worry not, my fellow citizens. I have lit the Batsignal and Batman and Robin will soon be driving in to the rescue. Batman is really sensitive about these things; he\’s really close to the bats, you know, and I think he\’s pretty cool looking in the dark getup he wears.
Batman will talk to the president, and there will be a congressional hearing. Then, they will take the evidence to the UN, where Russia will vote against sanctions against China, but will continue to sell China parts so they can make bad food stuff to ship over here. Now you know why Batman is needed; the president is powerless. Even Rosie needs help on this one. Word has it Superman would help, but he is busy caring for Krypto; no, he didn\’t eat any of the bad stuff, he got into a little problem with a lassie…well, it\’s birds and bees kind of stuff.
since the courts can\’t provide relief, the only way this national tragedy can be appropriately dealt with would be through administrative action. If only we had a president who cared about domestic issues, this could be addressed. But Bush & Co. wouldn\’t want to harm the pet food industry profits. Thank God,,,658 days left
I\’m so tired of neo-cons like yourself saying that anyone who disagrees with the Administration needs to leave the country. This pet food scandal has been headline news for weeks now, and has one government official made any public comment? No. They are too busy covering up for Gonzalez and their mistakes in Iraq.
…..or perhaps Rosie, some of the Dems and Repubs in Washington DC realize that it is NOT the responsibility of government to kiss every \”oweeee\” and make it feel better.
I am not a big supporter of current leadership. But come on…..The Bush administration most likely has not commented on it because there are serious issues going on — A war in Iraq, energy costs that are skyrocketing, the economics of our country, auto companies laying off thousands of people and you want him to stop working on this to work on a pet food problem. Investigations are taking place — as they should — the President of the United States does not need to get involved.
I don\’t think it matters if you are conservative or liberal, Rosie\’s comments were juvenial and assinine. I am a HUGE dog lover, spent my high school years working in an animal hospital. But I honestly think that if the President of the United States of America took time from his schedule to address THIS situation, I would be deeply disappointed that he couldn\’t find anything better to do with his time. What\’s next Rosie, a press conference every day for men and women who pass away from cancer, aids, etc….?
If you meant it in jest, it was a very lame joke. Maybe we should have Bush say a few words for your lack of sense of humor.
Hmmm…you don\’t think this is a serious matter? It appears some of us need to use our brains. It\’s entirely likely this crap has made it into OUR food supply and also clearly illustrates how easy it WOULD be to contaminate our food supply in the FUTURE.
I think everyone is working way too hard. Don\’t take life so seriously and lighten up. I took Rosie\’s comments with a grain of salt and thought it was commical. I do feel sorry for the people that lost there pets but that is what there are is just pets. Life goes on.
You know what I find to be a shame? That Bill Clinton sleeping with another woman is not illegal, but LYING UNDER OATH is. It saddens me so many American\’s missed the boat on that one.
shame people with a red state mentality do not comprehend the gravitas of this situation. They would rather call people names. I bring up an issue and I am called a dope and a lesbian, among other things.
It appears quite a few of us here are obsessed with Rosie. Maybe we should get past Rosie and actually read the news. I\’ll repeat…..this was FOOD GRADE gluten. It\’s not just about pets. It also clearly indicates our own food supply is NOT SAFE. Is there some part of this that\’s difficult to understand? Maybe if I post it in Spanish a few more of you will be able to understand this….
Was human food tainted too?
Suspect gluten went to plants that make products for people, FDA says
By Diedtra Henderson, Globe Staff | April 3, 2007
ROCKVILLE, Md. — Tainted wheat gluten that triggered a massive nationwide pet food recall also ended up in processing plants that prepare food consumed by people, the Food and Drug Administration said yesterday. While agency leaders offered assurances that the nation\’s food supply remains safe, they said they cannot yet completely rule out contamination of human food by the suspect wheat gluten, which contained melamine, a chemical found in plastics and pesticides.
According to import records, the wheat gluten was shipped to the United States from Nov. 3, 2006 to Jan. 23 of this year and contained \”minimal labeling\” to indicate whether it was intended for humans or animals. The vast majority went to pet food manufacturers and distributors, according to the FDA. But some of the processing plants that remain under FDA scrutiny make both human and pet food.
\”To date, we have nothing that indicates it\’s gone into human food,\” said Dorothy Miller , director of the FDA\’s Office of Emergency Operations . \”We have a bit more investigation to do.\”
The food scare began early last month when cats involved in a routine Menu Foods Ltd. taste trial refused to eat. Within days, the Canadian company alerted a university lab that assists with its testing that the cat food could be toxic. On March 16 , Menu Foods recalled 60 million cans and pouches of wet pet food. In recent days, the recall has grown to nearly 100 brands, including food manufactured by Del Monte Foods Co.\’s pet products division, Hill\’s Pet Nutrition Inc. , and Nestle Purina Pet Care Co.
Confused pet owners, reeling as the list of recalled products grows each day, will likely face more aftershocks. \”It\’s impossible for us to say, at this time, that there won\’t be additional recalls,\” said David Elder , director of the FDA\’s Office of Enforcement . \”We\’re continuing to follow the trail, and wherever the facts and the science lead us is where this investigation will be taken.\”
The FDA has traced the pet food problem to a single exporter , Xuzhou Anying Biologic Technology Development Co. in Wangdien , China , and is now blocking the company\’s wheat gluten shipments. The agency also is tracing the route of nearly three months\’ supply of the gluten in the United States, where it is used as a thickener.
Unlike a contaminant traced to the dirt in which food is grown or tainted water used for irrigation, the suspect ingredient in the pet food is unusual, said FDA commissioner Andrew von Eschenbach . Bread products, in general, have not been at risk for problems, and wheat gluten undergoes some processing, which can lessen the risk a contaminant could pose. In addition, the contaminant is chemical , not microbial , making it \”very unusual,\” von Eschenbach said.
Underscoring America\’s love affair with cats and dogs, the agency said it has received 9,400 complaints about pet food since the controversy began — nearly double the number of complaints for all topics last year. In an \”unprecedented\” show of force, the FDA assigned 400 employees to track down the suspect shipments, field worried calls, and test 430 samples of potentially contaminated wet and dry food, said Michael Rogers , who directs FDA field investigations .
Glenn Daley , 45, of the Assonet section of Freetown, Mass. , was among the callers. Chance, a cat he rescued from the pound, ate dry food on week days and, for six weeks, got Menu Foods as a special treat on weekends.
\”He loved the food,\” said Daley .
Shortly after a Jan. 12 veterinarian\’s visit that found the 10-year-old cat in good health, \”he started going down hill,\” Daley said. Blood work showed that Chance had lost 95 percent of kidney function. He was euthanized on Feb. 27 .
Daley blames Menu Foods, saying the 10 pouches of Special Kitty food that he saved have product codes that match the recalled product.
\”There is no doubt in my mind that was what it was,\” he said. \”If we had known sooner there was a problem, we might not have had to put him down. That irritates us a bit.\”
Here\’s a bit of additional news for a few of you brainiacs on here….
When melamine is heated to a great enough temperature it produces a by-product. That by-product is cyanide. Gee…I sure hope that melamine infected wheat gluten didn\’t make it to any bread makers…
No one is doubting that an investigation needs to take place and according to the news report, one is taking place, but the point of this discussion that has taken off is Rosie\’s comment that President Bush should be doing something — most people would prefer he focus on big problems and let the investigation take place.
Wonder if the War is putting us all a little on edge.
Good time for the Four Immeasurables:
May all living beings have happiness and the causes of happiness.
May all living beings be free from misery and the causes of misery.
May all living beings never be separated from happines; may they be devoid of misery.
May all living beings abide in equanmity, free from prejuducial attachments and aversions.
Serious, I\’m extremely sorry but the thought of cyanide in my morning Wheaties doe not leave me with a warm and fuzzy feeling. It seems quite a few people on this board are just not going to \”get it\” until they actually \”get it\” in the form of poison in your food.
Lisa – I appreciate what your saying, but I think those of us that have a problem with Rosie\’s comments were that she wanted Bush to make a comment on people losing their pets. Maybe if she had articulated more and suggested what YOU are suggesting, the rest of the yahoo\’s wouldn\’t be so upset.
But to be honest, I don\’t remember any comments from the whitehouse when there was that E-Coli breakout. Furthermore, is that something the White House needs to comment on??? Shouldn\’t information regarding these matters come from the places that do the research and solve the problems???? Maybe the CDC??? I\’m just saying.
Lisa
It wasn\’t Bush et al that\’s sold this country to the highest bidder. That\’s been going on for a long time and started when the democrats who were in charge and by the way – they\’ve had the majority in the house and senate for years at a time and THAT\’S where all the power is and they\’ve made a right cock-up of it. We\’re owned by so many foreign conglomerates it\’s no wonder our culture is up for grabs. (Hello – Press 1 for English; Press 2 for non-english then hang up til you learn it!)
Lisa, just because you are registered Independent, as am I, that does not mean you can\’t be \”leftist\”. I happen to be very conseravtive, but since tiring of party politics, I dumped the GOP.
As far as this \”crisis\” over pet food, even if it is food grade, the President does not need to concern himself with the issue. That\’s why there is the FDA.
The job of the President of the United States of America is to run the country, not micro-manage every issue that comes along. Just because the press covers an issue for an extended amount of time, doesn\’t make it of national importance. Case in point; the coverage of Anna Nicole Smith\’s death. Ridiculous!!
Excellent point. Rosie wanted Bush to do something, such as…? I know let\’s have him do an investigation to see what happened. He\’d probably have to appoint someone in the executive branch of government with an expertise in this area to do that. Wait a minute, isn\’t that already going on?
Jesus people, the sky is not falling!!. We are not going to be poisoned to death in mass quantities, nor are we going to boil over due to global warming. More people have died already driving to work today than will die from food poisoning brought on by tainted food in an entire year. As far as pets go, I bet more have been euthanized in Animal hospitals in the last 5 days due to lack of space than all that have died from tainted food. Get a grip people and look at the numbers as a whole.
Sorry, couldn\’t help myself with that subject. Isn\’t the point of this forum to have open discussions like this? I admit, sometimes they get completely off subject and not really insurance related…but minus the insults, I love hearing other\’s perspectives, and I love to see people get rilled up! It\’s life!!
