Healthcare Reform Will Cut Deficit by $138 Billion, Says Budget Office

By and | March 18, 2010

  • March 18, 2010 at 10:23 am
    N Peel Ose says:
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    I wonder if even they believe their own lies. Yes, they will tax the heck out of everyone they can, but the economic depression as a result will kill the revenues. Medical costs will not go down. They will soar. And villifying insurance companies will not change that.

  • March 18, 2010 at 11:29 am
    Health Net, HSI, Cal-Comp HMO says:
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    Food for Oil, juxtapositions! Scenario Not one ****ing ***-hole from the House of Representatives nor the senate has the balls to speak up and condemn the use of the same type tactics as HMO’s.

    President Obama, when will you address the following:
    A scenario (from Italian, that which is pinned to the scenery) is a synthetic description of an event or series of actions and events. In the Commedia dell’arte it was an outline of entrances, exits, and action describing the plot of a play that was literally pinned to the back of the scenery. It is also known as canovaccio or “that which is pinned to the canvas” of which the scenery was constructed. It also conisist of the following, Like Pin the tale on the donkey instead of the Jack asses of this County for failure to dismantle the entire HMO’s, Attorney’s, & Hospital Chains who practice scenarios. What if were ever got caught?

    HMO’s, Attorney’s, Insurance Companies, Big Bank Blockers are just of the few conglomerates that push for universal health coverage, when if fact we have that.

    Saudia Arabia, Pakistan bargains with BIG Pharmaceutical companies also in the US of A Health care.

    H.C.A. big farce, UNIVERSAL. Take a wild look at how the sane tactic’s moving from Australia, HSI has made it’s way in America. Vise-versa partnerships.

    Australian doctors were threatened with the company slander, and thought to be outrages in the attempts to warn anyone who would listen.

    Malik Mohammed Hasan, major belief in American politicians who do NOTHING to dismantle his own hypocrisy.

    One thing Obama has is the same do Nothing. His home state of Illinois is full of Hypocritical Medical boards, medical specialty boards.

    That state alone has a full house! and the royal flush, is One like Malik Hansan and company. Rush University Graduate, my ***!

    The people who do willingly destroy health care for all, are the so called professionals in out communities, hospitals, police, social welfare offices, and the like,

    No voice….once they achieved federal/state/county jobs security guaranteed health care, why take a chance and lose what we have and not taken one step to insure others do too.

    BIG COWARDS…

  • March 18, 2010 at 11:46 am
    verses, byyour own predication says:
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    Hi AIG and the A.R.G. I hope you get every whiff of stench that you deserve! Scene/s from an Italian Restaurateur: Michael Orber, Indemnity Inc. & Associates. Walnut Creek, California. Black Angus Restaurant, Milpitas, California. “Major Partners’.

    Welfare, single mother…

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  • March 18, 2010 at 12:23 pm
    Ben Dover says:
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    I cannot understand how we will reduce the budget by $138 billion when the plan will cost an extra $980 billion? It is going to cost the taxpayers another $980 billion!
    ALso, if this plan is so good, why aren’t all the politicians offering to become part of it?

  • March 18, 2010 at 12:23 pm
    Ha! says:
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    Agreed!

    Interesting how the media is taking the CBO “Preliminary Estimates” as fact rather than reporting the truth that their numbers are not based on anything concrete since the reconciliation bill has not been written yet and therefore cannot possibly be scored.

  • March 18, 2010 at 12:29 pm
    Fanucci says:
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    How can the Congress vote on a bill that is over 2700 pages? Nobody in Congress has ever read the bill, and another point is how can you vote on a bill that nobody can get a completed copy. The health care bill will mean a lot more taxes for all people regardless of income.

  • March 18, 2010 at 12:31 pm
    Anonymous says:
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    Lets just vote these dumba– dems out of office next election…nazi Nancy and the rest.

