“The law — covering 30 million uninsured, requiring virtually every legal U.S. resident to carry health insurance and forbidding insurers from turning away the sick — remains as divisive as the day it passed more than two years ago.” No doctor or hospital ever turns away someone without insurance. I had an old friend who was just here visting in Chicago from Oregon. She eneded up in the hopsital for a week. She’s on an Oregon state plan and had to talk to a social worker becuase her plan gave her no insurance here in IL. This ariticle is a bit misleading. I sold healthcare insurance for a few years. Cook County Hospital never turns anyone away.
It says “forbidding INSURERS from turning away the sick”, not medical providers from turning away the sick. If you are sick or have a pre-existing condition, insurers can refuse to write coverage for you. Nothing misleading here.
Not crazy? My house is on fire and I don’t have insurance. Can you get me a policy?
September 28, 2012 at 1:55 pm
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Many people lose their health insurance through no fault of their own. Then they can’t get coverage anywhere else because they have a “pre-existing” condition. What are those people supposed to do? Go uninsured?
September 28, 2012 at 11:40 am
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Sorry for the misinterpretation, Libby. And I do believe that pre-existing conditions should not be held against anyone. You cannot help it if you get sick or stricken with a disease such as asthma (which I have) and have been underwritten before on insurance policies in the past. There are some good things that even Romney wants to continue and this is one of them.
Just because 7 out of 10 think it will happen does not alter the fact that almost 7 out of 10 do not like the law. Also the 7 out of 10 think it will happen because the polls say most of the voters are idiots and will re-elect our socialist Muslim President.
Please stop the biased articles in favor of progressive politics IJ, It really is annoying when you are looking to obtain facts.
Sarah, you want IJ to stop biased articles in favor of progressive politics but then you throw out a biased response. Maybe that’s why your side is going to lose the health care law and election. You want people to do as you say, but not as you do.
Obviously Sarah, 2,600 pages of this 2,700 pages of Progressive nonsense need to go right away along with the boards, commissions, mandates it sets up. My guess is that the tweaks that remain will be the failure to launch 26 year olds and creating a mechanism through exchanges to cover the PreX crowd. Romney may push for Tort Reform (good luck on that) and selling policies across state lines to create competition. That is what should have been done the first time, but no Republican idea was considered in their version rammed down our throat. This is one of the most divisive issues of our time and all because we elected a Progressive Socialist to office.
Sarah, if you want IJ to stop biased articles in favor of progressive politics, why don’t you start with unbiased comments? It would seem that you side is destined to lose the health care battle and election because you subscribe to the “say as I do, not as I do” theory.
Hi Libby! I was waiting for you to start spewing your hatred towards me since you’ve found out I’m a woman! What makes me an idiot, Libby? The fact that I asked your buddy Birdy a question which, by the way, had absolutely nothing to do with you?
Or, are you upset by the fact that your guy in the WH has 35 days left there? You may think otherwise, but only a true idiot would.
October 2, 2012 at 2:18 pm
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Get over it CT. We’re not on the playground anymore. And you are not a woman, I am convinced.
October 2, 2012 at 3:07 pm
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You are pitiful, Libby. And, you stole that play ground line from me, btw…I’m flattered. I am a woman…trust me…through and through. What makes you think I’m not?
October 2, 2012 at 4:14 pm
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I was mocking you, you dumbass. Just showing again how mean and spiteful you have been on here.
October 2, 2012 at 4:17 pm
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Women don’t go around saying the things you say. If you are a woman, you have some definite problems. For one, you need to get over yourself. For another, if you were a female business owner you wouldn’t be against women’s rights. You would have known how hard it is to make it in business being a woman. Especially the insurance business. But then again, you’re so hot, maybe that’s how you climbed the ladder. I did it the old fashioned way, with brains and hard work.
October 3, 2012 at 9:27 am
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“Women don’t go around saying the things you say”…umm..WHAT? I can only shake my head at that, Libby. Trust me. I’m a woman. A girlie girl.
October 3, 2012 at 9:33 am
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I should clarify. REAL women don’t go around saying the things you say. They don’t feel a need to constantly tell everyone on a blog how “hot” they are, they don’t mock women’s rights, and they aren’t Mets fans.
October 3, 2012 at 10:15 am
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One more thing, Libby. Show me my post where I said that I am against women’s rights. Copy/paste it for me because I’m really curious to see if you’ll be able to find it anywhere…oops..you won’t be able to because I NEVER said that. I am however, against having to pay for a woman’s birth control, abortions, etc. So, if that is what makes me against women’s right in your head, I’ll never be able to change that. You are afterall, a liberal progressive and there is a mental issue there.
October 3, 2012 at 10:18 am
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What was the snarky comment about a War Against Women all about?
October 3, 2012 at 11:02 am
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Please, Libby. Now you’re insulting me. You posted that Sarah Palin got the death panel myth going, so I questioned who got the war on women myth going. You cannot tell me that you’ve never heard of this before. And, I am not being snarky.
October 3, 2012 at 11:09 am
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I CAN tell you I’ve never heard it before, because I haven’t. Did you just make it up? And if not, why would you say it in such a sarcastic tone?
September 27, 2012 at 3:52 pm
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Sarah, Birdie is so goofy that she/he posted the same retort to you twice. You know what, this site is not that hard to navigate and post a blog. It must be a pains taking operation for Birdie. I agree with you that an article quoting the AP on a poll is pretty much a made up poll and has little credibility. I think they are about 20th in credibility of all the polls that are out there, particularly with the Presidential polls.
