U.S. Grand Jury Subpoenas Allstate, Nationwide over Katrina Claims

By | May 21, 2007

  • May 21, 2007 at 1:05 am
    Bill Reed says:
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    This is a typical political response to a political failing. Imagine a \”Federal\” grand jury investigating this. The \”failures\” over the handling of Katrina begin with the do-nothing mayor of New Orleans, Ray Nagin. In close second is the clown princess governor, followed closely by FEMA. Nobody wants to indict the insurance agents of malfeasonce but maybe they should. People didnt\’t understand their exposures and coverages. Shouldn\’t a professional agent/broker have pointed them out? The insurance carriers have followed the same hurricane procedures that have been in place for years. This includes the perennial dispute over flood vs. windstorm. It\’s time the industry got creative and provided a homeowner product that addresses both.

  • May 21, 2007 at 1:13 am
    RAL says:
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    Bill Reed, please explain to me how the Mayor and Governor of LA had anything to do with the insurance industry\’s handling of Hurricane Katrina claims in Mississippi.

  • May 21, 2007 at 1:22 am
    adjusterjoe says:
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    Here Here, RAL. Do not attempt to confuse the apologists with the facts. There is, however, an article in the New Orleans Times Picayune about Allstate writing inflated estimates for flood damage. And yes I do understand that Mississippi and Louisiana are entirely different states.

  • May 21, 2007 at 1:44 am
    Mark says:
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    So does this mean that the CEOs of Nationwide and Allstate were criminally indicted? I think that is an argument you have made in the past.

  • May 21, 2007 at 2:08 am
    Dale says:
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    No Mark, that means they will settle so their execs don\’t go to jail, according to unemployedjoe. Remember, he has insider knowledge of everything that goes on with every company and all legal proceedings pertaining to these firms.

    Jewel will have a dandy time with this one, since unemployedjoe has been spouting off about SF on every board. Come on Jewel, do not disappoint, I am counting on ya! ;)

  • May 21, 2007 at 3:56 am
    RAL says:
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    Adjusterjoe….know exactly what you mean. The software I use to write estimates allows you to write wind and flood damages on same estimate. They must go in and change pricing to suit!

  • May 21, 2007 at 4:29 am
    B says:
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    I\’m sorry, I just had to toss my 2 cents in here. I had to laugh that Joe used reading comprehension as an example of why Jewel is so stupid and made 3 spelling errors in doing so.

    Thanks for the giggles Joe. :-)

  • May 21, 2007 at 4:36 am
    RAL says:
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    Adjusterjoe…I am doing both. Have for over 25 years. I prefer CAT adjusting, but lately have been writing est for other adjusters and not going out in the field much.

  • May 22, 2007 at 7:32 am
    William says:
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    This really isnt really a flood vs wind investigation. What it amounts to is an assertion that some insurance companies used the tremendous storm surge as a cover to not pay out on wind damage. My insurance company to the stand that they would pay for reasonable damages that could be proved or reasonably could have been expected based on the known wind field etc. They eventually paid out about 55 cents on the dollar to the claim amount ( total loss ). It took several months but they were very cooperative. For the record they are a major player not some 3rd tier company. Most of my neighbors werent so lucky. If they can prove that any of these companies took a blanket stand that anything in the surge zone was to be written off as flood, they are going to find the going tough.

  • May 22, 2007 at 7:41 am
    mbjorke says:
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    In my experience Allstate is even less interested in honoring it\’s obligations than your average insurer.

    It wouldn\’t shock me if something nasty turns up.

  • May 22, 2007 at 7:45 am
    Jewel says:
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    insurancecoverageblog.com is an interesting website… a lot of Katrina stories under the topic first party insurance.

    Hey B-

    fakeadjusterjoe\’s reading comprehension isn\’t so great either. he was asked for CONCRETE evidence about me and proceeded to babble on about someone else. His general comprehension of elementary ideas leaves a lot to be desired as well.

    What happened to all those posts?

    Anyway, have a great day today and I will see you around here somewhere!

  • May 22, 2007 at 7:49 am
    Jewel says:
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    There\’s also the fact that he can\’t comprehend I never said the insurance companies didn\’t do anything wrong. He put his own twist on my words and then calls me ignorant. If it\’s his twist, then it just goes to follow that he is the ignorant one. (Of course, we knew that anyway). Of course, then there is the fact he is posting under a bunch of different names to try and support his cause.

    Sad, so sad…

  • May 22, 2007 at 9:50 am
    les says:
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    The responses here seem to have become a personal platform for a few individuals . Let\’s drop the rhetoric and return to meaningful comments and information.

