Health care reform cannot be settled in a few months time, nor should the “government” which includes our congress representatives and senators have it left in their laps to “fix”. There should be a task force made up of medical professionals, financial wizards, professionals from the medical care insurance programs, representation for the “People”, Medicare representation, military representation which would be TMA, and the Health Care committee from the Senate and congress. Models from other countries should be looked at to see what works and does not work.
Yes, it time “we” open our eyes and minds and start working on a resolution to this gigantic problem. We also need to work on the “government” spending because essentually, it is you and I that are paying for the unecessary garbage/crap the White House says it needs.
Agree or disagree? If you like this idea, write, e-mail or call your state represntatives.
The democratic leadership just set a new record for “World’s fastest backpedaling”
When will people realize we need more political parties? We only have two horses, and they’re pulling the same darn cart.
We were rightfully pissed when Bush & the conservatives wouldn’t stop beating the war drum, bailed out Wall Street and did things like pass unfunded medicare part D. They were a disgrace to the word “conservative.”
So we “voted the bums out”.
Now, when the new hope/change administration and congress does some of the THE EXACT SAME THINGS, we all scream about “voting the bums out”.
So that we will. We’ll vote out those Dems in 2010 and 2012. Then the GOP will do THE EXACT SAME THING. Then we’ll vote em out and vote in the Dems. Then the Dems will do THE EXACT SAME THING. Seeing a pattern here?
These worthless scum bags on both sides of the aisle have got to go. Never vote for another republican or democrat again.
Too bad that will never happen, since with the new SCOTUS ruling we will have “2012, Brought to you by Carl’s Jr”
No one has EVER done what this President and this Congress are doing…blatantly and intentionally ignoring the will of the American people, with an attitude that “they know what’s best”.
Very few, if any, were marching in the streets of America, protesting Bush or any other President in recent history for that matter. (with the exception of isolated extreme views re iraq war/Cindy Sheehan, etc.) The uprising during this Obama administration is UNPRECEDENTED..and it’s 100% as a result of Obama and the democrat controlled congressional actions and attitudes. It’s not politics as usual. Don’t flatter yourself, that Obama is just going about business like every other president did.
Americans were asleep at the wheel in the prosperous years, but Obama, Pelosi and Reid have awakened a sleeping giant. For that, I thank them.
The GOP found a good looking no-name, gave him a pickup truck and a flag pin, and fed him some one-liners about Al Qaeda wanting to kill us.
And you say it “isn’t politics as usual”?
Baloney.
The political leadership is playing a game of “angry voter hot potato.” They’ve gotten very good at it. Right now the democrats are holding the potato. After the next election cycle, they’ll throw it back to the republicans, and then we’ll be right back where we started.
Look at the mastery! The VAST majority of the populace strongly disagrees with the method of politics in Washington. The VAST majority strongly disagrees with the spending. The VAST majority think we are headed on the wrong track. Yet we continue to elect the very same people that we all despise.
How is this not mastery in gaming our political system? How is this not “politics as usual”?
Instead of beating this to death and going back and forth to accomplish nothing, why don’t we stgart being americans again and go about this the smart way.
I had a small conversation with my mother, who is a nurse, and she came up with a logical approach to how the government should have gone about this whole reform process:
Health care reform cannot be settled in a few months time, nor should the “government” which includes our congress representatives and senators have it left in their laps to “fix”. There should be a task force made up of medical professionals, financial wizards, professionals from the medical care insurance programs, representation for the “People”, Medicare representation, military representation which would be TMA, and the Health Care committee from the Senate and congress. Models from other countries should be looked at to see what works and does not work.
Yes, it time “we” open our eyes and minds and start working on a resolution to this gigantic problem. We also need to work on the “government” spending because essentually, it is you and I that are paying for the unecessary garbage/crap the White House says it needs.
Yes, yes, yes, I agree Allen. Get all the proffesinals that deal with health care every day (be it doctors, nurses, encon genuises, and actuaries for health insurance) and have them get together and figure out what is the best way to lower health care costs (insurance rates included). It didn’t make much sense to me that people (congress people) that have never been in the industry are trying to tell us how things are to be done.