  • March 18, 2010 at 12:34 pm
    Fanucci says:
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    That’s what the Congress is very very afraid of. The Congress is very fearful of the mid term elections in November. The Congressional aproval rating is less than 20%. Vote the bums out.

  • March 18, 2010 at 12:36 pm
    Know It Alls says:
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    1. The Senate health care bill as amended by a reconciliation bill; thats what the CBO scored.
    2. They are not spending $950 Billion ON TOP of existing spending. This is a new path for how healthcare is administered in this country. The existing path will cost more, insure less people and allow health insurtance compsnies to continue to deny coverage, etc. After reform, we can get more people insured, have more say over how insurance companies treat us and spend less money compared to if we had stayed on the current path.

  • March 18, 2010 at 12:42 pm
    sarah says:
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    Lets see 10 years of tax increases and 6 years of benefits! DUH…..

    How about the next 10 years, 2020 to 2030 when we have found out we can not cut medicare by 500 billion and we are recieving 10 years of benefits. CBO – Score that!

  • March 18, 2010 at 12:56 pm
    Peter Cuggy says:
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    What has ever been run well by the government? Social Security? Medicare? Medicaid? National defence? Interstate commerce?
    Oh, that’s right, Congress’ health plan and pension system works well.

  • March 18, 2010 at 12:57 pm
    Mike N says:
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    Your4 lies do not fly. These numbers were achieved using 10 years of taxation, versus 4 years of providing services. In other words…this is a lie. Obama is a liar. There is absolutely no other way any person with a modicum of financial and accounting training could see this. So, either you are disabled in this manner, “Know it alls”, or you are lying. Which is it?

  • March 18, 2010 at 12:57 pm
    Judy King says:
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    Let’s give the dems a break and a large part of those people who unlike us, HAVE NO INSURANCE!

  • March 18, 2010 at 12:59 pm
    joan the underwriter says:
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    Can you explain how we will save money by having the government more involved? I have not heard one person (politician, blogger, etc) explain exactly how money would be saved. Many use the words “cost containment” but I haven’t seen it spelled out step by step or penny by penny. Not even in the 2700 page bill.

    Could you also tell me what other programs the government has saved us money on when they took over? Is there even one program that hasn’t cost more than projected? Just curious.

  • March 18, 2010 at 1:02 am
    Peter Cuggy says:
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    Mr. Know It ALl: I believe Medicare (govt run) denies more claims them Blue Cross and Aetna combined.

    Insure everyone, but not through a government run agency!! What does govt run well?

  • March 18, 2010 at 1:03 am
    Disgusted says:
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    Government has it’s problems, certainly,
    But, which industry hasn’t had companies act unethically, abusively and without any regard for the safety of their customers, employees and stockholders? Like it or not, greed rules and the people running large corporations lie, cheat and steal. The only limit on that is government regulation.

  • March 18, 2010 at 1:04 am
    no tolerance says:
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    Donna Smith and John Whitesides are clearly in the tank with the rest of the jabronies in this administration pushing this money pit. They could have at least given the facts countering this article articulated by the posters below me. What a farce.
    Can’t wait till election time and then if needed push to repeal it if this crud passes.

  • March 18, 2010 at 1:06 am
    Ha! says:
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    “1. The Senate health care bill as amended by a reconciliation bill; thats what the CBO scored. ”

    Could you kindly point to the reconciliation bill you speak of and the CBO supposedly scored? There is none, it has not been written yet!

  • March 18, 2010 at 1:07 am
    Peddler says:
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    If you belive this I got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you too!!

  • March 18, 2010 at 1:09 am
    Larry Dean says:
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    Spend $940 billion to save $138 Billion. What is it that I don’t get about why this is such a great deal to taxpayers?

