Research Model Helps Gauge Storms’ Intensity with Climate Change

July 9, 2008

  • July 9, 2008 at 12:48 pm
    Dread says:
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    Will this prevent storms? No. Mitigate their severity and frequency? No. Improve early warnings? No. Waste more taxpayer money while a few geeks get off learning about the phenomenon? Absolutely.

  • July 9, 2008 at 1:02 am
    Rocket Scientist says:
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    This will also serve to drive more property insurers out of the market and ratchet up premiums in an already shrinking marketplace.

  • July 9, 2008 at 1:41 am
    Chilly says:
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    The earth’s mean temperature has fallen .8 degrees Centigrade since 2006.

    The arctic ide cap is exactly the same size today as it was July 1988.

    Global warming is a hoax. We have nothing to do with the climate and can do nothing about the climate. Underwriters: bet against the GW hoax and you’ll look good!

  • July 9, 2008 at 1:49 am
    Al Gorey says:
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    I am writing a book called, Earth in the Balance-with Corrections or I may call it The Coming Ice Age.
    Did you know that fossil fuels are blocking our sun’s rays and soon the plants will die because the Mississippi and Amazon rivers will be froze over. Large wooly beasts like super sized elephants will reappear and eat the poor and lower middle class. This is caused by to many Republican presidents in a row.

  • July 9, 2008 at 1:52 am
    Unenthused says:
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    And you think the democrat waiting in the wings will do any better? He’s a politically inexperienced, pandering flip flopper.

  • July 9, 2008 at 2:36 am
    Give 'em a break! says:
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    Hey, they have to afford their groceries too, don’t they. They just found a better way to do than insurance.

  • July 9, 2008 at 2:41 am
    The Professor says:
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    We all are going to die because of global warming soon. Before we go I have a question. There is a water line that is where the Atlantic Ocean comes up to the coast. This water line runs along the entire east coast of the U.S.A. In 61 years the water line has neither gone higher or lower. Therefore since we are killing off the ice caps and glaciers where the hell is all of the water from the melted ice going? Maybe the evil Republicans are selling it to their Arab friends!

  • July 9, 2008 at 2:55 am
    Chilly says:
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    1. If the arctic ice cap totally melted it would not raise ocean levels at all. Like the ice cubes melting in your iced tea, the arctic ice is already displacing its weight.

    2. When you see film of glaciers falling apart (known as “calving”) it is evidence of a growing glacier, not a melting one. When the glacier grows it moves beyond its supporting land and the edges fall off. If it were melting it would not be calving, but shrinking.

    So, what ended the last Ice Age? GLOBAL WARMING.

  • July 9, 2008 at 3:32 am
    Doug says:
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    1. If the arctic ice cap totally melted it would not raise ocean levels at all. Like the ice cubes melting in your iced tea, the arctic ice is already displacing its weight.
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    Absolutely 100% not true. Its more comparable to ice cubes piled up in a glass of water. Or ice frozen around the rim of the glass.

    Basically some of the glaciers are on land, so when they melt they will go into the water and raise the water level.

    Its pretty simple really.

  • July 9, 2008 at 3:43 am
    Chilly says:
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    A ton of water makes a ton of ice. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

    As for the glaciers, since they are on land, if they melted into the ocean they would increase the volume of the ocean. However, the northern ice cap is the same size as 20 years ago. Mt. Shasta’s ice is growing. Etc.

    Vote Hussein!

  • July 9, 2008 at 3:49 am
    Doug says:
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    As for the glaciers, since they are on land, if they melted into the ocean they would increase the volume of the ocean.
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    Yes, now youve got it, see I told you it was simple.

  • July 9, 2008 at 3:51 am
    Chilly says:
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    1. Admit you were wrong about the northern ice cap.

    2. No glacier is melting due to anthropocentric global warming so it isn’t anything to worry about.

    Hussein/Castro 08!

  • July 9, 2008 at 3:55 am
    Obama will hope to change this says:
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    Barry Hussein Obama will figure out who drank all that ocean water. Blame Bush for global warming and the war too. Bush sends the ocean water to the Arabs for their swimming pools.

  • July 9, 2008 at 3:55 am
    Doug says:
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    Hussein/Castro 08!
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    I have no clue waht that means? Sorry. Little help?

  • July 9, 2008 at 4:48 am
    Fidel says:
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    Are they inferring that is Obama and his running mate. Even though it rhymes with infidel how silly. Maybe Achmed Instead!

  • July 9, 2008 at 5:08 am
    LOL says:
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    ya uh you guys ever make ice cubes in your freezers at home? You put some water into a tray, usually up to the limit line. Then it freezes and becomes ice cubes. But wait, what’s this? The ice cubes have expanded up and over the limit lines? They’re protruding from the tray! Aaaah stop protruding!

