Dont be an Obamazombie! Vote – Mit Romney and repeal and replace!
Only an idiot would vote for Obama after his dismal record on getting things fixed and moving forward. If you vote for Obama it will be “Forward” off a cliff.
Sarah, I am sure Libby & Planet will try to spin this and again call for the rich to pay their “fair” share. I remember well when the President came out and said that the Middle Class would not see one red cent increase on their taxes if they were below $200,000. This bill is rife with additional taxes that will hurt the Middle Class. This is just another example of Trickle up Poverty which is destroying the middle class. This country has a dismal future if this guy gets back in.
Agent, I only asked that loopholes and sheltering be taken away from the rich so they pay their share on 100% of their income. I believe you agreed with me on that point.
I certainly did not agree that this government should raise taxes on the Middle Class Libby and that is what this bill is doing to 6 million plus Middle Class citizens. I did agree that the whole tax code needs to be thrown out and the country should go to a fair or flat tax and everyone have skin in the game. It is pretty hard to reconcile tax issues when a Healthcare bill has all these additional taxes built into it that have nothing to do with Federal Income Tax.
Libby, I am sure you are enthralled with Biden’s last statement that Obama/Biden were going to raise taxes $1 Trillion after they are re-elected. That ought to make the people feel all warm and fuzzy about their financial prospects in an already dismal economy. I want to see him defend that when he debates Ryan. With Axelrod as his coach, the spin will be spewing I’m sure.
September 24, 2012 at 3:42 pm
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Like the one OBAma took advantage of here in IL on the purschase of the vacant lot / dwelling using a Convicted Felon 9Rezco) to execute the purchase? The loop hole he took advantage of to dodge his share of proerty taxes? Sound to me like he is part of the very “problem” you want to do away with. Our president does it, why shouldn’t I?
Watch Fox much? Are they still peddling that crap? How long have you believed Elvis is still alive?
September 26, 2012 at 8:38 pm
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That was on every news outlet in the Local Chicago Market. CBS, ABC, NBC,FOX,WGN, The Tribune, the Suntimes – every single one.
No, they are not. Just thought people that think hes an Honest & Noble person should be reminded.
October 12, 2012 at 3:39 pm
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ACtually Comrade the Tony Resko real estate deal was not on Fox. But if you take the time to look into the deal, you do find it was a very shady deal, sorry creative deal. Of course Obama is immuned from any questions and incapable of telling the truth.
Just as he demonizes Romney, has his surrogates call Romney a “Liar”, but pretends to be for the Middle Class. Then we find out in this article, the Middle Class will be “taxed” out the whazoo under the Affordable Care Act. So Obama can’t be honest, but uses carefully crafted buzz words to appear to care.
September 26, 2012 at 7:07 pm
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Tax sheltering won’t be needed, when we have a tax rate here that is competitive with other countries.
You want sheltering over, we need to not have the highest tax rate in the world.
We’ve been over that what companies do is deduct their foreign tax rates from their U.S. payable taxes to pay less here. Overall, they do pay a considerable amount even with that deduction.
When that owner brings the money into his personal pocket, he does pay 100% of the normal taxes. He keeps it invested overseas for it to grow. The growth is taxed at perfectly fair rates. Overall, they pay plenty. Just not in the U.S. So let’s stop with the “fair share” arguement, and admit what we need to do is have people have a reason to invest here rather than over seas.
Again, investment income is different than income income. If they are investing over seas, it is for one reason and one reason only: Our taxes are too high.
Canada has a corporate tax rate at nearly 10% and brings in more corporate revenues as a percentage of GDP. Emotionally and philosophically you are flamed up, now let’s think practically.
Well said Einstein. Did you know there was an app on iphone 5 so people can study your brain cells? It is too bad the Progressive crowd doesn’t have the sense to see the error of their beliefs. They have a mental disease and there apparently is no cure. Even if their guy loses, they will be railing away at Capitalism, free market and individual liberty and the pursuit of happiness. These are very unhappy people who like to lie, grumble, complain about their lot in life and attack anyone who has been successful and accomplished the American Dream.
HOW MUCH WILL BE PAID BY THOSE WITH NO INCOME AND AS A RESULT DO NOT FILE ? I FOR ONE WAS TOLD BY MY FATHER YEARS AGO “ONLY COUNT ON WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOURSELF”. NOW i MUST ADD AND WATCH OUT FOR WHAT OTHERS CAN DO TO YOU.
Why worry about the tax penalty when they haven’t even prepared an agency or means to collect or enforce the tax? The assumption that the IRS is happy to add the enforcement to income tax regulations may be a costly as this is not an “income tax”. Yet another step in the process that wasn’t thought through.
Wow, yet another forum to argue what seems to be obvious. A law that was no supposed to increase taxxes is increasing taxxes. Govt intrusion into private business increasing cost to every hard working Joe American.
Just look at what the uninsured are doing to our hospitals.. everyone must purchase health insurance or we tax payers will continue to pay for people who feel “entitled” to be free loaders. Mitt implemented mandatory healthcare here in MA and it is working. He has no plans for healthcare if he becomes president. He says one thing and Ryan says another… between them we don’t have any idea what they will offer Americans. Go Obamacare….insure America.
Nan, your post makes as much sense as some of Libby’s which is not much. Can you defend your President on his promise not to raise taxes on the middle class or is this just an example of the dozens of promises this President made to get elected? The Middle Class definitely doesn’t need any tax hikes in this economy. There are at least 7 new taxes built into Obamacare affecting the Middle Class. We don’t like being taxed to death in this country. That is why we need a change at the top and the Senate so we can get this country moving again. Repeal and Replace.
And I resent your comment that I don’t make any sense. Just because you don’t agree with me doesn’t mean I am nonsensical. That was rude and uncalled for.
How about you defending your President when he promised not to raise taxes on the Middle Class one red cent? Is this article not self evident? Sarah and Bob have given you chapter and verse on all the new taxes in this bill on several occasions in prior blogs. You choose to let it go in one ear and out the other. Your Tax and Spend President is running this country into the ground and somehow you think he is “Noble” and “Honest”. Your posts are nonsense since you just can’t see the light.
No one wants to hear the truth, that Mitt has a similar plan in place in MA. Once Obama has his name attached to it, its a big problem. Agent is obviously all knowing since he has to comment on every other post following this article. Libby you are making sense to me, I think a lot of people are blinded by their ignorance as to what Obama has and has not done in his presidency. I will cast my vote and no matter what anyone says or thinks will not change it. So bring it on!
Romney implemented mandatory healthcare in MA and it’s working…but you’re still an Obama fan?? That DOESN’T make any sense!
Obama’s broken campaign promises: No increase in taxes on the Middle Class. He’d close Gitmo. He’d bring home all our troups wihtin 2 years. He’d lower our debt.
Obama’s biggest embarassments: Invites leader of the Muslim Brotherhood to the White House. The first President not to visit Israel ONCE. Snubs Netanyahu. Goes to Vegas while our embassy is literally burning in Libya. Refers to those attacks and 4 dead citizens as a “bump in the road”. Tells millions of small business owners “You didn’t build that”. Fast and Furious. NDAA. Bill Ayres. The list goes on and on.
No one who’s been paying attention could vote for this clown in good conscience.
I would be glad to purchase insurance if I could afford the price. My husband had to retire do to an injury,so there went our insurance. The cost of the Cobra was 1200 per month. Impossible to pay that, only if I sold my home, cars and did not eat, lived under a cliff somewhere and had no need for clothes.
I’m sorry to hear that, Brenda. It is so hard for me to fathom that people, AMERICAN people, are falling for the lies and distortions that this president is dishing out. I hope the best for you and your family and Godspeed to your husband.
Brenda, I am sorry to hear about your trouble. It didn’t have to be this way on Healthcare Reform. The President has now lumped in 7 new taxes that will hit the Middle Class which I assume fits you. How will that help your circumstances? Perhaps if we had done a true reform and put Tort Reform, allowing companies to sell across state lines and create a competitive market, you would have been able to afford coverage. Instead, we have continual rising prices because the companies know what they are facing down the road.
You won’t find any that hit the “middle class” except the one that will apply if you choose not to purchase health insurance. You google it, RT.
September 25, 2012 at 1:03 pm
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Let’s start with the very first promise Obama made when he took the Oval Office. He swore to uphold the laws and Constitution of the US. Instead, he spent our tax dollars suing a sovereign state that was trying to uphold the law. When he didn’t get the exact results he wanted, he told AZ that ICE would not “answer the phone” if they called. Then he proceeded to dictate (aka issue an Executive Order) to pardon the illegal aliens because it was not their fault that they were brought here. This was after he said that he could not issue an executive order to do this. Wake up and realize Obama tells everyone what they want to hear. a partial truth is STILL A LIE!
I wish I could thumbs up you more than once, Integrity Matters (and it really does!!!)
September 24, 2012 at 3:12 pm
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Now, the lefties are actually saying that Mitt Romney paid too much in taxes just to make himself look better. Will these people never stop?!! I believe that liberalism truly IS a mental disorder!!
Progressive Democrats are the masters of deceit. They are all mentally defective. They play all the cards in their ill conceived deck to make Conservatives look bad. I look forward to November to send them all packing starting from the top.
CT Agent,
That came from Romney’s trustee:
Malt also said that while the 2011 charitable donations would have “significantly reduced” the amount of taxes they owed for the year, the Romneys decided to limit their deduction of charitable contribution to conform to Romney’s August statement that based upon the January estimate of income they paid at least 13% in income taxes in each of the last 10 years.
And just look at the source, not exactly moveon.org
I really do not care how much anyone pays in taxes, but I have a huge problem with someone who is so blatantly disingenuous.
Yes I do have the same criticism of Obama, but I was under the impression that Romney was going to be a more honest option. I am an independent who is still undecided, but I need more than “he is not Obama” for Romney to get my vote. I am waiting for him to present a better alternative and more details.
Fair enough, Ron. Perhaps I can help you decide, though..how about the fact that Obama still hasn’t come right out and said that the attack on our Embassy in Libya (and others around the world) was terrorism? How about the fact that Obama said he would not raise taxes on the middle class? How about the fact that Obama was taping an episode of The View yesterday, rather than attending his last meeting with international leaders before the election? Those are just a few of the many things that are wrong with this man. He wouldn’t know the truth if it were steering him in the face! I happen to believe that Romney is more forth coming than Obama is, and that is why he has my vote.
September 25, 2012 at 11:50 am
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You could not give me one reason to vote for Romney. I am not a fan of Obama, but I do believe that we give to President too much credit when things go well and too much blame when they are bad. At least with Obama, I have a good idea with what we are dealing with. I have NO idea what Romney stands for or believes.
As for taxes, I fall in the 47% that Romney insulted in his private conversation with donors (where he is more likely to be honest). I put myself through college (Bachelors and Masters degress) without any government grants and earned my CPCU while raising 3 children and working full time and have NEVER received welfare or food stamps. I was unemployed for 2 months due to downsizing. That is the only assistance I have received from the government. Go ahead and tell me that I am not responsible for my life, I dare you.
My wife has been out of work for 3 years because it would cost more to put the kids in day care than she would bring home.
If Romney rasies my taxes so that I have skin in the game, that is fine. Just remember that means less money from me into the private sector and more to the government since I, like most of that 47%, live paycheck-to-paycheck. Do you believe that will help the economy?
September 25, 2012 at 12:10 pm
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I realize that the economy is the driving force behind this election–and I believe it is the driving force because Obama has driven it into the ground and has made it the way it is. With that said, for me, foreign policy is also a huge driving force. IMO, Obama has the worst foreign policy of a president in our era. The world is a scary place, and when we have a president who would rather be on television than run our country, that speaks VOLUMES for me. When he refers to the killing of an Ambassador, a diplomat, and 2 Navy Seals as “a bump in the road”, that speaks VOLUMES about his character. When he takes credit for killing OSB and then thinks he’s defeated Al Qaeda, that speaks VOLUMES!! The man is on a huge ego trip, and we Americans are paying for it! And, BTW–I did build my agency, I do employ people who I am responsible for (even though it’s only 2 others…very small), and I did put myself through school, as well. I did not take offense to Romney’s 47% statement, because I feel he is telling the truth. He wasn’t putting us down..what he was saying was that those are the one’s that are going to vote for Obama so he needs to concentrate on the undecided voter, that’s all. I guess it was OK for Obama to say what he did to the Russian President about our missile defense “off the cuff” and not have to pay for it??
September 25, 2012 at 12:35 pm
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Ron, How about the fact that he is from Illinois? The most Corrupt county in the most corrupt state in the nation? Are you not at the very least wondering what he would have had to say about selling his senate seat? His involvement with Rezco? A convicted felon?
September 25, 2012 at 12:37 pm
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Ron, Let me help you out on what Romney believes. It is too bad you haven’t been paying attention for the past several months. He believes in a free market society where all Americans can aspire to succeed and pursue happiness. He believes that small business creates the jobs in this country and we need to encourage them by not taxing them to death or regulate them to death. He believes the government is too big by far and needs to be scaled back and not so intrusive into our private lives like Obamacare is sure to do. If you believe that only half of the citizens should pay taxes and the wealthy should pay more of their fair share, you are clearly an Oblama supporter. You said that at least you knew where you stood with Obama. Wow, you have really signed onto the gospel of failure which is his hallmark. This country is degenerating into a spiral of failure with this President and it is time you woke up and smelled the coffee.
September 25, 2012 at 12:44 pm
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If you have not picked up on my theme yet, here it is:
You do not have to give me reasons to not vote for Obama. If Hunstman won the primaries, he would be getting my vote. He was the only reasonable Republican in the primaries. Obama is the most vulnerable incumbant president that I can remember. Even more so that Carter. Yes I am dating myself some now. The fact that Romney is not leading by at least 20 points is an indicator that there is a major problem in the Republican party. They are trying too hard to cater to the far right and not the middle.
I agree that is how is started his message, but did you listen to the whole message? If not, here is what Romney said: “There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. And I mean, the president starts off with 48, 49, 48—he starts off with a huge number. These are people who pay no income tax.”
Can you honestly defend that statement? The combination of sentences 2 through 4 and the last sentence is why I was and you should be insulted if you fall in the 47%. If you do and you are still voting for Romney, that means he was not telling the truth.
Do you really believe that 47% of our country is dependent on the government? If so, please provide some data supporting that belief.
September 25, 2012 at 1:56 pm
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Agent,
I know what he says he believes. However, he likes to change his position on many topics to pandor to his audience. He was once a moderate with liberal views (pro-choice, pro gun control, pro mandate for government health care) now he is ultra conservative.
Obama has said he believes in many of the same things, especially about small businesses.
I believe that I mentioned that I am an independent and not a fan of Obama. I have yet to make my decision, so I am not supporting any candidate yet.
Let’s assume Romney truly now believes what he says now. How is he going to accomplish these things? Will he force companies to hire people and pay them more if there is no increase in demand for their products or services? Will he tie conditions to corporate tax breaks and deregulation requiring companies to do those things? Will he force energy companies to keep oil and gas here?
I didn’t say I like where we stand with Obama, but I just don’t think he, as an incompetent individual, is nearly as dangerous as Republicans like to make him out to be.
I don’t believe that only half the country pays Federal Income Taxes. My argument is that if you start taxing the 47%, that means less money in the private sector and more to the government. Is that the soultion your are presenting? If not, please explain how you are going to have people who currently do not pay taxes start without raising taxes?
Remember, Romney said after the Supreme Court upheld Obamacare that he likes many of the benefits of the law, just not that we would need to pay for it.
September 25, 2012 at 3:33 pm
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That 47% includes about 18% of people on social security. So in fact, there are about 30% of Americans not paying federal income tax. Of those, not all 30% are on assistance. Some are dependant on a taxpaying person, either a spouse, parent, or child. Let’s not blow the 47% out of proportion. We do not have 47% of our population sitting on their ass collecting some type of assistance.
September 25, 2012 at 8:29 pm
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Ron,
Here are a couple: Mitt’s Plan
Mitt Romney will treat regulatory costs like other costs: he will establish firm limits for them. A Romney administration will act swiftly to tear down the vast edifice of regulations the Obama administration has imposed on the economy. It will also seek to make structural changes to the federal bureaucracy that ensure economic growth remains front and center when regulatory decisions are made.
Eliminate Undue Economic Burdens
One of the greatest problems with the federal bureaucracy is that each incoming presidential administration leaves in place much of what its predecessor constructed. The result is layer upon layer of often unnecessary or inconsistent regulation. President Obama has compounded this problem with unprecedented federal power grabs over wide swaths of the economy. Obama-era laws and regulations must be rolled back, and pre-existing ones must be carefully scrutinized.
Repeal Obamacare
Repeal Dodd-Frank and replace with streamlined, modern regulatory framework
Amend Sarbanes-Oxley to relieve mid-size companies from onerous requirements
Initiate review and elimination of all Obama-era regulations that unduly burden the economy
Reform Environmental Regulation
As president, Mitt Romney will eliminate the regulations promulgated in pursuit of the Obama administration’s costly and ineffective anti-carbon agenda. Romney will also press Congress to reform our environmental laws to ensure that they allow for a proper assessment of their costs.
Ensure that environmental laws properly account for cost in regulatory process
Provide multi-year lead times before companies must come into compliance with onerous new environmental regulations
Adopt Structural Reforms
An agency may be able to conceive of ten different regulations, each imposing costs of $10 billion while producing at least as much in social benefit. Moving forward might sound like a great idea to the typical regulator. But imposing those regulations, no matter what the social benefits, has a similar effect to raising taxes by $100 billion. Regulatory costs need to be treated like the very real costs they are.
Impose a regulatory cap of zero dollars on all federal agencies
Require congressional approval of all new “major” regulations
Reform legal liability system to prevent spurious litigation.
James,
That is all well and good for corporations and their profits, but what about unintended consequences. Will Romney force companies to increase employment and pay higher wage when he reduces regulations or hope for some trickle down? I have advocated for lower corporate taxes, but only if you hire more people. I also know that Obama tried this and the Republicans would not go for it even though they are the ones that say we need to lower taxes on the job creators so they hire more.
My concern is that Romney is looking to make decisions that ensure economic growth remains front and center. Remember, the government is not a business and should never be run as a business. The sole purpose of a business’s existence is to make a profit, period. The sole purpose of the government is to provide for the general welfare of the people.
We have only had 2 Presidents who came into office with business experience, Herbert Hoover and George W Bush. How was the economy doing at the end of those presidencies?
Ron, you are speaking like the truly uninformed, kind of like Libby. Do you really believe that Romney will force companies to increase employment and pay a higher wage? That is what Progressives do. What an idiotic statement! Another one was that you have a concern that Romney will make decisions that insure economic growth is front and center. Apparently, you are one of those guys who is anti-business, anti profit and guess what buster, that is what makes our economy go around. I do agree that the purpose of government is to provide for the general welfare and this government promotes a different kind of welfare. Our founding fathers were wise when they promoted limited government and were fearful of what might happen if the government got too big for its breeches. They also did not want to concentrate power with one branch of government so we have 3 branches of government to do checks and balances. It seems this President thinks the Executive branch is more equal than the Legislative and Judicial with all his executive orders and trying to rule by executive fiat. By the way numbskull, Herbert Hoover was not attacked by Al Quida. How is the economy doing with your inexperienced Socialist with no business experience including running a lemonade stand?
September 26, 2012 at 1:50 pm
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Agent,
I know he won’t force companies to do those things. That was my point. He is hoping that these changes will result in increased employment and higher wages, but he cannot guarantee that.
Please see my 11:30 am post about executive orders.
The fact that you feel the need to insult and belittle me and other non-Republicans discredits many of your arguments.
How about provide facts and sources instead of rhteroic?
Thank you for informing me that Herbert Hoover was not attacked by AlQuida yet was in office when the Great Depression began.
The economy is doing better now than 2008 when we were losing 750k jobs per month. I know that job growth isn’t sufficient to cover population growth, but at least we have net job gains.
September 26, 2012 at 3:29 pm
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Well said, Ron. Agent and others of his ilk like to belittle and name-call those of us that do not follow their line of thinking. Unfortunately, I sometimes resort to the same thing while trying to defend myself. We are way outnumbered on this site, but it does not mean we are stupid, uninformed, or nonsensical.
September 26, 2012 at 7:17 pm
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Ron:
You really are having a hard time with this…
” will ask you the same question that no Republican can answer. If Romney lowers taxes on the wealthy and repeals all of these regulations, will he force companies to hire and pay higher wages if there is no increase in demand or hope they let their new found profits to trickle down? President Bush was very friendly to business, yet he had a larger jobs gap than President Obama. Please explain that away. http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/18/news/economy/obama-bush-jobs/index.html
I await your response.”
36.9% tax rate, legendary growth, revenues at 20% of GDP.
95% tax rate, equal growth, revenues at 20% of GDP.
That’s the republican answer. If we can get similar revenues, similar growth, and people keep money it’s better than taxing the hell out of people. Regan already proved the taxes needed to be lowered.
As to why Bush didn’t have more growth during his presidency:
Fact one: The internet bubble popped at the beginning of Bush’s presidency. The revenues dipped before Bush could have had an effect, showing it was an econmic dip.
Fact two: The world trade center was bombed.
Fact three: Despite that, our growth rate toward the end of his presidency was good.
Fact four: Had the housing bubble not have popped, his growth late term was actually not bad at all.
Fact five: When you are at an econmic peak, it is hard to maintain. Bush’s growth would be like a fit person trying to become an olympian. Everything has to be right to make process. When everything is bad, growth is supposed to be faster, and has been for all recessions except for the great depression.
The better question, which no democrat has answered:
Why is the economy for Obama so sluggish when it should bounce up?
Why do we want to not let housing prices bottom out, at a time where everyone is out of a job and has less money? Obama specifically kept housing costs high, and insulted Romney for saying housing costs needed to bottom out. The majority of people who don’t own homes would benefit from buying a dirt cheap house. Then things could pick up naturally. Can you explain away Obama’s decision here as to why it’s a good idea for housing prices to be up for the majority of Americans?
September 27, 2012 at 7:52 am
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Bob,
And all of those hapened under his watch. I am not sure how many people would agree that his Presidency ended well, he wasn’t even invited to speak at the Republican National Convention. If you think it was for any other reason that to keep people from being reminded of the end of his Presidency I have some ocean front property in Iowa I would like to sell you.
I am not blaming President Bush for those things, just as I don’t blame Obama that the economy isn’t recovering at a level that is acceptable to the Republicans. And it is recovering. Remember that it took 12 years and World War II to end the Great Depression. Ganted this was not as bad, but it is going to take more that 3 1/2 to fully recover.
I believe we give Presidents too much credit when things go well (Clinton and Reagan) and too much blame when things go bad (Bush and Obama). They do not control the budget or spending and they do not pass laws.
September 27, 2012 at 1:46 pm
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Ron:
You asked for an explanation, and implied no republican could give it.
The explanation was clearly there in my response. We aren’t going to deviate to blame game. I explained, and then added a few things about Obama that are extremely important to be answered. Inflating housing costs is no small deal. The death tax is no small deal. Capital gains taxes at zero would benefit the middle class. What most people don’t realize is that a 401k plan is typically managed by a third party, who takes about a 7% fee from investments up front, and usually doesn’t allow you to decide on the invesments. We can either encourage middle class to go that route, or give them a tax free method to retirement they can do without a being forced to pay a third party.
Regarding Obama, see my comment about Citibank and Obama. Obama was the first attorney to cite CRA regulations, and red lining for a suit against Citi in the 90’s. He actually did cause the housing bubble to pop. Citi bank went bankrupt for giving those same loans later. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that following that suit, between 1992 to 2007 4.53 trillion in CRA loans were given out. Whereas, between 1977 to 1992 there were only about 8 billion.
They contributed to a regulatory system that collapsed the government, all in the name of giving something for attorneys to keep busy with.
Now I know I’m off topic, but the fact that you honestly think there is any competition between Obama and Romney as to who to vote for as an independant, it shows you are not an independant. Further to the point, your premise was that no republican could explain how Romney would create demand. He can’t. That’s the answer. But the tax cuts worked for Regan. And Obama can’t either. See my stimulus comment. He spent about $450 billion and the economy grew by about $280 billion. And he is saying that’s the route to growth, and tried to pass another $450 billion while insulting republicans who blocked him. If he has his liberal way, we will go that route. And it’s the wrong route.
September 27, 2012 at 2:03 pm
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A payroll tax cut is what you’re referring to.
The tax cut has to be for the entire set of the revenues, otherwise it won’t work.
They deduct about 30% of their total taxes now to other countries and come out ahead. Can you ensure they can deduct 30% of their total taxes by hiring? No. Obama could not, so Republicans didn’t support it.
Further: What do you think happens? Rich people will always keep all they can. If an oil company had left over money, they could invest into new energies (as nearly every company has done). Investing into new energies requires jobs. Corporations when it comes to profits need people to get those profits. If we give them the ability to make more, they need more people by default to get more profits. If we take away their left over capital they have less to invest.
Oil corporations pay a tax rate of 44% including over seas taxes. You really think that if they paid 20% they wouldn’t have a ton to reinvest to new hiring? You really think they would take all of hundreds of billions of dollars? I think not. They take a good chunk, but they do hire as well.
September 26, 2012 at 10:12 am
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James, you did a good job of outlining some of the things Romney is committed to doing. Of course, it will not resonate with Libby and some of her cohorts like Ron because they think Obama has been noble and honest with the citizens and is doing a great job. Romney will have his hands full rolling back several hundred Executive Orders, eliminating the costly programs that don’t work and cleaning out the Departments and Agencies that have imposed all the Progressive nonsense that is the hallmark of this administration. He will have to work hard to get the government off small businesses backs and create an atmosphere that is friendly to business. His first official acts should be to repeal and replace Obamacare and shortly after, dismantle EPA which is killing industry and crippling job growth.
Agent,
I have never said that I think Obama is noble and honest and have even indicated several times that I am not a fan. I AM AN INDEPENDENT. I don’t drink the Kool-aid from either side, and both are happy to serve it.
Republicans need to stop making it seem like Obama has taken Executive Orders to a new level. They are all in on it.
I will ask you the same question that no Republican can answer. If Romney lowers taxes on the wealthy and repeals all of these regulations, will he force companies to hire and pay higher wages if there is no increase in demand or hope they let their new found profits to trickle down? President Bush was very friendly to business, yet he had a larger jobs gap than President Obama. Please explain that away. http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/18/news/economy/obama-bush-jobs/index.html
I await your response.
October 1, 2012 at 2:23 pm
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Its what those executive orders say that is the problem not the number of them. Obama violates the constitution at will!
October 1, 2012 at 3:21 pm
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Just how does an Executive Order violate the constitution when it’s signed by Obama, but not by any other President?
September 26, 2012 at 1:47 pm
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13% on capitol gains, he had no income from employment and MILLIONS given to charity. I, for one am just fine with that.
TxLady,
The issue isn’t his tax rate or how much he donated to charity. He had said he should be quealified to be President if he paid more in taxed than he legally owes, then he claims less in charitable contributions in order to pay more in taxes than he legally owes just to keep a campaign promise. You do not have a problem with that? and please do not start citing Obama’s promises broken.
Sorry, he said he should NOT be qualified to be President.
September 26, 2012 at 3:14 pm
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Oh, but there are so many broken promises by Obama to cite!!
September 26, 2012 at 3:22 pm
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CT Agent,
Find me a politician who has not broken promises, please. I never expect politicians to keep their promises because I understand that most people are intelligent enough to be told the truth and still vote for someone. That goes for both sides.
September 26, 2012 at 3:27 pm
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I don’t have an issue with it at all.
Why would you make a comment about don’t cite Obama’s broken promises? Rather confused by that. Did you assume I would go there? I don’t need to.
If you want to discuss something civilly, please do not tell me what to say before I have had a chance to comment. Not very nice of you to presume…….
September 26, 2012 at 3:33 pm
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The issue is, TxLady, he makes millions of dollars but his effective tax rate is less than ours! He only dumbed down his charitible contributions so he’d have to pay MORE tax in order to run for President. Not because they weren’t owed to him. Not because he’s a “nice guy”. Good golly! Why do you think tha the rich should have a lower net tax rate than the middle class???
September 26, 2012 at 4:13 pm
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TxLady,
I apologize for making the presumption. It was not meant to be mean, but if you read enough of the comments on this site you will see that everytime I ask someone to defend Romney, they bash Obama. I was just trying to avoid that conversation again.
September 26, 2012 at 3:58 pm
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To Libby,
Out tax code taxes capital gains and wages differently. That is why the lower rate for Romney’s capital gains. I have no problem with that. Capital gains comes from investments, which stem from money you’ve already earned ( and been taxed upon before) that you have now placed as an investment. I do not beleive they should be taxed at the same rate as regular wages. I am just fine with the capital gains tax rate.
However, a flat tax would suit me fine, with it being paid by EVERYONE.
Tax on capital gains applies only to the income or gain and not on the initial investment which has already been taxed. I do not believe this tax should be lower than any other income.
September 26, 2012 at 4:21 pm
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Nice try TxLady. You are talking to a brick wall with Libby who believes in double taxation to the nth degree. If a person makes $100,000 a year for many years and pays the maximum tax rate on it at 30+%, saves some money and then invests it and then pays 15% on the Capital Gains, he/she has not paid his fair share. She wants the maximum tax to be paid so it can go to the government to pay for Obamacare and all the other wasteful programs, departments and agencies. Her plan would discourage investment, kill jobs and retard the economy, but isn’t that their plan for this country?
September 26, 2012 at 4:25 pm
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How is that discouraging investment? Just because you would have to pay the normal rate on the INCOME you generate from the gain? Sounds fair to me.
September 26, 2012 at 5:07 pm
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Libby, as you have admitted in a prior post, Economics is not your strong suit as your uninformed post has revealed. TxLady’s post sailed right over your head and you came up with you didn’t believe the Capital Gains Tax rate should be any different. Double taxation at the same rate as earned income suits you just fine. If that happens, the investors will be taking money out of the country so fast it will make your head swim. The stock market will implode and we will go off the fiscal cliff just like your President wants it to. Did you know that if this country reforms its tax code and goes to a fair or flat tax maximum of 15% and all the loopholes go away, we will have much more revenue than we presently enjoy and perhaps we wouldn’t be borrowing $.40 of every dollar to fund government? I encourage you & Planet to enroll in a good Econ 101 course and study Milton Friedman and get your head out of the clouds.
September 26, 2012 at 5:30 pm
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TxLady & Agent,
If I pay $10,000 for stock and sell it for $15,000, you pay capital gains on the $5,000, not the $10,000 on which you already paid taxes. Please explain how that is double taxation. I agree that an increase in the capital gains tax would discourage some investment, but let’s not call it something it is not.
Agent,
Regarding the flat tax proposal with no deductions. Wouldn’t that result in the largest tax increase in U.S. history since the 47% who currently do not pay any federal income tax and the top who use capital gains and deductions to pay under 15%. And what do we do with all of the IRS agents, tax attorneys and accounts that lose their jobs. I know you probably don’t care, but it would have a huge impact on the economy. I guess there would plenty of $10 per hour, no benefits jobs at Domino’s, Staples and The Sports Authority for them.
Good luck getting that passed by any politician.
September 26, 2012 at 8:52 pm
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Please. oBama is a Property Tax Dodger here in IL. He bought two,parcels right next door to each other – one vacant and one with a house. He paid vacant land on the property with the house. He then he bought the vecant property for what he should pay for the house. This had the effect of lowering the house taxxes down to vacant land value.
This is public record. Not some he said she said bogus slanted new station. This is fact.
September 27, 2012 at 6:17 pm
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Ron:
It’s double taxation because of how capital gains are paid out to being with.
First, the company receives the investment income from investors.
This income is spent as income on their projects.
The make earnings on those projects. Those earnings are taxed, as corporate revenues.
The revenues / earnings from the corporation are already taxed. As a stock holder you are sharing in the profits. Therefore, you are sharing in the taxation. It is double taxation to tax the shareholder’s value, after you already taxed the value of the revenues which lowered the value of their stock to begin with.
It’s not misleading to say this.
September 25, 2012 at 9:28 am
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And I believe the only ones with mental disorders are the ones voting for Romney and Ryan. Nan was right. Between the two of them they don’t agree on anything. They don’t know what the f&%k they’re going to do if they get elected. It would truly be a nightmare and catastrophic for this country if that happened.
CT, you might want to educate yourself as to the difference between an embassy and a consulate, among other things. Perhaps retake high school civics and American History. After you do that, you might want to revisit your thinking. Your comments in general remind me of an old bumper sticker: “A mind is like a parachute. They both work only when open.”
Really, claimsguy. WTF is the difference!? Embassy…consulate. Americans were MURDERED in an act of TERRORISM and our president won’t admit it. And, here you are giving me a lecture telling me there’s a difference between an embassy and a consulate? Really?? WTF?! You’re a joke…just like the president!!
Claims guy, I think your missing something here. Instead of OBama condeming the murders by terrorists, he has Billary appoligizing. Bash on bush all you want, but he would have troops heading there to take care of business. Did you not hear what happened in Chicago a few weeks back? Getting too close to home. This p%$$y is appolgizing to the murders of American People. Sending Foreign Aid over there? People that hate us getting my hard earned tax dollars. Dont we have enough homeless and starvation going on here? Instead, we send money to the mid east so they can buy weapons and murder our people. Whats worse then an ILL Politician?
September 26, 2012 at 9:59 am
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So CT, our President goes before the UN yesterday still saying the video is responsible for the Middle East violence which killed our Ambassador and 3 other Americans. This is reprehensible because the evidence is that Al Quida had this planned for some time and used 100 soldiers of Islam to carry it out with RPG’s, machine guns. It was planned by the guy they let out of GITMO some years ago and sent back to Libya. By the way, Obama is turning 55 more loose from GITMO back to Libya including Bin Laden’s body guard. I am sure they will live peaceful lives and will not want to do harm to any more Americans, right? These animals should have been tried by Military Tribunal, convicted of war crimes and executed long ago. What a rotten scenario this is.
September 26, 2012 at 3:53 pm
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Agent, I realize you are from Texas where every dispute is settled by a gun, but the President is trying a little thing we like to call Diplomacy to call this situation down. Why inflame an already volatile situation? Does it really matter what CAUSED the violence? It needs to stop and ranting and raving and killing more people is not the way to go about it.
September 27, 2012 at 10:05 am
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Libby-the whack job jihadist muslims want nothing to do with diplomacy. They want to KILL us…GET IT??? Do you really think that this joke of a president and the sec’y of state’s apologies mean anything to these animals? No-bama should’ve taken care of business in Libya the very next day after our Americans were murdered. The end. Instead? He did NOTHING!!! We need to remind the world why they shouldn’t mess with the U.S.!! Am I being undiplomatic? TOUGH ****!!!
September 27, 2012 at 10:17 am
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More propoganda CT? Really. Show me where he apologized to terrorists or shut up about it.
September 27, 2012 at 2:59 pm
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CT – since you have yet to show me where the President apologized to terrorists, I guess you are just shutting up about it. Thank you.
September 25, 2012 at 3:18 pm
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And, claimsguy…your mouth (and mind) would suit us all fine if you were to keep it shut.
Good one No-bama. Short and to the point. I like your moniker as well.
September 26, 2012 at 8:27 am
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Wouldn’t suit me fine. I like what he has to say.
September 27, 2012 at 5:49 pm
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Billary was on TV appoligizing Libby. Even I caught that on the news. Pretty much sick and tired of the election crap. And all we do is argue amung ourselves about the same tired crap and no one will be changing their minds.
September 24, 2012 at 3:14 pm
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I’m confused. This says the IRS will collect the penalty, but there have been recent articles where the IRS has pointedly said they will not be responsible.
which is correct?
Did I read those last couple of sentences correctly? We all know Obamacare is a play right out of the Repubs playbook….and it’s what Romney did in Mass….and it said it is working well there. So it works? Genuinely asking, no sarcasm.
Ask the Governor Duvall Patrick how his budget in doing in Taxachusetts the last several years. They are in the hole big time and more taxes will be coming down and they are scaling the program back because it is too expensive. Healthcare is their big ticket item and I am sure it was sold to the folks that more people covered would equal lower premiums. That is what the Feds are saying about Obamacare. It doesn’t happen because it is a failed concept. They don’t have Tort Reform, no competition between companies and it is over utilized.
Just a thought – if its not working in Mass, why jam it down the entire nations throat? It appears that Obama does not learn from history. Multiply Romneys mistake by 52? Thats OBamas logic – it did not work there so lets ram it down everyones throat.
Well Nebraskan it depends on how you look at it. They don’t call the state- “Taxachusetts” for nothing. Some of the highest taxes in the nation. From everything I can read if you have government paid insurance it is not what it used to be and if you had no insurance you are better off. I can tell you this. People from Canada, who have an Obama plan for the entire country, hate it. They go to Michigan, crossing over from Windsor and Port Huron to get treatment in the US. Michigan has a lot of Canadians getting MRI’s,cat scans etc. The reason? They can’t get them in Canada. Local television two weeks ago had a Canadian man getting treatment in Detroit because it takes them 6 months or longer to get an MRI and you could die before you have the test. Why? Because the people who formerly did not have insurance flood the hospitals “because now we have insurance”rather than go to the doctor, and two the government does not pay any money for the tests (remember Obama just pulled 716Billion out of medicare payments to doctors and hospitals). If the hospitals can’t pay for the machines they get rid of all of them but 1 or two and run them around the clock (the airline strategy). So, people die because they have to get in line and wait forever or until they die. That is why the Canadians cross borders. They won’t be doing that in a year or two because it will be as bad or worse here.
Frankly I am not a big Romney supporter but it is better than the socialist we have now. I would vote for a potted plant before I would vote for Obama.
Ok, you can laugh at me, but genuinely asking, again, if it’s a tax that is applied if you DON’T have insurance, how is it government paid insurance? Am I misunderstanding Obamacare? It’s not forcing anyone on insurance, but making them pay a tax if they don’t have it? Again, not disagreeing with you, not saying you are wrong, just trying to completely understand. Because honestly, when I read these comments, it’s appears that people are talking about two very different things. I also have no anger towards you or anyone on this website. Thank you.
Bob, The IRS is supposed to enforce the tax but it said it will not. Just like they don’t enforce the $4.5 billion fraud being committed by Mexican illegals whofile fraudulant tax returns. Leave it up to the federal government to run it and it won’t work just like social security, the post office, healthcare, medicaid, etc. This is a farce
They can look at a House sub committtee with a straight face and say they will not enforce the “tax”. How is it that 16,500 new IRS agents will be hired to not enforce it? Hmm! Since the track record has not been too good the past 4 years on the truth, I suspect that they are lying through their teeth and our representatives will probably buy it hook, line and sinker.
I think those agents will be hired to count towards the jobs created or saved statistic. No other purpose than to boost Obama’s dismal employment numbers.
Only an idiot would vote Republican!!! Stop voting against you own self interest and think about you and your family. This is coming from someone who works for an HMO.
All the consumer wants is health insurance that pays and is affordable. I don’t call $14000. a year for health insurance affordable. Don’t forget the deductible. What needs to happen is reel in the health insurance industry starting with the insurance companies. The local BC/BS was being investigated the coughed up $80 + Million for a state program. Then the coughed up 50 million to fund a new medical school. They sponsor everything they can and who pays….. The policy holders. Last year we had a 30% increase, this year than want another 10% Obamacare is not going to be the fix. Those that work can’t afford to take the time off to sit in the docotors office.
Would Tort Reform help? Without addressing the underlying factors – the top underlying factor – what you get is change for the sake of change with a high price tag and new taxxes.
$14K a year? I wish mine was that low. I wish I didnt have a $10K deductible. Bash on the insurance company? How about the attornies that file law suite after law suite? I cant watch TV in the evening witholut seeing some attorney advertising “Call Me, we will sue”. 1-800 bad drug.
Seeing as these are ALL projections and theory, perhaps we should not get our panties all in a bunch just yet. The CBO had a different number last time and the next time they may have a different number still.
Hey Cool, have you seen any projections actually go down by CBO since the bill was first scored? Apparently, numbers don’t mean too much to you since you appear to be unconcerned about the cost ballooning from $495 Billion over 10 years to $2.6 Trillion per the most recent scoring. Is it any wonder that the Middle Class will have their head handed to them in increased taxes? All of this for a Progressive dream that is unaffordable and unsustainable so we can have government takeover of a good part of our economy and life and death decisions made by government bureaucrats. You need to wake up and smell the coffee.
Liberals don’t think in terms of cost and really don’t care if the country is bankrupted as long as they get their precious Healthcare. They figure the future generation will have to worry about the problem. The wonder what the future generation will look like with the direction this country is going. I have visions of a Banana Republic similar to Venezuela or Cuba. Do we really want to live in squalor so the Progressives can continue to run this country into the ground?
CoolCalm, if we wait long enough…we’ll be forced to buy turnips from China (whatever/wherever) or taxed for not doing it. All of this rhetoric is fine but we have to take action if we want to take our government back. We the people need to have our voices heard by voting this November.
I’m with you, CoolCalm. Too many Chicken Littles running around telling us the sky is falling. If all these people were so smart, what are they doing on this blog? Go out and run the country for crying out loud. Anyone can play fantasy football or Monday morning quarterback. If you think you have all the answers then get in the game! Otherwise, your opinion is the same as anyone elses. And that ain’t alot.
Chicken Little did not have history to learn from. Govt intrusion into private business has always been an increase of cost somewhere along the lines. Usually in taxxes especially to the middle class. Soon, we wont have the middle class to tax anymore. Trickle up Poverty nipping at my heels.
FFA, those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Liberal Progressives look right past what happened in the Great Depression and think their Keynsian theories of spend your way to prosperity actually work. Keynes was discounted big time by Milton Friedman. He was a big Capitalism guy and knew that this country rose to be the most powerful economic engine the world has ever seen due to freedom, entrepreneurship and a people who pursued their dreams. He also knew that Progressive Socialism is a gospel of failure everywhere it has been tried. Libby, tell us which country practicing Progressive Socialism is leading the world in developing their economy and providing a high standard of living for their people and keeping taxes low.
I only made mention of your comment to who is and is not qualified to make comments.
There are 535 positions and it’s popularity contest. Why aren’t you running? The answer? You couldn’t win. Same here.
My ideas are good, and you can’t just state why am I not in charge to dismiss them. I’ve emailed them in documents to the Romney campaign, and received replies. Why aren’t you submitting ideas to Obama?
September 28, 2012 at 2:37 pm
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By the way don’t come at me with the “If”. I was tested at the age of 5.
By the age of 5 I knew up through algebra math, basic spanish, read books like the hobbit, and the sequels, I did book reports on them which made my kindergarden teachers go bonkers when I didn’t have high grades later, etc.
School bored me. I’m the only person I know of that every year the teacher would ask what could possibly be going on to make their brightest student not do the homework. I aced the tests every time. I studied the Algebra 2 trig book in one night, and aced the test the next day after doing none of the homework. Needless to say the teacher asked me what the hell was going on. She gave me an exception on the grade to a B+ and disregarded my homework. My 5th grade teacher Mrs. Anderson called me the brightest child she had ever seen. My Freshman year I was forced to retake the WASL because I had a perfect score, they thought I cheated.
So yeah, my IQ is 156, my sister is 145, and my brother was 151. I would argue the only reason for mine being higher is that my brother an I competed, we would read books just to see who could finish more quicker, and then give each other summaries. He was teaching me physics by the time I was in 8th grade. He himself is a post grad. You’re talking a smart bunch of people.
My concepts should get that across by now.
September 28, 2012 at 3:54 pm
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And my IQ is 128. I’m hardly a dummy either, pal. But I could tell you had a high IQ and no empathy, compassion, or joy. Numbers, numbers, numbers is all you ever talk about and there is so much more to life and living than numbers, Bob. Just because you’re book smart (my sister has an IQ of 142 and doesn’t know when to come in out of the rain) doesn’t mean you know and understand everything. You don’t understand how to relate to people without coming across as a 156 IQ smarty pants. And that really turns people off. Especially we morons, who weren’t blessed with such a gift. Use it wisely and not wise-assly and you’ll get farther.
September 28, 2012 at 4:02 pm
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Bob,
“more quicker” Nice grammar from someone with an IQ of 156. Normally I do not point out spelling and/or grammatical erros (I make some myself when trying to type quickly), but if you are going to BRAG about how smart you are, you deserve the criticism.
October 1, 2012 at 12:34 pm
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Ron:
Please do go fuck yourself. On a forum I have no need to grammar check.
Besides, I was talking past tense, multiple books. We were seeing who could read multiple books quicker. It’s technically not the best grammar, however I don’t “much care”.
October 1, 2012 at 12:37 pm
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Libby:
Actually you’re wrong there as well. My IQ was solely existent from my conceptual abilities. My mathematical were strong as well, but I’m not book smart.
I’m smart in any area I decide conceptually to postulate a series of systems of how something works.
My numbers here have not been good. When I have run back they have been so wrong in some posts it’s unbelievable. However, the concept if applied with the right math would work out, and I know the general concept.
I am about concepts above numbers. Moreover, list a concept I’ve been wrong about on this site. You’ve not delved into them, and it’s far better to go into a concept than it is to proudly declare you know how to have the right “emotions” on a subject. People like me in society get shit done rather than saying it’s about how the world should feel on the matter of tax rates, we go off of who benefits.
October 1, 2012 at 12:40 pm
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Ron,
I also feel the need to point out that this is one of the few cases more works out with quicker.
“let’s see who finished more books quicker”. “I finished more, quicker than my brother”
“we were reading, trying to see who could finish more, quicker than the other.”
Would work as an example if a judge were to examine who finished the most books the fastest. It just wouldn’t be better than saying “let’s see who finished the most the fastest” which also isn’t quite that great either.
I think only someone with an high IQ would have caught that, and only someone with a dumbass IQ would not have.
October 1, 2012 at 12:49 pm
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Ron,
And to further put something out there, she said the smartest people in the world are in congress, I said no, they aren’t, I wonder how many have a 156 IQ.
I was actually DEFENDING my intelligence, that is NOT bragging, smart ass. I take that back, remove the smart, and you’re just an ass.
She said “IF” I had a 156 IQ. I defended against two things, whether congress was smarter than I just for being in congress, and whether my IQ was what it was. I think I can use examples so as to show my intellect.
Ron, as we have already seen in your posts, you don’t know much on anything.
You said I couldn’t blame Obama for housing costs. He passed plans geared at keeping costs high on houses, it worked. Your vague reply was “we blame presidents too much for the bad!!”. This one Ron, I didn’t blame without cause. He did it. Vague concepts like that don’t have place in a debate.
I answered your questions, with great form. I explained, as you asked, and asked you how Obama helped the middle class in this hard time by raising housing costs, and then allowing people to refinance a home without proof of income. The second of those I know because the loan officer told me what was passed, and said “good news! thanks to this new law from Obama you can refinance with no loan documents!”.
Does that sound like what I said before, with the Leahman Brothers, WAMU, Country Financial, and Citibank being forced to give crap loans?
Obama is raising housing costs now, he caused the housing bubble burst before by triggering CRA regulations through lawsuits, and is causing a new housing bubble by putting in place those same regulations now, and you want me to defend putting in Romney by saying what Romney will do? How about what he won’t, which would actually help the economy?
He will NOT iflate housing costs, by forcing banks to buy up and then sell houses at a higher value than they are worth (Obama did this)
He will NOT pass regulations to allow people with no income documentation to refinance, or finance, loans.
Those two are enough to stop a huge problem in this country. That’s enough to vote Obama out right there. In these posts, you have made many people look biased, for wanting this jack ass out of congress, and have basically tried to make people look like fools while doing so. So now you’ve found me, a threat, and you throw an insult to see if I’m game, and I know what I’m talking about. Don’t bother Ron. I already made mince meat of you above.
October 1, 2012 at 2:20 pm
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You are really something Bob. What a jackass. Ron has not tried to make anyone look biased. He has been respectful and polite. Alot more than I can say about you. Quit trying so hard. We all know you’re a smarty pants. We just don’t like you and wish you would go away with your bullying tactics and “make mincemeat out of you” attitude. You aren’t as smart as you think you are, as CRA had nothing to do with the housing crises. I’ve already explained what did. Quit trying to one-up everyone and just state your facts. We’ll be respectful and respond nicely if you do that.
October 2, 2012 at 10:44 am
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Boy, has this digressed. Name Calling. Swearing. Bragging rights over IQ.
This string right here is further evidence that the country is divided. We need someone to re-unite the country. Pull for the greater good of all, not just some special interest group.
In my 49+ years (50 on Sat) as an American Citizen, through my adult life I have never seen things like this before. MArket is hard. What used to be a good product to sell (Group Health) is no longer feasable because of obama Care. ACA should be changed to ACAP – another crime against people.
Another piece on the news this morning that Congress is dragging their feet on things that will spike tax rates across the board.
I advocate to vote against all incumbants. If it were possible, I would advocate the firing of all people in office. Bunch of self serviving jack asses that care about nothing but themselves.
So, go ahead Dems, Blame Bush & the Repub. Go ahead Rep and Blame Dumbs. One thing has become evident with my IQ (I have no clue what that is) Change Needs to happen in November.
October 2, 2012 at 10:52 am
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Happy Birthday FFA. Enjoy yourself. Things will be better in November. Gobama!
October 2, 2012 at 11:10 am
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To Bob – my exact quote was:
“I’m with you, CoolCalm. Too many Chicken Littles running around telling us the sky is falling. If all these people were so smart, what are they doing on this blog? Go out and run the country for crying out loud. Anyone can play fantasy football or Monday morning quarterback. If you think you have all the answers then get in the game! Otherwise, your opinion is the same as anyone elses. And that ain’t alot.”
You said “I defended against two things, whether congress was smarter than I just for being in congress, and whether my IQ was what it was. I think I can use examples so as to show my intellect.”
I did not EVER say the people in Washington were the smartest guys. I said the people on this blog thing they’re so smart, why don’t they run for Congress.
And on the subject of grammar, yours is atrocious. The correct phrase would have been “more quick” or just “quicker”. Ron’s right. Pretty bad for someone with a 156 IQ.
And I didn’t challenge you on your IQ. You mentioned “AN” IQ number of 156 in regards to people in Congress. I just asked if that was your IQ. You are the one defensive about it. I don’t care what your IQ is. You’re still, and always will be, a jackass. So run along and prostulate a series of systems to cure yourself of being a chronic asshole.
October 2, 2012 at 12:07 pm
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Thanks for the B Day wish Libby. I’ll be working Saturday. The big 50 will pass without any fan fare. This has been such a horrific year, I am cheering for December 31st. Obviously not an OBama fan, but at the very least I will know what I have to do moving forward.
October 2, 2012 at 2:47 pm
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Libby:
“It that your IQ, Bob? If so, why aren’t you running?”
Implication is that intelligence corrosponds with people in congress. You said “If”. That was questioning my IQ.
You said:
“If you think you have all the answers then get in the game! Otherwise, your opinion is the same as anyone elses. And that ain’t alot.””
Again, implication is that if you’re not in congress your opinion doesn’t matter. Thus building the picture of your point, that if you’re not in congress your opinion doesn’t matter, and if people are smart, they would be able to be in congress.
Don’t back petal.
And no, Ron was not polite. He asked for a republican answer, got it, and then he tried to wiggle out of it.
He then posted a comment about my comment to do with my IQ to you, something he had no place in, and was myself basically saying I’m well qualified and know what I’m talking about with politics. You said my opinions don’t matter unless I’m in congress, how emotional is that eh Libby? You say you pray for me, because of my horrible emotional issues and numbers. Nah, I care about people, more than you. And don’t try the bullying technique with me, won’t work.
October 2, 2012 at 3:58 pm
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“It that your IQ, Bob? If so, why aren’t you running?”
‘Implication is that intelligence corrosponds with people in congress. You said “If”. That was questioning my IQ.”
No it’s not. I asked if that was your IQ. In a separate question I asked if so, why aren’t you running Mr. Smarty Pants. You know so much, why aren’t you running the country?
“If you think you have all the answers then get in the game! Otherwise, your opinion is the same as anyone elses. And that ain’t alot.””
“Again, implication is that if you’re not in congress your opinion doesn’t matter. Thus building the picture of your point, that if you’re not in congress your opinion doesn’t matter, and if people are smart, they would be able to be in congress.”
The implication is “your” (the collective your) opinion doesn’t mean more than anyone else’s opinion. And that’s not alot. Because opinions are just that. Everyone has one. Not right or wrong. Just an opinion. Nobody has a lock on the opinion game.
You’re paranoid, Bob.
October 2, 2012 at 6:22 pm
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Actually Libby, you said it a second time, you said if I’m so smart why am I not running the country?
That’s a personal comment as well as a conceptual. It’s you saying I’m not smart for one, and for two, it’s saying that people who are smart do run the country.
Not paranoid, just too clever for you to follow. Bored now, later!
October 16, 2012 at 5:57 pm
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Yes, Cool. We should not get excited every time the cost doubles from the CBO projection. Orginally, $495 Billion over 10 years to now estimated at $2.6 Trillion with a T in the same period. I have not seen a downward projection yet, even from the left.
FFA, On a lighter note to you and Always, congratulations to the Bears for handing the Cowgirls their head last night. I am from Texas, but have been so displeased with how the Dallas organization has been run that I have switched over to the Texans who seem to know how to fight and win against better teams. This may be their year from what I have seen so far assuming they don’t have any key injuries that slow them down.
Whats with Dez Bryant? Cant read a blitz – not like the bears are not know to blitz – and cant catch a ball in the wide open field that hits his hands??? At least Hester can return punts. No biz trying to catch balls as a receiver. Thats why he was a corner back in college – bricks for hands. Afraid to take the shot over the middle.
Bryant is a stupid ball player that has not applied himself to his trade despite the millions in signing bonus he received. In fact, the whole team is either stupid or they have bad coaches who can’t teach proper techniques. Romo is stupid for throwing into double coverage, hence 5 interceptions. They will be extremely lucky to be 8-8 this year. Garrett may be ok as an assistant, but he is not head coach material.
Wernt you the one in the other forum beating the Lovie Smith Drum? Gruden made refrence to Lovies how town and surprise, I knew that! Not that anyone cared. I’ve been told my head is full of useless facts before.
Personally, I think he gets a bum rap in Chicago. he has coached longer then Ditka. He has more playoff wins then Ditka. No disrespect to Da Coach – he did win the super bowl. But Lovie needs to get respect too.
Yes I was. Anyone from the sprawling metropolis of Big Sandy, Tx., pop 1,500 cannot be all bad. I admire Lovie a lot for bringing himself up to the pinnacle of coaching in the NFL. It is amazing that he could do that in this “racist” country that the Progressives keep saying we have. We have a black President, a black DOJ and 18% of the Federal Work force is black even though they make up only 12% of the population. The Progressives say we are racists if we object to Obama and his administration. I am not a racist, but I do object vehemently to what they have done to this country in a very short while. As Eastwood said it well, when you haven’t done the job for all the people, it is time for the people to let you go.
October 2, 2012 at 6:29 pm
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Yes. Another example of the opportunity that exists in this country. Jimmy Grahm another example. One of the best in the biz at what he does right out of the school of hard knocks. Enough excuses. Time for people yo look in the mirror.
October 3, 2012 at 10:19 am
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Didnt Opra pull herself out of the getho after being molested as a child?
October 2, 2012 at 11:18 am
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Bob, I think your IQ may be 75-100 points higher than the typical Congressman or Senator in Congress. They must be rationing brains up there like we will have with rationed Healthcare. No rational person of intelligence would think it was a good idea to keep spending $1.4 Trillion more than we take in every year and not do anything about getting the fiscal house in order. Obama and his minions promise more of the same since they know they will be long gone when we have to pay the piper.
FFA, You are right about Oprah. I wonder how she feels now about being called a one percenter who isn’t paying her fair share. I have noticed she has not been as prominent this campaign sharing the stage with the annointed one. Another guy that made it big was Bill Cosby. He has ragged on the Blacks for not having the ambition to get educated, get a job and get out of the ghetto. The opportunities are limitless in this country for people that have the want to. The Progressives really want to keep them down by allowing failing schools to continue, give no vouchers so kids can be sent to good schools. The teachers unions want to perpetuate failure and want no accountability for their performance. Chicago is the most recent example. What a waste of human resources.
Bruce Springsteen is another 1% that campaigned for OBama 4 years ago. I’ll bet he changed his mind.
Bill Cosby has always been preaching that as long as I can remember. I also recall a Graduation Speach that he gave with the same theme. Many of the Black Population were upset for that speach.
Dont know Libbys race, but she has picked herself up and dusted hersellf off. Got back on her feet and spit in the face of adversity.
They won’t do that because they know the majority of Americans would vote it down. They like to be in the position of ramming it down our throat because they know what is best for us, being the elitists that they are. They think we are just clinging to our guns and religion and have no clue what is best for us.
That is fine, but then you have to put EVERY piece of legislation up for a referendum. Boy wouldn’t that be fun. I wonder if the Civil Rights Act would have passed? I wonder if the recent Veterans Jobs bill filibustered by the Republicans in the Senate would have passed?
Not as amny as infrastructure projects the Veterans would be completing. And it would benefit more Americans, not just a few Oil executives in Canada selling the oil to India, Japan and China. Or, do you think we should tell the oil companies that if the oil runs through America, it must stay in America?
September 25, 2012 at 3:07 pm
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Well Ron, lets fire them up – all of them. What is he waiting for?
September 25, 2012 at 4:20 pm
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It’s called Congress. You know, the opposite of progress.
September 26, 2012 at 8:58 pm
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Yep. They have their jobs, why worry about someone else?
September 28, 2012 at 10:41 am
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11 dislikes on my Fire them up comment and only 4 likes. 73.33% of people that expressed an opinion are against job creation right here right now. Today. Sad. Sad. Sad.
October 17, 2012 at 5:27 pm
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Romney is committed to building Keystone which would create 100,000 jobs in short order. He also wants to be energy self sufficient in 10 years. That takes a real commitment to develop all resources, not just solar, battery, switchgrass or algae.
September 26, 2012 at 2:47 pm
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Here is what was voted down…
Wednesday’s vote was 58 Yeas to 40 Nays in favor of S.AMDT.2789, an amendment to the veterans jobs corps bill waiving normal budgetary procedure
They were against waiving “normal budgetary procedure” and Republicans said the spending authorized in the bill violated limits that Congress agreed to last year.
And, fyi, this “jobs bill” would cost us taxpayers another cool $1 billion…….
So it is OK to spend hundreds of billions of dollars to send them to war for us, but we cannot come up with $1 billion for them when they get back? Way to support the Troops!!
September 26, 2012 at 3:35 pm
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Right on, Ron! A big thumbs up!
September 26, 2012 at 8:59 pm
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UGH!!!!
September 27, 2012 at 6:02 pm
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Ron, do you think they were over there keeping the nut jobs busy so as to loimit the chance for them to come over here and do more of the 911 stuff?
Me, personally, wouold not like to find out the hard way.
September 27, 2012 at 6:47 pm
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You have an overwhelmingly pessimistic view on people.
The civil rights bill would have passed with flying colors. Pun intended.
I wonder if the civil rights bill on the alternate side of the fence would have passed were it not for the larger percentage of republicans who voted for it? Republicans also made the civil rights act of 1957. Passing something 7 years later though, and voting for it as a lesser number of percentage, is totally progressive.
Bob, I don’t know if you saw the history of the Civil Rights movement in the article I did. Up until the 1964 Civil Rights legislation, Democrats opposed all prior legislation. In fact, the leader of the pack was the honorable Robert Byrd, (D-WV) who in his younger days rode the horses with a sheet over this head. These Progressive fools think the Republican Party is anti black. The President in office that freed the slaves in the civil war was Abraham Lincoln, (R-IL). It is too bad that airheads like Libby and Planet did not study history or they would see Democrats are at the center of bigotry and hatred in this country. When Biden made his famous racist statement – They are going to keep you in chains, it didn’t sit very well with the largely black audience. He is a dufus fool and it is horrifying to me that he is a heartbeat away from the Presidency.
Agent, you are correct, liberals don’t think in terms of cost or reactions to broad form sweeping legislation like Obummercare. All they want is to make a decision and worry about the consequences later. Then when there is a blow up, the Democrats will make some broad amendment which is a temporary fix untilit blows up.
What this country needs is:
a balanced budget amendment,
a flat tax of 12 to 15 percent with no deductions period
Social Security placed in a trust that can’t be manipulated by the government.
Real border controls and real ICE objectives to deport illegals
a guaranteed percentage of the budget allocated to defense which can’t be manipulated
and an administration thatdoes not alienateour strongest allies while appoligizing to terrorists.
FFA- Amen, I am all for putting Obamacare on the ballot. If it passes it passes, if it does not it goes off the table. Let the people decide. This administration (the one who promised transparancy) ran the bill thru the Democratically controlled house, in the middle of the night and gave no one any time to read it. That was enough for me.