No one has yet explained why it is so important to destroy a system providing coverage for 90% of the population, to provide coverage for the 10% of the population that can’t afford healthcare or simply choose not to pay for it? We know what the cost drivers are in the system. We know that supply and demand and competition bring products and services to the market at the lowest price possible. What we have needed is leadership, statesmanship that this country is lacking; and especially lacking within the Party that has held a super-majority for the first time in forever. Take Pelosi for example.. please take her! Hey Lady, you don’t jeopardize coverage for 270 million people to find a way to cover 30 million! Here’s a novel idea – Build a plan to cover the 30 million, and left the rest alone.
Every time I see this woman talk it begs the question, how did such a fool get elected? Partisan politics aside, she is just an embarassment to ALL political parties and the “D” in front of her name is just beyond embarrasment.
Last week she was 100% sure she had the votes, health reform was ABSOLUTELY pass.
If I were this incompetent on my job, I would very shortly be unemployed…so should she!
I agree w/ Matt too. Same old, same old. The independents are in control.
Problem is that in most states independents can’t vote in primaries. To get on the Rep or Dem ticket these candidates end up catering to the parties “base”. They coddle to the fringes on the right & left to get the nod.
Then the rest of us are stuck choosing the lesser of two evils.
Funny how this pivoted so fast from the most urgent issue to “there’s no rush.” At least the Dems have gotten the message about priorities. I’m sure it’s no coincidence that Obama is so quickly on to jobs and the economy.
It will be interesting to see if BO can pull one from the 1994 Clinton playbook and spin to the center before November. Either way, there will be some minor reform passed so the Dems and Reps can both claim victory, but the national program proposed is DOA.
I think were all passed this now. What about finding a logical solution instead of going back and forth to get nothing accomplished? Our current system is adding billions to our national debt and if you agree with anything like this, e-mail your congressman and senators:
Health care reform cannot be settled in a few months time, nor should the “government” which includes our congress representatives and senators have it left in their laps to “fix”. There should be a task force made up of medical professionals, financial wizards, professionals from the medical care insurance programs, representation for the “People”, Medicare representation, military representation which would be TMA, and the Health Care committee from the Senate and congress. Models from other countries should be looked at to see what works and does not work.
Yes, it time “we” open our eyes and minds and start working on a resolution to this gigantic problem. We also need to work on the “government” spending because essentually, it is you and I that are paying for the unecessary garbage/crap the White House says it needs.
Joe, you hit the nail on the head. The two parties produce candidates which appeal to the 25% on the left and 25% on the right. Then the middle 50% are forced to pick between two candidates, neither of which represent a majority of the country.
The byproduct of having to choose between two extremes is that both candidates appeal to people who vote with their hearts, not with their heads.
16 years ago the Clinton’s brought up Health Care Reform. Bill was savy enough to see it was a poison pill for his political future & jumped off the band wagon. BO has come to the same conclusion. This is a career ender. You cannot take on the most powerful lobbies (Health Insurance Companies, Drug Companies, the AMA and Trial Lawyers) all with a vested interest in the status quo and expect to make meaningful changes. BO tried to divide and conquer and even that didn’t work.
The Dems had one year and one year only to make this work. With the fall election coming this issue is not only on the back burner it is completely off the stove.
The health care problem and the impossibility of getting insurance for many Americans has been with us for well over 30 years now and has only grown worse.
Once again, any chance for improvement has likely been lost.
More and more Americans will remain uninsured and will have substantially higher death rates. These Americans will of course be poor so nobody will really care except their families.
We can’t just forget it. Our broken system is adding to our national debt and will help bankrupt this country. We’re now starting to approach $13 trillion and we keep on borrowing.
Dear Disgusted: If you think you can get something better in a different country then I suggest you go there! This is still a great country and we still have more than everyone else. We have our problems but it’s our country. Why don’t you start doing something to change things. You now what they say – charity starts at home!
No one protested Bush???? When did you crawl out from under your rock? Matt is right – we need an alternative. A party not influenced by special interest groups and politicians who blame the other party than turn around and do the same thing. Let them have term limits – max of 6 years than go home and get a job like the rest of us.
Yes, yes, yes,!!! The special interests are not in my interest and I’m guessing not in the intrest of most of us.
Did anyone catch the supreme court ruling yesterday that has given a green light to a new stampede of special interest money in our politics. It is a major victory for big oil, Wall Street banks, health insurance companies and the other powerful interests that marshal their power every day in Washington to drown out the voices of everyday Americans.
This ruling gives the special interests and their lobbyists even more power in Washington–while undermining the influence of average Americans who make small contributions to support their preferred candidates.
