Congress Approves Final Healthcare Bill Changes

By | March 26, 2010

  • March 26, 2010 at 8:45 am
    Clayton Lee says:
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    Have you ever noticed that when left wingers have something to say that they simply do not spell well? You may be wasting your time trying to explain to them that “hope and change” means transforming America into a European style socialist state. That is working so well for them that Greece and others are on the verge of going bankrupt. Leave it to Socialists to fail to learn from history. Be it National Socialists in Germany or Communists in Russia, they never learn. Just resolve to keep faith with the origional vision of the Founders to create a free country in a New World and vote and throw them out in November.

  • March 26, 2010 at 12:54 pm
    Ric says:
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    Was that a dare, or a full blown triple dog dare? The whole thing has been about as rediculous as sticking your tongue to a frozen flag pole. I wonder how many small businesses will tell the Feds “The fine is only $2500 per employee to drop their health plan? Where do I send the check? It’s cheaper than coughing up the premium to continue!”

  • March 26, 2010 at 12:55 pm
    Nugget says:
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    Serious Question- Can someone explain what Mr. Gibbs was talking about in the last quote in the article?

    Second Question- Does anyone know when Reuters is going to rebrand themselves as Pravda?

  • March 26, 2010 at 1:03 am
    Jim S says:
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    I’m sure he was referring to the loss of tax deduction on the Retiree Rx subsidy.

  • March 26, 2010 at 1:10 am
    Mike N says:
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    At this point, the only way I see this playing out is civil war. And, it is yet another one brought on by the national social democrats. Last time, the democrats wanted to protect slavery. This time, they are trying to shove socialism down the throats fothe populace. Lock and load time.

  • March 26, 2010 at 1:11 am
    KEN says:
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    The only people who oppose this initiative are the wealthy who can afford expensive medical insurance and don’t give a damn about their fellow man. It is immoral for someone to lose everything they have just because they become ill and have to pay their medical bills. There is a new sheriff in town, so get ready you greedy, selfish pigs.

  • March 26, 2010 at 1:13 am
    Uh Oh says:
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    Are the states still going to fight the part where Americans are now being forced to purchase health insurance or pay a fine?

    I hope the states don’t back down on this issue.

    Also, what do you think is going to happen in the next year, 10 years, and 20 years? Are we going to be better off as a whole? What do you think?

  • March 26, 2010 at 1:16 am
    Uh Oh says:
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    whoa now Ken. I am not wealthy and I oppose this bill.

    I agree that we need to help those that cannot provide for themselves, but at what cost? I thought freedom is more important. This is the land of the free right?

  • March 26, 2010 at 1:16 am
    m & m says:
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    Sorry Ken, you evidently have no idea how insurance or the free market system work. And no, I’m not wealthy. I barely pay my bills but I DO pay them, and if I don’t have enough to pay them, then I work another job, or 2 or 3…. The point is take care of it yourself. Personal Responsibility!!!! My health insurance went up 20% last year and my deductible increased to $2,000. a year. I still consider myself lucky to have it. And yes I pay for it MYSELF!! Evidently you like the government taking care of you but I can take care of myself with God’s help.
    People like you are the reason this stupid thing passed anyway. You don’t have a CLUE.

  • March 26, 2010 at 1:17 am
    Nugget says:
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    How many Americans realize that all their income is already subject to a total effective tax rate of 2.9% for Medicare?

    How many Americans realize that the first $106,800 of their income is subject to a total effective tax rate of 12.4% for Social Security?

    This means the vast majority of Americans are subject to an effective income tax rate of 15.3% and that’s even before counting what is termed “income taxes.”

    That’s the real cost to each of us of federally mandated benefit programs.

    Here’s another-
    When your employer has to pay more taxes or pay for mandated healthcare to employ you, they have to start making decisions:

    In order to stay in business they have to pay you less (or get rid of you) and charge customers more- that drives down wages and drives up costs for all of us.