You are right Courtney. It still amazes me how many illiterate inbred morons populate these forums and think the all mighty Madame Bela-Pelosi and her ilk can save the day.
Neither option will adequately compensate people who lost a pet. They are classified as property. That means if you got your pet from the local shelter and paid $50, you\’ll get $50.
Thanks for the article. It contained some good information.
The ire in many of these comments does not come from a lack of perspective as to possible human food contamination, but from Rosie\’s contention that President Bush should roll up his sleaves and start giving CPR to our pets. He has people to do that for him, namely the FDA.
The article you posted quoated an FDA official:
\”To date, we have nothing that indicates it\’s gone into human food,\” said Dorothy Miller , director of the FDA\’s Office of Emergency Operations . \”We have a bit more investigation to do.\”
Let\’s not go insane speculating how safe our food supply is, when all indications are that it is safe.
I suppose to the rabid lefties, Bush is to blame. Alberto Gonzales fired a few attorneys, so he must be part of the conspiracy. It wasn\’t Islamist terrorists that took the British hostages either, but Iranian freedom fighters; and it wasn\’t because of the weakness shown by the Bush-haters that emboldened them either – right?
It\’s \”Jimmy Carter\” time in the U.S. Congress, with the \”give peace a chance\” crowd who would rather remain ignorant of the risks, lose what we have, and blame Bush for losing it rather than here own selfish navel gazing pseudo-intellectual selves.
And yes, I\’m a proud conservative from a blue state, never \”Neo\” always \”Con\”.
Thank you for at least realizing we\’ve got a problem. The difference between the two is that the e-coli was a naturally occuring organism that contaminated the spinach via water run-off and it came from the United States. The infected wheat gluten is contaminated with some kind of chemical (who knows which one? The \”experts\” can\’t even seem to agree…) and was imported into this country. Should Bush, himself, find the cause of the contamination? No. Would it be nice if he acknowledged there might be a problem? Well, I guess that would be a matter of opinion.
Subject: Were we talking about pet food lawsuits?
Posted On: April 3, 2007, 2:08 pm CDT
It\’s funny that you mention \”remain ignorant of the risks\”. Did you read the article I posted? It seems funny to me that Bush supporters would rather make entire posts about \”downfalls\” of the leftists rather than discuss the issue at hand. I don\’t recall this thread being labeled \”What are your opinions on the \’give peace a chance crowd\’ and their thoughts on the war?\”.
The article is about pet food lawsuits, however Rosie kicked things off with her post about Pres. Bush (see below for a reminder). She feels that since people won\’t get much relief from the courts, the \”administration\” should provide relief for this \”national tragedy\”, but Bush doesn\’t care \”about domestic issues\”.
\”Subject: Shame Bush won\’t take action
Posted On: April 3, 2007, 9:49 am CDT
Posted By: Rosie
Comment:
since the courts can\’t provide relief, the only way this national tragedy can be appropriately dealt with would be through administrative action. If only we had a president who cared about domestic issues, this could be addressed. But Bush & Co. wouldn\’t want to harm the pet food industry profits. Thank God,,,658 days left\”
Hey, my real concern is for Ray Balaamababa. He told this wonderful story about going to Walmart and eating dogfood as a new part of his diet. I just want to make sure that Ray is OK and has not consumed any tainted food…
This food was processed in China and ended up in our pets food. Now, the larger problem is the total distribution of this stuff. How far and how many countries does this stuff end up in.
My point and concern is that if this pet food is killing our cats and dogs, I fear for the population of North Korea…
Well Mark, what does it say about us when instead of focusing on the issue at hand we just make the thread about Rosie. I guess that\’s why Anna Nicole Smith was in the news for weeks on end. It seems the citizens of this country would rather focus on a bunch of nonsense instead of what\’s important.
Also, parts of her post WERE true. Anyone who bought their animal from a shelter will get a whopping $50. Do you own a dog Mark? My dog is worth a whole lot more than $50 to me. Also, anyone who DOES own a dog may want to do a bit of research as to what exactly is in your dog\’s food. http://www.api4animals.org/facts.php?p=359&more=1
It\’s a crime that the pet food companies did not have the quality control in place to catch this before it hit the market. Unfortunately, the law does not protect the rights of pets to the same extent of people. Even though it\’s a tough message, the law is not going to change and certainly the president of United States should not be involved. He has staff to deal with this.
the companies that admitted the contaminant or recalled product, will lose significant business and most likely they will collect little by way of insurance.
We psnd more on our pets than the GDP of some countries.
Think about whats in your take out Chinese food these days. Look for the \”meat\’ to be offered at some really great prices, \’cause there is now a big supply.
Lisa, what does your dog taste like? Orange beef??
my guess is Rosie\’s alarm clock goes off bright and early each day, with a warm verbal greeting of \”what can be blame Bush for today…What can we blame Bush for today…What can we blame bush for today\”
Why, with all the issues going on in the world, like them or not, should our president get in the middle of a pet food situation? Like him or not, I hope he\’s focused on more pressing issues than pet food.
without calling me names. This is another embarassing byproduct of the Karl Rove and Tom DeLay approach to the issues of the day, where name calling is considered thoughtful discussion.
Oh…I see we have another blankety blank idiot. My Cavaliers doesn\’t eat any of the crap dog food that was recalled. They\’ve been fed raw dog food for at least five years now.
I do hope the pet food industry finds out soon what caused the deaths of many peoples pets. We lost a border collie that was well trained to work cattle and was my husbands hired man at working cattle. I thought I was feeding her the best I could. The vets say not people food. Sure wish I would have cooked for my dog, my husband is still alive and he eats my food. I didn\’t realize their was so much imported food in our dog foods. Guess I don\’t believe in this outsourcing that is going on. Use American Made.
Are there really insurance people on this board or is the title of this website a misnomer? Of course, I do have to admit I\’ve worked with a lot of idiot agents in my time who can\’t even seem to fill out an ACORD app without getting tripped up so maybe I\’ve answered my own question.
Ann, thank you for an intelligent comment! They seem to be sadly lacking here. My dogs get Farmore dog food http://www.farmoredogfood.com. You might want to check out the benefits of feeding your dog raw food. You have my sympathy on the loss of your dog.
Everyone likes to point the finger at someone. Some like to point at Bush, some at Menu Foods, some at the… well you get the point.
The problem is that Menu Foods did exactly what everyone of us has done or still do on a daily basis.
We take things at face value. Surely they had purchased the wheat gluten from this source before and they didn\’t have any problems. Now there is a problem that has led to the death of many beloved pets.
Problem is, and we don\’t know yet where the blame rests. Before we start throwing the stones, lets get the facts. Did it come from something in China? Did it happen during transprotation to here? Did Menu Foods add it to the mix? We don\’t know and before any conclusion of where the blame is and what needs to be done to fix it, I would like the facts.
Rosie, good for you, apparently you hit a few nerves! This is not just a pet food issue, this is a food issue! But there are those who will side for the Bush Adm. regards. He should appoint someone to investigate this matter. And pets are very important to some of us.
DDT,
Here is some information about \”quality control\” in China. You\’ll have to excuse me when I don\’t have a lot of sympathy for Menu foods. My memory might be a bit faulty but I do believe that we actually do grow something called WHEAT in THIS COUNTRY. I know….I too was amazed when I recently discovered this…
Anyway, here is the info about China. Is this where you want YOUR food additives produced because guess what? Additives from China are going in YOUR food too….
How safe are food imports when they reach Australia?
Excerpt from the report\’s \”Executive Summary:\” The Committee considers there is cause for concern over the current status of Thailand’s environment, widespread pollution of waterways and inadequate treatment and disposal of solid waste being the most pressing issues. Of further concern, high levels of organochlorine pesticides in Thai women suggests excessive environmental and/or dietary exposure. The Committee also believes the current status of China’s environment warrants concern. The weight of evidence suggests that there are continued high levels of organochlorine pesticides in some regions, and perhaps more disturbingly, continued input of some of these pesticides.
Summary findings on the safety of foodstuffs imported from China:
Finding 53
The weight of evidence suggests there is a high level of environmental contamination by organochlorine pesticides and other potentially toxic chemicals in some regions of China.
Finding 54
A number of recent studies of China’s environment point to recent input of DDT, although its use in agriculture was officially banned in 1983. Recent DDT contamination is thought to be due mainly to continued use of dicofol, a pesticide that is made from DDT and which may contain high levels of DDT contamination. Analysis of dicofol preparations in China in 2003 found an average 244 grams per kilogram (24.4 percent) of DDT and its metabolites.
Finding 55
Levels of DDT in breast milk of Chinese women is many times higher than the levels detected in Australian women. Further, the ratio of DDE (a DDT metabolite) to DDT, is much lower than in Australian women, suggesting that Chinese women have been exposed more recently to DDT than Australian women.
In 2003, the Australian Centre for International Agricultural Research (ACIAR)363 was invited by the China Council for International Cooperation on Environment and Development (CCICED) to participate in a task force charged with examining key agricultural and rural development policy issues faced by China in the early 21st century. Based on its observations over the period of its involvement in the task force, ACIAR made the following general comments on the issues China
currently faces with regard to ensuring food safety:
The formal education level of most farmers is low. Standards and regulations covering crop input manufacture, application rates and waste management are not rigorously enforced;
China is now the world leader in both inorganic fertiliser and pesticide consumption. In the past 30 years, while world nitrogen fertiliser application increased by 7 times, China’s nitrogen use in crop production increased 45 times. On average, nitrogen use per hectare is about 3 times the world average;
Various pesticide compounds have been produced and applied to crops. Many whose use has been curtailed or banned in other countries are still widely used in China. Among them are pesticides that are known to leave toxic residues in the environment;
There is growing concern about the increasing use of fertilisers and pesticides that cause pollution of rivers, lakes and sea from run-off and seepage, and thereby become sources of ecological problems. China’s accession to WTO has raised food-safety concerns due to residual effects of high rates of fertiliser and pesticide application;
Several studies have shown that high rates of fertiliser and pesticide application are partially due to ineffective extension services to advise farmers on input rates and nutrient balance;
Use of proven integrated pest management (IPM) techniques is still not widespread.
