Imagine that. Men harnassed electricity, founded GE, built it up and guided it for decades, inventing and marketing its products, but somehow it became a male dominated culture. How’d that happen?
And the girls wonder why the boys won’t let the girls play.
What’s disturbing about this is the fact that a “high ranking”, albeit mal-content, within G.E. is behind the suit. While there is a “law” involved, the fact remains that men lead the way in business and industry for centuries and the ladies aren’t going to change that paradigm anytime soon. That’s not being sexist either, just reality.
If GE was built solely by men, it was the result of systematic exclusion of women (and minorities) simply because they were women (or minorities) and not because men are innately superior. And even if the individual men who founded GE were superior to every woman ever born, you’re still an idiot.
Dam Al calm down, leave them with some dignity. Women work just as hard as men. In fact many of them work harder than men just to keep up, because they may not be qualified for the position they are in.
I think a lot of women dont realise the way things got this way is because salaries are traditionally based on the fact that a man has to support enough for the whole household with the wife staying home to take care of the kids.
Yes, we used to have a free country. Then came the 19th Amendment and we are becoming more and more socialistic and told we can’t smoke, we can’t eat trans fats, we have to let everyone play blah blah blah.
If women don’t like it here, they should go back where they came from.
Right or wrong, does this merit $500M? I’m not up on this ‘class-action’ stuff, but if she just sued for, let’s say, $5 or even $10M, I think she’s get a better chance to win! Personally, if she can’t get by on $380K + benefits, I agree, it rhymes with ‘rich’.
Al- what the heck does ‘If women don’t like it here, they should go back where they came from.’ even mean?
I’ll bet you miss the 50’s when women were ‘barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen’ catering to your every whim. Well, times change and apparently your attitude needs to follow suit.
It was a joke, but there are some serious knuckle draggers posting today. Any guy out there who thinks there is no glass ceiling is not really paying attention. I think some of the women in the workplace issues are inflated by attorneys, but that’s not one of them.
I did’t say there was no glass ceiling, if by that you mean women not being able to claw their way to the top. I’m saying, So what? Start your own business (like men have done for thousands of years, and women have copied of late) and hire only women if it suits you.
Also, why was she getting demoted? Too much time off for personal reasons? Not being able to do the job? Is it possible she wasn’t up to the task? I say she really has a pair; to moan about making 380k a year plus bonuses. Her husband must wear the skirt in the family.
Actually Al, women are doing this. Statistics show many more women starting their own business. Hopefully they are hiring the best possible people for the job regardless of being male or female. I agree women can do it own their own, it’s just a shame they need to. It’s not bad everywhere-go find a place that you can work hard and it will pay off for you.
I wasn’t referring to you specifically Al, but anyone who denies the existence of a glass ceiling is a little slow. I am a man and not a liberal by any stretch of the imagination. This situation may or may not merit the action and I don’t know enough to comment on it specifically.
well, this cud be debated several ways and both sides win! problem w/today’s society there are still folks who believe that the woman needs to stay home – even some good psychologist (DR LAURA) who think they need to stay home and take care of the kids. personally, i think if the job can be done, it does not matter with gender. but the $500 million, to me that is probably too high. she needs to show and state when she was denied a higher position and the cost of the job to her current job. granted she is getting paid well now in her current position. i have worked with both male and female bosses – basically they can approach the matter in 2 different angles and still achieve the final product. but that can be the same for 2 of the same gender. does it really matter – NO. as long as the job gets done and done correctly. you could be an alien from another planet who came to planet earth and got a job. if he/she/it can produce the job the same, they should be paid the same. let’s hope that the moveup was truly merited based on work and ethics and not GENDER!
Raise your kids right and you won’t have to worry about juvenile delinquency whether mom is home or not.
That’s like saying, “murder rates increase during the summer months, so does the consumption of ice cream…ergo…the more ice cream people eat, the more likely they are to commit murder.”
thanks for being irrelevant. now why don’t you go change your suit and tie into something a little more sassy, sweetheart, and get me a glass of wine. :D
you and I are usually on the same page. While I agree that if you pay attention to your kids and are active in their lives and ask questions and try not to be their friend and be the parent, it will help out immensely. But numerous studies have shown that having a parent home when the kids go to school and get home from school, at least until age 16, shows better grades, better attendance at school and better adjusted kids.