    So does this mean that when the ice caps melt, the resultant water will displace LESS area than the frozen ice?

  • July 9, 2008 at 5:41 am
    Theres Plenty of Research says:
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    The ice cap floats on top of the ocean so it does not displace water like ice cubes in a glass.

    As for no reduction in its size….

    Arctic ice-cap loss twice the size of France: research
    Jan 23, 2008

    PARIS (AFP) — The Arctic ice cap has shrunk by an area twice the size of France’s land mass over the last two years, the Paris-based National Centre for Scientific Research (CNRS) said Wednesday.

    “The year 2008 promises to be a critical year on every level,” said Jean-Claude Gascard, the body’s research director and coordinator of European scientific mission Damocles, which is monitoring the effects of climate change across the Arctic.

    September 2007 measurements show ice covering 4.13 million square kilometres (1.6 million square miles), down from 5.3 million square kilometres in 2005.

    “Melting could result in the loss of another million in one (2008) summer,” he added at a press conference.

    “Summer 2007 was marked by a major retreat in the ice-cap, one we were not anticipating,” Gascard said. “The rate of decline is also two or three times faster than (observed) beforehand.”

    International models used to predict retreating ice have some “catching-up” to do, he said.

    Over the last 20 years, 40 percent of the ice-cap has melted with the average thickness halved from three to 1.5 metres.

    Year-round ice coverage has reduced, with summer melting also lasting longer, the centre reported.

  • July 10, 2008 at 7:36 am
    Chilly says:
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    “I have no clue waht that means? Sorry. Little help?”

    Hussein oughta choose F. Castro as his VP so he could advise him on all the best methods to employ to destroy the US should he be elected.

  • July 10, 2008 at 7:39 am
    Chilly says:
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    “So does this mean that when the ice caps melt, the resultant water will displace LESS area than the frozen ice?”

    Displacement is related to weight. Here’s a scientific experiment for you to perform when you get home. Be sure to wear proper protective equipment.

    Put some ice cubes in a glass. Fill the glass with water. Notice that when the ice melts the glass did not overflow.

    Sheesh.

  • July 10, 2008 at 7:43 am
    Huge Member says:
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    But who is Hussein? Im not familiar with this? There is no one by that name running for president.

    Also, hasnt McKain gone on record as admitting to global warming.

    You seem confused.

  • July 10, 2008 at 8:07 am
    Chilly says:
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    “The accuracy of satellite derived ice concentration is usually 5% or better, although errors of 10 to 20% can occur during the melt season.”

    IPCC AR4, WG1, Ch.4.4.2
    http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3229

    http://icecap.us/

    What IU wanna know is, what ended the last Ice Age? The arctic ice cap was much larger then. I think it came down to where I’m now sitting.

  • July 10, 2008 at 8:17 am
    Art says:
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    Chilly there is certainly global warming going on now – Its not man made – Its part of a natural occurring cycle – Dont you agree?

  • July 10, 2008 at 8:37 am
    Chilly says:
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    Certainly, that’s why I keep asking what ended the last Ice Age? It’s not news if the ice cap is shrinking: it used to be in Ohio! The Thames used to freeze, grapes, wheat and livestock used to be raised by Viking settlements on Greenland, and so on.

    The only constant with worldwide climate is change.

  • July 10, 2008 at 10:11 am
    Little help says:
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    Barrack Obama’s middle name is Hussein… Look it up, it’s true.

  • July 10, 2008 at 10:23 am
    Larry says:
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    Wow! Really? Wait, didn’t we depose an evil dictator that had Hussein as his LAST NAME??? That must mean Barack is evil too!! What an original thought! I wonder if Ann Coulter ever thought of something as origiinal as that? Honestly, there are more parrots on this board than in the Amazon rainforest.

    By the way, “Hussein” is one of the more common names in the Middle East. Some people, even those that are NOT terrorists, even have it as their name (ie King Hussein of Jordan, supposedly one of our allies).

    If you honestly feel the need to resort to mocking someone’s name to attack them, you need to grow up and get a life. This isn’t kindergarten, it’s an insurance forum. Go after the man for his issues, not his name. Need I remind you that the word “Bush” can have a different meaning than in the horticultural sense?

  • July 10, 2008 at 10:31 am
    Chilly says:
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    “Some people, even those that are NOT terrorists, even have it as their name…”

    Wow, pretty sensitive about that Hussein thing, eh? It must really bother you that he has a Muslim name. I couldn’t care less about his name, it’s his collectivist castroite politics that bothers me.

  • July 10, 2008 at 10:32 am
    Little help says:
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    Liberals are so testy! Larry, take a pill. I was answering Huge Member’s question.