Pesticide application rates in China are still rising while they are falling everywhere in Southeast Asia;
Average annual growth rates [of the livestock sector] have been 2-5% faster than the crop sector and the livestock sector’s share of total agricultural GDP has doubled. The environmental costs have been high, with large volumes of solid wastes from pig and poultry units and 40% or more of wastes being discharged without treatment into watercourses; and
There is no national strategy to deal with the waste-disposal system. Some provinces have responded to the problem, but have been hindered by the lack of adequate regulatory and economic mechanisms to ensure compliance.
Despite strengthening of regulations and monitoring of food safety, reports of unsafe or contaminated food [in China] still appear to be relatively common. Some examples are provided below:
In November 2001, 40 farmers in China’s Jiangsu Province suffered food poisoning and the following day 484 people were reported to have eaten contaminated pork in Guandong Province. An official from the Ministry of Health indicated that unsafe use of pesticides and growth-enhancing hormones were the major causes of such food poisoning outbreaks.
According to Ministry statistics, the number of food producing entities grew from 1.2 to 5 million between 1995 to 2000 and many small scale food producers were using unhygienic facilities to meet increasing demands;
In January 2002, shortly after joining the WTO, the EU suspended imports of all products of animal origin from China after finding residues of the antibiotic chloramphenicol in 24 batches of frozen shrimp. The ban was imposed because the EU considered China’s system to control residues of veterinary chemicals in farmed animals to be inadequate at the time.
In April 2004, thirteen infants were reported to have died of nutritional deficiencies and more than 170 suffered severe malnutrition in east China’s Anhui Province after consuming substandard milk powder. Although national standards dictate the contents of infant milk powders, investigations revealed that producers had replaced essential nutritional elements with starch and sugar.
In January 2005, figures released at a national conference on food and drug supervision and management indicated that 390,000 cases of production and/or sale of fake or substandard food were investigated in 2003, of which 128,000 were prosecuted;
In May 2005, health officials raised concerns about a dramatic increase in the rate of foodborne parasitic infections in the last ten years. Incidences of liver fluke infections were reported to have increased by 75 percent according to a Ministry of Health survey of 31 provinces from 2001 to 2004. The increasing incidence of parasitic infestation was attributed to increased consumption of raw seafood;
A July 2005 media report estimated that more than 70 percent of China’s 106,000 registered food makers are small family businesses hiring less than 10 people, and at least 60 percent of these cannot meet the most basic sanitary standards;
In July 2005, the discovery of malachite green in fish sold in Henan province prompted calls for nationwide inspections for the product, which was banned from use in 2002. Beijing’s Food Safety Office indicated that routine testing did not include malachite green. A Shanghai Fishery Office Official claimed that some fish farmers continue to use malachite green to treat parasitic and fungal infections because it is cheap. Six weeks later, 10 of 25 samples of freshwater fish imported to Hong Kong from the mainland also tested positive to malachite green.
In July 2005, the Assistant Minister of Commerce claimed that China still faces a serious situation in the matter of food safety, with the failure rate of food hygiene as high as 8 percent and the rate of excessive pesticide residues in vegetables still around 7 percent;
In October 2005, regulators confirmed that some polyvinyl chloride food wrappers used in China contain DEHA, a substance that may cause cancer. Although the national standard on PVC food wraps, released in 1988, did not prohibit the use of DEHA, the compound was not listed on a 2003 national standard, which lists safe substances that can be used in wrapping materials.
I won\’t back down from starting a discussion because those on the other side call me names and question my feminimity. And I won\’t stop demanding action even if it makes others angry.
You have to admit that suggesting the President of the United States get involved with dogs and cats was pretty stupid. There are more than enough human problems for him to deal with.
While this may sound harsh to you, your pet was a piece of personal property under the law. You may have persoanlly attached a ridiculously high emotional value to it. It wasn\’t a human being Rosie. Get a grip and set some perspective.
Nobody set out to poision pets. Nobody even knows for sure what happened. Whatever it turns out to be, it was an unfortunate ACCIDENT! Like it or not accidents happen in the real world. Considering all the crap dogs & cats eat while outside, do you really think anybody thought the quality standards were too low? At least the ingredients were consistent. Unfortunately in this batch, something went awry.
I\’m appalled at the typical emotional response of \”let\’s sue\”. What will that accomplish? Next thing you know nobody will make pet foods because the \”malpractice insurance\” costs will be too high. S _ _ T Happens Rosie. Deal with it.
\”An Ottawa woman has become violently ill after eating some of her dog\’s food,\” the Canadian Press reports:
After noticing her dog, Missy, wasn\’t eating, [Eliane] Larabie said she took bites of Missy\’s Iams pet food in order to trick the terrier into thinking it was people food.
The ploy worked and the mealtime routine continued for about two weeks until both dog and master became sick on March 17.
It wasn\’t until she saw a TV news story about the Menu Foods recall that she connected the dots, ever so slowly.
\”I\’m just wondering when the Prime Minister is going to do something. We voted for him, yet he doesn\’t seem to care about our animals. What about me? I almost died from eating catfood? I could\’ve died, but no one is doing anything? If the PM doesn\’t do something soon, I\’m going to move to America. Their government cares about animals.\”
Well Bill Reed, you\’ve just officially pissed me off. My dogs are NOT just some animal. I breed and show Cavalier King Charles Spaniels. They are not just \”some dog\”. They ARE a part of my family. My guess is you don\’t own a dog. (I doubt one would have you. I always trust my dogs reactions to people. It\’s kind of funny. They can spot the JA\’s before me…)
My uncle has been blind since age 22. He\’s had a seeing eye dog since that time and has managed to run his company with the aid of several of them. Do you think they were \”Just a dog\” to him? People like you really piss me off. Quite frankly, I would rather have the company of dogs than someone like you any day of the week.
this wouldn\’t be a problem if you owners would quit cutting back on our rights! We\’re hunters! We like to stalk our food and eat it on the spot. How would you like to eat some dried up drivel every day from the same plate; and from the floor at that. Never a choice on beverages; water water water; good grief, cry me a river, but what\’s the deal with the warm water from the sink. You keep your water bottle in that big box and I see ice in it sometimes, yet you want me to eat where your feet walk. If you\’ve notice, that cat sits right next to my dish, that\’s just like having someones butt plopped in your face everyday when you eat.
At least the bologna scraps have picked up since this thing started. The laugher is on you, as it was we, the dogs and cats, who spiked the food so we\’d get a break from that canned and bagged stuff you think we call food.
We\’re sick of waggin\’ our tails for that stuff; either get us something with taste, or we\’ll take a bite out of something for taste, if you know what I mean. At least get my food online, maybe from Canada or something; I hear they care about their pets there. Not like that phoney Bush and that mechanical dog he prances around with on the White House lawn!
In addition, Bill, the majority of the pet food industry has been slowly poisoning our pets for the last forty years. Ever hear of BHA, BTA and Ethoxyquin? They\’re cancer causing agents. They\’re in a majority of the pet foods for sale. Do you know what poultry by-products are? You might want to look into that. The only news with the recent recalls is the poisonings are now acute vs chronic…
I\’ve talked with Lassie and McGruff the crime dog, and they\’re tired of this stuff too. We used to have freedoms. Now, if I run the street, the guys with the nets come after me. You put those flea collars on me, and guess what: the fleas live under them for protection! So much for you being the dominant species. All that because of the patriot act restricting our rights. Just cause my signature requires a paw print doesn\’t mean I don\’t have feelings.
Give me some real food. I like meat. quit giving me those soy processed things and making me \’beg\’ for it. Do you think they smell like bacon? Hey stupid, my smell is like 100 times more senstive than yours, wanna know what they smell like to me?
I\’m sick of playing your role games; roll over…beg…sit up…how about how many stitches would you like?
If you\’re too cheap to get me a steak, at least get me a Whopper, but hold all that lettuce and tomato crap, I don\’t need the fiber. But keep the onion, that way I can gag you with my breath as my special way of saying \”thank you you cheap piece of human waste\”.
While we\’re at it, we want some changes.
No more calling wieners/franks \’hot dogs\’. Why is it ok to call a dog Hot? I\’ve got all this fur, and I see you sitting under your fan because you can\’t handle a little heat. It\’s insulting and we\’re offended. Ya know who\’s really sick of this? That\’s right: wiener dogs! Thank my waggin\’ tail I wasn\’t born into that mess of genes; good grief, it\’s bad enough to go thru life with your belly draggin\’ the floor, (and it could use a cleaning, that upright machine is called a vaccuum), but to be called a \’wiener\’, well, let\’s just say they probably don\’t feel too good about that.
I\’ve got some cousins who are German Shephards; they don\’t like being associated with Hitler, either. Poodles are sick of those wierd little haircuts, too. Poodles used to be considered fearsome warrior dogs, now you\’ve ruined that, too.
I don\’t care; my stuff was done in black and white, long before the 12 versions of lassie came along (oooh, what\’s this week…is Timmy in the well, Lassie). What was that plopping sound, Lassie? That\’s me takin\’ a dump on Timmy, you overrated inbreed.
I\’d be less hostile with some more MEAT! I know where Rosie is coming from; this stuff is awful.
While a couple of you seem to think you\’re pretty funny comedians, what\’s funny is there\’s more than a little truth in what you write (except for the part about onions….they\’re poisonous to dogs.) What do you think dogs ate before dog food companies graced us with their presence?
we\’ve been trying to get our story out there. Oprah won\’t return my calls. The only one who calls is Phil Donohue, and he doesn\’t have a show anymore. Not that anyone watched when he did, but I digress. That stuff from the can tastes like tin, and I don\’t mean rin-tin-tin. What about Cat flavor? we\’d like that! Cat\’s get fish flavor, why can\’t we get cat?
I think we should have a dog on the presidents cabinet. That could leave a stain, though. Or a ring if they insist on using another dang water dish. Ruff.
Rosie, nobody called you names. This is about the stupidest line of comments on both sides of the argument I have ever seen. It\’s my responsibility to protect my animals, not the President or the King of Portugal. We have a cat that\’s dying (no connection to this problem) and it\’s tough on us too. We love and care for our animals, but this is our responsibility, nobody else\’s. Take your Bush hating selves and get real. Next thing you know somebody will be mad at Bush because the traffic is too heavy or the flowers died or whatever.