Agent, agent, agent — not all the IJ responses appear immediately. And I felt strong enough to re-post the respojnse — as I felt strongly in the first place to respond. But you go ahead and continue bashing.
My responses on IJ pop up immediately after posting. Perhaps your computer is lacking something in the memory department. Sarah must have really stirred you up. I know you liberals cannot stand any criticism of this bill and think it is so wonderful. What could we possibly think is wrong about the most divisive bill ever passed by Congress in the dead of night and ramming it down our throat with no bi-partisan support?
When the stated goal of the GOP Congress is to replace Obama since day 1, there was NEVER going to be bi-partisan support. But it did pass — and the Supreme Court upheld it. Too bad your side just doesn’t get it.
PS: The Goal of the GOP Congress should be to do the people’s business. Maybe that is why you will still only be carrying the House of Reps in 2012 — and even that is not a given. And then waht!
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September 28, 2012 at 8:30 am
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They don’t automatically pop up if you are a new user, Agent. Or if you are posting a link. I think your brain is missing something.
September 28, 2012 at 8:29 am
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Agent, I know reading is a painstaking operation for you, but IJ did not conduct this poll, as it clearly states in the article. Birdie is absolutely right, instead of insulting and denigrating people that don’t necessarily share your views – try a polite discussion. You might get somewhere.
Sarah, calling most of America “idiots” is why I never pay any attention to what you say. You are rude and disgusting in your approach.
Libby, The Independent Payment Advisory Board aka Death Panels is in this bill and was specifically set up to make life and death decisions on whether treatment is provided. Steven Rattner, Obama advisor said in a column in the NY Times a few weeks ago that we need the board aka Death Panels to manage cost. The way it works is that “they alone” will determine if an individual has lived up their usefulness to society and whether treatment is approved or denied. It has nothing to do with the doctor/patient relationship or recommendations of the doctor to treat. They will pay doctors to give end of life counseling. What they are saying between the lines is take a pain pill and go home and die. In a Socialist healthcare system, rationing of care is the only way they think the cost can be managed. Forget technology, innovation in treatment and by all means, we can’t put Tort Reform in to help doctors control their costs and needless over testing. You are goofy to think there aren’t Death Panels in this legislation. They just call it by a different name, but it serves the same purpose and will work just like Great Britain’s and Canada.
Again, Agent, you are wrong. Check Politifact or any other fact checker on the debate issues. They all say this is WRONG! This panel will have nothing to do with individual treatment plans. That is expressly forbidden in the law. Nice try. Try a little harder next time.
“May not like it”? Americans overwhelmingly favor the actual provisions of the Affordable Care Act. Insurance Companies like it. Small businesses Love it.Only the idealogues and ignorant on the far right, and anti-Obama racists oppose it. It’s here to stay, so get used to it. Someday soon, it will benefit you and/or someone in your family, and if you’re honest you’ll give Obama the credit.
Speaking of death panels, did you see Sarah Palin in the audience watching dancing with the stars? Strange place to be during the final days of the election season. I guess it’s never too late to the the mother she never was when they were growing up.
We were talking about death panels and of course her name had to come up. She’s the one that got the myth started. That’s what. BTW, it was a slam on Ms. Palin if you couldn’t figure it out on your own.
October 2, 2012 at 3:18 pm
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So, who’s the one that got the myth started about a war on women in our country??
What war on women? Women have always been fighting for equal rights, but I wouldn’t consider it a war.
October 5, 2012 at 4:18 pm
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Yes, Sande, Sarah was 100% right on the Death Panels. It is called the Independent Payment Advisory Board who will be making the life and death decisions under Obamacare. Bureaucrats telling doctors they can’t treat because they have to save on the cost. Is it any wonder so many people are against this affront to a free society?
I believe it because it is true, Agent. It’s true in the U.K. and it’s true here. If a patient has no hope of recovery, putting them on a pathway to death is the humane thing to do. It involves hospice and paliative care and trying to keep them comfortable until the end. What is wrong with that?
October 9, 2012 at 11:29 am
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Independent Payment Advisory Board = Death Panels. Read up on it Libby. They alone will decide whether treatment is approved or not. 15 bureaucrats telling doctors they cannot treat because of cost. What a wonderful proposition.
Mr. Bugs, Libby and other liberals on this site don’t like the term Death Panels in this bill. They don’t believe Obamacare has panels of bureaucrats that will tell doctors that operations or treatments are denied because the patient is too old and has outlived their usefulness, and we must save on healthcare costs. This has been going on in Great Britain for a while now, so they merely put them on the pathway to death and render no services since the system is bankrupt over there. At last count, Great Britain has layed off 300,000 health workers because the National Health Service has no money to pay them. Doctors here will be retiring from practice and we will have rationed care galore in a few years.
OMG. Catch a grip, Agent. You may be against the healthcare bill, but don’t make up horror stories to try to gain momemtum for your side. That’s the pathetic, Republican, Bush/Rove way of swaying voters. It’s dishonest and repugnant.
Libby, your side leads the league with pathetic grand standing untruths to try to sell your precious healthcare legislation. Perhaps you should re-read the bill since it is in there. On Britain, it has been a well published story available for anyone to see including actual taped interviews with doctors and hospitals in Britain. They admitted everything. Your denial of truth is what is dishonest and repugnant to most of us.
September 28, 2012 at 11:10 am
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I did look it up and IT IS NOT TRUE. If I didn’t have 2 10/1’s to get wrapped up, I’d find the links and post them for you.