Sargent, A bill that has been as divisive as this one has been for 2 years should be voted on by the people instead of accepting what liberal Progressives have rammed down our throat just because they had a majority in both houses and a sitting Progressive President. A simple up or down vote is all that is necessary. These people have forgotten that they work for us, we don’t work for them. We, the People expressed our displeasure in Nov 2010 about the passage of this bill and we got rid of a bunch of Congressmen who signed onto it. The biggest shellacking of the Democrats in 40 years should have sent a message. We will have to send another in Nov 12 to do a bunch more until we get Representatives and Senators who look out for us and not ideology or special interests.
Ania;
I am thinking about my family and my tax bill shows it. I am tired of being taxed when most of the Obama voters pay NO TAX. 47% of the people in this country pay no federal income tax. I think it is time for them to pay their fair share and quit complaining about how the “rich” people need to pay more. If they pay nothing who is not paying their fair share?
You *do* know that it’s the red states that have the highest amount of non-tax paying people, right? The highest being Mississippi, Georgia and Arkansas.
But you just keep on spouting about how they’re all Obama supporters.
Some of you people make no sense. You gripe and complain about entitlement and having to pay for deadbeats that have healthcare and depend on Medicaid, yet you turn around and gripe that some Americans will be forced to purchase health insurance. What would make you happy??? This tax only affects people that choose not to purchase insurance. It doesn’t apply to those that already have coverage. Get a grip and quit exaggerating about the “tax” that will not even affect the majority of you.
Do you really believe that Libby that it is a tax that will not affect the majority of us. What happens when Obamacare becomes insolvent? Without healthcare reform, the costs will continue to go up. If you are in insurance, higher losses mean higher premiums. In this case, taxes…according to the “supreme” court. The cost will eventually affect us all.
Still no answer. Bloggers from either side can answer as I am just surious.
September 28, 2012 at 4:03 pm
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FFA – no answer because no-one knows what you’re talking about. We are insurance people, not paid bloggers.
September 25, 2012 at 2:03 pm
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OBama living somewhere other then the White House.
Illiegal imigrants deported. Billary not appoligizing to terrorists. Not having to answer the phone to hear another Commercial Client closing their doors. Govt to keep their greedy ego driven hands out of my pockets. Tort Reform. NFL Reff strike to end. The Cubs to win a World Series before I die. Oh, and maybe the Bears to win another SB.
Libby, You are not showing much compassion for the 6 million+ in the Middle Class that will be taxed under Obamacare. You liberals complain that us Conservatives have no compassion and you are willing to throw the Middle Class under the bus just like your President does each day. He famously said he would not raise taxes on the Middle Class and now he says – Lean over Middle Class, we are not through yet. We have had enough of this pervayer of untruth.
Libby–it doesn’t matter what you ‘meant’ to say. A tax is a tax is a tax. Get it? Obamacare is a tax. Here are just a few of them that will go into effect in 2013. I may have just copied/pasted, but these have been fact-checked, and are true. Make sure you read all the way to the bottom:
1.) The ObamaCare Medical Device Manufacturing Tax:
This is a 2.3% tax on medical device makers will raise the price of every pacemaker, prosthetic limb, stent, and operating table, etc. Can you tell me how taxing medical devices will reduce the cost of health care?
2.) The ObamaCare High Medical Bills Tax:
This tax provision will hit Americans facing the highest out-of-pocket medical bills. Currently, Americans are allowed to deduct medical expenses on their 1040 form to the extent the costs exceed 7.5 percent of one’s adjusted gross income. The new ObamaCare provision will raise that threshold to 10 percent, subjecting patients to a higher tax bill. This tax will hit pre-retirement seniors the hardest. Over the next ten years, affected Americans will pony up a minimum total of $15 billion in taxes thanks to this provision.
3.) The ObamaCare Flexible Spending Account Cap:
The 24 million Americans who have Flexible Spending Accounts will face a new federally imposed $2,500 annual cap. These pre-tax accounts, which currently have no federal limit, are used to purchase everything from contact lenses to children’s braces. With the cost of braces being as high as $7,200, this tax provision will play an unwelcome role in everyday kitchen-table health care decisions. The cap will also affect families with special-needs children, whose tuition can be covered using FSA funds. Special-needs tuition can cost up to $14,000 per child per year. This cruel tax provision will limit the options available to such families, all so that the federal government can squeeze an additional $13 billion out of taxpayer pockets over the next ten years. The targeting of FSAs by President Obama and congressional Democrats is no accident. The progressive left has never been fond of the consumer-driven accounts, which serve as a small roadblock in their long-term drive for a one-size-fits-all government health care bureaucracy. For further proof, note the ObamaCare “medicine cabinet tax” which since 2011 has barred the 13.5 million Americans with Health Savings Accounts from purchasing over-the-counter medicines with pre-tax funds.
4.) The ObamaCare Surtax on Investment Income:
Under current law, the capital gains tax rate for all Americans rises from 15 to 20 percent in 2013, while the top dividend rate rises from 15 to 39.6 percent. The new ObamaCare surtax takes the top capital gains rate to 23.8 percent and top dividend rate to 43.4 percent. The tax will take a minimum of $123 billion out of taxpayer pockets over the next ten years
5.) The ObamaCare Medicare Payroll Tax increase:
This tax soaks employers to the tune of $86 billion over the next ten years.
As you can understand, there is a reason why the authors of ObamaCare wrote the law in such a way that the most brutal tax increases take effect conveniently after the 2012 election. It’s the same reason President Obama, congressional Democrats, and the mainstream media conveniently neglect to mention these taxes and prefer that you simply “move on” after the Supreme Court ruling.
Thank you CT Agent. Another one the left doesn’t want to talk about is the excise tax if you sell your home. What was that tax doing in a Healthcare Bill? You know what, with all the city, county, school district, property taxes, Federal Income taxes, Obamacare taxes, death taxes, it is a wonder anyone has any disposable income left after they get through with us.
Libby, this has been discussed, debated for month after month but this tax for selling your home sailed right over your head. Bob and Sarah both pointed this out to you on numerous occasions. Perhaps your Huffington Post did not have that in their site so you missed it. Trust me, it is in there. That should help revitalize home sales, right?
That’s why I missed it. I never pay attention to anything Bob or Sarah have to say.
September 25, 2012 at 4:03 pm
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You haven’t read about the excise tax (which you must’ve skimmed over, because it’s in there..)…ok…but what about the 5 I’ve listed above? Are you actually saying that you agree that these are taxes and not penalties? Dare I think that you are?
Perhaps you should refer to my response posted below. Yes, they are taxes, but you did not include all the facts about those taxes. Not one of them is aimed at “middle income” Americans.
“And the medical device mfg tax is in the process of being repealed if I’m not mistaken. The payroll tax will not apply to companies that provide health insurance options to their employees. And then only if one of their employees qualifies for the tax credit. The increase in capital gains tax applies only to Americans making more than $250k. If you’re going to quote “facts” at least include ALL the facts and not just the ones supporting your position.”
That was response about the 3 of the 5 taxes you mentioned above.
September 25, 2012 at 4:12 pm
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The sales tax on home sales. Even I knew that one. You are a much better researcher then am I or maybe its that I am not paid to blog and you are. None the less, way to help home sales, huh? Another Living the American Dream Tax. Thanks pres.
I saw this tax and thought it pretty much irrelevant given the current economic situation. And again, you only mention part of the story and not the whole story. The 3.8% tax is imposed only on the amount over the capital gains threshold. With the decline in home prices, it is not likely that most middle class Americans will make any capital gains on a home sale, let alone an amount over that. This is rabid right wing propoganda designed to get everyone frothing at the mouth and in a panic about Obama. Nothing more.
September 26, 2012 at 9:01 pm
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Do you consider this irrelavant because you no longer own a home?
September 27, 2012 at 8:39 am
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I consider it irrelavant “in this current economy” because it doesn’t apply unless you make over a $250,000 GAIN on your house. Highly unlikely with this housing market. You’d have to have bought your house for $100,000 and sold it for OVER $350,000 for this tax to apply. Yeah. Right. It will, however, apply to all the folks out there with alot of money that are gobbling up houses dirt cheap (as someone said on this blog) and turn around and sell them when the market improves. That is their plan. Spur a recession, keep their wealth, gobble up assets for pennies on the dollar, and make millions. It’s why the rich only get richer.
And, yes, I do own a home.
September 27, 2012 at 6:08 pm
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That tax may be irrelavant to our generation. But, my grand kids and their kids are going to get stuck with it.
September 27, 2012 at 6:53 pm
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My parents bought their house for $180,000. It is now worth $450,000 in this economy, even while down. It would be worth more in tune with $600,000.
My Grandparents have two houses in California. They paid $40,000 for these houses. They are now worth $500,000 a piece. They are not rich. This happens with home owners who have owned a home for some time. This happens with a crap ton of seniors, and it happens with a crap town of 50 something’s who bought a home early.
We want people to have more money when they are self sufficient. Not less. If you honestly believe the norm is not a $250,000 increase in property value you are a fool. If you do not understand that inflation causes the value increase, and thus my parents didn’t EARN anything, and thus shouldn’t be taxed, you are a fool.
California has always been a wierd real estate state and homes were always priced a lot higher than the rest of the country. I had an Aunt that lived in Whittier, Ca and they bought it after WW11 for about $40,000. It was a simple little stucco house and when it was sold after she died, it was sold for about $400,000. I can’t get my mind around that since it wouldn’t have brought $100,000 in most of the rest of the country.
September 25, 2012 at 3:23 pm
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Hi Agent, Libby does seem to be very quiet. I think you two have taken the hot air out of her sails!
She was just getting her second wind Always as you can see by her numerous retorts. On one of the previous blogs, she got so frustrated with Bob, she told him to shut up when he kept telling her to prove her points and patiently tried to show her the error of her ways. Libby is a good person, but it is a shame she has fallen into the trap of believing liberal propoganda.
For the sake of argument Libby, suppose you had a successful manager type employee who was not under water on his mortgage and was offered a promotion with his company to move to another state. He must sell his home and yet finds that he will have the 3.8% excise tax applied to the sale. I know this is a rarity in this country due to economic conditions, but is it fair for a Health Insurance bill to impose this kind of tax on something that has nothing to do with Health Insurance? This is just another example of how liberal Progressive politicians loaded up this bill with all kinds of new taxes to rape the American people and yes this guy would fit the Middle Class.
I have managed to give better than I have gotten from Libby. With all her rantings and ravings, she still hasn’t answered why her President has thrown the Middle Class under the bus which is the topic of this article.
I have already read about those taxes. The “tax” I am referring to is the referenced in the article to which this blog is attached. It refers to the “tax”/penalty that will be applied to those Americans that choose not to purchase health insurance. Many because they can’t afford it. The exchanges are designed to make the costs more affordable and some people will qualify for tax subsidies to purchase their insurance. Since no-one knows exactly how this is all going to shake out, it is premature to scream that healthcare is going to cost more than it does already. With more people insured, the cost should go down – not up. And the medical device mfg tax is in the process of being repealed if I’m not mistaken. The payroll tax will not apply to companies that provide health insurance options to their employees. And then only if one of their employees qualifies for the tax credit. The increase in capital gains tax applies only to Americans making more than $250k. If you’re going to quote “facts” at least include ALL the facts and not just the ones supporting your position.
I’m Always Amazed by the rhetoric that comes from you. You don’t know what the costs are going to do. Projections are just that. Projections. You are against it so you say costs will go up. I’m for it so I say costs will go down. Nobody knows for sure at this point. It’s too soon to tell.
And I have plenty of hot air in my sails. Thank you very much.
Has anyone noticed that Libby gets more dislikes than likes? Quite the opposite from CT Agent, Agent, and most others.
September 26, 2012 at 12:45 pm
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And your point, James? To me it means most of the bloggers on this site are white, middle-class, Republican males. Not surprising I would get more thumbs down than up. I don’t take it personally. There are plenty of other sites where the majority would be liking the hell out of me. But then again, those are where the 47% post, so you wouldn’t know anything about them.
October 19, 2012 at 9:29 pm
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I never did reply to your reply, sorry. However, I am not a Republican. Still not voting for Obummer, though!
September 25, 2012 at 3:33 pm
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Libby, Are you talking about Obamacare that has been re-scored to cost $2.6 Trillion with a T? How is that more affordable? The tax penalty will hurt the Middle Class, no doubt about it. Who do you think will pay for the so called subsidies given to people that cannot afford the insurance? Ask Taxachusetts if their Healthcare costs have declined because more people are insured in that state. The theory is faulty. They have no Tort Reform, do not have a competitive marketplace and it is over utilized so costs are still spiraling and Taxachusetts is having to cut back on their program, similar to what Great Britain has been doing to their National Health Service. Rationed care, poor quality of service is what this is all about. Why are you signing onto throwing the Middle Class under the bus?
Agent, you cite debits without mentioning credits. You don’t mention any cuts that will offset any of the cost. Obama has already explained in detail how this will be paid for. But since you loathe him so much I’m sure you discredit what he’s says. So what’s the point? You believe what you believe and I’ll believe what I believe and we’ll see each other at the polls. It’s the American way, thank goodness!
Yes, but how much longer will it be the American way, Libby? Obama and his warped regime are doing everything in their power to take our freedoms away….do you read/listen to any news other than mainstream left media? Apparently not because if you did, you would know that he’s already signed a bill taking away more of our freedoms to protest. H.R. 347…read the modifications it’s made to senate bill S 1794..is this not more of an infringement on our first amendment rights? This president has trampled on our Constitution and is getting away with it. What has happened to our beautiful country? A liberal-progressive, apologetic, socialist in the White House, that’s what.
September 26, 2012 at 12:54 pm
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CT Agent, you and the other foaming at the mouth, radical, FOXNews watching Republicans need to CALM DOWN AND CATCH A GRIP! Do you ever look at these bills or read the legislature before you start spreading your propaganda all over the airwaves? This bill, passed by a Republican Congress I might add, does ONLY the following:
Restricts protesting in these areas:
(1) the White House or its grounds or the Vice President’s official residence or its grounds,
(2) a building or grounds where the President or other person protected by the Secret Service is or will be temporarily visiting, or
(3) a building or grounds so restricted due to a special event of national significance.
Now, just what in the hell is wrong with that and how does it further strip us of our right to protest?
September 25, 2012 at 4:00 pm
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Just the fact that the numbers have changed so often and so drastically shows nobody knows what they will truly end up being.
But the numbers that are changing are always going up! Without real reform and competition, the costs are always going to go up. And by the way, Obama has not explained in detail how it will be paid for. He has provided his normal half truth rhetoric that the average sheep will say BAAH (okay in sheep language)!! Insurance 101…if the insurance carrier is spending $1.25 for every $1.00 it collects, it has to raise its rates. Over-utilization caused by the lack of tort reform is increasing expenses. Nothing has been done to correct this.
In theory, adding more people who don’t buy insurance could add more premium, if they don’t get sick. Do you really think the majority of uninsured people are healthy and don’t need care? The reality is that they are more likely to utilize services since they are now paying for it.
September 25, 2012 at 7:17 pm
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Oh and by the way, according to HHS “the Affordable Care Act requires health insurance issuers to submit data on the proportion of premium revenues spent on clinical services and quality improvement, also known as the Medical Loss Ratio (MLR). It also requires them to issue rebates to enrollees if this percentage does not meet minimum standards. MLR requires insurance companies to spend at least 80% or 85% of premium dollars on medical care, with the review provisions imposing tighter limits on health insurance rate increases. If they fail to meet these standards, the insurance companies will be required to provide a rebate to their customers starting in 2012.”
Sounds nice…the gov’t penalizing those big bad insurance companies. I ask you, what company (much less than an insurance company) can operate on an expense ratio of 15% – 20% and be profitable? (I forgot, the Democrats hate profitable companies).
The health insurers will either have to go out of business (enter socialized health care – which I think Obamas ultimate goal is) or to raise premiums to meet the mandated ratios. But the gov’t has caps on the raising of premiums, so, eventually, private health care insurers will go out of business.
September 25, 2012 at 9:38 pm
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And that not knowing dont bother you? You know politicians lie. This one is from IL – Its politician Lying College here. He went to the Harvard of lying schools – Crook County.
September 25, 2012 at 4:17 pm
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What I find interesting is the lack of understanding of taxes by the liberals. They think a tax has an impact on a small number of people, like the medical device manufacturer. Or the hospitals. What a bunch of nincompoops. It does but guess who ultimately pays for the tax? The people do and that includes the middle class, lower middle class etc. The tax is passed on in the cost of the equipment, the treatment to the patient etc. The only group exempt are the deadbeats,illegal aliens etc who won’t pay for anything anyway. The liberals are so bent on “helping” the middle class that they often just do more harm than good.
This is the same thing that happenedin Taxachusetts. Their healthcare plan drove new taxes and old taxes up plus new fees on about everything. The one difference? Taxachusetts has a balanced budget amendmentsothe taxes had to go up quickly to offset the cost ofthe healthcare plan. Great
Sargent, I agree that liberals have no understanding of how taxes impact business and the folks. You may have seen the story of the Medical Device Manufacturer in Indiana who wanted to build a new plant and expand their business. When Obamacare was passed and the new tax would be levied on them, they decided against it and so a couple of hundred new jobs were not created. This is just one example of how the law beats down business. Is it any wonder that business is just waiting until after November to see what the business climate will be? Did you notice that Libby just cannot answer why the President has chosen to throw the middle class under the bus with these new taxes. Her spin is pretty much nonsense.
PPACA’s provisions are intended to be funded by a variety of taxes and offsets. Major sources of new revenue include a much-broadened Medicare tax on incomes over $200,000 and $250,000, for individual and joint filers respectively, an annual fee on insurance providers, and a 40% excise tax on “Cadillac” insurance policies. The income levels are not adjusted for inflation, with bracket creep eventually increasing taxes on middle incomes.[36] There are also taxes on pharmaceuticals, high-cost diagnostic equipment, and a 10% federal sales tax on indoor tanning services. Offsets are from intended cost savings such as changes in the Medicare Advantage program relative to traditional Medicare.[37]
Summary of tax increases: (ten year projection)
Increase Medicare tax rate by .9% and impose added tax of 3.8% on unearned income for high-income taxpayers: $210.2 billion
Charge an annual fee on health insurance providers: $60 billion
Impose a 40% excise tax on health insurance annual premiums in excess of $10,200 for an individual or $27,500 for a family: $32 billion
Impose an annual fee on manufacturers and importers of branded drugs: $27 billion
Impose a 2.3% excise tax on manufacturers and importers of certain medical devices:$20 billion
Raise the 7.5% Adjusted Gross Income floor on medical expenses deduction to 10%: $15.2 billion
Limit annual contributions to flexible spending arrangements in cafeteria plans to $2,500: $13 billion
All other revenue sources: $14.9 billion
Summary of spending offsets: (ten year projection)
Reduce funding for Medicare Advantage policies: $132 billion
Reduce Medicare home health care payments: $40 billion
Reduce certain Medicare hospital payments: $22 billion
Original budget estimates included a provision to require information reporting on payments to corporations, which had been projected to raise $17 billion, but the provision was repealed.
And I think I mentioned the manufacturing device mfg tax was in the process of being appealed, if I’m not mistaken.
And the cost is $2.6T over 10 years. That’s alot different than implying it is $2.6T per year.
You make our point Libby. All the things you list are bad for business, doctors, hospitals, medical device manufacturers. Why didn’t you list a crack down on fraud in Medicare & Medicaid? It is estimated there is somewhere between $100-150 Billion per year either wasted or lost due to fraud that the government does not catch. By the way, I did not say that the cost was $2.6 Trillion per year. The original bill was scored at $495 Billion over 10 years and now it is $2.6 Trillion on the same period of time. Of course, if they score it again, we may see over $3 Trillion over 10 years. Totally unafffordable and unsustainable.
How much money is going to Pakistan as a percentage of the whole? There is a diplomatic purpose for providing money to certain other countries. We don’t necessarily do it because we’re nice guys. We want something in return. Cooperation, access, whatever.
September 27, 2012 at 6:14 pm
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How many Americans can be fed with that small percentage? Why on Earth do we send money to them especially when they carry out Terriost acts against us? Why does Billary feel the need to appoligize to murders? Why are we not taking action? This guy is our Comander in Chief?
Had a near miss in Chicago a few weeks back. Did you miss that? They are here and we are funding them. WHY? Go ask your boss some average Joe from Chicago wants to know that answer.
September 26, 2012 at 8:54 am
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Libby…is someone paying you to post this rhetoric?? If so, I hope it’s worth selling your soul for.
That’s a good one CT Agent! Actually made me smile. Me, selling MY soul?? No. I’m not the one advocating leaving millions of Americans with no healthcare to fend for themselves. I’m not the Wall Street banker robbing Americans of every penny they’ve ever earned. Those people have no soul to sell.
No. You are just advocating leaving millions of people dependent on government handouts. I, for one, am sickened by liberal progressives like you. Do you really think you are going to have the same lifestyle that you have now after all of Obamacare goes into effect? I don’t know what your lifestyle is–other than you being a liberal, but you’d better enjoy yourself because it’s going to change..drastically. I can’t believe that you see all of this as the government wanting to help people! What ever happened to people helping themselves?! Oh…that’s right. That’s not the way this government wants it to be. If it were, we wouldn’t be having this debate.
September 26, 2012 at 3:01 pm
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The Government is SUPPOSED to take care of the people. That’s the purpose of it. We pay money and in return we are provided services and infrastructure. Jeez. Take a civics lesson.
And as far as being “dependant” on the government, no. Giving access to affordable healthcare to those that to who would otherwise have no access can hardly be described as “dependant upon”.
Uptight, priggish conservatives who are holier than thou make me sick to my stomach. I am not saying that’s you, but if the shoe fits…
September 26, 2012 at 3:19 pm
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It’s a Government OF the people, BY the people, FOR the people, Libby. Not the other way around.
September 26, 2012 at 3:42 pm
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It’s not the other way around CT:
OF the people – these people are “us”.
BY the people – we voted them into office.
FOR the people – proves the point of my previous post.
September 26, 2012 at 3:45 pm
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Libby, do you realize the taxes and offsets you listed equal <$400 Billion and the cost is $2.6 TRILLION over that same 10 year period. Obviously, the math and civics you learned was incorrect. The Govt role is not to take care of people. With regards to the millions of people without it, it is <10% of the population. Also, that was what Medicare was suppose to do, take care of the few that couldn't afford it. We see how well the govt ran that.
Our society has always provided for its citizens from a private, charitable source. Churches, food banks have found ways to support their local communities, which is the way it should be.
Unfortunately, Obama is also trying to change the tax laws to reduce the tax credit for charitable giving, forcing lower donations and creating a bigger reliance on the govt. Oh, and some of the taxes listed above, will still hit the middle class because they won't be able to write off as much as they could previously, thereby increasing their tax obligation. These are hidden tax increases that the Democrats never talk about and the sheep that get their info from NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN and MSNBC never investigate.
I said it before…a partial truth is STILL A LIE!! Integrity matters and Obama has none.
September 26, 2012 at 3:47 pm
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meant to say…without healthcare
September 26, 2012 at 7:29 pm
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The government cannot take care of the people. They do not cause growth, they take from the total dollars.
You pay one tax dollar, you get one tax dollar. This means if you took care of yourself, most of the time you are ahead.
With private growth, you pay someone 5 dollars, they reinvest it, and there is growth overall.
The only way the government can work as you have described is to tax more out of the rich. The rich provide for the poor. So you’re taxing out of the poor when you tax from the rich, whether it’s higher costs, or it’s lower wages. Plus, every dollar you take from them is not reinvested. If a company has 4% annual growth, every dollar you take from them is now losing 4% compounded annually as you take it (so over 10 years this amount is huge), as well as the amount given to someone else is needed every time a job is destroyed.
September 27, 2012 at 8:45 am
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Tax money IS reinvested. Into our country. If you think of it as a business, you reinvest in your business by buying new equipment, renovating your property, providing benefits for your workers. It’s no different with tax dollars being invested into the country’s infrastructure, defense, citizens. Just because it is no reinvested in the private sector does not mean it is not reinvested. It is reinvested in those things that an individual could not do themselves. ie. build a road, a dam, a bridge, an army, etc. That is the purpose of government – to support and take care of the people.
September 27, 2012 at 1:07 pm
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You said ” It is reinvested in those things that an individual could not do themselves. ie. build a road, a dam, a bridge, an army, etc.”.
I agree, these are the things the govt is supposed to do because an individual cannot do it for themselves. But an individual can get a job and at least try to take care of themselves. And I’m talking only about those that live off the govt and have no intentions of getting a job. I’m talking about the rampant fraud where people manipulate the system with multiple addresses, that divorce their spouses to show a perceived lower income and still live with their spouses.
Do you think it is fair for people who are on welfare, that pay nothing in taxes, that they should get a tax refund? How can a person get a refund if they did not pay anything in the first place. Again, I’m not talking about a low income family that gets all of their taxes back and “zeroes” out their tax burden. I’m talking about those they never paid any taxes in the first place.
September 27, 2012 at 1:37 pm
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Libby: The stimulus, included about $300 billion in tax cuts, $450 billion in economic stimulus.
Each job costed about $200,000 and was temporary.
The GDP growth was about 2%, also known as: $280 billion dollars. We paid $450 billion in stimulus, the economy grew by $280 billion (which is 2% of 14 trillion). That is a factor of losing nearly 1 dollar for every dollar invested.
The government cannot cause more growth by distributing dollars than a private business can. End of story.
September 27, 2012 at 1:38 pm
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Libby:
And my last comment? That’s assuming the stimulus resulted in ALL the growth that year.
To which I say, that is impossible.
September 27, 2012 at 2:09 pm
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Libby:
And I should note that was me being nice, because if you really believe the middle class having money actually helps growth I should have included that. At which point we spent $780 billion technically, and resulted in $280 billion of growth. Losing 3 dollars for every one the government touched.
I aslo should note the government has a cost. So actually, even my premise of $1 dollar in, $1 dollar out is wrong. It’s actually 1 dollar in, more like 80 cents out. So 4% annual compounded growth could double in ten years. You could lose 80 cents to the dollar each year, or earn 1.04 cents to the dollar each year compounded annually, which goes back into the economy. Your choice.
September 27, 2012 at 6:16 pm
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CT, its a job for her. At least we are not supporting her.
Libby, You can’t be serious. Look at what you have. Anual fee, Annual fee, excise tax, annual fee on healthcare providers etc. Ultimately who do you think eats these fees and taxes? The middle class. You know why? There isn’t enough of the so called “rich” people. The very people Obummer is saying he is trying to help. It even states in the article that it will impact the middle class.
So, who else pays the tab. Cuts is Medicare. The seniors, great let’s have granny and grandpa suffer. Just so we can make healthcare poor for all. Let’s also make medicare payments so cheap that hospitals, doctors etc can’t make any money so everyone will get crap healthcare Like I have said previously.
I will say this again. This country can’t fund this t*rd and it will be a burden and a problem for this country unless it is repealed.
So Libby, where did all that Trillion Dollar Stimulus go to create jobs and build the infrastructure? Oops, your President had to admit that the shovel ready jobs weren’t there afterall. Your President invested our tax dollars into political payoffs and failed green companies that created only a few temporary jobs until they went belly up after they used their loan money up. Everytime we hear the word “investment”, that is the code word for spending more of our tax money wastefully and with no positive effect. By the way, what hs the Transportation Dept been doing with their multi-billion dollar budget if they haven’t been maintaining our roads and bridges? That is what they are supposed to do and instead, we need a supplemental stimulus bill to do what they should have been doing for decades. They are about as useful as the Energy Dept who was charged with developing our Energy resources to make us less dependent on foreign sources and we are more dependent than ever and they won’t allow development on Federal Land or approve Keystone that would actually create private sector jobs. What a joke!
Oh, you’re so witty and funny CT Agent! I’m sure you’re such a fox and I should be swooning all over you. Not.
You’re the hater here, bud.
September 26, 2012 at 3:20 pm
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It’s comical how you think I’m a guy. It really is.
September 26, 2012 at 3:43 pm
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Tell me you aren’t. And be honest.
September 26, 2012 at 5:03 pm
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Isn’t that fat, blue ankles??? Ha Ha, that did make me laugh!!
September 26, 2012 at 9:17 pm
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WOW. Cat fight. Can I watch (Oink)?
We all keep arguing our side when all of our minds are made up.
September 27, 2012 at 10:15 am
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I.am.not.a.man. I.am.a.woman. honest.injun.
Are you finding it hard to believe that I am a woman, Libby? Is it because I do not agree with your liberal progressive leaning? I’m sure you’re one of those that also thinks there’s a war on women in this country.
September 27, 2012 at 10:19 am
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No woman would be stupid enough to be a Mets fan.
September 27, 2012 at 11:29 am
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Meow.
September 27, 2012 at 11:35 am
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Now that we know you are a woman and a fox, there is nothing more attractive than a foxy Conservative woman who doesn’t mind tangling with a Progressive woman like Libby. My personal favorites are Dr. Monica Crowley and Michelle Malkin. They speak the truth with conviction and they are very easy on the eyes.
Actually Comrade, I watch all of them to see how each spin truth. And by far, MSNBC is the worst. They flat out lie. I saw Chris matthews on Bill Maher spout “when Obama took office, the unemployment rate was over 12%, now it is down to 8.3%”. What a bunch of BS. Of course the audience loved it because they are too stupid to remember that Obama had to pass the stimulus bill to keep un employment from going OVER 8%.
How many times has NBC, ABC & CBS had to retract and apologize for a story that they spun to make the republicans look bad? A lot more than Fox has, that is for sure.
Another clear cut case that this man whom some call President has no idea what he’s doing or creating. He has to go!! One step closer to the cliff he’s dragging us to.
Mark, I do agree that he has to go due to what he is doing. I disagree with you that he has no idea what he is doing or creating. He knows perfectly well what he is doing. He is following the script perfectly with instructions from Soros and all the other Progressive Socialists we have in this government. That is why this is such a dangerous moment in time for this country. Do we want a country run by people like this or do we want to stick with the Constitution and a free market society that will allow all Americans to pursue the American Dream. Personally, I like what the wise founding fathers established and it made the United States of America the envy of the world for over 200 years.
Agent,
I find it amazing that you mention how much you “like what the wise founding fathers established and it made the United States of America the envy of the world for over 200 years” and yet think one individual could destroy it.
This is not in defense of Obama so save me all your anti-Obama crap. It is to illustrate the lengths Republicans will go with their hyperbole in order to scare people into voting against Obama.
Geez, Ron. Didn’t one of your first posts here say that you weren’t yet decided as to whom you will be voting for? Seems to me you knew all along who it is going to be.
I am waiting for the debates. I want to see each candidate respond to questions without a canned speech and/or teleprompter. At this point, I am leaning toward Obama because Romney has yet to sell himself to me and I cannot be alone. Just look at the polls. Even Fox News has Obama ahead. He should be destroying Obama if the economy and Obama’s foreign policy were half as bad as the Republicans keep saying it is.
I am also curious what the Republicans’ top priority will be if he is re-elected since it can no longer be to make him a one-term President. Maybe they will put the American people back on the top of their priority list where we belong.
September 26, 2012 at 9:23 pm
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“Maybe they will put the American people back on the top of their priority list where we belong”
WELL SAID!!!! This statement alone is why you should not vote for oBama. The American People are not at the top of the priority list.
AGAIN, WELL SAID!!!! BRAVO! I hope every incumbant – either side of the table – gets voted out. CAN THEM ALL! EVERY ONE OF THEM!!!
VOTE OUT ALL INCUMBANTS!
September 27, 2012 at 10:17 am
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No-bama is the KING of tele-prompter reading!!!
September 26, 2012 at 5:52 pm
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Ron, I think you asked why should you vote for Romney before and Agent gave some pretty good reasons. Two questions..Why should you vote for Obama? What improvements has he made to bolster the economy and create jobs?
Yes, he some pretty good reasons assuming the job creators use the lower taxes and less regulations to hire and pay higher wages. Unless he attaches some sort of conditions requiring companies to do these things, which he won’t, he is just giving more profits to the companies at the expense of someone, likely the middle class.
My biggest concern is that he thinks 47% of the people are dependent on the government, feel entitled to food, housing and health care, and are not responsible for their lives. He indicated that he was referring to the 47% who do not pay federal income taxes. I fall into this 47% because I am the sole provider in my house with 3 children. i have never received welfare, food stamps or Medicaid and have never missed a mortgage payment. If he wants to increase my taxes so I have skin in the game, I am OK with that. Just say so and accept the fact that I will be giving the government more money and putting less into the private sector. Are you OK with that?
September 26, 2012 at 7:34 pm
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Actually, he wants to lower taxes for everybody. Unfortunately, the statement was too broad and not qualified (and as usual, the context of the entire message was not released). You, rightfully pay no taxes as the tax laws allow. He was speaking about the people who are dependent upon the government, that have their life sustained by the govt, by their choice. Some people are dependent upon the govt not by choice, but by circumstance. Those people are constantly trying to help themselves…not help themselves to more govt money and programs.
With regards to attaching conditions, no president or law can dictate that (yet). However, our capitalist structure automatically incentivises businesses to grow when they are allowed to. When small businesses do not have to worry about increasing taxes or healthcare costs via mandates, it frees up capital and encourages them to hirer people and grow their business. This was proven to work during the Reagan years. The steps and measures that Reagan took turned the ship so that the economy was ripe to grom during the Clinton years.
September 26, 2012 at 7:41 pm
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Additionally, in regards to giving more money to the govt, that is exactly what Obama and the democrats are going to do. There is no possible way to pay for the additional debt that Obama created than to raise taxes. And if you think only the rich and the big corporations are going to foot the bill, you are naive. More expenses to the corporations mean higher costs to everyone, including the middle class. It is common sense.
If Obama and the democrats really cared about jobs and the middle class, why didn’t they make that their priority when they had control of all the branches of govt? The cost of gas and unemployment would look a whole lot different now if they would have agreed to the Keystone pipeline opportunity.
September 27, 2012 at 10:43 am
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“Actually, he wants to lower taxes for everybody.”
Integrity, he has not shown us his plan for tax cuts. Nobody knows what he plans to do, as evidenced by his speech in Ohio yesterday. He won’t say at what income level tax cuts would begin or what deductions &/or exemptions he will be getting rid of.
You just have faith that he will “lower taxes for everybody”. That’s hardly possible given the amount of debt we’re in. That’s pie-in-the-sky talk. And you shouldn’t promote it in your zeal to have him elected because it will just make people mad when, after 4 years in office, they’re taxes are not lower.
September 27, 2012 at 11:27 am
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Libby, We KNOW he won’t repeal the Bush tax cuts that Obama and the Dem’s want to do. The repealing will be equal to a tax increase. And don’t give me it is only on the rich. Small business owners making over $250K a year are not rich because they are pouring that money back into their business to help it survive.
You said “That’s hardly possible given the amount of debt we’re in.” At least you admit we are in severe debt. Obama is “promising” to grow the economy by giving the middle and lower class more money. Talk about pie-in-the-sky talk. Where is he going to get that money, especially if there are no jobs. He wants to take money away from the small business owner because their rich, which is going to prevent them from growing and hiring.
Use some common sense.
September 27, 2012 at 6:19 pm
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We have become the joke of the world. Our citizens get murdered and Com in Chief send Billary on tv to appoligize to the murders.
It doesn’t seem so long ago that Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan gushed all over each other and patted themselves on the back for all of the budget cutting and deregulation they had in the works. Now, according to Politico’s chief political columnist, Roger Simon, the thrill is gone.
Though Ryan had already decided to distance himself from the floundering Romney campaign, he now feels totally uninhibited. Reportedly, he has been marching around his campaign bus, saying things like, “If Stench calls, take a message” and “Tell Stench I’m having finger sandwiches with Peggy Noonan and will text him later.”
Even before the stench article appeared, there was a strong sign that Ryan was freeing himself from the grips of the Romney campaign. It began after his disastrous appearance on Friday before AARP in New Orleans. Ryan delivered his remarks in the style dictated by his Romney handlers: Stand behind the lectern, read the speech as written and don’t stray from the script.
Ryan brought his 78-year-old mother with him and introduced her to the audience, which is usually a sure crowd pleaser.
But when Ryan began talking about repealing “Obamacare” because he said it would harm seniors, one woman in the crowd shouted, “Lie!” Another shouted “Liar!” and the crowd booed Ryan lustily.
Who boos a guy in front of his 78-year-old mother? Other 78-year-old mothers.
That was Friday, and that was the end of Ryan following the game plan.
Sound familiar?
Well, it should. Sarah “I Can See Russia From My House” Palin, decided to “go rogue” after it became apparent that GOP presidential hopeful John McCain was going to lose — badly — to President Barack Obama.
This time around, it’s gotten so bad, the hashtag #MoviesWithTheStench is trending on Twitter.
Note to Mitt: If this is true, it looks like your number 2 has jumped ship. You’re in this one alone.
“Well, it should. Sarah “I Can See Russia From My House” Palin, decided to “go rogue” after it became apparent that GOP presidential hopeful John McCain was going to lose — badly — to President Barack Obama.” With the help of Acorn who had a guy who voted for Obama 56 times. If someone whould have said the same about of McCain you democrats whould have screamed bloody murder. You don’t see Acorn around any more; do you? Thank goodnes for that. Obama got in becuase of illegal votes, a media who thought he was the Messiah, who was a smooth talker and hoodwinked a lot of stupid people with all his now broken promisses. Any one who votes for this man is delusional.
Always, delusional is putting it mildly. The posts put out by Planet are downright stupid and he is in full attack mode since his leaders have nothing to offer the country but more of the same failed nonsense we have had to endure for the last 4 years. What are we down to, 42 days and we can free ourselves from the shackles of tyranny?
Hey Libby, the Republicans were not the ones out using Acorn to register Mickey Mouse, Goofy, Daffy Duck to vote in the last election. They didn’t pull the Al Franken in Minnesota when mysterious ballot boxes showed up in a car trunk at the last minute to be counted. They didn’t have the voter fraud in Mississippi by the NAACP official who was convicted of voting 11 times using at least 4 dead peoples identity. Another Democrat in Arkansas was convicted of doing the same thing. Everytime the vote in Florida was counted, Gore fell further behind. Don’t give me any of that crap about Republicans rigging elections. Your esteemed former President LBJ rigged his election to Congress by having dead people vote for him. Democrats are the kings of voter fraud and we had better keep a close eye on them this year or they will try to steal this one as well.
We won the popular vote you moron. The only reason he lost was some “hanging chads” in the good, ole state of Florida where – Oh! Here’s a surprise – his brother was Governor. Not rigged, my ass!
September 26, 2012 at 3:09 pm
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HE won the popular vote.
September 26, 2012 at 3:27 pm
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Here is a scoop for you Planet to chew on! The Rasmussen Poll has Romney ahead by two points. They have been proven right in predicting results more than all the other polls and their poll is number one for accuracy. The other liberal leaning polls drug up the rear of the pack from 15th to 20th place. Reuters, Gallup, Wall Street/NBC, Politico, Washington Post are all out in “left” field and often poll 15-20% more Democratic voters than Republicans and they still can’t get Obama ahead by more than a few points. This sounds to me like there are many Democratic voters have changed their mind about your annointed leader.
Maybe they should wait to take the Polls until after people get off work instead of just polling them bums riding the system.
September 26, 2012 at 1:24 pm
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Sorry, Agent, CT Agent, FFA, Always Amazed, Sargeant Major, and Integrity Matters. Your guys are self-destructing by the minute. I don’t think we’ll be see your faces smiling come November. But mine will be!
We shall see what we shall see. Is unemployment still up over 8%? Gee, I thought Mr Obama was going to fix that for us? What happened, Libby & Planet? Obama is in over his head and you both know it. Hillary would have been SO much better because, guess what, SHE HAD THE EXPERIENCE TO RUN A COUNTRY. Not some committee planner from Chicago which is where I am from. Let’s see we have what 4 Governers in jail now. Gee, there a good track record. And speaking of track record – where’s Obamas? Lets see, he promissed if elected he would cut the deficit in half. BWAHAHAHA!! What a joke! You guys got stars in your eyes listening to his speeches and now you have egg on your face and your still trying to save face. I didn’t believe him for once second because I saw the fraud Obama was. I live in Chicago.
At leaste I will know if I should close shop and stick my hand out.
Lost more commericla busines in the past few week. Unemployment rate went up in my neck of the woods because of this BS.
FFA, As an ardent golfer and golf fan, I was watching Golf Channel on the Ryder Cup that is being held at Medinah this week in Chicago. Yesterday was a practice day and the broadcaster commented there were 30,000 fans out there on a Wednesday watching the teams practice. They said, wow, doesn’t anyone work in Chicago for that many people to be out there? If a lot of them are on the government dole, I guess they have a lot of free time on their hands. They might as well go see some of the 1%er millionaire golfers practice.
There are a lot of people hanging around. Some of them are staying local to me. The Sect upstairs told me she was going to hang out at the hotel – try and shang a rich one. Living the American Dream – looking for a sugar daddy!
Try that Libby.
September 28, 2012 at 12:37 pm
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I don’t need a sugar daddy, FFA. I’m perfectly capable of taking care of myself. What’s with all the venom against me all of a sudden? Did I piss in your wheaties or something?
September 28, 2012 at 1:22 pm
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Not venom Libby. I am encouraging my daughter to do the same. Some of the names I am hearing staying in town could very well support her and her three kids and get them off the tax roll. Some of the very people you bash are here.
I am tired of the piece of crap fathers not paying their kids way. I have put a roof over the three of thems heads with out so much as a Thank You. Then she want me to let her and her piece of trash boy friend go to my place by the lake. Daughetr” When can i bting bum #2 up there” Answer – “When he gets a job and pays for his own place.” My wife did not even like that answer. But tough sh*&. That lazy piece of crap needs to get off his ass. So does my daughter. Both of them – “Why bother when we get more money on food stamps and unemployment”. Daughter” My car is broken, can I use yours?” No Walk!
September 28, 2012 at 4:16 pm
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Don’t blame the government for the way your daughter is. They did not create the problem. The fact that she has 3 kids and no husband/father for them should be enough for you to be for government sponsored birth control. And the healthcare you need and can’t afford. I don’t understand your philosophy.
September 28, 2012 at 5:53 pm
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I was born and raised to take care of myself. I have never been fired from a Job. I have never been on unemployment. Since I was 14 years old, I have held a total of 6 Jobs. I will be 50 in a few days. Never in my life have I asked the Govt for help. My dad floated me in a down time and everything was paid back in 60 days. I worked my ass off to avoid hand outs.
Thats a problem these days – people just sticking their hands out and OfnBama filling it. Makes me sick my daughter is on food stamps, public aid ect… She didnt learn a damn thing growing up. And now, I am raising three more kids with no help from anyone but me. I am the only one working a full time job supporting 7 people. And this bum in the White House just keeps giving her incentive to sit home on her ass with her hand out. If it wernt for my grand kids, she would have been out on her ass a long long time ago.
September 27, 2012 at 6:25 pm
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Yes I am self destructing because more and more companies that employ people in my home town are shutting down. I am at the decision point to put another employee on the unemployment line due to recent activity. I have a Manufacturing plant about 40 miles up the road closing its doors and moving to GTenn. 75 more people hitting the unemployment line. Been there for over 50 years. Quinn (a dumerthencrap) has forced this hand.
FFA, I can’t imagine how depressing it must be for a businessman in Illinois in the most corrupt state in the union that is taxing businesses to death and running them off. I was lucky to land in Texas which is a conservative state with no state income tax and a much friendlier business environment including actual Tort Reform. Texas has attracted a lot of doctors since it went through, many of which moved down here from the Blue States to get away from the Trial Lawyers and unlimited malpractice suits. Things are still tough because of the overall economy and what the Fed is doing, but it is paradise compared to up north.
…Wow…do you need to go change your pants after that rant?”….this was supposed to be in reply to Captain thinks he knows it all…I mean Captain Planet, but it posted under yours, Always Amazed…sorry ’bout that..
I would, but I am out of pants. Just falls on deaf ears. Heard it enough “Why should I get a job when I make more sitting at home?”
That I blame on OBama – filling her hand every time she sticks it out.
Obviously Captain Planet, you’ve been watching MSNBC too much, because that was the most anti-Republican comment I’ve ever seen on a professional forum. Opinions are ok, but try not to regurgitate what the media puts out, because it’s usually wrong. :(
Comrade, I am a half full glass kind of guy. I prefer to believe that most of the people on Insurance journal are informed, pay taxes and understand issues. That is far better than 98% of the Obama supporters. If you don’t believe me go to you tube and listen to Howard Stern’s Obama supporter interviews. If it were not so true it would be funny.
Go to Howard Stern? Really? Yeah, there’s a voice I go to for anything intelligent. The guy who supposedly gave a girl the big “o” by having her sit on a speaker while he talked to her on the radio. He has a friend he calls Turd and holds little penis contests in his studio.
Sgt. Major, you’ve never answered me this – is President Obama a US citizen?
Don’t worry about the 98% of Obama supporters. Worry about the 47% of US citizens Romney humiliated and the 60-some-odd percent that won’t be voting for “The Stench”. Love that name! It’s one thing I agree with Paul Ryan about.
Libby, I don’t know who is going to win. You may be happy in November. That does not change your ignorance. Then let’s see how much better off you are when Barry’s reign is over.
I’m better off with President Obama’s first 4 years than the previous administration’s final 4. I’ll answer that question, Mitt. Bring it on! My ballot arrives tomorrow. I guess I’ll just volunteer on Election Day instead. That way, I can get some people to the polls the Romney/Ryan campaign is trying to suppress.
More spin from the media in today’s (9/27/12) USA Today. Front page article headline “Red states’ income swells” (Swells…what a laugh). The article explains that this is because it is adjusted for inflation AND “the big drivers are energy and GOVT BENEFIT PAYMENTS AND FOOD STAMPS” (3rd paragraph). They are adding the govt benefit (welfare/unemployment) and food stamps that people received to the income levels. This article is clearly put out there to combat the real story that came out last week that the median income levels went down. HMMM…do you think the White House fed this information to te USA Today?
So, Captain, it seems that there are many people doing better since the govt is funding it. How long can we sustain that??!!??
Ms Botox face Pelosi actually made the statement that unemployment checks are a stimulus to the economy. I certainly never read that in any of the Economics books I studied in college. Real jobs in the private sector is what would really stimulate the economy. How about creating some taxpayers rather than leaches for a change?
I agree. Create taxpayers instead of taxreceivers.
September 26, 2012 at 1:49 pm
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Captain, Those are real interviews no matter who asks the questions. Fact of the matter is 47% of the population does not pay federal income tax so what did he say that was not truthful? Lastly, if you don’t know whether or not he is a citizen you are dumber than I thought
Sargent, Did you notice that the Progressive bloggers like Libby and Planet are getting real desperate just like the President’s campaign. They have absolutely nothing to run on so they resort to doing baseless and personal attacks on Romney & Ryan. It must be a huge shock to them that absolutely nothing their guy has done in almost 4 years has turned out for the good of the country. These people have to be hugely dissapointed that Progressive Socialism and Keynsian tax and spend philosophy has not magically done the trick to revive the country. Rather than admit their mistakes in judgment, they blame someone else for their failings. Not to worry, the remedy is only 42 days away.
Agent, Yes I have noticed and surely Libby would not make a broad sweeping racial profile comment about all Republicans being white males etc. So libby how can you tell?
That is their typical attack, even at the top. They pound on Romney for issues but turn right around and give Barry a pass on everything. For example Romney is critical of the embassy killings, Barry, he gets a pass for having poor security in the first place and for telling everyone the mob was spontaneous. Sure the mob that was carrying RPG’s, AK 47s and heavy assaut weapons. But Barry gets a pass. Just like he got a pass on Acorn, Ayers and the Weather Underground (domestic terrorists), The sleazball who loarned him money to buy a house in Chicago etc.
Looking over these comments, it’s no wonder our country is headed over a fiscal cliff. Too bad the Republicans squandered this opportunity, now we are stuck with BHO for another 4 years. The very idea that BHO is leading Romney on economic issues in the polls is just as ridiculous as the idea that W. was a war hero while John Kerry was a coward in 2004.
You never know youngin’ – anything can happen. At least Acorn isn’t around any longer. Thank goodness for that. However, I wonder if the Black Panthers will once again be out there lobbying for Obama votes. That was a nice tough, Libby and Captin now wasn’t it?
ACORN, Black Panthers. I bet the name George Soros scares you, too, right? Give me a break! The only thing you should be scared about is the future direction of the Republican Party. Which is exactly why the conservatives out there are voting against someone rather than for someone.
Hey Captain, Why didn’t the democrat controlled congress pass a budget the first two years Obama was in office? Why didn’t Obama take steps to balance the budget in his first two years when he could ram anything throught the house? Bush may have caused the initial problem but Obama did nothing to make it better. In fact, he made it worse. Stop being a sheep and think for yourself. The facts are the facts. Not the half truth lies that your being fed.
Integrity, We haven’t had a budget in this man’s whole Presidency and the last one he proposed was voted down 100-0 by the Senate. The House has passed a budget each year only to have Prince Harry declare it was DOA. And people like Libby keep saying the Republicans are obstructionists. When we have a man in the Senate who does not allow debate or vote on any bill the House sends over, I think we know who the obstructionists really are.
September 26, 2012 at 9:40 pm
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Everyone is voting against someone. Sad comentary on our choices.
Hey FFA,
I believe we finally all agree on something. YEAAAH!!
September 27, 2012 at 6:36 pm
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Not exactly Ron, we also agree on freedom of choice and the best man for the job regardless of party.
You have not made your mind up yet. My mind was made up 4 years ago. If I could get by the Obama Care thing, I would not get past the the fact he is from Illinois.
Personally, I think the state of IL should be dispursed into the state of Wisconsin.
September 27, 2012 at 9:09 am
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Not me. I’m voting FOR Romney because he HAS experience in being successful. The facts are that there are too many people brainwashed by the 30 second soundbites they here in the media and do not investigate for themselves.
Those of us that do, have to point out the lies that are being told which portrays us as being haters. I don’t hate Obama as a person…I don’t know him and he seems like a good family man. What I hate is how he lies and spins the truth. He tells you what he thinks the public wants to hear. Integrity does matter and I have not seen any from him. He’s sympathetic to terrorists under the guise of being diplomatic and fights our own people who are trying to uphold the laws. He encourages Reid and Pelosi to use Chicago style extortion measures to get what he wants or else dictates otherwise. I expect that if the truth ever really gets out, he will be known as the most corrupt president in history.
Are you okay with all that he has really done? I’m not. Romney appears to have more integrity at this point and he and Ryan know economics. I am choosing them and encouraging others to see the truth!
The facts are that Romney has flip flopped on too many issues to get an accurate idea of what kind of president he would be. The things he has said, the positions he has adopted in order to please the Republican establishment make me think he would just be a puppet to his masters.
Your conspiracy theories notwithstanding, Obama has failed to deliver on most of his campaign promises. Not only that but he has doubled down on Bush’s war on terror, grabbing even more executive power, perpetrating a war in Libya without an act of Congress, cracking down on whistleblowers, and ruthlessly hunting “terrorists” using drone strikes with tremendous loss of civilian life. And he gets a pass from the media.
I’m voting against BOTH of them.
September 27, 2012 at 10:16 am
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Youngin, people voted for Obama when we knew he had no experience. Now we know who he is and what he really stands for…socialism. With Romney and Ryan, we at least know that they know economics and are for capitalism.
We cannot continue on the path of socialism. It does not work. Russia failed after how many years of communism. Greece, Spain, Italy were all “democratic” countries that instituted socialist policies and are bankrupt. We have to stop this for the sake of the country and whether you agree with all of Romneys positions or not, we know he will choose a path directly opposite of Obama.
If you add in Obama’s poor foreign policy and refusal to stop the bleeding on immigration issues, it only gets worse. If you don’t vote, you are stuck with what is given to you. Ron Paul will not get elected as an independent or write in. If you support him, I applaud your desire to vote your conscience. The reality is, it is not going to happen (Paul getting elected) and you have to ask yourself “Am I okay with knowing that I and the country will be worse off if Obama gets re-elected?” That is the sad truth. All of Obama’s policies and inexperience point directly to a worse economic situation because the cost of Obamacare has not even kicked in.
September 27, 2012 at 10:21 am
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“Perpetrating a war with Libya”? What the hell are you talking about?
September 27, 2012 at 10:35 am
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The problem with your “lesser of two evils” argument is that it is self-fulfilling. Neither of the two candidates for president really represents the majority of the country, but the majority of the country still accepts the false premise that they have only two choices.
What happens when both choices are too evil to vote for? Would you maintain your position if the two choices were Hitler and Stalin? (Which reminds me, Communism and Socialism are NOT the same thing, but that’s a different thread.)
The truth is, the country as a whole will be worse off under BOTH Romney and Obama. The only difference will be who is less worse off and who is more worse off. Romney is running on a nebulous economic platform which is all crap Republican dogma and no substance. The Republican party of today has lost all credibility when it comes to reducing the size of government.
Anyway, I was thinking of writing in Ron Paul but I may just go with Gary Johnson; at least he’s actually running.
September 27, 2012 at 10:40 am
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Excuse me, Libby, that was poorly worded. I mean carrying out an air assault on the government of Libya. It’s not war unless Congress says so. My mistake.
September 27, 2012 at 11:05 am
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Integrity, You are right that at least Romney & Ryan both know Economics. Ryan has a degree in the subject. They both know that Socialism/Marxism has not worked for any country that has tried it in history. It is a philosophy of failure. There is no incentive for people to get ahead, because the government confiscates most of the income or production. People that live under this system stand in line for bread and toilet paper. That is the reason the Soviet Union finally collapsed after their 80 year experiment. They could not compete with America economically or militarily. Reagan basically handed them their head without firing a shot. This current President thinks he can rule by executive fiat and has thrown the American People under the bus. We will not stand for that and as Clint Eastwood put it, if you don’t do the job for the American People, sorry, but we have to let you go.
September 27, 2012 at 11:46 am
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Wow, youngin, comparing Romney and Obama to Hitler and Stalin. Really. What has Romney done so bad that he deserves that comparison?
Also, to Libby, visit the Romney 2012 site to see his 5 point plan for improving the middle class, the economy and bringing back the respect our country deserves. Where are the details to Obama’s magical plan?
September 27, 2012 at 11:49 am
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Yes, youngin, I agree that socialism and communism are different, except the commonality that the govt controls virtually everything and thinks it knows better on what the people want or need. I being very general but I hope you get the point.
September 27, 2012 at 12:23 pm
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His five point plan? That’s a bunch of non-specific drivel, with general statements like “Give every family access to a great school and quality teachers.” He doesn’t give SPECIFICS. So it’s drivel.
Integrity, I was not comparing Obama and Romney to Hitler and Stalin, I was using Hitler and Stalin to point out the (IMO) fallacy of “lesser of two evils” thinking, that it is self-fulfilling and only true because people believe it to be true. The Dems and Republicans don’t represent the majority of this country, so why should we force ourselves to choose between them?
I honestly don’t understand why the Libertarian party isn’t gaining more traction. I know I’m not the only person who wants real fiscal conservatism and doesn’t know where to find it. Neither party fits the bill.
I have to believe that people who support Republicans either don’t actually want a smaller government or are simply in denial about the Republican record. Or they are boomers who simply don’t care if they bankrupt the country as long as you don’t touch THEIR hard-earned bennies.
I won’t pretend to understand people who support Democrats.
September 27, 2012 at 1:28 pm
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Libby, those are two real good sources you cited. You’ve made my point on two topics that I have been discussing in these posts.
1. The spin factor, and 2. Truth
Here is what Romney said per the CBS site:
In explaining his tax plan today, Romney told the crowd he would simplify the tax code, but that they should not expect large tax cuts.
“Our individual income taxes are ones I want to reform, make them simpler. I want to bring the rates down,” he said. “By the way, don’t be expecting a huge cut in taxes because I’m also going to lower deductions and exemptions. But by bringing rates down, we’ll be able to let small businesses keep more of their money so they can hire more people.”
He did not say he was raising taxes, he said he was going to change the tax code to make it simpler. The rate will go down but deductions and exemptions will be reduced. At worst, it will be revenue neutral. The purpose is to allow small business owners to keep more of their own money. CBS and Huffington spun it the other way. Thaty’s the first item.
The second is that Romney is telling the TRUTH. He is not trying to raise expectations that can’t happen. He has integrity, and it matters!
September 27, 2012 at 1:41 pm
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Where’s his plan, Integrity? I haven’t seen it. I’ve only heard broad statements about “simplifying the tax code”, “getting rid of deductions and exemptions”, “lowering taxes for the middle class”. He can’t even tell us if the middle class is under $100,000 or under $200-$250,000. Talk about fuzzy math. His entire plan is fuzzy. But I guess you blindly trust him to fill in the details later. Sure hope you don’t buy a house or a car like that. It’s anything but economically or fiscally sound.
September 27, 2012 at 2:06 pm
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If I am following him blindly, what are you doing? Following your leader off the fiscal cliff with your eyes open?
It was okay for you to blindly follow the promiser of Hope and Change 4 years ago. How is that working out? At least I know my candidate actually has experience in being successful economically.
Also, where are the details of Obamas plan? They all offer general platitudes. Obama’s math definitely will not work. At least with Romney, we have a chance.
September 27, 2012 at 6:42 pm
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I do not carry any grudge against people that have been successfull. People that live the American Dream and become all they could be should be learned from and admired, not begrudged. I am jelous, yes indeed. I want some of him money. I dont want him to hand it to me. Maybe buy an Annuity? Life Insurance? Hell, just give me one of his car policys. I am ready willing and able to work for it.
I can agree to dis agree. I probably wont like each other but stand true to my belief Obama carehas to go. Govt intrusion into private business is a direct conflict of what the USA stands for. Getting time for another TEA party in Boston.
Hi to your all in the USA, We, in Australia, have the same situation, no Private Health Insurance, dependent on your Annual Income, then there is a Tax situation based on your Annual Salary. However, most Australians have and already have had Private Health Insurance, however the rebates we receive, based on promises, from ALL HEALTH INSURERS IN AUSTRALIA is based on what the Government in office have stated, however, for e.g. If you receive a Specialist Account for $600.00 and Medicare pay $30.00 for Dr’s visit, then you submit to your Private Health Fund. who pay 150.00, because that is what the Government has determined is fair and reasonable, but the AMA (representing the Medical profession believe?? it should be more. However, here in Ausland, no recourse
I’m in the health insurance industry, a general agent with about 20 agents under me, and I deal with low income, non-major medical group plans… Theirs a lot of turmoil in the field, because some bad apples will lie or do something unethical like take a client out of a good affordable major med policy for one of these (Not a Discount Plan)…. I have people call me (I handle the compliance and cust service, basically complaints, helping the clients use the insurance, etc) pissed that they don’t have major med (Our policies cover the same things just not at the same level or percentage) and were told by there Dr. or a STATE insurance official they should have major med not this…. Its SO SO easy to say that when you have federal or state benefits and make a good living, when I’m working with Susan in Wisconsin a single mother of 4, and needs insurance for everybody for about $150, SHE CAN’T AFFORD anything else and because she can afford that, it means she probably doesn’t qualify for medicaid, so my point is it’s so easy to tell someone oh not that, this without knowing their medical history, pre-x conditions, budget, height to weight ratio….. They make it like were criminals and granted some of are in this field (At least based on how they , but theirs also people that need this…. If they reprice the medical claim by say…. 62% plus $500 for every day in the hospital, that’s better than a discount plan or NO coverage, but it happens all the time, most people don’t realize how expensive insurance is as an individual, and the strict underwriting that takes a lot of time, So again easy to say hey lady that agent is a crook his insurance isn’t as comprehensive as Major Med, what the client doesn’t get or apparently our state insurance commisioners don’t under stand is if that client can only afford $200/mo or $300/mo and just had a stroke and bypass surgery over the past 3ish years, plus High BP,High Cholesterol…. Its so easy to say without knowing the facts its like me telling everyone that views this they should have a Bentley.
I am also an agent, but luckily I am 90+% P & C and am thankful for that. I don’t envy any agent who is heavily invested in Health Insurance whether it be Individual or Group. I have a fellow agent friend whose agency is more than 60% volume in Health and he is very worried about his future due to what is going on and the fear of what this bill will do to him and his livlihood. Companies are reducing commission, raising rates, have to comply with the MLR and eventually agents will not be able to make a living at Health Insurance if this bill stands. Personally, I think the system will degenerate into an online app on exchanges and all there will be are non-insurance geeks processing the apps and the customers will not even know what they are buying. When the companies take a bath on PreX claims, they will just get a subsidy from HHS to stay in business. Just my opinion.
Integrity – want independent thinkers? Well, that’s me and most everyone I know (family and friends). All registered Independent. I’ve voted Republican even in the last election. At any rate, of the Inds I know, 1 is voting for Romney. His success comes by, at least in some part, by ruining the lives of the workforce Bain took over. The rest of it comes from Daddy for the most part. Though, he’s passing that onto his kids. If you need a list of what Obama has accomplished, here are just several:
Decreased unemployment rate from 10% to slightly above 8%.