Oh, one last thing. You people who insist on cutting and pasting every article are so lacking in your own thoughts. Make your own comments. Have an original thought.
I think it\’s great Rosie takes time off from the View to spend conversing with us. It\’s a free country, and we\’re entitled to our opinions, no matter how wrong, or nutty, or unbalanced, or weedwhacked, or painfully unhinged they may sound.
Keep in mind we only get to discuss insurance related issues, so we really don\’t get a chance to dive deep into a persons point of view. We\’re just tied down by insurance stuff, or I bet we\’d really get some great stuff going here.
Aunti writes:
\”Rosie, nobody called you names. This is about the stupidest line of comments on both sides of the argument I have ever seen. It\’s my responsibility to protect my animals, not the President or the King of Portugal. We have a cat that\’s dying (no connection to this problem) and it\’s tough on us too. We love and care for our animals, but this is our responsibility, nobody else\’s. Take your Bush hating selves and get real. Next thing you know somebody will be mad at Bush because the traffic is too heavy or the flowers died or whatever.
Oh, one last thing. You people who insist on cutting and pasting every article are so lacking in your own thoughts. Make your own comments. Have an original thought.\”
Well Aunti, I\’d have to say this post ranks right up there on MY list of the stupidest line of comments. Unless YOUR pet food bag clearly stated, \”I\’m full of poison\” I would think part of your responsibility towards your pet would be to FEED IT. It seems there are a vast number of \”interesting people\” on this site who let their love of Bush get in the way of rational thought.
When you die from the cyanide poisoning in your Lean Cuisine meal, will that also be due to the fact that you didn\’t take responsibility for testing your Lean Cuisine meal for cyanide?
Oh….and if you actually read the posts with the cut and paste info you might have discovered the cut and pasted material was actually documentation related to what the post was stating. A novel concept, I\’m sure….
Ok, the President of the United States is personally responsible for the quality of my cat\’s food. And that\’s not stupid? Prove that anyone in the government covered up this tragedy. No, it\’s much easier to write insults. Cutting and pasting what proof? I have seen articles that prove everything. None of which prove anything. Just because it\’s on the web or in writing doesn\’t mean it\’s proof. All I want to see is a little articulate thought and occasionally an original thought. Too much to hope for from most of the regular idiots posting on this site. This is my last posting on this subject so go ahead and call me names and twist more truths, if you can find any real thoughts in your empty heads Lisa and Rosie.
Well Aunty, if you can point out where I said the Idiot was personally responsible for the quality of your cat\’s food, I\’ll give you a cookie…..from Del Monte….
If you really think it takes almost three weeks to find out where that wheat gluten came from I\’ve got a bridge to sell you. They finally named the US distributor as Chemnutra. However, Chemnutra would not identify the companies they sold the wheat to. Why is that Aunty? I would think they know exactly who they sold their product to. In addition the identified Chinese supplier, Xuzhou Anying, has indicated they also sold the wheat gluten to a firm called Suzhou Hengrun and even more disturbing is the fact they did not produce the wheat gluten and had bought it from some other company. Why is Xuzhou Anying the only company whose shipments are being held in customs? I would seriously hope the people who are responsible for getting to the bottom of this do not need three weeks to find out who all of the companies involved in this mess are. You take your pick Aunty…1. They really ARE that stupid or 2. They\’re not informing us. Which one do think it is?
Lastly, where did I say \”proof\”? I said documentation. Where were you educated? Did you get past the Dick and Jane series to any type of class that involved reading comprehension?
I would agree with you on the need for more articulate thought. That DOES seem to be sadly lacking on this site.
I have two dogs. And one was free, but cost me a hell of a lot more than $50! Spent over $700 just on her knee!
Problem with the class action suit is that individual class members will end up with little more than couple bags of dog food (dry food, of course), and the team of lawyers will end up with hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars.
Yeah, I\’m concerned about what human food MAY have been affected, but I\’m not going to run and hide untill it\’s over, nor am I going to get pissy because Pres. Bush didn\’t address the nation on TV…
\”Ask not what your dog food can do for you, ask what you can do for your dog\’s food.\”
I can\’t resist responding to this post. My significant amount of serious reading and many years of experience in the world caused me to have a different opinion than you and that makes me stupid and uneducated. Wow, the logic of that stuns me. Everone who disagrees with your opinion is stupid. Well, sticks and stones lady. I thought I got too high up on my high horse sometimes, but your thoughts are way too complicated for this country child. Lighten up, we all take the deaths of pets seriously, we just don\’t agree on the level of governmental responsiblity in every single problem in the world.
Hello my fellow Americans, Insurance Peoples & the like, I write to bring a few more things to your attention.
First, Rosie, sorry Hun, but the President is really busy, however there is an ongoing investigation into this matter.
Second, Alberto Gonzales was doing what he was told & he works for the President. This is not the first time a President wanted folks fired – Clinton had almost all fired, so why does it become a scandal when Bush does it?
Third, e-coli outbreak from the spinach… I believe Willie Nelson’s press statement when they found marijuana on his tour bus. “Had it been spinach they would have all been dead!”
Fourth, the people in South Korea & their food chain may be in a bad way now…
Fifth, Excerpt from the article – \”Hall said pet owners would fare better if they joined in a class action suit.\” – BS because only the Attorneys fare better!!!
Sixth, Excerpt from the article – \”\”We are angered that a source outside the company has adulterated our product,\’\’ Menu Foods Chief Executive Paul Henderson said Friday.\” – Would he be happy if it was someone inside the company that adulterated their product?
Seventh, Excerpt from the article – \”Henderson insisted his company\’s products are safe and undergo the \”highest levels\’\’ of testing.\” – BS – had that been the case the tainted pet food would have been detected prior to it\’s distribution.
Eighth, It\’s not about the Dems & Reps & the Libs & the politics, it\’s about life & how we can make it better for our children & the generations to come.
Ninth, get back to the real reasons that your life has meaning, enjoy your families while they are here, spend your days doing things that will enrich your life, not infuriate you!
Thousands of people die everyday from cancer, heart attacks, horse riding accidents. There\’s a real national tragedy. Thank God Bush will be out of there in 600 plus days, and John Edwards will be on the scene to save the day. :-) As part of the inuaguration festivities, Christopher Reeve will rise from his grave and walk again. Hallelujah.
It\’s not that the level headed majority thinks neo-libs such as yourself should leave the country because you have a differing opinion, or even that they want you to leave. They are just saying lead by example. Many libs talk about how bad the U.S. is, and how great other countries are; the compassion of people like Achmidinezad, Chavez, etc. If the U.S. is such a horrible place and other parts of the world are really on to something, then lead by example and move there. Sell your many mansions, give away your millions, and live as they do.
Lisa, what is an \”acceptable\” time table for YOU with respect to the length of time it should take to conduct an investigation such as this? Since you are an expert on these types of investigations; do you think one day is acceptable, one week, nine days, two weeks? Just curious to your expert opinion in this matter.
If you\’re interested in homecooking, go to Balanceit.com. They have recipes created by board certified veterinary nutritionists. You can get a free recipe by entering the promo code \”homemade\” at the checkout.
Durbin announces pet-food hearing
Last Updated 4/5/2007 4:25:44 PM
CHICAGO (CNS) – A U.S. Senate subcommittee will examine the recent recall of contaminated pet food and consider ways to make products safer for cats and dogs, U.S. Sen. Dick Durbin said today.
Durbin, a Springfield Democrat, said Menu Food Inc.\’s voluntary recall of 60 millions cans and pouches of wet pet food in mid-March came several days after the manufacturer first noticed potential problems with the products. He also faulted a decentralized federal system for inspecting processing plants.
\”This was a breakdown and a failure,\” Durbin, joined by several dogs and their owners, said during a news conference at a Chicago park. \”It has brought a lot of pain, a lot of heartache and a lot of worry to pet owners all across America. We can do a better job in Washington.\”
Durbin said at least 15 dogs and cats are believed to have been fatally poisoned by the Menu Foods products, which include dozens of brands, but the number of animal deaths could be considerably higher. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration determined that Chinese-imported wheat gluten used in the food was contaminated with a form of rat poison.
The Senate Agriculture Appropriations Subcommittee will hold a hearing on the poisonings within the next couple of weeks, said Durbin, the Senate\’s majority whip. He said witnesses will include FDA officials and outside experts.
kind of eerie…it only took 8 hours for my requested help to arrive in the form of Dick Durbin…could he be a fellow Insurance Journal Junkee? which poster could he be?
\”Clinton lied, nobody died…\”
C\’mon now. If you really want to live and play in that naive world, I could follow with : at least Bush is trying to save the world, while Clinton was ignoring Bin Laden because he was too busy dropping his pants in the oval office and then trying to take the focus off of his sick behavior by bombing aspirin factories.
Do I feel better? Not really. Does it serve any purpose? Not so much.
Carry on.
worry not, my fellow citizens. I have lit the Batsignal and Batman and Robin will soon be driving in to the rescue. Batman is really sensitive about these things; he\’s really close to the bats, you know, and I think he\’s pretty cool looking in the dark getup he wears.
Batman will talk to the president, and there will be a congressional hearing. Then, they will take the evidence to the UN, where Russia will vote against sanctions against China, but will continue to sell China parts so they can make bad food stuff to ship over here. Now you know why Batman is needed; the president is powerless. Even Rosie needs help on this one. Word has it Superman would help, but he is busy caring for Krypto; no, he didn\’t eat any of the bad stuff, he got into a little problem with a lassie…well, it\’s birds and bees kind of stuff.
Help us Batman!
since the courts can\’t provide relief, the only way this national tragedy can be appropriately dealt with would be through administrative action. If only we had a president who cared about domestic issues, this could be addressed. But Bush & Co. wouldn\’t want to harm the pet food industry profits. Thank God,,,658 days left
you need a life. If you dislike things so much – PLEASE move to another country. You will have all our blessings
I thought she was kidding and being sarcastic.
I like to take pot-shots at the current administration myself, but I don\’t mean them seriously.
I\’m so tired of neo-cons like yourself saying that anyone who disagrees with the Administration needs to leave the country. This pet food scandal has been headline news for weeks now, and has one government official made any public comment? No. They are too busy covering up for Gonzalez and their mistakes in Iraq.