  • May 22, 2007 at 9:51 am
    Dale says:
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    I suspect mistakes were made by every company dealing with the scope of damages wrought by Katrina and Rita. If my company made them, they need to rectify that and make it right. But to paint a few companies with a broad brush of being evil and greedy is simply naive. And joe, although your post has been removed from this site, your need to be more considerate about insulting custodial workers. That is an honorable profession as any and you have no right to try to put yourself above those that perform those duties. Has no relevance on this board, and I am sorry, but that was uncalled for. Insult me all you want, but don\’t bring other professions down in doing so.

  • May 22, 2007 at 9:52 am
    Dale says:
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    Agreed, and I apologize for contributing to that.

  • May 22, 2007 at 11:04 am
    Roger Poe says:
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    State Farm and Allstate/Pilot Claim Service \”adjusters\” told untold thousands of hurricane Rita victims in South East Texas that blatant wind/debris damage* to asphalt shingle roofing systems was \’not really\’ damage to shingles, and/or \’damage our engineers recognize\’.

    (Audio documentation of an upper level State Farm \”adjuster\”/manager explaining their Rita \”position\” is available).

    * 6-7 hours of wind borne debris being thrown at 90-100MPH+ against the outer [granule/bitumen] component of shingles, (which abrasive action can grind down the outer layer all the way down to the inner fiberglass mat), is NOT wind damage State Farm and Allstate \”recognize\”.

    Too, wind broke/lifted tar sealant bonds on shingles. Debris then shimmed up the shingles, and debris also stuck to the tar sealant bonds, making it impossible for the shingles to reseal, and leaving the home and inhabitants vulnerable to further harm.

    Again, State Farm and Allstate claimed that that those types of fiberglass shingle roofing system breakage \’is not damaged that they recognized\’.

    (As a side note, many of their loss claim \”offers\” (forgot) to include a basic sub-trade contractor overhead and profit valued line item of 29%, and many other claim estimates (forgot) to include a basic 49% primary/general contractor overhead and profit loss value).

    In other words, according to the Texas Department of Insurance,** both Allstate and State Farm are collecting in real dollars Subcontractor and Primary-General Contractor overhead and profit loss values from the general public, but are keeping that money since most people don\’t realize it is part of the value of their loss they have pre-paid for every month in Replacement Cost policies/premiums.

    ..And their \”adjusters\” comply with such practices.

    It also makes one wonder how the accountants juggle those windfalls?

    ** See Texas Department of Insurance Bulletin B0045-98 which describes primary/general contractor ovehead and profit values as being (financially/necessarily) factored into replacement costs of structures, and is pre-paid for by the general public, and IS TO BE DISCLOSED to claimants as part of the ACTUAL value of a [structural] \”loss\” dollars wise.

    Not doing so can create ILLEGAL windfall/profit.

    Collecting money from consumers for anticipated potential full loss/replacement costs of a structure, which premium dollar costs include the need for a primary/general contractor to replace the structure, and then leaving out/NOT DISCLOSING BASIC 20-49+ contractor overhead and profit costs in \”financially adjusted indemnificaion loss values\”, ALREADY ANTICIPATED, CHARGED FOR, AND COLLECTED, is theft of premiums, no?

    Dismissing/misrepresenting blatant roofing system wind damage, that is physically and factually nothing less than that, (and, oddly, previously recognized by Allstate & State Farm in other storms in the coastal states), to untold thousands of hurricane Rita victims in South East Texas/elsewhere, is intentional unfair trade practice, deceptive trade practice, and theft of premiums too, no?

    rogerpoegc@gmail.com

  • May 22, 2007 at 2:37 am
    MERRILL KELLER says:
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    THE STATE AND CITY TRIED TO LAY EVERYTHING AT THE FEET OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. NOW THE FEDS ARE TRYING TO LAY IT ON SOMEONE ELSE. IF THE DO-DA\’S WOULD DO LIKE THE PEOPLE IN KANSAS, THEY WOULD BE MOSTLY DONE BY NOW.

  • May 22, 2007 at 5:39 am
    adjusterjoe says:
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    Roger: You win the award along with Melanie for posting the same thing the most times. Enough please.

  • June 1, 2007 at 1:25 am
    Roger Poe says:
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    Adjuster Joe:

    Shouldn\’t cooperative so-called loss claim \”adjusters\” be concerned with…

    \”Dismissing/misrepresenting blatant roofing system wind damage, that is physically and factually nothing less than that, (and, oddly, previously recognized by Allstate & State Farm in other storms in the coastal states), to untold thousands of hurricane Rita victims in South East Texas/elsewhere, is intentional unfair trade practice, deceptive trade practice, grand theft of premiums and public endangerment, no?\”

    What is \’enough\’ exposure of these issues \”Adjuster Joe\”?

    rogerpoegc@gmail.com



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