  • March 18, 2010 at 1:25 am
    cut the crap says:
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    No, democrats lie, cheat and steal-starting with Frank and Pelosi. For the few in business who do so, there are many more who do not, and at the end of the day, the free market has built-in incentives (PROFIT) for innovation and cost-containment (better, faster, cheaper) that gov’t doesn’t. Democrats ideas of big government have been proven wrong in this country and others time and time again, yet they refuse to “change” and you keep on believing their lies. That’s the definition of insanity.

  • March 18, 2010 at 1:27 am
    So easy a senator could do it says:
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    They aren’t addressing the real problem… COST OF HEALTH CARE. Until those in Congress start looking at the real problem, they will not get my vote.

    The private sector is what makes America #1. More Gov’t = worse off. It’s that simple democrats!

  • March 18, 2010 at 2:12 am
    MARK WEHKING says:
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    I know how to stop this healthcare bologna dead in its tracks…..Tell the congressmen & senators that they are required to take the plan as well as the 30 million uninsured! We’ll see then how good it is for ALL Americans.

  • March 18, 2010 at 2:28 am
    Disgusted says:
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    The private sector made America #1. I don’t think so. We are #1 because of military might and the atomic bomb, nothing more.

    Our economy is routinely beaten by others around the world. Have you looked at our trade deficit recently?

    The private sector is sending jobs overseas as fast as they possibly can. It’s one of the primary reasons for unemployment. The other being the mess our private sector made of the world banking sector making it almost impossible for startups and other businesses to get the loans needed to create jobs.

    Left to their own devices, the private sector will enrich a few and bankrupt everyone else.

  • March 18, 2010 at 2:44 am
    MonarchyNow! says:
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    @disgusted: the private sector is sending jobs overseas due to onerous government regulations & tax liabilities!!
    Unfortunately for tax paying – private industry schmucks like me, the only growth sector in our economy IS government! and the only way to sustain such a beast is to keep feeding it by increasing “social programs” that “benefit everybody” so they can justify increasing the tax burden on the backs of proletariats like myself.

    the government could not successfully run something as simple as a CASH FOR CLUNKERS program!! surely healthcare will be a much easier task to manage – and their success is all but guaranteed!

  • March 18, 2010 at 2:44 am
    So easy a senator could do it says:
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    Disgusted, where would our military be without private enterprise?

    Yes our military might has greately increased our wealth through actions abroad to protect our interests, but all of those weapons and even a lot of the personnel came or come from private businesses (blackwater, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Smith & Wesson, etc.)

    America is private enterprise. Our military wouldn’t be where it’s at without it. Therefore, ultimately, private enterprise made us #1.

    The more the gov’t stays out of the way, the more we prosper. That includes our military. If all military contractors were fired so that the gov’t could take over, what do you think would happen? The economy would tank and our soldiers would be left without all of the cool gadgets that make us supreme.

  • March 18, 2010 at 3:05 am
    Lawrence says:
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    Some of you need to calm down. This is not a government takeover– that’s just political crap. Telling private insurers they can’t deny coverage for pre-existing conditions is not a takeover. If you really want a government takeover, do nothing. States will be left holding the bag as individuals lose coverage and businesses drop plans because they can’t afford them. Lost in all the political sniping and vitriol are the needs of 30 million or more Americans left out of the current health care system (which works SO well, right?) and the fact– even Republicans agree– that if nothing is done, our health care system will bankrupt government, businesses and individuals. Ask a Republican to pinpoint the features he/she doesn’t like. Get specific. Their gripes about this bill are philosophical and hysterical and outright lier. They had control of Washington for years and did nothing. They still have not been able to put forth serious proposals that actually solve problems in health care. ‘d like to see Congress pass this and then fix what else needs to be fixed– including going after costs– in months and years to come. But this is a start. However unlike many I do not think this will pass. I think Dems are too fractured and weak as a party. So it will be another decade– and thousands of deaths, bankruptcies, insolvencies and millionaire health and HMO CEOs– before we revisit reform.

  • March 18, 2010 at 3:12 am
    Disgusted says:
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    Are you suggesting that the U.S. tort system, average worker wages, including benefits (often fair here, grossly inadequate overseas) and other non-government factors have nothing to do with moving jobs overseas?