…..or perhaps Rosie, some of the Dems and Repubs in Washington DC realize that it is NOT the responsibility of government to kiss every \”oweeee\” and make it feel better.
I am not a big supporter of current leadership. But come on…..The Bush administration most likely has not commented on it because there are serious issues going on — A war in Iraq, energy costs that are skyrocketing, the economics of our country, auto companies laying off thousands of people and you want him to stop working on this to work on a pet food problem. Investigations are taking place — as they should — the President of the United States does not need to get involved.
thank you for the maturity in your reply. It proves my point about Bush supporters.
I don\’t think it matters if you are conservative or liberal, Rosie\’s comments were juvenial and assinine. I am a HUGE dog lover, spent my high school years working in an animal hospital. But I honestly think that if the President of the United States of America took time from his schedule to address THIS situation, I would be deeply disappointed that he couldn\’t find anything better to do with his time. What\’s next Rosie, a press conference every day for men and women who pass away from cancer, aids, etc….?
If you meant it in jest, it was a very lame joke. Maybe we should have Bush say a few words for your lack of sense of humor.
Egads, I stand corrected. She wasn\’t kidding.
Ohhhhkay then.
Y\’all have fun with that. -eek-
Hmmm…you don\’t think this is a serious matter? It appears some of us need to use our brains. It\’s entirely likely this crap has made it into OUR food supply and also clearly illustrates how easy it WOULD be to contaminate our food supply in the FUTURE.
And I\’m wondering if you might be thinking with your little head….
I think everyone is working way too hard. Don\’t take life so seriously and lighten up. I took Rosie\’s comments with a grain of salt and thought it was commical. I do feel sorry for the people that lost there pets but that is what there are is just pets. Life goes on.
You know what I find to be a shame? That Bill Clinton sleeping with another woman is not illegal, but LYING UNDER OATH is. It saddens me so many American\’s missed the boat on that one.
shame people with a red state mentality do not comprehend the gravitas of this situation. They would rather call people names. I bring up an issue and I am called a dope and a lesbian, among other things.
It appears quite a few of us here are obsessed with Rosie. Maybe we should get past Rosie and actually read the news. I\’ll repeat…..this was FOOD GRADE gluten. It\’s not just about pets. It also clearly indicates our own food supply is NOT SAFE. Is there some part of this that\’s difficult to understand? Maybe if I post it in Spanish a few more of you will be able to understand this….
Maybe it\’s now time to pull your heads out???
http://www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/2007/04/03/was_human_food_tainted_too/
Was human food tainted too?
Suspect gluten went to plants that make products for people, FDA says
By Diedtra Henderson, Globe Staff | April 3, 2007
ROCKVILLE, Md. — Tainted wheat gluten that triggered a massive nationwide pet food recall also ended up in processing plants that prepare food consumed by people, the Food and Drug Administration said yesterday. While agency leaders offered assurances that the nation\’s food supply remains safe, they said they cannot yet completely rule out contamination of human food by the suspect wheat gluten, which contained melamine, a chemical found in plastics and pesticides.
According to import records, the wheat gluten was shipped to the United States from Nov. 3, 2006 to Jan. 23 of this year and contained \”minimal labeling\” to indicate whether it was intended for humans or animals. The vast majority went to pet food manufacturers and distributors, according to the FDA. But some of the processing plants that remain under FDA scrutiny make both human and pet food.
\”To date, we have nothing that indicates it\’s gone into human food,\” said Dorothy Miller , director of the FDA\’s Office of Emergency Operations . \”We have a bit more investigation to do.\”
The food scare began early last month when cats involved in a routine Menu Foods Ltd. taste trial refused to eat. Within days, the Canadian company alerted a university lab that assists with its testing that the cat food could be toxic. On March 16 , Menu Foods recalled 60 million cans and pouches of wet pet food. In recent days, the recall has grown to nearly 100 brands, including food manufactured by Del Monte Foods Co.\’s pet products division, Hill\’s Pet Nutrition Inc. , and Nestle Purina Pet Care Co.
Confused pet owners, reeling as the list of recalled products grows each day, will likely face more aftershocks. \”It\’s impossible for us to say, at this time, that there won\’t be additional recalls,\” said David Elder , director of the FDA\’s Office of Enforcement . \”We\’re continuing to follow the trail, and wherever the facts and the science lead us is where this investigation will be taken.\”
The FDA has traced the pet food problem to a single exporter , Xuzhou Anying Biologic Technology Development Co. in Wangdien , China , and is now blocking the company\’s wheat gluten shipments. The agency also is tracing the route of nearly three months\’ supply of the gluten in the United States, where it is used as a thickener.
Unlike a contaminant traced to the dirt in which food is grown or tainted water used for irrigation, the suspect ingredient in the pet food is unusual, said FDA commissioner Andrew von Eschenbach . Bread products, in general, have not been at risk for problems, and wheat gluten undergoes some processing, which can lessen the risk a contaminant could pose. In addition, the contaminant is chemical , not microbial , making it \”very unusual,\” von Eschenbach said.
Underscoring America\’s love affair with cats and dogs, the agency said it has received 9,400 complaints about pet food since the controversy began — nearly double the number of complaints for all topics last year. In an \”unprecedented\” show of force, the FDA assigned 400 employees to track down the suspect shipments, field worried calls, and test 430 samples of potentially contaminated wet and dry food, said Michael Rogers , who directs FDA field investigations .
Glenn Daley , 45, of the Assonet section of Freetown, Mass. , was among the callers. Chance, a cat he rescued from the pound, ate dry food on week days and, for six weeks, got Menu Foods as a special treat on weekends.
\”He loved the food,\” said Daley .
Shortly after a Jan. 12 veterinarian\’s visit that found the 10-year-old cat in good health, \”he started going down hill,\” Daley said. Blood work showed that Chance had lost 95 percent of kidney function. He was euthanized on Feb. 27 .
Daley blames Menu Foods, saying the 10 pouches of Special Kitty food that he saved have product codes that match the recalled product.
\”There is no doubt in my mind that was what it was,\” he said. \”If we had known sooner there was a problem, we might not have had to put him down. That irritates us a bit.\”
Here\’s a bit of additional news for a few of you brainiacs on here….
When melamine is heated to a great enough temperature it produces a by-product. That by-product is cyanide. Gee…I sure hope that melamine infected wheat gluten didn\’t make it to any bread makers…
No one is doubting that an investigation needs to take place and according to the news report, one is taking place, but the point of this discussion that has taken off is Rosie\’s comment that President Bush should be doing something — most people would prefer he focus on big problems and let the investigation take place.
Shakin\’ my head at this one.
Wonder if the War is putting us all a little on edge.
Good time for the Four Immeasurables:
May all living beings have happiness and the causes of happiness.
May all living beings be free from misery and the causes of misery.
May all living beings never be separated from happines; may they be devoid of misery.
May all living beings abide in equanmity, free from prejuducial attachments and aversions.
Take good care my fellow insurance human beings.
Serious, I\’m extremely sorry but the thought of cyanide in my morning Wheaties doe not leave me with a warm and fuzzy feeling. It seems quite a few people on this board are just not going to \”get it\” until they actually \”get it\” in the form of poison in your food.
Lisa – I appreciate what your saying, but I think those of us that have a problem with Rosie\’s comments were that she wanted Bush to make a comment on people losing their pets. Maybe if she had articulated more and suggested what YOU are suggesting, the rest of the yahoo\’s wouldn\’t be so upset.
But to be honest, I don\’t remember any comments from the whitehouse when there was that E-Coli breakout. Furthermore, is that something the White House needs to comment on??? Shouldn\’t information regarding these matters come from the places that do the research and solve the problems???? Maybe the CDC??? I\’m just saying.
Let\’s be civil.
Lisa
It wasn\’t Bush et al that\’s sold this country to the highest bidder. That\’s been going on for a long time and started when the democrats who were in charge and by the way – they\’ve had the majority in the house and senate for years at a time and THAT\’S where all the power is and they\’ve made a right cock-up of it. We\’re owned by so many foreign conglomerates it\’s no wonder our culture is up for grabs. (Hello – Press 1 for English; Press 2 for non-english then hang up til you learn it!)
Lisa, just because you are registered Independent, as am I, that does not mean you can\’t be \”leftist\”. I happen to be very conseravtive, but since tiring of party politics, I dumped the GOP.
As far as this \”crisis\” over pet food, even if it is food grade, the President does not need to concern himself with the issue. That\’s why there is the FDA.
The job of the President of the United States of America is to run the country, not micro-manage every issue that comes along. Just because the press covers an issue for an extended amount of time, doesn\’t make it of national importance. Case in point; the coverage of Anna Nicole Smith\’s death. Ridiculous!!
Excellent point. Rosie wanted Bush to do something, such as…? I know let\’s have him do an investigation to see what happened. He\’d probably have to appoint someone in the executive branch of government with an expertise in this area to do that. Wait a minute, isn\’t that already going on?
Jesus people, the sky is not falling!!. We are not going to be poisoned to death in mass quantities, nor are we going to boil over due to global warming. More people have died already driving to work today than will die from food poisoning brought on by tainted food in an entire year. As far as pets go, I bet more have been euthanized in Animal hospitals in the last 5 days due to lack of space than all that have died from tainted food. Get a grip people and look at the numbers as a whole.
Sorry, couldn\’t help myself with that subject. Isn\’t the point of this forum to have open discussions like this? I admit, sometimes they get completely off subject and not really insurance related…but minus the insults, I love hearing other\’s perspectives, and I love to see people get rilled up! It\’s life!!
Posted By: Big Insurance
Comment:
Let\’s be civil.
hehehehehehe. (you know what I mean Big, don\’t you?)
This thread really blew up while I was at lunch. I liked the posts once I took out all of the unnecessary insults.
at least there you get paid for making no sense
You are right Courtney. It still amazes me how many illiterate inbred morons populate these forums and think the all mighty Madame Bela-Pelosi and her ilk can save the day.
I did \’t know that Rosie O\’Donnell read these articles.
Rosie I think it\’s time to renew your Weight Watchers membership… or maybe that is just hot air build up.
I find it funny anyone thinks they would get more from a class action lawsuit other than the attys! Surprise, the legal expert suggests this route.