  • March 26, 2010 at 1:17 am
    Justamom says:
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    I am not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination and yet I OPPOSE this initiative with every fiber of my being. We are a family of four with one in college and one in highschool living on $80,000 a year. (that’s with 3 incomes). We do have decent healthcare now through our employer and they already cover our dependents up to age 25 in or out of school. But we do pay our fair share for it. If this continues, the company will not pay their part at all and then I lose what I have now.

    Just send the “new sheriff” to Texas and I bet we can handle it here.

  • March 26, 2010 at 1:21 am
    Sarah says:
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    Vote them out this November and the communist dictator out in 2012.

  • March 26, 2010 at 1:27 am
    Uh Oh says:
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    It makes me happy to see America’s patriotic spirit awaken. I guess that is one positive thing that has happened in all of this mess.

    Obama and his congress are not good for this country. People, if you agree with me, please, this November, vote for those who will to weaken the govt’s grasp on us.

    Remember why America was established in the first place (high taxes; taxation w/out representation). You are free citizens. You don’t have to submit to this. You hold the power!

  • March 26, 2010 at 1:27 am
    Fed Up says:
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    The fine is exactly what the government wants to make sure we are all dependent on the government. They don’t want the employers/employees to keep their own.

  • March 26, 2010 at 1:30 am
    Fed up says:
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    There are very few that are in such dire straits other than illegal immigrants; hospitals,organizations etc have funds available to help those that need it. We have a young mother that has breast cancer with no insurance; the hospital referred her to several associations for those w/o insurance. She is able to have everything paid for!!! Just takes a little time and work rather than have it handed to you.

  • March 26, 2010 at 1:34 am
    Fed up to Sarah says:
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    The website for the tea party lets you send a pink slip to the House members and
    a copy to the White House. If we could flood their offices with these pink slips, maybe they would realize there are alot of us against this whole mess and we are not going to go away no matter how much propaganda Obama spreads on his little tour around the country.

  • March 26, 2010 at 1:38 am
    Uh Oh says:
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    I want to hear from those who truly support the gov’t fining us if we don’t buy health insurance. Are you really okay with this and do you trust that the gov’t has your best interests in mind?

    Please explain… because I am missing how this part of the bill works for us. Please convince me so I don’t feel like the gov’t is letting us down.

  • March 26, 2010 at 1:49 am
    Mike N read your history says:
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    Mikey: Such big talk from a guy who gets to remain anonymous. If you are so geared up for “war” why hide behind your posts?
    I suggest you read up on Nazi Germany and the Brown Shirts and compare that history with your chicken sh@@ point of view. Compare the actions of the Brown Shirts to the recent vandalism done to the offices of some of the folks in congress who voted for this bill. Congressman stupak, an ardent opponnent of abortion has even been threatened as well as his family. The lunatic fringe does not even know who they are attacking. They just want to attack something. Mikey, read up on this bill. You will find it less reliant on raw socialism than Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. The new bill is more of a boon to the private health insurance industry than it is an expansion of socialism. Chill out on the violent imagery d### head and read a book.

  • March 26, 2010 at 1:54 am
    Uh Oh says:
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    I agree with you that civil war is a bit of an overstretch.

    But you can’t deny that the gov’t is gaining a lot of control with this bill. Also, they are forcing you buy something. This somewhat resembles socialist ideals.

    I just wanted to put that out there.

  • March 26, 2010 at 2:01 am
    TEXAS AGENT says:
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    I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE TO HELP THE POOR, UNINSURED……IT’S THE COUNTY HOSPITAL WHERE IF YOU CAN PAY SOME, THAT’S OK, IF YOU CAN PAY NOTHING, THEN THAT’S ALSO OK. MY YEARLY TAX PAY HAS A LINE-ITEM FOR COUNTY HOSPITAL.
    CHECK YOUR TAXES TO SEE IF YOU TOO ARE ALREADY BEING TAXED TO HELP THE POOR, UNINSURED!!!
    I JUST DO NOT WANT THE GOV’T TO TELL ME WHAT I CAN AND CAN NOT DO FOR EVERYTHING: TAX FOR ALL TYPES OF LICENSES, GAS TAX, ETC. I AM TAXED TO DEATH AS A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER!!!!!