-Passed healthcare reform.
-Equality for women – Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act
-Established Equal Pay Task Force
-Overturned Don’t Ask Don’t Tell
-Eliminated more Al Qaeda leadership in last 3 years than any other time since 9/11.
Ended War in Iraq
-Passed new Fuel Efficiency Standards
-Less dependent on foreign oil than any other time in last 20 yrs
-Produced more natural gas than any other time and this has supported over 250,000 jobs
-4.6 million private sector jobs created
-Cut taxes for small businesses 18 times
-Supported more than 150,000 loans for small businesses
I could keep going, but my fingers are getting tired and I have a meeting in 5 minutes. GObama!
Captain, you need to drink a little less Kool Aid. Let’s revisit those accomplishments:
Decreased unemployment rate from 10% to slightly above 8%. (This was AFTER unemployment rose passed 8% that the wonderful stimulus was suppose to prevent. Was he giving lip service or was he to inexperienced to know the depth of the problem?)
-Passed healthcare reform. (After bribing the senators, offering exemptions and making promises that he later reneged on)
-Equality for women – Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act (I’ll give him this one)
-Established Equal Pay Task Force (What does this really do? He backs the unions that force prevailing wage laws that drive up costs and reduces opportunity for smaller, non-union businesses to compete)
-Overturned Don’t Ask Don’t Tell (I’m neutral on this topic)
-Eliminated more Al Qaeda leadership in last 3 years than any other time since 9/11. (Yeah, but what president would not have done the same thing…oh yeah, Clinton chose not to take out OBL when he had the chance)
Ended War in Iraq (Ummm… he brought most of the troops home, the war was already over, unless you mean the violence that was taking place…and still taking place.)
-Passed new Fuel Efficiency Standards (Which means higher expenses for the auto makers, which means higher costs of cars that the middle class has to pay for…not a help economically)
-Less dependent on foreign oil than any other time in last 20 yrs (He says that, but how is it proven? Oil Prices are still more than twice the cost than when he took office, he is shutting down the coal industry causing more unemployment. This is just rhetoric)
-Produced more natural gas than any other time and this has supported over 250,000 jobs (He has not done this, in fact, the EPA is making it more difficult. How has he “supported > 250K jobs? Details please)
-4.6 million private sector jobs created (Again, fuzzy math. The unemployment rate that is published is based on those collecting unemployment. It does not count those no longer eligible and still unemployed)
-Cut taxes for small businesses 18 times (Seriously?? If this was true, why are small businesses still going out of business. What about the big healthcare tax that they are going to have to pay?)
-Supported more than 150,000 loans for small businesses (Supported???what does that mean? who wouldn’t support giving loans to small businesses)
The bottom line Captain, is that you are believing the partial truths that are being told to and accepting the lip service as truth and fact. There is very little substance to what has really transpired. The cost of Obamacare has not even kicked in yet and the cost projections by the non-partisan CBO have more than quadrupled since originally estimated.
Good analysis Integrity. Let’s not forget that he saved the Auto Industry by giving GM to the unions and now their stock is in the tank and they are building 7 out of every 10 GM cars in China and trying to build a $40,000 Volt that no one wants when it costs them $90,000 to build it. Thank you Mr. Outsourcer in Chief. GM is sure roaring back to life, right?
This act only give way to lawsuits, and allowed for you to sue a company, even if the owner who did the discrimination left.
More in line with the point, let’s say a man is hired at $45,000 a year in 2007. In 2011 a woman is hired at $30,000 with the same requirements. The firm has less capital available to hire, they have to pay less. But they know if they hire someone at a lower wage, that woman, she will sue.
These laws result in companies hiring exactly equal for people who on “paper” look better but may not be at all. I’m an agent, and on paper I don’t look that great.
I hired the right people in my agency, who now bring in great revenues. If I said I managed people on my resume, a woman could make the exact same resume. Sometimes, the business owner just has to make a judgement. And these laws allow for a lawsuit in crazy circumstances.
The pay gap is explained mainly through the following areas:
Men are more willing to re-locate
Men work more on pay, women on hours and schedules and holiday. This is shown in the fact that the pay gap exists even with independant business owners who are women, and self employed.
They are not equal jobs and equal benefits. There is no such comparison. Study after study shows women will not choose a higher paying job which has higher stress, requires relocation, or has less holiday when compared to a male. This is where most of the pay gap exists.
I’m quoting an MSNBC study. It is not sexism, if it’s true. Though I misplaced the MSNBC study, you should read the guy who started talking about it, he is referenced here:
Further I’m not doing this ignorant sexism crap again.
Every, single, thing, I put in that last post about what men deal with, they do.
We have a draft. You don’t.
You get the children most the time.
You have preferential treatment, and can choose to get rid of your child when your not ready, and by default get to choose when we are ready.
You get breast cancer prevention and treatment in the healthcare bill. We don’t get prostate cancer treatment, equal kill rate, equal incident rate.
You get more medicare dollars.
You live longer, from what society gives you, less stress, more health care, more benefits. Women do not get less.
All, those, comments, are, true. Got it? It’s not sexist. You made a sexist comment about how you were a smart woman who didn’t take shit from men, I explained how society gives more to women.
Bob, you make some excellent points. They are not sexist and they are reality. I have a friend whose wife left him, would not give him a divorce, got pregnant from some other guy, and forced my friend to pay the medical bills because they were technically still married. Oh yeah, the courts allowed her to keep my friends two biological kids and forces him to pay alimony.
I’ll admit that there are situations that still exist about unfair or inequal pay to women and need addressing, but there are definitely unfair laws towards men that need the same attention.
September 28, 2012 at 2:48 pm
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Integrity:
Indeed. I didn’t mean to bring up the gender battle here. Me and Libby debated on it before. She is calling me sexist because of those comments so I defended them.
In context, she said that she was a smart woman who wouldnt deal with men’s shit.
I basically told her, that contrary to her beliefs on how women need more from soceity and that there is a war on women, they have it better than men. Yet we do not declare that there is a war on men. I told her that feminists are out of line.
She keeps using it as a reason to call me sexist, though it has nothing to do with any comments here.
September 27, 2012 at 8:39 pm
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I WISH we had an unemployment rate of close to 8% here in NC. The economy was booming here until 2009. Besides the REAL unemployment rate is much higher than published, since so many people have given up looking. I have a friend who was laid off in 2010, took another job 9 months later, and was laid off again! He’s certainly not lazy, he was a successful underwriter, but he’s now 62 so he figures it’s too late for him.
James, I hear that Romney has pulled ahead in the polls in NC. Don’t you have a liberal female governor there? I seem to think I saw her dismay when the voters turned down the same sex marriage issue in that state. I also wonder if the Demwits paid off Charlotte for their convention expenses. They were having big money troubles funding it and had to cancel a good part of their extravaganza. What is your take on it?
We sure do, and she’s so unpopular she’s not running for re-election. Romney will take NC. As for the DNC, I really haven’t read enough about it. I’m the Raleigh area, so we tend to ignore Charlotte, haha.
I hear that Obama has stopped trying in NC and is directing his resources elsewhere to try to stem the tide against him. It looks like a sweep from Florida all the way up through Virginia for Romney. The politics of personal destruction doesn’t seem to be working for the Obama campaign and they are sinking to new lows every day. They are also brain challenged. Saw a tape where Obama was speaking in Colorado and said he wanted windmills built in China. Oops! Biden was in Ohio talking about ads in Iowa. He doesn’t even know what state he was in. Joe being Joe, right?
September 27, 2012 at 11:04 am
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Youngin’ – I’ve been wanting a legitimate 3rd party for a LOOOOOOONG time. It’s a shame we don’t have one yet. But, this right wing has strayed so far from what used to be the Republican Party, it’s almost a joke. I can’t vote for a party that thinks women can block pregnancy with Jedi Mind Tricks or gay marriage somehow impacts what goes on in their households. I’m also sick of the money trickling up and staying there. The horse and sparrow philosophy that was implemented has left so little for the sparrow 30+ years later, the sparrow is having to work 3 jobs an neglect its little baby sparrows. Not exactly the American Dream. Trickle down has turned into an American Nightmare and a good majority of us are waking up in the middle of the night with tremors. OK, now I’m off to my meeting.
Planet, I think you are getting high on the new iphone app which is causing trouble since it apparently is scrambling brains. Sending electronic waves through the brain is a dangerous thing to do. It causes people to think like a Progressive.
Perhaps there needs to be another revolution Planet to get a legitimate party who will not cater to special interests or espouse a Progressive platform and truly represent the people that elect them. The Democrats can truly be called the Progressive Socialist party similar to what they have in Europe. The Republicans have strayed for years from the party of Lincoln and have gone along to get along through bi-partisan reaching across the aisle bad legislation that has us in such a mess. I am not a fan of RINO’s, but I would vote for my local dog catcher before voting for more of what we have seen for the past 4 years.
I wish the Republican party was MORE conservative, not less. If you want to blame Bush, go ahead, he vastly increased spending (with a new entitlement program and Keynesian economics)! I voted libertarian last time, but now I feel like I don’t have the option. Go Romney!
No new iPhone app here and just thinking like an American. A proud one at that. Agent, this country is great. We can have different opinions. Then, we vote. The problem with that is, at least currently, the pendulum swings one direction, then swings back, then swings even further in the opposite direction, then swings back even further, and so on. Nothing gets done that way. Well, unless you’re President Obama. Then you get things done (see brief list above in spite of Republican opposition).
Captain Planet, I thought you were already a member of a third political party. I thought you were campaigning for the communist party but could not find a candidate so you were going to vote for the socialist in office now. The only other party you might try are the National Socialists otherwise known as the Nazi party or maybe the black panthers, I hear they are looking for member/candidates.
Hey, One more, Try the Weather Underground they were domestic terrorists in the 60’s that blew up government buildings. The guy who ran it is a good friend of Barry Obama’s and supports him.
Godwin’s law (also known as Godwin’s Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin’s Law of Nazi Analogies) is an argument made by Mike Godwin in 1990 that has become an Internet adage. It states: “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches.” In other words, Godwin observed that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably makes a comparison to Hitler and the Nazis.
Godwin’s law is often cited in online discussions as a deterrent against the use of arguments in the widespread Reductio ad Hitlerum form. The Reductio ad Hitlerum attempts to refute a view because it has been held by Hitler. The rule does not make any statement about whether any particular reference or comparison to Adolf Hitler or the Nazis might be appropriate, but only asserts that the likelihood of such a reference or comparison arising increases as the discussion progresses, irrespective of whether it is appropriate or not. Precisely because such a comparison or reference may sometimes be appropriate, Godwin has argued that overuse of Nazi and Hitler comparisons should be avoided, because it robs the valid comparisons of their impact.
Although in one of its early forms Godwin’s law referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions, the law is now often applied to any threaded online discussion, such as forums, chat rooms and blog comment threads, and has been invoked for the inappropriate use of Nazi analogies in articles or speeches.
Sargent, sorry about the Tigers last night. I have not seen Verlander roughed up like that before. Perhaps he was rusty with all the time off. It is a good thing there are 6 more to go to get their act together.
Nothing racial about it Sarge. Just the truth. You won’t see many lower-income, black, females that are Republican. That’s not racial either. Just the truth.
I am anything but racist. Not sure I can say the same for you after some of the remarks you have made on this blog.
Libby HaHaHaHa,you sound just like Barry Soetoro Obama about your racial comment. You deny you are a racist and blame it on someone else. Just like Barry. If he screws something up (which he does daily) he denies he is a screw up and blames it on Bush. You said what you said and you believe it. You think all Republicans are middle aged white males and there could not possibly be any black or hispanic or asian republicans. So I live in Detroit. Am I black or white?
I said the majority, not all. Don’t twist my words Sarge. I do think the majority are white, middle-class, males. Doesn’t make me racist or sexist. Just the demographics, baby.
Sargent, Progressive like to play all the race cards, gender cards and class warfare cards just like their guy does. I guess I have a bias since I don’t want to pay for Sandra Flukes birth control. This perpetual 31 year old radical student who apparently is so promiscuous, she needs a big supply of birth control pills which are readily available to all women inexpensively, but she wants us the taxpayers to foot the bill. I hope she never brings a baby into the world and there probably is little chance since she would abort it anyway and also wants us to pay for that as well.
Agent, htat’s disgusting. You sound worse than Rush Limbaugh. I guess in your eyes I, too, am a slut and prositute because I support birth control for women. It has nothing to do with promiscuity and everything about unwanted teen pregnancies you Neanderthal. We wouldn’t even have to have a debate about abortion if birth control were easily and cheaply available for women.
You see, Libby, those that don’t understand birth control think you need to pop one every time before you have sex. Hence, so much promiscuity she needs the gov to buy it. Note to the ignorant, there are the same amount of pills each month no matter how many times you do or don’t have sex. It’s not a condom.
Sandra Fluke was there on behalf of a friend, by the way. Get your facts straight before you intimate someone is “promiscuous”. And, who cares if she is? What are you, God?
Women take it for a miriad of reasons. My wife was actually put on it so she could start ovulating so we could be blessed with our now 3 year old daughter. It regulates cycles, it helps with menstral cramping, it helps with acne, and yes, it can prevent unwanted pregnancies. How dare women try to control their uterus! That’s what Republican men are for. They can decide when women should take up the spatula and rear the kids.
I have no problem with woman taking birth control. For some, it is a medical necessity.
I have a problem with making the tax payers, pay for it. It is readily available and not expensive.
September 27, 2012 at 2:50 pm
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I guess you would rather pay for the medical costs of the pregnancy,well-baby care, and the child and also the food stamps and, God forbid, welfare that a young mother with no education or future needs to support that unwanted baby? She can’t have birth control available, she can’t have an abortion, so she’s forced to raise a child she may not want and YOU DON’T THINK TAXPAYERS PAY FOR THAT??? $1,200 a year v. $50,000? I thought you were an economist. Do the math.
September 27, 2012 at 3:20 pm
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Integrity, we seemed to have stirred up a hornet’s nest with these Progressive fools that think everything should be provided to them by the government. Schools are now giving teenage girls the morning after pill to prevent them from getting pregnant. Our moral fabric is being torn apart by these fools. By the way Planet, do you expect the government, ie the taxpayer to pay for your wife’s pills or are you able to pay? If I were her, I would make sure to take them without fail.
September 27, 2012 at 5:19 pm
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Libby, I know i am going to get bombarded for this but, adult women and men should make there reproductive choices before they have sex. Accept the responsibility with the actions that take place. That’s the problem with society today, people want to blame others for their mistakes. They want to move on and forget about them.
And to your statement “I guess you would rather pay for the medical costs of the pregnancy,well-baby care, and the child and also the food stamps and, God forbid, welfare that a young mother with no education or future needs to support that unwanted baby?
Yes, I would rather pay for that than to kill an innocent unborn child. Better yet, I would rather spend the money on education about abstinence because that is the only thing that really works to prevent an unwanted pregnancy.
By the way, I challenge you to pick up any newspaper from any metropolitan area in this country and not find ads from people wanting to adopt newborns. If a mother truly did not want that baby, she could find a home for it in this country.
September 28, 2012 at 9:19 am
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Integrity, teens are not adults. They don’t have the mental capacity to make those choices, but the hormones to, well, you know. And if I carry a child for 9 months and give birth to it, I may not want to give it up for adoption. That doesn’t mean I am equipped, mentally, emotionally, or financially, to take care of it. Hence, you create a society of uneducated folks on welfare that perpetuates itself. It’s a huge problem that could be addressed by a little birth control. We are all paying for it, why not cut the costs and improve the lives of our society. Something you Republicans “say” you want.
October 1, 2012 at 12:24 pm
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I would doubt more than 1 in 15 people believe what you just wrote.
If that’s what you believe of republicans you are a fool.
October 1, 2012 at 12:46 pm
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I am no fool, Bob. Of course the Republican, middle class, males on this site would not agree with me. They are morally superior to people like me. I feel sorry for you. You have to be a sad little man ready to “debate” anyone on facts and figures with no compassion or heart. I do pray for you every night.
September 27, 2012 at 3:11 pm
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Libby, As usual you missed my point that I don’t want to fund Sandra Flukes birth control pills or abortion with my tax dollars. She is free to go to Planned Parenthood as are all women to get their help. Birth Control pills are handed out like candy there and abortions are readily available and are inexpensive. I am not against her rights to do it, but do it one someone other than the public dime like it has been done for decades in this country.
Well, Agent, don’t complain about having to pay for healthcare, food, and shelter for all these unwanted babies that are coming into the world. They’re helpless children that deserve to be taken care of. Especially if people like you are going to deny paying for birth control, the mornong after pill, and are against abortions under any circumstances.
And CT Agent, if you were really a woman, you would have been outraged by Agent’s slur on women and birth control. I have a feeling you were being less than honest about that. But then again, I should have expected that.
I lived many years as an agent in CT and don’t remember any women talking the way you do.
September 27, 2012 at 5:37 pm
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You are right about one thing Libby. I am not in favor of murdering babies with partial birth abortion like you and your cohorts in crime are. I also said that I didn’t want my tax dollars going to it. There are plenty of childless couples out there that can adopt these unwanted children. Couples shouldn’t have to go to Russia or China to find a child since there are plenty here. Who has the compassion here for human life? A human life is nothing more to you than putting a cat or dog to sleep.
September 28, 2012 at 6:01 pm
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Libby:
“She can’t have birth control available, she can’t have an abortion, so she’s forced to raise a child she may not want and YOU DON’T THINK TAXPAYERS PAY FOR THAT??? $1,200 a year v. $50,000? I thought you were an economist. Do the math.”
I do love messing with you. First, I mislead you and agreed that welfare was a low cost, and you didn’t even debate that fact.
Second: You did say there was a $50,000 cost per mother, without taking into consideration the revenues brought in from the child/children. She may have a $50,000 debt, but her kids of 3 might have $50,000 of revenues. If even one kid is successful it offsets her costs.
Libby, Someone will always want a baby. I’ve tried to Adaopt. They would not let me. Too old they told me. I am able to feed and house another mouth, but no. I’m too old.
So, dont tell me there are unwanted babies out there. No baby is unwanted.
September 27, 2012 at 7:49 pm
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And it’s not horrible to say that the kid would be a $50,000 tax burden eh?
Further: The same ratios would work out for a non-aborted baby who would have been aborted, as a person who was not aborted.
This means: The debt on each living person does not go up by having a nother living person, because that person is not a deficit by default. You are making the assumption the child will cost the government more…For some random pesimistic reason *rolls eyes* and that will change the ratio right? There will be more losers if Mom’s don’t choose who lives and who dies. That sounds pretty dumb to me. You can’t judge something before you’ve even see it try.
Bob, again you’re missing the point because it’s not all about numbers and about people and their quality of life. If I’m 16 and have a baby, I will most likely drop out of school. I will have no education to get a decent job. My family will more than likely live in poverty on government assistance. I will not have the emotional or mental maturity to adequately nurture and raise that human being. That human being is much more likely to follow in my footsteps, as they have not got any other role model or example to follow. Therefore, another teen pregnancy, poverty, etc. etc. It’s a vicious circle and a huge problem in this country. I don’t know why people can’t see past the “I’m not paying for someone else’s birth control because I’m morally superior” attitude. It’s not about killing babies or promiscuity, you morons.
September 28, 2012 at 2:14 pm
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Libby, it amazes me that you automatically think that the 16 year old mother will be uneducated and perpetuate this problem. First of all there are a lot of intelligent teenagers making poor choices and getting pregnant. The support they get from their family dictates what happens next. Our throw away society has made it acceptable to kill the baby.
It amazes me that its a fetus when the choice is to abort, but a baby, when it is murdered by violence or a drunk driver. To me, it is a baby all the time. Society wants to make itself feel better psychologically when they are the ones killing the baby.
Also, it was not that long ago that girls routinely got married in their teen years (typically 16). They had the mental capacity to handle it then. Why not now? Also, if our teens can have the mental capacity to handle the violence and sex on TV and the movies, why can’t they handle the rest? Do they have the mental capacity to drive at 16? This is a poor excuse.
September 28, 2012 at 2:23 pm
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Libby said “It’s not about killing babies or promiscuity, you morons.”
No, it’s about giving a license to have sex without regard to responsibility for one’s actions to someone who doesn’t have the mental capacity to accept the responsibility. You’re the moron.
There was a time when teenage pregnancy was a disgrace, and as a result, a deterrent. Teenagers still got pregnant, but not at the rate it is today. It’s acceptable and considered “cool” in some areas.
September 28, 2012 at 4:31 pm
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Intgrity – again you are reading what you want to and not what I said. I said “most likely” will be uneducated and dependant on society. And that is the truth. I did not say it is a given. But many have no family they can lean on, because their family is in the same boat.
And pregnant teens are NOT getting married these days. Those days are long gone and irrelevant to the discussion about what’s going on today. You can long for the yesteryears, but that will not make change today. And they don’t have the mental capacity for the violence and sex they see in the media.
I don’t know what kind of teens you’ve been hanging around, but they aren’t all a bunch of Einstein’s out there doing the right thing. Think back to when you were a teen (if you can) and maybe try some empathy and open-mindedness.
I am not making excuses. I am facing up to reality, as it is today, and trying to effect positive change in this society. I happen to think birth control for teens is a must if we are going to curb the rate of teen pregnancy and all the problems it brings to our society. What are you doing?
September 28, 2012 at 6:05 pm
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My scenario played out with adoption when I was 32.
Agent, your wrong on one word. Burdon. I would love to see what has become of that child I was referring to.
If he is better off then I clould have provided, god bless. If not, I hope the people that told me I was too old rot in hell.
That little guy needed stability. I hope he got it.
September 28, 2012 at 2:55 pm
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Libby:
First you say it’s that there will be $50,000 worth of debt for each child, then you say it’s not all about numbers? You made it about numbers.
Further to the point: I have said I’m against forcing religions to pay for birth control. I also said how having it forced on to insurance actually increases the costs. Birth control is $15 dollars, or less for a girl who is 16. You mind taking back that comment? They have access. My problem is with increasing the cost and having everyone pay for it to get a vote.
More importantly: You’re wrong about single mothers and the effect on their kids.
You can look up more sites on that if you want. There is very little difference, so the amount of single mothers and or kids that would screw over our debt argument is null and void. Our main expenditures do not come from welfare, you’ve even said that before yourself. It comes from social security, which you only get if you work, medicare, which you only get if you work, etc.
These people being born would not change the ratio of social security expenditures to social security revenues.
So stick that down your pipe and quit with the “these morons don’t understand having kids harms the budget!” It doesn’t.
I never mentioned $50,000 of debt for a child. I said all the conservative holier-than-thou’s on this site complain, complain, complain about people on government assistance but then bitch about government sponsored birth control. If you want to control the amount of people you call deadbeats, start by providing birth control to teens and other women.
I did not make this a debt issue. You did. Again with the numbers and ratios and expenditures. It’s about lives. And the only argument I can give to people who only care about money is try to appeal to their pocketbook and show them it is costing them money. That’s not MY reason for wanting birth control. Mine is about improving people’s lives.
October 2, 2012 at 2:35 pm
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Libby,
The fewer than 1 in 15 was for planet’s comment, regarding birth control. I don’t know why it posted near yours. He was clearly wrong about what people think about birth control.
You act like I don’t have emotions. I do. I am all about what’s best for people. You’re not, you just don’t understand yet how people like you affect people.
Everyone should be taking care of their own birth controll. I did. I’m done. Now I have to start paying again???
October 2, 2012 at 4:04 pm
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Just what do “people like me” doing to negatively affect people? I’m trying to effect positive change in this country, starting with addressing the teen pregnancy crises. And yes, it’s a crises. I’ve already explained that. What makes you think you know better what’s best for the people than me?
Again, if you’re that smart and have all the answers, what are you doing in real estate and gaming? Why aren’t you putting all your smarts to work doing something positive for the country instead of picking on me on this blog?
October 2, 2012 at 4:44 pm
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Should be taken care of at the Parental Level – not at the government level. My daughter made her mistakes thats for sure. I have stepped up playing provider and daddy. Meanwhile, dead beat keeps dead beating, daughter keeps her hand out. “Oh Poor Me” crap.
Now, she gets herself diagnosed with Bi Polar. More SSDI?? Drugs instead of teaching her strategies to deal with it?
I sill resent that $50K tax burdon comment about babies. Dont know who said it, but that was cruel.
October 3, 2012 at 1:23 pm
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FFA, you are the exception rather than the rule when it comes to parental responsibility. Unfortunately, the parental oversight is just not there, so to say it should be at the parental level is naive.
I said the comment about $50k. It was just a number I threw out there to compare to $100/month ($1,200) for birth control. I only did that to get the attention of folks that only care about the money.
It’s not about the money to me. And I’m not being cruel. Cruel is allowing children to have children with no means of supporting or nurturing them because it’s “morally” wrong to provide birth control. Teen pregnacy is morally wrong in my opinion and it has caused a death spiral of poverty and crime in this country.
Wake up people! Are you really so petty about paying for birth control in order to prevent unplanned pregnacies? If so, all hope is lost on you and we are destined to continue down this path of self-destruction. What a pity.
October 13, 2012 at 12:50 pm
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Yes Libby, I am that petty. Every Nickle and Dime add up. Been adding up for 4 years now at a rapid rate. Throw in another $10+K for increased Health Cost now a few more nickles for B Controll.
September 27, 2012 at 2:36 pm
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Wow Agent.
Do you actually believe what you say, or are you just trolling? Because all I see from you are insults, Fox News talking points, and incredibly ignorant statements like the one you just made.
It makes me wonder if you really believe what you’re saying, or if you’re just bored at work and trying to stir up drama.
Socialists are very smart and they have a plan for America. It does not include people like most of you. The seeds for what you will get in the next 4 years are planted. You fools can not stop this. You will never get the vote or support of undocumented voters, the locked in minority voters, or all the citizens on welfare. It has a been long process (since FDR and before) overthrowing capitalism but it is done. You can not take America back.
Yes, be afraid. The country is lost. It’s going to be taken over by guys in hockey masks, William Schattner masks, pinhead faces, a guy with knives instead of fingers, aliens (no pun intended), guys in white sheets (oh wait, they already tried that), and the Oprah Winfrey Book Club! Clutch your pearls while you get the vapors!!!
I think the Captain is from a different planet. I’ll admit that “get ready’s” comment is a little “doomsday-ish”, but the reality is, this country will have an even harder time digging itself out of the deficit that Obama will create by 2016.
Integrity, Planet has been told that dozens of times on different blogs and it doesn’t faze him. He and Libby are a close match and Libby has fallen in love with him. I hope they will be happy together or they may be miserable together with the tide turning again in our favor. Their posts reflect the desperation that is felt by all liberals. They have a failed President who is throwing the Middle Class under the bus with additional taxes and have nothing to say that is positive so they resort to personal attacks on Conservatives.
I have never seen Captain insult anyone on this blog, Agent. It is you that continues to hurl the nasties.
September 28, 2012 at 9:46 am
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Personal attacks like this one:
” By the way Planet, do you expect the government, ie the taxpayer to pay for your wife’s pills or are you able to pay? If I were her, I would make sure to take them without fail.”
– Agent
Agent, that was pretty dickish of you. I would like to think you’re actually a nice person. Are you able to play in the sandbox without throwing it in my face?
September 27, 2012 at 7:43 pm
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Do chinease people wear Hockey Masks? Just wondering what I am in for when they foreclose on our debt.
Why didn’t the democrat controlled congress pass a budget the first two years Obama was in office? Why didn’t Obama take steps to balance the budget in his first two years when he could ram anything throught the house? Bush may have caused the initial problem but Obama did nothing to make it better. In fact, he made it worse.
Planet & Libby both can’t answer your question because their President didn’t worry about budgets along with Prince Harry in the Senate & Lugosi in the House. Continuing resolution after continuing resolution so the American People wouldn’t know how bad the spending was. When you don’t want people knowing how bad a job you are doing, put it in file 13 and hope it goes away. When you should be focusing on righting the economic ship, spend all your time talking about an unaffordable Healthcare bill and hope people will be not notice the looming iceberg outside the Titanic window.
They tried – not a single Republican vote. And, hardly a Dem controlled congress. There were dems in there that should have been on your side of the aisle. Remember what Mitch McConnell’s #1 goal was/is starting from DAY ONE! “Make Obama a one term President.” How do you do that, not agree with anything he does. Here’s something about trying to pass a budget. Article is from 2009:
Planet, you have selective memory to say the least. Queen Nancy & Prince Harry were holding court the first two years, you know the ones who rammed Healthcare down our throat with overwhelming majorities in the House & Senate. Why did they settle for continuing resolutions over and over when they could have passed a budget? The answer is very simple. They didn’t want the American People to see how bad the numbers actually were. Mitch McConnell had no power to stop Reid. By the way, the last budget submitted by Obama was voted down 100-0 in the Senate. Gee, I wonder why. The Senate has been in Obama’s camp right along and even they don’t like his numbers because they are crap. Your President is a fiscal disaster along with all his other shortcomings and an embarassment for the nation as a leader.
ALL ABOARD!! The Captain’s BS train is taking off!!
The Dem’s controlled both houses and could pass anything they wanted. They chose not to for the reasons stated by Agent. The economy was not their priority. They had one agenda, Obamacare.
I beg to differ. It was Republican Presidents who got us into the most recent war messes. Plenty of baby-killing going on in war. And, just straight up killing in general. Pro-life my a_ _.
Was not a president. Was the terrorists. Remember 911?It had to happen. It needs to happen with Libya.
September 28, 2012 at 2:48 pm
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You really are from a different planet, Captain. Killing of babies or any other innocent people during war is not intentional. It happens and is sad. But, it is part of war. We don’t ask the terrorists to shield themselves with babies.
However, passing laws to allow and fund the killing of babies by choice, is intentional. May God forgive all of us for allowing that to exist and persist.
September 28, 2012 at 4:11 pm
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Sargent, I wouldn’t let Planet anywhere near my anus. He is part of the crowd that says “Lean forward, we aren’t through yet.
So Libby, just for the record, there are Black Republicans much to your chagrin. Here are just 10. You might have heard of one or two:
Martin Luther King Sr.
Alveda King
Clarence Thomas
Condoleeza Rice
Colin Powell
Harriet Tubman
SojournerTruth
Alen Keyes
Michael Steele
Dr. Mildred Jefferson
Booker T Washington
Wow, you named 10 out of millions. And…pretty much all of them wouldn’t agree with the direction of today’s Republican Party. Except for Alen Keys, Condoleeza Rice, Clarence Thomas, and Alveda King. So, you batted .400. Not bad! And, don’t give me any lip about Michael Steele:
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TAMPA — Republicans gathered at the University Club in downtown Tampa Saturday night to honor GOP chairman Reince Priebus. The event was sponsored by the Wisconsin delegation, which of course represents Priebus’ home state, and the Mississippi delegation, home of former governor and former RNC chairman Haley Barbour. There were several major players there: Priebus himself, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, Sen. Ron Johnson, Barbour and nephew Henry Barbour, former Virginia governor and former RNC chair Jim Gilmore, former chair Mike Duncan, and others.
With the presence of Priebus, Barbour, Gilmore, and Duncan, the event featured the current and three former chairmen of the party. But there was one very recent chairman who was nowhere to be found, and whose name didn’t come up: Michael Steele.
Steele was chairman when the party selected Tampa as the site of its 2012 convention. Steele was chairman when the GOP came roaring back after defeats in 2006 and 2008 to pick up 63 seats to gain control of the House in 2010, and also to gain six seats to greatly strengthen its position in the Senate. In addition, during Steele’s time in office, Republicans won key governorships in New Jersey and Virginia.
But at the University Club, Steele was not only not there; he wasn’t noted or referenced. In public remarks, no one said anything bad about him, and no one said anything good about him. He just didn’t exist.
“I have not been invited to the convention at all,” Steele says. “Their view is, the less we talk about him, we don’t invite him, we ignore him — it just didn’t happen. But those 63 seats in the House did happen. They may want to ignore me, but they don’t want to ignore what I did. It’s just sad.”
“I would have loved to have been there to salute the work of the party and see former chairmen,” Steele adds. “But I guess I’m not a member of that club.”
As it happens, Steele is in Tampa, but only, he says, in his role as an analyst on MSNBC. He won’t be attending any events in his role as former chairman.
In addition to the party’s electoral victories, the sometimes gaffe-prone Steele also left the RNC with a huge debt, and a number of Republican insiders accuse him of leaving the party in a terrible mess. “That’s a bunch of bulls–t,” says Steele. Other chairmen have also left debt, he says, and other members of the RNC concurred in the expenses that led to the Steele-era debt. “It’s just annoying as hell,” Steele says of the talk. “You get a little sick of the bulls–t after a while.” Priebus was a close Steele deputy at the time, but to say the two men have had a falling out is an understatement.
Asked about Steele’s absence, an RNC source noted that most past party chairmen are also part of their state’s delegations to the Tampa convention, and are thus automatically part of events here. “Nobody is ‘invited,’” the source said. “You either are part of a delegation or not. The people from, say, Wisconsin are delegates and alternate delegates.” At the University Club event, however, there were several people who were not officially part of a delegation but rather guests of those who were. “Each of those people [delegates and alternates] gets a guest pass, but it would be up to them,” says the source.
Whatever bad blood exists privately, it is remarkable that the GOP’s most recent chairman has no role at all in the convention whose planning he initiated. He’s also the man who was in charge when the party won smashing victories in the most recent mid-term elections. And he didn’t gain power in a coup; he was elected chairman by a majority of members of the RNC. Finally, Steele is the party’s only black chairman at a time when Republicans are particularly worried about their continuing difficulties in attracting minority voters. Why not have him play some public role in the convention? And if there are still hard feelings — well, it would hardly be the first time that people who didn’t like each other joined hands and smiled in front of the crowds.
“Can we just say I’m part of the party,” asks Steele, “a leader of the party, and still an asset to the party?”
So you named 11 black Republicans, so what? I stand by my statement. I believe the majority are white, middle-class, males. Enough said on the subject. I am not racist.
I will never understand someone – anyone regardles of color, social circumstances – what ever – just accepting that is the way it has to be. Your a prime exapmle. You packed up and moved across country – did what you had to do. I do admire that about you. So, to hear you defend the people your describe is somewhat confusing to me.
If Obama becming president did not pound in their heads that they could do something with their lives, nothing ever will. Them are the people I have no sympathy for. Them are the people that should be cut off the Give A Way system.
September 28, 2012 at 4:43 pm
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I moved across the country to get married, FFA. Not to get a job. The reason my income went down was I was laid off in 2008 and the reason for that had nothing to do with Obama.
September 29, 2012 at 1:03 pm
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And now your divorced (I seem to remember from a diffferent post) and still providing for your self. Life kicked you and your back on your feet instead of sticking your hand out. Pat your self on the back for that one.
Now, how about going around to these poor opressed people and tell your story how you rose above lifes bumps? You would certianly get a lot further doing that then what your doing in this forum.
October 1, 2012 at 12:38 pm
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I was divorced several years ago and married for the second time. I know, immoral, but there it is. I have taken care of myself since I was 17 with no help from anyone, but I had many advantages others may not have. I believe in hard work, yes I do. What I do not believe in is condemning and entire class, race, or nationality of people as a sterotype. Until you have walked in someone elses’ shoes, you have no right to judge. But I’m the heathen democrat that doesn’t believe in the Christian way. Right!
October 1, 2012 at 2:31 pm
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Never said that – Heven Comment. Never meant to imply it. Fact is, I meant it a a compliment – that you took care of your self. Life kicks you. You pulled yourself out of it. Now you state your remarried. Good for you. No sarcasim. No slam. Just a compliment.
I dont condem any race or religion. I condem a way of life – thats the give a way life style. I do believe in helping people get back on their feet. I do not believe in giving them a crutch to lean on. I dont have time for peoples own personal pitty party.
If you dont like what you see in the mirrow, then do something about it. If you dont do something about it, then stick you hand back in your own pocket and stop sticking it in mine.
You were more fortunate then others? Maybe. But it was you that made it on your own. Whatever “advantage” you had, you took it an ran with it.
I believe in your way of life (provide for yourself) – just not your politics.
October 1, 2012 at 3:26 pm
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Enough said. I think we are closer on this issue than most others. Let’s keep it that way. I want to be friends.
September 28, 2012 at 9:52 am
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Sargent, The Democrats hope the Black’s continue to vote based on skin color instead of using their brains. They are seeing some erosion on the per cent since the blacks have something around 15-20% unemployment rate since Obama took office and he hasn’t delivered for them. Many will stay home this election. I have a number of black friends and customers and they voted Democratic in 08 and they all plan to vote differently this time. By the way, I count Col Allen West as one of the brightest stars in the Republican Party currently and Artur Davis & Mia Love are also ones to watch in the future.
Again, Sarge, for the last time. I said you won’t see “many”. I know you Republicans only think in black and white and use terms like always, never, all, and none, but I do not. I said “most” and “many”. Give it a rest already.
That is what he was called in Indonesia and when he applied to Occidental College as a foreign student. Gee, I wonder why he sealed all his education records from there right through Harvard. If he is the smartest man in the world, he should be proud of his college credentials and how he was able to afford all that high priced education.
No planet uranus I am not here all night. I happen to work long hours to make a little extra. Unlike you ad Libby who probably shutdown 30 minutes early off your 8 hour day so you can beat the traffic home.
No, I’m not even 2 miles away from home. I actually work from home quite a bit, too. Oh, and I do painting, staining, and pressure washing side jobs. I, too, like to make a little extra. I can also edit film, proofread, and professionally write if you need some help in those arenas. I wrote a dissertation for one of those doctors that agrees with the PPACA that I spoke of before in another blogosphere. He gave me some pretty cool Oakleys for it so it was worth it. The ones Michael Jordan wore at the last Grant Park celebration after The Bulls won their last NBA Championship. You guys will get a kick of this – they are actually called “Mars”.
Libby said- “Again, Sarge, for the last time. I said you won’t see “many”. I know you Republicans only think in black and white and use terms like always, never.”
Wow, nice double entendre with the “only think in Black and White” comment. You are a racist. You and many of your other liberal bretheren see minorities as people that can’t do things for themselves and with your bleeding heart want to help them by “giving them things from the government” as long as they don’t come in your neighborhood, your good with that. Typical liberal crap.
The difference between a democrat and a Republican? A Republican will help the needy by providing temporary assistance and work to find them a job. A democrat will pull $20.00 out of the Republicans pocket and give them the address to the welfare office.
I didn’t even think of the black/white comment as potentially racist. That’s how racist I AM NOT. And I am not for a hand out, but a hand up. Many minorities have not had the advantages others have had and I understand that. They don’t need a hand out. They need to be treated fairly and without bias. I’ve lived in plenty of neighborhoods amongst minorities and non-minorities alike. I do not see color or race, I see a person. It is a shame everyone else can not do the same.
BTW, I am an Army brat and have lived all over the country. My parents had friends of many races and ethnicities. I did not even know there was a thing as racism until I was in high school in NC. You’re barking up the wrong tree with this one, Sarge.
James- go to you tube and type in- Obama voter says vote for obama because he gives a free phone. She is a little heavy,has a dark shirt on and a light blue jacket. Now there is an informed obama voter and typical informed democrat.
Sargent, I saw this video and she is emblematic about what the entitlement crowd is all about. They want everything handed to them on a silver platter. I remember after the 08 election about seeing the video of the woman who was so overjoyed that she was going to get a free car, gas for it, house, food and anything else her heart desired because Obama was going to give it to her. Well, he has succeeded in giving a good part of it to these folks at our expense. Just food stamps alone have gone up 15 million more people than in 09. Social Security Disability has gone up several million in the past 2 years and a good number of them have no business on it.
Sargent, Congratulations to your Tigers for sending the Yankees back to NY in disgrace. You should be playing the Cardinals in the World Series since they are about to close out the Giants. The Cardinals are tough as I can testify to since the Rangers couldn’t close them out and twice got to within one strike and couldn’t do it. However, we didn’t have Verlander and your other really good pitchers. I think Detroit can do it. Good luck.
ObamaCare is a great start to fixing our ongoing disgraceful healthcare system for a First World economy. This plan was good for Romney and for the Republicans that first proposed it. While I would prefer getting the insurance company profits completely out of healthcare, this is a good start and everyone should be in the pool (the game). It’s wrong for people that can pay something to instead wait until their ill and then use the high cost Emergency Rooms as their doctors which causes those of us that pay to have higher premiums. My family cost for health insurance through Blue Cross Blue Shield is $24,000 annually plus $1000 deductible. Not many people can afford that. Working class Republicans need to think about their pocketbooks and whether they want money in their own pockets, or the pockets of the giant insurance companies. I don’t understand the rationale of the working class being against this change that will benefit them tremendously over time. Jeez!!
…and that was the most important thing for Obama to focus on his first year in office? While our economy was going down the drain this president chose to focus on healthcare, and basically take all the steps necessary to divide the country. You honestly think that was the right thing to do as the Leader of the US at that time?
RubysGirl, You are either young and naive; misinformed or both. Allow me to educate you. First, the US has the greatest healthcare system in the world. Our system contains two parts, the providers of service (Doc’s, hospitals, etc) and the insurance companies.
It is the greatest system because our system fosters greatness and innovation for the world’s and this country’s brightest doctors. Anyone in the country can access any doctor of their choice. Country’s with socialized medicine have good doc’s, some very talented. However, their financial incentive is fixed by their govts, thereby limiting the best and brightest to stay within their system. Access to care by the best Doc’s is limited because everyone wants to go to them and it sometimes takes months to get an appointment. Additionally, depending upon the situation, the govt may or may not authorize the level of care a person needs based upon many factors, including age of the patient, potential outcome and overall cost of the test or care. This is why many foreigners come to the US for care.
Our system has disadvantages, mostly the cost. However, there are steps that can be taken to lower those costs, but our govt leaders (Republicans and Democrats) leading up to Obamacare did nothing to take those steps. Obamacare and the eventual costs to all of us, will ultimately bankrupt us because nothing has been done to fix the cause of the problem. Throwing more money and getting more people paying into the system will not satisfy the ever increasing costs.
People blame the insurance companies because they do not know how it works. Insurance companies are allowed to make a profit like any other company. Like other companies they have operating expenses, but their expense include paying losses…the provider (Doc/hospital cost). The best thing to curtail high profits is competition. The current laws do not foster competition. The current laws foster higher expenses due to the runaway lawsuits.
The govt is historically inefficient and has proven that they cannot manage the tax dollars entrusted to them. They routinely rob Peter to pay Paul. That is why Social Security and Medicare are a mess. President Obama has recently admitted that a large portion of our debt is owed to ourselves. This is because they take money from one program and give it to another. This is the equivalent of borrowing money on one credit card to pay the bill of another credit card.
There is no long term benefit to govt run healthcare. It has been tried and it does not work effectively or efficiently. I hope this helps you understand the truth about our healthcare system.
The National Health Care system in the UK is why I have no more living relatives. As my family aged their health care was rationed by the National Institute for Clinical Excellence which is in fact a death panel. Obamacare is no different. My prinary care doctor says he will probably have to close his doors if Obamacare is fully implemented.
I’m sick to death of the leftist socialist morons that post here and have unjustified confidence in the corrupt criminals who are in charge in DC. BTW, I e-mailed and phone the Bush administration asking them to drop the Medicare prescription benefit that cannot be paid for.
Maybe I’m lucky that I’m getting old so I will miss the debacle and the destruction of what was the greatest nation in history.
Great post Water Bug. Pay no attention to Planet, Libby, Birdy. They are part of the problem, not the solution. They believe in all the lies and an administration that is the most corrupt in American history. Obamacare is only one part of what is bad about this government. They trample on the Constitution and think they are above all laws and can do what they want by issuing executive orders to get their way. That will all come to a screeching halt in about 40 days so desperation has set in.
Unemployment stats – stinks
Housing Market – stinks
Economy as a whole – stinks
– This President has done more to divide America than any other president during my voting life time (25 plus years).
– An administration that tries to cover up a terrorist attack against the US
I need a president that gets results – results that are centered on helping Americans – Obama, I am NOT voting for you…
Sargent, FFA, Amazed, Steve and others who express our Conservative views, did any of you catch the speech by Benjamin Netanyahu at the UN the other day? He was the epitome of class and laid it all out about what Israel faces in order to survive against his Muslim neighbors and Iran in particular. This man is a real leader and is extremely intelligent. I wish we had a Netanyahu in this country to be our President, but we have a real shortage of leaders in either of our parties. The worst of all is in office right now and he would rather be “eye candy” on the view rather than meet with world leaders or deal with our country’s problems.
He called and talked with Benjamin, first of all. He is in complete agreement with Netanyahu, second of all. And Benjamin just said last week he isn’t for any particular candidate and he continues to work in perfect cooperation with the US. You can find the audio out there, I heard it live on the radio. But, go ahead and keep misinforming us. By the way, they are at 20% uranium and need to get to at least 80% before they can consider making the bomb and we are actually there inspecting. Sean won’t tell you that, though. Oh wait, you don’t listen to Sean, you just get the same talking points that I read every day before I start listening to conservative radio. Yes, I listen to it every day. I read the talking points every morning so I can see what the daily rage is going to be all about. They should just come out with a newspaper or a website called The Daily Rage (Or How And Why I Hate President Obama Because Rupert Told Me I Should).
Yes, Sgt Major, I am working from home tonight, on a Friday, so no, I didn’t leave a half hour early today so I could beat the traffic.
What bullshit, and you know it. I am for a non-interventionist policy, but for us to snub our only real ally in the middle east to go on a talk show is not only stupid, it’s a slap in the face. It’s probably unprecedented as well!
We need an ally in th Mid East why? Hide Bin Laden? Keep close to oil?
What happened to all this invest in green that OBama preaced? Bust? Waste of $$? Seems the Chevy Volt was a complete bust. Saw something on the news yesterday about that.
Yes, it was revealed that the GM Green Investment in the Volt is just as successful as Solyndra and all the others that have gone belly up. It costs $90,000 to make a $40,000 car that no one wants.
The committee in Congress investigating the Libyan attack is calling Hilary on the carpet to answer questions about why they didn’t provide more security to our Ambassador or evacuate him. She followed the party line for quite a while saying it was all the result of the video when all the evidence says otherwise. I wonder how she will try to spin this or will she throw her exalted leader under the bus. This whole administration is an embarassment to the country.
Just wondering – if the muslum nation is against women, why do we send Billary to deal with them? I am not in favor of the good ole boys network, but seems we would get better results with a Male then a Female.
Why on earth would the Pres lie about this? All eveidence points to planned attack and he says spur of the moment.
Hilary was about to send Egypt and the Muslim Brotherhood another $450 million until the House stopped the funds. What did she think they were going to do with that money? My guess is they would buy more arms (not from us) to use against Israel. I know Libby thinks she is the smartest woman on earth, but she is acting like a pea brain Progressive who thinks we can suck up to the Muslims by giving them money. What a disastrous foreign policy.
Dont we have starving people – in and out side of the gettho – right here on American Soil?
Man oh man, to think what I could do with that kind of cash. Pay my med bills & premiums, feed all my Grand Kids with out the help of food stamps, get my parents the medical attention they need, buy a reliable car, buy a Senate Seat, oh the possibilities!
Just give me One Million, hell half a million, hell, just forgive my tax debt.
Bravo to the House!!!! Screw the mid east – hell, all foreign aid until we are back on our feet
October 12, 2012 at 4:02 pm
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I wonder how Hilary (State Dept) and Petraeus (CIA) feel about being thrown under the bus by Biden last night. Someone is lying about what they knew and when they knew it about the Libyan Terrorist attack. When we have a President, Secretary of State and UN Ambassador insisting it was because of a video for two weeks when they knew it was Al Quida doing the deed 24 hours after the attack, someones head should roll. My guess is that one of the underlings will fall on their sword to protect this administration. They are the most incompetent in this nations history and the prime directive is to protect us from enemies, foreign and domestic. What a joke.
FFA, the problem is that the American People trusted them when they had all the platitudes on Hope & Change. Now, the American People hope we do change from what we have had for the past 4 years. That was quite an exhibition last night on the art of deception. His whole demeanor, bluster, condescending, rude behavior makes me ill. The last hairplug treatment must have penetrated into his pea size brain and set him off. When you combine that with his boss and his lackluster performance, look what we have leading this great country. They need to be retired and out of our hair.
September 29, 2012 at 9:28 am
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Hey Cap, I don’t think this is Rupert talking, lol:
Off Topic – Did any one see the Court Ruling on the Occupy movement in CHicago this week? The court stated the Cerfew Law violated their right to Assemble. Just gave every gan banger the right to gather. Murder rate is up 50% since Rahm (one of Obamas stooges) took over in Chicago.
Wonder how much this is going to boost the murder rate.
Sarah, If we get another 4 years of this nonsense, we will all be on food stamps instead of pay checks. This is one of the many examples of “Trickle Up Poverty”. The internet is just full of articles about the taxes going up for the Middle Class in 2013 and many of them list them out. I know this pleases Libby and Planet since they are part of the Tax & Spend philosophy of their master. Forgive us for not wanting to be “serfs” to this master in the coming years.
Hmmmm,, How does an “average penalty of $1200” times “6 million people” paying the penalty, raise “$6.9 billion in penalties by 2016”?? Sounds more like $72 million to me-more financial c–p from a ridiculous govt.
Jamie, the tax penalty is only the tip of the iceberg. The Middle Class is about to be hit with more taxes in this bill in 2013, it will make all our heads swim. They are determined to make the Middle Class the official Poverty Class in 2013 if we don’t get this rolled back.
Well Agent, was going off topic with you today. Wanted to know your opinion – should I trade my Bears Defense for Miles Austion. After last night, I think I made up my own mind.
Have not followed Base BAll at all this year. So, if the Rangers make it, I’m all for them! Go Demps!
Miles Austin is an OK receiver as long as he stays healthy, which has been the problem with him. Of course, you do have to have the others on the same page and that isn’t happening. As far as the Rangers go, they may be fine whether they win the division or as a wild card. Their pitching has been injury riddled this year and they still have one of the best records in baseball. Dempster has given them some quality starts and hopefully it will continue.
I got countered Bears D for Andrea Johnson. HMMMM…..
A studly receiver for the Studliest of D’s. HMMMMM…..
OBama Romney, thats an easy one.
Bears for Andre, now there is a hard decision.
Any stats heads out there? My buddy from stats inc is even perplexed on that one.
FFA, the only thing you should be concerned about the Bears D is the age of it. As was pointed out last night, several are over 30 and in a violent game, they usually have some debilitating injuries and can’t last the year. The NFL is rightly named – Not for long.
Yes. But like the Cubs I’ll wait till next year to worry about that. Right here, right now looking pretty good. Everyone talks about Urlacher. Personally, I think Briggs is the best on the team. I’ve even heard Brian say that on local TV too. Urlacher has a time shedding blocks after he is engaged. Not Lance. The guy is a beast! Not bad for a late draft pick. If memory serves correctly, 5th round. But, man oh man, can Brian run them rbs down – bust through the line. Even when one LB is down, Roach is a better back up then many starters. Not sure how the Bears keep coming up with these LB’s, but makes for good football.
October 2, 2012 at 6:00 pm
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All you B Ball fans out there betting the playoffs, it seem to hold true year after year – what ever team has the most X Cubs on it loses in true Cub fashion – Choke – Choke -Choke. Its usually one of the X Cubs that do it.
Aside from Dusty Baker, what other Cub former manager has gone on to manage elsewhere? Cant include Lee Elia. He was only an interim manager.
Susan, So long as there are paid bloggers, this will go on. Will be interesting to see who no longer posts after the election.
Are you a betting person? I am betting 4 to 5 will never be heard from after the election. I may be one you never hear from because if OBama wins, I fear I will have to close shop. Hopefully reopen in Wisc. I will never be a Packer Fan!!!!
Many are so afraid the poor man might get something that he did not work for in their high and mighty judgment, regardless of hours worked, humilation endured, sickness or capabilities that the upper class or wanna be’s in society would prefer to set standards via a talk radio host, internet, newspapers, news channels and other equally biased vehicles of communication to spew the vile hatred and lies resulting in gang member mentality of Tea Parties and Wall Street Occupiers. Yet, the poor only receives a small sliver of the pie compared to the giant corporations. The idealogy almost ruined us and the powers that be have convinced many of you hook, line and sinker to go back so they can get the rest of your money. Think for yourself, not what the paid advertisers report to you everyday. Why would you deny your neighbor access to health insurance? Tell the truth. There are no death panels. Stop using scare tactics.
I wish they would tell the truth about wht they think is Affordable. I wish they would tell the truth about what happened in Libya. I wish they would tell the truth about how far in my pocket they are going to stick their hand.
Its a two way street – truth is. Obama is from IL. From my experience, he will never tell the truth – the tax dodger he is. That is probably the October Surprise. Mit has the proof of his involvenment with Resko and he is going to go public.
He never denied being involved with Resko. But you are convicting him based on guilt by association. There is no evidence he did anything illegal. Rich people all over (Republican and Democrat) have access to loop holes, capital, and power that we will never have. That is why they get richer while we get poorer.
I didnt convict him on his involvement. His real estate transaction is a matter of public record. Proof that he used the Loop Hole is right there in Cook County Proerty records.
What is not known is what he knew about Blago & Resco & Levine. The sale of his senate seat. We know he was tight with Jesse Jr. Now, a second crimnal investigation going on with Jr.
You know my opinion. He is from Illinois. He is guilty about something. Hiding behind Executive priviliage in the Trial makes him look even more guilty.
I hear that Jesse Jr is under investigation for misuse of public funds so he could re-decorate his home. No wonder he has been under so much stress and sought treatment. He could have gone to Daddy and asked for the money. How does Chicago produce such fine upstanding citizens?
October 16, 2012 at 8:39 am
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Using loopholes is not illegal.
And if your logic follows through, you are from Illinois so you must be guilty about something.
One size does not fit all, FFA.
October 16, 2012 at 10:20 am
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Re: Jesse Jr – I thought I heard it was for using campaign funds to decorate his DC House.
Loop Holes are not Illegal. He throws stones at Romney for using legal loop holes. So do you. Glass Houses Libby.
If a federal prosecutor calls me, I dont have Executive Privilage to hide behind. Nor have I had any dealings with any one thats been convicted on anything except a traffic ticket.
BTW, Nice game your Broncos put up last night. Very entertaining. Could be just like this election with oBama way out in front and Romney keep chipping away to get the victory!
Not liking the way he tossed Hillary under the buss in the Libya thing. OBama seems to be the type of person that cant stand up and say The Buck Stops Here.
October 16, 2012 at 10:34 am
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I’m against loopholes, period. But you said he did something illegal by using them and he didn’t.
Yes, the game last night was great! Reminded me of the Elway days. Sigh!
October 16, 2012 at 3:16 pm
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Dont recall saying Legal Loop Holes are illegal. Sorry if I misspoke.
YEA Elway! Kicking Tebow to the curb bringing in Manning.
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Well said, Taxpayer. Still we continue to hear the horror stories of death panels and other scare tactics used to invoke fear in the hearts of good Americans. Individually, most are good people. Together, they band together to protect others from getting what’s “theirs”, so afraid someone might get something they’re “not entitled” to get. We are not a society of people that take care of our own, but judge and despise those of us that are not like us. It’s a terrible situation in this country. I want the America back where people looked out for one another and really cared about each other. That American is gone.
FFA, Good one. There seems to be an unending parade of graft and corruption coming out of the great state of Illinois. The land of Lincoln is an embarassment to the country. Honest Abe must be rolling over in his grave. I was also surprised to see Hilary, also from Illinois falling on her sword for Obama. Information has come to light that we had a drone airborne showing this attack in real time so we knew this was not a demonstration from the start and yet she, the UN Ambassador and the President continued their narrative for almost 2 weeks and the President was even proclaiming at the UN that it was the video. Something this serious where you have an Ambassador & three others murdered should have been briefed to the President immediately and the perps identified for who they were. This goes all the way to the top and this administration has failed the people on just about everything. Is Hilary now saying she is not the smartest woman on the planet because she failed to act and set the record straight right from the start? I would like to know the name of the person in the White House who ordered the canned statement about the video. It is time for the real truth to come out.
The loss of American lives on foreign soil is always a tragedy. But don’t you think you are jumping the gun by concluding this is a cover-up? The investigation continues. We don’t even know what really happened yet. Even the families have asked that the deaths of their loved ones not be used for political purposes until all the investigation is done. I think we should honor their wishes and move on to more important topics, like jobs and the economy. That’s what the people want to hear about. Not this.
Libby, why is it that when liberal Progressives get caught with their pants down that they say we should just move on. After all, this was just a “bump in the road” according to your President. 4 people dead including our Ambassador, we knew about it within 24 hours it was Al Quida and you say to move on. The American People need answers on this. I would demand the same from any Republican administration. How about telling the truth for a change? It should be an interesting debate when foreign policy is the subject.
I never said just move on. I said wait until a thorough investigation is done and quit jumping to conclusions. We are demanding answers. But until they’re available, we should not be throwing darts and speculating.
These tragedies happen and they are a fault of the security service, not the President of the United States. Is this really what you want them focusing on tonight? Not me.
October 16, 2012 at 3:06 pm
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Its unfortunate, but it will be used in this election. I know enough about it. I think its horrible for one person to take the fall. Buck stops at the top.
Sorry Libby, I caught you on that one. Re-read your post. Honor their wishes and “move on” to more important topics like jobs and the economy. Clinton kept saying the same thing when he was caught in a huge scandal with Monica. He wanted to concentrate on the nation’s business so the press needed to just “move on” to other business. Of course, back then we still had a press and they could not refrain from making a big deal out of a juicy scandal and him lying to a Federal Grand Jury about it. By the way, your President is fond of saying we shouldn’t jump to conclusions. He said that about the Ft Hood shooting that an avowed Muslim did and also the Christmas Day underwear bomber who failed to blow up the plane over Sargent’s home town. We are tired of the excuses and tired of the lying. We would show respect if the truth were told to the people instead of the incessant lying.
October 18, 2012 at 9:59 am
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I guess you did catch me there, Agent. However, until all the facts are in, you can not say they are lying about it. And the Commander-in-Chief took full responsibility for the attack in Tuesday night’s debate. He did pretty good, didn’t he?
And as far as lying, the fact checkers have found more untruths on your guy’s side than mine. Obama won that debate hands down. Now, on to do the same thing at the polls. Gobama!
October 16, 2012 at 3:11 pm
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Yes there is. Now Barack is keeping his distance from JR & SR.
Truth is out. Extra security was requested. It was denied. Current administration tried to blame it on some hack U Tube video. It seems it was based on the hatred to our nation. Now, they are making Hillary take the fall.
You guys are watching too much Sean Hannity. Just to give it some perspective, let’s not forget on whose watch 9/11 happened and what happened with those pesky WMD’s…
Hannity Trots Out Donald Rumsfeld To Help Turn Benghazi Into Watergate
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If anything should discredit Fox’s attempts to turn Benghazi into Watergate, it’s their use of Donald Rumsfeld to throw stones of foreign policy blunders and cover-ups from his Iraq “Weapons of Mass Destruction” glass house. Not that that would ever be mentioned on “fair and balanced” Fox. In fact, I can’t recall even a scintilla of the interest in the false premises used by the George W. Bush administration to invade Iraq as there is in fingerpointing against the Obama administration before the Benghazi investigation has been completed. So it looks like a twofer for Fox in trotting out Rumsfeld to attack Obama. On the one hand, it looks like an authoritative attack coming from a former Secretary of Defense that Fox viewers saw little to no questioning of his credibility. At the same time, it helps boost that cred by disappearing those black marks on his record.
It was clear Sean Hannity had called up Rumsfeld last night to discredit a statement from Hillary Clinton that “The buck stops here,” with regard to security of diplomats. Why? Not because Hannity gives a fig about their security or how it’s managed – I have yet to see him discuss, much less air a report, on the safety of any living State Department personnel – but because he’s gunning for the top spot on the Democratic food chain.
Rumsfeld did not disappoint. He spoke as if both a White House cover up and guilt were a certainty. “The buck with respect to providing security is certainly within her area of responsibility (but) the way the White House has tried to cover this up… the responsibility for that as well as the responsibility for the Secretary Of State not providing appropriate security does in fact fall to the president.”
Hannity said, “This does not make this go away by any stretch of the imagination.” He was so enthusiastic, he has apparently forgotten (for now, anyway), his latest old video that he was certain would finally persuade the country that Obama’s a racist. But maybe Hannity understood that calling the president a racist at the same time that you’re trying to accuse him of a foreign policy failure cover up might well put a crimp in one’s gravitas.
“This is just one thing,” Rumsfeld said, referring to Benghazi. He went on to attack the rest of the Obama administration’s foreign policy, including Iraq.
Hannity could barely contain the excitement in his voice as he “asked,” “If the White House lied and purposely lied to the American people and were trying to cover this up… what does that mean in terms of… potential political fall out for this president? Seems to me that this goes much deeper than an election with a orchestrated cover up?”