September 27, 2012 at 5:22 pm
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What liberal Kool Aid have you been drinking JP? Every poll I have ever seen says the majority of the American People are rejecting it. It is more unpopular now than last year. There are about 2 things that the people like about it. One is the ability to keep kids on it until 26 and the other is the PreX people who can’t get accepted by underwriting. These are the ones who should be in the exchanges. Insurance Companies who have to satisfy the 85% MLR are not liking it since they can’t operate on 15% and pay all their expenses. The only way they could make it is by getting subsidized by the government since they will have to pay all those claims on PreX’s. Small Businesses don’t like it and 30-40% will drop Group coverage entirely next year because of the cost and would rather pay the fine than continue to see their business go away. They will throw their employees on the exchnges and the poor employees will have to fend for themselves. Even the precious unions didn’t like it and got exempted from it because it was worse than their Cadillac plans. A lot of big corporations were exempted as well because they had connections with the government. The exemption list was in the thousands at last count. Only 42 more days and we can begin the process to repeal and replace with something that makes sense. I don’t think I want to give Obama the chance to deny me care with some rationed health plan that is the worst conceived bill in the history of the country.
Agent, your fuzzy math and numbers are, as usual, all wrong. 30-40% of companies are not planning to drop their coverage and “throw their employees to the wolves” as you stated. MadDog did some fact checking on your loosey goosey numbers in another post and found they were all wrong. You are losing credibility.
Apparently you are not an agent Libby working with real small businessowners. About half of our group clients are planning on dropping their group if this bill stands. I have another agent friend who is heavily invested in Health clients and he has about the same numbers we do. There has been a lot of information on the internet for some time about small business and their reactions to this bill. They continue to see rate increases on their plans and it is already almost unaffordable to them. They are making other plans which is including just paying employees an amount so they can get coverage on their own through the exchanges once that is the option. By the way, you lost credibility from your first post through this one.
Well, then I guess the bill came just in time for them. They can drop the coverage that has been steadily increasing for years and they and their employees will have an affordable option for healthcare available to them. Sounds like a win-win to me.
Wow. I see you’ve been drinking the kool-aid. Small business’s love it?? I am a small business owner, and know several others who despise it!! It is costing us money and in the long run, it is going to put more people out of work.. That however, is the regime’s plan–to get even more people on the hand-outs line.
Get your head out of your butt, Libby…there is fresh air out here to breathe! It is none of your business what benefits I offer and PAY for for my employees. Suffice it to say that once this commie’s full plan goes into effect, the small business that I own and BUILT (oh, yes I did!!!), is going to get a lot more expensive to run and keep afloat.
A little defensive there, CT? I must have hit a sore spot.
October 2, 2012 at 2:38 pm
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No sore spot other than me banging my head on my office wall trying to figure out your drivel and where it comes from.
October 2, 2012 at 2:42 pm
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Drivel? Really. You act like you’ve never heard a point of view other than your own before. You need to get out more CT. Maybe out of CT would open your eyes and expand your horizons. Better yet, try visiting a blue state and talking with others with another opinion. Oh! But then you’d have to listen and quit insulting people. Forget it. Just stay where you are. You seem quite blissful in ignorance.
October 2, 2012 at 3:20 pm
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Wow…you may think I’m not a woman, Libby, but I know for a FACT that you have cankles.
October 2, 2012 at 3:50 pm
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And just what drivel is it that I spout, CT? Healthcare for all Americans? Women having control over their reproductive system? Gays being able to enjoy a loving marriage just as heterosexual couples do? War is bad? We need to improve our way of life for all people in this country, not just a chosen few?
Which of those ideas are drivel? And be specific.
October 2, 2012 at 3:51 pm
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And you will not get much patience from me calling the President a “commie”. That is drivel through and through. You may not like him, but he is no commie. Unless you can be called a Nazi.
September 27, 2012 at 4:17 pm
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It’s all about the numbers. First we had the 99ers% vs. the 1ers%; Romney gave us the 47%ers; now the far right has given us the 12%ers…
An affordable option – geeze I can’t wait for that. I wonder what plan someone who is making say; $15 an hour will have in regards to someone who is making say $30 an hour. Under the employers plan now in place everyone has a pretty good plan that didn’t vary so much if they had an option to choose from. I had worked for corporate America for a very long time Libby and had the “cafeteria plan” that everyone talks about. Let’s see if “If you like the plan you have now you can keep it.” still holds true as much as the transparisey promises that were made when Obama was spouting all his grander speeches to the starry eyed democrats who were in such awe of his hope and change. “I’ll cut the deficit in half.” That was a good one. Obama spent more money then Bush did in 8, count them 8 years Libby & Birdy. Still waiting for that hope and change? Me too come November there certainly could be change and for the better.
Someone making $15 an hour will likely be eligible for a government subsidy so they can have the same coverage someone making $30 an hour has. If they want. If not, they can buy the bare bones. There is still choice. I don’t have much choice from my employer these days. Take the one that costs alot or take the one that costs more. I, too, have been in this business for a long, long time and have seen my healthcare premiums go up and up and my options and coverage go down, down, down. Why not try something new? I bet you’ll be pleasantly surprised when it’s all said and done. It certainly can’t/won’t be as dismal as you think it will be.
Libby said- Why not try something new? I bet you’ll be pleasantly surprised when it’s all said and done. It certainly can’t/won’t be as dismal as you think it will be.
I for one don’t want to try a healthcare program developed by a bunch of socialists that was rammed thru a democratic congress in the middle of the night and will be administered by the federal government. They can’t manage the post office, they have ruined social security (if private business did what the feds did to social security, they would be in prison),and they could not catch an illegal alien if they surrounded a Walmart.