  • March 26, 2010 at 2:34 am
    Fed Up says:
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    And don’t think it might not be some of the left wing idiots doing the vandalizing. These are nuts plain and simple and are not a true example of those opposing.

  • March 26, 2010 at 3:12 am
    Fed up? says:
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    Sure, fed up. And I have a bridge I’d like to seel you. I don’t see any footage of the left-wing nuts that you speak of burning the President in effigy, nor have we seen any national figures blogging that it is time to “reload” like Sarah Palin has. It just shows you will believe anything.

  • March 26, 2010 at 3:22 am
    Think, insurance people! says:
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    It’s called “The law of large numbers”. With all the insurance people on this site, you would think someone would pick that up. It is also doubtful that any state suit will overturn this. This is interstate commerce. You will not see the Judicial branch creating a block to Congress’ ability to affect interstate commerce. This populist stuff is getting rediculous.

  • March 26, 2010 at 3:27 am
    Patriot says:
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    You are absolutely right..we don’t see the left burning Obama in effigy. However we did see them doing that to Bush. Don’t act like both sides don’t do this when something happens and they don’t agree.

  • March 26, 2010 at 3:43 am
    matt says:
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    I listened to a bit of conservative talk radio on WBAP the past couple of days. It’s been years. I was actually pretty shocked by the tone of the rhetoric.

    They had some Mark guy on (not Mark Davis) that was a total loon. He actually claimed the liberal agenda’s ultimate goal is the total destruction of civil society. Used really hateful, mean, spiteful language to describe basically anyone who didn’t agree with his loony bin ideals. He made really sweeping generalizations and accusations but offered nothing of substance.

    Rush Limbaugh made fun of Barney Frank for being gay and played “Dancing Queen” with the word “banking” dubbed over “dancing”.

    Mark Davis sounded a lot crazier than I remembered him being and claimed Obama had “the ego of a dictator” before discussing with a called about how Obama’s end goal is to destroy America.

    It made me wonder, why the vitriol? Why the unbridled hatred for a figure who in reality is pretty populist and centrist? They talk about the bailout, the deficit, the entitlement programs, etc and blame it all on Obama like he’s some sort of Lenin figure.

    Did anyone listen to conservative talk radio during Bush? Did they have similar hatred and use similar verbiage against the GOP when the GOP passed Medicare Part D, the Patriot Act I or II, when *Bush & the GOP* bailed out Wall Street, etc?

    From the perspective of a non-republican, non-democrat that sees little difference between the policies enacted by the two parties in the last 20 years, this is a new and scary trend. It’s almost like the conservative talking heads are deliberately stoking the flames of this hatred– the people they have calling in sounded genuinely angry, furious, but also like they’re not even sure what to be mad at (so they lash out at the “bogeymen” created by the Limbaughs of the world).

    When did the GOP get so angry and violent? And how can they claim so assuredly to represent “the American people”? Last I checked, the American people voted, and they voted in a Democratic president, senate and congress. How come the GOP will not / can not accept the results of the election and move forward?

  • March 26, 2010 at 4:26 am
    TX Agentman says:
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    No, conservitive news did not bash Bush at all. The news networks that were liberal did that. Are there liberal news networks that as currently bashing Obama? No. Why would you bash someone that you agree with? Both parties are guilty of bashing each other mercilessly. No one is spared. Both sides are hypicritical at times. I remember Bush addressed the House back in 07 or 08, and right when he was done, Pelosi started bashing him and tearing him down. As for the American People elected Obama, true. But the American People voted in Bush twice, yet that didn’t stop people from complaining about him. Its the American people’s right to bash and sometimes even hate who is in power. Thats the great thing about America, free speech.

  • March 26, 2010 at 5:37 am
    Bob says:
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    What you forget is why are they so heated up?

    The democrats maintain a consistent reason behind getting people fired up, and no, it’s not the same as republican’s reasonings.