Personally, before I married Mrs. Compman, I told her my rules. She would be a stay at home mom for the kids until they were 16. She could pursue PT work if she wanted but would have to be there to see the kids off and be there when they got home. I also gave her option #2. She could find a job that would pay more than mine and I would stay home with the rugrats. Guess what, I worked, she stayed home, my kids are turning out pretty good. (actually they get into less trouble than I did at that age). Both want to go to College and both still love me even when I say no and yell at them. The last time my oldest son (17) got mad at me for not letting him do something, he told me he hated me. I just laughed at him and said good, that means I am doing my job. He just turned around and went to his room to pout. Now, I could use a beer about now. Honey, are you near the fridge?
my parents – ma wanted to stay home but unfortunately due to my dad’s salary, had to go to work as well…sometimes it isn’t always a choice…life is funny that way. i grew up going to baby sitters…and i don’t begrudge my parents one bit….i graduated from college have a job that leaves me financially secure….i appreciate your statistics, but well…still believe a child will behave well if their parents raise him/her to behave well…whether thats with the help of a babysitter or not.
but i appreciate what your saying…and i wish there were more parents like you who value one parent working and one parent staying at home….it’s a team effort!
I agree that some kids can make it ok without a parent around. I do understand that economic restraints sometimes make it extremely difficult to make it on one salary. But, in the same breath, we have people living in 4000 sf houses, driving two late model cars, go out and eat at least twice a week and have to take the European vacation, have to stop are Starbucks everyday and then complain they both have to work in order to survive. I think that is crap!.
The other important factor in raising children today is no matter if you can have one parent at home or not, quit trying to be there friend. You are there parent. They won’t hate you forever even if they say so. Get over it and do your job.
The way I read it, the 500 mil is for a CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT for up to 1500 people. Granted that is still a lot of money, and I don’t know if I agree with the lawsuit. Just wanted to point out she would not get the full 500 mil herself.
true, she wud not get it all….but here’s the reality of it:
500 mil / 1500 = 333k each…but now take out the lawyer fees, and if she represents all of them – that means she should be getting even more. now, if remember correctly, was she not getting 380k @yr plus bonuses? of course, it said pending a demotion (wonder that paycut would have been. problem i have w/the class action lawsuit against GE, the 1500 are they all employed by GE? i don’t think GE’s lawyer staff is that big. so who is fooling whom? did anyone think about that?
“A class-action lawsuit would allow Schaefer to gather as many as 1,500 plaintiffs, including women who hold entry-level executive jobs and all the company’s female lawyers.”
They would all need to be employee’s there to get the status of a class action lawsuit. Looks like it is more than just lawyers, but any woman who might have been held back because of gender. Also, it says UP TO 1500. I am not defending her, or the amount. I am simply putting it into perspective as 500 mil is quite a bit of money. Seemed if we were going to bash her we should at least get the potential award amount right! :)
I agree…i hate when people complain about being poor driving around in an SUV while yapping on a cell phone going to their home that they bought on a reduced rate that will increase in 5 years to an amount they can’t afford unless they get a huge raise between now and then….but my folks weren’t like that….i was raised in the 80’s and 90’s, ma went to work so she could put food on the table and so we could take a nice vacation to des moines, iowa every once in a while…lol
but back to the topic….with the rate that the middle class is deteriorating…there aren’t many jobs out there that allow for a single income family. so whether you like it or not…women are a part of this work force. this really isn’t about how i think children should be raised or how you think children should be raised. it’s a fact of life. i hope that when i’m ready to have children, i will be in a financial situation to stay home and take care of them, but if not, i’ll work….it’s the nature of the beast. (would you rather i go on welfare and let your tax dollars support my baby? because believe me, plenty of married folks do that, too.)
so if i’m going to be here in the workforce, putting in the same time, energy, and knowledge as you boys….can i please get the same paycheck?
(by the way, in japan, married people with children automatically make more money because they have a family to support….not saying i necessarily agree with it…but it is what it is.)
Wages have not grown as much as inflation since the 70’s so therefore we make less now than we have in the past. That is why both parents must work.
The corprations control the politicians and this is really a conspiracy to weaken families.
Since the 70’s the effects on children of having both prents work have been devestating. I could talk about feminism here as well but I wont get in to that.