    And what about the U.S. consumer? China routinely sends us poisonous garbage and steals our intellectual property but it’s cheaper so that’s what we buy. Does that too have nothing to do with jobs going overseas?

    Is it really nothing but government regulations and tax liabilities?

  • March 18, 2010 at 3:20 am
    Ha! says:
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    “Telling private insurers they can’t deny coverage for pre-existing conditions is not a takeover.”

    “Insure” and “pre-existing conditions” are mutually exclusive of each other.

    When you insure someone or something you secure indemnity to or on, in case of loss, damage, or death. “In case of” not “in spite of”.

    Mandating that a health insurance company cover a pre-existing medical condition is no different than mandating that a life insurance company sell a life insurance policy on someone who died yesterday so their survivors get paid.

    Heck, let’s require auto insurance companies to insure the uninsured as well and require the insurer to pay on accidents that happened prior to the date of coverage.

  • March 18, 2010 at 3:30 am
    theinsexpert says:
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    Spoiler: That is NOT a sarcastic subject line.

    Medical insurance companies have been collectively hiking their skirts against the tide of losses and high-costs, leaving many folks adrift, for too long. As soon as one raises prices, bringing the bottom-line up, they all do. As soon as one excludes losses, they all do. If one doesn’t cover pre-existing illnesses, they all don’t. Thank goodness the gov’t will step in and make them put them hemlines back down. When they ALL do so collectively they’ll find the flood waters won’t reach them. So if you all cover those pre-existing condiitons, the costs will be spread across the industry for little effect on rates. The uninsured masses will be reduced, more people buying means lower rates (remember, isnurance is a collective), and we will finally achieve peace, with honor…something Republicans have sought since the days of their best example- Nixon. Insurance companies need to work on reducing costs- make doctors and hospitals compete on price, get rid of bad doctors, reduce earnings on med malpractice and personal injury for lawyers. STOP helping those groups tap the public money vein.

  • March 18, 2010 at 3:31 am
    Stop the Insanity says:
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    We don’t want this bill! WE don’t want this bill! We DON’T want this bill! We don’t WANT this bill!! We don’t want THIS bill!! We don’t want this BILL! WE DON’T WANT THIS BILL!!!!

    Hey, idiots in Congress, how much louder do we have to shout before you hear us??

  • March 18, 2010 at 3:31 am
    Just Curious says:
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    Thus the need to make the purchase of health coverage mandatory and the need for a government option (assigned risk plan, JUA, etc) of some sort.

    It greatly reduces this problem. And medical providers get paid for providing medical services.

  • March 18, 2010 at 3:36 am
    Disgusted says:
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    When were YOU authorized to speak on behalf of “WE”?

    I know when Congress was.

  • March 18, 2010 at 3:45 am
    Stop the Insanity says:
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    Disgusted – I speak for the “we” composed of all the people (a majority no matter which poll you look at ) that don’t want this forced on us. I speak for the “we” composed of the people who marched on Washington last year and have gathered outside the offices of their representatives and senators in cities and towns all over America to protest this farce. I speak for the “we” of all the people at the Town Halls last summer who tried desperately to get their senators and congressmen to understand how the majority of people feel about this. I speak for the “we” composed of all the people who are going to Washington this Saturday at noon to protest this monstrosity. Maybe that “we” isn’t composed of everyone, maybe you’re not in that “we,” but a heck of a lot of people are, and THOSE are the people my comments are about. And since when did I need “authorization” to express an opinion?? Last I checked, we still had freedom of speech in this country. You can go ahead and exercise yours, but don’t tell me I can’t exercise mine. I don’t need “authorization.” Thank you.

  • March 18, 2010 at 4:11 am
    Sean says:
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    Finally, someone who makes an argument stating the details as to how Insurance Works, not governement entitlement programs. Insurance against property and life is based on making whole again. If the property or life is not whole to begin with, how does insurance apply?