This is not the first time Fox has called on Rumsfeld to attack Obama on national security. So I’ve got an idea: How about Romney finding a place for him on his national security team? How well do you think that would go down with the general public? Something tells me that despite Fox’s best efforts, they won’t be able to disappear Rumsfeld’s record:
Rumsfeld said he knew where the WMD’s were:
MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Finally, weapons of mass destruction. Key goal of the military campaign is finding those weapons of mass destruction. None have been found yet. There was a raid on the Answar Al-Islam Camp up in the north last night. A lot of people expected to find ricin there. None was found. How big of a problem is that? And is it curious to you that given how much control U.S. and coalition forces now have in the country, they haven’t found any weapons of mass destruction?
SEC. RUMSFELD: Not at all. If you think—let me take that, both pieces—the area in the south and the west and the north that coalition forces control is substantial. It happens not to be the area where weapons of mass destruction were dispersed. We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.
Rumsfeld said the U.S. invasion would be welcomed by Iraqis.
Lehrer: Do you expect the invasion, if it comes, to be welcomed by the majority of the civilian population of Iraq?
Rumsfeld: There’s obviously the Shia population in Iraq and the Kurdish population in Iraq have been treated very badly by Saddam Hussein’s regime, they represent a large fraction of the total. There is no question but that they would be welcomed. Go back to Afghanistan, the people were in the streets playing music, cheering, flying kites, and doing all the things that the Taliban and the Al-Qaeda would not let them do. Saddam Hussein has one of the most vicious regimes on the face of the earth. And the people know that.
Rumsfeld doubted the Iraq war would last even six months.
“It is unknowable how long that conflict will last. It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months.”
Moreover, here’s what Bush’s great Secretary of State did:
During the summer of 2001, Rice met with CIA Director George Tenet to discuss the possibilities and prevention of terrorist attacks on American targets. On July 10, 2001, Rice met with Tenet in what he referred to as an “emergency meeting”[43] held at the White House at Tenet’s request to brief Rice and the NSC staff about the potential threat of an impending al Qaeda attack. Rice responded by asking Tenet to give a presentation on the matter to Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Attorney General John Ashcroft. On September 11, 2001, Rice was scheduled to outline a new national security policy that included missile defense as a cornerstone and played down the threat of stateless terrorism.
When asked about the meeting in 2006, Rice asserted she did not recall the specific meeting, commenting that she had met repeatedly with Tenet that summer about terrorist threats. Moreover, she stated that it was “incomprehensible” to her that she had ignored terrorist threats two months before the September 11 attacks.
Great stuff! Do you really want to continue this ridiculous barrage on Obama about Libya???
With OBAma, it began and ended with his Health Care bill. To me, everything else is just icing on the cake – hoping it swings the undecided.
What every president did from Washington right on up to OBama does not matter to me. Its all the past. So, keep your facts and figures comeing from George. He is gone, done.
What matters is the future.
Romney says he will kick the health care bill.
And why do we send women to deal with the Mid East anyways? They have no respect for women. Bush included in that line of reasoning. In sales, we put ourselves in the best possible situation to close the deal. Current nor former president seems to adapt that simple principle. Why not????
BTW, no one knows if it is ridiculous. As you pointed out, the facts are not in as the investigation is ongoing. Could be dead on or could be just like an Il politician when he says he speaks the truth.
October 16, 2012 at 4:39 pm
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Libby, Before 9/11/01, America had not been attacked on our soil since Pearl Harbor in 1941. Slick Willy had some trouble with the USS Cole, Kobar Towers, embassies in Africa so he felt compelled to bomb an aspirin factory in Sudan and send some Cruise Missiles to blow up some jungle jims in Afghanistan. Bin Laden was offered to him on a silver platter and he did nothing. Now, his wife gets caught up in this scandal and has to fall on her sword for the annointed one. It is funny, I don’t recall Bush blaming Clinton for 4 years or eight years for the mess he inherited. He correctly identified the perpetrators and said he would go after them for killing thousands of our citizens. I remember your side actually agreeing with him and Congress gave him an overwhelming vote of confidence for taking action. You can quit with the barrage on Bush & Rice. By the way, that Rice has a whole lot more brains than your Rice and her shameful defense of this President and blaming a Youtube video instead of telling the truth.
October 18, 2012 at 10:52 am
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Libby, It has been over a month now. It seems we all know the facts except for this President and his administration. Perhaps he didn’t know the facts because he was too busy to attend the briefings and campaigning and fund raising was more important. A real President would have convened the National Security Council to deal with a most serious breach of security which led to the deaths of our Ambassador and 3 more. He would have called Hilary on the carpet immediately to explain herself and her underlings behavior and incompetence and why requests for more security were turned down. By the way, your guy leads the league in untruths and has been for 4 years. At best, the debate was a stand off. I wonder why Romney is still surging in the polls if he lost the debate. He should continue to press on the Foreign policy at the next debate. He sure has a lot of ammunition.
He may well have called Hilary on the carpet. As any good manager knows, you do not do that in a public forum. It would have been in private and made public after the investigation is complete.
As far as your surge is concerned, the polls do not yet contain data to include the days after the debate. They are usually based on a 3-day average and the debate was Tuesday night.
Romney knows nothing about foreign policy and I expect him to fall flat on his face Monday.
October 18, 2012 at 11:31 am
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Called her to the carpet??? He threw her under the buss.
October 18, 2012 at 11:36 am
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I happen to remember him standing up at the last debate taking full responsibility for the situation. Or did you not watch again?
October 18, 2012 at 11:45 am
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You are right FFA. He threw her and the CIA under the bus. I don’t know about you, but I don’t want an investigation taking 6 months to discover what we already know. This administration just wants to “move on” to other issues while dodging the problem. The poor guy at the debate asked a specific question about Libya and the President just answered in platitudes about our brave diplomats. How about telling the truth for a change? He would prefer we just accept his answer that this was a “bump in the road” and the investigation is ongoing. That doesn’t cut it with the American People. Libby thinks Romney doesn’t know anything about Foreign Policy. Her President has had the most disastrous foreign policy in 4 years than the previous 10 Presidents. I thought Jimmy Carter was bad. He looks competent by comparison.
October 18, 2012 at 12:06 pm
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Agent, you can’t be serious. Dubya did more harm overseas than any other president in history. Everybody hated us after he finally left office. Obama has had to fly around the world with a giant pooper scooper to clean up the mess. Now we are, once again, held in high esteem by our allies. And the Middle East continues to be the Middle East. Most of those countries will smile to your face while they stab you in the back. They can’t be trusted no matter who is in office. It’s a delicate balancing act dealing with them and he has done very well. We’re not in any new wars. Dubya started 2.
October 16, 2012 at 3:34 pm
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FFA, I am afraid Manning looked a lot like Romo in the first half last night and I lost interest in it at 24-0. I came back to it in the second half and it became a game again. Rivers played the Romo roll in the second half. I lost track of how many interceptions he threw. I am not enamored with Norv Turner’s coaching since he apparently can’t keep his team motivated with a lead. I am not sure how he keeps his job out there. By the way, I don’t think we have seen the last of Tebow. He may yet replace Sanchez in NY if Sanchez continues to mess up. Tebow has performed well in limited opportunities. He is a horse.
Two fumbled punts lead to two scores for San Diego. As far as Norv goes, he is Rons brother (former O cord from the bears that ran the most predictable o in the universe). So, not surprising, I agree. Agree Sanchez sucks. Agree Tebow is waiting for Sanchez to complete the fall.
“Truth is out. Extra security was requested. It was denied. Current administration tried to blame it on some hack U Tube video. It seems it was based on the hatred to our nation. Now, they are making Hillary take the fall.”
I agree the investigation is still ongoing and we shouldn’t be arguing over it, YET.
I dont know what to believe any more. I see the news. I (wrongfully) believe what I hear on the local news. I am trying to ignore all the election crap. This one has become an embarrasment to our nation. Noting but negative, negative and more negative. Sleeze and mud slinging then throw in more BS out of both their mouths. Watching Biden made me wonder how this Good Ole Boy would fare in the back woods of WI while hunting. Someone would be tempted to have an accident. I will be happy when its over. I will be even happier if OBama Care is taken off the books.
With whats going on in my personal life (way more then you can imagine) I am bound to get something wrong. I’ll admit that. Shits so confused in my world right now, I knew my wife Bday was the 14th. I just didnt know the 14th was Sunday. So, ignore my ramblings as you so choose. I am sure your fact checking is correct.
I’ll enjoy the foot ball season, vote against OBoma and pray this health care crap gets kicked by the end of the year!
GO BEARS!
October 17, 2012 at 5:22 pm
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Libby, It has come to light that the State Dept was watching the attack in real time per the drone for 6 hours. Is it criminal for someone not to notify Hilary who in turn would notify the President that our consulate was under attack? Why was the National Security Council not convened in the White House? Why did this President go to the UN 2 weeks after the fact and proclaim it was the video and not Al Quida? Why has he not asked for Hilary’s resignation along with high level underlings who were this incompetent after we lost our Ambassador + three others? The primary duty of a President is to protect us from all enemies, both foreign and domestic. That was my oath when I went into the service. This is a really big deal and the next debate will be dealing with all the lies, distortions and parsing of words of this administration. They are not worthy of our trust on this or any other issue in my opinion.
October 18, 2012 at 10:14 am
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Agent, the answer is simple. He has not had a knee-jerk reaction and started firing people because THE INVESTIGATION IS ON-GOING. I know you are from Texas and you’re used to the way Dubya did things, but jumping the gun is not any way for a President and Commander-in-Chief to react. IN ANY SITUATION. If it’s appropriate to call people on the carpet or even fire them, I’m sure he will have no problem doing that – when the time comes and not before.
October 16, 2012 at 4:48 pm
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Poor Norv, he is not too good at adjusting to changing conditions and what the other team is doing. He just stands there with a puzzled look on his face. Back in the day, he was Jimmy Johnson’s Offensive coordinator at Dallas. They ran a predictable offense, but had the horses to do it with so they won. He is a very average head coach and is headed to another average season. I agree that Elway was one of the greatest and could make something out of nothing when he was at his peak and led many comebacks for wins. In the NL, I hope SF does it since ST Louis broke the Rangers heart last year. Once you get past all the goofy beards they sprout, they have some good players. In the AL, I think the Yankees are toast with Jeter gone and perhaps Sargents team will come through.
Back you head out of the equation. Who in your heart do you want to win?
I believe the Yanks are toast too – not fo rthe same reason. They have a former Cub as their manager. So, I cheer for the Underdog over there in the AL. Jeter being out? Make me cheer harder for them as they have two major obstacles.
But yet – Sarge has a Tripple Crown Winner on deck. Guess I am going to have to cheer for a great game!
In the NL, cheering for San Fran. Why? Jimmy Harbaugh is in the other stadium in town. Turned a wasted draft pick into something.
October 16, 2012 at 5:47 pm
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FFA, I really want the Tigers to win it all since I am an American League guy and it would be great to see Sargent’s team win. The City of Detroit doesn’t have much going for it except for the Tigers. They have the triple crown winner and one of the best pitchers in Verlander. I think 27 world titles are enough for the Yankees. Time to go home for the winter. They can buy Hamilton in the off season and make it back next year.
October 17, 2012 at 4:22 pm
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Well, I want to see a good series.
October 22, 2012 at 10:27 am
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FFA, The last debate is Foreign Policy tonight. I know the economy and jobs is the number one issue and Romney is solidly ahead on that, but Foreign Policy is a big issue since the country’s security is at stake from radical Islam. We need a President who will restore respect, stop apologizing to radicals that want to behead us and call their acts what they are. For a President to proclaim that the death of the Ambassador and 3 others as not “Optimal” is despicable at best. Where is the outrage? Mr. Cool just pronounced the incident as a “bump in the road”. I am sure the Ambassador’s family really liked that statement. Brian Terry’s family is still waiting for justice for their son as well. Oops! The records are hidden in the White House. I wonder if they have been burned in the fireplace yet. Holder will require one of many pardons when Obama exits the White House.
Its been well publicized oBamas acceptance of the murders along with his willingness to keep sending our hard earned tax dollars to these killers of American citizens not to mention the disrespect he showed towards women when he tossed Hillary under the buss. Romney plays his cards right, oBama should be done.
I’ll be watching a different debate that hit closer to home for me -Chicago vs Detroit. Looking for Brandon and Jay to shred Sarges secondary to pieces tonigt. Brandon is on my FF team and I am on the verge of high points.
I really do like Lovie. His even keel demenor seems to not do well in this town, but he just keeps on winning. At the end of the day, thats all its about. He would be a great role model for any one.
October 12, 2012 at 4:43 pm
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Anyone that says “trust me” as many times as Biden did should not be trusted. This sad sorry debacle on tv last night was a sad commentary. Jerry Springer in Prime time. Biden was so disrespectfull – 82 time is what is being reported – interuppted what Ryan was saying. Of course, what should you expect from a Good Ol Boy?
His famous line is “You are a liar” – God Luv ya! Joe was being Joe. He is one filthy politician who has been in the public spotlight far too long. Time to go back to the Delaware farm for good and your boss to Hawaii.
I got the feeling that he was talking down to anyone younger then him. His smirk. His demeanor. One of them smart a@# people you just want to shove something in his mouth so you dont have to hear him any more. At least, Ryan let him finish what he was saying.
Dont care what the press says, in my opinion, Biden lost what little respect he had in my eyes.
Playing the blame game on Libbya – what an ass.
FFA, Obama not only threw Hilary under the bus, but the CIA as well. Both she and Petraeus cannot be happy campers. I saw one report that the CIA station chief did send a cable to the White House about this attack and it went unheeded. I hope this all comes out and Romney hits a home run tonight. This administration has such a bad record on everything, they cannot spin their way out of it. It is time the truth was revealed. We have incompetents in charge including the smartest woman on the planet. She has no excuses either.
The last question in the debate really made me want to puke. They get told that through the eyes of a Vet, the mud slinging is just sleezy. So what do they do, they both turn it into a chance to throw more mud.
Taxpayer, I agree the poor only receive a small sliver of the pie compared to the giant corporations. But that’s exactly what Obama and Biden want! That way, you’ll be beholden to them only, asking for relief!
Bills, the Democratic Party aka Progressive Socialist Party is in the business of making the society more dependent on government, keeping the populace dumbed down so they will believe a slogan rather than the truth and taxing and spending the country into bankruptcy. That is a sure fire formula for reducing the greatest country the world has ever seen down to the level of Venezuela.
Agent, you are ridiculous. They have no motive for wanting a dependant society and bankrupting the country. Please, at the very least, get a coherent argument that makes sense. You don’t agree with their economics, their foreign policy. I get that. But all this other nonsense is just that, nonsense.
Libby, What part of Dependent Society do you not understand? We have more people on foodstamps than at any part of the country’s history and it has almost doubled in the past 4 years. More on welfare, Social Security Disability and we have annual Trillion dollar plus deficits with almost $6Trillion in the last 4 years. Is that coherent enough for you? This country has been in a death spriral for the past 5 years and your guy is making it worse by the day. It is a good thing he has less than a month to rule and then we can start the process of recovery under a real leader.
The reason we have more people on assistance right now is because of Wall Street greed and not because Democrats want to keep us dependant and bankrupt the country.
Now tell me you don’t agree with that and then we’ll argue the cause of the greed on Wall Street.
I’ll be glad to tell you I don’t agree with that since you only touched on the tip of the iceberg. Politicians on both sides of the aisle, primarily liberal Democrats set the stage for the housing debacle by not watching Fannie & Freddie and allowing people to have mortgages who had no hope of paying for them. It was bound to implode and cause the economic problems we have experienced. Wall Street took advantage of the situation by peddling all the bad sub prime paper. Your guy has taken this country to a new level of dependency. Instead of focusing on the economy and job recovery, he spent 18 months on ramming Obamacare down our throats. Don’t bother to tell me the Stimulus created good, permanent private sector jobs. It was all about political payoffs to State, County and city governments to keep their spending levels up. Of course, they blew right through their money and most are still broke or about to be. This administration has done just the opposite of what needed to be done to recover this economy. The proof is in the pudding. A growth rate of an average of 1.3% is no recovery at all and business is not going to hire until the government is changed out.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. The CRA had nothing to do with the financial crises and some very intelligient people in the know agreed with me:
A study, by a legal firm which counsels financial services entities on Community Reinvestment Act compliance, found that CRA-covered institutions were less likely to make subprime loans (only 20-25% of all subprime loans), and when they did the interest rates were lower. The banks were half as likely to resell the loans to other parties.[21]
Federal Reserve Governor Randall Kroszner says the CRA isn’t to blame for the subprime mess, “First, only a small portion of subprime mortgage originations are related to the CRA. Second, CRA-related loans appear to perform comparably to other types of subprime loans. Taken together… we believe that the available evidence runs counter to the contention that the CRA contributed in any substantive way to the current mortgage crisis,” Kroszner said: “Only 6% of all the higher-priced loans were extended by CRA-covered lenders to lower-income borrowers or neighborhoods in their CRA assessment areas, the local geographies that are the primary focus for CRA evaluation purposes.”[22]
FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair disputes that the CRA was a problem. In a 2008 speech delivered to The New America Foundation conference, Bair remarked, “Let me ask you: where in the CRA does it say: make loans to people who can’t afford to repay? No-where! And the fact is, the lending practices that are causing problems today were driven by a desire for market share and revenue growth … pure and simple.
More than 84 percent of the subprime mortgages came from private lending institutions in 2006 and the share of subprime loans insured by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac decreased as the bubble got bigger (from a high of insuring 48 percent to insuring 24 percent of all subprime loans in 2006). Despite conservative criticism for government lending programs as the main cause of the crisis, much of the crisis was independent of government home loan programs.
Economist Paul Krugman has also argued in July 2008 that although the GSE are “problematic institutions,” they played a small role in the crisis because they were legally barred from engaging in subprime lending. Economist Russell Roberts has taken issue with Krugman’s contention that the GSEs did not engage in subprime lending, citing a June 2008 Washington Post article which stated that “[f]rom 2004 to 2006, the two [GSEs] purchased $434 billion in securities backed by subprime loans, creating a market for more such lending.” Furthermore, a 2004 HUD report admitted that while trading securities that were backed by subprime mortgages was something that the GSEs officially disavowed, they nevertheless participated in the market. However, in 2011, the Federal Reserve, using statistical comparisons of geographic regions which were and were not subject to GSE regulations finds that GSEs played no significant role in the subprime crisis. In the final analysis, those who seek to deflect criticism of Fannie Mae and Fredie Mac by pointing out that private lenders eventually issued most of the worst performing loans ignore the primary role that the GSE’s played in expanding the use of subprime loans.
October 15, 2012 at 12:16 pm
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Just trying to be fair minded and balanced. I showed both sides of the coin on Freddie and Fannie to illustrate both sides have a valid argument. I know which side you are on.
October 15, 2012 at 1:04 pm
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Libby, the roots of the sub prime mess is like a many headed monster. Politicians going back to the Clinton Administration bought into the notion that everyone should enjoy home ownership and put in policies to make that happen. In addition, groups like Acorn and others demonstrated outside banks to force the issue. We had Bawney and Chris saying Fannie & Freddie were sound even though all the evidence pointed toward big trouble and they were warned several times. Then, we had the asleep at the switch SEC not monitoring all the bad paper trades going on and doing something about it. You can make all the excuses you want to about liberal politicians, but the facts are they are the reason all this happened and they are the cause of the meltdown. I blame both sides for not representing We the People.
October 15, 2012 at 1:42 pm
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If you blame both sides for not representing the people, how can you say it’s all the Democrats fault for the meltdown? You’re right, it’s a many-headed monster, but it’s root cause is greed. Yes, the government discouraged redlining and encouraged homeownership in low income areas. It’s proven that people who own their home are more likely to take care of the property and neighborhood in which they live.
Government, however, did not tell banks to forgo underwriting guidelines and lend money to any and all comers. Nowhere did they say that or endorse that. That was the greed part. And it came from all sides.
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I dis agree. Its because once people see how easy it is to stay on assistance, they come to the conclusion “Why bother working when I can just stick my hand out?”. The current system breeds laziness. It enables the lazy asses to take advantage of what was supposed to be a helping hand to get back on their feet.
The health care law will out in peoples mind – Why Bother buying it until I need it? The petty nusiance fine? Mot enough motivation for them people.
Hi FFA. As you can see, I have had some bouts with Libby today about the Entitlement Society she believes in so fervently. She wants to blame the greedy bankers for all of it and I blame the sleazy crooked politicians for starting the ball rolling and passing so much disastrous legislation that created the system that is in full swing. Margaret Thatcher said it best when she said the problem with Socialism is that soon you run out of other peoples money. Progressive Socialism is a mental disease and I am afraid poor Libby has a fatal case of it. Perhaps it will be covered under Obamacare if she can find a doctor to treat it.
I can see. I’ve made a concentrated effort to stay off IJ for the time being as I need to refocus back on Biz. I get so agrivated with some of the stuff that gets posted. I lose my focus in the offfice and business hurts. Cant watch the news without somethign else coming out – Jesse Jr has a second criminal investigation going on now.
October 16, 2012 at 8:35 am
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What does the banking crises have to do with entitlements, Agent? You just throw out the same tired lines hoping they’ll make some sense, but they never do.
If boneheadedness is a disease, then I think you might be afflicted. And I can pretty much guarantee there is no cure for you. You are too far gone.
October 15, 2012 at 3:33 pm
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I said Progressive politicians from both sides of the aisle Libby. Try these on for ringleaders. Bawny Frank, Chris Dodd, Charlie Rangel, Maxine Waters, Barbara Jackson Lee, Chuck Schumer,Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Patti Murray and your favorite President were primarily the instigators of the disastrous legislation which has led us to the mess we are in. There are a couple hundred more that could be named or they were coerced into voting for much of it.
Libby, I guess you are disappointed that I named Democrats. I will throw you a bone and name John McCain and his joined at the hip mate Lindsey Graham who are RINO’s to the extreme. I don’t have much use for them either. They are part of the problem, not the solution.
My negative is in response that legislation brought this on. It did not. Crooked, sleazy, and greedy bankers are the cause. Abolishing redlining was a good thing for those neighborhoods that desparately needed homeownership to build the community.
I know friends of mine that lived comfortably in a $250,000 house, but when the money started flowing they went out a purchased a $450,000 house. And there are plenty other stories out there like that. People buying RV’s, cars and boats they couldn’t afford, just because the capital was available. Any banker worth their salt had to know these loans were not sustainable, but they went forward with them becase, guess what? They made money by loaning money to people that could not afford to pay it back. It’s immoral and these people should be stripped of all the millions they made doing it.
By all means Libby, let’s not blame all the sleazy, crooked politicians who have been in office far too long and passed far too much liberal legislation and failed the people miserably for the past 30 years. They have practiced legalized stealing from the people for decades and more than half of the ones I named should be sitting in a jail cell next to Madoff. The government has failed us and they have bailed out banks because the banks knew that they would be deemed “Too big to fail” and would get taxpayer money. AIG is the poster child to the tune of $182 Billion for their credit default swap schemes. Why aren’t the leaders of this fiasco in jail right now for fraud? It is because our politicians don’t want the info coming out about their contributors, many of them the crony buddies of the politicians.
October 16, 2012 at 8:30 am
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Let’s put the blame where the blame belongs. By all means, crooked, sleazy politicians are to blame for alot of things. But not this one. This one was caused by greedy, crooked, sleazy bankers.
FFA, The President wants us to accept the “new normal” regarding gasoline and energy costs. Remember him saying when he was running the first time that under his plan, energy costs would necessarily skyrocket. When we have $4.00-5.00 gas prices across the country, every good and service goes up because of energy costs to bring the goods to market. It is reflected in the price of everything we buy. Romney cannot make gasoline go down to $1.84 overnight, but with a commitment to develop our resources, bring in Keystone, the supply will increase and we will see a drop in gasoline prices. I could hardly believe my ears when he said the reason why gas prices were low when he assumed office was that we were in the midst of a recession. That is about as convoluted as it gets for an explanation. The real reason he likes high prices on fuel is that he collects a lot more taxes to further the agenda. No wonder Romney is surging in the polls.
“Surging – to increase strongly and suddenly; especially to make a sudden concerted rush in a particular direction ”
You must be reading different polls than I am. They haven’t even been tallied after the debate, so it’s too soon to know it’s effect. Just sit tight. We’re in for a surge in the other direction.
For every pro Romney pool, there is a pro OBummer poll.
I open my doors (email)this morning and first thing on the agenda is cancelling two lessors risk policies that they have lost to forclosure. That makes three of my former clients closing their doors due to this mess. Another business right up the road that employed more then 20 and used countless local contractors closed.
Corruption has hit my local mayors office.
4 more years of this???? You have to be brain dead to not see whats going on under obama not to mention his foreign policy, his give a way style.
FFA, I really emphathize with you living in the most corrupt city in the most corrupt state in the union. The latest travesty to hit the news is that the great state of Illinois has been paying unemployment benefits to prisoners in several jails around the state to the tune of $2million. I guess crime really pays there. Sit on your butt, get three squares, access to healthcare and on top of that get unemployment benefits from the state. How did your state go so wrong? How can the citizens keep electing such bad people?
October 18, 2012 at 10:39 am
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And just what does Romney know about foreign policy? Or does he have a binder full of diplomats, too? The guy is an elitist, sexist, hypocrital flip-flopper. He bends to the political wind like a reed. Obama has made progress, it just takes time. If you were expecting miracles, your guy died on the cross 2012 years ago. Romney will do nothing but set us back in our ways and the rich will get richer. Since neither of us are rich, I can’t believe you would vote for him. You must hate Bert & Ernie…
October 18, 2012 at 11:00 am
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Its a way of life in Chicago. Chicago runs the state. Quinn won every county except three (may be wrong so fact checkers – have at it) – but he won Crook County.
And Libby, I dont know what he does or doesnt know about Foreign policy. OBama Care was the deciding factor for me. President Give A Way has got to go for any hope of recovery any time soon.
OBama will have to answer at some point in time for what ever his involvement with Blago was. You folks outside Il have no idea how bad things are here. And thos is where he cut his teeth in the most corrupt county in the most corrupt state.
As far as the debate goes, both were just rude – constantly interrupting each other. Another sad display of the options availible.
Bert & Ernie dont feed my family, pay my mortgage, the excessive prices we pay for gas. Commercial Clients do. When Commercial Clients close their doors, it hurts.
My daughter just got something in the mail stating her lazy ass is going to get more give a way money furthering her belief that she dont have to get a job, just stick her hand out. 500,000 more women out of work then there were 4 years ago? Wonder why. HMMMMM.
Before you, or any one for that matter, goes to vote, ask your self – Do I really want an Ill Politician at the highest level of Govt there is?
October 18, 2012 at 11:26 am
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Chicago has been like that since the days of Al Capone, but Obama is not from Illinois. He moved there when he was hired to be a community organization and he’s done alot of good for the area.
I hardly think it fair that you link him to corrupt politics in your state as there is no evidence of that. It is pure speculation and conjecture which borders on slander.
We have all lost commercial business lately, but Obamacare is not the reason for it. It hasn’t even kicked in yet.
October 18, 2012 at 11:27 am
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And what was that crack about women out of work all about? Are you saying we’re lazy and want to sit on our asses waiting for a hand-out?
October 18, 2012 at 11:39 am
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No. I did not say that. Romney cited a stat that there are 500,000 more women out of work today then there were 4 years ago. Thats what I am saying. Nothing more. Nothing less. Just that. Just that only. Nothing but that. I’m old school. No hidden meaning. Nothing moren the exactly what I typed. I stated my daughter is a lazy ass. One lazy ass does not imply all women are lazy asses. Hell, the fathers of her children – men – are scum bag dead beats. One hass dropped off the edge of the earth. Has not been heard from for quit some time. The other at least calles once a week or so. That dont mean all men are lay ass scum bags so dont read anything into it that is not there.
If anything, I am saying the job market sucks and is getting worse every day.
October 18, 2012 at 12:00 pm
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OK. I jumped the gun on that one. Sorry. The job market, and the market overall, in fact is improving. Not by leaps and bounds, but there is recovery started. That has been confirmed by fact checkers after the debate. Jobs have been created and I am actually seeing alot of real estate movement and A/P audits coming through.
October 18, 2012 at 12:06 pm
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Libby, Good going. You have no legitimate argument about your President so you do what other liberal Progressives do and demonize and call Romney names. You shouldn’t cast stones if you live in a glass house. Your President is the Elitist in Chief. Name one other President who has taken 17 vacations to the tune of $10 million on our dime in a four year period. Who spends hundreds of thousands of our tax dollars to take his wife to NY to see a Broadway show for “Date Night”? As far as it taking time, I agree that it will take time to reverse the damage done in the past 4 years. A good start is to reverse all the Executive Orders and dismantle the EPA then move on to ridding ourselves from Obamacare. A good house cleaning of departments and agencies would be most appropriate. It is time for fiscal responsibility, cutting taxes and spending at the same time. It has been the tonic for recovery everytime it has been done.
October 18, 2012 at 12:30 pm
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Now I know you are talking out of your ass, Agent. Obama has taken a total of 26 vacation days since taking office.
“President Reagan, in 1981, spent all or part of 42 days away from the White House “on vacation” at his home in Santa Barbara, Calif, according to Knoller. President Reagan and his wife, Nancy, also spent three or four days around New Year’s Day each year in Palm Springs, Calif., at the home of philanthropist Walter Annenberg. (In 1993 the late Mr. Annenberg founded the nonpartisan Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania, which is FactCheck.org’s parent organization.)
President George W. Bush spent even more time away from the presidential mansion in the nation’s capital than Reagan. Of the 77 total “vacation” trips the former president made to his Texas ranch while in office, nine of them — all or part of 69 days — came during his first year as president in 2001, according to Knoller.”
George Bush took more vacation time in ONE year than Obama has taken in four. Three times as many.
And you begrudge him a date night with his wife. That’s absurd. Talk about grasping at straws and demonizing! That takes the cake.
October 18, 2012 at 12:33 pm
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Sorry. That was 26 days in his first year. Still 1/3 of the number Dubya took. Just sayin.
October 18, 2012 at 12:33 pm
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During the Debate, he referred to Chicago as his hme town. He owns a home there.
Job market is getting no better here at all. Fact is, it sucks.
I dis agree with agent on the order. Obama care first and formost. China Trade Agreement next. The NAFTA. Oh, and cut off all foreign aid to the mid east terrorist nations. Every penny.
And yes Libby. the state of Il – Chicago & Cook County in particular have been a hot bed of corruption for ever. Thats where OBama cut his political teeth – under Blag, pals with Resco & Levine and Jr & Sr. He surronded him self with corrupt people.
Ever hear the expression – Birds of a feather? He is hiding something with Blago & that Senate Seat He is not denying anything. He hid behind Executive Privilage as did his cronie Rahm. How his cronie doing on stopping violent crime? He dismantled the Gang Task Force right away. Murder rate spiked. Looks to me like daley had that right.
October 18, 2012 at 4:38 pm
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Libby, the so called binder comment you made about Romney was as distorted as it gets. The binder Romney was provided was from a women’s group so he could hire more women in Massachusetts since he found when he took office there was a scarcity of women working in the state. He wanted to hire more and did. So much for the war on women. The other crack about him not knowing foreign policy is a joke too. Look at your own leader and his foreign policy mistakes and apologies to the world. He even spent $70,000 of our dollars on a video apologizing for the video when the video had nothing to do with what happened in Libya. Romney has his advisors and he will show up to debate on Monday. Get ready for a butt whipping.
October 19, 2012 at 8:35 am
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Agent, I wouldn’t expect a right-wing male to understand why that phrase was so offensive to women. I will paraphrase some quotes I read, as they illustrate much better than I could:
“Why did the phrase resonate? Because it was tone deaf, condescending, and out of touch with the actual economic issues that women are so bothered about.”
“The phrase objectified and dehumanized women. It played right into the perception that so many women have feared about a Romney administration–that a president Romney would be sexist and set women back.”
“Gosh, Romney’s suddenly in a binder–I mean bind.”
October 18, 2012 at 11:30 am
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And, Agent, I know you don’t like my comments but since you are the only one voting it’s kind of meaningless to thumb me down at this point. You, FFA, and I are the only ones still following this one…
Im not a hater either. Just disagre with your politics.
October 25, 2012 at 1:57 pm
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I quit following this because Agent has disliked my comments so many time, all my posts are hidden. It’s impossible to know what I’ve said or not said up to now.
I know you are not a hater, FFA. You’re OK in my book.
October 19, 2012 at 9:48 am
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Libby, You are the typical liberal feminist who is hypercritical of anything you see or hear a Conservative say or do. Making a big deal out of Gov Romney’s binder of women’s resume’s provided to him by a women’s group so that he could hire more women for Massachusetts State government goes beyond the pale. Where was he supposed to get the candidates for jobs, at the local unemployment office? Perhaps ACORN??? I thought feminists were all about advancing women’s jobs, equal pay etc. Romney had a good record of employing women in Massachusetts and he will advance job opportunities for women in the country as well. By the way, 500,000 less women in the workforce than 4 years ago under your President.
And you Agent, are the typical right-wing conservative that is hypercritical of anything you see or hear Obama do or say. Jumping on him for using the word “optimal” during an interview and then try to make into something negative is the same type of behavior.
The president’s “optimal” comment seemed to be a reference to Stewart’s characterization of the response, since he used the same word.
Yes FFA. I think Detroit will close out the Yankees in 4. Sargent should be real happy right about now. A World Series in Detroit will be good for the town.
I am liking their chances. I hope they get the economic boot from the series. From the news yesterday, I would be afraid to have a world series in NY right now.
Guess what Libby, Detroit is winning. Why would there be a lot of fear for a winning team? Of course it may be a different story if they win it all. Fans have been known to loot and riot in their celebrations in other cities. I am sure the Police will have a big presence at these games anyway.
October 19, 2012 at 9:17 am
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FFA, As I suspected, the Tigers polished off the Yanks last night and will await either the Cardinals or Giants. The Cardinals are stronger than garlic so they will probably finish the Giants in their next game. It is interesting that the Yankees have 11 free agents, most of them will probably leave. Rodrigeuz has a no trade clause, but he will probably give them permission to shop his wares since he apparently wants out now. The Yankees will just go out and buy another bunch of players including Josh Hamilton for next year. They have the disposable income unlike most Americans.
Well Agent, I will be pulling for the Cards. They lost a significant amount of talent and their Manager and they are knocking on the door. Besides – A Mid West Series sounds kinda cool.
As far as A Rod goes, he got benched on the big stage. Going to be hard for someone to take a some one that chocks when he needs to be stepping up.
As far as Hamilton goes, the Rangers gave his a shot when no one else would. MAybe – jusy maybe there will be some loyalty there. If he dos go, I hope he stays out of the Central — NL & AL.
If the cards do make it, I guess I would want the Cards to win. No one in particular makes me feel as gushy inside. But to see a great series – thats what I am really cheering for.
Well FFA, the Cards haven’t closed the deal yet. The Giants are pesky and they aren’t going quietly into the night. Both teams broke the Rangers heart the last two years and they compete. It will come down to who has the best pitching in game 7.
A Rod is gone in NY. He has one of those no trade guaranteed contracts so I don’t know which team he will approve and what team can pick up the contract. He does have a good agent to negotiate deals like he has. I also think Hamilton is gone. The Rangers are not very good at keeping elite players once tehey reach a certain level. They all talk about enjoying their time playing there and then they sign somewhere else. Loyalty went away many years ago and seldom does a great player stay with their original team until retirement. The last one I remember was Cal Ripken with the Orioles and that was a while back.
October 18, 2012 at 2:39 pm
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There have been on bombing plots uncovered in Detroit that has made the Chicago news. Chicago, a few weeks back. Yesterday The Federal Reserve Bank in New York City.
The Great American Past Time being played on the biggest stage possibly in the owrld – Yankee Satdium. The whole world watching the World Series.
FFA, I agree 100% that this country should cut off all Foreign Aid until our economy recovers. The Middle East should be first on the cut off list. How can they hate us anymore than they do already? On NY, they have a lot of experience with Terrorist plots and have a task force that does nothing but discovering plots and stopping them. Even as good as they are, they didn’t stop the Times Square bomber. They were very lucky on that one that the dufus Terrorist didn’t know how to set it off. Several hundred could have been killed in that congested area. Perhaps NY should be called in by Homeland Security to advise on how to discover and stop plots. Incompetano has no clue.
I don’t know enough about it to have an opinion on that one way or another. But certainly we shouldn’t be funding those countries that promote, shield, or encourage terrorism. Trouble is, you can’t tell who’s lying and who’s not. They’re slicker than snot over there.
I knew there had to be some reason for sending money to the Middle East. This is some of the information I found:
For policymakers, foreign assistance plays a key role in advancing U.S. foreign policy goals in
the Middle East. The United States has a number of interests in the region, ranging from support
for the state of Israel and Israel’s peaceful relations with its Arab neighbors, to the protection of
vital petroleum supplies and the fight against international terrorism. U.S. assistance helps to
maintain the 1979 peace treaty between Israel and Egypt and the continued stability of the
Kingdom of Jordan, which signed its own peace treaty with Israel in 1994. U.S. funding also
works to strengthen Palestinian institutions, and aid officials have worked to ensure that U.S. aid
to the West Bank and Gaza Strip is not diverted to terrorist groups. Since the attacks of September
11, 2001, the United States has established region-wide aid programs to promote democracy and
encourage socio-economic reform in order to undercut the forces of radicalism in some Arab
countries. -Congressional Research Service
It was 31 pages, so I didn’t read the whole thing. If you’re interested, the link is:
Save the Liberal BS Libby and look at reality. In return for our aid to Egypt, they (Muslim Brotherhood) have pledged to wipe Israel off the map, just like Iran has said. They think we are as dumb as a doorknob. All they see us as is a money provider to further their agenda. The Palestinians have taken all our aid and the leaders have squirreled it away to buy arms or put it in Swiss Banks and the people still live like they have for hundreds of years. Anwar Sadat was an admired reformer and made peace with Israel and what did he get for his trouble? Assassination! We need to wake up and smell the coffee. These people mean to harm us and no amount of aid or diplomacy will do one iota of good.
It wasn’t liberal BS, Agent. It was only a sampling of some of the things we use our money in the Middle-East. It wasn’t meant as a political statement. Relax.
October 19, 2012 at 10:07 am
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Libby, your detached elitist President went on the Jon Stewart program and said that the deaths of our Ambassador and 3 others was not “optimal”?????? This is over a month later and he still cannot get his act together. Also, he still thinks the two former Seals were part of the Ambassador’s security team. Information has come out that they were in Libya on a completely different assignment several miles away and only responded to the Terrorist attack at the consulate to help and it cost them their lives. Apparently, the Ambassador had almost no protection at all since requests for more protection were declined. This President did not convene the National Security Council, flew off on a fundraiser the day after and then said this incident was a “bump in the road”. This is the most horrible example of foreign policy buffoonery that I have seen in my adult lifetime. We have the wrong people in charge of our government and it will be rectified in a few weeks.
October 19, 2012 at 1:43 pm
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Screw the Mid East Libby. We have problems here on American Soil that needs our financial resources.
October 19, 2012 at 9:49 pm
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It’s fine if you believe it, but most people don’t. Stop all Middle Eastern aid!!
Libby, I have seen numerous articles over the years and interviews with Muslims on how they view us and what their goal is. They view any westerner, particularly Americans as “infidels” who will either be converted to Islam or killed. They are the most devious people on earth and think it is ok to lie or deceive us. They either sponsor or allow Terrorists to train in their country. This is not a religion of peace and tolerance. Every country that allows them to immigrate to that country is having big problems since they don’t assimilate into that society and immediately start demanding Sharia Law, honor killing to be approved etc. Ask anyone from Britain or other European countries how it is working for them. I worry about the growing presence in this country and how many mosques are being built to hide Terror cells in. They are just waiting for Jihad to be declared and they will wreak havoc everywhere they are. It is time this country woke up to the threat and no matter who is President, this will be a major thorn in this country’s side.
These are not Muslims you speak of. They are fanatical terrorists that don’t resemble the religion of Islam in the least. You can not lump all these people together with the small faction that wants to harm us. All Muslims do not think the same, just as all Catholics do not.
I understand there is a threat, but on the same hand whipping everyone into a frenzy will only cause more problems. Put your guns and spurs away for a minute and think for heavens sake!
This kind of biased, hate-filled crap is wrong and has no place in this country or any other country.
Libby, you take naivety to a new level. Our own military had a Muslim inbedded in the Army, the now infamous Major Hassan who famously shouted Allah Akbar when shooting our soldiers at Ft Hood. These terrorists have taken the teachings of the Quran to a new level and infidels are not to be tolerated. All of these incidents that have been happening here and abroad should wake you up to the threat, but you would prefer to hide your head in the sand. Our government keeps apologizing to them hoping they will make nice with us. The Muslim community in this country is afraid to condemn them for fear of being murdered. When we have a strong, peaceful community of Muslims standing up to the Jihadists and calling them for what they are, I will feel better about them. I am not holding my breath waiting for that to happen.
In my head, its not biased hate filled crap. Its fear. Its terror. Ther are terrorists. Thats what they do – strike fear and terror in our hearts, our minds, our souls.
On my visit to NYC, seeing the National Guard walking around the Sub Way was not very comforting. I wont go back there. I dont even like going into Chicago. Even Wriggley Ville. Maybe I’m just paranoid. But, the terrorists have done their job. Rural Wisconsin sounding better and better.
You are right FFA. They have gotten in the heads of our government and the people. Everyone is afraid of offending Islam for fear of reprisal. Our Apoligist in Chief actually spent $70,000 of our taxpayer dollars to apologize for the video and didn’t offer protection to our Ambassador after it was requested several times. I think the priorities are a little off, don’t you?
You can call me naive. At least I don’t live in fear every day, which I refuse to do. If you do that, they have won.
And I haven’t stuck my head in the sand. I have just put things in perspective. There are millions of Muslims in the world and only a minute fraction are fanatical terrorists. By saying all Muslims are like that is biased and hate-filled and is crap.
Agent, do you even know what the word jihad means? It means struggle. When used in the Quran, it is usually linked to the phrase “striving in the way of God”.
Overall, Islam is a religion of peace, but a select faction of Muslims has twisted their idea of “the way of God” to include killing all infidels. And yes, they mean to kill us. But it’s not the norm.
So quit with the fear-mongering, a common tactic of the far-right used to force their political agenda. We’re not buying it.
Hail Libby, the defender of Islam as the religion of peace and tolerance. If you were living in a Muslim country, you would be treated as the man’s property, would have to share him with several other wives, not be allowed to drive, speak out or go out on your own, vote in many places and would be stoned to death as an honor killing if you had an affair. This religion was born and bred in the early middle ages and I just cited the better side of it. The Jihadists take it a step further and say infidels must be annihilated.
Agent, you just continue to show the world your narrow-minded, completely biased, intolerant, and downright hate-filled contempt for those who are not like you. I am not a Muslim, I just choose to open my mind to learn about things before condemning them. You should try it sometime. You might learn something.
October 19, 2012 at 1:11 pm
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Libby, Can you cite one country that the Muslims have been allowed to immigrate to where they accept the laws of that country and not try to change it to Sharia Law? Even in this country, they are trying to do that and don’t recognize our Constitution. It is perfectly ok for them to honor kill a daughter if she looks at an infidel boy. They live in their own community, make their women wear those horrible clothes and cover their faces. It may be ok in the Middle East, but not here. We need to offer them a one way ticket back to the country of origin. This is the USA, not Libya.
October 19, 2012 at 1:41 pm
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The USA is made up of people that wear different clothes, have different customs, and speak different languages. I’m sure you have some traditions or customs that are particular to your family &/or heritage and that’s a good thing. Those things should be embraced and carried on in families.
In America you can wear whatever clothes you choose to wear and practice any religion you want. Have you forgotten why our founding fathers came here in the first place? What’s next Agent, let’s get rid of all people that don’t wear cowboy boots and own a gun like you?
Certainly they may believe in honor killing if they like, that’s not illegal. Carrying through with it however, is and they would be prosecuted for it the same as anyone else in this country.
Perhps Muslims have difficulty assimilating because of people like you that mock them, want them to change their cultures and traditions, wish to limit their ability to build houses of worship and basically, “offer them a one way ticket back to the country of origin.” Not a very nice way to treat people that are coming here in the very same way your family did at one time.
Maybe you’ll empathize a little with the Native Americans and how they felt at one time. No, probably not. You’re not very strong on empathy.
If you want to try it out, you could start by reading this link:
Iran getting close to a Nuke. I live close enough to Fermi & Argon National Labs. I am sure both of them have at lease one Nuke pointed at them from somewhere in the world. Even if they set the thing off at the mid point, I am vaporized. To hear Biden & OBama say Economic sanctions – you got to be kidding me! Its Iran.
I am currently listening to Bruce Springsteen – The Rising. Always takes me back to the day the world changed. I would lay money down you know exactly what you were doing when you realized we were being attacked on our own soil. Iraq war had to happen. Afganistan had to happen. It appears that Iran and Libbya need to happen. But no, lets talk. We can trust them – right? After all they hate us, but not that much – right?
So lets play Joes game of who do you trust. Iran? OBama does. Libbya? Obama does. Egypt? oBama does.
I wont be watching this debate – Da Bears play Monday night. Interested to see the Nielsen ratings – Da Bears VS More political lies / deceit – BS TV.
FFA, Here is something near and dear to your heart since it is from Chicago/Cook Cty. I just read and article about your wonderful Toni Preckwinkle, Cook Cty Board President. She has solved the murder crisis in Chicago. They are going to tax each bullet sold a nickel and each firearm $25. That should solve everything, right? Every solution is a tax. Does anyone believe that will slow the thugs down since they buy on the black market anyway? In my view, it will slow down the law abiding citizen who seeks to defend himself. Toni sounds about as bright as Rhambo Deadfish. The article stated Chicago has had 409 murders year to date vs 324 for all last year.
Yep. I heard about that too. Another Tax that will hit law abiding citizens. There is a portion of Cook County Burbs trying to pull out of Crook County and form what would be known as Regan County. Its the big dollar burbs that will significantly hurt what remains. I dont think they are factoring in the thugs purchases.
Toni is actually not that bad in my opinion. They show her on the news in her office. I am better equipted then she is. When she took over, she didnt even paint the walls. Stroeger cleaned his stuff out. She got used furniture from a city warehouse. She is attempting to do her part. She may be one of the good ones. The murder rate has spiked – in my opinion – because Rahm dismanteled the Gang Task Force that Dailey put togeather. He is too arogant to admit his line of thinking was incorrect. With the recent court ruling that came down on the Occupy Chicago people, should clear the way for more gang activity.
Hey FFA, I saw another Chicago scandal today. It seems the Chicago Transit system has been receiving subsidies from the Feds to run the buses in the city for a long time. They have overbilled the Feds to the tune of $150 million over the past 10 years. They take corruption to a new level in this city. The question I have is – Is there anything that runs efficiently there and without corruption? It reeks! I hope you can move out to friendlier territory. I couldn’t stand to live in a place like that.
Oh, brother. Iran has only 20% of what it needs to build a bomb. They are nowhere near ready to have one, let alone have what they need to use it. And if you’ll remember the Iraq war started with sanctions and talks, too. That is the proper and responsible way to handle these issues. It’s not the wild, wild west anymore and we can’t just saddle up and kick some hiney whenever we want to. There are international laws that need to be abided by and allies that need to be won over. Don’t take no kick-ass reaction by Obama as inaction. You don’t know what’s going on behind closed doors and that’s the way it should be. Otherwise, we’d have to kill you! :-)
Libby, I think I prefer to believe the brilliant Benjamin Netanyahu over your liberal BS. He is right there and he has had the Mossad on this for years. When he says Iran is 80-90% there on building the bomb and they are working 24/7 to enrich uranium to build it, the world had better pay attention. If they could sneak in a suitcase bomb into Tel Aviv, it could just about destroy the city. Keep on hiding your head in the sand Libby. If nothing is done about this, we will wake up one day soon and find that Iran has carried out their deed as they have promised to do. Actually, there is a much better way than doing sanctions to bring Iran down. All we need to do is blow up their one and only refinery. Where are they going to go for fuel? Their economy would quickly collapse and the people of Iran can take it back from the Mullahs and the idiot in charge.
“Oh, brother. Iran has only 20% of what it needs to build a bomb”
Where were they 4 years ago?
“They are nowhere near ready to have one, let alone have what they need to use it”.
They are 20%. Only 80% left. How long did it take them to get to 20%?
“And if you’ll remember the Iraq war started with sanctions and talks, too.”
How did that work out? Besides, I was under the impression the war started when they attacked us.
“It’s not the wild, wild west anymore and we can’t just saddle up and kick some hiney whenever we want to”
Why not? Their mission is to kill the Infedels – you and me. Looking like kill or be killed.
“You don’t know what’s going on behind closed doors and that’s the way it should be”
So, your against transparency in our govt?
Fermi does many nuclear experiments. I dont need a govt official to tell me it would get vaporized. If one tells me “Trust Me, dont Worry” my level of concern would elevate. (See Joe Biden). Someone that has to say Trust Me over and over in my experience can not be trusted.
FFA, Although the hard headed Libby still believes that Iran is not close to developing the bomb, anyone with a brain knows how deceptive these people are. They have sponsored Terrorism all over the Middle East and the incidents with their hand all over it abound. If they could develop even the suitcase variety, that would be easy to smuggle in. Even a low yield dirty bomb could kill thousands. They would pick sites that are the most vulnerable. Hey, if you can kill a lot of infidels, you will get all the virgins and dates in heaven. No wonder they have all the volunteers for suicide bombs. They think they will be rewarded.
Thia is shaking out to be a good one, thats for sure. Sports guy on the news this morning stated if this was a 99 game series they would play them all.
FFA, I saw an article this morning grading Governors for their fiscal performance. All of the ones who received the highest marks for their performance were Republicans, no surprise. Guess who led the list and received an F? Your governor Quin in Illinois was the worst of the worst on raising taxes and running business off. No wonder you want to move to another state. It is amazing to me that the citizens keep electing one bozo after another in this state.
There is corruption at every level in this state. Seems to be a way of life. Did you catch what went in in Dixon IL earlier this year? Shouold be able to find it on the web somewhwere. Corruption at the Comptrollers Office.
I also saw an interview with the father of one of the Seals killed in Benghazi. Obama and Hillary met the plane carrying the bodies of the Ambassador and Seals and they did a ceremoney with full military honors. However, this father said that when Obama came over to express his condolences, he could not look him in the eye and only mumbled – sorry as he looked over his shoulder. He said it was like shaking hands with a dead fish. Hilary then came over and the only thing she could say to the man was that they were going to arrest the video maker. Gee, I bet that made him feel a lot better. Of course, this was after they already knew it was an Al Quida plot that they saw in real time watching this man’s son get killed and did nothing about it. This political ideology is the worst of my lifetime. Even Libby can’t spin this as anything other than what it is.
Perhaps, Agent, as my brother said “the fact that we lost Americans overseas really shakes him up.” You can tell by looking at him that he cares deeply about it.
You try to make him out to be some kind of monster and he’s not. They definitely made a mistake on how they handled their response to Benghazi, but that does not make him evil or double-dealing. Just human.
October 26, 2012 at 2:32 pm
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And my brother is a Republican, but he’s voting for Obama.
October 26, 2012 at 2:17 pm
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Libby, Obama came to town yesterday to vote early. He do4s in deed consider Chicago as his home town. If not he committed Voter Fraud. Of course, that would not be news in Chicgao.
You made your point, but I don’t think the fact that he considers Chicago his home makes him crooked. Just like all people from Massachusetts aren’t bullshiters, just Romney.
Was Actually kind of funny – The pool worker ID’d him.
No, A resident of Chicago does not make him a crook. His association with convicted felons raises cause for concern. Him hiding behind executive privilage raises even more. All he has to say is what he knows. Keeping his mouth shut makes him look guilty of something.
Romneshia? Really? Thought I was on the play ground in Middle School watching the bullys pick on the retarded kids. How old is he? He is the President talking like a Junivile Bully on national TV.
FFA, There is a new term out now called Obamanesia. He has forgotten what made this country the most powerful economic engine the world has ever seen. Now, he has come out and said when he is re-elected, he wants to create a new Department called the Secretary of Business to manage and control business in this country. That is all the country needs is a new Federal Bureaucracy with thousands of government employees to tell business what they need to do to be successful. We know how well it has worked the last 4 years, right?
Yeah, we’ve seen how well “Business” has managed themselves without government oversight. They raped and pillaged the American people and caused this tremendous hole we are in. Big Business, capitalists, and bankers can not be trusted to manage themselves because of their insatiable thirst for money at any cost. Voting for them is voting against the rights of the middle class and you all are just too stupid to see it. Do you really think they give a shit about small business owners like you guys? You are so far gone with their propaganda, just like sheep to the slaughter. I hope there are enough people out there with sense that know the truth about the agenda of the right and their big business mentality. You guys are obviously too far gone to be saved.
October 30, 2012 at 3:12 pm
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What? No snappy comeback defending the Plutocrats you covet so?
October 26, 2012 at 3:46 pm
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Hey FFA. Planet thinks business is great in Chicago. Perhaps you can straighten him out on that one since you are dealing with customers shutting down and losing business. I laughed at Libby’s comment that her brother is a Republican and voting for Obama. For every Republican who changes to Obama, there are 10 Democrats who are switching to Romney. I personally know 25 Democrats (several black) who voted Obama in 08 for Hope & Change and they want nothing to do with him any more. They just cannot stand what he has done in 4 short years.
My conversation with a client at 04:00pm Chi time yesterday. Me “you have tp pay your audit bill. This was due in June. They are ging to cancel you if you dont”. Client “I dont have it. Guess I am going to have to close down.”
Well, enough of this week. I am heading to my lake house and I get an E Mail on my phone. Please cancel my policy. I am closng my doors.
In one day, 11 more people on the unemployment line throughout the Chicago Burbs. That bring my total to 8 accounts in the past 8 weeks lost. Probably close to another 100 hitting the unemployment line.
Cap must be one of them types of people that take advantage of people when they are down on their luck. Wonder what its like being that filthy rich and that cold hearted.
I’ll be looking for office space in WI today just to get the hell out of IL. Wife is dead set against that. Looking like Divorce is on the horizon as she wont move here. I dont have much of a choice unless you see me on tv after winning the Power Ball tonight.
I would like to thank the president for turning this economy around, encouraging unemployment and encouraging govt give a ways.
4 more years of this goes above and beyond a colossal mistake. Watching 20 m+ years of hard work and dedication to my clients and companies go right down the tubes in a very short peroid of time. Dont know which is worse dumb (Quinn) or Dumber (Obama). They have tag teamed me into border line depression.
Hang in there FFA. Help is on the way! In eight days, we can rid ourselves of a government which is anti business in every way. I had to laugh during the debates that Obama said that he has cut taxes 18 times on Small Business. I checked with my accountant on that whopper. I am still waiting to see my first tax cut and I am small business. Words instead of deeds. Perhaps Libby or Planet can post all of the tax cuts on my business that I have yet to see. Have you seen a tax decrease on your business from Obummer?
I am holding on. I just got payroll covered and thats about it. No Rent. no Phone. No Health Ins. No nothng, just payroll. Not sure what the 5th of the month check is going to bring. Depends if that one contractor dropped out past the cut date. If not, I’m sunk.
October 29, 2012 at 6:04 pm
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Having your guy get re-elected is not “Optimal” for the country.
FFA, There is another story hot off the press. The wonderful Planned Parenthood organization, you know the one we the taxpayers support because they provide women’s health services including abortions on demand, have given $12million of our tax dollars to the Obama campaign. I guess they don’t want the gravy train to cease. Let’s see, if we cut off NPR, PBS, Planned Parenthood, the National Endowment for the Arts, that is a start. Then we can work our way into cutting off several hundred other Federal Programs, agencies who are not needed.
Agent, you will have us all living back in the dark ages. Who needs literature or arts or women’s health? As long as the all mighty dollar is king. You are beginning to disgust me with your greedy, backward thinking. That is NOT the America that anyone I know wants to live in.
Libby, the present day is not looking too good for the country with the policies of the last 4 years. 4 more years of this nonsense and we look like Venezuela. There is not enough money in the till to fund everything you and Planet want. Sorry Big Bird, you will have to dip into your $289 million fund and sell some advertising like other networks have done. Actually, the majority of America has awakened finally to see the damage done by your guy and it is not a pleasant site. Planet’s liberal newspaper, the Des Moines Register which I assume is the biggest paper in the state has now endorsed Romney for President. They cited that he has a plan to recover the country and business. They haven’t endorsed a Republican in forever so this is quite an admission that the ill advised policies and agenda of your guy has been a disaster.
So, where is Cap Planet from? Chicago or Iowa?
I dont need a newspaper to tell me this has been a disaster. My books show that I am worse off then when I was year end 2008. Had a full time staff of three. Now, its me and one part timer. One guy on a straight 1099 who is on the chopping block on Wednesday. If I could get Health Insurance on just me & the wife, I would chop the part timer too. Please Libby, dont beat the OBama Care drum. I am workng past 06:00 every nioght and almost every Saturday when I was a 9-5 er M-F in 08, maybe one Sat every three weeks.
If this is his idea of tax cuts, I hate to see what happens when he says tax increase. I have not seen any help from Springfield or DC. He just dont care about people, just his own ego.
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FFA, Planet is physically located in Iowa, but his mind is from another planet as many on this forum have stated. Of the 663 comments on this subject, he has the top 10 goofiest by far. One of my favorites was his liking Chicago and just loved to go see his Bulls at Wrigley Field. I bet he is in shock that the Des Moines register endorsed Romney. Someone probably had to give him smelling salts after finding out about that. I think Iowa and Michigan will probably both go to Romney now as the President’s support continues to dwindle. Obummer will probably blame the hurricane on Romney or GW for keeping their base from voting.
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Libby, let Hollywood fund the Arts. They have plenty of disposable income to do it with. If Planned Parenthood did not give $12million of our tax dollars to Obama, I wouldn’t have a problem with them if they were just doing women’s health to those who can’t afford it, but they are just abortion factories. It is time to shut down the government assistance scam whether you like it or not. I was disgusted with your Progressive free spending thinking a long time ago.
I won’t even dignify that with a response. The fact that you spout off about women’s issues when you have no idea what you are talking about just proves your ignorance.
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This was two differnt accounts that closed up on Friday.
Did that. I push $1.5M with them on a 28% LR. I should get it. Its only been a few days.
Just contacte the 2nd one. He is done and over with. No hope for new opportunity on that one.
Bulls are in the UC. Cubs – or at least abunch of people with their uniforms – are in Wriggley. Was no pro ball played at Wriggley this season. Lucky Cap – he is not in IL.
For some stange reason, IL will vote OBummer. Awfull lot of radio ads for uBummer this week end in WI. Dont have TV up there so I cant comment on the TV advertising. No ads for either in IL.
On a sports note, my throry on X Cubs did not play out as Theriot scorred the winning run. They also have Pagan on their roster, so shock shock and another shock!
FFA, I bet Sargent is grieving now with his beloved Tigers getting swept by the Giants. I think they had too big of a layoff and just couldn’t get a hit when they needed it. The Giants were the real deal and came back from 3-1 against the vaunted Cardinals. I am afraid the American league has some work to do to get up to the level of the National League. These things run in cycles just like our industry does.
Dont be an Obamazombie! Vote – Mit Romney and repeal and replace!
Only an idiot would vote for Obama after his dismal record on getting things fixed and moving forward. If you vote for Obama it will be “Forward” off a cliff.
Sarah, I am sure Libby & Planet will try to spin this and again call for the rich to pay their “fair” share. I remember well when the President came out and said that the Middle Class would not see one red cent increase on their taxes if they were below $200,000. This bill is rife with additional taxes that will hurt the Middle Class. This is just another example of Trickle up Poverty which is destroying the middle class. This country has a dismal future if this guy gets back in.
Agent, I only asked that loopholes and sheltering be taken away from the rich so they pay their share on 100% of their income. I believe you agreed with me on that point.
I certainly did not agree that this government should raise taxes on the Middle Class Libby and that is what this bill is doing to 6 million plus Middle Class citizens. I did agree that the whole tax code needs to be thrown out and the country should go to a fair or flat tax and everyone have skin in the game. It is pretty hard to reconcile tax issues when a Healthcare bill has all these additional taxes built into it that have nothing to do with Federal Income Tax.
Libby, I am sure you are enthralled with Biden’s last statement that Obama/Biden were going to raise taxes $1 Trillion after they are re-elected. That ought to make the people feel all warm and fuzzy about their financial prospects in an already dismal economy. I want to see him defend that when he debates Ryan. With Axelrod as his coach, the spin will be spewing I’m sure.
