I thought Boeing paid good wages, but most of those arrested were dealing and not using so I guess they were supplementing their income. They should also bust Chrysler who has people using drugs and drinking while on the job. Doesn’t inspire confidence in the product when people are caught doing these kinds of things. In Boeing’s case, they are building military aircraft so our young pilot’s lives may be in jeopardy if one of these druggies didn’t do their job right because they were hyped up.
When are these politicians going to get that creating a war on drugs is such a failed policy. The current war on drugs has cost us far more than both the Afgan and Iraq war. How many people are sitting in joil for drug crimes, both directly or indirectly. I bet that number is well above 50%. What a total joke.
I’m glad the government is looking into this. There are more people than that 2.7% number that are abusing pain killers in this country. I could name a whole bunch of people, but it doesn’t matter because it’s LEGAL. I think all pain and deabilitating medicine should be taken off the market. If you are in a nursing home or hospital that should be the only place you can take it. I know of a child killed in a cross walk by someone taking a prescribed pain pill. They shouldn’t have been driving, but when you’re feeling that good, you don’t care! Yes, you can say, but their in jail so they are getting what they deserved, but tell that to the parents of the dead child. Yes, they can get illegal drugs if they want them, but most people that fall victim are the ones that had no intention of abusing. They wouldn’t have gone out and went after herion, but the doc prescribing some pain pills and all of a sudden, hey this isn’t too bad. I also think doctors should be found guilty if their patient abuses and kills someone. I’m hoping Michael Jackson’s doctor goes down. Show the medical community you aren’t Gods.
Spoken like somebody who does not live with chronic pain on a daily basis.
The problem isn’t with the medications. There is nothing inherently wrong with a substance used to alleviate pain. The problem is with people who take them improperly, especially when they have no need or business taking them.
All of us, and yes I said all of us as human beings have an addiction. Be it to coffee, soda, food, tv, video games, drugs, it’s there. The sad thing is, you get innocent people that take a pill and are like, wow, I feel good inside and the next thing you know they are addicted. Yes, it would be easy to say, grow up and be an adult and don’t get addicted, but the reality is it happens. Like I said we are all addicted to something.
In regards to pain and hoping there will be a drug available if you get chronic pain, what do you think people did before the oxycontin? They lived with it. Drug addicts will, trust me I’ve heard the excuses, state they have chronic pain. Bullcrap. I have pain in lower back almost on a daily basis. I don’t want to do drugs so I live with it. So if you use the excuse “chronic pain” then that means you are a drug addict trying to cover up your addiction. It’s funny when a drug addict can’t get the drugs on how they live with the pain and do all the same things we all do on a daily basis, then when the pills are available, “Oh my chronic pain.”
Extending the War on Drugs to a War on Doctors is folly. Pain management is a viable and necessary method of treatment for some ailments. A chilling effect on doctor prescriptions is misguided at best and probably dangerous.
Baxtor I really hope opinions like yours don’t prevail. And if they do- if you let politicians successfully demonize doctors for short-term political gain- then I really pray you don’t end up with something like bone cancer. I’d love to see you just try and “live with it.” Crippling, unbearable pain deep in your bones that makes death look like glorious relief. But of course we’ve allowed politicians to take away our own right to say when “enough is enough” too. I’m sure you’d be against a person’s right for euthanasia just like you’re against patients’ rights and doctor/patient privacy rights.
Baxtor, my heart goes out to any family that loses a child, but limiting pain medication to nursing homes is not the answer. That’s a punish the masses for the sins of a few attitude. I’m fortunate – I don’t take any prescription drugs, but I would hope that, if I needed them, they would be there for me. I agree that the war on drugs isn’t working. I also believe marijuana should be legal – something else I don’t use.
The key to your comment is the “Masses.” The masses have stepped forward because they can get high legally and have insurance pay for the high. Trust me, I know from personal experience with prescription drug abusers. They will tell a doctor that they are in so much pain and a doctor can’t verify the intensity. They then get their drugs. Ask a good doctor their view on pain centers. They agree that they are legalized drug dealers. I’ve talked to my family doctor about it. It’s funny on how much “more” pain people have then years ago. Same thing with kids being given Riddelin (sp?) and other drugs. It’s a copout.
Baxtor I have a friend that gets regular injections and has his back destroyed from years of hard work as millwrights. I have another friend whose back was obliterated in a not-at-fault car accident– turns out he was hit by a drunk driver (you know that other legal drug). These guys are in terrible pain and they deserve to be able to treat it in the manner of their choosing. That is freedom.
I have another friend who stole friends’ insurance info and a doctor ID info and started writing himself scripts at various pharmacies. He was caught and convicted of various felonies.
You can’t lump these people into one basket. These are important drugs that a lot of people count on. Yes, a lot of people also abuse these same drugs. That is the cost of freedom. It’s just like freedom of speech– your own freedom to speak means you must tolerate the unpopular speech of others.
There is a culture of mainstream drug use in the form of caffeine as a work time stimulant and ethanol(alcohol) as an after work depressant(or relaxant). This drug use does not always cause problems. Sometimes other types drug use don’t cause problems. And this use can’t be honestly called abuse and/or addiction. It would be useful for authorities to acknowledge this reality, even if they are stressing the very real dangers of the use and abuse of drugs.
Alcohol and tobacco routinely rank far above illegal substances in terms of both risk of addiction and risk of physical harm. Tobacco use causes more deaths in America than car crashes, drugs, terrorism, and murder combined. The government’s war has nothing to do with risks to or wellbeing of the public.