Wow Texas – People are dying and your response to someone who’s disgusted with a political process which guarantees more of the same is essentially “America, love it or leave it”.
Now, the heads of large corporations (often amongst the richest people in the country) get to spend millions of dollars of OTHER PEOPLE’S MONEY to advance their personal agendas.
It is a sad day indeed. Given the cost of running a camapaign, this small group of people will be able to elect or unseat almost anyone they want. And it won’t cost them a cent. Use stockholders money and just up your own pay. Then reap the illgotten rewards.
A reporter from CNN on Wolf Blitzer, a Jack called Nazi Pelosi a “Horrible Woman” and hit the nail on the head. This past Tuesday, Nazi stated that an election of Scott Brown would have no effect on the healthcare bill. Fast forward to Friday and she’s eating crow. She’s a disaster, partisan hack; insulted the American grassroots movement as being “astro-truf”, blamed the Republicans for being obstructionists but never included them in the closed door backroom dealings. Nancy Pelosi is a disgrace and incompetent *** or needs to be unelected come November. Unfortunately the voters of San Francisco beat to a different drum.
Congratulations to Tar, the first person today to describe someone they disagree with as a “Nazi”.
So Tar, who do you know who was tortured and murdered by secret police this week? Or are you just some jerk who should be ashamed of themselves for trivializing the suffering of millions during the 30’s and 40’s?
There is already a system in place for Americans to choose health care for the ten million uninsured, uninsurables – MEDICAID!!!!! If you want uninsured, uninsurables to have coverage paid for by the government, then start a ballot initiative to get a vote in your state to expand Medicaid. Look at all the advantages of this fantastic idea:
You get to help YOUR neighbors, or not.
The system is already in place and won’t be duplicated by the federal government.
States rights are preserved
No question, that I see, about the constitutionality of a state plan.
Cost half of what congress and the senate suggested.
Politicians and decision makers are held accountable at the state level.
Question – who is dying now for lack of health insurance, and why? Health insurance never saved or killed anyone.
Health care, maybe, but not health insurance. Plenty of people have been saved by health care who didnt have health insurance.
PEOPLE! What is happening now is waaay more important than all this bickering. “Just Curious” – it goes deeper than murder and torture. It’s how it all got started in history that will make more sense to you once you understand how the social powers came to power in the first place. I used to have the same mind set at first.
I’ve had many of conversations with TAR and I’ll back him/her any day of the week.
What’s more important is how we can get a handle on our national debt which, what a lot of legislation being done in Washington is adding to it.
Just Curious – I’m just some jerk who despises Nazi Pelosi. She claims to be “transparent” and conducts back door meetings. She claims to be “transparent” and takes an entourage of other Congressional whores to Copenhagen, at taxpayer expense spends $176,000 just on three U.S. Military planes, not to mention the cost of all to stay at a 5 star Marriott. Spending taxpayer money this country doesn’t have, people losing their jobs and homes and she’s pissing away taxpayer money on lavish junkets around the world. No, I will not apologize for calling her Nazi Pelosi. She has been the absolute worst Speaker of the House this country has ever had. So if you think I’m a jerk then so be it, your entitled to your opinion as I am mine!
TAR: You may be surprised to hear that my opinion of Speaker Pelosi is pretty much identical to yours. I can think of nothing good to say about her leadership. She is undoubtedly the worst Speaker of the House in my lifetime.
But comparing her to Hitler or the Nazis is ludicrous. You not only trivialize that entire era and it’s horrors, you also detract from your own arguments. Playing the Nazi card doesn’t add to what you say, it subtracts from it.
You are certainly open to your opinion. I don’t think it’s trivializing Pelosi. In fact it fits her well. She conducted business under covers, demonized Americans and opposing party, yet has done everything to undermine the American people and I believe the U.S. Constitution. Her arrogance of power puts her above all others, maybe you say she’s more like a queen. I would think more like a czar. Barney Frank, Rep. Jefferson from LA, Corrine Brown from FL have not been held accountable for their actions under her watch, yet it’s always the Republicans fault. It’s one thing ruling with an iron fist, it’s another thing to circumvent the U.S. Constitution and disgrace one of the most powerful seats in American Politics, third in line for the presidency (heaven forbid). Nancy (Nazi) sounds the same. Demonizing Americans who disagree (Nazi’s demonized the jews) She hasn’t done the extreme. But you must admit she lies just like Hitler. So, Just Curious, no apologies here. We are watching before our eyes the dismantling of our U.S. Constitution, the Free Enterprise System and Capitalism by the extreme left wing of this country – One occupies the White House, One Occupies the U.S. House, and of course Reid in the Senate. It’s a disgrace.
