Virginia Beach Mass Shooting Led to 450 Workers’ Comp Claims

December 11, 2019

  • December 11, 2019 at 1:22 pm
    Craig Cornell says:
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    While I am certain that many people who were eye witnesses suffered some trauma after the shootings, I doubt that all 450 actually witnessed bloodshed.

    And if you were simply a worker who had to run or hide and were never really in danger, I would think most people would be fine in a few weeks. The memory would last a lifetime but an ongoing inability to work? Requiring workers compensation reimbursement? 450 people? Right.

    Cashing In: the new American past time.

    • December 11, 2019 at 2:13 pm
      Perplexed says:
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      I second that opinion, Craig.

    • December 11, 2019 at 3:50 pm
      Jon says:
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      Have you ever actually been anywhere in the vicinity of a shooting? Have you had to drop to the ground while bullets fly overhead, or run holding a family member’s hand while trying not to be trampled? Have you ever actually been involved in any of the things you’re casually judging others for? I didn’t think so. As usual, the right showing a complete lack of basic human empathy but an almost sadistic know-it-all attitude. Are you a workplace violence counselor on the side? I didn’t tihnk so. Maybe you don’t actually know what you’re talking about.

      I find it no surprise at all that Perplexed seconds your opinion, since she usually parrots whatever the right-wing members of this board say. I’m not even arguing a total opposite of your points, merely that the place you’re coming from of pretending that you know everything about the situation off of assumptions is ridiculous, flawed and naive. You don’t know everything, as your many false statements on other articles have made clear. Maybe stop acting like you’re an expert.

      • December 11, 2019 at 3:51 pm
        Jon says:
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        For the record, I grew up in a rough area that was prone to violent shootings on a regular basis. I’m fine. That doesn’t mean everyone is or that I or you get to determine how quickly someone has to get “over” running for their lives. It’s pathetic that you would try to condescend about people who have undergone such a situation.

        • December 11, 2019 at 4:19 pm
          Craig Cornell says:
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          Have you filed your workers compensation claim yet?

          (And yes, I have been confronted by someone with a gun who intended to hurt me and they actually fired the gun. But I’m fine. And I’ve been in other very hairy situations. Thanks for judging me personally without knowing anything at all.)

          • December 11, 2019 at 5:05 pm
            Craig Cornell says:
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          • December 11, 2019 at 6:21 pm
            Jon says:
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            I said no such thing as “all 450 claimants have legitimate claims”. That’s putting words in my mouth, which is what you usually do when confronted by your own awful behavior.

            You callously judged that all 450 people would “be fine in a few weeks” as if you know what they’re going through. I pointed out that this judgement was incorrect. Then you whined about me judging you, as you often do. It really sucks when someone judges you unfairly based on assumptions huh? Maybe you should take the hint and try doing it less.

            I don’t have to worry about who I see in the mirror, but based on the misleading and outright false information you display daily, the lack of empathy and your brazen know-it-all attitude, I’m worried for you.

          • December 11, 2019 at 7:09 pm
            Craig Cornell says:
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          • December 12, 2019 at 3:09 pm
            Jon says:
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            Craig: I’m not going to read your posts but I’m going to yell that you don’t know how to read! I also am going to put words in your mouth because I don’t have any actual argument here to cover for my lack of basic empathy.

            OK Boomer.

          • December 12, 2019 at 7:17 pm
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            “And yet you can judge that all 450 claimants have legitimate claims.
            Every Single One. (Check the mirror for a hypocrite.)”

            It’s a logical assumption to make. 450 is far and above the amount that would be considered normal. There is some degree of cash cow going on, it’s a question of how much, this doesn’t make him a hypocrite.

            Jon did a one to one comparison, he doesn’t get to assume Craig never has to dismantle and make Craig’s argument void. The attempt was dishonest, the attempt was absurd, and your defense holds no water.

      • December 11, 2019 at 4:34 pm
        Fair Playing Field says:
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        The Virginia Beach Municipal Center is a large complex, but the shooter killed one person outside and the remainder inside a three-story building (Building 2). Were all 450 people who have filed WC claims in that building? I don’t know, and I was leery of commenting on this, but my first thought, cynical as it may come across, upon reading the article headline was “That seems like an excessive number of claims”.

        I’ll refrain from making any stereotypical remarks regarding public sector employees.

        • December 12, 2019 at 8:10 am
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          Honest post. The number is large, very large but does include family members, Chaplains and first responders who most likely knew the victims on both a personal and professional level.

          WC claims (I am not an expert) have a very high deniability rate but not sure that happen here.

      • December 12, 2019 at 12:34 pm
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        Actually, I did witness a shooter start firing in a mall crowded with x-mas shoppers in 1979.
        I am none the worse, because I quickly ducked down and crawled back into a store-room when I saw the weapon and heard the report of the gun. I will say that I didn’t go back to gawk at the gore. I don’t think that I’ve ever talked to my psychiatrist about it. I get no bad dreams. It’s just something that happened. I could say that I am now hyper- aware when Christmas shopping, but I’m really not.