I thought Boeing paid good wages, but most of those arrested were dealing and not using so I guess they were supplementing their income. They should also bust Chrysler who has people using drugs and drinking while on the job. Doesn’t inspire confidence in the product when people are caught doing these kinds of things. In Boeing’s case, they are building military aircraft so our young pilot’s lives may be in jeopardy if one of these druggies didn’t do their job right because they were hyped up.
When are these politicians going to get that creating a war on drugs is such a failed policy. The current war on drugs has cost us far more than both the Afgan and Iraq war. How many people are sitting in joil for drug crimes, both directly or indirectly. I bet that number is well above 50%. What a total joke.
I’m glad the government is looking into this. There are more people than that 2.7% number that are abusing pain killers in this country. I could name a whole bunch of people, but it doesn’t matter because it’s LEGAL. I think all pain and deabilitating medicine should be taken off the market. If you are in a nursing home or hospital that should be the only place you can take it. I know of a child killed in a cross walk by someone taking a prescribed pain pill. They shouldn’t have been driving, but when you’re feeling that good, you don’t care! Yes, you can say, but their in jail so they are getting what they deserved, but tell that to the parents of the dead child. Yes, they can get illegal drugs if they want them, but most people that fall victim are the ones that had no intention of abusing. They wouldn’t have gone out and went after herion, but the doc prescribing some pain pills and all of a sudden, hey this isn’t too bad. I also think doctors should be found guilty if their patient abuses and kills someone. I’m hoping Michael Jackson’s doctor goes down. Show the medical community you aren’t Gods.
Spoken like somebody who does not live with chronic pain on a daily basis.
The problem isn’t with the medications. There is nothing inherently wrong with a substance used to alleviate pain. The problem is with people who take them improperly, especially when they have no need or business taking them.
All of us, and yes I said all of us as human beings have an addiction. Be it to coffee, soda, food, tv, video games, drugs, it’s there. The sad thing is, you get innocent people that take a pill and are like, wow, I feel good inside and the next thing you know they are addicted. Yes, it would be easy to say, grow up and be an adult and don’t get addicted, but the reality is it happens. Like I said we are all addicted to something.
In regards to pain and hoping there will be a drug available if you get chronic pain, what do you think people did before the oxycontin? They lived with it. Drug addicts will, trust me I’ve heard the excuses, state they have chronic pain. Bullcrap. I have pain in lower back almost on a daily basis. I don’t want to do drugs so I live with it. So if you use the excuse “chronic pain” then that means you are a drug addict trying to cover up your addiction. It’s funny when a drug addict can’t get the drugs on how they live with the pain and do all the same things we all do on a daily basis, then when the pills are available, “Oh my chronic pain.”
Extending the War on Drugs to a War on Doctors is folly. Pain management is a viable and necessary method of treatment for some ailments. A chilling effect on doctor prescriptions is misguided at best and probably dangerous.
Baxtor I really hope opinions like yours don’t prevail. And if they do- if you let politicians successfully demonize doctors for short-term political gain- then I really pray you don’t end up with something like bone cancer. I’d love to see you just try and “live with it.” Crippling, unbearable pain deep in your bones that makes death look like glorious relief. But of course we’ve allowed politicians to take away our own right to say when “enough is enough” too. I’m sure you’d be against a person’s right for euthanasia just like you’re against patients’ rights and doctor/patient privacy rights.
Baxtor, my heart goes out to any family that loses a child, but limiting pain medication to nursing homes is not the answer. That’s a punish the masses for the sins of a few attitude. I’m fortunate – I don’t take any prescription drugs, but I would hope that, if I needed them, they would be there for me. I agree that the war on drugs isn’t working. I also believe marijuana should be legal – something else I don’t use.
The key to your comment is the “Masses.” The masses have stepped forward because they can get high legally and have insurance pay for the high. Trust me, I know from personal experience with prescription drug abusers. They will tell a doctor that they are in so much pain and a doctor can’t verify the intensity. They then get their drugs. Ask a good doctor their view on pain centers. They agree that they are legalized drug dealers. I’ve talked to my family doctor about it. It’s funny on how much “more” pain people have then years ago. Same thing with kids being given Riddelin (sp?) and other drugs. It’s a copout.
Baxtor I have a friend that gets regular injections and has his back destroyed from years of hard work as millwrights. I have another friend whose back was obliterated in a not-at-fault car accident– turns out he was hit by a drunk driver (you know that other legal drug). These guys are in terrible pain and they deserve to be able to treat it in the manner of their choosing. That is freedom.
I have another friend who stole friends’ insurance info and a doctor ID info and started writing himself scripts at various pharmacies. He was caught and convicted of various felonies.
You can’t lump these people into one basket. These are important drugs that a lot of people count on. Yes, a lot of people also abuse these same drugs. That is the cost of freedom. It’s just like freedom of speech– your own freedom to speak means you must tolerate the unpopular speech of others.
There is a culture of mainstream drug use in the form of caffeine as a work time stimulant and ethanol(alcohol) as an after work depressant(or relaxant). This drug use does not always cause problems. Sometimes other types drug use don’t cause problems. And this use can’t be honestly called abuse and/or addiction. It would be useful for authorities to acknowledge this reality, even if they are stressing the very real dangers of the use and abuse of drugs.
Alcohol and tobacco routinely rank far above illegal substances in terms of both risk of addiction and risk of physical harm. Tobacco use causes more deaths in America than car crashes, drugs, terrorism, and murder combined. The government’s war has nothing to do with risks to or wellbeing of the public.
Ya think?