September 28, 2012 at 12:44 pm
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“they could not catch an illegal alien if they surrounded a Walmart.”
Just a little biased are you, Sarge? I happen to shop at Walmart and I’m perfectly legal.
If you don’t want to try it, don’t. Nobody’s forcing you to. You can keep what you have or go bare. Just pay the penalty. Oh! I mean tax.
September 28, 2012 at 12:47 pm
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Always, Nancy said she had to pass it so we could see what was in it. Congress, don’t bother to read it before you vote on it. She also said she would pole vault over the wall to get it passed. Does that mean she had to bribe Ben Nelson and Landrieu for their vote? I wonder why they had so much trouble getting this passed if they had overwhelming majorities in both houses at the time. Oops, was there a little corruption behind the scenes and behind closed doors? I wonder why the Blue Dogs got such a shellacking in the mid terms by the American People. Democrats, including the President have said that it was the Republicans that were blocking the legislation. Hello! They couldn’t block anything and it was members of their own party that were objecting because they knew their political future was on the line. Many paid the ultimate price, but Nancy gave them a very nice going away party.
October 3, 2012 at 1:46 pm
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Define Affordable. My expense went up $1300 @ month from $722.00.
Libby said– If a patient has no hope of recovery, putting them on a pathway to death is the humane thing to do. It involves hospice and paliative care and trying to keep them comfortable until the end. What is wrong with that?
Libby so now you are Dr. Kevorkian (Death Doctor) in addition to being a racist. Under Obummercare who decides when a person is “on the pathway to death” a “death panel”? the hospital doctors, the family? I believe there is a medical panel. It is not called a deah panel but the”panel” has the right to pay or not pay for care. That sucks!
You are way misinformed, Sarge. There is no “panel” overseeing patient files deciding who lives and dies. The doctor decides on the care and the insurance company decides if they will pay or not. Just like it is now. Calm down all right, all ready. Enough with the death panel bullshit. I’m really sick of the ignorant scare tactics used by you guys. We’re all way too intelligent to fall for them so just stop.
Wow, Libby. Kiss your mother with that mouth? Kiss ANYONE with that mouth?
October 3, 2012 at 11:02 am
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Yes, CT, we are part of the vast right wing conspiracy. We are the reason why the Middle Class has had a 25% decrease in disposable income in the past 4 years. Bite Me said in a speech yesterday that the Middle Class has been over burdened in the past 4 years. This can’t be the fault of this Administration since they are for the Middle Class. That is why the Middle Class needs all these new taxes in Obamacare so they will feel better about themselves in the coming years. Hmm! I wonder why they are running 14% behind in the polls with the Middle Class. I hope Romney tears the President a new one tonight. If he doesn’t have enough ammunition by now, something is seriously wrong.
Mitt Romney is like a Christmas miracle to Obama. He all but clinched the election for him. He and his manical sidekick, Ryan. They are a pair of jokers and waaaay out of their league. I can’t wait for tonight. There is no way Romney can look Presidential next to Obama. No way.
October 5, 2012 at 5:09 pm
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CT, We are a part of the vast right wing conspiracy as Hilary was fond of saying until the blue dress showed up. Oops! There was an intern under the desk.
So Libby, Romney & Ryan are out of Obama/Biden’s league huh! I bet you were crying in your beer and choking on the popcorn with that performance. Get ready for another shellacking when Ryan tears Hairplug Joe and new one in their debate. Never downplay the truth Libby and how it will play to the American People. Obama and Biden have painted themselves into a corner with their actions in the past 4 years. Message rejected.
October 8, 2012 at 2:43 pm
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What the hell does a blue dress have to do with what’s going on in today’s race? Your attempt at humor is miserable at best.
October 8, 2012 at 3:42 pm
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Actually Libby, there is nothing funny about a President hiding an intern under his desk and then lying about it in front of a Federal Grand Jury and continuing to lie about it to his wife and the American People. He got impeached for the lies, but not removed from office. I still don’t understand that one. Even though Clinton was a womanizer extroardinaire, he cannot hold a candle to JFK who had a virtual parade of women going through the White House. You should read Killing Kennedy by O’Reilly. It is very enlightening and is factually true.
October 8, 2012 at 3:43 pm
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Again, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Wrong analogy…
I don’t understand any rational connection to the topic being discussed.
September 28, 2012 at 12:51 pm
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Good analogy Sargent. The Democratic Party practices Eugenics with babies and seniors. They alone will decide if a human life is worth saving or just put someone to sleep like a dog or cat. They are terrible excuses of humanity.
You are really degenerating in the name calling arena. Now we are all terrible excuses for humanity? Really? Should we all be lined up and shot? Take a deep breath and calm yourself, Agent. You’re getting a little out of control.
You know what doesn’t make sense? Having insurance people against the Affordable Health Care Act. At its heart, it means people need to buy insurance. Otherwise, as any insurance person ought to know, those who do not buy insurance utlimately have coverage paid for by people who do buy insurance.
Maybe its because Carriers have pounded down commissions and we have lost revenues.
Maybe because we have been around long enough to know what happens when people (govt) who dont know our business stick their nose in it.
Maybe its because this bill cuts the agent out of the picture completly.
The coverage will still be provided by insurance carriers. Do you write individual health? That is mostly what this will be. Large groups will most likely continue to use a broker rather than go through the exchanges because they need the services of a broker. That won’t change.
Its my pocket Libby. I’ll decide what important to me. That dirty word Profit is impotant to me. Its important to my employees so they can feed their family. They took a very marketable – profitable product away.