Like the one OBAma took advantage of here in IL on the purschase of the vacant lot / dwelling using a Convicted Felon 9Rezco) to execute the purchase? The loop hole he took advantage of to dodge his share of proerty taxes? Sound to me like he is part of the very “problem” you want to do away with. Our president does it, why shouldn’t I?
Watch Fox much? Are they still peddling that crap? How long have you believed Elvis is still alive?
That was on every news outlet in the Local Chicago Market. CBS, ABC, NBC,FOX,WGN, The Tribune, the Suntimes – every single one.
No, they are not. Just thought people that think hes an Honest & Noble person should be reminded.
ACtually Comrade the Tony Resko real estate deal was not on Fox. But if you take the time to look into the deal, you do find it was a very shady deal, sorry creative deal. Of course Obama is immuned from any questions and incapable of telling the truth.
Just as he demonizes Romney, has his surrogates call Romney a “Liar”, but pretends to be for the Middle Class. Then we find out in this article, the Middle Class will be “taxed” out the whazoo under the Affordable Care Act. So Obama can’t be honest, but uses carefully crafted buzz words to appear to care.
Tax sheltering won’t be needed, when we have a tax rate here that is competitive with other countries.
You want sheltering over, we need to not have the highest tax rate in the world.
We’ve been over that what companies do is deduct their foreign tax rates from their U.S. payable taxes to pay less here. Overall, they do pay a considerable amount even with that deduction.
When that owner brings the money into his personal pocket, he does pay 100% of the normal taxes. He keeps it invested overseas for it to grow. The growth is taxed at perfectly fair rates. Overall, they pay plenty. Just not in the U.S. So let’s stop with the “fair share” arguement, and admit what we need to do is have people have a reason to invest here rather than over seas.
Again, investment income is different than income income. If they are investing over seas, it is for one reason and one reason only: Our taxes are too high.
Canada has a corporate tax rate at nearly 10% and brings in more corporate revenues as a percentage of GDP. Emotionally and philosophically you are flamed up, now let’s think practically.
“Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”
Well said Einstein. Did you know there was an app on iphone 5 so people can study your brain cells? It is too bad the Progressive crowd doesn’t have the sense to see the error of their beliefs. They have a mental disease and there apparently is no cure. Even if their guy loses, they will be railing away at Capitalism, free market and individual liberty and the pursuit of happiness. These are very unhappy people who like to lie, grumble, complain about their lot in life and attack anyone who has been successful and accomplished the American Dream.
HOW MUCH WILL BE PAID BY THOSE WITH NO INCOME AND AS A RESULT DO NOT FILE ? I FOR ONE WAS TOLD BY MY FATHER YEARS AGO “ONLY COUNT ON WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOURSELF”. NOW i MUST ADD AND WATCH OUT FOR WHAT OTHERS CAN DO TO YOU.
Why worry about the tax penalty when they haven’t even prepared an agency or means to collect or enforce the tax? The assumption that the IRS is happy to add the enforcement to income tax regulations may be a costly as this is not an “income tax”. Yet another step in the process that wasn’t thought through.
The IRS has already come out and said that they won’t be the ones response for collecting it…
Right, and you believe them. Just like this was supposed to be a find and now it’s a tax. Smoke and mirrors = Lies.
Wow, yet another forum to argue what seems to be obvious. A law that was no supposed to increase taxxes is increasing taxxes. Govt intrusion into private business increasing cost to every hard working Joe American.
Just look at what the uninsured are doing to our hospitals.. everyone must purchase health insurance or we tax payers will continue to pay for people who feel “entitled” to be free loaders. Mitt implemented mandatory healthcare here in MA and it is working. He has no plans for healthcare if he becomes president. He says one thing and Ryan says another… between them we don’t have any idea what they will offer Americans. Go Obamacare….insure America.
Nan, your post makes as much sense as some of Libby’s which is not much. Can you defend your President on his promise not to raise taxes on the middle class or is this just an example of the dozens of promises this President made to get elected? The Middle Class definitely doesn’t need any tax hikes in this economy. There are at least 7 new taxes built into Obamacare affecting the Middle Class. We don’t like being taxed to death in this country. That is why we need a change at the top and the Senate so we can get this country moving again. Repeal and Replace.
Name them, Agent. I dare you to.
And I resent your comment that I don’t make any sense. Just because you don’t agree with me doesn’t mean I am nonsensical. That was rude and uncalled for.
How about you defending your President when he promised not to raise taxes on the Middle Class one red cent? Is this article not self evident? Sarah and Bob have given you chapter and verse on all the new taxes in this bill on several occasions in prior blogs. You choose to let it go in one ear and out the other. Your Tax and Spend President is running this country into the ground and somehow you think he is “Noble” and “Honest”. Your posts are nonsense since you just can’t see the light.
Grow up, Libby. You’re not on the play ground anymore. If you can’t take it, don’t post here.
No one wants to hear the truth, that Mitt has a similar plan in place in MA. Once Obama has his name attached to it, its a big problem. Agent is obviously all knowing since he has to comment on every other post following this article. Libby you are making sense to me, I think a lot of people are blinded by their ignorance as to what Obama has and has not done in his presidency. I will cast my vote and no matter what anyone says or thinks will not change it. So bring it on!
sucker.
Romney implemented mandatory healthcare in MA and it’s working…but you’re still an Obama fan?? That DOESN’T make any sense!
Obama’s broken campaign promises: No increase in taxes on the Middle Class. He’d close Gitmo. He’d bring home all our troups wihtin 2 years. He’d lower our debt.
Obama’s biggest embarassments: Invites leader of the Muslim Brotherhood to the White House. The first President not to visit Israel ONCE. Snubs Netanyahu. Goes to Vegas while our embassy is literally burning in Libya. Refers to those attacks and 4 dead citizens as a “bump in the road”. Tells millions of small business owners “You didn’t build that”. Fast and Furious. NDAA. Bill Ayres. The list goes on and on.
No one who’s been paying attention could vote for this clown in good conscience.
I would be glad to purchase insurance if I could afford the price. My husband had to retire do to an injury,so there went our insurance. The cost of the Cobra was 1200 per month. Impossible to pay that, only if I sold my home, cars and did not eat, lived under a cliff somewhere and had no need for clothes.
I’m sorry to hear that, Brenda. It is so hard for me to fathom that people, AMERICAN people, are falling for the lies and distortions that this president is dishing out. I hope the best for you and your family and Godspeed to your husband.
Brenda, I am sorry to hear about your trouble. It didn’t have to be this way on Healthcare Reform. The President has now lumped in 7 new taxes that will hit the Middle Class which I assume fits you. How will that help your circumstances? Perhaps if we had done a true reform and put Tort Reform, allowing companies to sell across state lines and create a competitive market, you would have been able to afford coverage. Instead, we have continual rising prices because the companies know what they are facing down the road.
Name them, Agent.
Google it, Libby. I did and found a list in less than 5 seconds.
You won’t find any that hit the “middle class” except the one that will apply if you choose not to purchase health insurance. You google it, RT.
Let’s start with the very first promise Obama made when he took the Oval Office. He swore to uphold the laws and Constitution of the US. Instead, he spent our tax dollars suing a sovereign state that was trying to uphold the law. When he didn’t get the exact results he wanted, he told AZ that ICE would not “answer the phone” if they called. Then he proceeded to dictate (aka issue an Executive Order) to pardon the illegal aliens because it was not their fault that they were brought here. This was after he said that he could not issue an executive order to do this. Wake up and realize Obama tells everyone what they want to hear. a partial truth is STILL A LIE!
I wish I could thumbs up you more than once, Integrity Matters (and it really does!!!)
Now, the lefties are actually saying that Mitt Romney paid too much in taxes just to make himself look better. Will these people never stop?!! I believe that liberalism truly IS a mental disorder!!
Progressive Democrats are the masters of deceit. They are all mentally defective. They play all the cards in their ill conceived deck to make Conservatives look bad. I look forward to November to send them all packing starting from the top.
CT Agent,
That came from Romney’s trustee:
Malt also said that while the 2011 charitable donations would have “significantly reduced” the amount of taxes they owed for the year, the Romneys decided to limit their deduction of charitable contribution to conform to Romney’s August statement that based upon the January estimate of income they paid at least 13% in income taxes in each of the last 10 years.
And just look at the source, not exactly moveon.org
Read more: http://www.foxbusiness.com/government/2012/09/21/romneys-paid-average-tax-rate-202/#ixzz27QHv5JHO
So, Ron, you’re saying that 13% isn’t enough?? Just what IS enough for you people???
I did not say whether it was enough or not. Just pointing out that “lefties” did not say that, it came from a Romney source. Remeber, he also stated that he didn’t think he would be qualified to be president if he paid more taxes than he owed.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-09-21/mitt-romney-paid-14-dot-1-percent-federal-tax-rate-in-2011-campaign-says
I really do not care how much anyone pays in taxes, but I have a huge problem with someone who is so blatantly disingenuous.
Yes I do have the same criticism of Obama, but I was under the impression that Romney was going to be a more honest option. I am an independent who is still undecided, but I need more than “he is not Obama” for Romney to get my vote. I am waiting for him to present a better alternative and more details.
Fair enough, Ron. Perhaps I can help you decide, though..how about the fact that Obama still hasn’t come right out and said that the attack on our Embassy in Libya (and others around the world) was terrorism? How about the fact that Obama said he would not raise taxes on the middle class? How about the fact that Obama was taping an episode of The View yesterday, rather than attending his last meeting with international leaders before the election? Those are just a few of the many things that are wrong with this man. He wouldn’t know the truth if it were steering him in the face! I happen to believe that Romney is more forth coming than Obama is, and that is why he has my vote.
You could not give me one reason to vote for Romney. I am not a fan of Obama, but I do believe that we give to President too much credit when things go well and too much blame when they are bad. At least with Obama, I have a good idea with what we are dealing with. I have NO idea what Romney stands for or believes.
As for taxes, I fall in the 47% that Romney insulted in his private conversation with donors (where he is more likely to be honest). I put myself through college (Bachelors and Masters degress) without any government grants and earned my CPCU while raising 3 children and working full time and have NEVER received welfare or food stamps. I was unemployed for 2 months due to downsizing. That is the only assistance I have received from the government. Go ahead and tell me that I am not responsible for my life, I dare you.
My wife has been out of work for 3 years because it would cost more to put the kids in day care than she would bring home.
If Romney rasies my taxes so that I have skin in the game, that is fine. Just remember that means less money from me into the private sector and more to the government since I, like most of that 47%, live paycheck-to-paycheck. Do you believe that will help the economy?
I realize that the economy is the driving force behind this election–and I believe it is the driving force because Obama has driven it into the ground and has made it the way it is. With that said, for me, foreign policy is also a huge driving force. IMO, Obama has the worst foreign policy of a president in our era. The world is a scary place, and when we have a president who would rather be on television than run our country, that speaks VOLUMES for me. When he refers to the killing of an Ambassador, a diplomat, and 2 Navy Seals as “a bump in the road”, that speaks VOLUMES about his character. When he takes credit for killing OSB and then thinks he’s defeated Al Qaeda, that speaks VOLUMES!! The man is on a huge ego trip, and we Americans are paying for it! And, BTW–I did build my agency, I do employ people who I am responsible for (even though it’s only 2 others…very small), and I did put myself through school, as well. I did not take offense to Romney’s 47% statement, because I feel he is telling the truth. He wasn’t putting us down..what he was saying was that those are the one’s that are going to vote for Obama so he needs to concentrate on the undecided voter, that’s all. I guess it was OK for Obama to say what he did to the Russian President about our missile defense “off the cuff” and not have to pay for it??
Ron, How about the fact that he is from Illinois? The most Corrupt county in the most corrupt state in the nation? Are you not at the very least wondering what he would have had to say about selling his senate seat? His involvement with Rezco? A convicted felon?
Ron, Let me help you out on what Romney believes. It is too bad you haven’t been paying attention for the past several months. He believes in a free market society where all Americans can aspire to succeed and pursue happiness. He believes that small business creates the jobs in this country and we need to encourage them by not taxing them to death or regulate them to death. He believes the government is too big by far and needs to be scaled back and not so intrusive into our private lives like Obamacare is sure to do. If you believe that only half of the citizens should pay taxes and the wealthy should pay more of their fair share, you are clearly an Oblama supporter. You said that at least you knew where you stood with Obama. Wow, you have really signed onto the gospel of failure which is his hallmark. This country is degenerating into a spiral of failure with this President and it is time you woke up and smelled the coffee.
If you have not picked up on my theme yet, here it is:
You do not have to give me reasons to not vote for Obama. If Hunstman won the primaries, he would be getting my vote. He was the only reasonable Republican in the primaries. Obama is the most vulnerable incumbant president that I can remember. Even more so that Carter. Yes I am dating myself some now. The fact that Romney is not leading by at least 20 points is an indicator that there is a major problem in the Republican party. They are trying too hard to cater to the far right and not the middle.
I agree that is how is started his message, but did you listen to the whole message? If not, here is what Romney said: “There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. And I mean, the president starts off with 48, 49, 48—he starts off with a huge number. These are people who pay no income tax.”
Can you honestly defend that statement? The combination of sentences 2 through 4 and the last sentence is why I was and you should be insulted if you fall in the 47%. If you do and you are still voting for Romney, that means he was not telling the truth.
Do you really believe that 47% of our country is dependent on the government? If so, please provide some data supporting that belief.
Agent,
I know what he says he believes. However, he likes to change his position on many topics to pandor to his audience. He was once a moderate with liberal views (pro-choice, pro gun control, pro mandate for government health care) now he is ultra conservative.
Obama has said he believes in many of the same things, especially about small businesses.
I believe that I mentioned that I am an independent and not a fan of Obama. I have yet to make my decision, so I am not supporting any candidate yet.
Let’s assume Romney truly now believes what he says now. How is he going to accomplish these things? Will he force companies to hire people and pay them more if there is no increase in demand for their products or services? Will he tie conditions to corporate tax breaks and deregulation requiring companies to do those things? Will he force energy companies to keep oil and gas here?
I didn’t say I like where we stand with Obama, but I just don’t think he, as an incompetent individual, is nearly as dangerous as Republicans like to make him out to be.
I don’t believe that only half the country pays Federal Income Taxes. My argument is that if you start taxing the 47%, that means less money in the private sector and more to the government. Is that the soultion your are presenting? If not, please explain how you are going to have people who currently do not pay taxes start without raising taxes?
Remember, Romney said after the Supreme Court upheld Obamacare that he likes many of the benefits of the law, just not that we would need to pay for it.
That 47% includes about 18% of people on social security. So in fact, there are about 30% of Americans not paying federal income tax. Of those, not all 30% are on assistance. Some are dependant on a taxpaying person, either a spouse, parent, or child. Let’s not blow the 47% out of proportion. We do not have 47% of our population sitting on their ass collecting some type of assistance.
Ron,
Here are a couple: Mitt’s Plan
Mitt Romney will treat regulatory costs like other costs: he will establish firm limits for them. A Romney administration will act swiftly to tear down the vast edifice of regulations the Obama administration has imposed on the economy. It will also seek to make structural changes to the federal bureaucracy that ensure economic growth remains front and center when regulatory decisions are made.
Eliminate Undue Economic Burdens
One of the greatest problems with the federal bureaucracy is that each incoming presidential administration leaves in place much of what its predecessor constructed. The result is layer upon layer of often unnecessary or inconsistent regulation. President Obama has compounded this problem with unprecedented federal power grabs over wide swaths of the economy. Obama-era laws and regulations must be rolled back, and pre-existing ones must be carefully scrutinized.
Repeal Obamacare
Repeal Dodd-Frank and replace with streamlined, modern regulatory framework
Amend Sarbanes-Oxley to relieve mid-size companies from onerous requirements
Initiate review and elimination of all Obama-era regulations that unduly burden the economy
Reform Environmental Regulation
As president, Mitt Romney will eliminate the regulations promulgated in pursuit of the Obama administration’s costly and ineffective anti-carbon agenda. Romney will also press Congress to reform our environmental laws to ensure that they allow for a proper assessment of their costs.
Ensure that environmental laws properly account for cost in regulatory process
Provide multi-year lead times before companies must come into compliance with onerous new environmental regulations
Adopt Structural Reforms
An agency may be able to conceive of ten different regulations, each imposing costs of $10 billion while producing at least as much in social benefit. Moving forward might sound like a great idea to the typical regulator. But imposing those regulations, no matter what the social benefits, has a similar effect to raising taxes by $100 billion. Regulatory costs need to be treated like the very real costs they are.
Impose a regulatory cap of zero dollars on all federal agencies
Require congressional approval of all new “major” regulations
Reform legal liability system to prevent spurious litigation.
Peace.
James,
That is all well and good for corporations and their profits, but what about unintended consequences. Will Romney force companies to increase employment and pay higher wage when he reduces regulations or hope for some trickle down? I have advocated for lower corporate taxes, but only if you hire more people. I also know that Obama tried this and the Republicans would not go for it even though they are the ones that say we need to lower taxes on the job creators so they hire more.
My concern is that Romney is looking to make decisions that ensure economic growth remains front and center. Remember, the government is not a business and should never be run as a business. The sole purpose of a business’s existence is to make a profit, period. The sole purpose of the government is to provide for the general welfare of the people.
We have only had 2 Presidents who came into office with business experience, Herbert Hoover and George W Bush. How was the economy doing at the end of those presidencies?
Ron, you are speaking like the truly uninformed, kind of like Libby. Do you really believe that Romney will force companies to increase employment and pay a higher wage? That is what Progressives do. What an idiotic statement! Another one was that you have a concern that Romney will make decisions that insure economic growth is front and center. Apparently, you are one of those guys who is anti-business, anti profit and guess what buster, that is what makes our economy go around. I do agree that the purpose of government is to provide for the general welfare and this government promotes a different kind of welfare. Our founding fathers were wise when they promoted limited government and were fearful of what might happen if the government got too big for its breeches. They also did not want to concentrate power with one branch of government so we have 3 branches of government to do checks and balances. It seems this President thinks the Executive branch is more equal than the Legislative and Judicial with all his executive orders and trying to rule by executive fiat. By the way numbskull, Herbert Hoover was not attacked by Al Quida. How is the economy doing with your inexperienced Socialist with no business experience including running a lemonade stand?
Agent,
I know he won’t force companies to do those things. That was my point. He is hoping that these changes will result in increased employment and higher wages, but he cannot guarantee that.
Please see my 11:30 am post about executive orders.
The fact that you feel the need to insult and belittle me and other non-Republicans discredits many of your arguments.
How about provide facts and sources instead of rhteroic?
Thank you for informing me that Herbert Hoover was not attacked by AlQuida yet was in office when the Great Depression began.
The economy is doing better now than 2008 when we were losing 750k jobs per month. I know that job growth isn’t sufficient to cover population growth, but at least we have net job gains.
Well said, Ron. Agent and others of his ilk like to belittle and name-call those of us that do not follow their line of thinking. Unfortunately, I sometimes resort to the same thing while trying to defend myself. We are way outnumbered on this site, but it does not mean we are stupid, uninformed, or nonsensical.
Ron:
You really are having a hard time with this…
” will ask you the same question that no Republican can answer. If Romney lowers taxes on the wealthy and repeals all of these regulations, will he force companies to hire and pay higher wages if there is no increase in demand or hope they let their new found profits to trickle down? President Bush was very friendly to business, yet he had a larger jobs gap than President Obama. Please explain that away.
http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/18/news/economy/obama-bush-jobs/index.html
I await your response.”
36.9% tax rate, legendary growth, revenues at 20% of GDP.
95% tax rate, equal growth, revenues at 20% of GDP.
That’s the republican answer. If we can get similar revenues, similar growth, and people keep money it’s better than taxing the hell out of people. Regan already proved the taxes needed to be lowered.
As to why Bush didn’t have more growth during his presidency:
Fact one: The internet bubble popped at the beginning of Bush’s presidency. The revenues dipped before Bush could have had an effect, showing it was an econmic dip.
Fact two: The world trade center was bombed.
Fact three: Despite that, our growth rate toward the end of his presidency was good.
Fact four: Had the housing bubble not have popped, his growth late term was actually not bad at all.
Fact five: When you are at an econmic peak, it is hard to maintain. Bush’s growth would be like a fit person trying to become an olympian. Everything has to be right to make process. When everything is bad, growth is supposed to be faster, and has been for all recessions except for the great depression.
The better question, which no democrat has answered:
Why is the economy for Obama so sluggish when it should bounce up?
Why do we want to not let housing prices bottom out, at a time where everyone is out of a job and has less money? Obama specifically kept housing costs high, and insulted Romney for saying housing costs needed to bottom out. The majority of people who don’t own homes would benefit from buying a dirt cheap house. Then things could pick up naturally. Can you explain away Obama’s decision here as to why it’s a good idea for housing prices to be up for the majority of Americans?
Bob,
And all of those hapened under his watch. I am not sure how many people would agree that his Presidency ended well, he wasn’t even invited to speak at the Republican National Convention. If you think it was for any other reason that to keep people from being reminded of the end of his Presidency I have some ocean front property in Iowa I would like to sell you.
I am not blaming President Bush for those things, just as I don’t blame Obama that the economy isn’t recovering at a level that is acceptable to the Republicans. And it is recovering. Remember that it took 12 years and World War II to end the Great Depression. Ganted this was not as bad, but it is going to take more that 3 1/2 to fully recover.
I believe we give Presidents too much credit when things go well (Clinton and Reagan) and too much blame when things go bad (Bush and Obama). They do not control the budget or spending and they do not pass laws.
Ron:
You asked for an explanation, and implied no republican could give it.
The explanation was clearly there in my response. We aren’t going to deviate to blame game. I explained, and then added a few things about Obama that are extremely important to be answered. Inflating housing costs is no small deal. The death tax is no small deal. Capital gains taxes at zero would benefit the middle class. What most people don’t realize is that a 401k plan is typically managed by a third party, who takes about a 7% fee from investments up front, and usually doesn’t allow you to decide on the invesments. We can either encourage middle class to go that route, or give them a tax free method to retirement they can do without a being forced to pay a third party.
Regarding Obama, see my comment about Citibank and Obama. Obama was the first attorney to cite CRA regulations, and red lining for a suit against Citi in the 90’s. He actually did cause the housing bubble to pop. Citi bank went bankrupt for giving those same loans later. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that following that suit, between 1992 to 2007 4.53 trillion in CRA loans were given out. Whereas, between 1977 to 1992 there were only about 8 billion.
They contributed to a regulatory system that collapsed the government, all in the name of giving something for attorneys to keep busy with.
Now I know I’m off topic, but the fact that you honestly think there is any competition between Obama and Romney as to who to vote for as an independant, it shows you are not an independant. Further to the point, your premise was that no republican could explain how Romney would create demand. He can’t. That’s the answer. But the tax cuts worked for Regan. And Obama can’t either. See my stimulus comment. He spent about $450 billion and the economy grew by about $280 billion. And he is saying that’s the route to growth, and tried to pass another $450 billion while insulting republicans who blocked him. If he has his liberal way, we will go that route. And it’s the wrong route.
A payroll tax cut is what you’re referring to.
The tax cut has to be for the entire set of the revenues, otherwise it won’t work.
They deduct about 30% of their total taxes now to other countries and come out ahead. Can you ensure they can deduct 30% of their total taxes by hiring? No. Obama could not, so Republicans didn’t support it.
Further: What do you think happens? Rich people will always keep all they can. If an oil company had left over money, they could invest into new energies (as nearly every company has done). Investing into new energies requires jobs. Corporations when it comes to profits need people to get those profits. If we give them the ability to make more, they need more people by default to get more profits. If we take away their left over capital they have less to invest.
Oil corporations pay a tax rate of 44% including over seas taxes. You really think that if they paid 20% they wouldn’t have a ton to reinvest to new hiring? You really think they would take all of hundreds of billions of dollars? I think not. They take a good chunk, but they do hire as well.
James, you did a good job of outlining some of the things Romney is committed to doing. Of course, it will not resonate with Libby and some of her cohorts like Ron because they think Obama has been noble and honest with the citizens and is doing a great job. Romney will have his hands full rolling back several hundred Executive Orders, eliminating the costly programs that don’t work and cleaning out the Departments and Agencies that have imposed all the Progressive nonsense that is the hallmark of this administration. He will have to work hard to get the government off small businesses backs and create an atmosphere that is friendly to business. His first official acts should be to repeal and replace Obamacare and shortly after, dismantle EPA which is killing industry and crippling job growth.
Agent,
I have never said that I think Obama is noble and honest and have even indicated several times that I am not a fan. I AM AN INDEPENDENT. I don’t drink the Kool-aid from either side, and both are happy to serve it.
Regarding executive orders, please see the following:
President Barack Obama:
2009 – E.O. 13489 – E.O. 13527 (39 Executive orders issued)
2010 – E.O. 13528 – E.O. 13562 (35 Executive orders issued)
2011 – E.O. 13563 – E.O. 13596 (34 Executive orders issued)
2012 – E.O. 13597 – E.O. 13623 (27 Executive orders issued)
President George W. Bush:
2008 – E.O. 13454 – E.O. 13483 (30 Executive orders issued)
2007 – E.O. 13422 – E.O. 13453 (32 Executive orders issued)
2006 – E.O. 13395 – E.O. 13421 (27 Executive orders issued)
2005 – E.O. 13369 – E.O. 13394 (26 Executive orders issued)
2004 – E.O. 13324 – E.O. 13368 (45 Executive orders issued)
2003 – E.O. 13283 – E.O. 13323 (41 Executive orders issued)
2002 – E.O. 13252 – E.O. 13282 (31 Executive orders issued)
2001 – E.O. 13198 – E.O. 13251 (54 Executive orders issued)
President William J. Clinton:
2000 – E.O. 13145 – E.O. 13185 (41 Executive orders issued)
1999 – E.O. 13110 – E.O. 13144 (35 Executive orders issued)
1998 – E.O. 13072 – E.O. 13109 (38 Executive orders issued)
1997 – E.O. 13034 – E.O. 13071 (38 Executive orders issued)
1996 – E.O. 12985 – E.O. 13033 (49 Executive orders issued)
1995 – E.O. 12945 – E.O. 12984 (40 Executive orders issued)
1994 – E.O. 12891 – E.O. 12944 (54 Executive orders issued)
1993 – E.O. 12834 – E.O. 12890 (57 Executive orders issued)
President George H.W. Bush:
1989 – E.O. 12668 – E.O. 12698 (31 Executive orders signed)
1990 – E.O. 12699 – E.O. 12741 (43 Executive orders signed)
1991 – E.O. 12742 – E.O. 12787 (46 Executive orders signed)
1992 – E.O. 12788 – E.O. 12827 (40 Executive orders signed)
President Ronald Reagan:
1981 – E.O. 12287 – E.O. 12336 (50 Executive orders signed)
1982 – E.O. 12337 – E.O. 12399 (63 Executive orders signed)
1983 – E.O. 12400 – E.O. 12456 (57 Executive orders signed)
1984 – E.O. 12457 – E.O. 12497 (41 Executive orders signed)
1985 – E.O. 12498 – E.O. 12542 (45 Executive orders signed)
1986 – E.O. 12543 – E.O. 12579 (37 Executive orders signed)
1987 – E.O. 12580 – E.O. 12622 (43 Executive orders signed)
1988 – E.O. 12623 – E.O. 12662 (40 Executive orders signed)
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/disposition.html
Republicans need to stop making it seem like Obama has taken Executive Orders to a new level. They are all in on it.
I will ask you the same question that no Republican can answer. If Romney lowers taxes on the wealthy and repeals all of these regulations, will he force companies to hire and pay higher wages if there is no increase in demand or hope they let their new found profits to trickle down? President Bush was very friendly to business, yet he had a larger jobs gap than President Obama. Please explain that away.
http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/18/news/economy/obama-bush-jobs/index.html
I await your response.
Its what those executive orders say that is the problem not the number of them. Obama violates the constitution at will!
Just how does an Executive Order violate the constitution when it’s signed by Obama, but not by any other President?
13% on capitol gains, he had no income from employment and MILLIONS given to charity. I, for one am just fine with that.
TxLady,
The issue isn’t his tax rate or how much he donated to charity. He had said he should be quealified to be President if he paid more in taxed than he legally owes, then he claims less in charitable contributions in order to pay more in taxes than he legally owes just to keep a campaign promise. You do not have a problem with that? and please do not start citing Obama’s promises broken.
Sorry, he said he should NOT be qualified to be President.
Oh, but there are so many broken promises by Obama to cite!!
CT Agent,
Find me a politician who has not broken promises, please. I never expect politicians to keep their promises because I understand that most people are intelligent enough to be told the truth and still vote for someone. That goes for both sides.
I don’t have an issue with it at all.
Why would you make a comment about don’t cite Obama’s broken promises? Rather confused by that. Did you assume I would go there? I don’t need to.
If you want to discuss something civilly, please do not tell me what to say before I have had a chance to comment. Not very nice of you to presume…….
The issue is, TxLady, he makes millions of dollars but his effective tax rate is less than ours! He only dumbed down his charitible contributions so he’d have to pay MORE tax in order to run for President. Not because they weren’t owed to him. Not because he’s a “nice guy”. Good golly! Why do you think tha the rich should have a lower net tax rate than the middle class???
TxLady,
I apologize for making the presumption. It was not meant to be mean, but if you read enough of the comments on this site you will see that everytime I ask someone to defend Romney, they bash Obama. I was just trying to avoid that conversation again.
To Libby,
Out tax code taxes capital gains and wages differently. That is why the lower rate for Romney’s capital gains. I have no problem with that. Capital gains comes from investments, which stem from money you’ve already earned ( and been taxed upon before) that you have now placed as an investment. I do not beleive they should be taxed at the same rate as regular wages. I am just fine with the capital gains tax rate.
However, a flat tax would suit me fine, with it being paid by EVERYONE.
TxLady:
Tax on capital gains applies only to the income or gain and not on the initial investment which has already been taxed. I do not believe this tax should be lower than any other income.
Nice try TxLady. You are talking to a brick wall with Libby who believes in double taxation to the nth degree. If a person makes $100,000 a year for many years and pays the maximum tax rate on it at 30+%, saves some money and then invests it and then pays 15% on the Capital Gains, he/she has not paid his fair share. She wants the maximum tax to be paid so it can go to the government to pay for Obamacare and all the other wasteful programs, departments and agencies. Her plan would discourage investment, kill jobs and retard the economy, but isn’t that their plan for this country?
How is that discouraging investment? Just because you would have to pay the normal rate on the INCOME you generate from the gain? Sounds fair to me.
Libby, as you have admitted in a prior post, Economics is not your strong suit as your uninformed post has revealed. TxLady’s post sailed right over your head and you came up with you didn’t believe the Capital Gains Tax rate should be any different. Double taxation at the same rate as earned income suits you just fine. If that happens, the investors will be taking money out of the country so fast it will make your head swim. The stock market will implode and we will go off the fiscal cliff just like your President wants it to. Did you know that if this country reforms its tax code and goes to a fair or flat tax maximum of 15% and all the loopholes go away, we will have much more revenue than we presently enjoy and perhaps we wouldn’t be borrowing $.40 of every dollar to fund government? I encourage you & Planet to enroll in a good Econ 101 course and study Milton Friedman and get your head out of the clouds.
TxLady & Agent,
If I pay $10,000 for stock and sell it for $15,000, you pay capital gains on the $5,000, not the $10,000 on which you already paid taxes. Please explain how that is double taxation. I agree that an increase in the capital gains tax would discourage some investment, but let’s not call it something it is not.
Agent,
Regarding the flat tax proposal with no deductions. Wouldn’t that result in the largest tax increase in U.S. history since the 47% who currently do not pay any federal income tax and the top who use capital gains and deductions to pay under 15%. And what do we do with all of the IRS agents, tax attorneys and accounts that lose their jobs. I know you probably don’t care, but it would have a huge impact on the economy. I guess there would plenty of $10 per hour, no benefits jobs at Domino’s, Staples and The Sports Authority for them.
Good luck getting that passed by any politician.
Please. oBama is a Property Tax Dodger here in IL. He bought two,parcels right next door to each other – one vacant and one with a house. He paid vacant land on the property with the house. He then he bought the vecant property for what he should pay for the house. This had the effect of lowering the house taxxes down to vacant land value.
This is public record. Not some he said she said bogus slanted new station. This is fact.
Ron:
It’s double taxation because of how capital gains are paid out to being with.
First, the company receives the investment income from investors.
This income is spent as income on their projects.
The make earnings on those projects. Those earnings are taxed, as corporate revenues.
The revenues / earnings from the corporation are already taxed. As a stock holder you are sharing in the profits. Therefore, you are sharing in the taxation. It is double taxation to tax the shareholder’s value, after you already taxed the value of the revenues which lowered the value of their stock to begin with.
It’s not misleading to say this.
And I believe the only ones with mental disorders are the ones voting for Romney and Ryan. Nan was right. Between the two of them they don’t agree on anything. They don’t know what the f&%k they’re going to do if they get elected. It would truly be a nightmare and catastrophic for this country if that happened.
Nightmare and catastrophic pretty much describes the last 4 years!
CT, you might want to educate yourself as to the difference between an embassy and a consulate, among other things. Perhaps retake high school civics and American History. After you do that, you might want to revisit your thinking. Your comments in general remind me of an old bumper sticker: “A mind is like a parachute. They both work only when open.”
Really, claimsguy. WTF is the difference!? Embassy…consulate. Americans were MURDERED in an act of TERRORISM and our president won’t admit it. And, here you are giving me a lecture telling me there’s a difference between an embassy and a consulate? Really?? WTF?! You’re a joke…just like the president!!
Claims guy, I think your missing something here. Instead of OBama condeming the murders by terrorists, he has Billary appoligizing. Bash on bush all you want, but he would have troops heading there to take care of business. Did you not hear what happened in Chicago a few weeks back? Getting too close to home. This p%$$y is appolgizing to the murders of American People. Sending Foreign Aid over there? People that hate us getting my hard earned tax dollars. Dont we have enough homeless and starvation going on here? Instead, we send money to the mid east so they can buy weapons and murder our people. Whats worse then an ILL Politician?
So CT, our President goes before the UN yesterday still saying the video is responsible for the Middle East violence which killed our Ambassador and 3 other Americans. This is reprehensible because the evidence is that Al Quida had this planned for some time and used 100 soldiers of Islam to carry it out with RPG’s, machine guns. It was planned by the guy they let out of GITMO some years ago and sent back to Libya. By the way, Obama is turning 55 more loose from GITMO back to Libya including Bin Laden’s body guard. I am sure they will live peaceful lives and will not want to do harm to any more Americans, right? These animals should have been tried by Military Tribunal, convicted of war crimes and executed long ago. What a rotten scenario this is.
Agent, I realize you are from Texas where every dispute is settled by a gun, but the President is trying a little thing we like to call Diplomacy to call this situation down. Why inflame an already volatile situation? Does it really matter what CAUSED the violence? It needs to stop and ranting and raving and killing more people is not the way to go about it.
Libby-the whack job jihadist muslims want nothing to do with diplomacy. They want to KILL us…GET IT??? Do you really think that this joke of a president and the sec’y of state’s apologies mean anything to these animals? No-bama should’ve taken care of business in Libya the very next day after our Americans were murdered. The end. Instead? He did NOTHING!!! We need to remind the world why they shouldn’t mess with the U.S.!! Am I being undiplomatic? TOUGH ****!!!
More propoganda CT? Really. Show me where he apologized to terrorists or shut up about it.
CT – since you have yet to show me where the President apologized to terrorists, I guess you are just shutting up about it. Thank you.
And, claimsguy…your mouth (and mind) would suit us all fine if you were to keep it shut.
Good one No-bama. Short and to the point. I like your moniker as well.
Wouldn’t suit me fine. I like what he has to say.
Billary was on TV appoligizing Libby. Even I caught that on the news. Pretty much sick and tired of the election crap. And all we do is argue amung ourselves about the same tired crap and no one will be changing their minds.
I’m confused. This says the IRS will collect the penalty, but there have been recent articles where the IRS has pointedly said they will not be responsible.
which is correct?
Come on Bob, its the government. They dont have to be honest. Their politicians and the top dog is from Illinois.
Did I read those last couple of sentences correctly? We all know Obamacare is a play right out of the Repubs playbook….and it’s what Romney did in Mass….and it said it is working well there. So it works? Genuinely asking, no sarcasm.
Ask the Governor Duvall Patrick how his budget in doing in Taxachusetts the last several years. They are in the hole big time and more taxes will be coming down and they are scaling the program back because it is too expensive. Healthcare is their big ticket item and I am sure it was sold to the folks that more people covered would equal lower premiums. That is what the Feds are saying about Obamacare. It doesn’t happen because it is a failed concept. They don’t have Tort Reform, no competition between companies and it is over utilized.
Thanks, Agent. I figured I was somehow misreading that.
Just a thought – if its not working in Mass, why jam it down the entire nations throat? It appears that Obama does not learn from history. Multiply Romneys mistake by 52? Thats OBamas logic – it did not work there so lets ram it down everyones throat.
In Obama’s case as he has stated, there are really 57 states to ram it down.
Well Nebraskan it depends on how you look at it. They don’t call the state- “Taxachusetts” for nothing. Some of the highest taxes in the nation. From everything I can read if you have government paid insurance it is not what it used to be and if you had no insurance you are better off. I can tell you this. People from Canada, who have an Obama plan for the entire country, hate it. They go to Michigan, crossing over from Windsor and Port Huron to get treatment in the US. Michigan has a lot of Canadians getting MRI’s,cat scans etc. The reason? They can’t get them in Canada. Local television two weeks ago had a Canadian man getting treatment in Detroit because it takes them 6 months or longer to get an MRI and you could die before you have the test. Why? Because the people who formerly did not have insurance flood the hospitals “because now we have insurance”rather than go to the doctor, and two the government does not pay any money for the tests (remember Obama just pulled 716Billion out of medicare payments to doctors and hospitals). If the hospitals can’t pay for the machines they get rid of all of them but 1 or two and run them around the clock (the airline strategy). So, people die because they have to get in line and wait forever or until they die. That is why the Canadians cross borders. They won’t be doing that in a year or two because it will be as bad or worse here.
Frankly I am not a big Romney supporter but it is better than the socialist we have now. I would vote for a potted plant before I would vote for Obama.
Ok, you can laugh at me, but genuinely asking, again, if it’s a tax that is applied if you DON’T have insurance, how is it government paid insurance? Am I misunderstanding Obamacare? It’s not forcing anyone on insurance, but making them pay a tax if they don’t have it? Again, not disagreeing with you, not saying you are wrong, just trying to completely understand. Because honestly, when I read these comments, it’s appears that people are talking about two very different things. I also have no anger towards you or anyone on this website. Thank you.
Bob, The IRS is supposed to enforce the tax but it said it will not. Just like they don’t enforce the $4.5 billion fraud being committed by Mexican illegals whofile fraudulant tax returns. Leave it up to the federal government to run it and it won’t work just like social security, the post office, healthcare, medicaid, etc. This is a farce
They can look at a House sub committtee with a straight face and say they will not enforce the “tax”. How is it that 16,500 new IRS agents will be hired to not enforce it? Hmm! Since the track record has not been too good the past 4 years on the truth, I suspect that they are lying through their teeth and our representatives will probably buy it hook, line and sinker.
I think those agents will be hired to count towards the jobs created or saved statistic. No other purpose than to boost Obama’s dismal employment numbers.
Only an idiot would vote Republican!!! Stop voting against you own self interest and think about you and your family. This is coming from someone who works for an HMO.
Ummm..I am thinking about my family…that’s why I include them on my insurance, which I purchase through my company. Try again, Ania.
All the consumer wants is health insurance that pays and is affordable. I don’t call $14000. a year for health insurance affordable. Don’t forget the deductible. What needs to happen is reel in the health insurance industry starting with the insurance companies. The local BC/BS was being investigated the coughed up $80 + Million for a state program. Then the coughed up 50 million to fund a new medical school. They sponsor everything they can and who pays….. The policy holders. Last year we had a 30% increase, this year than want another 10% Obamacare is not going to be the fix. Those that work can’t afford to take the time off to sit in the docotors office.
Would Tort Reform help? Without addressing the underlying factors – the top underlying factor – what you get is change for the sake of change with a high price tag and new taxxes.
$14K a year? I wish mine was that low. I wish I didnt have a $10K deductible. Bash on the insurance company? How about the attornies that file law suite after law suite? I cant watch TV in the evening witholut seeing some attorney advertising “Call Me, we will sue”. 1-800 bad drug.
Seeing as these are ALL projections and theory, perhaps we should not get our panties all in a bunch just yet. The CBO had a different number last time and the next time they may have a different number still.
Hey Cool, have you seen any projections actually go down by CBO since the bill was first scored? Apparently, numbers don’t mean too much to you since you appear to be unconcerned about the cost ballooning from $495 Billion over 10 years to $2.6 Trillion per the most recent scoring. Is it any wonder that the Middle Class will have their head handed to them in increased taxes? All of this for a Progressive dream that is unaffordable and unsustainable so we can have government takeover of a good part of our economy and life and death decisions made by government bureaucrats. You need to wake up and smell the coffee.
CoolCalm–Just an FYI..TRILLION is a bigger number than BILLION. Just thought I’d clarify that for you.
Liberals don’t think in terms of cost and really don’t care if the country is bankrupted as long as they get their precious Healthcare. They figure the future generation will have to worry about the problem. The wonder what the future generation will look like with the direction this country is going. I have visions of a Banana Republic similar to Venezuela or Cuba. Do we really want to live in squalor so the Progressives can continue to run this country into the ground?
CoolCalm, if we wait long enough…we’ll be forced to buy turnips from China (whatever/wherever) or taxed for not doing it. All of this rhetoric is fine but we have to take action if we want to take our government back. We the people need to have our voices heard by voting this November.
I’m with you, CoolCalm. Too many Chicken Littles running around telling us the sky is falling. If all these people were so smart, what are they doing on this blog? Go out and run the country for crying out loud. Anyone can play fantasy football or Monday morning quarterback. If you think you have all the answers then get in the game! Otherwise, your opinion is the same as anyone elses. And that ain’t alot.
Libby..I gotta tell ya. You are great for a morning laugh! And, and afternoon laugh. And, early/mid afternoon laugh…you get the picture.
Chicken Little did not have history to learn from. Govt intrusion into private business has always been an increase of cost somewhere along the lines. Usually in taxxes especially to the middle class. Soon, we wont have the middle class to tax anymore. Trickle up Poverty nipping at my heels.
FFA, those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Liberal Progressives look right past what happened in the Great Depression and think their Keynsian theories of spend your way to prosperity actually work. Keynes was discounted big time by Milton Friedman. He was a big Capitalism guy and knew that this country rose to be the most powerful economic engine the world has ever seen due to freedom, entrepreneurship and a people who pursued their dreams. He also knew that Progressive Socialism is a gospel of failure everywhere it has been tried. Libby, tell us which country practicing Progressive Socialism is leading the world in developing their economy and providing a high standard of living for their people and keeping taxes low.
There are under 535 total positions in the government for congress and senate seats (the positions which control the issues we are debating on)
If your goal is to say 535 people’s opinions matter, and the geniuses of the world are only those 535, suffice it to say you are wrong.
I’m curious how many of those people ran on an “intelligence” plat form. Most ran with a “D” and won it on that, when it comes to getting your vote.
I’m also curious to know how many of them have a 156 IQ…
It that your IQ, Bob? If so, why aren’t you running?
I only made mention of your comment to who is and is not qualified to make comments.
There are 535 positions and it’s popularity contest. Why aren’t you running? The answer? You couldn’t win. Same here.
My ideas are good, and you can’t just state why am I not in charge to dismiss them. I’ve emailed them in documents to the Romney campaign, and received replies. Why aren’t you submitting ideas to Obama?
By the way don’t come at me with the “If”. I was tested at the age of 5.
By the age of 5 I knew up through algebra math, basic spanish, read books like the hobbit, and the sequels, I did book reports on them which made my kindergarden teachers go bonkers when I didn’t have high grades later, etc.
School bored me. I’m the only person I know of that every year the teacher would ask what could possibly be going on to make their brightest student not do the homework. I aced the tests every time. I studied the Algebra 2 trig book in one night, and aced the test the next day after doing none of the homework. Needless to say the teacher asked me what the hell was going on. She gave me an exception on the grade to a B+ and disregarded my homework. My 5th grade teacher Mrs. Anderson called me the brightest child she had ever seen. My Freshman year I was forced to retake the WASL because I had a perfect score, they thought I cheated.
So yeah, my IQ is 156, my sister is 145, and my brother was 151. I would argue the only reason for mine being higher is that my brother an I competed, we would read books just to see who could finish more quicker, and then give each other summaries. He was teaching me physics by the time I was in 8th grade. He himself is a post grad. You’re talking a smart bunch of people.
My concepts should get that across by now.
And my IQ is 128. I’m hardly a dummy either, pal. But I could tell you had a high IQ and no empathy, compassion, or joy. Numbers, numbers, numbers is all you ever talk about and there is so much more to life and living than numbers, Bob. Just because you’re book smart (my sister has an IQ of 142 and doesn’t know when to come in out of the rain) doesn’t mean you know and understand everything. You don’t understand how to relate to people without coming across as a 156 IQ smarty pants. And that really turns people off. Especially we morons, who weren’t blessed with such a gift. Use it wisely and not wise-assly and you’ll get farther.
Bob,
“more quicker” Nice grammar from someone with an IQ of 156. Normally I do not point out spelling and/or grammatical erros (I make some myself when trying to type quickly), but if you are going to BRAG about how smart you are, you deserve the criticism.
Ron:
Please do go fuck yourself. On a forum I have no need to grammar check.
Besides, I was talking past tense, multiple books. We were seeing who could read multiple books quicker. It’s technically not the best grammar, however I don’t “much care”.
Libby:
Actually you’re wrong there as well. My IQ was solely existent from my conceptual abilities. My mathematical were strong as well, but I’m not book smart.
I’m smart in any area I decide conceptually to postulate a series of systems of how something works.
My numbers here have not been good. When I have run back they have been so wrong in some posts it’s unbelievable. However, the concept if applied with the right math would work out, and I know the general concept.
I am about concepts above numbers. Moreover, list a concept I’ve been wrong about on this site. You’ve not delved into them, and it’s far better to go into a concept than it is to proudly declare you know how to have the right “emotions” on a subject. People like me in society get shit done rather than saying it’s about how the world should feel on the matter of tax rates, we go off of who benefits.
Ron,
I also feel the need to point out that this is one of the few cases more works out with quicker.
“let’s see who finished more books quicker”. “I finished more, quicker than my brother”
“we were reading, trying to see who could finish more, quicker than the other.”
Would work as an example if a judge were to examine who finished the most books the fastest. It just wouldn’t be better than saying “let’s see who finished the most the fastest” which also isn’t quite that great either.
I think only someone with an high IQ would have caught that, and only someone with a dumbass IQ would not have.
Ron,
And to further put something out there, she said the smartest people in the world are in congress, I said no, they aren’t, I wonder how many have a 156 IQ.
I was actually DEFENDING my intelligence, that is NOT bragging, smart ass. I take that back, remove the smart, and you’re just an ass.
She said “IF” I had a 156 IQ. I defended against two things, whether congress was smarter than I just for being in congress, and whether my IQ was what it was. I think I can use examples so as to show my intellect.
Ron, as we have already seen in your posts, you don’t know much on anything.
You said I couldn’t blame Obama for housing costs. He passed plans geared at keeping costs high on houses, it worked. Your vague reply was “we blame presidents too much for the bad!!”. This one Ron, I didn’t blame without cause. He did it. Vague concepts like that don’t have place in a debate.
I answered your questions, with great form. I explained, as you asked, and asked you how Obama helped the middle class in this hard time by raising housing costs, and then allowing people to refinance a home without proof of income. The second of those I know because the loan officer told me what was passed, and said “good news! thanks to this new law from Obama you can refinance with no loan documents!”.
Does that sound like what I said before, with the Leahman Brothers, WAMU, Country Financial, and Citibank being forced to give crap loans?
Obama is raising housing costs now, he caused the housing bubble burst before by triggering CRA regulations through lawsuits, and is causing a new housing bubble by putting in place those same regulations now, and you want me to defend putting in Romney by saying what Romney will do? How about what he won’t, which would actually help the economy?
He will NOT iflate housing costs, by forcing banks to buy up and then sell houses at a higher value than they are worth (Obama did this)
He will NOT pass regulations to allow people with no income documentation to refinance, or finance, loans.
Those two are enough to stop a huge problem in this country. That’s enough to vote Obama out right there. In these posts, you have made many people look biased, for wanting this jack ass out of congress, and have basically tried to make people look like fools while doing so. So now you’ve found me, a threat, and you throw an insult to see if I’m game, and I know what I’m talking about. Don’t bother Ron. I already made mince meat of you above.
You are really something Bob. What a jackass. Ron has not tried to make anyone look biased. He has been respectful and polite. Alot more than I can say about you. Quit trying so hard. We all know you’re a smarty pants. We just don’t like you and wish you would go away with your bullying tactics and “make mincemeat out of you” attitude. You aren’t as smart as you think you are, as CRA had nothing to do with the housing crises. I’ve already explained what did. Quit trying to one-up everyone and just state your facts. We’ll be respectful and respond nicely if you do that.
Boy, has this digressed. Name Calling. Swearing. Bragging rights over IQ.
This string right here is further evidence that the country is divided. We need someone to re-unite the country. Pull for the greater good of all, not just some special interest group.
In my 49+ years (50 on Sat) as an American Citizen, through my adult life I have never seen things like this before. MArket is hard. What used to be a good product to sell (Group Health) is no longer feasable because of obama Care. ACA should be changed to ACAP – another crime against people.
Another piece on the news this morning that Congress is dragging their feet on things that will spike tax rates across the board.
I advocate to vote against all incumbants. If it were possible, I would advocate the firing of all people in office. Bunch of self serviving jack asses that care about nothing but themselves.
So, go ahead Dems, Blame Bush & the Repub. Go ahead Rep and Blame Dumbs. One thing has become evident with my IQ (I have no clue what that is) Change Needs to happen in November.
Happy Birthday FFA. Enjoy yourself. Things will be better in November. Gobama!
To Bob – my exact quote was:
“I’m with you, CoolCalm. Too many Chicken Littles running around telling us the sky is falling. If all these people were so smart, what are they doing on this blog? Go out and run the country for crying out loud. Anyone can play fantasy football or Monday morning quarterback. If you think you have all the answers then get in the game! Otherwise, your opinion is the same as anyone elses. And that ain’t alot.”
You said “I defended against two things, whether congress was smarter than I just for being in congress, and whether my IQ was what it was. I think I can use examples so as to show my intellect.”
I did not EVER say the people in Washington were the smartest guys. I said the people on this blog thing they’re so smart, why don’t they run for Congress.
And on the subject of grammar, yours is atrocious. The correct phrase would have been “more quick” or just “quicker”. Ron’s right. Pretty bad for someone with a 156 IQ.
And I didn’t challenge you on your IQ. You mentioned “AN” IQ number of 156 in regards to people in Congress. I just asked if that was your IQ. You are the one defensive about it. I don’t care what your IQ is. You’re still, and always will be, a jackass. So run along and prostulate a series of systems to cure yourself of being a chronic asshole.
Thanks for the B Day wish Libby. I’ll be working Saturday. The big 50 will pass without any fan fare. This has been such a horrific year, I am cheering for December 31st. Obviously not an OBama fan, but at the very least I will know what I have to do moving forward.
Libby:
“It that your IQ, Bob? If so, why aren’t you running?”
Implication is that intelligence corrosponds with people in congress. You said “If”. That was questioning my IQ.
You said:
“If you think you have all the answers then get in the game! Otherwise, your opinion is the same as anyone elses. And that ain’t alot.””
Again, implication is that if you’re not in congress your opinion doesn’t matter. Thus building the picture of your point, that if you’re not in congress your opinion doesn’t matter, and if people are smart, they would be able to be in congress.
Don’t back petal.
And no, Ron was not polite. He asked for a republican answer, got it, and then he tried to wiggle out of it.
He then posted a comment about my comment to do with my IQ to you, something he had no place in, and was myself basically saying I’m well qualified and know what I’m talking about with politics. You said my opinions don’t matter unless I’m in congress, how emotional is that eh Libby? You say you pray for me, because of my horrible emotional issues and numbers. Nah, I care about people, more than you. And don’t try the bullying technique with me, won’t work.
“It that your IQ, Bob? If so, why aren’t you running?”
‘Implication is that intelligence corrosponds with people in congress. You said “If”. That was questioning my IQ.”
No it’s not. I asked if that was your IQ. In a separate question I asked if so, why aren’t you running Mr. Smarty Pants. You know so much, why aren’t you running the country?
“If you think you have all the answers then get in the game! Otherwise, your opinion is the same as anyone elses. And that ain’t alot.””
“Again, implication is that if you’re not in congress your opinion doesn’t matter. Thus building the picture of your point, that if you’re not in congress your opinion doesn’t matter, and if people are smart, they would be able to be in congress.”
The implication is “your” (the collective your) opinion doesn’t mean more than anyone else’s opinion. And that’s not alot. Because opinions are just that. Everyone has one. Not right or wrong. Just an opinion. Nobody has a lock on the opinion game.
You’re paranoid, Bob.
Actually Libby, you said it a second time, you said if I’m so smart why am I not running the country?
That’s a personal comment as well as a conceptual. It’s you saying I’m not smart for one, and for two, it’s saying that people who are smart do run the country.
Not paranoid, just too clever for you to follow. Bored now, later!
Yes, Cool. We should not get excited every time the cost doubles from the CBO projection. Orginally, $495 Billion over 10 years to now estimated at $2.6 Trillion with a T in the same period. I have not seen a downward projection yet, even from the left.
As with everything with the GUVment, it will be much larger number of folks paying additional taxes than this $6Mil estimate!
FFA, On a lighter note to you and Always, congratulations to the Bears for handing the Cowgirls their head last night. I am from Texas, but have been so displeased with how the Dallas organization has been run that I have switched over to the Texans who seem to know how to fight and win against better teams. This may be their year from what I have seen so far assuming they don’t have any key injuries that slow them down.
Whats with Dez Bryant? Cant read a blitz – not like the bears are not know to blitz – and cant catch a ball in the wide open field that hits his hands??? At least Hester can return punts. No biz trying to catch balls as a receiver. Thats why he was a corner back in college – bricks for hands. Afraid to take the shot over the middle.
Bryant is a stupid ball player that has not applied himself to his trade despite the millions in signing bonus he received. In fact, the whole team is either stupid or they have bad coaches who can’t teach proper techniques. Romo is stupid for throwing into double coverage, hence 5 interceptions. They will be extremely lucky to be 8-8 this year. Garrett may be ok as an assistant, but he is not head coach material.
Wernt you the one in the other forum beating the Lovie Smith Drum? Gruden made refrence to Lovies how town and surprise, I knew that! Not that anyone cared. I’ve been told my head is full of useless facts before.
Personally, I think he gets a bum rap in Chicago. he has coached longer then Ditka. He has more playoff wins then Ditka. No disrespect to Da Coach – he did win the super bowl. But Lovie needs to get respect too.
Yes I was. Anyone from the sprawling metropolis of Big Sandy, Tx., pop 1,500 cannot be all bad. I admire Lovie a lot for bringing himself up to the pinnacle of coaching in the NFL. It is amazing that he could do that in this “racist” country that the Progressives keep saying we have. We have a black President, a black DOJ and 18% of the Federal Work force is black even though they make up only 12% of the population. The Progressives say we are racists if we object to Obama and his administration. I am not a racist, but I do object vehemently to what they have done to this country in a very short while. As Eastwood said it well, when you haven’t done the job for all the people, it is time for the people to let you go.
Yes. Another example of the opportunity that exists in this country. Jimmy Grahm another example. One of the best in the biz at what he does right out of the school of hard knocks. Enough excuses. Time for people yo look in the mirror.
Didnt Opra pull herself out of the getho after being molested as a child?
Bob, I think your IQ may be 75-100 points higher than the typical Congressman or Senator in Congress. They must be rationing brains up there like we will have with rationed Healthcare. No rational person of intelligence would think it was a good idea to keep spending $1.4 Trillion more than we take in every year and not do anything about getting the fiscal house in order. Obama and his minions promise more of the same since they know they will be long gone when we have to pay the piper.
FFA, You are right about Oprah. I wonder how she feels now about being called a one percenter who isn’t paying her fair share. I have noticed she has not been as prominent this campaign sharing the stage with the annointed one. Another guy that made it big was Bill Cosby. He has ragged on the Blacks for not having the ambition to get educated, get a job and get out of the ghetto. The opportunities are limitless in this country for people that have the want to. The Progressives really want to keep them down by allowing failing schools to continue, give no vouchers so kids can be sent to good schools. The teachers unions want to perpetuate failure and want no accountability for their performance. Chicago is the most recent example. What a waste of human resources.
Bruce Springsteen is another 1% that campaigned for OBama 4 years ago. I’ll bet he changed his mind.
Bill Cosby has always been preaching that as long as I can remember. I also recall a Graduation Speach that he gave with the same theme. Many of the Black Population were upset for that speach.
Dont know Libbys race, but she has picked herself up and dusted hersellf off. Got back on her feet and spit in the face of adversity.
BTW, why doesnt congress have to be on OBAma Care?
Another thought – this is such a hot button topic, why dont they put it on a national ballot as a referendum? Let the people decide.
They won’t do that because they know the majority of Americans would vote it down. They like to be in the position of ramming it down our throat because they know what is best for us, being the elitists that they are. They think we are just clinging to our guns and religion and have no clue what is best for us.
That is fine, but then you have to put EVERY piece of legislation up for a referendum. Boy wouldn’t that be fun. I wonder if the Civil Rights Act would have passed? I wonder if the recent Veterans Jobs bill filibustered by the Republicans in the Senate would have passed?
Wonder if the Keystone Pipe line would be creating jobs by now?
Not as amny as infrastructure projects the Veterans would be completing. And it would benefit more Americans, not just a few Oil executives in Canada selling the oil to India, Japan and China. Or, do you think we should tell the oil companies that if the oil runs through America, it must stay in America?
Well Ron, lets fire them up – all of them. What is he waiting for?
It’s called Congress. You know, the opposite of progress.
Yep. They have their jobs, why worry about someone else?
11 dislikes on my Fire them up comment and only 4 likes. 73.33% of people that expressed an opinion are against job creation right here right now. Today. Sad. Sad. Sad.
Romney is committed to building Keystone which would create 100,000 jobs in short order. He also wants to be energy self sufficient in 10 years. That takes a real commitment to develop all resources, not just solar, battery, switchgrass or algae.
Here is what was voted down…
Wednesday’s vote was 58 Yeas to 40 Nays in favor of S.AMDT.2789, an amendment to the veterans jobs corps bill waiving normal budgetary procedure
They were against waiving “normal budgetary procedure” and Republicans said the spending authorized in the bill violated limits that Congress agreed to last year.
And, fyi, this “jobs bill” would cost us taxpayers another cool $1 billion…….
So it is OK to spend hundreds of billions of dollars to send them to war for us, but we cannot come up with $1 billion for them when they get back? Way to support the Troops!!
Right on, Ron! A big thumbs up!
UGH!!!!
Ron, do you think they were over there keeping the nut jobs busy so as to loimit the chance for them to come over here and do more of the 911 stuff?
Me, personally, wouold not like to find out the hard way.
You have an overwhelmingly pessimistic view on people.
The civil rights bill would have passed with flying colors. Pun intended.
I wonder if the civil rights bill on the alternate side of the fence would have passed were it not for the larger percentage of republicans who voted for it? Republicans also made the civil rights act of 1957. Passing something 7 years later though, and voting for it as a lesser number of percentage, is totally progressive.
Bob, I don’t know if you saw the history of the Civil Rights movement in the article I did. Up until the 1964 Civil Rights legislation, Democrats opposed all prior legislation. In fact, the leader of the pack was the honorable Robert Byrd, (D-WV) who in his younger days rode the horses with a sheet over this head. These Progressive fools think the Republican Party is anti black. The President in office that freed the slaves in the civil war was Abraham Lincoln, (R-IL). It is too bad that airheads like Libby and Planet did not study history or they would see Democrats are at the center of bigotry and hatred in this country. When Biden made his famous racist statement – They are going to keep you in chains, it didn’t sit very well with the largely black audience. He is a dufus fool and it is horrifying to me that he is a heartbeat away from the Presidency.
They make this stuff up as they go anyways.
Agent, you are correct, liberals don’t think in terms of cost or reactions to broad form sweeping legislation like Obummercare. All they want is to make a decision and worry about the consequences later. Then when there is a blow up, the Democrats will make some broad amendment which is a temporary fix untilit blows up.
What this country needs is:
a balanced budget amendment,
a flat tax of 12 to 15 percent with no deductions period
Social Security placed in a trust that can’t be manipulated by the government.