People now more than ever are less likely to vote and are less politically aware than ever – This is good for the corporations, because it allows them to keep the carear politicians that are bought and paid for in office year after year.
Well Dustin the way it works is that corporations have their own political global agenda, and often times their interests are not the same as your family.
Their number one interest is profit, and often times they are not concerned about wages, health care, the environment, and a host of other things that regular people care about.
Therefore, we could pass protective laws that might prevent corporations from abusing this power, or at least not give them a free pass on these abuses, but the politicians we elect are aloud to collect money and even take high paying jobs with these corporations.
We could look into this, get educated and vote them out, but most people are too dumbed down, and are like sheep, they just believe whatever the media tells them.
Virtually 100% of all the media (due to deregulation) is controlled by 4 corporations, one of which you mentioned being GE.
Kids on Ritalin, bad nutrition, and 100 other things all lead to a more controllable population that doesnt read books, delve into the issues, and wont vote.
And that’s what the powers that be have created in the US. And that’s why we all complain back and forth about liberals and conservatives, as if this dialog will ever really solve anything when both sides are beholden to special interests.
I would look forward to a one world government soon, and a crashing of the US economy.
People think they are fighting for freedom in Iraq, but the real fight to save this country and our way of life is already being lost at home.
why is it that I can name the employment of every female ancestor going back at least three generations? My mother was a teacher; her mother was a nurse; her grandmothers were a teacher and a nurse; her great-grandmothers were both teachers. My father’s mother owned a hair salon (among other things) and ran a small farm; his grandmothers were a seamstress and (I swear to God)a fortune teller. (Maybe fortune teller really isn’t “employment,” but she was earning money necessary to survive.)
Were they unique?
This doesn’t have anything to do with insurance, but I’m posting it anyway. ;-)
I think I will just bite my tongue and not say anymore…. except Jake, and surprisingly Nebraskan, you need to adjust your tinfoil hat a little, the reception from the mothership is kinda staticy and I don’t think the complete message is getting through to you.
Jake, i know seinfeld usually comes on after my family gets done singing hymns while my dad plays the guitar….ma has usually made rice crispy treats to enjoy while we all sit down as a family to watch the show. :)
Once again, you are all subtly correct; yet missing the point at the same time.
I find it interesting that she only filed the lawsuit after she was to be demoted. Did she not care about this flagrant disregard for equal rights when she was making over 300K?
Similar to how the winning team is usually the one that ignores the fat kid when picking players for kickball; sometimes it is for the greater good when everybody doesn’t participate.
Of course, this calls into question whether this exclusion is a valid reason for the fat kid to stomp his foot and throw a fit. I say it is an excellent motivator for the fat kid to put down that Whopper and take an extra lap.
That being said; whatever the cause may be for her demotion, in this era of litigation and unwarranted entitlement, most corporations are not about to give a demotion to a female or minority without some documented reason.
Beyond that; anyone who thinks that women, in general, are the same as men in the workplace is just delusional; or female.
Are there inept members of the workforce of both genders; absolutely.
Are there dedicated and intelligent members of both genders; of course.
BUT, countless women are promoted based on satisfying statistics; as are minorities. Is this simply because they were always the best person for the job? Hell no. Anyone who doesn’t realize this is also delusional, or a female/minority.
I won’t get into what I think of the women I work with. Suffice it to say; some of them are intelligent and useful but do come with their assorted female issues with rare exception.
That being said; women who blame men for the lack of female leaders in business and industry need to look at the facts.
Women would not even be in the workforce if not for WWII. With the workforce depleted because of our “boys” being overseas, someone had to take over in the factories. Ever since that time, the US has been steadily converting to a two income society.
The reason; women working allowed wages to be lowered. One person no longer had to be paid enough to support a family. The load could not be split between two people; thus driving down wages.
So women who blame men for keeping them down are actually the reason that wages have lost value in today’s economy.
Thanks for that; by the way.
Ironically, I hold a position that was previously held by a woman; one that literally refused to learn the systems and felt entitled to the job because she had more tenure. She gave no effort at all and then complained when she was demoted too.
If you want a stake in the game, fine, take over. I’d love to stay at home with my son and let my wife bring home the bacon. But don’t join the party and not bring an appetizer.