They didn’t take it away. But now it will be available on a direct basis as well as through an agent. Many carriers are like that already. Sell individual life. You’ll make more money.
October 3, 2012 at 4:13 pm
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We are going to agree to dis agree on this one. I blame OBama. You defend him.
October 3, 2012 at 4:14 pm
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OK.
September 28, 2012 at 1:49 pm
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Birdy- It is not the sale (believe me we sell for a living and we like all the sales I can get)at issue, it is the act itself. It is bad legislation. No one said we did not need healthcare reform. We do but it is the way the administraion went about it, the side deals they cut, the exemptions they made to the bill, not to mention that government employees don’t have to take it.
Also, Obama(Mr.Transparancy) got Dirty Harry and Plastic Nancy to ram it thru a democratic controlled congress in the middle of the night without any time to read it.
In addition to that there was no budget which outlined how the United States is going to pay for it. Come to find out, seniors are going to suffer and healthcare quality will go down for everyone. That is not a good deal for the country, sale or no sale
Yes, but it’s all HOT air and nyou ever actually SAY anything.
October 2, 2012 at 2:45 pm
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Everyone’s breath is hot dumbass. I say plenty. Just nothing you want to hear. None of you “conservatives” on this site are even open to hearing another side. You’re so narrow minded it’s scary. Ooooh. There’s that word again. It’s a theme.
October 2, 2012 at 3:22 pm
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OMG…like you don’t have a total argument for everyone from my side of the aisle if you don’t like what they have to say?? You know what they say about living in glass houses, Libby.
October 2, 2012 at 3:39 pm
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What? That didn’t make sense. And I didn’t comment on everyone across the aisle. I’m talking about people on this site. Like you, Agent, and Sarge. I will at least agree with part of a point if it makes sense.
September 28, 2012 at 2:31 pm
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Sargent, since you got sandwiched between Birdy & Libby, I thought I would lend support to you to offset their goofy replies. There is an old saying which rings true. Nothing good happens after 1:00 in the morning. Progressive liberal lawmakers who passed this legislation in the dead of night behind closed doors had no good intentions for the people. They promised to televise the negotiations on TV so the American People could see it and instead were very secretive. So much for Transparency. Then, they had to vote on a 2,700 page bill in a very short time which meant no one could read it before voting. Since the bill was passed, legal scholars have tried to read it and can’t understand it. This is all supposed to be good and we will like it when we see what is inside it. Guess what Birdy and Libby, we like it less now that more of the details of it are known and yes the panels are in there to decide whether treatment is provided or denied to patients. Do some research and pull it up if you don’t think I am right about it.
Don’t need one Libby, Just check the facts. 1.)There was no plan to pay for the affordable healthcare act. 2.)Obama and Co has taken $716Billion out of medicare or did you not hear that. The cuts are from Medicare advantage and payments to hospitals, patient care. That means it will hurt Senior care. 3.)It is a fact that when you add the estimated 30 million uninsured which does include illegals, that the quality of healthcare will go down as there is no icrease in the number of doctors, no increase in the number of hospitals, no increase in the number of medical equipment etc and with the payment cuts what do you expect? You think we will all get care like the Mayo clinic?
Not to worry Sargent. Your doctor will prescribe a pain pill after he tells you he can’t give you a knee replacement because the bureaucrat said he had to be cost efficient and your useful life is over. This country is already several hundred thousand doctors short and when all the retirements happen next year, the whole country will feel the pain of rationed care.
Yep, you will have 15 appointed bureaucrats making decisions and recommendations on rationing care. Great, The government- “We are here to help and if you are over 60 you just might die”
3 strikes, Sgt. Major. You swung and missed on all points. But, good cuts. Keep your eye on the ball all the way to the bat. You should look at where that $716B actually comes from and then, take notice it’s also in Ryan’s plan. Cheers!
Since you want to use a baseball analogy Planet, Sargent hit a grand slam off of you the closer, sent into the game to save it for Progressives. Progressives have nothing to offer except more of the same failed nonsense we have put up with for the past 4 years. I sure am glad the election is drawing near so we can kick these bums out of office.
The talk this week on conservative media, notably the “Fox & Friends” morning show, is that opinion polls are skewed against Republican challenger Mitt Romney, and sample too many Democrats.
Well, tell that to Fox News’ bipartisan polling operation.
The latest national survey for right-leaning Fox shows President Obama with a stable 48-43 percent lead over Romney among likely voters. By a 50-46 margin, the 1,208 registered voters surveyed said they believe America’s 44th president deserves to be reelected.
Obama has a slightly larger 49-41 percent lead among all registered voters, according to the poll, taken Sept. 24-26.
The “enthusiasm gap” in the 2012 election appears to have vanished: 93 percent of Obama voters, and 91 percent of Romney supporters, feel the election is “extremely” or “very” important.
The poll has another salient finding. By a 49-46 percent margin, likely voters said they approve of the job Obama is doing, but a larger 51-45 percent margin like the president as a person. Obama scores highest, at 61 percent approval, among voters under 35.
No kidding. Same tired argument with teh same people over and over and over. Got much worse in this one. Name call. Insults. Getting to the point where people are embarasing them selves.
My mind was made up 4 years ago who I was going to vote for. Dont know why I spend the time here anymore. I get sucked into this point counter point and I get nothing done.
At least no one is calling me names.
October 3, 2012 at 3:29 pm
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Stick around. There’s time for that if you ever disagree with Agent, CT Agent, or Sarge. Oh! And let’s not forget my favorite, Bob.