Real border controls and real ICE objectives to deport illegals
a guaranteed percentage of the budget allocated to defense which can’t be manipulated
and an administration thatdoes not alienateour strongest allies while appoligizing to terrorists.
FFA- Amen, I am all for putting Obamacare on the ballot. If it passes it passes, if it does not it goes off the table. Let the people decide. This administration (the one who promised transparancy) ran the bill thru the Democratically controlled house, in the middle of the night and gave no one any time to read it. That was enough for me.
Sargent, A bill that has been as divisive as this one has been for 2 years should be voted on by the people instead of accepting what liberal Progressives have rammed down our throat just because they had a majority in both houses and a sitting Progressive President. A simple up or down vote is all that is necessary. These people have forgotten that they work for us, we don’t work for them. We, the People expressed our displeasure in Nov 2010 about the passage of this bill and we got rid of a bunch of Congressmen who signed onto it. The biggest shellacking of the Democrats in 40 years should have sent a message. We will have to send another in Nov 12 to do a bunch more until we get Representatives and Senators who look out for us and not ideology or special interests.
Ania;
I am thinking about my family and my tax bill shows it. I am tired of being taxed when most of the Obama voters pay NO TAX. 47% of the people in this country pay no federal income tax. I think it is time for them to pay their fair share and quit complaining about how the “rich” people need to pay more. If they pay nothing who is not paying their fair share?
You *do* know that it’s the red states that have the highest amount of non-tax paying people, right? The highest being Mississippi, Georgia and Arkansas.
But you just keep on spouting about how they’re all Obama supporters.
http://taxfoundation.org/article/states-vary-widely-number-tax-filers-no-income-tax-liability
Some of you people make no sense. You gripe and complain about entitlement and having to pay for deadbeats that have healthcare and depend on Medicaid, yet you turn around and gripe that some Americans will be forced to purchase health insurance. What would make you happy??? This tax only affects people that choose not to purchase insurance. It doesn’t apply to those that already have coverage. Get a grip and quit exaggerating about the “tax” that will not even affect the majority of you.
I meant to say “have no healthcare”
Do you really believe that Libby that it is a tax that will not affect the majority of us. What happens when Obamacare becomes insolvent? Without healthcare reform, the costs will continue to go up. If you are in insurance, higher losses mean higher premiums. In this case, taxes…according to the “supreme” court. The cost will eventually affect us all.
Libby,what happems after the election is over? Paid Bloggers get unemployment?
Good one FFA!
Still no answer. Bloggers from either side can answer as I am just surious.
FFA – no answer because no-one knows what you’re talking about. We are insurance people, not paid bloggers.
OBama living somewhere other then the White House.
Illiegal imigrants deported. Billary not appoligizing to terrorists. Not having to answer the phone to hear another Commercial Client closing their doors. Govt to keep their greedy ego driven hands out of my pockets. Tort Reform. NFL Reff strike to end. The Cubs to win a World Series before I die. Oh, and maybe the Bears to win another SB.
What? No hope for the Mets? LOL!
Right about now, the Bears have a better chance to get to the World Series then do the Cubs.
Libby, You are not showing much compassion for the 6 million+ in the Middle Class that will be taxed under Obamacare. You liberals complain that us Conservatives have no compassion and you are willing to throw the Middle Class under the bus just like your President does each day. He famously said he would not raise taxes on the Middle Class and now he says – Lean over Middle Class, we are not through yet. We have had enough of this pervayer of untruth.
Freedome of Choice???
More Obama LIES – yes dear Libby, read it and weep.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/25/Thank-You-Obamacare-Families-Pay-3000-More-Obama-Promised-2500-Decrease
Libby–it doesn’t matter what you ‘meant’ to say. A tax is a tax is a tax. Get it? Obamacare is a tax. Here are just a few of them that will go into effect in 2013. I may have just copied/pasted, but these have been fact-checked, and are true. Make sure you read all the way to the bottom:
1.) The ObamaCare Medical Device Manufacturing Tax:
This is a 2.3% tax on medical device makers will raise the price of every pacemaker, prosthetic limb, stent, and operating table, etc. Can you tell me how taxing medical devices will reduce the cost of health care?
2.) The ObamaCare High Medical Bills Tax:
This tax provision will hit Americans facing the highest out-of-pocket medical bills. Currently, Americans are allowed to deduct medical expenses on their 1040 form to the extent the costs exceed 7.5 percent of one’s adjusted gross income. The new ObamaCare provision will raise that threshold to 10 percent, subjecting patients to a higher tax bill. This tax will hit pre-retirement seniors the hardest. Over the next ten years, affected Americans will pony up a minimum total of $15 billion in taxes thanks to this provision.
3.) The ObamaCare Flexible Spending Account Cap:
The 24 million Americans who have Flexible Spending Accounts will face a new federally imposed $2,500 annual cap. These pre-tax accounts, which currently have no federal limit, are used to purchase everything from contact lenses to children’s braces. With the cost of braces being as high as $7,200, this tax provision will play an unwelcome role in everyday kitchen-table health care decisions. The cap will also affect families with special-needs children, whose tuition can be covered using FSA funds. Special-needs tuition can cost up to $14,000 per child per year. This cruel tax provision will limit the options available to such families, all so that the federal government can squeeze an additional $13 billion out of taxpayer pockets over the next ten years. The targeting of FSAs by President Obama and congressional Democrats is no accident. The progressive left has never been fond of the consumer-driven accounts, which serve as a small roadblock in their long-term drive for a one-size-fits-all government health care bureaucracy. For further proof, note the ObamaCare “medicine cabinet tax” which since 2011 has barred the 13.5 million Americans with Health Savings Accounts from purchasing over-the-counter medicines with pre-tax funds.
4.) The ObamaCare Surtax on Investment Income:
Under current law, the capital gains tax rate for all Americans rises from 15 to 20 percent in 2013, while the top dividend rate rises from 15 to 39.6 percent. The new ObamaCare surtax takes the top capital gains rate to 23.8 percent and top dividend rate to 43.4 percent. The tax will take a minimum of $123 billion out of taxpayer pockets over the next ten years
5.) The ObamaCare Medicare Payroll Tax increase:
This tax soaks employers to the tune of $86 billion over the next ten years.
As you can understand, there is a reason why the authors of ObamaCare wrote the law in such a way that the most brutal tax increases take effect conveniently after the 2012 election. It’s the same reason President Obama, congressional Democrats, and the mainstream media conveniently neglect to mention these taxes and prefer that you simply “move on” after the Supreme Court ruling.
Thank you CT Agent. Another one the left doesn’t want to talk about is the excise tax if you sell your home. What was that tax doing in a Healthcare Bill? You know what, with all the city, county, school district, property taxes, Federal Income taxes, Obamacare taxes, death taxes, it is a wonder anyone has any disposable income left after they get through with us.
What excise tax? I haven’t read that one in any article I’ve read about the taxes in this bill.
Libby, this has been discussed, debated for month after month but this tax for selling your home sailed right over your head. Bob and Sarah both pointed this out to you on numerous occasions. Perhaps your Huffington Post did not have that in their site so you missed it. Trust me, it is in there. That should help revitalize home sales, right?
That’s why I missed it. I never pay attention to anything Bob or Sarah have to say.
You haven’t read about the excise tax (which you must’ve skimmed over, because it’s in there..)…ok…but what about the 5 I’ve listed above? Are you actually saying that you agree that these are taxes and not penalties? Dare I think that you are?
Perhaps you should refer to my response posted below. Yes, they are taxes, but you did not include all the facts about those taxes. Not one of them is aimed at “middle income” Americans.
“And the medical device mfg tax is in the process of being repealed if I’m not mistaken. The payroll tax will not apply to companies that provide health insurance options to their employees. And then only if one of their employees qualifies for the tax credit. The increase in capital gains tax applies only to Americans making more than $250k. If you’re going to quote “facts” at least include ALL the facts and not just the ones supporting your position.”
That was response about the 3 of the 5 taxes you mentioned above.
The sales tax on home sales. Even I knew that one. You are a much better researcher then am I or maybe its that I am not paid to blog and you are. None the less, way to help home sales, huh? Another Living the American Dream Tax. Thanks pres.
I saw this tax and thought it pretty much irrelevant given the current economic situation. And again, you only mention part of the story and not the whole story. The 3.8% tax is imposed only on the amount over the capital gains threshold. With the decline in home prices, it is not likely that most middle class Americans will make any capital gains on a home sale, let alone an amount over that. This is rabid right wing propoganda designed to get everyone frothing at the mouth and in a panic about Obama. Nothing more.
Do you consider this irrelavant because you no longer own a home?
I consider it irrelavant “in this current economy” because it doesn’t apply unless you make over a $250,000 GAIN on your house. Highly unlikely with this housing market. You’d have to have bought your house for $100,000 and sold it for OVER $350,000 for this tax to apply. Yeah. Right. It will, however, apply to all the folks out there with alot of money that are gobbling up houses dirt cheap (as someone said on this blog) and turn around and sell them when the market improves. That is their plan. Spur a recession, keep their wealth, gobble up assets for pennies on the dollar, and make millions. It’s why the rich only get richer.
And, yes, I do own a home.
That tax may be irrelavant to our generation. But, my grand kids and their kids are going to get stuck with it.
My parents bought their house for $180,000. It is now worth $450,000 in this economy, even while down. It would be worth more in tune with $600,000.
My Grandparents have two houses in California. They paid $40,000 for these houses. They are now worth $500,000 a piece. They are not rich. This happens with home owners who have owned a home for some time. This happens with a crap ton of seniors, and it happens with a crap town of 50 something’s who bought a home early.
We want people to have more money when they are self sufficient. Not less. If you honestly believe the norm is not a $250,000 increase in property value you are a fool. If you do not understand that inflation causes the value increase, and thus my parents didn’t EARN anything, and thus shouldn’t be taxed, you are a fool.
California has always been a wierd real estate state and homes were always priced a lot higher than the rest of the country. I had an Aunt that lived in Whittier, Ca and they bought it after WW11 for about $40,000. It was a simple little stucco house and when it was sold after she died, it was sold for about $400,000. I can’t get my mind around that since it wouldn’t have brought $100,000 in most of the rest of the country.
Hi Agent, Libby does seem to be very quiet. I think you two have taken the hot air out of her sails!
She was just getting her second wind Always as you can see by her numerous retorts. On one of the previous blogs, she got so frustrated with Bob, she told him to shut up when he kept telling her to prove her points and patiently tried to show her the error of her ways. Libby is a good person, but it is a shame she has fallen into the trap of believing liberal propoganda.
For the sake of argument Libby, suppose you had a successful manager type employee who was not under water on his mortgage and was offered a promotion with his company to move to another state. He must sell his home and yet finds that he will have the 3.8% excise tax applied to the sale. I know this is a rarity in this country due to economic conditions, but is it fair for a Health Insurance bill to impose this kind of tax on something that has nothing to do with Health Insurance? This is just another example of how liberal Progressive politicians loaded up this bill with all kinds of new taxes to rape the American people and yes this guy would fit the Middle Class.
She is East Coaster.
I have managed to give better than I have gotten from Libby. With all her rantings and ravings, she still hasn’t answered why her President has thrown the Middle Class under the bus which is the topic of this article.
I have already read about those taxes. The “tax” I am referring to is the referenced in the article to which this blog is attached. It refers to the “tax”/penalty that will be applied to those Americans that choose not to purchase health insurance. Many because they can’t afford it. The exchanges are designed to make the costs more affordable and some people will qualify for tax subsidies to purchase their insurance. Since no-one knows exactly how this is all going to shake out, it is premature to scream that healthcare is going to cost more than it does already. With more people insured, the cost should go down – not up. And the medical device mfg tax is in the process of being repealed if I’m not mistaken. The payroll tax will not apply to companies that provide health insurance options to their employees. And then only if one of their employees qualifies for the tax credit. The increase in capital gains tax applies only to Americans making more than $250k. If you’re going to quote “facts” at least include ALL the facts and not just the ones supporting your position.
I should have known better!
You spoke too soon, Always Amazed…
Did you not see my post Libby? The cost is going UP not down.
I’m Always Amazed by the rhetoric that comes from you. You don’t know what the costs are going to do. Projections are just that. Projections. You are against it so you say costs will go up. I’m for it so I say costs will go down. Nobody knows for sure at this point. It’s too soon to tell.
And I have plenty of hot air in my sails. Thank you very much.
That you do.
Has anyone noticed that Libby gets more dislikes than likes? Quite the opposite from CT Agent, Agent, and most others.
And your point, James? To me it means most of the bloggers on this site are white, middle-class, Republican males. Not surprising I would get more thumbs down than up. I don’t take it personally. There are plenty of other sites where the majority would be liking the hell out of me. But then again, those are where the 47% post, so you wouldn’t know anything about them.
I never did reply to your reply, sorry. However, I am not a Republican. Still not voting for Obummer, though!
Libby, Are you talking about Obamacare that has been re-scored to cost $2.6 Trillion with a T? How is that more affordable? The tax penalty will hurt the Middle Class, no doubt about it. Who do you think will pay for the so called subsidies given to people that cannot afford the insurance? Ask Taxachusetts if their Healthcare costs have declined because more people are insured in that state. The theory is faulty. They have no Tort Reform, do not have a competitive marketplace and it is over utilized so costs are still spiraling and Taxachusetts is having to cut back on their program, similar to what Great Britain has been doing to their National Health Service. Rationed care, poor quality of service is what this is all about. Why are you signing onto throwing the Middle Class under the bus?
Agent, you cite debits without mentioning credits. You don’t mention any cuts that will offset any of the cost. Obama has already explained in detail how this will be paid for. But since you loathe him so much I’m sure you discredit what he’s says. So what’s the point? You believe what you believe and I’ll believe what I believe and we’ll see each other at the polls. It’s the American way, thank goodness!
Yes, but how much longer will it be the American way, Libby? Obama and his warped regime are doing everything in their power to take our freedoms away….do you read/listen to any news other than mainstream left media? Apparently not because if you did, you would know that he’s already signed a bill taking away more of our freedoms to protest. H.R. 347…read the modifications it’s made to senate bill S 1794..is this not more of an infringement on our first amendment rights? This president has trampled on our Constitution and is getting away with it. What has happened to our beautiful country? A liberal-progressive, apologetic, socialist in the White House, that’s what.
CT Agent, you and the other foaming at the mouth, radical, FOXNews watching Republicans need to CALM DOWN AND CATCH A GRIP! Do you ever look at these bills or read the legislature before you start spreading your propaganda all over the airwaves? This bill, passed by a Republican Congress I might add, does ONLY the following:
Restricts protesting in these areas:
(1) the White House or its grounds or the Vice President’s official residence or its grounds,
(2) a building or grounds where the President or other person protected by the Secret Service is or will be temporarily visiting, or
(3) a building or grounds so restricted due to a special event of national significance.
Now, just what in the hell is wrong with that and how does it further strip us of our right to protest?
Just the fact that the numbers have changed so often and so drastically shows nobody knows what they will truly end up being.
But the numbers that are changing are always going up! Without real reform and competition, the costs are always going to go up. And by the way, Obama has not explained in detail how it will be paid for. He has provided his normal half truth rhetoric that the average sheep will say BAAH (okay in sheep language)!! Insurance 101…if the insurance carrier is spending $1.25 for every $1.00 it collects, it has to raise its rates. Over-utilization caused by the lack of tort reform is increasing expenses. Nothing has been done to correct this.
In theory, adding more people who don’t buy insurance could add more premium, if they don’t get sick. Do you really think the majority of uninsured people are healthy and don’t need care? The reality is that they are more likely to utilize services since they are now paying for it.
Oh and by the way, according to HHS “the Affordable Care Act requires health insurance issuers to submit data on the proportion of premium revenues spent on clinical services and quality improvement, also known as the Medical Loss Ratio (MLR). It also requires them to issue rebates to enrollees if this percentage does not meet minimum standards. MLR requires insurance companies to spend at least 80% or 85% of premium dollars on medical care, with the review provisions imposing tighter limits on health insurance rate increases. If they fail to meet these standards, the insurance companies will be required to provide a rebate to their customers starting in 2012.”
http://cciio.cms.gov/programs/marketreforms/mlr/index.html
Sounds nice…the gov’t penalizing those big bad insurance companies. I ask you, what company (much less than an insurance company) can operate on an expense ratio of 15% – 20% and be profitable? (I forgot, the Democrats hate profitable companies).
The health insurers will either have to go out of business (enter socialized health care – which I think Obamas ultimate goal is) or to raise premiums to meet the mandated ratios. But the gov’t has caps on the raising of premiums, so, eventually, private health care insurers will go out of business.
And that not knowing dont bother you? You know politicians lie. This one is from IL – Its politician Lying College here. He went to the Harvard of lying schools – Crook County.
What I find interesting is the lack of understanding of taxes by the liberals. They think a tax has an impact on a small number of people, like the medical device manufacturer. Or the hospitals. What a bunch of nincompoops. It does but guess who ultimately pays for the tax? The people do and that includes the middle class, lower middle class etc. The tax is passed on in the cost of the equipment, the treatment to the patient etc. The only group exempt are the deadbeats,illegal aliens etc who won’t pay for anything anyway. The liberals are so bent on “helping” the middle class that they often just do more harm than good.
This is the same thing that happenedin Taxachusetts. Their healthcare plan drove new taxes and old taxes up plus new fees on about everything. The one difference? Taxachusetts has a balanced budget amendmentsothe taxes had to go up quickly to offset the cost ofthe healthcare plan. Great
Sargent, I agree that liberals have no understanding of how taxes impact business and the folks. You may have seen the story of the Medical Device Manufacturer in Indiana who wanted to build a new plant and expand their business. When Obamacare was passed and the new tax would be levied on them, they decided against it and so a couple of hundred new jobs were not created. This is just one example of how the law beats down business. Is it any wonder that business is just waiting until after November to see what the business climate will be? Did you notice that Libby just cannot answer why the President has chosen to throw the middle class under the bus with these new taxes. Her spin is pretty much nonsense.
Libby, I am asking. What are the credits? The credits that are so large that they will offset the debits?
PPACA’s provisions are intended to be funded by a variety of taxes and offsets. Major sources of new revenue include a much-broadened Medicare tax on incomes over $200,000 and $250,000, for individual and joint filers respectively, an annual fee on insurance providers, and a 40% excise tax on “Cadillac” insurance policies. The income levels are not adjusted for inflation, with bracket creep eventually increasing taxes on middle incomes.[36] There are also taxes on pharmaceuticals, high-cost diagnostic equipment, and a 10% federal sales tax on indoor tanning services. Offsets are from intended cost savings such as changes in the Medicare Advantage program relative to traditional Medicare.[37]
Summary of tax increases: (ten year projection)
Increase Medicare tax rate by .9% and impose added tax of 3.8% on unearned income for high-income taxpayers: $210.2 billion
Charge an annual fee on health insurance providers: $60 billion
Impose a 40% excise tax on health insurance annual premiums in excess of $10,200 for an individual or $27,500 for a family: $32 billion
Impose an annual fee on manufacturers and importers of branded drugs: $27 billion
Impose a 2.3% excise tax on manufacturers and importers of certain medical devices:$20 billion
Raise the 7.5% Adjusted Gross Income floor on medical expenses deduction to 10%: $15.2 billion
Limit annual contributions to flexible spending arrangements in cafeteria plans to $2,500: $13 billion
All other revenue sources: $14.9 billion
Summary of spending offsets: (ten year projection)
Reduce funding for Medicare Advantage policies: $132 billion
Reduce Medicare home health care payments: $40 billion
Reduce certain Medicare hospital payments: $22 billion
Original budget estimates included a provision to require information reporting on payments to corporations, which had been projected to raise $17 billion, but the provision was repealed.
And I think I mentioned the manufacturing device mfg tax was in the process of being appealed, if I’m not mistaken.
And the cost is $2.6T over 10 years. That’s alot different than implying it is $2.6T per year.
You make our point Libby. All the things you list are bad for business, doctors, hospitals, medical device manufacturers. Why didn’t you list a crack down on fraud in Medicare & Medicaid? It is estimated there is somewhere between $100-150 Billion per year either wasted or lost due to fraud that the government does not catch. By the way, I did not say that the cost was $2.6 Trillion per year. The original bill was scored at $495 Billion over 10 years and now it is $2.6 Trillion on the same period of time. Of course, if they score it again, we may see over $3 Trillion over 10 years. Totally unafffordable and unsustainable.
Tax money is not reinvested in our country. Money to Pakistan Egypt Jordan. How does that qualify gor reinvestment in our country?
How much money is going to Pakistan as a percentage of the whole? There is a diplomatic purpose for providing money to certain other countries. We don’t necessarily do it because we’re nice guys. We want something in return. Cooperation, access, whatever.
How many Americans can be fed with that small percentage? Why on Earth do we send money to them especially when they carry out Terriost acts against us? Why does Billary feel the need to appoligize to murders? Why are we not taking action? This guy is our Comander in Chief?
Had a near miss in Chicago a few weeks back. Did you miss that? They are here and we are funding them. WHY? Go ask your boss some average Joe from Chicago wants to know that answer.
Libby…is someone paying you to post this rhetoric?? If so, I hope it’s worth selling your soul for.
That’s a good one CT Agent! Actually made me smile. Me, selling MY soul?? No. I’m not the one advocating leaving millions of Americans with no healthcare to fend for themselves. I’m not the Wall Street banker robbing Americans of every penny they’ve ever earned. Those people have no soul to sell.
No. You are just advocating leaving millions of people dependent on government handouts. I, for one, am sickened by liberal progressives like you. Do you really think you are going to have the same lifestyle that you have now after all of Obamacare goes into effect? I don’t know what your lifestyle is–other than you being a liberal, but you’d better enjoy yourself because it’s going to change..drastically. I can’t believe that you see all of this as the government wanting to help people! What ever happened to people helping themselves?! Oh…that’s right. That’s not the way this government wants it to be. If it were, we wouldn’t be having this debate.
The Government is SUPPOSED to take care of the people. That’s the purpose of it. We pay money and in return we are provided services and infrastructure. Jeez. Take a civics lesson.
And as far as being “dependant” on the government, no. Giving access to affordable healthcare to those that to who would otherwise have no access can hardly be described as “dependant upon”.
Uptight, priggish conservatives who are holier than thou make me sick to my stomach. I am not saying that’s you, but if the shoe fits…
It’s a Government OF the people, BY the people, FOR the people, Libby. Not the other way around.
It’s not the other way around CT:
OF the people – these people are “us”.
BY the people – we voted them into office.
FOR the people – proves the point of my previous post.
Libby, do you realize the taxes and offsets you listed equal <$400 Billion and the cost is $2.6 TRILLION over that same 10 year period. Obviously, the math and civics you learned was incorrect. The Govt role is not to take care of people. With regards to the millions of people without it, it is <10% of the population. Also, that was what Medicare was suppose to do, take care of the few that couldn't afford it. We see how well the govt ran that.
Our society has always provided for its citizens from a private, charitable source. Churches, food banks have found ways to support their local communities, which is the way it should be.
Unfortunately, Obama is also trying to change the tax laws to reduce the tax credit for charitable giving, forcing lower donations and creating a bigger reliance on the govt. Oh, and some of the taxes listed above, will still hit the middle class because they won't be able to write off as much as they could previously, thereby increasing their tax obligation. These are hidden tax increases that the Democrats never talk about and the sheep that get their info from NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN and MSNBC never investigate.
I said it before…a partial truth is STILL A LIE!! Integrity matters and Obama has none.
meant to say…without healthcare
The government cannot take care of the people. They do not cause growth, they take from the total dollars.
You pay one tax dollar, you get one tax dollar. This means if you took care of yourself, most of the time you are ahead.
With private growth, you pay someone 5 dollars, they reinvest it, and there is growth overall.
The only way the government can work as you have described is to tax more out of the rich. The rich provide for the poor. So you’re taxing out of the poor when you tax from the rich, whether it’s higher costs, or it’s lower wages. Plus, every dollar you take from them is not reinvested. If a company has 4% annual growth, every dollar you take from them is now losing 4% compounded annually as you take it (so over 10 years this amount is huge), as well as the amount given to someone else is needed every time a job is destroyed.
Tax money IS reinvested. Into our country. If you think of it as a business, you reinvest in your business by buying new equipment, renovating your property, providing benefits for your workers. It’s no different with tax dollars being invested into the country’s infrastructure, defense, citizens. Just because it is no reinvested in the private sector does not mean it is not reinvested. It is reinvested in those things that an individual could not do themselves. ie. build a road, a dam, a bridge, an army, etc. That is the purpose of government – to support and take care of the people.
You said ” It is reinvested in those things that an individual could not do themselves. ie. build a road, a dam, a bridge, an army, etc.”.
I agree, these are the things the govt is supposed to do because an individual cannot do it for themselves. But an individual can get a job and at least try to take care of themselves. And I’m talking only about those that live off the govt and have no intentions of getting a job. I’m talking about the rampant fraud where people manipulate the system with multiple addresses, that divorce their spouses to show a perceived lower income and still live with their spouses.
Do you think it is fair for people who are on welfare, that pay nothing in taxes, that they should get a tax refund? How can a person get a refund if they did not pay anything in the first place. Again, I’m not talking about a low income family that gets all of their taxes back and “zeroes” out their tax burden. I’m talking about those they never paid any taxes in the first place.
Libby: The stimulus, included about $300 billion in tax cuts, $450 billion in economic stimulus.
Each job costed about $200,000 and was temporary.
The GDP growth was about 2%, also known as: $280 billion dollars. We paid $450 billion in stimulus, the economy grew by $280 billion (which is 2% of 14 trillion). That is a factor of losing nearly 1 dollar for every dollar invested.
The government cannot cause more growth by distributing dollars than a private business can. End of story.
Libby:
And my last comment? That’s assuming the stimulus resulted in ALL the growth that year.
To which I say, that is impossible.
Libby:
And I should note that was me being nice, because if you really believe the middle class having money actually helps growth I should have included that. At which point we spent $780 billion technically, and resulted in $280 billion of growth. Losing 3 dollars for every one the government touched.
I aslo should note the government has a cost. So actually, even my premise of $1 dollar in, $1 dollar out is wrong. It’s actually 1 dollar in, more like 80 cents out. So 4% annual compounded growth could double in ten years. You could lose 80 cents to the dollar each year, or earn 1.04 cents to the dollar each year compounded annually, which goes back into the economy. Your choice.
CT, its a job for her. At least we are not supporting her.
Libby, You can’t be serious. Look at what you have. Anual fee, Annual fee, excise tax, annual fee on healthcare providers etc. Ultimately who do you think eats these fees and taxes? The middle class. You know why? There isn’t enough of the so called “rich” people. The very people Obummer is saying he is trying to help. It even states in the article that it will impact the middle class.
So, who else pays the tab. Cuts is Medicare. The seniors, great let’s have granny and grandpa suffer. Just so we can make healthcare poor for all. Let’s also make medicare payments so cheap that hospitals, doctors etc can’t make any money so everyone will get crap healthcare Like I have said previously.
I will say this again. This country can’t fund this t*rd and it will be a burden and a problem for this country unless it is repealed.
So Libby, where did all that Trillion Dollar Stimulus go to create jobs and build the infrastructure? Oops, your President had to admit that the shovel ready jobs weren’t there afterall. Your President invested our tax dollars into political payoffs and failed green companies that created only a few temporary jobs until they went belly up after they used their loan money up. Everytime we hear the word “investment”, that is the code word for spending more of our tax money wastefully and with no positive effect. By the way, what hs the Transportation Dept been doing with their multi-billion dollar budget if they haven’t been maintaining our roads and bridges? That is what they are supposed to do and instead, we need a supplemental stimulus bill to do what they should have been doing for decades. They are about as useful as the Energy Dept who was charged with developing our Energy resources to make us less dependent on foreign sources and we are more dependent than ever and they won’t allow development on Federal Land or approve Keystone that would actually create private sector jobs. What a joke!
Insurance Journal has got to be the biggest group of ill informed commenters in the universe. Obviously a lot of Fox watchers here.
I’ve been told I’m a fox.
Doubt it.
quit hatin’ Libby. Don’t all liberal progressive women have cankles? Now THAT made me laugh!!
Oh, you’re so witty and funny CT Agent! I’m sure you’re such a fox and I should be swooning all over you. Not.
You’re the hater here, bud.
It’s comical how you think I’m a guy. It really is.
Tell me you aren’t. And be honest.
Isn’t that fat, blue ankles??? Ha Ha, that did make me laugh!!
WOW. Cat fight. Can I watch (Oink)?
We all keep arguing our side when all of our minds are made up.
I.am.not.a.man. I.am.a.woman. honest.injun.
Are you finding it hard to believe that I am a woman, Libby? Is it because I do not agree with your liberal progressive leaning? I’m sure you’re one of those that also thinks there’s a war on women in this country.
No woman would be stupid enough to be a Mets fan.
Meow.
Now that we know you are a woman and a fox, there is nothing more attractive than a foxy Conservative woman who doesn’t mind tangling with a Progressive woman like Libby. My personal favorites are Dr. Monica Crowley and Michelle Malkin. They speak the truth with conviction and they are very easy on the eyes.
And you are obviously a fan of MSNBC, Media Matters, Moveon.org, NBC, CBS or ABC. Your moniker fits you perfectly.
Actually Comrade, I watch all of them to see how each spin truth. And by far, MSNBC is the worst. They flat out lie. I saw Chris matthews on Bill Maher spout “when Obama took office, the unemployment rate was over 12%, now it is down to 8.3%”. What a bunch of BS. Of course the audience loved it because they are too stupid to remember that Obama had to pass the stimulus bill to keep un employment from going OVER 8%.
How many times has NBC, ABC & CBS had to retract and apologize for a story that they spun to make the republicans look bad? A lot more than Fox has, that is for sure.
Another clear cut case that this man whom some call President has no idea what he’s doing or creating. He has to go!! One step closer to the cliff he’s dragging us to.
Mark, I do agree that he has to go due to what he is doing. I disagree with you that he has no idea what he is doing or creating. He knows perfectly well what he is doing. He is following the script perfectly with instructions from Soros and all the other Progressive Socialists we have in this government. That is why this is such a dangerous moment in time for this country. Do we want a country run by people like this or do we want to stick with the Constitution and a free market society that will allow all Americans to pursue the American Dream. Personally, I like what the wise founding fathers established and it made the United States of America the envy of the world for over 200 years.
Agent,
I find it amazing that you mention how much you “like what the wise founding fathers established and it made the United States of America the envy of the world for over 200 years” and yet think one individual could destroy it.
This is not in defense of Obama so save me all your anti-Obama crap. It is to illustrate the lengths Republicans will go with their hyperbole in order to scare people into voting against Obama.
Geez, Ron. Didn’t one of your first posts here say that you weren’t yet decided as to whom you will be voting for? Seems to me you knew all along who it is going to be.
I am waiting for the debates. I want to see each candidate respond to questions without a canned speech and/or teleprompter. At this point, I am leaning toward Obama because Romney has yet to sell himself to me and I cannot be alone. Just look at the polls. Even Fox News has Obama ahead. He should be destroying Obama if the economy and Obama’s foreign policy were half as bad as the Republicans keep saying it is.
I am also curious what the Republicans’ top priority will be if he is re-elected since it can no longer be to make him a one-term President. Maybe they will put the American people back on the top of their priority list where we belong.
“Maybe they will put the American people back on the top of their priority list where we belong”
WELL SAID!!!! This statement alone is why you should not vote for oBama. The American People are not at the top of the priority list.
AGAIN, WELL SAID!!!! BRAVO! I hope every incumbant – either side of the table – gets voted out. CAN THEM ALL! EVERY ONE OF THEM!!!
VOTE OUT ALL INCUMBANTS!
No-bama is the KING of tele-prompter reading!!!
Ron, I think you asked why should you vote for Romney before and Agent gave some pretty good reasons. Two questions..Why should you vote for Obama? What improvements has he made to bolster the economy and create jobs?
Yes, he some pretty good reasons assuming the job creators use the lower taxes and less regulations to hire and pay higher wages. Unless he attaches some sort of conditions requiring companies to do these things, which he won’t, he is just giving more profits to the companies at the expense of someone, likely the middle class.
My biggest concern is that he thinks 47% of the people are dependent on the government, feel entitled to food, housing and health care, and are not responsible for their lives. He indicated that he was referring to the 47% who do not pay federal income taxes. I fall into this 47% because I am the sole provider in my house with 3 children. i have never received welfare, food stamps or Medicaid and have never missed a mortgage payment. If he wants to increase my taxes so I have skin in the game, I am OK with that. Just say so and accept the fact that I will be giving the government more money and putting less into the private sector. Are you OK with that?
Actually, he wants to lower taxes for everybody. Unfortunately, the statement was too broad and not qualified (and as usual, the context of the entire message was not released). You, rightfully pay no taxes as the tax laws allow. He was speaking about the people who are dependent upon the government, that have their life sustained by the govt, by their choice. Some people are dependent upon the govt not by choice, but by circumstance. Those people are constantly trying to help themselves…not help themselves to more govt money and programs.
With regards to attaching conditions, no president or law can dictate that (yet). However, our capitalist structure automatically incentivises businesses to grow when they are allowed to. When small businesses do not have to worry about increasing taxes or healthcare costs via mandates, it frees up capital and encourages them to hirer people and grow their business. This was proven to work during the Reagan years. The steps and measures that Reagan took turned the ship so that the economy was ripe to grom during the Clinton years.
Additionally, in regards to giving more money to the govt, that is exactly what Obama and the democrats are going to do. There is no possible way to pay for the additional debt that Obama created than to raise taxes. And if you think only the rich and the big corporations are going to foot the bill, you are naive. More expenses to the corporations mean higher costs to everyone, including the middle class. It is common sense.
If Obama and the democrats really cared about jobs and the middle class, why didn’t they make that their priority when they had control of all the branches of govt? The cost of gas and unemployment would look a whole lot different now if they would have agreed to the Keystone pipeline opportunity.
“Actually, he wants to lower taxes for everybody.”
Integrity, he has not shown us his plan for tax cuts. Nobody knows what he plans to do, as evidenced by his speech in Ohio yesterday. He won’t say at what income level tax cuts would begin or what deductions &/or exemptions he will be getting rid of.
You just have faith that he will “lower taxes for everybody”. That’s hardly possible given the amount of debt we’re in. That’s pie-in-the-sky talk. And you shouldn’t promote it in your zeal to have him elected because it will just make people mad when, after 4 years in office, they’re taxes are not lower.
Libby, We KNOW he won’t repeal the Bush tax cuts that Obama and the Dem’s want to do. The repealing will be equal to a tax increase. And don’t give me it is only on the rich. Small business owners making over $250K a year are not rich because they are pouring that money back into their business to help it survive.
You said “That’s hardly possible given the amount of debt we’re in.” At least you admit we are in severe debt. Obama is “promising” to grow the economy by giving the middle and lower class more money. Talk about pie-in-the-sky talk. Where is he going to get that money, especially if there are no jobs. He wants to take money away from the small business owner because their rich, which is going to prevent them from growing and hiring.
Use some common sense.
We have become the joke of the world. Our citizens get murdered and Com in Chief send Billary on tv to appoligize to the murders.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha:
It doesn’t seem so long ago that Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan gushed all over each other and patted themselves on the back for all of the budget cutting and deregulation they had in the works. Now, according to Politico’s chief political columnist, Roger Simon, the thrill is gone.
Though Ryan had already decided to distance himself from the floundering Romney campaign, he now feels totally uninhibited. Reportedly, he has been marching around his campaign bus, saying things like, “If Stench calls, take a message” and “Tell Stench I’m having finger sandwiches with Peggy Noonan and will text him later.”
Even before the stench article appeared, there was a strong sign that Ryan was freeing himself from the grips of the Romney campaign. It began after his disastrous appearance on Friday before AARP in New Orleans. Ryan delivered his remarks in the style dictated by his Romney handlers: Stand behind the lectern, read the speech as written and don’t stray from the script.
Ryan brought his 78-year-old mother with him and introduced her to the audience, which is usually a sure crowd pleaser.
But when Ryan began talking about repealing “Obamacare” because he said it would harm seniors, one woman in the crowd shouted, “Lie!” Another shouted “Liar!” and the crowd booed Ryan lustily.
Who boos a guy in front of his 78-year-old mother? Other 78-year-old mothers.
That was Friday, and that was the end of Ryan following the game plan.
Sound familiar?
Well, it should. Sarah “I Can See Russia From My House” Palin, decided to “go rogue” after it became apparent that GOP presidential hopeful John McCain was going to lose — badly — to President Barack Obama.
This time around, it’s gotten so bad, the hashtag #MoviesWithTheStench is trending on Twitter.
Note to Mitt: If this is true, it looks like your number 2 has jumped ship. You’re in this one alone.
“Well, it should. Sarah “I Can See Russia From My House” Palin, decided to “go rogue” after it became apparent that GOP presidential hopeful John McCain was going to lose — badly — to President Barack Obama.” With the help of Acorn who had a guy who voted for Obama 56 times. If someone whould have said the same about of McCain you democrats whould have screamed bloody murder. You don’t see Acorn around any more; do you? Thank goodnes for that. Obama got in becuase of illegal votes, a media who thought he was the Messiah, who was a smooth talker and hoodwinked a lot of stupid people with all his now broken promisses. Any one who votes for this man is delusional.
Always, delusional is putting it mildly. The posts put out by Planet are downright stupid and he is in full attack mode since his leaders have nothing to offer the country but more of the same failed nonsense we have had to endure for the last 4 years. What are we down to, 42 days and we can free ourselves from the shackles of tyranny?
Let’s not talk about illegal votes, Amazed, lest we go back to the Gore/Bush and Kerry/Bush elections. Both rigged by the Republicans.
OMG..you are so delusional. What a pity.
OMG you are so out-of-touch.
Hey Libby, the Republicans were not the ones out using Acorn to register Mickey Mouse, Goofy, Daffy Duck to vote in the last election. They didn’t pull the Al Franken in Minnesota when mysterious ballot boxes showed up in a car trunk at the last minute to be counted. They didn’t have the voter fraud in Mississippi by the NAACP official who was convicted of voting 11 times using at least 4 dead peoples identity. Another Democrat in Arkansas was convicted of doing the same thing. Everytime the vote in Florida was counted, Gore fell further behind. Don’t give me any of that crap about Republicans rigging elections. Your esteemed former President LBJ rigged his election to Congress by having dead people vote for him. Democrats are the kings of voter fraud and we had better keep a close eye on them this year or they will try to steal this one as well.
Its the way here in Chicago! Dead people voting. Dogs voting.
Thank you Sean Hannity! I mean, Always Amazed. I mean, Always Amazed by Sean Hannity’s BS.
I don’t even watch Hannity Captin. So there. Bore ooops I mean Gore didn’t have a chance Libby. So don’t even go there. Rigged my a**!
We won the popular vote you moron. The only reason he lost was some “hanging chads” in the good, ole state of Florida where – Oh! Here’s a surprise – his brother was Governor. Not rigged, my ass!
HE won the popular vote.
Here is a scoop for you Planet to chew on! The Rasmussen Poll has Romney ahead by two points. They have been proven right in predicting results more than all the other polls and their poll is number one for accuracy. The other liberal leaning polls drug up the rear of the pack from 15th to 20th place. Reuters, Gallup, Wall Street/NBC, Politico, Washington Post are all out in “left” field and often poll 15-20% more Democratic voters than Republicans and they still can’t get Obama ahead by more than a few points. This sounds to me like there are many Democratic voters have changed their mind about your annointed leader.
Maybe they should wait to take the Polls until after people get off work instead of just polling them bums riding the system.
Sorry, Agent, CT Agent, FFA, Always Amazed, Sargeant Major, and Integrity Matters. Your guys are self-destructing by the minute. I don’t think we’ll be see your faces smiling come November. But mine will be!
We shall see what we shall see. Is unemployment still up over 8%? Gee, I thought Mr Obama was going to fix that for us? What happened, Libby & Planet? Obama is in over his head and you both know it. Hillary would have been SO much better because, guess what, SHE HAD THE EXPERIENCE TO RUN A COUNTRY. Not some committee planner from Chicago which is where I am from. Let’s see we have what 4 Governers in jail now. Gee, there a good track record. And speaking of track record – where’s Obamas? Lets see, he promissed if elected he would cut the deficit in half. BWAHAHAHA!! What a joke! You guys got stars in your eyes listening to his speeches and now you have egg on your face and your still trying to save face. I didn’t believe him for once second because I saw the fraud Obama was. I live in Chicago.
At leaste I will know if I should close shop and stick my hand out.
Lost more commericla busines in the past few week. Unemployment rate went up in my neck of the woods because of this BS.
FFA, As an ardent golfer and golf fan, I was watching Golf Channel on the Ryder Cup that is being held at Medinah this week in Chicago. Yesterday was a practice day and the broadcaster commented there were 30,000 fans out there on a Wednesday watching the teams practice. They said, wow, doesn’t anyone work in Chicago for that many people to be out there? If a lot of them are on the government dole, I guess they have a lot of free time on their hands. They might as well go see some of the 1%er millionaire golfers practice.
There are a lot of people hanging around. Some of them are staying local to me. The Sect upstairs told me she was going to hang out at the hotel – try and shang a rich one. Living the American Dream – looking for a sugar daddy!
Try that Libby.
I don’t need a sugar daddy, FFA. I’m perfectly capable of taking care of myself. What’s with all the venom against me all of a sudden? Did I piss in your wheaties or something?
Not venom Libby. I am encouraging my daughter to do the same. Some of the names I am hearing staying in town could very well support her and her three kids and get them off the tax roll. Some of the very people you bash are here.
I am tired of the piece of crap fathers not paying their kids way. I have put a roof over the three of thems heads with out so much as a Thank You. Then she want me to let her and her piece of trash boy friend go to my place by the lake. Daughetr” When can i bting bum #2 up there” Answer – “When he gets a job and pays for his own place.” My wife did not even like that answer. But tough sh*&. That lazy piece of crap needs to get off his ass. So does my daughter. Both of them – “Why bother when we get more money on food stamps and unemployment”. Daughter” My car is broken, can I use yours?” No Walk!
Don’t blame the government for the way your daughter is. They did not create the problem. The fact that she has 3 kids and no husband/father for them should be enough for you to be for government sponsored birth control. And the healthcare you need and can’t afford. I don’t understand your philosophy.
I was born and raised to take care of myself. I have never been fired from a Job. I have never been on unemployment. Since I was 14 years old, I have held a total of 6 Jobs. I will be 50 in a few days. Never in my life have I asked the Govt for help. My dad floated me in a down time and everything was paid back in 60 days. I worked my ass off to avoid hand outs.
Thats a problem these days – people just sticking their hands out and OfnBama filling it. Makes me sick my daughter is on food stamps, public aid ect… She didnt learn a damn thing growing up. And now, I am raising three more kids with no help from anyone but me. I am the only one working a full time job supporting 7 people. And this bum in the White House just keeps giving her incentive to sit home on her ass with her hand out. If it wernt for my grand kids, she would have been out on her ass a long long time ago.
Yes I am self destructing because more and more companies that employ people in my home town are shutting down. I am at the decision point to put another employee on the unemployment line due to recent activity. I have a Manufacturing plant about 40 miles up the road closing its doors and moving to GTenn. 75 more people hitting the unemployment line. Been there for over 50 years. Quinn (a dumerthencrap) has forced this hand.
FFA, I can’t imagine how depressing it must be for a businessman in Illinois in the most corrupt state in the union that is taxing businesses to death and running them off. I was lucky to land in Texas which is a conservative state with no state income tax and a much friendlier business environment including actual Tort Reform. Texas has attracted a lot of doctors since it went through, many of which moved down here from the Blue States to get away from the Trial Lawyers and unlimited malpractice suits. Things are still tough because of the overall economy and what the Fed is doing, but it is paradise compared to up north.
You got that right agent. Seems like anything I gain just goes to cover another dumerthencrap decision.
Wow…do you need to go change your pants after that rant?
…Wow…do you need to go change your pants after that rant?”….this was supposed to be in reply to Captain thinks he knows it all…I mean Captain Planet, but it posted under yours, Always Amazed…sorry ’bout that..
I would, but I am out of pants. Just falls on deaf ears. Heard it enough “Why should I get a job when I make more sitting at home?”
That I blame on OBama – filling her hand every time she sticks it out.
Wow…do you need to go change your pants after that rant?
well..wtf?!!? Why won’t this post under Planet Airheads post? Oh well. I think he’ll see it anyway..
Obviously Captain Planet, you’ve been watching MSNBC too much, because that was the most anti-Republican comment I’ve ever seen on a professional forum. Opinions are ok, but try not to regurgitate what the media puts out, because it’s usually wrong. :(
Do you have an equivalent “Canadian” version of this publication?
Thanks
WRS
Comrade, I am a half full glass kind of guy. I prefer to believe that most of the people on Insurance journal are informed, pay taxes and understand issues. That is far better than 98% of the Obama supporters. If you don’t believe me go to you tube and listen to Howard Stern’s Obama supporter interviews. If it were not so true it would be funny.
Go to Howard Stern? Really? Yeah, there’s a voice I go to for anything intelligent. The guy who supposedly gave a girl the big “o” by having her sit on a speaker while he talked to her on the radio. He has a friend he calls Turd and holds little penis contests in his studio.
Sgt. Major, you’ve never answered me this – is President Obama a US citizen?
Don’t worry about the 98% of Obama supporters. Worry about the 47% of US citizens Romney humiliated and the 60-some-odd percent that won’t be voting for “The Stench”. Love that name! It’s one thing I agree with Paul Ryan about.
I was in a CE Seminar all day today. The instructor refrenced this Howard Stern thing.
Shows how ignorant some people really are.
Libby, I don’t know who is going to win. You may be happy in November. That does not change your ignorance. Then let’s see how much better off you are when Barry’s reign is over.
I’m better off with President Obama’s first 4 years than the previous administration’s final 4. I’ll answer that question, Mitt. Bring it on! My ballot arrives tomorrow. I guess I’ll just volunteer on Election Day instead. That way, I can get some people to the polls the Romney/Ryan campaign is trying to suppress.
Oh so you must be on the govt rolls too! Did you get your “Would you like food stamps?” letter?
More spin from the media in today’s (9/27/12) USA Today. Front page article headline “Red states’ income swells” (Swells…what a laugh). The article explains that this is because it is adjusted for inflation AND “the big drivers are energy and GOVT BENEFIT PAYMENTS AND FOOD STAMPS” (3rd paragraph). They are adding the govt benefit (welfare/unemployment) and food stamps that people received to the income levels. This article is clearly put out there to combat the real story that came out last week that the median income levels went down. HMMM…do you think the White House fed this information to te USA Today?
So, Captain, it seems that there are many people doing better since the govt is funding it. How long can we sustain that??!!??
Ms Botox face Pelosi actually made the statement that unemployment checks are a stimulus to the economy. I certainly never read that in any of the Economics books I studied in college. Real jobs in the private sector is what would really stimulate the economy. How about creating some taxpayers rather than leaches for a change?
I agree. Create taxpayers instead of taxreceivers.
Captain, Those are real interviews no matter who asks the questions. Fact of the matter is 47% of the population does not pay federal income tax so what did he say that was not truthful? Lastly, if you don’t know whether or not he is a citizen you are dumber than I thought
Still can’t answer the question, can you? Just say it, are you a birther or not?
Who cares, you figure it out or can’t you read?
Sargent, Did you notice that the Progressive bloggers like Libby and Planet are getting real desperate just like the President’s campaign. They have absolutely nothing to run on so they resort to doing baseless and personal attacks on Romney & Ryan. It must be a huge shock to them that absolutely nothing their guy has done in almost 4 years has turned out for the good of the country. These people have to be hugely dissapointed that Progressive Socialism and Keynsian tax and spend philosophy has not magically done the trick to revive the country. Rather than admit their mistakes in judgment, they blame someone else for their failings. Not to worry, the remedy is only 42 days away.
Agent, Yes I have noticed and surely Libby would not make a broad sweeping racial profile comment about all Republicans being white males etc. So libby how can you tell?
That is their typical attack, even at the top. They pound on Romney for issues but turn right around and give Barry a pass on everything. For example Romney is critical of the embassy killings, Barry, he gets a pass for having poor security in the first place and for telling everyone the mob was spontaneous. Sure the mob that was carrying RPG’s, AK 47s and heavy assaut weapons. But Barry gets a pass. Just like he got a pass on Acorn, Ayers and the Weather Underground (domestic terrorists), The sleazball who loarned him money to buy a house in Chicago etc.
For Libby, always seems to circle around to the Haves vs the Have Nots and race.
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Looking over these comments, it’s no wonder our country is headed over a fiscal cliff. Too bad the Republicans squandered this opportunity, now we are stuck with BHO for another 4 years. The very idea that BHO is leading Romney on economic issues in the polls is just as ridiculous as the idea that W. was a war hero while John Kerry was a coward in 2004.
You never know youngin’ – anything can happen. At least Acorn isn’t around any longer. Thank goodness for that. However, I wonder if the Black Panthers will once again be out there lobbying for Obama votes. That was a nice tough, Libby and Captin now wasn’t it?
Ok, everyone get back to work!!! This is going nowhere fast.
Thanks for the laugh Susan. Right you are.
ACORN, Black Panthers. I bet the name George Soros scares you, too, right? Give me a break! The only thing you should be scared about is the future direction of the Republican Party. Which is exactly why the conservatives out there are voting against someone rather than for someone.
Hey Captain, Why didn’t the democrat controlled congress pass a budget the first two years Obama was in office? Why didn’t Obama take steps to balance the budget in his first two years when he could ram anything throught the house? Bush may have caused the initial problem but Obama did nothing to make it better. In fact, he made it worse. Stop being a sheep and think for yourself. The facts are the facts. Not the half truth lies that your being fed.
Integrity, We haven’t had a budget in this man’s whole Presidency and the last one he proposed was voted down 100-0 by the Senate. The House has passed a budget each year only to have Prince Harry declare it was DOA. And people like Libby keep saying the Republicans are obstructionists. When we have a man in the Senate who does not allow debate or vote on any bill the House sends over, I think we know who the obstructionists really are.
Everyone is voting against someone. Sad comentary on our choices.
Hey FFA,
I believe we finally all agree on something. YEAAAH!!
Not exactly Ron, we also agree on freedom of choice and the best man for the job regardless of party.
You have not made your mind up yet. My mind was made up 4 years ago. If I could get by the Obama Care thing, I would not get past the the fact he is from Illinois.
Personally, I think the state of IL should be dispursed into the state of Wisconsin.
Not me. I’m voting FOR Romney because he HAS experience in being successful. The facts are that there are too many people brainwashed by the 30 second soundbites they here in the media and do not investigate for themselves.
Those of us that do, have to point out the lies that are being told which portrays us as being haters. I don’t hate Obama as a person…I don’t know him and he seems like a good family man. What I hate is how he lies and spins the truth. He tells you what he thinks the public wants to hear. Integrity does matter and I have not seen any from him. He’s sympathetic to terrorists under the guise of being diplomatic and fights our own people who are trying to uphold the laws. He encourages Reid and Pelosi to use Chicago style extortion measures to get what he wants or else dictates otherwise. I expect that if the truth ever really gets out, he will be known as the most corrupt president in history.
Are you okay with all that he has really done? I’m not. Romney appears to have more integrity at this point and he and Ryan know economics. I am choosing them and encouraging others to see the truth!
The facts are that Romney has flip flopped on too many issues to get an accurate idea of what kind of president he would be. The things he has said, the positions he has adopted in order to please the Republican establishment make me think he would just be a puppet to his masters.
Your conspiracy theories notwithstanding, Obama has failed to deliver on most of his campaign promises. Not only that but he has doubled down on Bush’s war on terror, grabbing even more executive power, perpetrating a war in Libya without an act of Congress, cracking down on whistleblowers, and ruthlessly hunting “terrorists” using drone strikes with tremendous loss of civilian life. And he gets a pass from the media.
I’m voting against BOTH of them.
Youngin, people voted for Obama when we knew he had no experience. Now we know who he is and what he really stands for…socialism. With Romney and Ryan, we at least know that they know economics and are for capitalism.
We cannot continue on the path of socialism. It does not work. Russia failed after how many years of communism. Greece, Spain, Italy were all “democratic” countries that instituted socialist policies and are bankrupt. We have to stop this for the sake of the country and whether you agree with all of Romneys positions or not, we know he will choose a path directly opposite of Obama.
If you add in Obama’s poor foreign policy and refusal to stop the bleeding on immigration issues, it only gets worse. If you don’t vote, you are stuck with what is given to you. Ron Paul will not get elected as an independent or write in. If you support him, I applaud your desire to vote your conscience. The reality is, it is not going to happen (Paul getting elected) and you have to ask yourself “Am I okay with knowing that I and the country will be worse off if Obama gets re-elected?” That is the sad truth. All of Obama’s policies and inexperience point directly to a worse economic situation because the cost of Obamacare has not even kicked in.
“Perpetrating a war with Libya”? What the hell are you talking about?
The problem with your “lesser of two evils” argument is that it is self-fulfilling. Neither of the two candidates for president really represents the majority of the country, but the majority of the country still accepts the false premise that they have only two choices.
What happens when both choices are too evil to vote for? Would you maintain your position if the two choices were Hitler and Stalin? (Which reminds me, Communism and Socialism are NOT the same thing, but that’s a different thread.)
The truth is, the country as a whole will be worse off under BOTH Romney and Obama. The only difference will be who is less worse off and who is more worse off. Romney is running on a nebulous economic platform which is all crap Republican dogma and no substance. The Republican party of today has lost all credibility when it comes to reducing the size of government.
Anyway, I was thinking of writing in Ron Paul but I may just go with Gary Johnson; at least he’s actually running.
Excuse me, Libby, that was poorly worded. I mean carrying out an air assault on the government of Libya. It’s not war unless Congress says so. My mistake.
Integrity, You are right that at least Romney & Ryan both know Economics. Ryan has a degree in the subject. They both know that Socialism/Marxism has not worked for any country that has tried it in history. It is a philosophy of failure. There is no incentive for people to get ahead, because the government confiscates most of the income or production. People that live under this system stand in line for bread and toilet paper. That is the reason the Soviet Union finally collapsed after their 80 year experiment. They could not compete with America economically or militarily. Reagan basically handed them their head without firing a shot. This current President thinks he can rule by executive fiat and has thrown the American People under the bus. We will not stand for that and as Clint Eastwood put it, if you don’t do the job for the American People, sorry, but we have to let you go.
Wow, youngin, comparing Romney and Obama to Hitler and Stalin. Really. What has Romney done so bad that he deserves that comparison?
Also, to Libby, visit the Romney 2012 site to see his 5 point plan for improving the middle class, the economy and bringing back the respect our country deserves. Where are the details to Obama’s magical plan?
Yes, youngin, I agree that socialism and communism are different, except the commonality that the govt controls virtually everything and thinks it knows better on what the people want or need. I being very general but I hope you get the point.
His five point plan? That’s a bunch of non-specific drivel, with general statements like “Give every family access to a great school and quality teachers.” He doesn’t give SPECIFICS. So it’s drivel.
Besides, that’s not what he told Ohio yesterday:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/26/romney-ohio-taxes_n_1915949.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57520717-503544/romney-on-federal-debt-dont-expect-huge-tax-cuts/
Integrity, I was not comparing Obama and Romney to Hitler and Stalin, I was using Hitler and Stalin to point out the (IMO) fallacy of “lesser of two evils” thinking, that it is self-fulfilling and only true because people believe it to be true. The Dems and Republicans don’t represent the majority of this country, so why should we force ourselves to choose between them?
I honestly don’t understand why the Libertarian party isn’t gaining more traction. I know I’m not the only person who wants real fiscal conservatism and doesn’t know where to find it. Neither party fits the bill.
I have to believe that people who support Republicans either don’t actually want a smaller government or are simply in denial about the Republican record. Or they are boomers who simply don’t care if they bankrupt the country as long as you don’t touch THEIR hard-earned bennies.
I won’t pretend to understand people who support Democrats.
Libby, those are two real good sources you cited. You’ve made my point on two topics that I have been discussing in these posts.
1. The spin factor, and 2. Truth
Here is what Romney said per the CBS site:
In explaining his tax plan today, Romney told the crowd he would simplify the tax code, but that they should not expect large tax cuts.
“Our individual income taxes are ones I want to reform, make them simpler. I want to bring the rates down,” he said. “By the way, don’t be expecting a huge cut in taxes because I’m also going to lower deductions and exemptions. But by bringing rates down, we’ll be able to let small businesses keep more of their money so they can hire more people.”
He did not say he was raising taxes, he said he was going to change the tax code to make it simpler. The rate will go down but deductions and exemptions will be reduced. At worst, it will be revenue neutral. The purpose is to allow small business owners to keep more of their own money. CBS and Huffington spun it the other way. Thaty’s the first item.
The second is that Romney is telling the TRUTH. He is not trying to raise expectations that can’t happen. He has integrity, and it matters!
Where’s his plan, Integrity? I haven’t seen it. I’ve only heard broad statements about “simplifying the tax code”, “getting rid of deductions and exemptions”, “lowering taxes for the middle class”. He can’t even tell us if the middle class is under $100,000 or under $200-$250,000. Talk about fuzzy math. His entire plan is fuzzy. But I guess you blindly trust him to fill in the details later. Sure hope you don’t buy a house or a car like that. It’s anything but economically or fiscally sound.
If I am following him blindly, what are you doing? Following your leader off the fiscal cliff with your eyes open?
It was okay for you to blindly follow the promiser of Hope and Change 4 years ago. How is that working out? At least I know my candidate actually has experience in being successful economically.
Also, where are the details of Obamas plan? They all offer general platitudes. Obama’s math definitely will not work. At least with Romney, we have a chance.
I do not carry any grudge against people that have been successfull. People that live the American Dream and become all they could be should be learned from and admired, not begrudged. I am jelous, yes indeed. I want some of him money. I dont want him to hand it to me. Maybe buy an Annuity? Life Insurance? Hell, just give me one of his car policys. I am ready willing and able to work for it.
Truth is tough to ignore.
I can agree to dis agree. I probably wont like each other but stand true to my belief Obama carehas to go. Govt intrusion into private business is a direct conflict of what the USA stands for. Getting time for another TEA party in Boston.
Hi to your all in the USA, We, in Australia, have the same situation, no Private Health Insurance, dependent on your Annual Income, then there is a Tax situation based on your Annual Salary. However, most Australians have and already have had Private Health Insurance, however the rebates we receive, based on promises, from ALL HEALTH INSURERS IN AUSTRALIA is based on what the Government in office have stated, however, for e.g. If you receive a Specialist Account for $600.00 and Medicare pay $30.00 for Dr’s visit, then you submit to your Private Health Fund. who pay 150.00, because that is what the Government has determined is fair and reasonable, but the AMA (representing the Medical profession believe?? it should be more. However, here in Ausland, no recourse
Thanks for that. We know what to look forward to. Higher cost based on what some gov official thinks.
I’m in the health insurance industry, a general agent with about 20 agents under me, and I deal with low income, non-major medical group plans… Theirs a lot of turmoil in the field, because some bad apples will lie or do something unethical like take a client out of a good affordable major med policy for one of these (Not a Discount Plan)…. I have people call me (I handle the compliance and cust service, basically complaints, helping the clients use the insurance, etc) pissed that they don’t have major med (Our policies cover the same things just not at the same level or percentage) and were told by there Dr. or a STATE insurance official they should have major med not this…. Its SO SO easy to say that when you have federal or state benefits and make a good living, when I’m working with Susan in Wisconsin a single mother of 4, and needs insurance for everybody for about $150, SHE CAN’T AFFORD anything else and because she can afford that, it means she probably doesn’t qualify for medicaid, so my point is it’s so easy to tell someone oh not that, this without knowing their medical history, pre-x conditions, budget, height to weight ratio….. They make it like were criminals and granted some of are in this field (At least based on how they , but theirs also people that need this…. If they reprice the medical claim by say…. 62% plus $500 for every day in the hospital, that’s better than a discount plan or NO coverage, but it happens all the time, most people don’t realize how expensive insurance is as an individual, and the strict underwriting that takes a lot of time, So again easy to say hey lady that agent is a crook his insurance isn’t as comprehensive as Major Med, what the client doesn’t get or apparently our state insurance commisioners don’t under stand is if that client can only afford $200/mo or $300/mo and just had a stroke and bypass surgery over the past 3ish years, plus High BP,High Cholesterol…. Its so easy to say without knowing the facts its like me telling everyone that views this they should have a Bentley.
I am also an agent, but luckily I am 90+% P & C and am thankful for that. I don’t envy any agent who is heavily invested in Health Insurance whether it be Individual or Group. I have a fellow agent friend whose agency is more than 60% volume in Health and he is very worried about his future due to what is going on and the fear of what this bill will do to him and his livlihood. Companies are reducing commission, raising rates, have to comply with the MLR and eventually agents will not be able to make a living at Health Insurance if this bill stands. Personally, I think the system will degenerate into an online app on exchanges and all there will be are non-insurance geeks processing the apps and the customers will not even know what they are buying. When the companies take a bath on PreX claims, they will just get a subsidy from HHS to stay in business. Just my opinion.