In other words, bring something to the table. Show that you are better if you want it that bad. Don’t just sit and whine about it. Otherwise, things would have been better if women weren’t in the workforce at all. I’d make just as much as my wife and I make together now and I wouldn’t have to pay for daycare.
Reason, for the most part i agree with you. but what did you want to happen during WWII? if women hadn’t stepped in and done the job, who would have? and furthermore, i’m pretty sure they would have liked equal pay back then to…if you ask me…men set the precedent when they could have avoided it to begin with by paying fairly from the beginning.
don’t go there…it does not matter what race, creed, ethnic or any other background (except terrorists)….all should be paid equally for the same job. it could be an alien from pluto! it does not matter. the job gets DONE! who knows, it might get done better and quicker!…
It’s the first word that came to mind when I thought of this “woman”. The “case” is most likely bogus and just another typical shakedown for money not earned but won via the lawsuit lottery. On a side note, if women want to be paid equal then they have to do the equal amount of work and SHOW UP at the office. Since a majority of women don’t then don’t expect equal pay.
See Mary, I wish there were more women like you and myself…we understand the value of hard work. I don’t mean to say that women should put up with abusive behavior in the quest to further their careers….but i agree that too many women rely on factors other than hard work and dedication to get ahead.
Get over it. Just get over it.
Imagine that. Men harnassed electricity, founded GE, built it up and guided it for decades, inventing and marketing its products, but somehow it became a male dominated culture. How’d that happen?
And the girls wonder why the boys won’t let the girls play.
Geeze. $380,000.00? PLUS bonuses?!!! And she’s complaining???!!!
That’s the law:
http://www.eeoc.gov/types/epa.html
What’s disturbing about this is the fact that a “high ranking”, albeit mal-content, within G.E. is behind the suit. While there is a “law” involved, the fact remains that men lead the way in business and industry for centuries and the ladies aren’t going to change that paradigm anytime soon. That’s not being sexist either, just reality.
What’s the law, you can’t demote female employees?
If GE was built solely by men, it was the result of systematic exclusion of women (and minorities) simply because they were women (or minorities) and not because men are innately superior. And even if the individual men who founded GE were superior to every woman ever born, you’re still an idiot.
To Little Lady: That right! You Go Girl!
If not for male sexism, these would not be the shortest books in the library:
Great Women Engineers
Contributions of Women Architects
Women Navigators who Changed the World
Great Women Sculptors
History’s Greatest Women Businessmen
The Women who Invented Flight
Female Inventors
Mathematical Disciplines Founded by Women
Revolutionary Medical Discoveries by Women
The Military Philosophies of the Top Women Generals
Greatest Female Jurists
Female Inventors
The Medical Breakthroughs of Women Doctors
Women Founders of Fortune 100 Companies
Greatest Women Theologians
The Women who Founded NASA
The Women who Harnassed Electricity
The Women who Split the Atom
Law Enforcement: A Woman’s World
Great Women Chefs
et cetera
Dam Al calm down, leave them with some dignity. Women work just as hard as men. In fact many of them work harder than men just to keep up, because they may not be qualified for the position they are in.
I think a lot of women dont realise the way things got this way is because salaries are traditionally based on the fact that a man has to support enough for the whole household with the wife staying home to take care of the kids.
Yes, we used to have a free country. Then came the 19th Amendment and we are becoming more and more socialistic and told we can’t smoke, we can’t eat trans fats, we have to let everyone play blah blah blah.
If women don’t like it here, they should go back where they came from.
Right or wrong, does this merit $500M? I’m not up on this ‘class-action’ stuff, but if she just sued for, let’s say, $5 or even $10M, I think she’s get a better chance to win! Personally, if she can’t get by on $380K + benefits, I agree, it rhymes with ‘rich’.
Al- what the heck does ‘If women don’t like it here, they should go back where they came from.’ even mean?
I’ll bet you miss the 50’s when women were ‘barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen’ catering to your every whim. Well, times change and apparently your attitude needs to follow suit.
It means… a joke.
I did prefer the fifties, when I was taken care of by a barefoot woman in the kitchen – my mom.
It was a joke, but there are some serious knuckle draggers posting today. Any guy out there who thinks there is no glass ceiling is not really paying attention. I think some of the women in the workplace issues are inflated by attorneys, but that’s not one of them.