  • July 10, 2008 at 10:35 am
    Huge Member says:
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    Right thats his middle name, who doesnt know that? – But when you talk about a presidential ticket dont you use the persons last name? Thats what I didnt understand. Plus Castro is really old and not even a US citizen. So wheres the connection there? Is Castro a supporter of Global Warming?

    Your post is really very scatter brained.

    Would you call Bill Clinton “Jefferson.” Or Bush “Herbert Walker”?

    There is just no logic to it.

    To judge a man in this way is nothing but fear and racism, and that can lead to hatred.

    Its all very sad for you Republicans. The better you really feel about yourself the less likely you will feel threatened by another person just because they have a different sounding name.

  • July 10, 2008 at 10:39 am
    Larry says:
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    Amazing that I’m automatically labeled as a liberal when in actuality I’m a registered republican (just recently renewed my drivers license and officially changed my party affiliation). Ever have an original thought on your own, Little Help?

    My point was that if you want to attack the man, go after his warped policies. Name calling does nothing productive.

    This has become a sounding board for politics instead of an insurance discussion forum. Libs, if you want to attack conservatives, do it on your moveon.org. Conservatives, if you want to bash libs, save it for Hannity, Coulter, Limbaugh, etc. Why don’t we focus on the issue at hand, which in this case is INSURANCE???

  • July 10, 2008 at 10:51 am
    LOL says:
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    “Put some ice cubes in a glass. Fill the glass with water. Notice that when the ice melts the glass did not overflow.”

    uh Chilly that’s what i just told you. Ice displaces more area than the water from which it’s composed. Hydrogen bonds expand when they freeze. So when the ice cubes melt, of course the water won’t overflow. It will be lower than when the ice was frozen.

    It’s a bit incongruent to me that you so completely understand politics, climate change, arguing baselessly, etc SO WELL, but you don’t know how to process simple sentences properly. Slow down and consider that your opinion, which is comprised of YOUR subjective interpretations, can’t be construed as fact. Rather, it won’t be accepted as fact b/c you display it all so emotionally, so irrationally, so defensively! If you were a climatologist or a chemist or a politician, your peers would look to you for this guidance you spew. Now get back to processing certificates.

  • July 10, 2008 at 11:17 am
    CR says:
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    Uh –

    If you fill a punchbowl with punch and add a huge ice sculpture that stands way above the bowl. The ice level will be higher than the bowl, and by virtue of its solid mass, still contained in the bowl. When the ice is no longer solid and becomes liquid, the bowl will no longer contain all of the liquid.

    I don’t have an opinion on where that water will go, or if it will have an impact, but please don’t kid yourself that the ice floating above the water or on land when melted will be contained in the same space. This type of experiment we do with kindergarteners and first graders. It is saddening to see a professional forum so ignorant!

  • July 10, 2008 at 11:35 am
    LOL says:
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    !!! you got me ! i knew i shoulda called you a kindergartner first!

    No question – frozen water displaces more area than than liquid water.

    And when you say ignorant, you’re referring to the people who name-call, am i right? kindergartner, Hussein, Castro, Restumblicans…you did or didn’t say those things?

  • July 10, 2008 at 12:35 pm
    2ndamendment momma says:
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    I love reading all your opinions. Please dont argue, I was just thinking about how much I enjoy “hanging” with you guys. Dont ruin it. Chilly, dread, you guys are great
    ignore the ignorant.

  • July 10, 2008 at 12:45 pm
    CR says:
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    Actually, I wasn’t calling you kindergarteners, I was just saying that we show kindergarteners these experiments. I was being literal, not inflamitory. (unlike the use of some of the names I was reading. If you try to rationalize any of those as other than inflamitory, I really hope you don’t believe your own BS)

    I guess I was calling some of the prior statements ignorant (not really the people though). I don’t have a better way to describe some of the positions I was reading.

  • July 10, 2008 at 1:01 am
    LOL says:
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    i thought you started the fire w/ vote Hussein ’08 or whatever it was, but “unenthused” actually lit up the angry political back-n-forth.

    wait did somebody just call me a liberal?? I was just trying to point out why ice floats!

    and uh i think the 2ndamendment momma also needs to re-evaluate her catchphrase about the ignorant. LOL maybe say it out loud a couple times.

  • July 10, 2008 at 2:17 am
    Advisor to the Presidents says:
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    Look the dude’s name is actually “Barry Hussein Obama” He has got some real issues with his Muslim middle name so please don’t use it. He also has got some issues with his real first name which is Barry. Therefore he wants you to call him Barrack. This is a great name because it eludes to his Muslim supporters but the rest of you infidels don’t understand it. Please do not call him Barry or Hussein anymore. Barrack is alright and so is Obamma.

  • July 10, 2008 at 2:28 am
    Rick says:
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    what if he is muslim, is that a problem?