Many of the areas you speak of (lying and demonizing their opponents) are routine acts for way too many politicians. Unfortunately, conducting business behind closed doors and being arrogant aren’t exactly uncommon either.
Calling anyone who does these things a Nazi misses the point of what made them truly evil.
We will agree to disagree. Why do we have to accept the practice of well they did this before. It was Obama and Pelosi who promised transparency. They lied. It was Pelosi who demonized the Republicans for being obstructionists and they were excluded. So because it was done before it’s acceptable. Well it’s not acceptable. Who pays, the American people. I’m an angry voter and it’s time we demand that our elected officials follow a set of rules by the voters. If they can’t then they need to go. Pelosi is one that needs to go. She’s a self serving power *****. We knew we were in trouble in 2006 when she self proclaimed that she was the most powerful woman in the United States. She’s continued to do everything to disappoint the American people. And in a time when fiscal restraint should be the undertaking of the White House, U.S. House and Senate the political leaders have failed miserably.
That is the number the FEDERAL government gave to STATES to help fund MEDICAID in FY 2009. And that is literally only the HALF of it for a state like Illinois.
“On February 17, 2009, the president signed the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 into law. Among other actions, this law increased the federal matching rate for Illinois’ Medicaid program from 50.32 percent to 60.48 percent for 27 months, starting
October 1, 2008.”
Including states portions you could double the number above to give the TOTAL spent on MEDICAID only. Notice this does NOT include MEDICARE.
I don’t know about you “Disgusted”, but that is alot of money to me.
I could very well be missing something, but to me we are focusing on the wrong thing. If the cost of our medicine is too high, why don’t we increase the supply until it matches up with the demand. A start would be to increase the number of doctors and nurses. It would also make sense to increase the numbers of hospitals and clinics. At that point in time, wouldn’t it make sense that all of these facilities would then have to be competing for our business and then wouldn’t costs come down-at least somewhat?
So maybe this is like a TVA or WPA type Roosevelt initiative-double the numer of medical and nursing schools. Start building or remodeling existing or shuttered facilities. Increase the funding for medical innovation and creativity. In exchange for the training, put these professionals where they are needed-rural and inner city areas in exchange for the training Uncle Sam is paying for.
Sounds simple? Yeah it does, but it sure beats the mess the Dems have been flogging as well as the just say no attitude of the Repubs.
One number is the TOTAL Defense Budgets and the other is the TOTAL Health and Human Services Budgets.
Yes, we spend more on social services than defense.
Source: Final Monthly Treasury Statement
of Receipts and Outlays
of the United States Government
For Fiscal Year 2009 Through September 30, 2009, and Other Periods
It’s simple, Power and Control. With the current mindset of this administration and Congress they want to control what, when, where and how the American people are taken care of. Preferably through the federal government, much like Stalin and Mao. American people will be indentured to the federal government, afterall they know what’s best for you and me.
What we have today is a poor excuse for a “free market system”, IMO, and that’s why costs for those of us in the 90% that are insured keep going up faster than inflation. We need to reform which spans the entire health CARE system. The poor/uninsured not having access to health care is a separate problem which can be address through increase funding to state medicaid programs.
We need health insurance policies which act more like insurance and less like a bill-pay system.
We need medical providers to disclose the costs of proposed services to their patients in a transparent and timely manner, BEFORE treatment is decided or administered.
We need the legal system to do a better job of weeding out frivolous medical malpractice claims, which contribute to defensive medicine.
We need heavy restrictions on health insurance underwriting and effective residual market mechanisms for the uninsurable.
Health care reform cannot be settled in a few months time, nor should the “government” which includes our congress representatives and senators have it left in their laps to “fix”. There should be a task force made up of medical professionals, financial wizards, professionals from the medical care insurance programs, representation for the “People”, Medicare representation, military representation which would be TMA, and the Health Care committee from the Senate and congress. Models from other countries should be looked at to see what works and does not work.
Yes, it time “we” open our eyes and minds and start working on a resolution to this gigantic problem. We also need to work on the “government” spending because essentually, it is you and I that are paying for the unecessary garbage/crap the White House says it needs.
Agree or disagree? If you like this idea, write, e-mail or call your state represntatives.
