been accused / charged of such behavior – in with two that have been convicted.

          • January 18, 2019 at 10:54 am
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            He has been accused by at least 17 victims. He has admitted to sexually assaulting women on a national TV program. He has admitted to purposely walking backstage of his own pageants to catch women in undress when he was interviewed by Howard Stern. Where have you been, FFA?

          • January 18, 2019 at 1:23 pm
            FFA says:
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            Not watching the news, thats for sure.

          • January 18, 2019 at 6:58 pm
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            “He has admitted to sexually assaulting women on a national TV program. ”

            No, he didn’t.

            I’ve gone over this too many times.



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