I did’t say there was no glass ceiling, if by that you mean women not being able to claw their way to the top. I’m saying, So what? Start your own business (like men have done for thousands of years, and women have copied of late) and hire only women if it suits you.
“Mommy, tell the boys to let me play!!!”
Also, why was she getting demoted? Too much time off for personal reasons? Not being able to do the job? Is it possible she wasn’t up to the task? I say she really has a pair; to moan about making 380k a year plus bonuses. Her husband must wear the skirt in the family.
Actually Al, women are doing this. Statistics show many more women starting their own business. Hopefully they are hiring the best possible people for the job regardless of being male or female. I agree women can do it own their own, it’s just a shame they need to. It’s not bad everywhere-go find a place that you can work hard and it will pay off for you.
I wasn’t referring to you specifically Al, but anyone who denies the existence of a glass ceiling is a little slow. I am a man and not a liberal by any stretch of the imagination. This situation may or may not merit the action and I don’t know enough to comment on it specifically.
well, this cud be debated several ways and both sides win! problem w/today’s society there are still folks who believe that the woman needs to stay home – even some good psychologist (DR LAURA) who think they need to stay home and take care of the kids. personally, i think if the job can be done, it does not matter with gender. but the $500 million, to me that is probably too high. she needs to show and state when she was denied a higher position and the cost of the job to her current job. granted she is getting paid well now in her current position. i have worked with both male and female bosses – basically they can approach the matter in 2 different angles and still achieve the final product. but that can be the same for 2 of the same gender. does it really matter – NO. as long as the job gets done and done correctly. you could be an alien from another planet who came to planet earth and got a job. if he/she/it can produce the job the same, they should be paid the same. let’s hope that the moveup was truly merited based on work and ethics and not GENDER!
latchkey kids equal increased juvenile delinquency.
Raise your kids right and you won’t have to worry about juvenile delinquency whether mom is home or not.
That’s like saying, “murder rates increase during the summer months, so does the consumption of ice cream…ergo…the more ice cream people eat, the more likely they are to commit murder.”
thanks for being irrelevant. now why don’t you go change your suit and tie into something a little more sassy, sweetheart, and get me a glass of wine. :D
Nebraskan,
you and I are usually on the same page. While I agree that if you pay attention to your kids and are active in their lives and ask questions and try not to be their friend and be the parent, it will help out immensely. But numerous studies have shown that having a parent home when the kids go to school and get home from school, at least until age 16, shows better grades, better attendance at school and better adjusted kids.
Personally, before I married Mrs. Compman, I told her my rules. She would be a stay at home mom for the kids until they were 16. She could pursue PT work if she wanted but would have to be there to see the kids off and be there when they got home. I also gave her option #2. She could find a job that would pay more than mine and I would stay home with the rugrats. Guess what, I worked, she stayed home, my kids are turning out pretty good. (actually they get into less trouble than I did at that age). Both want to go to College and both still love me even when I say no and yell at them. The last time my oldest son (17) got mad at me for not letting him do something, he told me he hated me. I just laughed at him and said good, that means I am doing my job. He just turned around and went to his room to pout. Now, I could use a beer about now. Honey, are you near the fridge?
Thanks for taking my joke with a grain of salt…
my parents – ma wanted to stay home but unfortunately due to my dad’s salary, had to go to work as well…sometimes it isn’t always a choice…life is funny that way. i grew up going to baby sitters…and i don’t begrudge my parents one bit….i graduated from college have a job that leaves me financially secure….i appreciate your statistics, but well…still believe a child will behave well if their parents raise him/her to behave well…whether thats with the help of a babysitter or not.
but i appreciate what your saying…and i wish there were more parents like you who value one parent working and one parent staying at home….it’s a team effort!
Nebraskan,
I agree that some kids can make it ok without a parent around. I do understand that economic restraints sometimes make it extremely difficult to make it on one salary. But, in the same breath, we have people living in 4000 sf houses, driving two late model cars, go out and eat at least twice a week and have to take the European vacation, have to stop are Starbucks everyday and then complain they both have to work in order to survive. I think that is crap!.
The other important factor in raising children today is no matter if you can have one parent at home or not, quit trying to be there friend. You are there parent. They won’t hate you forever even if they say so. Get over it and do your job.