If they are illiterate, I doubt they would be posting, let alone reading the articles. (Just trying to help you out!)
Neither option will adequately compensate people who lost a pet. They are classified as property. That means if you got your pet from the local shelter and paid $50, you\’ll get $50.
Lisa,
Thanks for the article. It contained some good information.
The ire in many of these comments does not come from a lack of perspective as to possible human food contamination, but from Rosie\’s contention that President Bush should roll up his sleaves and start giving CPR to our pets. He has people to do that for him, namely the FDA.
The article you posted quoated an FDA official:
\”To date, we have nothing that indicates it\’s gone into human food,\” said Dorothy Miller , director of the FDA\’s Office of Emergency Operations . \”We have a bit more investigation to do.\”
Let\’s not go insane speculating how safe our food supply is, when all indications are that it is safe.
I suppose to the rabid lefties, Bush is to blame. Alberto Gonzales fired a few attorneys, so he must be part of the conspiracy. It wasn\’t Islamist terrorists that took the British hostages either, but Iranian freedom fighters; and it wasn\’t because of the weakness shown by the Bush-haters that emboldened them either – right?
It\’s \”Jimmy Carter\” time in the U.S. Congress, with the \”give peace a chance\” crowd who would rather remain ignorant of the risks, lose what we have, and blame Bush for losing it rather than here own selfish navel gazing pseudo-intellectual selves.
And yes, I\’m a proud conservative from a blue state, never \”Neo\” always \”Con\”.
Halliburton!
Your right Courtney, illiterate was the wrong choice of words. How about mis-informed and gullible
And they thought we were nuts!
Thank you for at least realizing we\’ve got a problem. The difference between the two is that the e-coli was a naturally occuring organism that contaminated the spinach via water run-off and it came from the United States. The infected wheat gluten is contaminated with some kind of chemical (who knows which one? The \”experts\” can\’t even seem to agree…) and was imported into this country. Should Bush, himself, find the cause of the contamination? No. Would it be nice if he acknowledged there might be a problem? Well, I guess that would be a matter of opinion.
Works for me!
Subject: Were we talking about pet food lawsuits?
Posted On: April 3, 2007, 2:08 pm CDT
It\’s funny that you mention \”remain ignorant of the risks\”. Did you read the article I posted? It seems funny to me that Bush supporters would rather make entire posts about \”downfalls\” of the leftists rather than discuss the issue at hand. I don\’t recall this thread being labeled \”What are your opinions on the \’give peace a chance crowd\’ and their thoughts on the war?\”.
Lisa,
The article is about pet food lawsuits, however Rosie kicked things off with her post about Pres. Bush (see below for a reminder). She feels that since people won\’t get much relief from the courts, the \”administration\” should provide relief for this \”national tragedy\”, but Bush doesn\’t care \”about domestic issues\”.
\”Subject: Shame Bush won\’t take action
Posted On: April 3, 2007, 9:49 am CDT
Posted By: Rosie
Comment:
since the courts can\’t provide relief, the only way this national tragedy can be appropriately dealt with would be through administrative action. If only we had a president who cared about domestic issues, this could be addressed. But Bush & Co. wouldn\’t want to harm the pet food industry profits. Thank God,,,658 days left\”
Hey, my real concern is for Ray Balaamababa. He told this wonderful story about going to Walmart and eating dogfood as a new part of his diet. I just want to make sure that Ray is OK and has not consumed any tainted food…
Wake up people.
This food was processed in China and ended up in our pets food. Now, the larger problem is the total distribution of this stuff. How far and how many countries does this stuff end up in.
My point and concern is that if this pet food is killing our cats and dogs, I fear for the population of North Korea…
Well Mark, what does it say about us when instead of focusing on the issue at hand we just make the thread about Rosie. I guess that\’s why Anna Nicole Smith was in the news for weeks on end. It seems the citizens of this country would rather focus on a bunch of nonsense instead of what\’s important.
Also, parts of her post WERE true. Anyone who bought their animal from a shelter will get a whopping $50. Do you own a dog Mark? My dog is worth a whole lot more than $50 to me. Also, anyone who DOES own a dog may want to do a bit of research as to what exactly is in your dog\’s food.
http://www.api4animals.org/facts.php?p=359&more=1
It\’s a crime that the pet food companies did not have the quality control in place to catch this before it hit the market. Unfortunately, the law does not protect the rights of pets to the same extent of people. Even though it\’s a tough message, the law is not going to change and certainly the president of United States should not be involved. He has staff to deal with this.
the companies that admitted the contaminant or recalled product, will lose significant business and most likely they will collect little by way of insurance.
We psnd more on our pets than the GDP of some countries.
Think about whats in your take out Chinese food these days. Look for the \”meat\’ to be offered at some really great prices, \’cause there is now a big supply.
Lisa, what does your dog taste like? Orange beef??
Where ya at? You haven\’t said much in awhile. Is it dinner time for you?
my guess is Rosie\’s alarm clock goes off bright and early each day, with a warm verbal greeting of \”what can be blame Bush for today…What can we blame Bush for today…What can we blame bush for today\”
Why, with all the issues going on in the world, like them or not, should our president get in the middle of a pet food situation? Like him or not, I hope he\’s focused on more pressing issues than pet food.
without calling me names. This is another embarassing byproduct of the Karl Rove and Tom DeLay approach to the issues of the day, where name calling is considered thoughtful discussion.
Oh…I see we have another blankety blank idiot. My Cavaliers doesn\’t eat any of the crap dog food that was recalled. They\’ve been fed raw dog food for at least five years now.
I hear she eats in raw
I do hope the pet food industry finds out soon what caused the deaths of many peoples pets. We lost a border collie that was well trained to work cattle and was my husbands hired man at working cattle. I thought I was feeding her the best I could. The vets say not people food. Sure wish I would have cooked for my dog, my husband is still alive and he eats my food. I didn\’t realize their was so much imported food in our dog foods. Guess I don\’t believe in this outsourcing that is going on. Use American Made.
Are there really insurance people on this board or is the title of this website a misnomer? Of course, I do have to admit I\’ve worked with a lot of idiot agents in my time who can\’t even seem to fill out an ACORD app without getting tripped up so maybe I\’ve answered my own question.
Ann, thank you for an intelligent comment! They seem to be sadly lacking here. My dogs get Farmore dog food http://www.farmoredogfood.com. You might want to check out the benefits of feeding your dog raw food. You have my sympathy on the loss of your dog.
Everyone likes to point the finger at someone. Some like to point at Bush, some at Menu Foods, some at the… well you get the point.
The problem is that Menu Foods did exactly what everyone of us has done or still do on a daily basis.
We take things at face value. Surely they had purchased the wheat gluten from this source before and they didn\’t have any problems. Now there is a problem that has led to the death of many beloved pets.
Problem is, and we don\’t know yet where the blame rests. Before we start throwing the stones, lets get the facts. Did it come from something in China? Did it happen during transprotation to here? Did Menu Foods add it to the mix? We don\’t know and before any conclusion of where the blame is and what needs to be done to fix it, I would like the facts.
Lisa, Have a sense of humor at Rosie\’s expense. We all just had to laugh at her, and she deserved every bit of it!!
Rosie, good for you, apparently you hit a few nerves! This is not just a pet food issue, this is a food issue! But there are those who will side for the Bush Adm. regards. He should appoint someone to investigate this matter. And pets are very important to some of us.
DDT,
Here is some information about \”quality control\” in China. You\’ll have to excuse me when I don\’t have a lot of sympathy for Menu foods. My memory might be a bit faulty but I do believe that we actually do grow something called WHEAT in THIS COUNTRY. I know….I too was amazed when I recently discovered this…
Anyway, here is the info about China. Is this where you want YOUR food additives produced because guess what? Additives from China are going in YOUR food too….
How safe are food imports when they reach Australia?
Excerpt from the report\’s \”Executive Summary:\” The Committee considers there is cause for concern over the current status of Thailand’s environment, widespread pollution of waterways and inadequate treatment and disposal of solid waste being the most pressing issues. Of further concern, high levels of organochlorine pesticides in Thai women suggests excessive environmental and/or dietary exposure. The Committee also believes the current status of China’s environment warrants concern. The weight of evidence suggests that there are continued high levels of organochlorine pesticides in some regions, and perhaps more disturbingly, continued input of some of these pesticides.
Summary findings on the safety of foodstuffs imported from China:
Finding 53
The weight of evidence suggests there is a high level of environmental contamination by organochlorine pesticides and other potentially toxic chemicals in some regions of China.
Finding 54
A number of recent studies of China’s environment point to recent input of DDT, although its use in agriculture was officially banned in 1983. Recent DDT contamination is thought to be due mainly to continued use of dicofol, a pesticide that is made from DDT and which may contain high levels of DDT contamination. Analysis of dicofol preparations in China in 2003 found an average 244 grams per kilogram (24.4 percent) of DDT and its metabolites.
Finding 55
Levels of DDT in breast milk of Chinese women is many times higher than the levels detected in Australian women. Further, the ratio of DDE (a DDT metabolite) to DDT, is much lower than in Australian women, suggesting that Chinese women have been exposed more recently to DDT than Australian women.
In 2003, the Australian Centre for International Agricultural Research (ACIAR)363 was invited by the China Council for International Cooperation on Environment and Development (CCICED) to participate in a task force charged with examining key agricultural and rural development policy issues faced by China in the early 21st century. Based on its observations over the period of its involvement in the task force, ACIAR made the following general comments on the issues China
currently faces with regard to ensuring food safety:
The formal education level of most farmers is low. Standards and regulations covering crop input manufacture, application rates and waste management are not rigorously enforced;
China is now the world leader in both inorganic fertiliser and pesticide consumption. In the past 30 years, while world nitrogen fertiliser application increased by 7 times, China’s nitrogen use in crop production increased 45 times. On average, nitrogen use per hectare is about 3 times the world average;
Various pesticide compounds have been produced and applied to crops. Many whose use has been curtailed or banned in other countries are still widely used in China. Among them are pesticides that are known to leave toxic residues in the environment;
There is growing concern about the increasing use of fertilisers and pesticides that cause pollution of rivers, lakes and sea from run-off and seepage, and thereby become sources of ecological problems. China’s accession to WTO has raised food-safety concerns due to residual effects of high rates of fertiliser and pesticide application;
Several studies have shown that high rates of fertiliser and pesticide application are partially due to ineffective extension services to advise farmers on input rates and nutrient balance;
Use of proven integrated pest management (IPM) techniques is still not widespread.