    Also, why does Washington need to reinvent the wheel when they already have all the mechanisims in place? Add provisions to Medicare for under 65 individuals. Stricter regulations and enforcement would go along way. Stop lawyers from raping the industry. It’s all there to “fix” the problem for a fraction of what this is actually going to cost EVERY TAXPAYER! When your car breaks down and you do not have the money to buy a new one you take it to a mechanic. In this case Washington is saying not only can we not afford a new car but, we’re going to buy the most expensive one we can find and figure out how to pay for it later. Oh, by the way, you and I are the ones paying that expensive car tha we do not need right now.

  • March 18, 2010 at 4:17 am
    Lawrence says:
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    You don’t want this bill. Fine. But what about it specifically don’t you like? Not some political talking points– what parts of it don’t you like and why? Do you like any of it?

  • March 18, 2010 at 4:22 am
    rw says:
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    not possible to be specific as there is no completed bill yet – if they just posted it – can’t read 2,300 plus pages.

  • March 18, 2010 at 4:23 am
    So easy a senator could do it says:
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    We all agree that health care needs to be reformed in this country. Here are the options that will not work (at least currently):

    – Do nothing
    – Overhaul everything (which is currently being proposed by Congress)

    We need to do this step by step and attack the issues that are most important now. We should not be overhauling the current system just to cover a minority of the population (in which half are here illegally w/ another proportion who choose not to have insurance). This puts the majority at risk. But still, costs are high; something must be done…

    First and foremost, we need to take a look at what is driving up the cost of health care (which is ultimately driving up the cost of insurance).

    This includes:

    – The cost of perscription drugs
    – Extremely high malpractice suit settlements (which lead doctors to run expensive and unneeded tests)
    – Free medical treatment for those who are not citizens and who live here illegally

    Some steps we can take initially:
    – Reforming our current medicaid/medicare system (not sure how, any suggestions?)
    – Allowing citizens to buy insurance accross state lines
    – Eliminating the insurer’s ability to refuse to cover someone w/ pre-existing conditions; but including some sort of time period in which the insured must purchase insurance (they would have to carry insurance for maybe a year or 6 months before that condition can be treated)

    Just some ideas. Any thoughts?

  • March 18, 2010 at 4:23 am
    Disgusted says:
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    Dear Stop the Insanity:

    I strongly support your right to speak up with your opinion. It is a healthy expression of your first amendment right.

    However, whenever you speak on behalf of anyone else, it is necessary for you to receive permission from the person you are speaking for.

    You do not have the right to speak for me or for anyone else without authorization.

    So no, you do not speak for any of the groups you mentioned even if they happen to agree with you. It is sad that you think you do.

  • March 18, 2010 at 5:10 am
    Stop the Insanity says:
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    Dear Disgusted:

    I wasn’t aware I needed to obtain the permission of the people in the Tea Party movement to express the same opinions they all hold. How would I go about getting such authorization from such a large group of people? I think Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh wouldn’t mind if I express the same opinion they hold and consider that they and I make a “we.” (Yes, I’m crazy enough to listen to and agree with them – Glenn Beck, too. Proud of it.) I am not a “spokesperson.” I am expressing an opinion that many people hold. How, pray tell, do I get their “authorization” to express the same opinion they hold? I’m not allowed to use the pronoun “we” when making a comment, just because not everyone belongs to the “we” to which I feel I belong? A bunch of people in the Tea Party movement have “we” on their signs when they are out protesting – maybe you should tell them they aren’t allowed to put “we” on their signs because they don’t “speak for everyone” and they don’t have everyone’s “authorization” to use that pronoun to express their opinion.