  • July 10, 2008 at 2:43 am
    Ralph says:
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    Gene Simmon’s real name is Chaim Witz, but nobody calls him that. They call him Gene Simmons. If Obama wants to be called Barack Obama (not Barry, not B. Hussein, not anything else), isn’t that his right?

    Wankers.

  • July 10, 2008 at 2:48 am
    A Smart Democrat is a Threat says:
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    Look if he is a Muslim and you don’t vote for him because he is a Muslim you are just as stupid as people who would not vote for a German or Austrian or Nazi during WWII. Get a life NeoCons!

  • July 10, 2008 at 3:11 am
    Just to enflame says:
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    OK Smart,

    Would you refuse to vote for someone that was a Christian?

    My guess would be “yes,” because they see the world differently than you.

    Do you believe in freedom of choice for all or just mothers with unwanted babies?

    Do you believe anyone has the right to own property and use it as they see fit (provided it’s not a hazard, nor causes harm)?

    Do you believe that all people have the right to keep what they work for and to work for a better life?

    Do you think that giving something of value without requiring something of value (work and effort) produces a lazy and dependent populace?

    What is it called when someone takes my stuff for their own purposes? Worse, what’s it called when the government approves of it?

    What was the government designed and created to do? How far from that has it departed?

    Do I have the right to protect myself and my family?

    Does freedom of speech apply to everyone, or just those that don’t offend a particular group?

    Should all be given freedom to express their religious beliefs anywhere? Please find the “separation of church and state” in the Constitution or Bill of Rights for me.

    I think you have the right to say what you believe, do you believe that of me?

  • July 10, 2008 at 3:31 am
    Nobody Important says:
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    I think most of the posters in this line failed the basic intelligence test. That would be, have a point that has something to do with the article. Or just actually have a point of any kind except the one on your head. I won’t vote for Obama under any circumstances and yet the name insults posted here seems pretty lame. I won’t vote for him because of his views and politics. It seems like that would be a reason to vote for or against a candidate. All of this other stuff is just childish garbage. Some of you need to be toilet trained.

  • July 10, 2008 at 3:59 am
    Democrats are fun to watch! says:
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    Reverend Jesse Jackson has made some sort of comment about cutting something off The Messiah as Rush Limbaugh calls him. What did the Reverend really say?

  • July 10, 2008 at 5:07 am
    The Professor says:
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    Any of you people out there in cyber land know if our climate can vary from year to year, decade to decade, century to century? Or was the climate always the same since the earth started until man invented automobiles? Last year the earth cooled off by .6 degree F. So in 5 years it will be colder than it was in the last several hundred if this continues? Are we all going to freeze to death?

  • July 11, 2008 at 8:43 am
    Texas 2007 coldest in 200 yrs says:
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    2007 climatic data shows the state of Texas was the coldest it has ever been in 200 years. What is really interesting is that 1980 was the hottest summer Texas ever had. 1983 was the worst winter in 95 years.

  • July 11, 2008 at 8:46 am
    Ralph says:
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    Its called global warming – Not Texas warming – Get a clue!

  • July 11, 2008 at 9:22 am
    Toasty says:
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    Substantiate your position if I’m misinformed: The whole global warming thing is a hoax.

  • July 11, 2008 at 9:41 am
    Tiki says:
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    On average the surface of the earth as a whole has increased over the past 50 years. What exactly are you disputing? I never said it was man made.

  • July 11, 2008 at 9:47 am
    Texas 2007 coldest in 200 yrs says:
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    Look unless you are a Texan you won’t understand that for Texans we know we live in the center of the universe and the world revolves around us. If Texas had the coldest year in 200 years than that shoots the crap out of your stupid global warming argument. Check it out Buckey, 48 of the 50 U.S. states were hotter than normal in 2007. Most of Europe and the Eastern Hemisphere were cooler. .6 degree drop overall in 2006 and another drop in 2007. Depends on rather you get your news from the Commi News Network or the weather service. HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!

  • July 11, 2008 at 11:03 am
    Earth's Climate says:
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    Global warming does NOT mean that temperatures will just get hotter. Increasing global temperatures will shift climate patterns toward the extremes, giving us both hotter and colder weather than ever, with BOTH record lows and record highs. The same goes for weather patterns, increasing the likelihood of seeing the extremes of droughts AND tropical storms.

  • July 11, 2008 at 2:37 am
    Dear Earth's Climate says:
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    So which is it? Global cooling causing global warming or global warming causing global cooling? I need to know before I am a guest on the Ask the Messiah show. I don’t want Obama to be confused.

  • July 14, 2008 at 9:16 am
    Mike says:
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    Its global warming causing global cooling. Warming in one area, causes melting. Then when the ice melts it causes cooling in another area.

    Europe will likely see cooling.

    Its somewhat complicated but you should do some research and get acquainted with this important issue.



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