Pesticide application rates in China are still rising while they are falling everywhere in Southeast Asia;
Average annual growth rates [of the livestock sector] have been 2-5% faster than the crop sector and the livestock sector’s share of total agricultural GDP has doubled. The environmental costs have been high, with large volumes of solid wastes from pig and poultry units and 40% or more of wastes being discharged without treatment into watercourses; and
There is no national strategy to deal with the waste-disposal system. Some provinces have responded to the problem, but have been hindered by the lack of adequate regulatory and economic mechanisms to ensure compliance.
Despite strengthening of regulations and monitoring of food safety, reports of unsafe or contaminated food [in China] still appear to be relatively common. Some examples are provided below:
In November 2001, 40 farmers in China’s Jiangsu Province suffered food poisoning and the following day 484 people were reported to have eaten contaminated pork in Guandong Province. An official from the Ministry of Health indicated that unsafe use of pesticides and growth-enhancing hormones were the major causes of such food poisoning outbreaks.
According to Ministry statistics, the number of food producing entities grew from 1.2 to 5 million between 1995 to 2000 and many small scale food producers were using unhygienic facilities to meet increasing demands;
In January 2002, shortly after joining the WTO, the EU suspended imports of all products of animal origin from China after finding residues of the antibiotic chloramphenicol in 24 batches of frozen shrimp. The ban was imposed because the EU considered China’s system to control residues of veterinary chemicals in farmed animals to be inadequate at the time.
In April 2004, thirteen infants were reported to have died of nutritional deficiencies and more than 170 suffered severe malnutrition in east China’s Anhui Province after consuming substandard milk powder. Although national standards dictate the contents of infant milk powders, investigations revealed that producers had replaced essential nutritional elements with starch and sugar.
In January 2005, figures released at a national conference on food and drug supervision and management indicated that 390,000 cases of production and/or sale of fake or substandard food were investigated in 2003, of which 128,000 were prosecuted;
In May 2005, health officials raised concerns about a dramatic increase in the rate of foodborne parasitic infections in the last ten years. Incidences of liver fluke infections were reported to have increased by 75 percent according to a Ministry of Health survey of 31 provinces from 2001 to 2004. The increasing incidence of parasitic infestation was attributed to increased consumption of raw seafood;
A July 2005 media report estimated that more than 70 percent of China’s 106,000 registered food makers are small family businesses hiring less than 10 people, and at least 60 percent of these cannot meet the most basic sanitary standards;
In July 2005, the discovery of malachite green in fish sold in Henan province prompted calls for nationwide inspections for the product, which was banned from use in 2002. Beijing’s Food Safety Office indicated that routine testing did not include malachite green. A Shanghai Fishery Office Official claimed that some fish farmers continue to use malachite green to treat parasitic and fungal infections because it is cheap. Six weeks later, 10 of 25 samples of freshwater fish imported to Hong Kong from the mainland also tested positive to malachite green.
In July 2005, the Assistant Minister of Commerce claimed that China still faces a serious situation in the matter of food safety, with the failure rate of food hygiene as high as 8 percent and the rate of excessive pesticide residues in vegetables still around 7 percent;
In October 2005, regulators confirmed that some polyvinyl chloride food wrappers used in China contain DEHA, a substance that may cause cancer. Although the national standard on PVC food wraps, released in 1988, did not prohibit the use of DEHA, the compound was not listed on a 2003 national standard, which lists safe substances that can be used in wrapping materials.
I won\’t back down from starting a discussion because those on the other side call me names and question my feminimity. And I won\’t stop demanding action even if it makes others angry.
Rosie Babe……….
You have to admit that suggesting the President of the United States get involved with dogs and cats was pretty stupid. There are more than enough human problems for him to deal with.
While this may sound harsh to you, your pet was a piece of personal property under the law. You may have persoanlly attached a ridiculously high emotional value to it. It wasn\’t a human being Rosie. Get a grip and set some perspective.
Nobody set out to poision pets. Nobody even knows for sure what happened. Whatever it turns out to be, it was an unfortunate ACCIDENT! Like it or not accidents happen in the real world. Considering all the crap dogs & cats eat while outside, do you really think anybody thought the quality standards were too low? At least the ingredients were consistent. Unfortunately in this batch, something went awry.
I\’m appalled at the typical emotional response of \”let\’s sue\”. What will that accomplish? Next thing you know nobody will make pet foods because the \”malpractice insurance\” costs will be too high. S _ _ T Happens Rosie. Deal with it.
ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff,ruff, ruff (translated to rub my belly)
\”An Ottawa woman has become violently ill after eating some of her dog\’s food,\” the Canadian Press reports:
After noticing her dog, Missy, wasn\’t eating, [Eliane] Larabie said she took bites of Missy\’s Iams pet food in order to trick the terrier into thinking it was people food.
The ploy worked and the mealtime routine continued for about two weeks until both dog and master became sick on March 17.
It wasn\’t until she saw a TV news story about the Menu Foods recall that she connected the dots, ever so slowly.
\”I\’m just wondering when the Prime Minister is going to do something. We voted for him, yet he doesn\’t seem to care about our animals. What about me? I almost died from eating catfood? I could\’ve died, but no one is doing anything? If the PM doesn\’t do something soon, I\’m going to move to America. Their government cares about animals.\”
Well Bill Reed, you\’ve just officially pissed me off. My dogs are NOT just some animal. I breed and show Cavalier King Charles Spaniels. They are not just \”some dog\”. They ARE a part of my family. My guess is you don\’t own a dog. (I doubt one would have you. I always trust my dogs reactions to people. It\’s kind of funny. They can spot the JA\’s before me…)
My uncle has been blind since age 22. He\’s had a seeing eye dog since that time and has managed to run his company with the aid of several of them. Do you think they were \”Just a dog\” to him? People like you really piss me off. Quite frankly, I would rather have the company of dogs than someone like you any day of the week.
this wouldn\’t be a problem if you owners would quit cutting back on our rights! We\’re hunters! We like to stalk our food and eat it on the spot. How would you like to eat some dried up drivel every day from the same plate; and from the floor at that. Never a choice on beverages; water water water; good grief, cry me a river, but what\’s the deal with the warm water from the sink. You keep your water bottle in that big box and I see ice in it sometimes, yet you want me to eat where your feet walk. If you\’ve notice, that cat sits right next to my dish, that\’s just like having someones butt plopped in your face everyday when you eat.
At least the bologna scraps have picked up since this thing started. The laugher is on you, as it was we, the dogs and cats, who spiked the food so we\’d get a break from that canned and bagged stuff you think we call food.
We\’re sick of waggin\’ our tails for that stuff; either get us something with taste, or we\’ll take a bite out of something for taste, if you know what I mean. At least get my food online, maybe from Canada or something; I hear they care about their pets there. Not like that phoney Bush and that mechanical dog he prances around with on the White House lawn!
Ruff!
In addition, Bill, the majority of the pet food industry has been slowly poisoning our pets for the last forty years. Ever hear of BHA, BTA and Ethoxyquin? They\’re cancer causing agents. They\’re in a majority of the pet foods for sale. Do you know what poultry by-products are? You might want to look into that. The only news with the recent recalls is the poisonings are now acute vs chronic…
I\’ve talked with Lassie and McGruff the crime dog, and they\’re tired of this stuff too. We used to have freedoms. Now, if I run the street, the guys with the nets come after me. You put those flea collars on me, and guess what: the fleas live under them for protection! So much for you being the dominant species. All that because of the patriot act restricting our rights. Just cause my signature requires a paw print doesn\’t mean I don\’t have feelings.
Give me some real food. I like meat. quit giving me those soy processed things and making me \’beg\’ for it. Do you think they smell like bacon? Hey stupid, my smell is like 100 times more senstive than yours, wanna know what they smell like to me?
I\’m sick of playing your role games; roll over…beg…sit up…how about how many stitches would you like?
If you\’re too cheap to get me a steak, at least get me a Whopper, but hold all that lettuce and tomato crap, I don\’t need the fiber. But keep the onion, that way I can gag you with my breath as my special way of saying \”thank you you cheap piece of human waste\”.
While we\’re at it, we want some changes.
No more calling wieners/franks \’hot dogs\’. Why is it ok to call a dog Hot? I\’ve got all this fur, and I see you sitting under your fan because you can\’t handle a little heat. It\’s insulting and we\’re offended. Ya know who\’s really sick of this? That\’s right: wiener dogs! Thank my waggin\’ tail I wasn\’t born into that mess of genes; good grief, it\’s bad enough to go thru life with your belly draggin\’ the floor, (and it could use a cleaning, that upright machine is called a vaccuum), but to be called a \’wiener\’, well, let\’s just say they probably don\’t feel too good about that.
I\’ve got some cousins who are German Shephards; they don\’t like being associated with Hitler, either. Poodles are sick of those wierd little haircuts, too. Poodles used to be considered fearsome warrior dogs, now you\’ve ruined that, too.
I don\’t care; my stuff was done in black and white, long before the 12 versions of lassie came along (oooh, what\’s this week…is Timmy in the well, Lassie). What was that plopping sound, Lassie? That\’s me takin\’ a dump on Timmy, you overrated inbreed.
I\’d be less hostile with some more MEAT! I know where Rosie is coming from; this stuff is awful.
While a couple of you seem to think you\’re pretty funny comedians, what\’s funny is there\’s more than a little truth in what you write (except for the part about onions….they\’re poisonous to dogs.) What do you think dogs ate before dog food companies graced us with their presence?
we\’ve been trying to get our story out there. Oprah won\’t return my calls. The only one who calls is Phil Donohue, and he doesn\’t have a show anymore. Not that anyone watched when he did, but I digress. That stuff from the can tastes like tin, and I don\’t mean rin-tin-tin. What about Cat flavor? we\’d like that! Cat\’s get fish flavor, why can\’t we get cat?
I think we should have a dog on the presidents cabinet. That could leave a stain, though. Or a ring if they insist on using another dang water dish. Ruff.