October 5, 2012 at 5:15 pm
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FFA, I laughed for 5 minutes on that one. I take it you have no respect for the Cubs organization. They do seem to have loyal fans no matter how bad the team does. Libby is loyal to Obama as well no matter how bad a job he is doing.
Well agent, I do have respect. Its just a very low level. History does repeat it self almost every year. Platers learn how to choke and take it with them.
October 5, 2012 at 6:07 pm
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I take it Libby didn’t like your sports analogy FFA. It is actually quite accurate. I liked it when Romney got his digs in on the Obama Green Enery Agenda. He said Obama was in the business of picking the losers. All of this for some campaign contributions. It is sickening how corrupt this man and his administration is and how he has wasted our tax dollars to further his Socialist dreams.
There is not one source showing that Ryan’s plan makes the same exact adjustments, and there are many showing differences.
Obama cuts payments through a panel, Ryan cuts payments by allowing you to decide where your medicare dollars go, thereby causing competition for your dollars rather than having a bureaucrat make caps (which is how Obama achieves the cuts in medicare) and then call that “over payments”.
Plus, you should watch how this debate got started. Ryan explains quite clearly how Obama’s plan is double counting. Ryan’s plan is NOT by any means comparable to Obama’s, and does NOT do the same exact $716 billion cut. Obama’s cuts a different way entirely. Look it up.
Once again Captain Uranus, you are WRONG. I suppose you believe that cutting 716Billion out of Medicare advanyage has no impact on seniors? And about Ryans plan. It has no impact on todaysseniors on medicare. It does not even have any impact on workers age 55 and older and it gives options to younger workers to opt in or out. Not like Barry Soetoro’s plan to screw seniors and reduce good care to lousy care for all. Hey, maybe they should call it the Unaffordable lousy healthcare Act (ULHA)
Sgt Major,
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but calling me Uranus is just straight up middle-school. But whatever, if it makes you feel like a bigger man, more power to you. What I am saying is the $716B does not impact benefits:
(from “Inside National Health Reform” by John McDonough)
It’s worth noting that there’s one area these cuts don’t touch: Medicare benefits. The Affordable Care Act rolls back payment rates for hospitals and insurers. It does not, however, change the basket of benefits that patients have access to. And, as Ezra pointed out earlier today, the Ryan budget would keep these cuts in place.
If the $716 Billion is being taken out of Medicare, a lot of hospitals and doctors will cease taking Medicare patients. Many will close down and doctors will retire and we will know the true meaning of rationed care. Need Healthcare? Go see the Doc in a box with the PA’s and hopefully nothing serious is going on. Need surgery? Not if you are a senior citizen if the bureaucrat says you don’t get it.
And Agent, I will dispute it everytime you start with the death panel/rationed care bullshit. It’s just not true.
October 8, 2012 at 12:29 pm
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Hey Sargent, I wonder why Obama took Hairplug Joe off the campaign stump last week. Could it be his promise to raise taxes $1 Trillion if they are re-elected? He has sure given Ryan some very good talking points in the VP debate coming up. They may have to carry Bite Me off the stage at the end of this one. It could get ugly.
Rom-neeeeheheheheeee (dressage horse sound) can’t even use net job loss anymore. What’s next? I guess they’ll just go for election fraud again. If you can’t win the vote, cheat it. Then, let’s start another war with the largest military force in the world, tell women to make us some pot pies and meditate away rape pregnancies, ask brown people for their papers or throw them over some fence which is surrounded by a moat filled with sharks with freaking laser beams on their heads, tell gays this country doesn’t like fags being smoked let alone being married, tell kids to ask their starving parents for college tuition, and ride our glitter-shatting unicorns all the way to some job creator’s office who won’t do diddly until the real reason why jobs aren’t being created, demand, rises. Don’t worry, there’s a VP candidate who does P-90 X so he’ll just do a couple extra pull-ups for us all (is he pulling up boot straps?) and should Iran really come blasting, no reason to duck and cover (nice one there, America)…Paul Ryan has abs so he’ll just take his shirt off and scare the nuclear threat away. Sounds like a plan. For disaster!
Thanks, Libby – I was at home working that night and while the system was “thinking”, I hit up the IJ site for a bit. I guess I’m a dork like that. Looking forward to Wednesday night!
Will you two just get a room and get it over with? Sheeesh.
October 2, 2012 at 2:45 pm
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Jealous?
October 2, 2012 at 3:28 pm
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Ummmm. No. Not jealous at all–trust me. Any man who likes liberal (women? I’m assuming you are one…but it’s hard to tell) is not a man that would be interested in me anyway–I’d be much to much for him to handle…in politics and ‘other places’…
October 2, 2012 at 3:41 pm
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Oh, brother! You sure do think highly of yourself foxy CT. You’re probably a dried up old prude.
October 2, 2012 at 3:53 pm
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Why, yes I do, Libby! Why wouldn’t I feel highly of myself? I’m hot, I’m a woman, I’m a Republican, and I live in Fairfield County! What could be better than that, other than 11/6/12 being the day that Obama gets his a** kicked out of the White House!! Now, go ahead and take your shots at me because I live in the Gold Coast of Connecticut.
October 2, 2012 at 4:10 pm
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I’ve lived in CT before, remember? Fairfield County is pretty big. Bridgeport is alot different than Greenwich. And I pretty hot myself. I just don’t feel a need to go around saying it, because it’s very unbecoming. So you may be a hot, Republican, living in Fairfield County, but you’re an ugly person as evidenced by the mean, spiteful things you have posted on this blog. Mean girls are ugly girls.