The way I read it, the 500 mil is for a CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT for up to 1500 people. Granted that is still a lot of money, and I don’t know if I agree with the lawsuit. Just wanted to point out she would not get the full 500 mil herself.
true, she wud not get it all….but here’s the reality of it:
500 mil / 1500 = 333k each…but now take out the lawyer fees, and if she represents all of them – that means she should be getting even more. now, if remember correctly, was she not getting 380k @yr plus bonuses? of course, it said pending a demotion (wonder that paycut would have been. problem i have w/the class action lawsuit against GE, the 1500 are they all employed by GE? i don’t think GE’s lawyer staff is that big. so who is fooling whom? did anyone think about that?
“A class-action lawsuit would allow Schaefer to gather as many as 1,500 plaintiffs, including women who hold entry-level executive jobs and all the company’s female lawyers.”
They would all need to be employee’s there to get the status of a class action lawsuit. Looks like it is more than just lawyers, but any woman who might have been held back because of gender. Also, it says UP TO 1500. I am not defending her, or the amount. I am simply putting it into perspective as 500 mil is quite a bit of money. Seemed if we were going to bash her we should at least get the potential award amount right! :)
I agree…i hate when people complain about being poor driving around in an SUV while yapping on a cell phone going to their home that they bought on a reduced rate that will increase in 5 years to an amount they can’t afford unless they get a huge raise between now and then….but my folks weren’t like that….i was raised in the 80’s and 90’s, ma went to work so she could put food on the table and so we could take a nice vacation to des moines, iowa every once in a while…lol
but back to the topic….with the rate that the middle class is deteriorating…there aren’t many jobs out there that allow for a single income family. so whether you like it or not…women are a part of this work force. this really isn’t about how i think children should be raised or how you think children should be raised. it’s a fact of life. i hope that when i’m ready to have children, i will be in a financial situation to stay home and take care of them, but if not, i’ll work….it’s the nature of the beast. (would you rather i go on welfare and let your tax dollars support my baby? because believe me, plenty of married folks do that, too.)
so if i’m going to be here in the workforce, putting in the same time, energy, and knowledge as you boys….can i please get the same paycheck?
(by the way, in japan, married people with children automatically make more money because they have a family to support….not saying i necessarily agree with it…but it is what it is.)
Wages have not grown as much as inflation since the 70’s so therefore we make less now than we have in the past. That is why both parents must work.
The corprations control the politicians and this is really a conspiracy to weaken families.
Since the 70’s the effects on children of having both prents work have been devestating. I could talk about feminism here as well but I wont get in to that.
People now more than ever are less likely to vote and are less politically aware than ever – This is good for the corporations, because it allows them to keep the carear politicians that are bought and paid for in office year after year.
“The corprations control the politicians and this is really a conspiracy to weaken families.”
What does this even mean? You think GE and others want to weaken the family. Why? And to what end? I am a bit curious.
Well Dustin the way it works is that corporations have their own political global agenda, and often times their interests are not the same as your family.
Their number one interest is profit, and often times they are not concerned about wages, health care, the environment, and a host of other things that regular people care about.
Therefore, we could pass protective laws that might prevent corporations from abusing this power, or at least not give them a free pass on these abuses, but the politicians we elect are aloud to collect money and even take high paying jobs with these corporations.
We could look into this, get educated and vote them out, but most people are too dumbed down, and are like sheep, they just believe whatever the media tells them.
Virtually 100% of all the media (due to deregulation) is controlled by 4 corporations, one of which you mentioned being GE.
Kids on Ritalin, bad nutrition, and 100 other things all lead to a more controllable population that doesnt read books, delve into the issues, and wont vote.
And that’s what the powers that be have created in the US. And that’s why we all complain back and forth about liberals and conservatives, as if this dialog will ever really solve anything when both sides are beholden to special interests.
I would look forward to a one world government soon, and a crashing of the US economy.
People think they are fighting for freedom in Iraq, but the real fight to save this country and our way of life is already being lost at home.
Amen, Jake.
where’s the profit in not promoting a female? NONE! equal work is equal pay no matter the gender!
if this lawsuit goes through, there will be a loss of $500 mil… no profit then!
why is it that I can name the employment of every female ancestor going back at least three generations? My mother was a teacher; her mother was a nurse; her grandmothers were a teacher and a nurse; her great-grandmothers were both teachers. My father’s mother owned a hair salon (among other things) and ran a small farm; his grandmothers were a seamstress and (I swear to God)a fortune teller. (Maybe fortune teller really isn’t “employment,” but she was earning money necessary to survive.)