The democratic leadership just set a new record for “World’s fastest backpedaling”
When will people realize we need more political parties? We only have two horses, and they’re pulling the same darn cart.
We were rightfully pissed when Bush & the conservatives wouldn’t stop beating the war drum, bailed out Wall Street and did things like pass unfunded medicare part D. They were a disgrace to the word “conservative.”
So we “voted the bums out”.
Now, when the new hope/change administration and congress does some of the THE EXACT SAME THINGS, we all scream about “voting the bums out”.
So that we will. We’ll vote out those Dems in 2010 and 2012. Then the GOP will do THE EXACT SAME THING. Then we’ll vote em out and vote in the Dems. Then the Dems will do THE EXACT SAME THING. Seeing a pattern here?
These worthless scum bags on both sides of the aisle have got to go. Never vote for another republican or democrat again.
Too bad that will never happen, since with the new SCOTUS ruling we will have “2012, Brought to you by Carl’s Jr”
No one has EVER done what this President and this Congress are doing…blatantly and intentionally ignoring the will of the American people, with an attitude that “they know what’s best”.
Very few, if any, were marching in the streets of America, protesting Bush or any other President in recent history for that matter. (with the exception of isolated extreme views re iraq war/Cindy Sheehan, etc.) The uprising during this Obama administration is UNPRECEDENTED..and it’s 100% as a result of Obama and the democrat controlled congressional actions and attitudes. It’s not politics as usual. Don’t flatter yourself, that Obama is just going about business like every other president did.
Americans were asleep at the wheel in the prosperous years, but Obama, Pelosi and Reid have awakened a sleeping giant. For that, I thank them.
The GOP found a good looking no-name, gave him a pickup truck and a flag pin, and fed him some one-liners about Al Qaeda wanting to kill us.
And you say it “isn’t politics as usual”?
Baloney.
The political leadership is playing a game of “angry voter hot potato.” They’ve gotten very good at it. Right now the democrats are holding the potato. After the next election cycle, they’ll throw it back to the republicans, and then we’ll be right back where we started.
Look at the mastery! The VAST majority of the populace strongly disagrees with the method of politics in Washington. The VAST majority strongly disagrees with the spending. The VAST majority think we are headed on the wrong track. Yet we continue to elect the very same people that we all despise.
How is this not mastery in gaming our political system? How is this not “politics as usual”?
Instead of beating this to death and going back and forth to accomplish nothing, why don’t we stgart being americans again and go about this the smart way.
I had a small conversation with my mother, who is a nurse, and she came up with a logical approach to how the government should have gone about this whole reform process:
Health care reform cannot be settled in a few months time, nor should the “government” which includes our congress representatives and senators have it left in their laps to “fix”. There should be a task force made up of medical professionals, financial wizards, professionals from the medical care insurance programs, representation for the “People”, Medicare representation, military representation which would be TMA, and the Health Care committee from the Senate and congress. Models from other countries should be looked at to see what works and does not work.
Yes, it time “we” open our eyes and minds and start working on a resolution to this gigantic problem. We also need to work on the “government” spending because essentually, it is you and I that are paying for the unecessary garbage/crap the White House says it needs.
Anyone agree?
Yes, yes, yes, I agree Allen. Get all the proffesinals that deal with health care every day (be it doctors, nurses, encon genuises, and actuaries for health insurance) and have them get together and figure out what is the best way to lower health care costs (insurance rates included). It didn’t make much sense to me that people (congress people) that have never been in the industry are trying to tell us how things are to be done.
I agree with Matt.
No one has yet explained why it is so important to destroy a system providing coverage for 90% of the population, to provide coverage for the 10% of the population that can’t afford healthcare or simply choose not to pay for it? We know what the cost drivers are in the system. We know that supply and demand and competition bring products and services to the market at the lowest price possible. What we have needed is leadership, statesmanship that this country is lacking; and especially lacking within the Party that has held a super-majority for the first time in forever. Take Pelosi for example.. please take her! Hey Lady, you don’t jeopardize coverage for 270 million people to find a way to cover 30 million! Here’s a novel idea – Build a plan to cover the 30 million, and left the rest alone.
Every time I see this woman talk it begs the question, how did such a fool get elected? Partisan politics aside, she is just an embarassment to ALL political parties and the “D” in front of her name is just beyond embarrasment.
Last week she was 100% sure she had the votes, health reform was ABSOLUTELY pass.
If I were this incompetent on my job, I would very shortly be unemployed…so should she!