October 3, 2012 at 9:34 am
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If you think defending what I think is right and what’s good for my country is mean and spiteful, then you are apparently just as mean and spiteful as I am for defending what you think is right and good. You can’t have a debate, Libby, if you can’t see past your own beliefs. Now, you go and have yourself a nice day.
October 3, 2012 at 9:38 am
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You don’t debate CT. You snark.
October 3, 2012 at 10:22 am
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Who’s being snarky now, Libby?
October 3, 2012 at 10:29 am
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Uhhh. I think I said YOU are.
October 3, 2012 at 2:05 pm
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This word Snark – whats that about? Never heard it before in the Mid West. Now, all of a sudeden, you east coasters cant seem to get away fro it.
October 3, 2012 at 2:12 pm
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I am a Westerner, FFA. Through and through. Nothing east coast about me. And “snark” has been around a while now.
Snark (noun)
Combination of “snide” and “remark”. Sarcastic comment(s).
Also snarky (adj.) and snarkily (adv.)
October 3, 2012 at 3:29 pm
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Makes Sense. Product cycly – west Coast to East Coast to Mid west. Must be a gender thing because I dont her any of the males in here use it.
How about that – I learned something!
October 1, 2012 at 4:40 pm
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You gave yourself an apt name Planet. Only a “dork” would post the nonsense you put out!
Wow, IJ has seriously gone all-out Pewee Herman. Agt and Sgt Major, are you guys going to Francis me and try to steal my bike? Who’s playing the role of Large Marge? Mecka-lecka-hi-mecka-hino-ho!
October 2, 2012 at 9:07 am
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You are obviously too old and thick to get Captain’s wit. It is superior and funny as hell. It makes you think, but then again that’s something you’re not too fond of doing. No wonder you don’t “get it”. Open your mind, Agent! It’s never too late!
October 2, 2012 at 3:38 pm
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That’s wit??? Wow. You don’t get much wit in your life, do you Libby?
October 2, 2012 at 3:42 pm
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Again, it’s wit that you have to think about. Way over your head, CT. Just don’t even try.
October 2, 2012 at 3:55 pm
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Poor Libby..she tries, she really does. Let’s give her a ‘B’ for effort. I’d give her a ‘C’, but she is a persistant little bugger.
October 2, 2012 at 4:01 pm
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Hey foxy CT. I haven’t seen you or Libby, but I would take my chances on you because I couldn’t stand to be around Libby for 5 minutes with all the liberal BS she puts out all the time.
October 2, 2012 at 4:12 pm
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Your loss, Agent.
October 2, 2012 at 4:12 pm
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And CT, you still haven’t answered my question about drivel. Just like you couldn’t show me where Obama apologized to terrorists. Time for you to sit down and shut up – AGAIN.
October 2, 2012 at 4:25 pm
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Libby–here you go. I will also use it in a sentence at the bottom of this post:
drivel (ˈdrɪv ə l) — vb
1. to allow (saliva) to flow from the mouth; dribble
2. to speak foolishly or childishly
— n
3. foolish or senseless talk
4. saliva flowing from the mouth; slaver
In a sentence, used as a noun:
“Such a poor decision to allow such driveler into the White House”.
I have a few more nouns for Obama, too..
1) Liar
2) Deceiver
3) Equivocator
October 2, 2012 at 4:28 pm
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And just what have I said that was drivel, CT? You still haven’t said specifically. Because you can’t. Nothing I have said is drivel. It may not be something you agree with. Doesn’t make it drivel.
Again, it is time for you to sit down and shut up. You can’t answer specifics when questioned, so your credibility is nil.
October 2, 2012 at 6:15 pm
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As I recall, Obama is the one who used the net jobs argument in order to down grade his prior competition Bush, and apply it to his new competition (any republican).
Which is ok for him to do and not ok for republicans to defend against right? Obama came at Paul Ryan for his medicare plan before Romney was even running, and the first day Ryan was nominated an email was sent out that Ryan was ending medicare (2011 politifact lie of the year, look it the hell up Planet)
Which that was bad on the republican’s part too right? Defending themselves regarding medicare, and saying that Obama was cutting medicare as well? (He DID cut medicare) Claiming those are over payments is a lie, and does reduce quality. Claiming those are the same cuts as Ryan’s plan, without listing what Ryan’s cuts are is also a lie. What cuts did Ryan make? I’ve seen you say they are the same. List the exact areas and amounts please. Was it medicare advantage cuts? The total dollar amount?
Do it Planet. Otherwise shut up, as your comments are getting old. You don’t have the numbers, because contrary to your belief you have not looked up the other side, and us on the right actually have.
Again, Bob. Grammar. WE on the right… Not US on the right. And don’t try to look up some obscure usage for your grammar. There is none. It’s just bad grammar. Take an English lesson for God’s sake.
Every now and again, I use a “style” of speech too insult the premise of someone’s beliefs.
Note the wording,
“contrary to your belief you have not looked up the other side, and us on the right actually have.”
That’s me mocking him for his beliefs on republicans being dumb southerners.
In person you would have heard the tone in voice.
Also, don’t get on me about grammar. Were I trying, I would use words you didn’t even know. I had considered supercilious in one of my recent comments with Planet. Please tell me you know that definition without looking it up.
We won’t be making insults on my intelligence anymore, got it Libby?
Debate my facts. Don’t try to discredit them with personal attacks (a democrat doing that is soooo surprising right CT?)
I do know what supercilious means and I challenge you to “test” me on my English vocabulary, spelling and grammar. I’m pretty sure I could match you one-on-one. No problem.
And I’ve already told you, I don’t debate with you. I fight. Because when I do try to rebut you take what I’ve said, totally discard it or twist it, and then throw in some supercilious tidbit about something off-topic to try to change the subject. You are not a fair debater.