Were they unique?
This doesn’t have anything to do with insurance, but I’m posting it anyway. ;-)
I think I will just bite my tongue and not say anymore…. except Jake, and surprisingly Nebraskan, you need to adjust your tinfoil hat a little, the reception from the mothership is kinda staticy and I don’t think the complete message is getting through to you.
I hear you Compman, I know that stuff can be hard to believe, but dont worry, everything is great in America!
When are those Seinfeld re-runs on again?
Jake, i know seinfeld usually comes on after my family gets done singing hymns while my dad plays the guitar….ma has usually made rice crispy treats to enjoy while we all sit down as a family to watch the show. :)
Once again, you are all subtly correct; yet missing the point at the same time.
I find it interesting that she only filed the lawsuit after she was to be demoted. Did she not care about this flagrant disregard for equal rights when she was making over 300K?
Similar to how the winning team is usually the one that ignores the fat kid when picking players for kickball; sometimes it is for the greater good when everybody doesn’t participate.
Of course, this calls into question whether this exclusion is a valid reason for the fat kid to stomp his foot and throw a fit. I say it is an excellent motivator for the fat kid to put down that Whopper and take an extra lap.
That being said; whatever the cause may be for her demotion, in this era of litigation and unwarranted entitlement, most corporations are not about to give a demotion to a female or minority without some documented reason.
Beyond that; anyone who thinks that women, in general, are the same as men in the workplace is just delusional; or female.
Are there inept members of the workforce of both genders; absolutely.
Are there dedicated and intelligent members of both genders; of course.
BUT, countless women are promoted based on satisfying statistics; as are minorities. Is this simply because they were always the best person for the job? Hell no. Anyone who doesn’t realize this is also delusional, or a female/minority.
I won’t get into what I think of the women I work with. Suffice it to say; some of them are intelligent and useful but do come with their assorted female issues with rare exception.
That being said; women who blame men for the lack of female leaders in business and industry need to look at the facts.
Women would not even be in the workforce if not for WWII. With the workforce depleted because of our “boys” being overseas, someone had to take over in the factories. Ever since that time, the US has been steadily converting to a two income society.
The reason; women working allowed wages to be lowered. One person no longer had to be paid enough to support a family. The load could not be split between two people; thus driving down wages.
So women who blame men for keeping them down are actually the reason that wages have lost value in today’s economy.
Thanks for that; by the way.
Ironically, I hold a position that was previously held by a woman; one that literally refused to learn the systems and felt entitled to the job because she had more tenure. She gave no effort at all and then complained when she was demoted too.
If you want a stake in the game, fine, take over. I’d love to stay at home with my son and let my wife bring home the bacon. But don’t join the party and not bring an appetizer.
In other words, bring something to the table. Show that you are better if you want it that bad. Don’t just sit and whine about it. Otherwise, things would have been better if women weren’t in the workforce at all. I’d make just as much as my wife and I make together now and I wouldn’t have to pay for daycare.
Reason, for the most part i agree with you. but what did you want to happen during WWII? if women hadn’t stepped in and done the job, who would have? and furthermore, i’m pretty sure they would have liked equal pay back then to…if you ask me…men set the precedent when they could have avoided it to begin with by paying fairly from the beginning.
This is deplorable, next blacks are going to want eqaul pay too. This is aweful.
don’t go there…it does not matter what race, creed, ethnic or any other background (except terrorists)….all should be paid equally for the same job. it could be an alien from pluto! it does not matter. the job gets DONE! who knows, it might get done better and quicker!…
It’s the first word that came to mind when I thought of this “woman”. The “case” is most likely bogus and just another typical shakedown for money not earned but won via the lawsuit lottery. On a side note, if women want to be paid equal then they have to do the equal amount of work and SHOW UP at the office. Since a majority of women don’t then don’t expect equal pay.
See Mary, I wish there were more women like you and myself…we understand the value of hard work. I don’t mean to say that women should put up with abusive behavior in the quest to further their careers….but i agree that too many women rely on factors other than hard work and dedication to get ahead.