I agree w/ Matt too. Same old, same old. The independents are in control.
Problem is that in most states independents can’t vote in primaries. To get on the Rep or Dem ticket these candidates end up catering to the parties “base”. They coddle to the fringes on the right & left to get the nod.
Then the rest of us are stuck choosing the lesser of two evils.
I too would love to see a viable third party.
Funny how this pivoted so fast from the most urgent issue to “there’s no rush.” At least the Dems have gotten the message about priorities. I’m sure it’s no coincidence that Obama is so quickly on to jobs and the economy.
It will be interesting to see if BO can pull one from the 1994 Clinton playbook and spin to the center before November. Either way, there will be some minor reform passed so the Dems and Reps can both claim victory, but the national program proposed is DOA.
I think were all passed this now. What about finding a logical solution instead of going back and forth to get nothing accomplished? Our current system is adding billions to our national debt and if you agree with anything like this, e-mail your congressman and senators:
Health care reform cannot be settled in a few months time, nor should the “government” which includes our congress representatives and senators have it left in their laps to “fix”. There should be a task force made up of medical professionals, financial wizards, professionals from the medical care insurance programs, representation for the “People”, Medicare representation, military representation which would be TMA, and the Health Care committee from the Senate and congress. Models from other countries should be looked at to see what works and does not work.
Yes, it time “we” open our eyes and minds and start working on a resolution to this gigantic problem. We also need to work on the “government” spending because essentually, it is you and I that are paying for the unecessary garbage/crap the White House says it needs.
Anyone disagree with this?
Joe, you hit the nail on the head. The two parties produce candidates which appeal to the 25% on the left and 25% on the right. Then the middle 50% are forced to pick between two candidates, neither of which represent a majority of the country.
The byproduct of having to choose between two extremes is that both candidates appeal to people who vote with their hearts, not with their heads.
16 years ago the Clinton’s brought up Health Care Reform. Bill was savy enough to see it was a poison pill for his political future & jumped off the band wagon. BO has come to the same conclusion. This is a career ender. You cannot take on the most powerful lobbies (Health Insurance Companies, Drug Companies, the AMA and Trial Lawyers) all with a vested interest in the status quo and expect to make meaningful changes. BO tried to divide and conquer and even that didn’t work.
The Dems had one year and one year only to make this work. With the fall election coming this issue is not only on the back burner it is completely off the stove.
uh-oh…that means ol’ Barry will have to start working on the economy and trying to keep us safe from terror. We’re screwed!
The health care problem and the impossibility of getting insurance for many Americans has been with us for well over 30 years now and has only grown worse.
Once again, any chance for improvement has likely been lost.
More and more Americans will remain uninsured and will have substantially higher death rates. These Americans will of course be poor so nobody will really care except their families.
What a great country we live in!
We can’t just forget it. Our broken system is adding to our national debt and will help bankrupt this country. We’re now starting to approach $13 trillion and we keep on borrowing.
This has to stop….now!
Dear Disgusted: If you think you can get something better in a different country then I suggest you go there! This is still a great country and we still have more than everyone else. We have our problems but it’s our country. Why don’t you start doing something to change things. You now what they say – charity starts at home!
No one protested Bush???? When did you crawl out from under your rock? Matt is right – we need an alternative. A party not influenced by special interest groups and politicians who blame the other party than turn around and do the same thing. Let them have term limits – max of 6 years than go home and get a job like the rest of us.
Yes, yes, yes,!!! The special interests are not in my interest and I’m guessing not in the intrest of most of us.
Did anyone catch the supreme court ruling yesterday that has given a green light to a new stampede of special interest money in our politics. It is a major victory for big oil, Wall Street banks, health insurance companies and the other powerful interests that marshal their power every day in Washington to drown out the voices of everyday Americans.
This ruling gives the special interests and their lobbyists even more power in Washington–while undermining the influence of average Americans who make small contributions to support their preferred candidates.
Are you f&*%$ing kidding me?????
Wow Texas – People are dying and your response to someone who’s disgusted with a political process which guarantees more of the same is essentially “America, love it or leave it”.
I’m speechless.
Matt: You rule. Well said. It does not matter what my or anyone else’s position on healthcare legislation is.
I wish Pelosi would just go away. They lose one seat and now they are ready to pack it in.
Yes Allan, I saw it and am deeply saddened.