Integrity – want independent thinkers? Well, that’s me and most everyone I know (family and friends). All registered Independent. I’ve voted Republican even in the last election. At any rate, of the Inds I know, 1 is voting for Romney. His success comes by, at least in some part, by ruining the lives of the workforce Bain took over. The rest of it comes from Daddy for the most part. Though, he’s passing that onto his kids. If you need a list of what Obama has accomplished, here are just several:
Decreased unemployment rate from 10% to slightly above 8%.
-Passed healthcare reform.
-Equality for women – Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act
-Established Equal Pay Task Force
-Overturned Don’t Ask Don’t Tell
-Eliminated more Al Qaeda leadership in last 3 years than any other time since 9/11.
Ended War in Iraq
-Passed new Fuel Efficiency Standards
-Less dependent on foreign oil than any other time in last 20 yrs
-Produced more natural gas than any other time and this has supported over 250,000 jobs
-4.6 million private sector jobs created
-Cut taxes for small businesses 18 times
-Supported more than 150,000 loans for small businesses
I could keep going, but my fingers are getting tired and I have a meeting in 5 minutes. GObama!
Captain, you need to drink a little less Kool Aid. Let’s revisit those accomplishments:
Decreased unemployment rate from 10% to slightly above 8%. (This was AFTER unemployment rose passed 8% that the wonderful stimulus was suppose to prevent. Was he giving lip service or was he to inexperienced to know the depth of the problem?)
-Passed healthcare reform. (After bribing the senators, offering exemptions and making promises that he later reneged on)
-Equality for women – Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act (I’ll give him this one)
-Established Equal Pay Task Force (What does this really do? He backs the unions that force prevailing wage laws that drive up costs and reduces opportunity for smaller, non-union businesses to compete)
-Overturned Don’t Ask Don’t Tell (I’m neutral on this topic)
-Eliminated more Al Qaeda leadership in last 3 years than any other time since 9/11. (Yeah, but what president would not have done the same thing…oh yeah, Clinton chose not to take out OBL when he had the chance)
Ended War in Iraq (Ummm… he brought most of the troops home, the war was already over, unless you mean the violence that was taking place…and still taking place.)
-Passed new Fuel Efficiency Standards (Which means higher expenses for the auto makers, which means higher costs of cars that the middle class has to pay for…not a help economically)
-Less dependent on foreign oil than any other time in last 20 yrs (He says that, but how is it proven? Oil Prices are still more than twice the cost than when he took office, he is shutting down the coal industry causing more unemployment. This is just rhetoric)
-Produced more natural gas than any other time and this has supported over 250,000 jobs (He has not done this, in fact, the EPA is making it more difficult. How has he “supported > 250K jobs? Details please)
-4.6 million private sector jobs created (Again, fuzzy math. The unemployment rate that is published is based on those collecting unemployment. It does not count those no longer eligible and still unemployed)
-Cut taxes for small businesses 18 times (Seriously?? If this was true, why are small businesses still going out of business. What about the big healthcare tax that they are going to have to pay?)
-Supported more than 150,000 loans for small businesses (Supported???what does that mean? who wouldn’t support giving loans to small businesses)
The bottom line Captain, is that you are believing the partial truths that are being told to and accepting the lip service as truth and fact. There is very little substance to what has really transpired. The cost of Obamacare has not even kicked in yet and the cost projections by the non-partisan CBO have more than quadrupled since originally estimated.
Good analysis Integrity. Let’s not forget that he saved the Auto Industry by giving GM to the unions and now their stock is in the tank and they are building 7 out of every 10 GM cars in China and trying to build a $40,000 Volt that no one wants when it costs them $90,000 to build it. Thank you Mr. Outsourcer in Chief. GM is sure roaring back to life, right?
Amen!
I won’t give him Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act.
This act only give way to lawsuits, and allowed for you to sue a company, even if the owner who did the discrimination left.
More in line with the point, let’s say a man is hired at $45,000 a year in 2007. In 2011 a woman is hired at $30,000 with the same requirements. The firm has less capital available to hire, they have to pay less. But they know if they hire someone at a lower wage, that woman, she will sue.
These laws result in companies hiring exactly equal for people who on “paper” look better but may not be at all. I’m an agent, and on paper I don’t look that great.
I hired the right people in my agency, who now bring in great revenues. If I said I managed people on my resume, a woman could make the exact same resume. Sometimes, the business owner just has to make a judgement. And these laws allow for a lawsuit in crazy circumstances.
The pay gap is explained mainly through the following areas:
Men are more willing to re-locate
Men work more on pay, women on hours and schedules and holiday. This is shown in the fact that the pay gap exists even with independant business owners who are women, and self employed.
They are not equal jobs and equal benefits. There is no such comparison. Study after study shows women will not choose a higher paying job which has higher stress, requires relocation, or has less holiday when compared to a male. This is where most of the pay gap exists.
Bob, your sexism is showing again. You should just zip it when it comes to women.
At least is not Class Warefare and Racisim – pulling crap off the top of his head.
Libby:
I’m quoting an MSNBC study. It is not sexism, if it’s true. Though I misplaced the MSNBC study, you should read the guy who started talking about it, he is referenced here:
http://attackthesystem.com/2012/08/17/the-gender-pay-gap-is-a-complete-myth/
Further I’m not doing this ignorant sexism crap again.
Every, single, thing, I put in that last post about what men deal with, they do.
We have a draft. You don’t.
You get the children most the time.
You have preferential treatment, and can choose to get rid of your child when your not ready, and by default get to choose when we are ready.
You get breast cancer prevention and treatment in the healthcare bill. We don’t get prostate cancer treatment, equal kill rate, equal incident rate.
You get more medicare dollars.
You live longer, from what society gives you, less stress, more health care, more benefits. Women do not get less.
All, those, comments, are, true. Got it? It’s not sexist. You made a sexist comment about how you were a smart woman who didn’t take shit from men, I explained how society gives more to women.
Bob, you make some excellent points. They are not sexist and they are reality. I have a friend whose wife left him, would not give him a divorce, got pregnant from some other guy, and forced my friend to pay the medical bills because they were technically still married. Oh yeah, the courts allowed her to keep my friends two biological kids and forces him to pay alimony.
I’ll admit that there are situations that still exist about unfair or inequal pay to women and need addressing, but there are definitely unfair laws towards men that need the same attention.
Integrity:
Indeed. I didn’t mean to bring up the gender battle here. Me and Libby debated on it before. She is calling me sexist because of those comments so I defended them.
In context, she said that she was a smart woman who wouldnt deal with men’s shit.
I basically told her, that contrary to her beliefs on how women need more from soceity and that there is a war on women, they have it better than men. Yet we do not declare that there is a war on men. I told her that feminists are out of line.
She keeps using it as a reason to call me sexist, though it has nothing to do with any comments here.
I WISH we had an unemployment rate of close to 8% here in NC. The economy was booming here until 2009. Besides the REAL unemployment rate is much higher than published, since so many people have given up looking. I have a friend who was laid off in 2010, took another job 9 months later, and was laid off again! He’s certainly not lazy, he was a successful underwriter, but he’s now 62 so he figures it’s too late for him.
why would anyone dislike this post sine it’s true?
Its the bloggers keeping real numbers quiet.
James, I hear that Romney has pulled ahead in the polls in NC. Don’t you have a liberal female governor there? I seem to think I saw her dismay when the voters turned down the same sex marriage issue in that state. I also wonder if the Demwits paid off Charlotte for their convention expenses. They were having big money troubles funding it and had to cancel a good part of their extravaganza. What is your take on it?
We sure do, and she’s so unpopular she’s not running for re-election. Romney will take NC. As for the DNC, I really haven’t read enough about it. I’m the Raleigh area, so we tend to ignore Charlotte, haha.
I hear that Obama has stopped trying in NC and is directing his resources elsewhere to try to stem the tide against him. It looks like a sweep from Florida all the way up through Virginia for Romney. The politics of personal destruction doesn’t seem to be working for the Obama campaign and they are sinking to new lows every day. They are also brain challenged. Saw a tape where Obama was speaking in Colorado and said he wanted windmills built in China. Oops! Biden was in Ohio talking about ads in Iowa. He doesn’t even know what state he was in. Joe being Joe, right?
Youngin’ – I’ve been wanting a legitimate 3rd party for a LOOOOOOONG time. It’s a shame we don’t have one yet. But, this right wing has strayed so far from what used to be the Republican Party, it’s almost a joke. I can’t vote for a party that thinks women can block pregnancy with Jedi Mind Tricks or gay marriage somehow impacts what goes on in their households. I’m also sick of the money trickling up and staying there. The horse and sparrow philosophy that was implemented has left so little for the sparrow 30+ years later, the sparrow is having to work 3 jobs an neglect its little baby sparrows. Not exactly the American Dream. Trickle down has turned into an American Nightmare and a good majority of us are waking up in the middle of the night with tremors. OK, now I’m off to my meeting.
Planet, I think you are getting high on the new iphone app which is causing trouble since it apparently is scrambling brains. Sending electronic waves through the brain is a dangerous thing to do. It causes people to think like a Progressive.
Perhaps there needs to be another revolution Planet to get a legitimate party who will not cater to special interests or espouse a Progressive platform and truly represent the people that elect them. The Democrats can truly be called the Progressive Socialist party similar to what they have in Europe. The Republicans have strayed for years from the party of Lincoln and have gone along to get along through bi-partisan reaching across the aisle bad legislation that has us in such a mess. I am not a fan of RINO’s, but I would vote for my local dog catcher before voting for more of what we have seen for the past 4 years.
I wish the Republican party was MORE conservative, not less. If you want to blame Bush, go ahead, he vastly increased spending (with a new entitlement program and Keynesian economics)! I voted libertarian last time, but now I feel like I don’t have the option. Go Romney!
No new iPhone app here and just thinking like an American. A proud one at that. Agent, this country is great. We can have different opinions. Then, we vote. The problem with that is, at least currently, the pendulum swings one direction, then swings back, then swings even further in the opposite direction, then swings back even further, and so on. Nothing gets done that way. Well, unless you’re President Obama. Then you get things done (see brief list above in spite of Republican opposition).
Captain Planet, I thought you were already a member of a third political party. I thought you were campaigning for the communist party but could not find a candidate so you were going to vote for the socialist in office now. The only other party you might try are the National Socialists otherwise known as the Nazi party or maybe the black panthers, I hear they are looking for member/candidates.
Hey, One more, Try the Weather Underground they were domestic terrorists in the 60’s that blew up government buildings. The guy who ran it is a good friend of Barry Obama’s and supports him.
Godwin’s Law, hey Sgt. Major?
Godwin’s law (also known as Godwin’s Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin’s Law of Nazi Analogies) is an argument made by Mike Godwin in 1990 that has become an Internet adage. It states: “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches.” In other words, Godwin observed that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably makes a comparison to Hitler and the Nazis.
Godwin’s law is often cited in online discussions as a deterrent against the use of arguments in the widespread Reductio ad Hitlerum form. The Reductio ad Hitlerum attempts to refute a view because it has been held by Hitler. The rule does not make any statement about whether any particular reference or comparison to Adolf Hitler or the Nazis might be appropriate, but only asserts that the likelihood of such a reference or comparison arising increases as the discussion progresses, irrespective of whether it is appropriate or not. Precisely because such a comparison or reference may sometimes be appropriate, Godwin has argued that overuse of Nazi and Hitler comparisons should be avoided, because it robs the valid comparisons of their impact.
Although in one of its early forms Godwin’s law referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions, the law is now often applied to any threaded online discussion, such as forums, chat rooms and blog comment threads, and has been invoked for the inappropriate use of Nazi analogies in articles or speeches.
Sargent, sorry about the Tigers last night. I have not seen Verlander roughed up like that before. Perhaps he was rusty with all the time off. It is a good thing there are 6 more to go to get their act together.
He Libby, how about it? Do you normally racial profile people and make broad sweeping comments about their race, gender and so forth?
Nothing racial about it Sarge. Just the truth. You won’t see many lower-income, black, females that are Republican. That’s not racial either. Just the truth.
I am anything but racist. Not sure I can say the same for you after some of the remarks you have made on this blog.
Libby HaHaHaHa,you sound just like Barry Soetoro Obama about your racial comment. You deny you are a racist and blame it on someone else. Just like Barry. If he screws something up (which he does daily) he denies he is a screw up and blames it on Bush. You said what you said and you believe it. You think all Republicans are middle aged white males and there could not possibly be any black or hispanic or asian republicans. So I live in Detroit. Am I black or white?
I said the majority, not all. Don’t twist my words Sarge. I do think the majority are white, middle-class, males. Doesn’t make me racist or sexist. Just the demographics, baby.
Sargent, Progressive like to play all the race cards, gender cards and class warfare cards just like their guy does. I guess I have a bias since I don’t want to pay for Sandra Flukes birth control. This perpetual 31 year old radical student who apparently is so promiscuous, she needs a big supply of birth control pills which are readily available to all women inexpensively, but she wants us the taxpayers to foot the bill. I hope she never brings a baby into the world and there probably is little chance since she would abort it anyway and also wants us to pay for that as well.
Agent, htat’s disgusting. You sound worse than Rush Limbaugh. I guess in your eyes I, too, am a slut and prositute because I support birth control for women. It has nothing to do with promiscuity and everything about unwanted teen pregnancies you Neanderthal. We wouldn’t even have to have a debate about abortion if birth control were easily and cheaply available for women.
That was a horrible thing to say. Shame on you.
You see, Libby, those that don’t understand birth control think you need to pop one every time before you have sex. Hence, so much promiscuity she needs the gov to buy it. Note to the ignorant, there are the same amount of pills each month no matter how many times you do or don’t have sex. It’s not a condom.
Sandra Fluke was there on behalf of a friend, by the way. Get your facts straight before you intimate someone is “promiscuous”. And, who cares if she is? What are you, God?
Women take it for a miriad of reasons. My wife was actually put on it so she could start ovulating so we could be blessed with our now 3 year old daughter. It regulates cycles, it helps with menstral cramping, it helps with acne, and yes, it can prevent unwanted pregnancies. How dare women try to control their uterus! That’s what Republican men are for. They can decide when women should take up the spatula and rear the kids.
I have no problem with woman taking birth control. For some, it is a medical necessity.
I have a problem with making the tax payers, pay for it. It is readily available and not expensive.
I guess you would rather pay for the medical costs of the pregnancy,well-baby care, and the child and also the food stamps and, God forbid, welfare that a young mother with no education or future needs to support that unwanted baby? She can’t have birth control available, she can’t have an abortion, so she’s forced to raise a child she may not want and YOU DON’T THINK TAXPAYERS PAY FOR THAT??? $1,200 a year v. $50,000? I thought you were an economist. Do the math.
Integrity, we seemed to have stirred up a hornet’s nest with these Progressive fools that think everything should be provided to them by the government. Schools are now giving teenage girls the morning after pill to prevent them from getting pregnant. Our moral fabric is being torn apart by these fools. By the way Planet, do you expect the government, ie the taxpayer to pay for your wife’s pills or are you able to pay? If I were her, I would make sure to take them without fail.
Libby, I know i am going to get bombarded for this but, adult women and men should make there reproductive choices before they have sex. Accept the responsibility with the actions that take place. That’s the problem with society today, people want to blame others for their mistakes. They want to move on and forget about them.
And to your statement “I guess you would rather pay for the medical costs of the pregnancy,well-baby care, and the child and also the food stamps and, God forbid, welfare that a young mother with no education or future needs to support that unwanted baby?
Yes, I would rather pay for that than to kill an innocent unborn child. Better yet, I would rather spend the money on education about abstinence because that is the only thing that really works to prevent an unwanted pregnancy.
By the way, I challenge you to pick up any newspaper from any metropolitan area in this country and not find ads from people wanting to adopt newborns. If a mother truly did not want that baby, she could find a home for it in this country.
Integrity, teens are not adults. They don’t have the mental capacity to make those choices, but the hormones to, well, you know. And if I carry a child for 9 months and give birth to it, I may not want to give it up for adoption. That doesn’t mean I am equipped, mentally, emotionally, or financially, to take care of it. Hence, you create a society of uneducated folks on welfare that perpetuates itself. It’s a huge problem that could be addressed by a little birth control. We are all paying for it, why not cut the costs and improve the lives of our society. Something you Republicans “say” you want.
I would doubt more than 1 in 15 people believe what you just wrote.
If that’s what you believe of republicans you are a fool.
I am no fool, Bob. Of course the Republican, middle class, males on this site would not agree with me. They are morally superior to people like me. I feel sorry for you. You have to be a sad little man ready to “debate” anyone on facts and figures with no compassion or heart. I do pray for you every night.
Libby, As usual you missed my point that I don’t want to fund Sandra Flukes birth control pills or abortion with my tax dollars. She is free to go to Planned Parenthood as are all women to get their help. Birth Control pills are handed out like candy there and abortions are readily available and are inexpensive. I am not against her rights to do it, but do it one someone other than the public dime like it has been done for decades in this country.
Well, Agent, don’t complain about having to pay for healthcare, food, and shelter for all these unwanted babies that are coming into the world. They’re helpless children that deserve to be taken care of. Especially if people like you are going to deny paying for birth control, the mornong after pill, and are against abortions under any circumstances.
And CT Agent, if you were really a woman, you would have been outraged by Agent’s slur on women and birth control. I have a feeling you were being less than honest about that. But then again, I should have expected that.
I lived many years as an agent in CT and don’t remember any women talking the way you do.
You are right about one thing Libby. I am not in favor of murdering babies with partial birth abortion like you and your cohorts in crime are. I also said that I didn’t want my tax dollars going to it. There are plenty of childless couples out there that can adopt these unwanted children. Couples shouldn’t have to go to Russia or China to find a child since there are plenty here. Who has the compassion here for human life? A human life is nothing more to you than putting a cat or dog to sleep.
Libby:
“She can’t have birth control available, she can’t have an abortion, so she’s forced to raise a child she may not want and YOU DON’T THINK TAXPAYERS PAY FOR THAT??? $1,200 a year v. $50,000? I thought you were an economist. Do the math.”
I do love messing with you. First, I mislead you and agreed that welfare was a low cost, and you didn’t even debate that fact.
Here’s the link proving ME wrong:
http://blog.heritage.org/2012/04/20/welfare-tackling-the-fastest-growing-part-of-government-spending/
Second: You did say there was a $50,000 cost per mother, without taking into consideration the revenues brought in from the child/children. She may have a $50,000 debt, but her kids of 3 might have $50,000 of revenues. If even one kid is successful it offsets her costs.
It is free and cheap. Keep your legs crossed.
It’s free and cheaper. Keep your mouth shut.
Libby, Someone will always want a baby. I’ve tried to Adaopt. They would not let me. Too old they told me. I am able to feed and house another mouth, but no. I’m too old.
So, dont tell me there are unwanted babies out there. No baby is unwanted.
And it’s not horrible to say that the kid would be a $50,000 tax burden eh?
Further: The same ratios would work out for a non-aborted baby who would have been aborted, as a person who was not aborted.
This means: The debt on each living person does not go up by having a nother living person, because that person is not a deficit by default. You are making the assumption the child will cost the government more…For some random pesimistic reason *rolls eyes* and that will change the ratio right? There will be more losers if Mom’s don’t choose who lives and who dies. That sounds pretty dumb to me. You can’t judge something before you’ve even see it try.
Bob, again you’re missing the point because it’s not all about numbers and about people and their quality of life. If I’m 16 and have a baby, I will most likely drop out of school. I will have no education to get a decent job. My family will more than likely live in poverty on government assistance. I will not have the emotional or mental maturity to adequately nurture and raise that human being. That human being is much more likely to follow in my footsteps, as they have not got any other role model or example to follow. Therefore, another teen pregnancy, poverty, etc. etc. It’s a vicious circle and a huge problem in this country. I don’t know why people can’t see past the “I’m not paying for someone else’s birth control because I’m morally superior” attitude. It’s not about killing babies or promiscuity, you morons.
Libby, it amazes me that you automatically think that the 16 year old mother will be uneducated and perpetuate this problem. First of all there are a lot of intelligent teenagers making poor choices and getting pregnant. The support they get from their family dictates what happens next. Our throw away society has made it acceptable to kill the baby.
It amazes me that its a fetus when the choice is to abort, but a baby, when it is murdered by violence or a drunk driver. To me, it is a baby all the time. Society wants to make itself feel better psychologically when they are the ones killing the baby.
Also, it was not that long ago that girls routinely got married in their teen years (typically 16). They had the mental capacity to handle it then. Why not now? Also, if our teens can have the mental capacity to handle the violence and sex on TV and the movies, why can’t they handle the rest? Do they have the mental capacity to drive at 16? This is a poor excuse.
Libby said “It’s not about killing babies or promiscuity, you morons.”
No, it’s about giving a license to have sex without regard to responsibility for one’s actions to someone who doesn’t have the mental capacity to accept the responsibility. You’re the moron.
There was a time when teenage pregnancy was a disgrace, and as a result, a deterrent. Teenagers still got pregnant, but not at the rate it is today. It’s acceptable and considered “cool” in some areas.
Intgrity – again you are reading what you want to and not what I said. I said “most likely” will be uneducated and dependant on society. And that is the truth. I did not say it is a given. But many have no family they can lean on, because their family is in the same boat.
And pregnant teens are NOT getting married these days. Those days are long gone and irrelevant to the discussion about what’s going on today. You can long for the yesteryears, but that will not make change today. And they don’t have the mental capacity for the violence and sex they see in the media.
I don’t know what kind of teens you’ve been hanging around, but they aren’t all a bunch of Einstein’s out there doing the right thing. Think back to when you were a teen (if you can) and maybe try some empathy and open-mindedness.
I am not making excuses. I am facing up to reality, as it is today, and trying to effect positive change in this society. I happen to think birth control for teens is a must if we are going to curb the rate of teen pregnancy and all the problems it brings to our society. What are you doing?
My scenario played out with adoption when I was 32.
Agent, your wrong on one word. Burdon. I would love to see what has become of that child I was referring to.
If he is better off then I clould have provided, god bless. If not, I hope the people that told me I was too old rot in hell.
That little guy needed stability. I hope he got it.
Libby:
First you say it’s that there will be $50,000 worth of debt for each child, then you say it’s not all about numbers? You made it about numbers.
Further to the point: I have said I’m against forcing religions to pay for birth control. I also said how having it forced on to insurance actually increases the costs. Birth control is $15 dollars, or less for a girl who is 16. You mind taking back that comment? They have access. My problem is with increasing the cost and having everyone pay for it to get a vote.
More importantly: You’re wrong about single mothers and the effect on their kids.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/living-single/200901/children-single-mothers-how-do-they-really-fare
You can look up more sites on that if you want. There is very little difference, so the amount of single mothers and or kids that would screw over our debt argument is null and void. Our main expenditures do not come from welfare, you’ve even said that before yourself. It comes from social security, which you only get if you work, medicare, which you only get if you work, etc.
These people being born would not change the ratio of social security expenditures to social security revenues.
So stick that down your pipe and quit with the “these morons don’t understand having kids harms the budget!” It doesn’t.
I never mentioned $50,000 of debt for a child. I said all the conservative holier-than-thou’s on this site complain, complain, complain about people on government assistance but then bitch about government sponsored birth control. If you want to control the amount of people you call deadbeats, start by providing birth control to teens and other women.
I did not make this a debt issue. You did. Again with the numbers and ratios and expenditures. It’s about lives. And the only argument I can give to people who only care about money is try to appeal to their pocketbook and show them it is costing them money. That’s not MY reason for wanting birth control. Mine is about improving people’s lives.
Libby,
The fewer than 1 in 15 was for planet’s comment, regarding birth control. I don’t know why it posted near yours. He was clearly wrong about what people think about birth control.
You act like I don’t have emotions. I do. I am all about what’s best for people. You’re not, you just don’t understand yet how people like you affect people.
Everyone should be taking care of their own birth controll. I did. I’m done. Now I have to start paying again???
Just what do “people like me” doing to negatively affect people? I’m trying to effect positive change in this country, starting with addressing the teen pregnancy crises. And yes, it’s a crises. I’ve already explained that. What makes you think you know better what’s best for the people than me?
Again, if you’re that smart and have all the answers, what are you doing in real estate and gaming? Why aren’t you putting all your smarts to work doing something positive for the country instead of picking on me on this blog?
Should be taken care of at the Parental Level – not at the government level. My daughter made her mistakes thats for sure. I have stepped up playing provider and daddy. Meanwhile, dead beat keeps dead beating, daughter keeps her hand out. “Oh Poor Me” crap.
Now, she gets herself diagnosed with Bi Polar. More SSDI?? Drugs instead of teaching her strategies to deal with it?
I sill resent that $50K tax burdon comment about babies. Dont know who said it, but that was cruel.
FFA, you are the exception rather than the rule when it comes to parental responsibility. Unfortunately, the parental oversight is just not there, so to say it should be at the parental level is naive.
I said the comment about $50k. It was just a number I threw out there to compare to $100/month ($1,200) for birth control. I only did that to get the attention of folks that only care about the money.
It’s not about the money to me. And I’m not being cruel. Cruel is allowing children to have children with no means of supporting or nurturing them because it’s “morally” wrong to provide birth control. Teen pregnacy is morally wrong in my opinion and it has caused a death spiral of poverty and crime in this country.
Wake up people! Are you really so petty about paying for birth control in order to prevent unplanned pregnacies? If so, all hope is lost on you and we are destined to continue down this path of self-destruction. What a pity.
Yes Libby, I am that petty. Every Nickle and Dime add up. Been adding up for 4 years now at a rapid rate. Throw in another $10+K for increased Health Cost now a few more nickles for B Controll.
Wow Agent.
Do you actually believe what you say, or are you just trolling? Because all I see from you are insults, Fox News talking points, and incredibly ignorant statements like the one you just made.
It makes me wonder if you really believe what you’re saying, or if you’re just bored at work and trying to stir up drama.
Socialists are very smart and they have a plan for America. It does not include people like most of you. The seeds for what you will get in the next 4 years are planted. You fools can not stop this. You will never get the vote or support of undocumented voters, the locked in minority voters, or all the citizens on welfare. It has a been long process (since FDR and before) overthrowing capitalism but it is done. You can not take America back.
Booga
Yes, be afraid. The country is lost. It’s going to be taken over by guys in hockey masks, William Schattner masks, pinhead faces, a guy with knives instead of fingers, aliens (no pun intended), guys in white sheets (oh wait, they already tried that), and the Oprah Winfrey Book Club! Clutch your pearls while you get the vapors!!!
I would hate to be your employer Planet. You make Looney Tunes look intelligent by comparison.
My employer loves me. As do most people I know. I’m actually a loveable person. And, I’m loving. I’d give you a hug, Agent.
Captain – I just have to say I think I love you!
I think the Captain is from a different planet. I’ll admit that “get ready’s” comment is a little “doomsday-ish”, but the reality is, this country will have an even harder time digging itself out of the deficit that Obama will create by 2016.
Integrity, Planet has been told that dozens of times on different blogs and it doesn’t faze him. He and Libby are a close match and Libby has fallen in love with him. I hope they will be happy together or they may be miserable together with the tide turning again in our favor. Their posts reflect the desperation that is felt by all liberals. They have a failed President who is throwing the Middle Class under the bus with additional taxes and have nothing to say that is positive so they resort to personal attacks on Conservatives.
I have never seen Captain insult anyone on this blog, Agent. It is you that continues to hurl the nasties.
Personal attacks like this one:
” By the way Planet, do you expect the government, ie the taxpayer to pay for your wife’s pills or are you able to pay? If I were her, I would make sure to take them without fail.”
– Agent
Agent, that was pretty dickish of you. I would like to think you’re actually a nice person. Are you able to play in the sandbox without throwing it in my face?
Do chinease people wear Hockey Masks? Just wondering what I am in for when they foreclose on our debt.
Chris Bradshaw is on NOW:
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Hey Captain, You never answered my question.
Why didn’t the democrat controlled congress pass a budget the first two years Obama was in office? Why didn’t Obama take steps to balance the budget in his first two years when he could ram anything throught the house? Bush may have caused the initial problem but Obama did nothing to make it better. In fact, he made it worse.
Planet & Libby both can’t answer your question because their President didn’t worry about budgets along with Prince Harry in the Senate & Lugosi in the House. Continuing resolution after continuing resolution so the American People wouldn’t know how bad the spending was. When you don’t want people knowing how bad a job you are doing, put it in file 13 and hope it goes away. When you should be focusing on righting the economic ship, spend all your time talking about an unaffordable Healthcare bill and hope people will be not notice the looming iceberg outside the Titanic window.
They tried – not a single Republican vote. And, hardly a Dem controlled congress. There were dems in there that should have been on your side of the aisle. Remember what Mitch McConnell’s #1 goal was/is starting from DAY ONE! “Make Obama a one term President.” How do you do that, not agree with anything he does. Here’s something about trying to pass a budget. Article is from 2009:
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2009/0403/obama-gets-budget-passed-fast-yes-bipartisan-nope
Planet, you have selective memory to say the least. Queen Nancy & Prince Harry were holding court the first two years, you know the ones who rammed Healthcare down our throat with overwhelming majorities in the House & Senate. Why did they settle for continuing resolutions over and over when they could have passed a budget? The answer is very simple. They didn’t want the American People to see how bad the numbers actually were. Mitch McConnell had no power to stop Reid. By the way, the last budget submitted by Obama was voted down 100-0 in the Senate. Gee, I wonder why. The Senate has been in Obama’s camp right along and even they don’t like his numbers because they are crap. Your President is a fiscal disaster along with all his other shortcomings and an embarassment for the nation as a leader.
ALL ABOARD!! The Captain’s BS train is taking off!!
The Dem’s controlled both houses and could pass anything they wanted. They chose not to for the reasons stated by Agent. The economy was not their priority. They had one agenda, Obamacare.
I thought I told everyone to get back to work!!!! LOL
Hey Integrity, you are right the Captain is from a different planet. I tought it was Mars but I changed my mind. It has got to be Uranus.
He’s here all night, people. Remember to tip your waitresses. Oh, and try the veal. If you’re into slaughtering baby things.
Actually Planet, Republicans are not “into” slaughtering baby things. Democrats sure are with their record.
I beg to differ. It was Republican Presidents who got us into the most recent war messes. Plenty of baby-killing going on in war. And, just straight up killing in general. Pro-life my a_ _.
Was not a president. Was the terrorists. Remember 911?It had to happen. It needs to happen with Libya.
You really are from a different planet, Captain. Killing of babies or any other innocent people during war is not intentional. It happens and is sad. But, it is part of war. We don’t ask the terrorists to shield themselves with babies.
However, passing laws to allow and fund the killing of babies by choice, is intentional. May God forgive all of us for allowing that to exist and persist.
Sargent, I wouldn’t let Planet anywhere near my anus. He is part of the crowd that says “Lean forward, we aren’t through yet.
Good one, Agent. And they don’t even kiss us or write.
So Libby, just for the record, there are Black Republicans much to your chagrin. Here are just 10. You might have heard of one or two:
Martin Luther King Sr.
Alveda King
Clarence Thomas
Condoleeza Rice
Colin Powell
Harriet Tubman
SojournerTruth
Alen Keyes
Michael Steele
Dr. Mildred Jefferson
Booker T Washington
Wow, you named 10 out of millions. And…pretty much all of them wouldn’t agree with the direction of today’s Republican Party. Except for Alen Keys, Condoleeza Rice, Clarence Thomas, and Alveda King. So, you batted .400. Not bad! And, don’t give me any lip about Michael Steele:
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TAMPA — Republicans gathered at the University Club in downtown Tampa Saturday night to honor GOP chairman Reince Priebus. The event was sponsored by the Wisconsin delegation, which of course represents Priebus’ home state, and the Mississippi delegation, home of former governor and former RNC chairman Haley Barbour. There were several major players there: Priebus himself, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, Sen. Ron Johnson, Barbour and nephew Henry Barbour, former Virginia governor and former RNC chair Jim Gilmore, former chair Mike Duncan, and others.
With the presence of Priebus, Barbour, Gilmore, and Duncan, the event featured the current and three former chairmen of the party. But there was one very recent chairman who was nowhere to be found, and whose name didn’t come up: Michael Steele.
Steele was chairman when the party selected Tampa as the site of its 2012 convention. Steele was chairman when the GOP came roaring back after defeats in 2006 and 2008 to pick up 63 seats to gain control of the House in 2010, and also to gain six seats to greatly strengthen its position in the Senate. In addition, during Steele’s time in office, Republicans won key governorships in New Jersey and Virginia.
But at the University Club, Steele was not only not there; he wasn’t noted or referenced. In public remarks, no one said anything bad about him, and no one said anything good about him. He just didn’t exist.
“I have not been invited to the convention at all,” Steele says. “Their view is, the less we talk about him, we don’t invite him, we ignore him — it just didn’t happen. But those 63 seats in the House did happen. They may want to ignore me, but they don’t want to ignore what I did. It’s just sad.”
“I would have loved to have been there to salute the work of the party and see former chairmen,” Steele adds. “But I guess I’m not a member of that club.”
As it happens, Steele is in Tampa, but only, he says, in his role as an analyst on MSNBC. He won’t be attending any events in his role as former chairman.
In addition to the party’s electoral victories, the sometimes gaffe-prone Steele also left the RNC with a huge debt, and a number of Republican insiders accuse him of leaving the party in a terrible mess. “That’s a bunch of bulls–t,” says Steele. Other chairmen have also left debt, he says, and other members of the RNC concurred in the expenses that led to the Steele-era debt. “It’s just annoying as hell,” Steele says of the talk. “You get a little sick of the bulls–t after a while.” Priebus was a close Steele deputy at the time, but to say the two men have had a falling out is an understatement.
Asked about Steele’s absence, an RNC source noted that most past party chairmen are also part of their state’s delegations to the Tampa convention, and are thus automatically part of events here. “Nobody is ‘invited,’” the source said. “You either are part of a delegation or not. The people from, say, Wisconsin are delegates and alternate delegates.” At the University Club event, however, there were several people who were not officially part of a delegation but rather guests of those who were. “Each of those people [delegates and alternates] gets a guest pass, but it would be up to them,” says the source.
Whatever bad blood exists privately, it is remarkable that the GOP’s most recent chairman has no role at all in the convention whose planning he initiated. He’s also the man who was in charge when the party won smashing victories in the most recent mid-term elections. And he didn’t gain power in a coup; he was elected chairman by a majority of members of the RNC. Finally, Steele is the party’s only black chairman at a time when Republicans are particularly worried about their continuing difficulties in attracting minority voters. Why not have him play some public role in the convention? And if there are still hard feelings — well, it would hardly be the first time that people who didn’t like each other joined hands and smiled in front of the crowds.
“Can we just say I’m part of the party,” asks Steele, “a leader of the party, and still an asset to the party?”
So you named 11 black Republicans, so what? I stand by my statement. I believe the majority are white, middle-class, males. Enough said on the subject. I am not racist.
Y9ou may not be racist but you do lean on it to excuse peoples actions.
Not excuse, FFA. Try to understand and learn from. To be able to effect change. Try it sometime.
I will never understand someone – anyone regardles of color, social circumstances – what ever – just accepting that is the way it has to be. Your a prime exapmle. You packed up and moved across country – did what you had to do. I do admire that about you. So, to hear you defend the people your describe is somewhat confusing to me.
If Obama becming president did not pound in their heads that they could do something with their lives, nothing ever will. Them are the people I have no sympathy for. Them are the people that should be cut off the Give A Way system.
I moved across the country to get married, FFA. Not to get a job. The reason my income went down was I was laid off in 2008 and the reason for that had nothing to do with Obama.
And now your divorced (I seem to remember from a diffferent post) and still providing for your self. Life kicked you and your back on your feet instead of sticking your hand out. Pat your self on the back for that one.
Now, how about going around to these poor opressed people and tell your story how you rose above lifes bumps? You would certianly get a lot further doing that then what your doing in this forum.
I was divorced several years ago and married for the second time. I know, immoral, but there it is. I have taken care of myself since I was 17 with no help from anyone, but I had many advantages others may not have. I believe in hard work, yes I do. What I do not believe in is condemning and entire class, race, or nationality of people as a sterotype. Until you have walked in someone elses’ shoes, you have no right to judge. But I’m the heathen democrat that doesn’t believe in the Christian way. Right!
Never said that – Heven Comment. Never meant to imply it. Fact is, I meant it a a compliment – that you took care of your self. Life kicks you. You pulled yourself out of it. Now you state your remarried. Good for you. No sarcasim. No slam. Just a compliment.
I dont condem any race or religion. I condem a way of life – thats the give a way life style. I do believe in helping people get back on their feet. I do not believe in giving them a crutch to lean on. I dont have time for peoples own personal pitty party.
If you dont like what you see in the mirrow, then do something about it. If you dont do something about it, then stick you hand back in your own pocket and stop sticking it in mine.
You were more fortunate then others? Maybe. But it was you that made it on your own. Whatever “advantage” you had, you took it an ran with it.
I believe in your way of life (provide for yourself) – just not your politics.
Enough said. I think we are closer on this issue than most others. Let’s keep it that way. I want to be friends.
Sargent, The Democrats hope the Black’s continue to vote based on skin color instead of using their brains. They are seeing some erosion on the per cent since the blacks have something around 15-20% unemployment rate since Obama took office and he hasn’t delivered for them. Many will stay home this election. I have a number of black friends and customers and they voted Democratic in 08 and they all plan to vote differently this time. By the way, I count Col Allen West as one of the brightest stars in the Republican Party currently and Artur Davis & Mia Love are also ones to watch in the future.
Libby, Is this one of those low income black females that you won’t see in the Republican party?
http://www.youtube.com/watchv=tpAOwJvTOio&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Sorry Sargent Major, I think the link is bad.
Again, Sarge, for the last time. I said you won’t see “many”. I know you Republicans only think in black and white and use terms like always, never, all, and none, but I do not. I said “most” and “many”. Give it a rest already.
Libby, Sgt. Major calls The President Barry. You have to consider the source when reading their opinions. Oh, and I love you, too.
That is what he was called in Indonesia and when he applied to Occidental College as a foreign student. Gee, I wonder why he sealed all his education records from there right through Harvard. If he is the smartest man in the world, he should be proud of his college credentials and how he was able to afford all that high priced education.
hopefully this will end the stream of notifications on posted e mails if I don’t check the box.
No planet uranus I am not here all night. I happen to work long hours to make a little extra. Unlike you ad Libby who probably shutdown 30 minutes early off your 8 hour day so you can beat the traffic home.
No, I’m not even 2 miles away from home. I actually work from home quite a bit, too. Oh, and I do painting, staining, and pressure washing side jobs. I, too, like to make a little extra. I can also edit film, proofread, and professionally write if you need some help in those arenas. I wrote a dissertation for one of those doctors that agrees with the PPACA that I spoke of before in another blogosphere. He gave me some pretty cool Oakleys for it so it was worth it. The ones Michael Jordan wore at the last Grant Park celebration after The Bulls won their last NBA Championship. You guys will get a kick of this – they are actually called “Mars”.
Libby said- “Again, Sarge, for the last time. I said you won’t see “many”. I know you Republicans only think in black and white and use terms like always, never.”
Wow, nice double entendre with the “only think in Black and White” comment. You are a racist. You and many of your other liberal bretheren see minorities as people that can’t do things for themselves and with your bleeding heart want to help them by “giving them things from the government” as long as they don’t come in your neighborhood, your good with that. Typical liberal crap.
The difference between a democrat and a Republican? A Republican will help the needy by providing temporary assistance and work to find them a job. A democrat will pull $20.00 out of the Republicans pocket and give them the address to the welfare office.
You sure do paint with a wide brush, Sgt. Major.
I didn’t even think of the black/white comment as potentially racist. That’s how racist I AM NOT. And I am not for a hand out, but a hand up. Many minorities have not had the advantages others have had and I understand that. They don’t need a hand out. They need to be treated fairly and without bias. I’ve lived in plenty of neighborhoods amongst minorities and non-minorities alike. I do not see color or race, I see a person. It is a shame everyone else can not do the same.
BTW, I am an Army brat and have lived all over the country. My parents had friends of many races and ethnicities. I did not even know there was a thing as racism until I was in high school in NC. You’re barking up the wrong tree with this one, Sarge.
James- go to you tube and type in- Obama voter says vote for obama because he gives a free phone. She is a little heavy,has a dark shirt on and a light blue jacket. Now there is an informed obama voter and typical informed democrat.
Sargent, I saw this video and she is emblematic about what the entitlement crowd is all about. They want everything handed to them on a silver platter. I remember after the 08 election about seeing the video of the woman who was so overjoyed that she was going to get a free car, gas for it, house, food and anything else her heart desired because Obama was going to give it to her. Well, he has succeeded in giving a good part of it to these folks at our expense. Just food stamps alone have gone up 15 million more people than in 09. Social Security Disability has gone up several million in the past 2 years and a good number of them have no business on it.
Thanks, she is an example of a wasted life.
Sargent, Congratulations to your Tigers for sending the Yankees back to NY in disgrace. You should be playing the Cardinals in the World Series since they are about to close out the Giants. The Cardinals are tough as I can testify to since the Rangers couldn’t close them out and twice got to within one strike and couldn’t do it. However, we didn’t have Verlander and your other really good pitchers. I think Detroit can do it. Good luck.
Remember, 1:30 – 2:30 CST:
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quit spamming us, Planet dude!
ObamaCare is a great start to fixing our ongoing disgraceful healthcare system for a First World economy. This plan was good for Romney and for the Republicans that first proposed it. While I would prefer getting the insurance company profits completely out of healthcare, this is a good start and everyone should be in the pool (the game). It’s wrong for people that can pay something to instead wait until their ill and then use the high cost Emergency Rooms as their doctors which causes those of us that pay to have higher premiums. My family cost for health insurance through Blue Cross Blue Shield is $24,000 annually plus $1000 deductible. Not many people can afford that. Working class Republicans need to think about their pocketbooks and whether they want money in their own pockets, or the pockets of the giant insurance companies. I don’t understand the rationale of the working class being against this change that will benefit them tremendously over time. Jeez!!
Nice, RubysGirl! You should come out here and visit us more often. We could use more voices of reason like yours.
…and that was the most important thing for Obama to focus on his first year in office? While our economy was going down the drain this president chose to focus on healthcare, and basically take all the steps necessary to divide the country. You honestly think that was the right thing to do as the Leader of the US at that time?
RubysGirl, You are either young and naive; misinformed or both. Allow me to educate you. First, the US has the greatest healthcare system in the world. Our system contains two parts, the providers of service (Doc’s, hospitals, etc) and the insurance companies.
It is the greatest system because our system fosters greatness and innovation for the world’s and this country’s brightest doctors. Anyone in the country can access any doctor of their choice. Country’s with socialized medicine have good doc’s, some very talented. However, their financial incentive is fixed by their govts, thereby limiting the best and brightest to stay within their system. Access to care by the best Doc’s is limited because everyone wants to go to them and it sometimes takes months to get an appointment. Additionally, depending upon the situation, the govt may or may not authorize the level of care a person needs based upon many factors, including age of the patient, potential outcome and overall cost of the test or care. This is why many foreigners come to the US for care.
Our system has disadvantages, mostly the cost. However, there are steps that can be taken to lower those costs, but our govt leaders (Republicans and Democrats) leading up to Obamacare did nothing to take those steps. Obamacare and the eventual costs to all of us, will ultimately bankrupt us because nothing has been done to fix the cause of the problem. Throwing more money and getting more people paying into the system will not satisfy the ever increasing costs.
People blame the insurance companies because they do not know how it works. Insurance companies are allowed to make a profit like any other company. Like other companies they have operating expenses, but their expense include paying losses…the provider (Doc/hospital cost). The best thing to curtail high profits is competition. The current laws do not foster competition. The current laws foster higher expenses due to the runaway lawsuits.
The govt is historically inefficient and has proven that they cannot manage the tax dollars entrusted to them. They routinely rob Peter to pay Paul. That is why Social Security and Medicare are a mess. President Obama has recently admitted that a large portion of our debt is owed to ourselves. This is because they take money from one program and give it to another. This is the equivalent of borrowing money on one credit card to pay the bill of another credit card.
There is no long term benefit to govt run healthcare. It has been tried and it does not work effectively or efficiently. I hope this helps you understand the truth about our healthcare system.
No Tort Reform – No fix.
The National Health Care system in the UK is why I have no more living relatives. As my family aged their health care was rationed by the National Institute for Clinical Excellence which is in fact a death panel. Obamacare is no different. My prinary care doctor says he will probably have to close his doors if Obamacare is fully implemented.
I’m sick to death of the leftist socialist morons that post here and have unjustified confidence in the corrupt criminals who are in charge in DC. BTW, I e-mailed and phone the Bush administration asking them to drop the Medicare prescription benefit that cannot be paid for.
Maybe I’m lucky that I’m getting old so I will miss the debacle and the destruction of what was the greatest nation in history.
God Bless America !
Great post Water Bug. Pay no attention to Planet, Libby, Birdy. They are part of the problem, not the solution. They believe in all the lies and an administration that is the most corrupt in American history. Obamacare is only one part of what is bad about this government. They trample on the Constitution and think they are above all laws and can do what they want by issuing executive orders to get their way. That will all come to a screeching halt in about 40 days so desperation has set in.
Water Bug, you rock!
Water Bug,
I think you should title that, “Fear and Loathing in Las Blogos”.
Unemployment stats – stinks
Housing Market – stinks
Economy as a whole – stinks
– This President has done more to divide America than any other president during my voting life time (25 plus years).
– An administration that tries to cover up a terrorist attack against the US
I need a president that gets results – results that are centered on helping Americans – Obama, I am NOT voting for you…
Sargent, FFA, Amazed, Steve and others who express our Conservative views, did any of you catch the speech by Benjamin Netanyahu at the UN the other day? He was the epitome of class and laid it all out about what Israel faces in order to survive against his Muslim neighbors and Iran in particular. This man is a real leader and is extremely intelligent. I wish we had a Netanyahu in this country to be our President, but we have a real shortage of leaders in either of our parties. The worst of all is in office right now and he would rather be “eye candy” on the view rather than meet with world leaders or deal with our country’s problems.
He called and talked with Benjamin, first of all. He is in complete agreement with Netanyahu, second of all. And Benjamin just said last week he isn’t for any particular candidate and he continues to work in perfect cooperation with the US. You can find the audio out there, I heard it live on the radio. But, go ahead and keep misinforming us. By the way, they are at 20% uranium and need to get to at least 80% before they can consider making the bomb and we are actually there inspecting. Sean won’t tell you that, though. Oh wait, you don’t listen to Sean, you just get the same talking points that I read every day before I start listening to conservative radio. Yes, I listen to it every day. I read the talking points every morning so I can see what the daily rage is going to be all about. They should just come out with a newspaper or a website called The Daily Rage (Or How And Why I Hate President Obama Because Rupert Told Me I Should).
Yes, Sgt Major, I am working from home tonight, on a Friday, so no, I didn’t leave a half hour early today so I could beat the traffic.
What bullshit, and you know it. I am for a non-interventionist policy, but for us to snub our only real ally in the middle east to go on a talk show is not only stupid, it’s a slap in the face. It’s probably unprecedented as well!
We need an ally in th Mid East why? Hide Bin Laden? Keep close to oil?
What happened to all this invest in green that OBama preaced? Bust? Waste of $$? Seems the Chevy Volt was a complete bust. Saw something on the news yesterday about that.
Yes, it was revealed that the GM Green Investment in the Volt is just as successful as Solyndra and all the others that have gone belly up. It costs $90,000 to make a $40,000 car that no one wants.
The committee in Congress investigating the Libyan attack is calling Hilary on the carpet to answer questions about why they didn’t provide more security to our Ambassador or evacuate him. She followed the party line for quite a while saying it was all the result of the video when all the evidence says otherwise. I wonder how she will try to spin this or will she throw her exalted leader under the bus. This whole administration is an embarassment to the country.
Just wondering – if the muslum nation is against women, why do we send Billary to deal with them? I am not in favor of the good ole boys network, but seems we would get better results with a Male then a Female.
Why on earth would the Pres lie about this? All eveidence points to planned attack and he says spur of the moment.
Hilary was about to send Egypt and the Muslim Brotherhood another $450 million until the House stopped the funds. What did she think they were going to do with that money? My guess is they would buy more arms (not from us) to use against Israel. I know Libby thinks she is the smartest woman on earth, but she is acting like a pea brain Progressive who thinks we can suck up to the Muslims by giving them money. What a disastrous foreign policy.
Dont we have starving people – in and out side of the gettho – right here on American Soil?
Man oh man, to think what I could do with that kind of cash. Pay my med bills & premiums, feed all my Grand Kids with out the help of food stamps, get my parents the medical attention they need, buy a reliable car, buy a Senate Seat, oh the possibilities!
Just give me One Million, hell half a million, hell, just forgive my tax debt.
Bravo to the House!!!! Screw the mid east – hell, all foreign aid until we are back on our feet
I wonder how Hilary (State Dept) and Petraeus (CIA) feel about being thrown under the bus by Biden last night. Someone is lying about what they knew and when they knew it about the Libyan Terrorist attack. When we have a President, Secretary of State and UN Ambassador insisting it was because of a video for two weeks when they knew it was Al Quida doing the deed 24 hours after the attack, someones head should roll. My guess is that one of the underlings will fall on their sword to protect this administration. They are the most incompetent in this nations history and the prime directive is to protect us from enemies, foreign and domestic. What a joke.
Probably Hillary. As many time as biden said “Trust Me”, leaves me with the burning question – What are you hiding?
FFA, the problem is that the American People trusted them when they had all the platitudes on Hope & Change. Now, the American People hope we do change from what we have had for the past 4 years. That was quite an exhibition last night on the art of deception. His whole demeanor, bluster, condescending, rude behavior makes me ill. The last hairplug treatment must have penetrated into his pea size brain and set him off. When you combine that with his boss and his lackluster performance, look what we have leading this great country. They need to be retired and out of our hair.
Hey Cap, I don’t think this is Rupert talking, lol:
http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/26/taxpayers-spent-1-4-billion-on-obama-family-last-year-perks-questioned-in-new-book
Off Topic – Did any one see the Court Ruling on the Occupy movement in CHicago this week? The court stated the Cerfew Law violated their right to Assemble. Just gave every gan banger the right to gather. Murder rate is up 50% since Rahm (one of Obamas stooges) took over in Chicago.
Wonder how much this is going to boost the murder rate.
Wow! If somebody already can’t afford to pay for Health Insurance, how are they going to be able to pay the tax penalty? This doesn’t make any sense!
We all know what these guys stand for! The question is what do you stand for? Food stamps or pay checks?
You decide!
It can be both, Sarah.
Sarah, If we get another 4 years of this nonsense, we will all be on food stamps instead of pay checks. This is one of the many examples of “Trickle Up Poverty”. The internet is just full of articles about the taxes going up for the Middle Class in 2013 and many of them list them out. I know this pleases Libby and Planet since they are part of the Tax & Spend philosophy of their master. Forgive us for not wanting to be “serfs” to this master in the coming years.
Hmmmm,, How does an “average penalty of $1200” times “6 million people” paying the penalty, raise “$6.9 billion in penalties by 2016”?? Sounds more like $72 million to me-more financial c–p from a ridiculous govt.
Jamie, the tax penalty is only the tip of the iceberg. The Middle Class is about to be hit with more taxes in this bill in 2013, it will make all our heads swim. They are determined to make the Middle Class the official Poverty Class in 2013 if we don’t get this rolled back.
Well Agent, was going off topic with you today. Wanted to know your opinion – should I trade my Bears Defense for Miles Austion. After last night, I think I made up my own mind.
Have not followed Base BAll at all this year. So, if the Rangers make it, I’m all for them! Go Demps!
Miles Austin is an OK receiver as long as he stays healthy, which has been the problem with him. Of course, you do have to have the others on the same page and that isn’t happening. As far as the Rangers go, they may be fine whether they win the division or as a wild card. Their pitching has been injury riddled this year and they still have one of the best records in baseball. Dempster has given them some quality starts and hopefully it will continue.
I got countered Bears D for Andrea Johnson. HMMMM…..
A studly receiver for the Studliest of D’s. HMMMMM…..
OBama Romney, thats an easy one.
Bears for Andre, now there is a hard decision.
Any stats heads out there? My buddy from stats inc is even perplexed on that one.
FFA, the only thing you should be concerned about the Bears D is the age of it. As was pointed out last night, several are over 30 and in a violent game, they usually have some debilitating injuries and can’t last the year. The NFL is rightly named – Not for long.
Yes. But like the Cubs I’ll wait till next year to worry about that. Right here, right now looking pretty good. Everyone talks about Urlacher. Personally, I think Briggs is the best on the team. I’ve even heard Brian say that on local TV too. Urlacher has a time shedding blocks after he is engaged. Not Lance. The guy is a beast! Not bad for a late draft pick. If memory serves correctly, 5th round. But, man oh man, can Brian run them rbs down – bust through the line. Even when one LB is down, Roach is a better back up then many starters. Not sure how the Bears keep coming up with these LB’s, but makes for good football.
All you B Ball fans out there betting the playoffs, it seem to hold true year after year – what ever team has the most X Cubs on it loses in true Cub fashion – Choke – Choke -Choke. Its usually one of the X Cubs that do it.
Aside from Dusty Baker, what other Cub former manager has gone on to manage elsewhere? Cant include Lee Elia. He was only an interim manager.
OMG, I can’t believe this is STILL going
It’s a regular slugfest, Susan.
Susan, So long as there are paid bloggers, this will go on. Will be interesting to see who no longer posts after the election.
Are you a betting person? I am betting 4 to 5 will never be heard from after the election. I may be one you never hear from because if OBama wins, I fear I will have to close shop. Hopefully reopen in Wisc. I will never be a Packer Fan!!!!
Many are so afraid the poor man might get something that he did not work for in their high and mighty judgment, regardless of hours worked, humilation endured, sickness or capabilities that the upper class or wanna be’s in society would prefer to set standards via a talk radio host, internet, newspapers, news channels and other equally biased vehicles of communication to spew the vile hatred and lies resulting in gang member mentality of Tea Parties and Wall Street Occupiers. Yet, the poor only receives a small sliver of the pie compared to the giant corporations. The idealogy almost ruined us and the powers that be have convinced many of you hook, line and sinker to go back so they can get the rest of your money. Think for yourself, not what the paid advertisers report to you everyday. Why would you deny your neighbor access to health insurance? Tell the truth. There are no death panels. Stop using scare tactics.
I wish they would tell the truth about wht they think is Affordable. I wish they would tell the truth about what happened in Libya. I wish they would tell the truth about how far in my pocket they are going to stick their hand.
Its a two way street – truth is. Obama is from IL. From my experience, he will never tell the truth – the tax dodger he is. That is probably the October Surprise. Mit has the proof of his involvenment with Resko and he is going to go public.
He never denied being involved with Resko. But you are convicting him based on guilt by association. There is no evidence he did anything illegal. Rich people all over (Republican and Democrat) have access to loop holes, capital, and power that we will never have. That is why they get richer while we get poorer.
I didnt convict him on his involvement. His real estate transaction is a matter of public record. Proof that he used the Loop Hole is right there in Cook County Proerty records.
What is not known is what he knew about Blago & Resco & Levine. The sale of his senate seat. We know he was tight with Jesse Jr. Now, a second crimnal investigation going on with Jr.
You know my opinion. He is from Illinois. He is guilty about something. Hiding behind Executive priviliage in the Trial makes him look even more guilty.
I hear that Jesse Jr is under investigation for misuse of public funds so he could re-decorate his home. No wonder he has been under so much stress and sought treatment. He could have gone to Daddy and asked for the money. How does Chicago produce such fine upstanding citizens?
Using loopholes is not illegal.
And if your logic follows through, you are from Illinois so you must be guilty about something.
One size does not fit all, FFA.
Re: Jesse Jr – I thought I heard it was for using campaign funds to decorate his DC House.
Loop Holes are not Illegal. He throws stones at Romney for using legal loop holes. So do you. Glass Houses Libby.
If a federal prosecutor calls me, I dont have Executive Privilage to hide behind. Nor have I had any dealings with any one thats been convicted on anything except a traffic ticket.
BTW, Nice game your Broncos put up last night. Very entertaining. Could be just like this election with oBama way out in front and Romney keep chipping away to get the victory!
Not liking the way he tossed Hillary under the buss in the Libya thing. OBama seems to be the type of person that cant stand up and say The Buck Stops Here.
I’m against loopholes, period. But you said he did something illegal by using them and he didn’t.
Yes, the game last night was great! Reminded me of the Elway days. Sigh!
Dont recall saying Legal Loop Holes are illegal. Sorry if I misspoke.
YEA Elway! Kicking Tebow to the curb bringing in Manning.
Well said, Taxpayer. Still we continue to hear the horror stories of death panels and other scare tactics used to invoke fear in the hearts of good Americans. Individually, most are good people. Together, they band together to protect others from getting what’s “theirs”, so afraid someone might get something they’re “not entitled” to get. We are not a society of people that take care of our own, but judge and despise those of us that are not like us. It’s a terrible situation in this country. I want the America back where people looked out for one another and really cared about each other. That American is gone.
FFA, Good one. There seems to be an unending parade of graft and corruption coming out of the great state of Illinois. The land of Lincoln is an embarassment to the country. Honest Abe must be rolling over in his grave. I was also surprised to see Hilary, also from Illinois falling on her sword for Obama. Information has come to light that we had a drone airborne showing this attack in real time so we knew this was not a demonstration from the start and yet she, the UN Ambassador and the President continued their narrative for almost 2 weeks and the President was even proclaiming at the UN that it was the video. Something this serious where you have an Ambassador & three others murdered should have been briefed to the President immediately and the perps identified for who they were. This goes all the way to the top and this administration has failed the people on just about everything. Is Hilary now saying she is not the smartest woman on the planet because she failed to act and set the record straight right from the start? I would like to know the name of the person in the White House who ordered the canned statement about the video. It is time for the real truth to come out.
The loss of American lives on foreign soil is always a tragedy. But don’t you think you are jumping the gun by concluding this is a cover-up? The investigation continues. We don’t even know what really happened yet. Even the families have asked that the deaths of their loved ones not be used for political purposes until all the investigation is done. I think we should honor their wishes and move on to more important topics, like jobs and the economy. That’s what the people want to hear about. Not this.
Libby, why is it that when liberal Progressives get caught with their pants down that they say we should just move on. After all, this was just a “bump in the road” according to your President. 4 people dead including our Ambassador, we knew about it within 24 hours it was Al Quida and you say to move on. The American People need answers on this. I would demand the same from any Republican administration. How about telling the truth for a change? It should be an interesting debate when foreign policy is the subject.
I never said just move on. I said wait until a thorough investigation is done and quit jumping to conclusions. We are demanding answers. But until they’re available, we should not be throwing darts and speculating.
These tragedies happen and they are a fault of the security service, not the President of the United States. Is this really what you want them focusing on tonight? Not me.
Its unfortunate, but it will be used in this election. I know enough about it. I think its horrible for one person to take the fall. Buck stops at the top.
Sorry Libby, I caught you on that one. Re-read your post. Honor their wishes and “move on” to more important topics like jobs and the economy. Clinton kept saying the same thing when he was caught in a huge scandal with Monica. He wanted to concentrate on the nation’s business so the press needed to just “move on” to other business. Of course, back then we still had a press and they could not refrain from making a big deal out of a juicy scandal and him lying to a Federal Grand Jury about it. By the way, your President is fond of saying we shouldn’t jump to conclusions. He said that about the Ft Hood shooting that an avowed Muslim did and also the Christmas Day underwear bomber who failed to blow up the plane over Sargent’s home town. We are tired of the excuses and tired of the lying. We would show respect if the truth were told to the people instead of the incessant lying.
I guess you did catch me there, Agent. However, until all the facts are in, you can not say they are lying about it. And the Commander-in-Chief took full responsibility for the attack in Tuesday night’s debate. He did pretty good, didn’t he?
And as far as lying, the fact checkers have found more untruths on your guy’s side than mine. Obama won that debate hands down. Now, on to do the same thing at the polls. Gobama!
Yes there is. Now Barack is keeping his distance from JR & SR.
Truth is out. Extra security was requested. It was denied. Current administration tried to blame it on some hack U Tube video. It seems it was based on the hatred to our nation. Now, they are making Hillary take the fall.