    Jerk. Now we’re down to parsing sent

  • March 18, 2010 at 5:15 am
    TX Agentman says:
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    I can only speak for myself, but the reason why I am so very much against this health INSURANCE reform and the bill is that it does not address the REASON why health insurance costs so much. Its like “My water bill is really high, lets just keep throwing money at it”. Will your water bill go down just because you keep paying your bill? No. You need to find out where the leak is and plug it up, THEN your bill will be lowered. It addresses the symptoms, not the cause. Once we get the cost of health care lowered, then we can tackle the issue of the uninsured next. They are trying to attack too many issues at once, and also going about it all the wrong way. Thats the problem I personally have with it, and I like to think many people agree.

  • March 18, 2010 at 5:19 am
    JB says:
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    My humble opinion, with which I believe the majority of our citizenry agrees: I would rather have the CHOICE of dealing (or not) with a greedy(?), criminal(?)organization like one of the aforementioned nefarious(?)insurance companies than be FORCED to either deal with the above or with an honest(?), altruistic(?), government bureaucracy – under threat of punishment.
    A couple of arguments (among many similar) in favor of government control and requirement(!) of health INSURANCE (read: health CARE – watch what you eat, drink, do…it could easily become punishable – no benefit comes without strings attached):
    Without health insurance I will not get health care and will die – False.
    Without health insurance I will lose my house – False.
    There seems to be much fear-mongering in an effort to garner support for the government having the authority over your health…ahem, insurance.
    So, if we carry the logic further: Since I must eat food or I will die (true!), then it must be a right and an entitlement, therefore the government should control the evil, profit-seeking farmers and grocery stores and give me the public option of getting my nourishment from the government. And, it would be illegal for me to go on a hunger strike, or eat the “wrong” foods, because “proper” nourishment would be mandated!
    All of this talk of budget projections, deficits, etc, is totally irrelevant and misses the essential point that this is really about freedom from government control over our daily lives.
    I, like many others, would rather face the dangers and risks of being a free citizen than to have those dangers minimized (you really think so?) or removed (oh sure, very likely?) in exchange for subjugation.

  • March 18, 2010 at 5:23 am
    Enlighten Me Please says:
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    I understand that Harry Reid put a provision in the Senate bill that this healthcare (let’s kill insurance companies) can NEVER be repealed. Anyone know anything about this tidbit?

  • March 18, 2010 at 5:37 am
    Looking to the past says:
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    I totally agree with you Easy. Alos I remember, in the past health insurance companies did insure applicants with pre-existing condition if there had been no treatment for 12 months. Why can’t they go back to that? This whole thing is not about healthcare It’s about eliminating insurance companies, and nothing else.

  • March 19, 2010 at 7:23 am
    Water Bug says:
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    Some Americans have either selective or short memories. Barry Obama has said publicly many times that he wants a single payer government run health insurance plan. His cronies in DC have echoed that desire over and over. These so called “reforms” we are about to suffer will kill the insurance industry unless we keep reminding the arrogant elitists in Washington that We The People call the shots.

  • March 19, 2010 at 8:12 am
    Rosie says:
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    Never mind the Party of No. People of genuine conscience appreciate your stellar efforts on behalf of all Americans!

  • March 19, 2010 at 8:22 am
    joan the underwriter says:
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    All those who believe the “talking points” about how wonderful this sham of “reform” will be. Stating that someone against it is “the party of no” or that they don’t have specifics they are against just prove how disconnected people are from facts and logic. This whole thing is about emotion and not logic. My favorite thing to hear is “we have to do something so this is better than nothing”. Really? If your house is on fire and the fire department comes and puts gasoline on it rather than water- you couldn’t really get mad, right? You would cheer them on and say that they were champions, right? I mean, at least they did SOMETHING. Well, the analogy stands as the same- Pelosi, Reid, Obama, and all the others for this sham are putting gasoline on a burning house. Nothing they have discussed changes the cost of healthcare, changes the care of healthcare, etc.