Now, the heads of large corporations (often amongst the richest people in the country) get to spend millions of dollars of OTHER PEOPLE’S MONEY to advance their personal agendas.
It is a sad day indeed. Given the cost of running a camapaign, this small group of people will be able to elect or unseat almost anyone they want. And it won’t cost them a cent. Use stockholders money and just up your own pay. Then reap the illgotten rewards.
I can hardly wait.
The Dems are bloviating!!!! They will kiss
butt until the elections are over hoping
they keep their positions and then put it to us again!!!
I wonder how many times she is going to jump up and clap at the Presidential address next week. Maybe they’ll stick velcro to her.
A reporter from CNN on Wolf Blitzer, a Jack called Nazi Pelosi a “Horrible Woman” and hit the nail on the head. This past Tuesday, Nazi stated that an election of Scott Brown would have no effect on the healthcare bill. Fast forward to Friday and she’s eating crow. She’s a disaster, partisan hack; insulted the American grassroots movement as being “astro-truf”, blamed the Republicans for being obstructionists but never included them in the closed door backroom dealings. Nancy Pelosi is a disgrace and incompetent *** or needs to be unelected come November. Unfortunately the voters of San Francisco beat to a different drum.
Congratulations to Tar, the first person today to describe someone they disagree with as a “Nazi”.
So Tar, who do you know who was tortured and murdered by secret police this week? Or are you just some jerk who should be ashamed of themselves for trivializing the suffering of millions during the 30’s and 40’s?
Just curious.
There is already a system in place for Americans to choose health care for the ten million uninsured, uninsurables – MEDICAID!!!!! If you want uninsured, uninsurables to have coverage paid for by the government, then start a ballot initiative to get a vote in your state to expand Medicaid. Look at all the advantages of this fantastic idea:
You get to help YOUR neighbors, or not.
The system is already in place and won’t be duplicated by the federal government.
States rights are preserved
No question, that I see, about the constitutionality of a state plan.
Cost half of what congress and the senate suggested.
Politicians and decision makers are held accountable at the state level.
Question – who is dying now for lack of health insurance, and why? Health insurance never saved or killed anyone.
Health care, maybe, but not health insurance. Plenty of people have been saved by health care who didnt have health insurance.
PEOPLE! What is happening now is waaay more important than all this bickering. “Just Curious” – it goes deeper than murder and torture. It’s how it all got started in history that will make more sense to you once you understand how the social powers came to power in the first place. I used to have the same mind set at first.
I’ve had many of conversations with TAR and I’ll back him/her any day of the week.
What’s more important is how we can get a handle on our national debt which, what a lot of legislation being done in Washington is adding to it.
Over $12 trillion and still going.
Riddle me this sir or maam:
What does this number represent?
$201,426,000,000
And what do these two numbers represent?
$700,501,000,000
$594,680,000,000
Good luck with your guess.
Just Curious – I’m just some jerk who despises Nazi Pelosi. She claims to be “transparent” and conducts back door meetings. She claims to be “transparent” and takes an entourage of other Congressional whores to Copenhagen, at taxpayer expense spends $176,000 just on three U.S. Military planes, not to mention the cost of all to stay at a 5 star Marriott. Spending taxpayer money this country doesn’t have, people losing their jobs and homes and she’s pissing away taxpayer money on lavish junkets around the world. No, I will not apologize for calling her Nazi Pelosi. She has been the absolute worst Speaker of the House this country has ever had. So if you think I’m a jerk then so be it, your entitled to your opinion as I am mine!
TAR: You may be surprised to hear that my opinion of Speaker Pelosi is pretty much identical to yours. I can think of nothing good to say about her leadership. She is undoubtedly the worst Speaker of the House in my lifetime.
But comparing her to Hitler or the Nazis is ludicrous. You not only trivialize that entire era and it’s horrors, you also detract from your own arguments. Playing the Nazi card doesn’t add to what you say, it subtracts from it.
You are certainly open to your opinion. I don’t think it’s trivializing Pelosi. In fact it fits her well. She conducted business under covers, demonized Americans and opposing party, yet has done everything to undermine the American people and I believe the U.S. Constitution. Her arrogance of power puts her above all others, maybe you say she’s more like a queen. I would think more like a czar. Barney Frank, Rep. Jefferson from LA, Corrine Brown from FL have not been held accountable for their actions under her watch, yet it’s always the Republicans fault. It’s one thing ruling with an iron fist, it’s another thing to circumvent the U.S. Constitution and disgrace one of the most powerful seats in American Politics, third in line for the presidency (heaven forbid). Nancy (Nazi) sounds the same. Demonizing Americans who disagree (Nazi’s demonized the jews) She hasn’t done the extreme. But you must admit she lies just like Hitler. So, Just Curious, no apologies here. We are watching before our eyes the dismantling of our U.S. Constitution, the Free Enterprise System and Capitalism by the extreme left wing of this country – One occupies the White House, One Occupies the U.S. House, and of course Reid in the Senate. It’s a disgrace.
