Suspected Attack on 2 Oil Tankers Near Strait of Hormuz Stokes Fears of War

By Verity Ratcliffe, Anthony DiPaola and Bruce Stanley | June 13, 2019

  • June 13, 2019 at 10:17 am
    jsmooth says:
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    Anyone else see the build up to a (another) war in the Middle East coming? It seems both sides truly want this, but are fighting by proxy at the moment. Sooner or later the gloves (masks) will come off. This is going to be ugly when it happens.

    • June 13, 2019 at 2:55 pm
      Augustine says:
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      A war with Iran is another regional quagmire that we will get sucked into. This whole mess reminds me of the so called “intelligence buildup” prior to the second gulf war. Iran does not want to risk open war in the region for the simple fact that the Shia Muslims (Iran) are completely outnumbered by their Sunni neighbors. I find it more likely that the Saudis are covertly trying to create a regional conflict that would result in the dissolution of Iran and the Shia Mullahs. As terrible as the Iranian regime is–and it is very bad–the massive regional power vacuum that will ensue will be far more dangerous. People forget that the only reason Isis was able to come to power was through the Arab spring and the destabilization of Saddam Hussein’s regime. Saddam was a sadistic, iron fisted ruler, but we can all agree that the power vacuum that was created in his absence was far more destructive. John Bolton is trying to kick off WWIII. The United States CANNOT win a regional war without the full cooperation of the Brits, French, Germans etc.

      • June 13, 2019 at 3:11 pm
        Craig Cornell says:
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        The overwhelming majority of Iranian people hate the Mullahs. They think Obama was a fool. They might not like Trump, but they support the sanctions even though they are hurting regular Iranians; that is how badly they want the evil Mullahs gone.

        Good luck learning about any of that on CNN or in the NY Times (or the Insurance Journal). They all push the lie that Iranians support their government and loved “diplomatic” Obama.

        This problem is not going away. The Mullahs steal everything, kill and torture their own people, and support the same for lots of foreign people, and are hell-bent on getting nukes that they will use for leverage, threats and perhaps killing Americans.

        They are NOT going to stop trying to run the Middle East through violence and war. And the Europeans are selfish cowards who would never confront evil.

        So what is your solution. Wait until it’s too late? You can demonize John Bolton, but he can see clearly where this is headed. Can you? The world waited until Hitler had overwhelming power for destruction; we are destined to do the same under the liberal delusion that you can negotiate with people bent on evil.

        • June 13, 2019 at 4:01 pm
          Augustine says:
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          Germany under Hitler was under the technological forefront of military engineering and technology–the allies were never able to field any armored unit comparable to the German Tiger tank. They had the military capability to launch offensive assaults on all their neighbors (which they subsequently did). Hitler was able to pose an existential threat to the all of the western nations and even their colonial possessions. Iran poses no more existential threat to Europe or the United States than North Korea. Again, I agree with all of your concerns about Iran, because they are true. However, a conventional war with Iran is not a quick “one and done.” Indeed an invasion of Iran is a quagmire by any definition. Also, the fact that they are surrounded by Sunni nations leaves them politically isolated.

          • June 13, 2019 at 4:23 pm
            Craig Cornell says:
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            Nuclear weapons changes everything. That is why Iran was Obama’s primary focus for foreign policy; he realizes the threat is real and not “confined” once they get nukes.

            They already believe in terror. What’s to keep them in the Middle East?

            Doing nothing means you trust them once they have nukes. How certain are you they won’t use them? After all, some of those Mullahs might actually believe the Islamist BS and not fear death at all?

          • June 13, 2019 at 4:31 pm
            Augustine says:
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            Craig, I agree. However, I also think that self-preservation governs all foreign policy. The Iranians are actively acquiring a nuclear missile–that much is patently obvious. However, mutually assured destruction is still the case when it comes to nuclear warfare. The United States–thankfully–still has far and away the most nuclear warheads. The UK and France also have significant nuclear assets. Israel likely does too (although they won’t admit it publicly).

          • June 13, 2019 at 7:15 pm
            Craig Cornell says:
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            Respectfully, your theory about self preservation has proven false many times in history, especially with zealots.

            Hitler destroyed Germany rather than sue for peace; he would rather die than admit defeat. Many of the Mullahs are the same mind-set; they believe they are the chosen people and all that 97 virgins-in-heaven stuff awaits. The Japanese in WWII also believed in something greater than self-preservation: the honor of Japan.

            Suicide bombers are a Muslim specialty; you have to believe something is far more important than self-preservation to go that far.

            You just need one person thinking that way: whoever is the Ayatollah at the time they get nukes.

          • June 14, 2019 at 9:28 am
            Augustine says:
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            Craig, I definitely agree that self preservation is not necessarily a guiding force across all levels of society (if it was we wouldn’t have a suicide problem). However, at a political level self-preservation is always at the forefront. Hitler was convinced until the bitter end that the Third Reich would eventually come to power. This can be seen in the last German offensive at the battle of the bulge. The Germans were convinced they still had a chance. Additionally, he knew that surrender was not an option. Hitler knew that Stalin would give zero quarter to the Germans and destruction was inevitable–Hitler had no option of self-preservation at the end.