Rosie, nobody called you names. This is about the stupidest line of comments on both sides of the argument I have ever seen. It\’s my responsibility to protect my animals, not the President or the King of Portugal. We have a cat that\’s dying (no connection to this problem) and it\’s tough on us too. We love and care for our animals, but this is our responsibility, nobody else\’s. Take your Bush hating selves and get real. Next thing you know somebody will be mad at Bush because the traffic is too heavy or the flowers died or whatever.
Oh, one last thing. You people who insist on cutting and pasting every article are so lacking in your own thoughts. Make your own comments. Have an original thought.
I think it\’s great Rosie takes time off from the View to spend conversing with us. It\’s a free country, and we\’re entitled to our opinions, no matter how wrong, or nutty, or unbalanced, or weedwhacked, or painfully unhinged they may sound.
Keep in mind we only get to discuss insurance related issues, so we really don\’t get a chance to dive deep into a persons point of view. We\’re just tied down by insurance stuff, or I bet we\’d really get some great stuff going here.
Thanks, Thanks. But are you a dog owned by Bill Reed? My Cavaliers like cats.
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Aunti writes:
\”Rosie, nobody called you names. This is about the stupidest line of comments on both sides of the argument I have ever seen. It\’s my responsibility to protect my animals, not the President or the King of Portugal. We have a cat that\’s dying (no connection to this problem) and it\’s tough on us too. We love and care for our animals, but this is our responsibility, nobody else\’s. Take your Bush hating selves and get real. Next thing you know somebody will be mad at Bush because the traffic is too heavy or the flowers died or whatever.
Oh, one last thing. You people who insist on cutting and pasting every article are so lacking in your own thoughts. Make your own comments. Have an original thought.\”
Well Aunti, I\’d have to say this post ranks right up there on MY list of the stupidest line of comments. Unless YOUR pet food bag clearly stated, \”I\’m full of poison\” I would think part of your responsibility towards your pet would be to FEED IT. It seems there are a vast number of \”interesting people\” on this site who let their love of Bush get in the way of rational thought.
When you die from the cyanide poisoning in your Lean Cuisine meal, will that also be due to the fact that you didn\’t take responsibility for testing your Lean Cuisine meal for cyanide?
Oh….and if you actually read the posts with the cut and paste info you might have discovered the cut and pasted material was actually documentation related to what the post was stating. A novel concept, I\’m sure….
I just wanted to see how many REs we could get up to.
Ok, the President of the United States is personally responsible for the quality of my cat\’s food. And that\’s not stupid? Prove that anyone in the government covered up this tragedy. No, it\’s much easier to write insults. Cutting and pasting what proof? I have seen articles that prove everything. None of which prove anything. Just because it\’s on the web or in writing doesn\’t mean it\’s proof. All I want to see is a little articulate thought and occasionally an original thought. Too much to hope for from most of the regular idiots posting on this site. This is my last posting on this subject so go ahead and call me names and twist more truths, if you can find any real thoughts in your empty heads Lisa and Rosie.
Well Aunty, if you can point out where I said the Idiot was personally responsible for the quality of your cat\’s food, I\’ll give you a cookie…..from Del Monte….
If you really think it takes almost three weeks to find out where that wheat gluten came from I\’ve got a bridge to sell you. They finally named the US distributor as Chemnutra. However, Chemnutra would not identify the companies they sold the wheat to. Why is that Aunty? I would think they know exactly who they sold their product to. In addition the identified Chinese supplier, Xuzhou Anying, has indicated they also sold the wheat gluten to a firm called Suzhou Hengrun and even more disturbing is the fact they did not produce the wheat gluten and had bought it from some other company. Why is Xuzhou Anying the only company whose shipments are being held in customs? I would seriously hope the people who are responsible for getting to the bottom of this do not need three weeks to find out who all of the companies involved in this mess are. You take your pick Aunty…1. They really ARE that stupid or 2. They\’re not informing us. Which one do think it is?
Lastly, where did I say \”proof\”? I said documentation. Where were you educated? Did you get past the Dick and Jane series to any type of class that involved reading comprehension?
I would agree with you on the need for more articulate thought. That DOES seem to be sadly lacking on this site.
I have two dogs. And one was free, but cost me a hell of a lot more than $50! Spent over $700 just on her knee!
Problem with the class action suit is that individual class members will end up with little more than couple bags of dog food (dry food, of course), and the team of lawyers will end up with hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars.
Yeah, I\’m concerned about what human food MAY have been affected, but I\’m not going to run and hide untill it\’s over, nor am I going to get pissy because Pres. Bush didn\’t address the nation on TV…
\”Ask not what your dog food can do for you, ask what you can do for your dog\’s food.\”
I can\’t resist responding to this post. My significant amount of serious reading and many years of experience in the world caused me to have a different opinion than you and that makes me stupid and uneducated. Wow, the logic of that stuns me. Everone who disagrees with your opinion is stupid. Well, sticks and stones lady. I thought I got too high up on my high horse sometimes, but your thoughts are way too complicated for this country child. Lighten up, we all take the deaths of pets seriously, we just don\’t agree on the level of governmental responsiblity in every single problem in the world.
u can trust a dog
u cannot trust George Dubba-u
and his flea cheney
Hello my fellow Americans, Insurance Peoples & the like, I write to bring a few more things to your attention.
First, Rosie, sorry Hun, but the President is really busy, however there is an ongoing investigation into this matter.
Second, Alberto Gonzales was doing what he was told & he works for the President. This is not the first time a President wanted folks fired – Clinton had almost all fired, so why does it become a scandal when Bush does it?
Third, e-coli outbreak from the spinach… I believe Willie Nelson’s press statement when they found marijuana on his tour bus. “Had it been spinach they would have all been dead!”
Fourth, the people in South Korea & their food chain may be in a bad way now…
Fifth, Excerpt from the article – \”Hall said pet owners would fare better if they joined in a class action suit.\” – BS because only the Attorneys fare better!!!
Sixth, Excerpt from the article – \”\”We are angered that a source outside the company has adulterated our product,\’\’ Menu Foods Chief Executive Paul Henderson said Friday.\” – Would he be happy if it was someone inside the company that adulterated their product?
Seventh, Excerpt from the article – \”Henderson insisted his company\’s products are safe and undergo the \”highest levels\’\’ of testing.\” – BS – had that been the case the tainted pet food would have been detected prior to it\’s distribution.
Eighth, It\’s not about the Dems & Reps & the Libs & the politics, it\’s about life & how we can make it better for our children & the generations to come.
Ninth, get back to the real reasons that your life has meaning, enjoy your families while they are here, spend your days doing things that will enrich your life, not infuriate you!
Tenth, Have a happy Wednesday!
God Bless & Keep you all!
over rat poison 3 to 1 in a recent survey.
Thousands of people die everyday from cancer, heart attacks, horse riding accidents. There\’s a real national tragedy. Thank God Bush will be out of there in 600 plus days, and John Edwards will be on the scene to save the day. :-) As part of the inuaguration festivities, Christopher Reeve will rise from his grave and walk again. Hallelujah.
It\’s not that the level headed majority thinks neo-libs such as yourself should leave the country because you have a differing opinion, or even that they want you to leave. They are just saying lead by example. Many libs talk about how bad the U.S. is, and how great other countries are; the compassion of people like Achmidinezad, Chavez, etc. If the U.S. is such a horrible place and other parts of the world are really on to something, then lead by example and move there. Sell your many mansions, give away your millions, and live as they do.
Excellent post Bill. Very intelligent, articulate and exact. Wish more people could and would let themselves understand your post.
And thats why no one in this administration will testify under oath; they\’re ALL lying! Clinton lied, no one died. Bush….
And it amazes me how many of you neo-cons still believe the Bushies are right. you CAN fool some of the people all the time.
Lisa, what is an \”acceptable\” time table for YOU with respect to the length of time it should take to conduct an investigation such as this? Since you are an expert on these types of investigations; do you think one day is acceptable, one week, nine days, two weeks? Just curious to your expert opinion in this matter.
worry not, my fellow Frenchman, I am hot on the trail of the wrongdoer and I will apprehend the wrongdoer as soon as possible.
Well, I don\’t know your real identity, but I thank you for your efforts. It\’s good to know the trail hasn\’t gone cold. (ha ha)
Thanks for the comical posting… :)
If you\’re interested in homecooking, go to Balanceit.com. They have recipes created by board certified veterinary nutritionists. You can get a free recipe by entering the promo code \”homemade\” at the checkout.
oops, forgot; they\’re in place only to obstruct the \’neocons\’…
da… da da da
Durbin announces pet-food hearing
Last Updated 4/5/2007 4:25:44 PM
CHICAGO (CNS) – A U.S. Senate subcommittee will examine the recent recall of contaminated pet food and consider ways to make products safer for cats and dogs, U.S. Sen. Dick Durbin said today.
Durbin, a Springfield Democrat, said Menu Food Inc.\’s voluntary recall of 60 millions cans and pouches of wet pet food in mid-March came several days after the manufacturer first noticed potential problems with the products. He also faulted a decentralized federal system for inspecting processing plants.
\”This was a breakdown and a failure,\” Durbin, joined by several dogs and their owners, said during a news conference at a Chicago park. \”It has brought a lot of pain, a lot of heartache and a lot of worry to pet owners all across America. We can do a better job in Washington.\”
Durbin said at least 15 dogs and cats are believed to have been fatally poisoned by the Menu Foods products, which include dozens of brands, but the number of animal deaths could be considerably higher. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration determined that Chinese-imported wheat gluten used in the food was contaminated with a form of rat poison.
The Senate Agriculture Appropriations Subcommittee will hold a hearing on the poisonings within the next couple of weeks, said Durbin, the Senate\’s majority whip. He said witnesses will include FDA officials and outside experts.
kind of eerie…it only took 8 hours for my requested help to arrive in the form of Dick Durbin…could he be a fellow Insurance Journal Junkee? which poster could he be?
\”Clinton lied, nobody died…\”
C\’mon now. If you really want to live and play in that naive world, I could follow with : at least Bush is trying to save the world, while Clinton was ignoring Bin Laden because he was too busy dropping his pants in the oval office and then trying to take the focus off of his sick behavior by bombing aspirin factories.
Do I feel better? Not really. Does it serve any purpose? Not so much.
Carry on.
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