Just one where we will have to agree to disagree.
Many of the areas you speak of (lying and demonizing their opponents) are routine acts for way too many politicians. Unfortunately, conducting business behind closed doors and being arrogant aren’t exactly uncommon either.
Calling anyone who does these things a Nazi misses the point of what made them truly evil.
We will agree to disagree. Why do we have to accept the practice of well they did this before. It was Obama and Pelosi who promised transparency. They lied. It was Pelosi who demonized the Republicans for being obstructionists and they were excluded. So because it was done before it’s acceptable. Well it’s not acceptable. Who pays, the American people. I’m an angry voter and it’s time we demand that our elected officials follow a set of rules by the voters. If they can’t then they need to go. Pelosi is one that needs to go. She’s a self serving power *****. We knew we were in trouble in 2006 when she self proclaimed that she was the most powerful woman in the United States. She’s continued to do everything to disappoint the American people. And in a time when fiscal restraint should be the undertaking of the White House, U.S. House and Senate the political leaders have failed miserably.
$201,426,000,000
That is the number the FEDERAL government gave to STATES to help fund MEDICAID in FY 2009. And that is literally only the HALF of it for a state like Illinois.
“On February 17, 2009, the president signed the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 into law. Among other actions, this law increased the federal matching rate for Illinois’ Medicaid program from 50.32 percent to 60.48 percent for 27 months, starting
October 1, 2008.”
Including states portions you could double the number above to give the TOTAL spent on MEDICAID only. Notice this does NOT include MEDICARE.
I don’t know about you “Disgusted”, but that is alot of money to me.
I could very well be missing something, but to me we are focusing on the wrong thing. If the cost of our medicine is too high, why don’t we increase the supply until it matches up with the demand. A start would be to increase the number of doctors and nurses. It would also make sense to increase the numbers of hospitals and clinics. At that point in time, wouldn’t it make sense that all of these facilities would then have to be competing for our business and then wouldn’t costs come down-at least somewhat?
So maybe this is like a TVA or WPA type Roosevelt initiative-double the numer of medical and nursing schools. Start building or remodeling existing or shuttered facilities. Increase the funding for medical innovation and creativity. In exchange for the training, put these professionals where they are needed-rural and inner city areas in exchange for the training Uncle Sam is paying for.
Sounds simple? Yeah it does, but it sure beats the mess the Dems have been flogging as well as the just say no attitude of the Repubs.
$700,501,000,000
$594,680,000,000
One number is the TOTAL Defense Budgets and the other is the TOTAL Health and Human Services Budgets.
Yes, we spend more on social services than defense.
Source: Final Monthly Treasury Statement
of Receipts and Outlays
of the United States Government
For Fiscal Year 2009 Through September 30, 2009, and Other Periods
http://fms.treas.gov/mts/mts0909.pdf
It’s simple, Power and Control. With the current mindset of this administration and Congress they want to control what, when, where and how the American people are taken care of. Preferably through the federal government, much like Stalin and Mao. American people will be indentured to the federal government, afterall they know what’s best for you and me.
What we have today is a poor excuse for a “free market system”, IMO, and that’s why costs for those of us in the 90% that are insured keep going up faster than inflation. We need to reform which spans the entire health CARE system. The poor/uninsured not having access to health care is a separate problem which can be address through increase funding to state medicaid programs.
We need health insurance policies which act more like insurance and less like a bill-pay system.
We need medical providers to disclose the costs of proposed services to their patients in a transparent and timely manner, BEFORE treatment is decided or administered.
We need the legal system to do a better job of weeding out frivolous medical malpractice claims, which contribute to defensive medicine.
We need heavy restrictions on health insurance underwriting and effective residual market mechanisms for the uninsurable.
Ya, wouldn’t it be nice. But our policy and law makers have too much to give up in the way of special interest and money.
We’ll never see health reform and we’ll never get off foreign oil either.