          • June 14, 2019 at 1:56 pm
            Craig Cornell says:
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            If you are confident the Mullahs wouldn’t use suicide attacks with nuclear material on NY City, attacks they could plausibly deny, you have more confidence than I do that some Mullahs don’t believe the Islamist promises that killing the infidel is righteous.

            Just look at Iran’s denials about mining the Norwegian and Japanese oil vessels.

        • June 19, 2019 at 8:42 pm
          UW says:
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          “but they support the sanctions even though they are hurting regular Iranians; that is how badly they want the evil Mullahs gone.”

          This is absolute BS. Polling for the Iran Nuclear agreement was almost 60% in Iran when Obama left office and was over 60% before plummeting after Trump won. They like the poll because they largely trusted Obama to not be a psychopath unlike Trump.

          People shouldn’t be able to demonize John Bolton anymore, because he should have been hanged after the Iraq War. He wants war with Iran, and has for 30+ years, what they do is irrelevant. They haven’t been invading countries left and right like every Republican president in the modern era.

          Fox News literally melts your brain. Give a person a year on Fox News and they probably can’t be saved.

        • June 19, 2019 at 8:45 pm
          UW says:
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          The owner of the tanker has said Trump and his administration is lying and that it was hit by something flying into the side of it, not by magnetic mines as Trump claims. Iran has pretty good relations with Japan, there is almost no scenario where they blow up one of their tankers when they are having a diplomatic meeting in the country. People should be far more skeptical of anything trying to start war in Iran, especially when it comes from Trump and his administration who have zero credibility.

      • June 19, 2019 at 8:32 pm
        UW says:
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        Except there’s almost no regional conflict aside from Israel wanting it, and conservatives in the US (not regional) wanting it.

  • June 13, 2019 at 2:45 pm
    Craig Cornell says:
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    I know a lot about Iran. Obama was duped and the Iranian people admit it; the money he bribed the Mullahs with wasn’t used to help Iranians, it was used in Syria and Lebanon and Palestine, much of it to support war.

    The Mullahs are evil. Period. They believe the are destined to run the Middle East and are hell-bent on killing anyone who gets in the way. They have been designated the greatest state sponsor of terror in the world by most countries (including ours under Obama).

    And then you get this from the clowns/liberals at the Insurance Journal: “Trump abandoned a year ago the 2015 deal that was meant to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear bomb . . .” It was NOT intended to prevent Iran from developing a bomb; it only tried to delay it for 10 years, and they have already been caught cheating more than once on their agreement.

    They sunk oil freighters owned by Japanese companies. Now how the hell is THAT Trump’s fault?

    • June 13, 2019 at 4:14 pm
      jsmooth says:
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      Craig – I do agree with your posts. Iran runs every war in the Middle East by proxy. They are an evil regime, absolutely pure evil. Their ultimate goal is a nuclear warhead capable of ending Israel. That is one thing they do not try to hide. I agreed with Trump on getting out of the Iran deal. It was bad for us and now it has come to light the many times Iran has lied to cover up their uranium production. I also agree that something has to be done. I’m 100% in favor of protecting the helpless and absolutely for getting these men out of power. Google Images from the 1970’s of Iran. They dress like we do now. They had freedoms and liberties. Google the images from 2019. It’s a horrible, repressed society.

      This is the fear I have is this; If/When we attack Iran directly, there will be numerous others drawn into the battle. Russia & Syria will absolutely be in the mix, that much we know for certain. China also has a reciprocal defense agreement in place with Iran. Will they get in the mix? Who is going to fight by our side? Israel, but not likely in a head on war. Germany? France? The UK? The only one I can see assisting us would the The UK. Watch and see, but the European Union has entirely too much to lose by warring with Russia. Their entire natural gas flow comes from Russia. This could end up being the time the USA bites off more than can be chewed. Saudi Arabia, Yemen and the UAE would “help” us, but they have no military to speak of. We absolutely do not have the most technologically advanced military any longer. Google what China has done since 2011. It’s disgustingly absurd. This could turn into a WWIII scenario far faster than anyone realizes. Whatever we do, the nation needs to stick together. No way does this end with us doing to Iran what we did to Iraq. As Augustine says above, the power vacuum would be way worse than what was left in Iraq. You make a great point as well that we can’t wait. The world cannot wait. This is what scares me though. The fact this one is going to get as ugly as you can possibly imagine in a very short period of time because both sides know there can only be one “winner” in this battle. My solution – Pray. Seriously. A war with Iran will happen, but I’d prefer we had all of our ducks in a row first.

      • June 13, 2019 at 7:16 pm
        Craig Cornell says:
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        A fair answer and civil at that. Nicely done.

      • June 14, 2019 at 10:10 am
        rob says:
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        Excellent post, Smoov. We need to tread VERY lightly here and not go in expecting an easy resolution as we did with Iraq. This is some scary stuff.

  • June 18, 2019 at 1:48 pm
    Jax Agent says:
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    The wild card in all of this is Israel. When trying to intimidate the US doesn’t go well, the Iranians will then try to rattle Israel’s cage in hopes of getting a reaction. And if they rattle it hard enough, they will damn sure get a reaction, one they won’t like very much.
    The Israelis will sit on their hands only so long.



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