You guys are watching too much Sean Hannity. Just to give it some perspective, let’s not forget on whose watch 9/11 happened and what happened with those pesky WMD’s…
Hannity Trots Out Donald Rumsfeld To Help Turn Benghazi Into Watergate
Posted by Ellen 70.80pc on October 16, 2012 · Flag
If anything should discredit Fox’s attempts to turn Benghazi into Watergate, it’s their use of Donald Rumsfeld to throw stones of foreign policy blunders and cover-ups from his Iraq “Weapons of Mass Destruction” glass house. Not that that would ever be mentioned on “fair and balanced” Fox. In fact, I can’t recall even a scintilla of the interest in the false premises used by the George W. Bush administration to invade Iraq as there is in fingerpointing against the Obama administration before the Benghazi investigation has been completed. So it looks like a twofer for Fox in trotting out Rumsfeld to attack Obama. On the one hand, it looks like an authoritative attack coming from a former Secretary of Defense that Fox viewers saw little to no questioning of his credibility. At the same time, it helps boost that cred by disappearing those black marks on his record.
It was clear Sean Hannity had called up Rumsfeld last night to discredit a statement from Hillary Clinton that “The buck stops here,” with regard to security of diplomats. Why? Not because Hannity gives a fig about their security or how it’s managed – I have yet to see him discuss, much less air a report, on the safety of any living State Department personnel – but because he’s gunning for the top spot on the Democratic food chain.
Rumsfeld did not disappoint. He spoke as if both a White House cover up and guilt were a certainty. “The buck with respect to providing security is certainly within her area of responsibility (but) the way the White House has tried to cover this up… the responsibility for that as well as the responsibility for the Secretary Of State not providing appropriate security does in fact fall to the president.”
Hannity said, “This does not make this go away by any stretch of the imagination.” He was so enthusiastic, he has apparently forgotten (for now, anyway), his latest old video that he was certain would finally persuade the country that Obama’s a racist. But maybe Hannity understood that calling the president a racist at the same time that you’re trying to accuse him of a foreign policy failure cover up might well put a crimp in one’s gravitas.
“This is just one thing,” Rumsfeld said, referring to Benghazi. He went on to attack the rest of the Obama administration’s foreign policy, including Iraq.
Hannity could barely contain the excitement in his voice as he “asked,” “If the White House lied and purposely lied to the American people and were trying to cover this up… what does that mean in terms of… potential political fall out for this president? Seems to me that this goes much deeper than an election with a orchestrated cover up?”
This is not the first time Fox has called on Rumsfeld to attack Obama on national security. So I’ve got an idea: How about Romney finding a place for him on his national security team? How well do you think that would go down with the general public? Something tells me that despite Fox’s best efforts, they won’t be able to disappear Rumsfeld’s record:
Rumsfeld said he knew where the WMD’s were:
MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Finally, weapons of mass destruction. Key goal of the military campaign is finding those weapons of mass destruction. None have been found yet. There was a raid on the Answar Al-Islam Camp up in the north last night. A lot of people expected to find ricin there. None was found. How big of a problem is that? And is it curious to you that given how much control U.S. and coalition forces now have in the country, they haven’t found any weapons of mass destruction?
SEC. RUMSFELD: Not at all. If you think—let me take that, both pieces—the area in the south and the west and the north that coalition forces control is substantial. It happens not to be the area where weapons of mass destruction were dispersed. We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.
Rumsfeld said the U.S. invasion would be welcomed by Iraqis.
Lehrer: Do you expect the invasion, if it comes, to be welcomed by the majority of the civilian population of Iraq?
Rumsfeld: There’s obviously the Shia population in Iraq and the Kurdish population in Iraq have been treated very badly by Saddam Hussein’s regime, they represent a large fraction of the total. There is no question but that they would be welcomed. Go back to Afghanistan, the people were in the streets playing music, cheering, flying kites, and doing all the things that the Taliban and the Al-Qaeda would not let them do. Saddam Hussein has one of the most vicious regimes on the face of the earth. And the people know that.
Rumsfeld doubted the Iraq war would last even six months.
“It is unknowable how long that conflict will last. It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months.”
Nice one, Rummsey.
Moreover, here’s what Bush’s great Secretary of State did:
During the summer of 2001, Rice met with CIA Director George Tenet to discuss the possibilities and prevention of terrorist attacks on American targets. On July 10, 2001, Rice met with Tenet in what he referred to as an “emergency meeting”[43] held at the White House at Tenet’s request to brief Rice and the NSC staff about the potential threat of an impending al Qaeda attack. Rice responded by asking Tenet to give a presentation on the matter to Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Attorney General John Ashcroft. On September 11, 2001, Rice was scheduled to outline a new national security policy that included missile defense as a cornerstone and played down the threat of stateless terrorism.
When asked about the meeting in 2006, Rice asserted she did not recall the specific meeting, commenting that she had met repeatedly with Tenet that summer about terrorist threats. Moreover, she stated that it was “incomprehensible” to her that she had ignored terrorist threats two months before the September 11 attacks.
Great stuff! Do you really want to continue this ridiculous barrage on Obama about Libya???
With OBAma, it began and ended with his Health Care bill. To me, everything else is just icing on the cake – hoping it swings the undecided.
What every president did from Washington right on up to OBama does not matter to me. Its all the past. So, keep your facts and figures comeing from George. He is gone, done.
What matters is the future.
Romney says he will kick the health care bill.
And why do we send women to deal with the Mid East anyways? They have no respect for women. Bush included in that line of reasoning. In sales, we put ourselves in the best possible situation to close the deal. Current nor former president seems to adapt that simple principle. Why not????
BTW, no one knows if it is ridiculous. As you pointed out, the facts are not in as the investigation is ongoing. Could be dead on or could be just like an Il politician when he says he speaks the truth.
Libby, Before 9/11/01, America had not been attacked on our soil since Pearl Harbor in 1941. Slick Willy had some trouble with the USS Cole, Kobar Towers, embassies in Africa so he felt compelled to bomb an aspirin factory in Sudan and send some Cruise Missiles to blow up some jungle jims in Afghanistan. Bin Laden was offered to him on a silver platter and he did nothing. Now, his wife gets caught up in this scandal and has to fall on her sword for the annointed one. It is funny, I don’t recall Bush blaming Clinton for 4 years or eight years for the mess he inherited. He correctly identified the perpetrators and said he would go after them for killing thousands of our citizens. I remember your side actually agreeing with him and Congress gave him an overwhelming vote of confidence for taking action. You can quit with the barrage on Bush & Rice. By the way, that Rice has a whole lot more brains than your Rice and her shameful defense of this President and blaming a Youtube video instead of telling the truth.
Libby, It has been over a month now. It seems we all know the facts except for this President and his administration. Perhaps he didn’t know the facts because he was too busy to attend the briefings and campaigning and fund raising was more important. A real President would have convened the National Security Council to deal with a most serious breach of security which led to the deaths of our Ambassador and 3 more. He would have called Hilary on the carpet immediately to explain herself and her underlings behavior and incompetence and why requests for more security were turned down. By the way, your guy leads the league in untruths and has been for 4 years. At best, the debate was a stand off. I wonder why Romney is still surging in the polls if he lost the debate. He should continue to press on the Foreign policy at the next debate. He sure has a lot of ammunition.
He may well have called Hilary on the carpet. As any good manager knows, you do not do that in a public forum. It would have been in private and made public after the investigation is complete.
As far as your surge is concerned, the polls do not yet contain data to include the days after the debate. They are usually based on a 3-day average and the debate was Tuesday night.
Romney knows nothing about foreign policy and I expect him to fall flat on his face Monday.
Called her to the carpet??? He threw her under the buss.
I happen to remember him standing up at the last debate taking full responsibility for the situation. Or did you not watch again?
You are right FFA. He threw her and the CIA under the bus. I don’t know about you, but I don’t want an investigation taking 6 months to discover what we already know. This administration just wants to “move on” to other issues while dodging the problem. The poor guy at the debate asked a specific question about Libya and the President just answered in platitudes about our brave diplomats. How about telling the truth for a change? He would prefer we just accept his answer that this was a “bump in the road” and the investigation is ongoing. That doesn’t cut it with the American People. Libby thinks Romney doesn’t know anything about Foreign Policy. Her President has had the most disastrous foreign policy in 4 years than the previous 10 Presidents. I thought Jimmy Carter was bad. He looks competent by comparison.
Agent, you can’t be serious. Dubya did more harm overseas than any other president in history. Everybody hated us after he finally left office. Obama has had to fly around the world with a giant pooper scooper to clean up the mess. Now we are, once again, held in high esteem by our allies. And the Middle East continues to be the Middle East. Most of those countries will smile to your face while they stab you in the back. They can’t be trusted no matter who is in office. It’s a delicate balancing act dealing with them and he has done very well. We’re not in any new wars. Dubya started 2.
FFA, I am afraid Manning looked a lot like Romo in the first half last night and I lost interest in it at 24-0. I came back to it in the second half and it became a game again. Rivers played the Romo roll in the second half. I lost track of how many interceptions he threw. I am not enamored with Norv Turner’s coaching since he apparently can’t keep his team motivated with a lead. I am not sure how he keeps his job out there. By the way, I don’t think we have seen the last of Tebow. He may yet replace Sanchez in NY if Sanchez continues to mess up. Tebow has performed well in limited opportunities. He is a horse.
Two fumbled punts lead to two scores for San Diego. As far as Norv goes, he is Rons brother (former O cord from the bears that ran the most predictable o in the universe). So, not surprising, I agree. Agree Sanchez sucks. Agree Tebow is waiting for Sanchez to complete the fall.
Still love Elway. One of the best in the Biz.
Who you pulling for in the NL.
But FFA, you said:
“Truth is out. Extra security was requested. It was denied. Current administration tried to blame it on some hack U Tube video. It seems it was based on the hatred to our nation. Now, they are making Hillary take the fall.”
I agree the investigation is still ongoing and we shouldn’t be arguing over it, YET.
I dont know what to believe any more. I see the news. I (wrongfully) believe what I hear on the local news. I am trying to ignore all the election crap. This one has become an embarrasment to our nation. Noting but negative, negative and more negative. Sleeze and mud slinging then throw in more BS out of both their mouths. Watching Biden made me wonder how this Good Ole Boy would fare in the back woods of WI while hunting. Someone would be tempted to have an accident. I will be happy when its over. I will be even happier if OBama Care is taken off the books.
With whats going on in my personal life (way more then you can imagine) I am bound to get something wrong. I’ll admit that. Shits so confused in my world right now, I knew my wife Bday was the 14th. I just didnt know the 14th was Sunday. So, ignore my ramblings as you so choose. I am sure your fact checking is correct.
I’ll enjoy the foot ball season, vote against OBoma and pray this health care crap gets kicked by the end of the year!
GO BEARS!
Libby, It has come to light that the State Dept was watching the attack in real time per the drone for 6 hours. Is it criminal for someone not to notify Hilary who in turn would notify the President that our consulate was under attack? Why was the National Security Council not convened in the White House? Why did this President go to the UN 2 weeks after the fact and proclaim it was the video and not Al Quida? Why has he not asked for Hilary’s resignation along with high level underlings who were this incompetent after we lost our Ambassador + three others? The primary duty of a President is to protect us from all enemies, both foreign and domestic. That was my oath when I went into the service. This is a really big deal and the next debate will be dealing with all the lies, distortions and parsing of words of this administration. They are not worthy of our trust on this or any other issue in my opinion.
Agent, the answer is simple. He has not had a knee-jerk reaction and started firing people because THE INVESTIGATION IS ON-GOING. I know you are from Texas and you’re used to the way Dubya did things, but jumping the gun is not any way for a President and Commander-in-Chief to react. IN ANY SITUATION. If it’s appropriate to call people on the carpet or even fire them, I’m sure he will have no problem doing that – when the time comes and not before.
Poor Norv, he is not too good at adjusting to changing conditions and what the other team is doing. He just stands there with a puzzled look on his face. Back in the day, he was Jimmy Johnson’s Offensive coordinator at Dallas. They ran a predictable offense, but had the horses to do it with so they won. He is a very average head coach and is headed to another average season. I agree that Elway was one of the greatest and could make something out of nothing when he was at his peak and led many comebacks for wins. In the NL, I hope SF does it since ST Louis broke the Rangers heart last year. Once you get past all the goofy beards they sprout, they have some good players. In the AL, I think the Yankees are toast with Jeter gone and perhaps Sargents team will come through.
Back you head out of the equation. Who in your heart do you want to win?
I believe the Yanks are toast too – not fo rthe same reason. They have a former Cub as their manager. So, I cheer for the Underdog over there in the AL. Jeter being out? Make me cheer harder for them as they have two major obstacles.
But yet – Sarge has a Tripple Crown Winner on deck. Guess I am going to have to cheer for a great game!
In the NL, cheering for San Fran. Why? Jimmy Harbaugh is in the other stadium in town. Turned a wasted draft pick into something.
FFA, I really want the Tigers to win it all since I am an American League guy and it would be great to see Sargent’s team win. The City of Detroit doesn’t have much going for it except for the Tigers. They have the triple crown winner and one of the best pitchers in Verlander. I think 27 world titles are enough for the Yankees. Time to go home for the winter. They can buy Hamilton in the off season and make it back next year.
Well, I want to see a good series.
FFA, The last debate is Foreign Policy tonight. I know the economy and jobs is the number one issue and Romney is solidly ahead on that, but Foreign Policy is a big issue since the country’s security is at stake from radical Islam. We need a President who will restore respect, stop apologizing to radicals that want to behead us and call their acts what they are. For a President to proclaim that the death of the Ambassador and 3 others as not “Optimal” is despicable at best. Where is the outrage? Mr. Cool just pronounced the incident as a “bump in the road”. I am sure the Ambassador’s family really liked that statement. Brian Terry’s family is still waiting for justice for their son as well. Oops! The records are hidden in the White House. I wonder if they have been burned in the fireplace yet. Holder will require one of many pardons when Obama exits the White House.
Its been well publicized oBamas acceptance of the murders along with his willingness to keep sending our hard earned tax dollars to these killers of American citizens not to mention the disrespect he showed towards women when he tossed Hillary under the buss. Romney plays his cards right, oBama should be done.
I’ll be watching a different debate that hit closer to home for me -Chicago vs Detroit. Looking for Brandon and Jay to shred Sarges secondary to pieces tonigt. Brandon is on my FF team and I am on the verge of high points.
I really do like Lovie. His even keel demenor seems to not do well in this town, but he just keeps on winning. At the end of the day, thats all its about. He would be a great role model for any one.
Anyone that says “trust me” as many times as Biden did should not be trusted. This sad sorry debacle on tv last night was a sad commentary. Jerry Springer in Prime time. Biden was so disrespectfull – 82 time is what is being reported – interuppted what Ryan was saying. Of course, what should you expect from a Good Ol Boy?
His famous line is “You are a liar” – God Luv ya! Joe was being Joe. He is one filthy politician who has been in the public spotlight far too long. Time to go back to the Delaware farm for good and your boss to Hawaii.
I got the feeling that he was talking down to anyone younger then him. His smirk. His demeanor. One of them smart a@# people you just want to shove something in his mouth so you dont have to hear him any more. At least, Ryan let him finish what he was saying.
Dont care what the press says, in my opinion, Biden lost what little respect he had in my eyes.
Playing the blame game on Libbya – what an ass.
God luv ya Joe is right. He’s great!
FFA, Obama not only threw Hilary under the bus, but the CIA as well. Both she and Petraeus cannot be happy campers. I saw one report that the CIA station chief did send a cable to the White House about this attack and it went unheeded. I hope this all comes out and Romney hits a home run tonight. This administration has such a bad record on everything, they cannot spin their way out of it. It is time the truth was revealed. We have incompetents in charge including the smartest woman on the planet. She has no excuses either.
The last question in the debate really made me want to puke. They get told that through the eyes of a Vet, the mud slinging is just sleezy. So what do they do, they both turn it into a chance to throw more mud.
Taxpayer, I agree the poor only receive a small sliver of the pie compared to the giant corporations. But that’s exactly what Obama and Biden want! That way, you’ll be beholden to them only, asking for relief!
Bills, the Democratic Party aka Progressive Socialist Party is in the business of making the society more dependent on government, keeping the populace dumbed down so they will believe a slogan rather than the truth and taxing and spending the country into bankruptcy. That is a sure fire formula for reducing the greatest country the world has ever seen down to the level of Venezuela.
Agent, you are ridiculous. They have no motive for wanting a dependant society and bankrupting the country. Please, at the very least, get a coherent argument that makes sense. You don’t agree with their economics, their foreign policy. I get that. But all this other nonsense is just that, nonsense.
Libby, What part of Dependent Society do you not understand? We have more people on foodstamps than at any part of the country’s history and it has almost doubled in the past 4 years. More on welfare, Social Security Disability and we have annual Trillion dollar plus deficits with almost $6Trillion in the last 4 years. Is that coherent enough for you? This country has been in a death spriral for the past 5 years and your guy is making it worse by the day. It is a good thing he has less than a month to rule and then we can start the process of recovery under a real leader.
The reason we have more people on assistance right now is because of Wall Street greed and not because Democrats want to keep us dependant and bankrupt the country.
Now tell me you don’t agree with that and then we’ll argue the cause of the greed on Wall Street.
I’ll be glad to tell you I don’t agree with that since you only touched on the tip of the iceberg. Politicians on both sides of the aisle, primarily liberal Democrats set the stage for the housing debacle by not watching Fannie & Freddie and allowing people to have mortgages who had no hope of paying for them. It was bound to implode and cause the economic problems we have experienced. Wall Street took advantage of the situation by peddling all the bad sub prime paper. Your guy has taken this country to a new level of dependency. Instead of focusing on the economy and job recovery, he spent 18 months on ramming Obamacare down our throats. Don’t bother to tell me the Stimulus created good, permanent private sector jobs. It was all about political payoffs to State, County and city governments to keep their spending levels up. Of course, they blew right through their money and most are still broke or about to be. This administration has done just the opposite of what needed to be done to recover this economy. The proof is in the pudding. A growth rate of an average of 1.3% is no recovery at all and business is not going to hire until the government is changed out.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. The CRA had nothing to do with the financial crises and some very intelligient people in the know agreed with me:
A study, by a legal firm which counsels financial services entities on Community Reinvestment Act compliance, found that CRA-covered institutions were less likely to make subprime loans (only 20-25% of all subprime loans), and when they did the interest rates were lower. The banks were half as likely to resell the loans to other parties.[21]
Federal Reserve Governor Randall Kroszner says the CRA isn’t to blame for the subprime mess, “First, only a small portion of subprime mortgage originations are related to the CRA. Second, CRA-related loans appear to perform comparably to other types of subprime loans. Taken together… we believe that the available evidence runs counter to the contention that the CRA contributed in any substantive way to the current mortgage crisis,” Kroszner said: “Only 6% of all the higher-priced loans were extended by CRA-covered lenders to lower-income borrowers or neighborhoods in their CRA assessment areas, the local geographies that are the primary focus for CRA evaluation purposes.”[22]
FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair disputes that the CRA was a problem. In a 2008 speech delivered to The New America Foundation conference, Bair remarked, “Let me ask you: where in the CRA does it say: make loans to people who can’t afford to repay? No-where! And the fact is, the lending practices that are causing problems today were driven by a desire for market share and revenue growth … pure and simple.
GREED. Pure and simple. Not democratic policy.
As far as Fannie and Freddie are concerned:
More than 84 percent of the subprime mortgages came from private lending institutions in 2006 and the share of subprime loans insured by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac decreased as the bubble got bigger (from a high of insuring 48 percent to insuring 24 percent of all subprime loans in 2006). Despite conservative criticism for government lending programs as the main cause of the crisis, much of the crisis was independent of government home loan programs.
Economist Paul Krugman has also argued in July 2008 that although the GSE are “problematic institutions,” they played a small role in the crisis because they were legally barred from engaging in subprime lending. Economist Russell Roberts has taken issue with Krugman’s contention that the GSEs did not engage in subprime lending, citing a June 2008 Washington Post article which stated that “[f]rom 2004 to 2006, the two [GSEs] purchased $434 billion in securities backed by subprime loans, creating a market for more such lending.” Furthermore, a 2004 HUD report admitted that while trading securities that were backed by subprime mortgages was something that the GSEs officially disavowed, they nevertheless participated in the market. However, in 2011, the Federal Reserve, using statistical comparisons of geographic regions which were and were not subject to GSE regulations finds that GSEs played no significant role in the subprime crisis. In the final analysis, those who seek to deflect criticism of Fannie Mae and Fredie Mac by pointing out that private lenders eventually issued most of the worst performing loans ignore the primary role that the GSE’s played in expanding the use of subprime loans.
Just trying to be fair minded and balanced. I showed both sides of the coin on Freddie and Fannie to illustrate both sides have a valid argument. I know which side you are on.
Libby, the roots of the sub prime mess is like a many headed monster. Politicians going back to the Clinton Administration bought into the notion that everyone should enjoy home ownership and put in policies to make that happen. In addition, groups like Acorn and others demonstrated outside banks to force the issue. We had Bawney and Chris saying Fannie & Freddie were sound even though all the evidence pointed toward big trouble and they were warned several times. Then, we had the asleep at the switch SEC not monitoring all the bad paper trades going on and doing something about it. You can make all the excuses you want to about liberal politicians, but the facts are they are the reason all this happened and they are the cause of the meltdown. I blame both sides for not representing We the People.
If you blame both sides for not representing the people, how can you say it’s all the Democrats fault for the meltdown? You’re right, it’s a many-headed monster, but it’s root cause is greed. Yes, the government discouraged redlining and encouraged homeownership in low income areas. It’s proven that people who own their home are more likely to take care of the property and neighborhood in which they live.
Government, however, did not tell banks to forgo underwriting guidelines and lend money to any and all comers. Nowhere did they say that or endorse that. That was the greed part. And it came from all sides.
I dis agree. Its because once people see how easy it is to stay on assistance, they come to the conclusion “Why bother working when I can just stick my hand out?”. The current system breeds laziness. It enables the lazy asses to take advantage of what was supposed to be a helping hand to get back on their feet.
The health care law will out in peoples mind – Why Bother buying it until I need it? The petty nusiance fine? Mot enough motivation for them people.
Hi FFA. As you can see, I have had some bouts with Libby today about the Entitlement Society she believes in so fervently. She wants to blame the greedy bankers for all of it and I blame the sleazy crooked politicians for starting the ball rolling and passing so much disastrous legislation that created the system that is in full swing. Margaret Thatcher said it best when she said the problem with Socialism is that soon you run out of other peoples money. Progressive Socialism is a mental disease and I am afraid poor Libby has a fatal case of it. Perhaps it will be covered under Obamacare if she can find a doctor to treat it.
I can see. I’ve made a concentrated effort to stay off IJ for the time being as I need to refocus back on Biz. I get so agrivated with some of the stuff that gets posted. I lose my focus in the offfice and business hurts. Cant watch the news without somethign else coming out – Jesse Jr has a second criminal investigation going on now.
What does the banking crises have to do with entitlements, Agent? You just throw out the same tired lines hoping they’ll make some sense, but they never do.
If boneheadedness is a disease, then I think you might be afflicted. And I can pretty much guarantee there is no cure for you. You are too far gone.
I said Progressive politicians from both sides of the aisle Libby. Try these on for ringleaders. Bawny Frank, Chris Dodd, Charlie Rangel, Maxine Waters, Barbara Jackson Lee, Chuck Schumer,Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Patti Murray and your favorite President were primarily the instigators of the disastrous legislation which has led us to the mess we are in. There are a couple hundred more that could be named or they were coerced into voting for much of it.
Negative.
Libby, I guess you are disappointed that I named Democrats. I will throw you a bone and name John McCain and his joined at the hip mate Lindsey Graham who are RINO’s to the extreme. I don’t have much use for them either. They are part of the problem, not the solution.
My negative is in response that legislation brought this on. It did not. Crooked, sleazy, and greedy bankers are the cause. Abolishing redlining was a good thing for those neighborhoods that desparately needed homeownership to build the community.
I know friends of mine that lived comfortably in a $250,000 house, but when the money started flowing they went out a purchased a $450,000 house. And there are plenty other stories out there like that. People buying RV’s, cars and boats they couldn’t afford, just because the capital was available. Any banker worth their salt had to know these loans were not sustainable, but they went forward with them becase, guess what? They made money by loaning money to people that could not afford to pay it back. It’s immoral and these people should be stripped of all the millions they made doing it.
By all means Libby, let’s not blame all the sleazy, crooked politicians who have been in office far too long and passed far too much liberal legislation and failed the people miserably for the past 30 years. They have practiced legalized stealing from the people for decades and more than half of the ones I named should be sitting in a jail cell next to Madoff. The government has failed us and they have bailed out banks because the banks knew that they would be deemed “Too big to fail” and would get taxpayer money. AIG is the poster child to the tune of $182 Billion for their credit default swap schemes. Why aren’t the leaders of this fiasco in jail right now for fraud? It is because our politicians don’t want the info coming out about their contributors, many of them the crony buddies of the politicians.
Let’s put the blame where the blame belongs. By all means, crooked, sleazy politicians are to blame for alot of things. But not this one. This one was caused by greedy, crooked, sleazy bankers.
I’m going to work now. C U all after 05:00.
I see where Joe learned his manners from.
FFA, The President wants us to accept the “new normal” regarding gasoline and energy costs. Remember him saying when he was running the first time that under his plan, energy costs would necessarily skyrocket. When we have $4.00-5.00 gas prices across the country, every good and service goes up because of energy costs to bring the goods to market. It is reflected in the price of everything we buy. Romney cannot make gasoline go down to $1.84 overnight, but with a commitment to develop our resources, bring in Keystone, the supply will increase and we will see a drop in gasoline prices. I could hardly believe my ears when he said the reason why gas prices were low when he assumed office was that we were in the midst of a recession. That is about as convoluted as it gets for an explanation. The real reason he likes high prices on fuel is that he collects a lot more taxes to further the agenda. No wonder Romney is surging in the polls.
“Surging – to increase strongly and suddenly; especially to make a sudden concerted rush in a particular direction ”
You must be reading different polls than I am. They haven’t even been tallied after the debate, so it’s too soon to know it’s effect. Just sit tight. We’re in for a surge in the other direction.
For every pro Romney pool, there is a pro OBummer poll.
I open my doors (email)this morning and first thing on the agenda is cancelling two lessors risk policies that they have lost to forclosure. That makes three of my former clients closing their doors due to this mess. Another business right up the road that employed more then 20 and used countless local contractors closed.
Corruption has hit my local mayors office.
4 more years of this???? You have to be brain dead to not see whats going on under obama not to mention his foreign policy, his give a way style.
FFA, I really emphathize with you living in the most corrupt city in the most corrupt state in the union. The latest travesty to hit the news is that the great state of Illinois has been paying unemployment benefits to prisoners in several jails around the state to the tune of $2million. I guess crime really pays there. Sit on your butt, get three squares, access to healthcare and on top of that get unemployment benefits from the state. How did your state go so wrong? How can the citizens keep electing such bad people?
And just what does Romney know about foreign policy? Or does he have a binder full of diplomats, too? The guy is an elitist, sexist, hypocrital flip-flopper. He bends to the political wind like a reed. Obama has made progress, it just takes time. If you were expecting miracles, your guy died on the cross 2012 years ago. Romney will do nothing but set us back in our ways and the rich will get richer. Since neither of us are rich, I can’t believe you would vote for him. You must hate Bert & Ernie…
Its a way of life in Chicago. Chicago runs the state. Quinn won every county except three (may be wrong so fact checkers – have at it) – but he won Crook County.
And Libby, I dont know what he does or doesnt know about Foreign policy. OBama Care was the deciding factor for me. President Give A Way has got to go for any hope of recovery any time soon.
OBama will have to answer at some point in time for what ever his involvement with Blago was. You folks outside Il have no idea how bad things are here. And thos is where he cut his teeth in the most corrupt county in the most corrupt state.
As far as the debate goes, both were just rude – constantly interrupting each other. Another sad display of the options availible.
Bert & Ernie dont feed my family, pay my mortgage, the excessive prices we pay for gas. Commercial Clients do. When Commercial Clients close their doors, it hurts.
My daughter just got something in the mail stating her lazy ass is going to get more give a way money furthering her belief that she dont have to get a job, just stick her hand out. 500,000 more women out of work then there were 4 years ago? Wonder why. HMMMMM.
Before you, or any one for that matter, goes to vote, ask your self – Do I really want an Ill Politician at the highest level of Govt there is?
Chicago has been like that since the days of Al Capone, but Obama is not from Illinois. He moved there when he was hired to be a community organization and he’s done alot of good for the area.
I hardly think it fair that you link him to corrupt politics in your state as there is no evidence of that. It is pure speculation and conjecture which borders on slander.
We have all lost commercial business lately, but Obamacare is not the reason for it. It hasn’t even kicked in yet.
And what was that crack about women out of work all about? Are you saying we’re lazy and want to sit on our asses waiting for a hand-out?
No. I did not say that. Romney cited a stat that there are 500,000 more women out of work today then there were 4 years ago. Thats what I am saying. Nothing more. Nothing less. Just that. Just that only. Nothing but that. I’m old school. No hidden meaning. Nothing moren the exactly what I typed. I stated my daughter is a lazy ass. One lazy ass does not imply all women are lazy asses. Hell, the fathers of her children – men – are scum bag dead beats. One hass dropped off the edge of the earth. Has not been heard from for quit some time. The other at least calles once a week or so. That dont mean all men are lay ass scum bags so dont read anything into it that is not there.
If anything, I am saying the job market sucks and is getting worse every day.
OK. I jumped the gun on that one. Sorry. The job market, and the market overall, in fact is improving. Not by leaps and bounds, but there is recovery started. That has been confirmed by fact checkers after the debate. Jobs have been created and I am actually seeing alot of real estate movement and A/P audits coming through.
Libby, Good going. You have no legitimate argument about your President so you do what other liberal Progressives do and demonize and call Romney names. You shouldn’t cast stones if you live in a glass house. Your President is the Elitist in Chief. Name one other President who has taken 17 vacations to the tune of $10 million on our dime in a four year period. Who spends hundreds of thousands of our tax dollars to take his wife to NY to see a Broadway show for “Date Night”? As far as it taking time, I agree that it will take time to reverse the damage done in the past 4 years. A good start is to reverse all the Executive Orders and dismantle the EPA then move on to ridding ourselves from Obamacare. A good house cleaning of departments and agencies would be most appropriate. It is time for fiscal responsibility, cutting taxes and spending at the same time. It has been the tonic for recovery everytime it has been done.
Now I know you are talking out of your ass, Agent. Obama has taken a total of 26 vacation days since taking office.
“President Reagan, in 1981, spent all or part of 42 days away from the White House “on vacation” at his home in Santa Barbara, Calif, according to Knoller. President Reagan and his wife, Nancy, also spent three or four days around New Year’s Day each year in Palm Springs, Calif., at the home of philanthropist Walter Annenberg. (In 1993 the late Mr. Annenberg founded the nonpartisan Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania, which is FactCheck.org’s parent organization.)
President George W. Bush spent even more time away from the presidential mansion in the nation’s capital than Reagan. Of the 77 total “vacation” trips the former president made to his Texas ranch while in office, nine of them — all or part of 69 days — came during his first year as president in 2001, according to Knoller.”
George Bush took more vacation time in ONE year than Obama has taken in four. Three times as many.
And you begrudge him a date night with his wife. That’s absurd. Talk about grasping at straws and demonizing! That takes the cake.
Sorry. That was 26 days in his first year. Still 1/3 of the number Dubya took. Just sayin.
During the Debate, he referred to Chicago as his hme town. He owns a home there.
Job market is getting no better here at all. Fact is, it sucks.
I dis agree with agent on the order. Obama care first and formost. China Trade Agreement next. The NAFTA. Oh, and cut off all foreign aid to the mid east terrorist nations. Every penny.
And yes Libby. the state of Il – Chicago & Cook County in particular have been a hot bed of corruption for ever. Thats where OBama cut his political teeth – under Blag, pals with Resco & Levine and Jr & Sr. He surronded him self with corrupt people.
Ever hear the expression – Birds of a feather? He is hiding something with Blago & that Senate Seat He is not denying anything. He hid behind Executive Privilage as did his cronie Rahm. How his cronie doing on stopping violent crime? He dismantled the Gang Task Force right away. Murder rate spiked. Looks to me like daley had that right.
Libby, the so called binder comment you made about Romney was as distorted as it gets. The binder Romney was provided was from a women’s group so he could hire more women in Massachusetts since he found when he took office there was a scarcity of women working in the state. He wanted to hire more and did. So much for the war on women. The other crack about him not knowing foreign policy is a joke too. Look at your own leader and his foreign policy mistakes and apologies to the world. He even spent $70,000 of our dollars on a video apologizing for the video when the video had nothing to do with what happened in Libya. Romney has his advisors and he will show up to debate on Monday. Get ready for a butt whipping.
Agent, I wouldn’t expect a right-wing male to understand why that phrase was so offensive to women. I will paraphrase some quotes I read, as they illustrate much better than I could:
“Why did the phrase resonate? Because it was tone deaf, condescending, and out of touch with the actual economic issues that women are so bothered about.”
“The phrase objectified and dehumanized women. It played right into the perception that so many women have feared about a Romney administration–that a president Romney would be sexist and set women back.”
“Gosh, Romney’s suddenly in a binder–I mean bind.”
And, Agent, I know you don’t like my comments but since you are the only one voting it’s kind of meaningless to thumb me down at this point. You, FFA, and I are the only ones still following this one…
Not true. :)
I was waiting for another Libby hater to rise to the bait….
Not a Libby hater, just a freedom lover.
Im not a hater either. Just disagre with your politics.
I quit following this because Agent has disliked my comments so many time, all my posts are hidden. It’s impossible to know what I’ve said or not said up to now.
I know you are not a hater, FFA. You’re OK in my book.
Libby, You are the typical liberal feminist who is hypercritical of anything you see or hear a Conservative say or do. Making a big deal out of Gov Romney’s binder of women’s resume’s provided to him by a women’s group so that he could hire more women for Massachusetts State government goes beyond the pale. Where was he supposed to get the candidates for jobs, at the local unemployment office? Perhaps ACORN??? I thought feminists were all about advancing women’s jobs, equal pay etc. Romney had a good record of employing women in Massachusetts and he will advance job opportunities for women in the country as well. By the way, 500,000 less women in the workforce than 4 years ago under your President.
And you Agent, are the typical right-wing conservative that is hypercritical of anything you see or hear Obama do or say. Jumping on him for using the word “optimal” during an interview and then try to make into something negative is the same type of behavior.
The president’s “optimal” comment seemed to be a reference to Stewart’s characterization of the response, since he used the same word.
I guess you are trying to censor me by hiding all my comments. Typical right-wing behavior.
Guess I cna chat sports with agent now.
Yes FFA. I think Detroit will close out the Yankees in 4. Sargent should be real happy right about now. A World Series in Detroit will be good for the town.
I am liking their chances. I hope they get the economic boot from the series. From the news yesterday, I would be afraid to have a world series in NY right now.
But not afraid in Detroit???
Guess what Libby, Detroit is winning. Why would there be a lot of fear for a winning team? Of course it may be a different story if they win it all. Fans have been known to loot and riot in their celebrations in other cities. I am sure the Police will have a big presence at these games anyway.
FFA, As I suspected, the Tigers polished off the Yanks last night and will await either the Cardinals or Giants. The Cardinals are stronger than garlic so they will probably finish the Giants in their next game. It is interesting that the Yankees have 11 free agents, most of them will probably leave. Rodrigeuz has a no trade clause, but he will probably give them permission to shop his wares since he apparently wants out now. The Yankees will just go out and buy another bunch of players including Josh Hamilton for next year. They have the disposable income unlike most Americans.
Well Agent, I will be pulling for the Cards. They lost a significant amount of talent and their Manager and they are knocking on the door. Besides – A Mid West Series sounds kinda cool.
As far as A Rod goes, he got benched on the big stage. Going to be hard for someone to take a some one that chocks when he needs to be stepping up.
As far as Hamilton goes, the Rangers gave his a shot when no one else would. MAybe – jusy maybe there will be some loyalty there. If he dos go, I hope he stays out of the Central — NL & AL.
If the cards do make it, I guess I would want the Cards to win. No one in particular makes me feel as gushy inside. But to see a great series – thats what I am really cheering for.
Well FFA, the Cards haven’t closed the deal yet. The Giants are pesky and they aren’t going quietly into the night. Both teams broke the Rangers heart the last two years and they compete. It will come down to who has the best pitching in game 7.
A Rod is gone in NY. He has one of those no trade guaranteed contracts so I don’t know which team he will approve and what team can pick up the contract. He does have a good agent to negotiate deals like he has. I also think Hamilton is gone. The Rangers are not very good at keeping elite players once tehey reach a certain level. They all talk about enjoying their time playing there and then they sign somewhere else. Loyalty went away many years ago and seldom does a great player stay with their original team until retirement. The last one I remember was Cal Ripken with the Orioles and that was a while back.
There have been on bombing plots uncovered in Detroit that has made the Chicago news. Chicago, a few weeks back. Yesterday The Federal Reserve Bank in New York City.
The Great American Past Time being played on the biggest stage possibly in the owrld – Yankee Satdium. The whole world watching the World Series.
Damn right I am concerned.
Thank God they were caught and stopped. We all have reason to be concerned about these terrorist zealots.
Another point I think we can all agree on.
Now, cut the funding off to the mid east. Thats the foreign policy I want to hear.
FFA, I agree 100% that this country should cut off all Foreign Aid until our economy recovers. The Middle East should be first on the cut off list. How can they hate us anymore than they do already? On NY, they have a lot of experience with Terrorist plots and have a task force that does nothing but discovering plots and stopping them. Even as good as they are, they didn’t stop the Times Square bomber. They were very lucky on that one that the dufus Terrorist didn’t know how to set it off. Several hundred could have been killed in that congested area. Perhaps NY should be called in by Homeland Security to advise on how to discover and stop plots. Incompetano has no clue.
I don’t know enough about it to have an opinion on that one way or another. But certainly we shouldn’t be funding those countries that promote, shield, or encourage terrorism. Trouble is, you can’t tell who’s lying and who’s not. They’re slicker than snot over there.
Yep. Thats a problem her and now. Which one lies the least.
Romney said I’ll kick Obama Care. Enough for me.
I knew there had to be some reason for sending money to the Middle East. This is some of the information I found:
For policymakers, foreign assistance plays a key role in advancing U.S. foreign policy goals in
the Middle East. The United States has a number of interests in the region, ranging from support
for the state of Israel and Israel’s peaceful relations with its Arab neighbors, to the protection of
vital petroleum supplies and the fight against international terrorism. U.S. assistance helps to
maintain the 1979 peace treaty between Israel and Egypt and the continued stability of the
Kingdom of Jordan, which signed its own peace treaty with Israel in 1994. U.S. funding also
works to strengthen Palestinian institutions, and aid officials have worked to ensure that U.S. aid
to the West Bank and Gaza Strip is not diverted to terrorist groups. Since the attacks of September
11, 2001, the United States has established region-wide aid programs to promote democracy and
encourage socio-economic reform in order to undercut the forces of radicalism in some Arab
countries. -Congressional Research Service
It was 31 pages, so I didn’t read the whole thing. If you’re interested, the link is:
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL32260.pdf
But it won’t hurt my feelings if you’re not. :-)
Save the Liberal BS Libby and look at reality. In return for our aid to Egypt, they (Muslim Brotherhood) have pledged to wipe Israel off the map, just like Iran has said. They think we are as dumb as a doorknob. All they see us as is a money provider to further their agenda. The Palestinians have taken all our aid and the leaders have squirreled it away to buy arms or put it in Swiss Banks and the people still live like they have for hundreds of years. Anwar Sadat was an admired reformer and made peace with Israel and what did he get for his trouble? Assassination! We need to wake up and smell the coffee. These people mean to harm us and no amount of aid or diplomacy will do one iota of good.
It wasn’t liberal BS, Agent. It was only a sampling of some of the things we use our money in the Middle-East. It wasn’t meant as a political statement. Relax.
Libby, your detached elitist President went on the Jon Stewart program and said that the deaths of our Ambassador and 3 others was not “optimal”?????? This is over a month later and he still cannot get his act together. Also, he still thinks the two former Seals were part of the Ambassador’s security team. Information has come out that they were in Libya on a completely different assignment several miles away and only responded to the Terrorist attack at the consulate to help and it cost them their lives. Apparently, the Ambassador had almost no protection at all since requests for more protection were declined. This President did not convene the National Security Council, flew off on a fundraiser the day after and then said this incident was a “bump in the road”. This is the most horrible example of foreign policy buffoonery that I have seen in my adult lifetime. We have the wrong people in charge of our government and it will be rectified in a few weeks.
Screw the Mid East Libby. We have problems here on American Soil that needs our financial resources.
It’s fine if you believe it, but most people don’t. Stop all Middle Eastern aid!!
Libby, I have seen numerous articles over the years and interviews with Muslims on how they view us and what their goal is. They view any westerner, particularly Americans as “infidels” who will either be converted to Islam or killed. They are the most devious people on earth and think it is ok to lie or deceive us. They either sponsor or allow Terrorists to train in their country. This is not a religion of peace and tolerance. Every country that allows them to immigrate to that country is having big problems since they don’t assimilate into that society and immediately start demanding Sharia Law, honor killing to be approved etc. Ask anyone from Britain or other European countries how it is working for them. I worry about the growing presence in this country and how many mosques are being built to hide Terror cells in. They are just waiting for Jihad to be declared and they will wreak havoc everywhere they are. It is time this country woke up to the threat and no matter who is President, this will be a major thorn in this country’s side.
These are not Muslims you speak of. They are fanatical terrorists that don’t resemble the religion of Islam in the least. You can not lump all these people together with the small faction that wants to harm us. All Muslims do not think the same, just as all Catholics do not.
I understand there is a threat, but on the same hand whipping everyone into a frenzy will only cause more problems. Put your guns and spurs away for a minute and think for heavens sake!
This kind of biased, hate-filled crap is wrong and has no place in this country or any other country.
Libby, you take naivety to a new level. Our own military had a Muslim inbedded in the Army, the now infamous Major Hassan who famously shouted Allah Akbar when shooting our soldiers at Ft Hood. These terrorists have taken the teachings of the Quran to a new level and infidels are not to be tolerated. All of these incidents that have been happening here and abroad should wake you up to the threat, but you would prefer to hide your head in the sand. Our government keeps apologizing to them hoping they will make nice with us. The Muslim community in this country is afraid to condemn them for fear of being murdered. When we have a strong, peaceful community of Muslims standing up to the Jihadists and calling them for what they are, I will feel better about them. I am not holding my breath waiting for that to happen.
In my head, its not biased hate filled crap. Its fear. Its terror. Ther are terrorists. Thats what they do – strike fear and terror in our hearts, our minds, our souls.
On my visit to NYC, seeing the National Guard walking around the Sub Way was not very comforting. I wont go back there. I dont even like going into Chicago. Even Wriggley Ville. Maybe I’m just paranoid. But, the terrorists have done their job. Rural Wisconsin sounding better and better.
You are right FFA. They have gotten in the heads of our government and the people. Everyone is afraid of offending Islam for fear of reprisal. Our Apoligist in Chief actually spent $70,000 of our taxpayer dollars to apologize for the video and didn’t offer protection to our Ambassador after it was requested several times. I think the priorities are a little off, don’t you?
You can call me naive. At least I don’t live in fear every day, which I refuse to do. If you do that, they have won.
And I haven’t stuck my head in the sand. I have just put things in perspective. There are millions of Muslims in the world and only a minute fraction are fanatical terrorists. By saying all Muslims are like that is biased and hate-filled and is crap.
Agent, do you even know what the word jihad means? It means struggle. When used in the Quran, it is usually linked to the phrase “striving in the way of God”.
Overall, Islam is a religion of peace, but a select faction of Muslims has twisted their idea of “the way of God” to include killing all infidels. And yes, they mean to kill us. But it’s not the norm.
So quit with the fear-mongering, a common tactic of the far-right used to force their political agenda. We’re not buying it.
Hail Libby, the defender of Islam as the religion of peace and tolerance. If you were living in a Muslim country, you would be treated as the man’s property, would have to share him with several other wives, not be allowed to drive, speak out or go out on your own, vote in many places and would be stoned to death as an honor killing if you had an affair. This religion was born and bred in the early middle ages and I just cited the better side of it. The Jihadists take it a step further and say infidels must be annihilated.
Agent, you just continue to show the world your narrow-minded, completely biased, intolerant, and downright hate-filled contempt for those who are not like you. I am not a Muslim, I just choose to open my mind to learn about things before condemning them. You should try it sometime. You might learn something.
Libby, Can you cite one country that the Muslims have been allowed to immigrate to where they accept the laws of that country and not try to change it to Sharia Law? Even in this country, they are trying to do that and don’t recognize our Constitution. It is perfectly ok for them to honor kill a daughter if she looks at an infidel boy. They live in their own community, make their women wear those horrible clothes and cover their faces. It may be ok in the Middle East, but not here. We need to offer them a one way ticket back to the country of origin. This is the USA, not Libya.
The USA is made up of people that wear different clothes, have different customs, and speak different languages. I’m sure you have some traditions or customs that are particular to your family &/or heritage and that’s a good thing. Those things should be embraced and carried on in families.
In America you can wear whatever clothes you choose to wear and practice any religion you want. Have you forgotten why our founding fathers came here in the first place? What’s next Agent, let’s get rid of all people that don’t wear cowboy boots and own a gun like you?
Certainly they may believe in honor killing if they like, that’s not illegal. Carrying through with it however, is and they would be prosecuted for it the same as anyone else in this country.
Perhps Muslims have difficulty assimilating because of people like you that mock them, want them to change their cultures and traditions, wish to limit their ability to build houses of worship and basically, “offer them a one way ticket back to the country of origin.” Not a very nice way to treat people that are coming here in the very same way your family did at one time.
Maybe you’ll empathize a little with the Native Americans and how they felt at one time. No, probably not. You’re not very strong on empathy.
If you want to try it out, you could start by reading this link:
http://www.meforum.org/2107/europe-shifting-immigration-dynamic
Iran getting close to a Nuke. I live close enough to Fermi & Argon National Labs. I am sure both of them have at lease one Nuke pointed at them from somewhere in the world. Even if they set the thing off at the mid point, I am vaporized. To hear Biden & OBama say Economic sanctions – you got to be kidding me! Its Iran.
I am currently listening to Bruce Springsteen – The Rising. Always takes me back to the day the world changed. I would lay money down you know exactly what you were doing when you realized we were being attacked on our own soil. Iraq war had to happen. Afganistan had to happen. It appears that Iran and Libbya need to happen. But no, lets talk. We can trust them – right? After all they hate us, but not that much – right?
So lets play Joes game of who do you trust. Iran? OBama does. Libbya? Obama does. Egypt? oBama does.
I wont be watching this debate – Da Bears play Monday night. Interested to see the Nielsen ratings – Da Bears VS More political lies / deceit – BS TV.
FFA, Here is something near and dear to your heart since it is from Chicago/Cook Cty. I just read and article about your wonderful Toni Preckwinkle, Cook Cty Board President. She has solved the murder crisis in Chicago. They are going to tax each bullet sold a nickel and each firearm $25. That should solve everything, right? Every solution is a tax. Does anyone believe that will slow the thugs down since they buy on the black market anyway? In my view, it will slow down the law abiding citizen who seeks to defend himself. Toni sounds about as bright as Rhambo Deadfish. The article stated Chicago has had 409 murders year to date vs 324 for all last year.
Yep. I heard about that too. Another Tax that will hit law abiding citizens. There is a portion of Cook County Burbs trying to pull out of Crook County and form what would be known as Regan County. Its the big dollar burbs that will significantly hurt what remains. I dont think they are factoring in the thugs purchases.
Toni is actually not that bad in my opinion. They show her on the news in her office. I am better equipted then she is. When she took over, she didnt even paint the walls. Stroeger cleaned his stuff out. She got used furniture from a city warehouse. She is attempting to do her part. She may be one of the good ones. The murder rate has spiked – in my opinion – because Rahm dismanteled the Gang Task Force that Dailey put togeather. He is too arogant to admit his line of thinking was incorrect. With the recent court ruling that came down on the Occupy Chicago people, should clear the way for more gang activity.
Hey FFA, I saw another Chicago scandal today. It seems the Chicago Transit system has been receiving subsidies from the Feds to run the buses in the city for a long time. They have overbilled the Feds to the tune of $150 million over the past 10 years. They take corruption to a new level in this city. The question I have is – Is there anything that runs efficiently there and without corruption? It reeks! I hope you can move out to friendlier territory. I couldn’t stand to live in a place like that.
Oh Brother.
Did you find what happened in Dixon IL last year.
Oh, brother. Iran has only 20% of what it needs to build a bomb. They are nowhere near ready to have one, let alone have what they need to use it. And if you’ll remember the Iraq war started with sanctions and talks, too. That is the proper and responsible way to handle these issues. It’s not the wild, wild west anymore and we can’t just saddle up and kick some hiney whenever we want to. There are international laws that need to be abided by and allies that need to be won over. Don’t take no kick-ass reaction by Obama as inaction. You don’t know what’s going on behind closed doors and that’s the way it should be. Otherwise, we’d have to kill you! :-)
Libby, I think I prefer to believe the brilliant Benjamin Netanyahu over your liberal BS. He is right there and he has had the Mossad on this for years. When he says Iran is 80-90% there on building the bomb and they are working 24/7 to enrich uranium to build it, the world had better pay attention. If they could sneak in a suitcase bomb into Tel Aviv, it could just about destroy the city. Keep on hiding your head in the sand Libby. If nothing is done about this, we will wake up one day soon and find that Iran has carried out their deed as they have promised to do. Actually, there is a much better way than doing sanctions to bring Iran down. All we need to do is blow up their one and only refinery. Where are they going to go for fuel? Their economy would quickly collapse and the people of Iran can take it back from the Mullahs and the idiot in charge.
“Oh, brother. Iran has only 20% of what it needs to build a bomb”
Where were they 4 years ago?
“They are nowhere near ready to have one, let alone have what they need to use it”.
They are 20%. Only 80% left. How long did it take them to get to 20%?
“And if you’ll remember the Iraq war started with sanctions and talks, too.”
How did that work out? Besides, I was under the impression the war started when they attacked us.
“It’s not the wild, wild west anymore and we can’t just saddle up and kick some hiney whenever we want to”
Why not? Their mission is to kill the Infedels – you and me. Looking like kill or be killed.
“You don’t know what’s going on behind closed doors and that’s the way it should be”
So, your against transparency in our govt?
Fermi does many nuclear experiments. I dont need a govt official to tell me it would get vaporized. If one tells me “Trust Me, dont Worry” my level of concern would elevate. (See Joe Biden). Someone that has to say Trust Me over and over in my experience can not be trusted.
Show me, dont tell me.
FFA, Although the hard headed Libby still believes that Iran is not close to developing the bomb, anyone with a brain knows how deceptive these people are. They have sponsored Terrorism all over the Middle East and the incidents with their hand all over it abound. If they could develop even the suitcase variety, that would be easy to smuggle in. Even a low yield dirty bomb could kill thousands. They would pick sites that are the most vulnerable. Hey, if you can kill a lot of infidels, you will get all the virgins and dates in heaven. No wonder they have all the volunteers for suicide bombs. They think they will be rewarded.
A place like Yankee Stadium?
Thia is shaking out to be a good one, thats for sure. Sports guy on the news this morning stated if this was a 99 game series they would play them all.
FFA, I saw an article this morning grading Governors for their fiscal performance. All of the ones who received the highest marks for their performance were Republicans, no surprise. Guess who led the list and received an F? Your governor Quin in Illinois was the worst of the worst on raising taxes and running business off. No wonder you want to move to another state. It is amazing to me that the citizens keep electing one bozo after another in this state.
There is corruption at every level in this state. Seems to be a way of life. Did you catch what went in in Dixon IL earlier this year? Shouold be able to find it on the web somewhwere. Corruption at the Comptrollers Office.
I did not need a newpaper to tell me that. Sorry Bazooka Joe, cant afford you anymore. Quinn wants more tazzes.
I also saw an interview with the father of one of the Seals killed in Benghazi. Obama and Hillary met the plane carrying the bodies of the Ambassador and Seals and they did a ceremoney with full military honors. However, this father said that when Obama came over to express his condolences, he could not look him in the eye and only mumbled – sorry as he looked over his shoulder. He said it was like shaking hands with a dead fish. Hilary then came over and the only thing she could say to the man was that they were going to arrest the video maker. Gee, I bet that made him feel a lot better. Of course, this was after they already knew it was an Al Quida plot that they saw in real time watching this man’s son get killed and did nothing about it. This political ideology is the worst of my lifetime. Even Libby can’t spin this as anything other than what it is.
Perhaps, Agent, as my brother said “the fact that we lost Americans overseas really shakes him up.” You can tell by looking at him that he cares deeply about it.
You try to make him out to be some kind of monster and he’s not. They definitely made a mistake on how they handled their response to Benghazi, but that does not make him evil or double-dealing. Just human.
And my brother is a Republican, but he’s voting for Obama.
Libby, Obama came to town yesterday to vote early. He do4s in deed consider Chicago as his home town. If not he committed Voter Fraud. Of course, that would not be news in Chicgao.
You made your point, but I don’t think the fact that he considers Chicago his home makes him crooked. Just like all people from Massachusetts aren’t bullshiters, just Romney.
Was Actually kind of funny – The pool worker ID’d him.
No, A resident of Chicago does not make him a crook. His association with convicted felons raises cause for concern. Him hiding behind executive privilage raises even more. All he has to say is what he knows. Keeping his mouth shut makes him look guilty of something.
Romneshia? Really? Thought I was on the play ground in Middle School watching the bullys pick on the retarded kids. How old is he? He is the President talking like a Junivile Bully on national TV.
FFA, There is a new term out now called Obamanesia. He has forgotten what made this country the most powerful economic engine the world has ever seen. Now, he has come out and said when he is re-elected, he wants to create a new Department called the Secretary of Business to manage and control business in this country. That is all the country needs is a new Federal Bureaucracy with thousands of government employees to tell business what they need to do to be successful. We know how well it has worked the last 4 years, right?
Yeah, we’ve seen how well “Business” has managed themselves without government oversight. They raped and pillaged the American people and caused this tremendous hole we are in. Big Business, capitalists, and bankers can not be trusted to manage themselves because of their insatiable thirst for money at any cost. Voting for them is voting against the rights of the middle class and you all are just too stupid to see it. Do you really think they give a shit about small business owners like you guys? You are so far gone with their propaganda, just like sheep to the slaughter. I hope there are enough people out there with sense that know the truth about the agenda of the right and their big business mentality. You guys are obviously too far gone to be saved.
What? No snappy comeback defending the Plutocrats you covet so?
Hey FFA. Planet thinks business is great in Chicago. Perhaps you can straighten him out on that one since you are dealing with customers shutting down and losing business. I laughed at Libby’s comment that her brother is a Republican and voting for Obama. For every Republican who changes to Obama, there are 10 Democrats who are switching to Romney. I personally know 25 Democrats (several black) who voted Obama in 08 for Hope & Change and they want nothing to do with him any more. They just cannot stand what he has done in 4 short years.
Agent, you act like the election is in the bag and it’s still a week away. Let’s wait and see how it shakes out.
My conversation with a client at 04:00pm Chi time yesterday. Me “you have tp pay your audit bill. This was due in June. They are ging to cancel you if you dont”. Client “I dont have it. Guess I am going to have to close down.”
Well, enough of this week. I am heading to my lake house and I get an E Mail on my phone. Please cancel my policy. I am closng my doors.
In one day, 11 more people on the unemployment line throughout the Chicago Burbs. That bring my total to 8 accounts in the past 8 weeks lost. Probably close to another 100 hitting the unemployment line.
Cap must be one of them types of people that take advantage of people when they are down on their luck. Wonder what its like being that filthy rich and that cold hearted.
I’ll be looking for office space in WI today just to get the hell out of IL. Wife is dead set against that. Looking like Divorce is on the horizon as she wont move here. I dont have much of a choice unless you see me on tv after winning the Power Ball tonight.
I would like to thank the president for turning this economy around, encouraging unemployment and encouraging govt give a ways.
Voting for Romney is a colossal mistake.
4 more years of this goes above and beyond a colossal mistake. Watching 20 m+ years of hard work and dedication to my clients and companies go right down the tubes in a very short peroid of time. Dont know which is worse dumb (Quinn) or Dumber (Obama). They have tag teamed me into border line depression.
Hang in there FFA. Help is on the way! In eight days, we can rid ourselves of a government which is anti business in every way. I had to laugh during the debates that Obama said that he has cut taxes 18 times on Small Business. I checked with my accountant on that whopper. I am still waiting to see my first tax cut and I am small business. Words instead of deeds. Perhaps Libby or Planet can post all of the tax cuts on my business that I have yet to see. Have you seen a tax decrease on your business from Obummer?
I am holding on. I just got payroll covered and thats about it. No Rent. no Phone. No Health Ins. No nothng, just payroll. Not sure what the 5th of the month check is going to bring. Depends if that one contractor dropped out past the cut date. If not, I’m sunk.
Having your guy get re-elected is not “Optimal” for the country.
FFA, There is another story hot off the press. The wonderful Planned Parenthood organization, you know the one we the taxpayers support because they provide women’s health services including abortions on demand, have given $12million of our tax dollars to the Obama campaign. I guess they don’t want the gravy train to cease. Let’s see, if we cut off NPR, PBS, Planned Parenthood, the National Endowment for the Arts, that is a start. Then we can work our way into cutting off several hundred other Federal Programs, agencies who are not needed.
Agent, you will have us all living back in the dark ages. Who needs literature or arts or women’s health? As long as the all mighty dollar is king. You are beginning to disgust me with your greedy, backward thinking. That is NOT the America that anyone I know wants to live in.
At least we will be living with a roof over our heads.
Libby, the present day is not looking too good for the country with the policies of the last 4 years. 4 more years of this nonsense and we look like Venezuela. There is not enough money in the till to fund everything you and Planet want. Sorry Big Bird, you will have to dip into your $289 million fund and sell some advertising like other networks have done. Actually, the majority of America has awakened finally to see the damage done by your guy and it is not a pleasant site. Planet’s liberal newspaper, the Des Moines Register which I assume is the biggest paper in the state has now endorsed Romney for President. They cited that he has a plan to recover the country and business. They haven’t endorsed a Republican in forever so this is quite an admission that the ill advised policies and agenda of your guy has been a disaster.
So, where is Cap Planet from? Chicago or Iowa?
I dont need a newspaper to tell me this has been a disaster. My books show that I am worse off then when I was year end 2008. Had a full time staff of three. Now, its me and one part timer. One guy on a straight 1099 who is on the chopping block on Wednesday. If I could get Health Insurance on just me & the wife, I would chop the part timer too. Please Libby, dont beat the OBama Care drum. I am workng past 06:00 every nioght and almost every Saturday when I was a 9-5 er M-F in 08, maybe one Sat every three weeks.
If this is his idea of tax cuts, I hate to see what happens when he says tax increase. I have not seen any help from Springfield or DC. He just dont care about people, just his own ego.
FFA, Planet is physically located in Iowa, but his mind is from another planet as many on this forum have stated. Of the 663 comments on this subject, he has the top 10 goofiest by far. One of my favorites was his liking Chicago and just loved to go see his Bulls at Wrigley Field. I bet he is in shock that the Des Moines register endorsed Romney. Someone probably had to give him smelling salts after finding out about that. I think Iowa and Michigan will probably both go to Romney now as the President’s support continues to dwindle. Obummer will probably blame the hurricane on Romney or GW for keeping their base from voting.
Libby, let Hollywood fund the Arts. They have plenty of disposable income to do it with. If Planned Parenthood did not give $12million of our tax dollars to Obama, I wouldn’t have a problem with them if they were just doing women’s health to those who can’t afford it, but they are just abortion factories. It is time to shut down the government assistance scam whether you like it or not. I was disgusted with your Progressive free spending thinking a long time ago.
I won’t even dignify that with a response. The fact that you spout off about women’s issues when you have no idea what you are talking about just proves your ignorance.
This was two differnt accounts that closed up on Friday.
Just had one account call me to give up a payment. Now, Its up to the underwriter to let it reinstate.
Call him up and ask him to.
Did that. I push $1.5M with them on a 28% LR. I should get it. Its only been a few days.
Just contacte the 2nd one. He is done and over with. No hope for new opportunity on that one.
Bulls are in the UC. Cubs – or at least abunch of people with their uniforms – are in Wriggley. Was no pro ball played at Wriggley this season. Lucky Cap – he is not in IL.
For some stange reason, IL will vote OBummer. Awfull lot of radio ads for uBummer this week end in WI. Dont have TV up there so I cant comment on the TV advertising. No ads for either in IL.
On a sports note, my throry on X Cubs did not play out as Theriot scorred the winning run. They also have Pagan on their roster, so shock shock and another shock!
FFA, I bet Sargent is grieving now with his beloved Tigers getting swept by the Giants. I think they had too big of a layoff and just couldn’t get a hit when they needed it. The Giants were the real deal and came back from 3-1 against the vaunted Cardinals. I am afraid the American league has some work to do to get up to the level of the National League. These things run in cycles just like our industry does.