        If things keep getting worse, we’ll all have to witness a crazed gunman mowing down hapless beings. I’ll probably have to witness it again. When you ask, “Have you ever actually been anywhere in the vicinity of a shooting?”, more and more often the answer will be, yes, I have.

        • December 12, 2019 at 12:56 pm
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          I’m glad you were able to get through it relatively harm-free and without a major impact on you. It’s a sad truth that our political system is too well paid to ever do anything about the gun problem in our country, and so we’re all going to have to deal with this inevitably. I just think it’s callous and naive to assume everyone should just “Deal” with that. If my children one day have to endure witnessing a mass shooting, I would hope no one tells them to get over it as Craig would imply is the best answer.

      • December 12, 2019 at 3:20 pm
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        Anything for an argument Jon. Nothing of substance, Jon. I think I broke my nail, Jon.
        Most folks here are really tired of you, Jon.

        • December 12, 2019 at 4:07 pm
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          So, you don’t have a point you just wanted to provide nonsensical insults? It’s okay, I don’t let bigots offend me, and I know that’s what you are Jax! I imagine a lot of people are really tired of your little right-wing peanut gallery who only seem to comment in support of ignorance, like you, Perplexed, Agent, Polar, Craig, Jack, the little sad boomer crew!

          • December 13, 2019 at 1:23 pm
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            imagine thinking you’re better than someone bc your political views differ from theirs LOL from a millennial perspective (btw), you are no better than any of those people you named. Have yet to see one of your comments not include hypocritical name calling. This is an insurance journal article comment section, you really think you’re making a difference by calling out those people? You’re just as ignorant as they are.

          • December 13, 2019 at 3:03 pm
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            Oh honey, I don’t THINK I’m better than them. Your attempt at insulting me just further proves that I am better than you knuckleheads dear :P I am making a difference to my own entertainment. As stated numerous times, I actually agree, this is an insurance comment section. It has no place for the kind of hateful right-wing propaganda that you clowns have been filling this board with for months. I simply provide a counterpoint. It’s not my fault that I’m younger, smarter and better at this than the right-wing boomers that were frequenting this board. Guess this is just another place that’s outgrown you types, maybe try golf?

          • December 13, 2019 at 3:48 pm
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            lol proved my point, thanks. You say and do all the same things they do, only with hateful left-wing propaganda. You argue your opinion and think it’s more correct than theirs. And they’re the clowns? imagine.

            From where I stand, you’re no different. But you’re a millennial and we are well known for being entitled to our opinion and never thinking past our own inflated egos. So do we both get our participation award now or later?

          • December 16, 2019 at 6:07 pm
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            To be fair, you’re probably right. I don’t have an issue with that. The issue I have is that you stoop to their level of spite and pettiness. Then think you aren’t part of the problem. You are. Even I am guilty of this, since neither of us have contributed anything related to the article (per our convo at least).

            If you actually think you’re “so much younger, smarter and better at this than the right-wing boomers that were frequenting this board”, prove it. Be the bigger person. Bc so far, your words have proved otherwise :)

          • December 17, 2019 at 10:43 am
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            Nah, because as proven, the board will just exist with their nonsense and no counterpoint. I’d rather watch the whole thing burn than sit idly by and let these goobers continue spreading propaganda :D

      • December 13, 2019 at 8:09 pm
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        Yes Jon, I was on my first outing with my newborn daughter. We were at lunch with friends sitting outside. Two people robbed a nearby armored truck using guns. While we didn’t know what was happening at the time, we heard shots. One of the robbers ran straight onto the patio we were at with officers chasing, guns drawn. There I was with my newborn sitting out in the open not knowing what was going to happen. While this wasn’t work place, it was terrifying none the less. I needed a strong cocktail afterward, but no counseling, therapy, or monetary compensation.

        • December 17, 2019 at 10:45 am
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          That’s a terrifying experience, I’m glad no one was injured and no lasting damage was caused, however my point stands. Just because one person doesn’t have any lasting trauma from something like that doesn’t mean we can force other people to just deal with it. We have a lot of veterans with PTSD, we don’t insist they just “Get over it” while also offering limited services to help them deal with these issues. The “Get over it” attitude may work for some but not all.

    • December 12, 2019 at 3:00 pm
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      Obviously not members of the ‘Greatest Generation’. Omaha Beach didn’t have many ‘safe spaces’ and those that survived didn’t have the opportunity to file a WC claim for the trauma they suffered.
      450 !! How pathetic.

      • December 12, 2019 at 4:08 pm
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        Yeah, and the boomers just did all the drugs took all the free education and all the jobs and then decided no one else should be able to do any of those things. Is that what your generation will be remembered as? The most selfish generation? seems right to me

        • December 12, 2019 at 6:39 pm
          Craig Cornell says:
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          And that comment cements our feelings about your generation: a bunch of cry babies.