    Punishing insurance companies who have a profit of 3-5% is absolutely idiotic. Anyone (yes you- all of you agents making commissions and bonuses out there) that thinks that insurance companies are evil, greedy, etc should get out of the insurance business and stop getting paid for such a “horrible” industry.

  • March 19, 2010 at 9:23 am
    Fanucci says:
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    The health care bill is online, and I have read the first 500 pages. Under this bill if you do not accept the Government run helath care the Federal Government will fine you 2.5% of your income as a penalty. The bill also authorizes the Government to take out funds from personal accounts to cover costs as the Government sees fit. after reading the first 500 pages I had to stop because I was getting furious with the bill. Nobody in Congress has read the bill, and they are set to vote for a bill that nobody has bother to read. The bill is alomst 2500 pages.

  • March 19, 2010 at 9:46 am
    So easy a senator could do it says:
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    Rosie, like usual, you contribute nothing to the discussion. I have seen your posts on other articles and frankly… you are doing a horrible job of representing the party that you so blindly believe in.

    Please stop, at least to save yourself the embarassment.

  • March 19, 2010 at 12:14 pm
    Bob says:
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    Two questions for you –
    What are you on?
    and can I have some?

  • March 19, 2010 at 1:22 am
    joan the underwriter says:
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    The best part is that the President and many dems are saying that they “have to vote with their conscience” and they can’t worry about not getting re-elected. Interesting. They are supposed to be representing and voting on behalf of the people in their district/state. So, if they are going to lose their seat- they obviously are not representing the very people they were hired to represent.

    If the only way they can get this passed is by bullying, bribes, etc that should speak to the “want” of this bill. No one wants it, but it is being forced through. Horrible way to run a country. Unless your goal is to destroy it.

  • March 19, 2010 at 2:12 am
    Agent says:
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    Guaranteeing coverage for everyone and mandating coverage will not lower rates. Look at the system in Massachusetts. Have their rates decreased since mandating coverage? I agree the system has flaws and needs correcting but forced a bill through is not the answer. This bill does not address how to reduce healthcare spending. That is a behavior modification that needs to occur with everyone. A doctor’s visit does not cost $20, $30, or whatever your copay is. We as Americans need to be more consumer driven with our healthcare choices. This would not fix the entire system but would be a great place to start.

  • March 20, 2010 at 2:38 am
    to Nosey says:
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    Sure, Psychiatric Drugs & Fixed base of Alcohol, and some occasional Non-prescription drugs you can pick up almost anywhere.

    But, for the Psychiatric drug, you first need to be a Physician and understand the secondary use of such types of Drug(S). Not, move right in to your own 3rd version and so on, Right Crowley, of Health Net.

    My Viewpoints of underwriting for an Employer’s Medical Legal 104 Report for the Workers’ Compensation / HMO Carrier.

    NON-AGREED so called MEDICAL EXAM was a $ figure if I didn’t show up, by Cal-Comp Ins.

    Probably Dr. was Instructed by (S) to not report any pertinent facts, just go to nearest hospital concierge, act as a go-between for Lawyers and CEO’s, when liability judgment is not on-site, try Neighborhood: The Loop Glantz and Lawrence, what I hear Bill Frist…..he wants to go over this accusation of psychiatric injuries with me & State Farm Chicago again.

    It’s getting late here Frist & Rust.

    Just probably 1% of the corporate we don’t trust & have today, and I believe to get out of health care tomorrow.

    Would be a real up-grade, now wouldn’t it be if you learned on the other 99% to drop …..well maybe they’ll think I mean coverage.

  • March 19, 2010 at 4:25 am
    Rich McDonald says:
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    As long as I have been alive, I have seen not one Congressional program function as it should, and within its budget forecast.

    Keep in mind, this is the Congress of the United States, made up of mostly lawyers and people who lack business management skills. Keep in mind, the Social Security trust fund is missing $ 2.3 Trillion that was taken from it by a Congress, and that money will never be returned.