    This particular time they got your fired up about Fannie Mae Freddie Mac. A company which exists due to the democrats creating them. Those companies caused the collapse. Yet Bush who tried to reform them in 2003, 2005, with Mc Cain was pinned with the fall out. Why? So they could take over the financial institution (Banks)

    Insurance reform: The big bad insurance company must be out to get you? Well let us take over the insurance industry.

    The auto industry fell apart due to the financial system falling apart? Let us take over the auto industry.

    The real estate industry collapsed from our woes we put in place with loans? Let us take them over too.

    So in essence they have intentions of and have made movements to take over:

    Insurance
    Healthcare
    Real Estate
    Financial Institutions
    Auto industry

    AND they insist they need more money to do it (Tax expenditures rather than revenues)

    And let me get this straight, when the republicans state Obama is ruining the country or is a dictator, they are supposedly incorrect because the people voted under the lies of a dictator?

    Is that correct? The republicans don’t accept they lost becuase that’s what you do when an evil dictator comes in: You fight it. You fight for truth.

    The democrats had over a 40 year majority, which was started by a man who took majority, burned down crops to increase the value of food, shut down radio agencies that said anything bad about him, and in essence was 10 times worse than Bush. Who was this man? FDR. That’s right. FDR.

    A mad man like FDR is looked at in a positive light. Slavery which was undone by republicans, affirmative action which was put in place by republicans, the right to vote which was pushed through by republicans, and yet:

    A majority of women and black vote democrat. Their rights were given to them by a party which they hate.

    Do you see the parallel? Voting majority does not mean the public knows jack on who they voted for.

    The fact that the democrats have managed to take over everything, as well as blame their slavery and women battles on republicans like Senator Harry Reid did recently in a comparison to get aid for the health care bill, is down right insane.

    Republicans are like the battered wife. They are sick of it. And you should be more supportive of the battered wife.

    *nods head* ’nuff said.

  • March 26, 2010 at 6:08 am
    Dave says:
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    Don’t you ever forget this had nothing to do with health care or the cost of health.

    It is the take over of the health insurance industry by the government financied by other peoples money. Also it is a “means to control the public” Demo words not mine. The people who receive nothing from this bill except increased cost of production are the ones who pay for it. Government gone wild.

  • March 28, 2010 at 10:10 am
    Dave says:
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    Hello – I was on a long drive last weekend and heard a couple of folks debating the healthcare issue. The took a fairly middleground approach, focusing on the negatives, but also highlighting some positives, so they came off as reasonable. They cited a two page summary, available on this web site, as a good overview – but I cannot find it. Can anyone point me to the link or area on the site? Thanks.

  • March 28, 2010 at 4:35 am
    Maurice Mouton says:
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    The way to solve this problem is simple. Demand and expect that this new health program will apply first to President Barack Obama, then to House Speaker Nancy Pellosi, next to Democrat Harry Reid. I know my spelling may be off but my intentions are clear. If they don’t think enough of the program to get on board then they ought to be impreached. If they think it is good enough for you and I then they should except it for themselves. This would be a way to solve this problem before the end of the year. Help me get this rolling.

  • March 29, 2010 at 8:39 am
    Sarah says:
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    Matt, you are the loon! Yes, Barney Fwank should quit his postion in congress as he is unfit to hold that office for many reason. All of the vitriol language didnt bother you when it was progressive idiots who never worked a day in the private sector calling for the assasination of George Bush in 2 different movies.

    Matt, your understanding of this situation is scewed at best and intellectually dishonest if you think that the the rhetoric displayed by Tea Partiers is worse than the antiwar crowd that yelled profanity at the last real President we had. Get a grip dude.

  • March 29, 2010 at 8:43 am
    Sarah says:
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    Amen Brother! Well said.

  • March 29, 2010 at 9:48 am
    Fed up says:
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    Sending pink slips to all of them won’t make them realize we’re not going to go away. If the Town Halls, letters, faxes, phone calls, Tea Party rallies, and the rallies in Washington didn’t accomplish that, merely sending them pink slips won’t either. The only way to make them realize we won’t go away, is to make THEM go away when we vote them all out in November.



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