          • December 12, 2019 at 6:56 pm
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            We’re crybabies because we don’t like you hypocritical, selfish, self obsessed angry old people who have ruined the planet for us? Let’s see which one of us gets another 20 years at least, old man :)

          • December 12, 2019 at 7:06 pm
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            No. The boomers built this nation, they did not run it.

          • December 12, 2019 at 7:07 pm
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            *Ruin* not run.

          • December 13, 2019 at 9:24 am
            Boomers? says:
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            They 100% ruined the country. They were part of the generation where 85-90% of college tuition cost were paid for through taxes and so was 100% of road infrastructure. Both of those things have turned around with policies boomers helped enact. They flipped those things on it’s head Now it is 90% the students responsibilities. This is a huge difference in looking at the outlook. There average minimum wage at that time was also about 20-25 dollars today, which if you don’t see is a lot higher than our average of $8.50 for a minimum wage job. Not only this, but they destroyed the social solidarity that previous generations built up where they focused on the little and middle sized citizen. Now the government only cares about corporations getting richer and that was through policies the Boomers helped pass.

            This isn’t a complaint, but it is a look at how a generation impacted future generations, and the issues they brought in. You can BS it anyway you want to, but if you do not see the issues arising from these things, then you aren’t looking at it through a foggy lens.

          • December 13, 2019 at 10:17 am
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            “The boomers built this nation”

            boomers were born in 1946-1964
            the country was founded in 1776
            so if we ignore 200 years the boomers built this nation

          • December 13, 2019 at 1:40 pm
            Craig Cornell says:
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            Let’s see. College costs skyrocketed since the year 2000 right along with college debt loads.

            What has happened since the year 2000? Massive expansion of government subsidies for attending college, and then the government under Obama taking over 100% of the college loan industry. More “demand” followed of course, and so colleges – run by liberals – raised prices dramatically.

            Your arrow would be more accurate if instead of “boomers” you said “liberals”.

          • December 13, 2019 at 2:57 pm
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            It has not taken over 100% since that time. False statement and shows your push for false statements.Private loans are a real thing, but I agree government did expand some loans as even during the Boomer generation it was really only the upper middle class and above who attended college.

            Your name would be better if you changed it from Craig to adult child. See I can also insult people when it doesn’t need to happen, just like you do daily!

          • December 13, 2019 at 3:00 pm
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            Also I apologize now Andrew for the expletive. I’ll try to watch myself when discussing these hot button issues with people who don’t know what they are talking about!

          • December 13, 2019 at 3:05 pm
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            I like that Craig totally ignores the income disparity rising since 2000 as well. The billionaires profits have increased 400% but the lower and middle class have only increased by what 8% while the cost of education, health and living has risen over and over? Yeah, your party is to blame for that Craig. Keep trying to argue that it’s anything else, but you’re being scammed and helping them continue to scam our country.

          • December 13, 2019 at 3:33 pm
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            Reading these comments about boomers and the hate these whipper snappers have for them (us), makes me wonder what they’re being taught in history class these days.

          • December 13, 2019 at 3:37 pm
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            I don’t remember anyone getting free rides to college in my generation. Some received scholarships, but most of us worked our way through higher education. You idiots, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Anyone could work and put themselves through college. My brother-in-law (raised in dire poverty) worked and paid his way through college then went on to get his masters degree with NO help either. He worked more than one job though.

          • December 13, 2019 at 3:45 pm
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            Oh you don’t remember the free rides? What did you pay for college? Because I’d bet money on it you paid 1/10 of what I did. And you “worked for everything you got” yeah 40 hours a week when you could work as a mailman and make enough money to provide for a family of four.

            If you aren’t aware that college costs and cost of living have skyrocketed while wages have stayed relatively flat and the types of jobs one can make a living wage on have all but disappeared, you’re living in a bubble. The world has changed, the problem is your generation thinks it hasn’t and that the same rules apply as when you were growing up. They don’t. You think everyone should just be able to work hard because you did, and they can’t. You have rigged the system and then you whine about entitled millennials when we have the nerve to complain while you sit on a home, summer home and four classic cars in your garage while we work two jobs to get by.

            Your generation are also the ones actively working to remove anything from the history books that reflects badly on our country, like that whole slavery thing. But we’re just not respecting our elders, right? The problem couldn’t possibly be your generation, could it?

          • December 13, 2019 at 4:29 pm
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            In school they teach history of policies at the advanced level and discuss the impacts it had overall.

            If you don’t realize in today’s society you cannot pay for college from a minimum wage jobs like most boomers (the classic line of I worked as a dishwasher to pay my way through college) doesn’t happen today. In your terms, you idiots don’t realize how the social and fiscal structure of the US economy and the dynamic between wealth in different generations is astounding.

            I think it speaks volumes when you compare these things, but you perplexed, a boomer, wouldn’t understand this as you see yourself as the generation who saved America (the facts don’t support this). If you would like me to go in more details, but please let me know as I can admit the Gen X’rs also had an easier time then today’s generation (I again am a Gen X)



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