    Also, keep in mind, the passage of this bill (which should be written on Charmin so it can be properly applied) will result in every tax payer puting 3.8 years of revenue into this program BEFORE the first dime is due to be paid out to the people it is contrived to support.

    AS people who, should be able to read a complex contract, how can anyone one in the business of insurance construe this piece of legislation as anything that is helpful the population as a whole?

    This bill is punitive, this bill assumes powers not granted the Congress by the governed (we the people). Once placed into law, Harry Reid had the foresight to see to it that it cannot be ammended or repealed by future Congress’. It’s in the bill, and it will stay there. Read it for yourselves.

    That is the problem, sophisticated, knowledgable people have NOT read the bill. If EVERYONE in the insurance industry had read it, and understood how many will be unemployed as a direct result of implementation within 6 years, those people would support revolt at the polls.

    Vote every one of thes ebums out, and support state soverignty – it’s you only hope.

  • March 20, 2010 at 9:28 am
    Hog Wash'ers says:
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    George Strait – Easy Come, Easy Go

    Way **** State Farm Insurance & Tenet Health Care Inc.

  • March 20, 2010 at 10:35 am
    & UK too! says:
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    Keep in mind, this is the Congress of the United States, made up of mostly lawyers and people who lack business management skills. Keep in mind, the Social Security trust fund is missing $ 2.3 Trillion that was taken from it by a Congress, and that money will never be returned.

    Ok, JACK ***, if the input about the congress you oppressively over looked? is lacking mathematical skills you your self must have not gotten past the 3rd grade either.

    Thanks for pointing that out.

    Census points to a much broader spectrum too! Say lets do away with Insurance companies all together? Would not that be a scene at the Doctor’s office.

    Physicians’ who practice medicine and have C.E. Challanged their own professional skills over to the Industrial Medical Councils, or had none to begin with, and the IMC covers for their purposeful blindsite over patient care.

    Given a choice of physicians’ [stress Physcian’s], now that would be a battle of strength and perhaps weed out the those “good” private entity Doctor’s as-well. Current Annual ICD-9 code round-up offers medical slang! Desirable? Got to pick up Health Net peramiters on that one too.

    characteristic or factor; aspect; element: a useful parameter for judging long-term success.

  • March 22, 2010 at 10:39 am
    I Hate Republitards says:
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    so will the sky fall like so many chicken little Republicans have predicted with their scare tactics now that the “government takeover” of health care is passed? It will be interesting to see what happens…

  • March 22, 2010 at 11:04 am
    Water Bug says:
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    OK Hate, If this monstrosity is not repealed it will go the way that ALL government health care plans have gone all over the world. It will cripple the economy and reduce the USA to the level of a third world nation.

    BTW, this is not a Democrat vs Republican issue. Both parties have mismanaged the economy and have passed ill advised legislation that already has left us broke. The health care monstrosity does nothing to curb the cost of healthcare but rather makes even more costly care available to even more people.

    The lib weenies will soon pay the price.

  • March 23, 2010 at 5:30 am
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    I keep reading the articles that say the Health Care Reform will cut the budget over 100 billion dollars in the next decade, and yet in the next paragraph states it will cost over 900 billion dollars over the next decade. No one ever explains how spending 900 billion more will cut the deficit.

    Basic math tells me that if I owe 12 trillion and I spend another 900 billion, I’m not going to cut the deficit, I’m going to increase it. And let’s say we implement a 100 billion in cuts somewhere, we’re still 800 billion down.

    Explain please.

  • March 23, 2010 at 9:19 am
    Fanucci says:
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    The Congress used the CBO prelimanry estimates for passing the the health care reform bill. This bill will not reduce the national debt. This bill does not state how to pay for it. All this bill does is state the changes, and each state will have to increase their spending to pay for. Which means that both state and federal taxes will increase to pay for this bill. The entire premise is based upon getting new taxes passed. The Congress has no idea about basic math. A first grader could figure this out and say ” it will cost to much.”



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