October 4, 2012 at 3:06 pm
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Libby:
I turn it into what it actually is, with the correct methodology.
Do you remember how constantly I have told you that your methodology is wrong? It is. Constantly.
Your facts are not. This means I have to break down how things actually work. It is perfectly fair debating to show someone how they are not considering the circumstance as it should.
I should not just tell you that your methodology is correct when it damages the country.
What effing “methodology” are you effing talking about you nut case?
October 1, 2012 at 1:59 pm
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Captain said: “The Affordable Care Act rolls back payment rates for hospitals and insurers.”
You just made my point. You don’t think this $716Billion dollar cut is a takeaway? You don’t think this will diminish care and you don’t think the cost to seniors will go up as care goes down? They will roll back payments etc, never mind the inflation factor each year. This has a big impact on care and cost to Seniors.
You must have missed Captain Planet’s post on this very topic:
Fighting Medicare fraud has long been a top priority for President Obama. A new infographic describes how the Affordable Care Act is helping the Obama Administration crack down on Medicare fraud and make Medicare stronger. The new infographic shows how the law increases penalties for criminals who commit fraud and provides new enforcement tools to stop fraud and save taxpayers money.
These new tools are being used to fight Medicare and other health care fraud, and are getting results: The Administration’s anti-fraud efforts recovered $4.1 billion in taxpayer dollars last year, the second year recoveries hit this record-breaking level. Total recoveries over the last three years were $10.7 billion. Prosecutions are way up, too: the number of individuals charged with fraud increased from 797 in fiscal year 2008 to 1,430 in fiscal year 2011 – a more than 75 percent increase.
Fraud is not Tort Reform. Tort Reform takes the frivilous law suites out of the picture. Those law suites are for some reason legal. Fraud is against the law.
October 1, 2012 at 3:18 pm
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My point is the benefits are not impacted – read the first and third sentences. You know, the ones surrounding the one you singled out:
It’s worth noting that there’s one area these cuts don’t touch: Medicare benefits. The Affordable Care Act rolls back payment rates for hospitals and insurers. It does not, however, change the basket of benefits that patients have access to.
The reason why payments are being rolled back is due to the fact hopsitals and insurers are charging too much. These are known as inefficiencies. And, yes, Paul Ryan’s plan does the exact same thing. But, thanks for trying out, Sgt. Major.
It is hard for me to get a reply in with the cat fight going on with Foxy CT and Libby. Our wonderful VP, Bite Me Joe got another really good gaffe in today. He said “The Middle Class has been unduly burdoned in the past 4 years”. He followed that up with a real gem – It is not fair for Republicans to raise their taxes with tax cuts. Hmm! I think I might be putting a muzzle on him the rest of the campaign. I hope Ryan uses these utterances of stupidity in their debate.
I am almost looking more forward to the VP debate than I am this evening’s Presidential one! Is it possible that Biden is a bigger ass than Al Gore? Me thinks it is!!!
It is a very close race between Biden and Gore on who is the biggest and most stupid ass. Gore blamed the altitude for the President’s very poor showing. It hasn’t seemed to bother him in his numerous trips to Colorado including the famous Invesco field coronation.
It does not make any difference if the benefits don’t change if you pull $716 Billion out of the plan. So what does pulling out all that money mean. More cost to seniors and the quality of the healthcare goes down. It has to especially when you add in future inflation. If you believe there is no change in cost or quality to seniors, you are dumber than I thought.
Insurers ad hospitals are charging to much? Who says you, Obama, a bunch of nincompoops in Washington? So what is the correct ROE on a hospital and an insurer? So what Underwrting leverage should the insurer carry so they can maintain a rating and satisfy the return of their investors and the federal government.
That is a bunch of crap. The reason they pulled the money out of Medicare is due to the fact that they can’t figure out ho to pay for “The unaffordable Healthcare Act”. So let’s screw the seniors and the disabled so we can try to cover this T*rd.
Sargent, have you ever noticed that no one wants to talk about graft and corruption regarding Medicare and Medicaid? It has been widely estimated that the system is being ripped off to the tune of $100 Billion to $150 Billion with a B each year by unscrupulous doctors, hospitals and vendors. Obama could put 500 or 1,000 Geeks to monitor the system for double, triple payments on treatments or vendors and catch a lot of these crooks and look how much could be saved, but oh no, we can’t do that. We have to cut needed senior care back and ration it to save money. What a joke!
Agent, did you realize that is why $716B is being removed by both President Obama and Paul Ryan in their budgets? The $716B comes from things like a $9 aspirin pill. Oh, and the Geeks you talk about – they are established. They are called HEAT. Here are just a few facts for you:
Fighting Medicare fraud has long been a top priority for President Obama. A new infographic describes how the Affordable Care Act is helping the Obama Administration crack down on Medicare fraud and make Medicare stronger. The new infographic shows how the law increases penalties for criminals who commit fraud and provides new enforcement tools to stop fraud and save taxpayers money.
These new tools are being used to fight Medicare and other health care fraud, and are getting results: The Administration’s anti-fraud efforts recovered $4.1 billion in taxpayer dollars last year, the second year recoveries hit this record-breaking level. Total recoveries over the last three years were $10.7 billion. Prosecutions are way up, too: the number of individuals charged with fraud increased from 797 in fiscal year 2008 to 1,430 in fiscal year 2011 – a more than 75 percent increase.
Forgive me Planet for not believing in anything coming out of Whitehouse.gov. They have been lying to us for 4 years about everything. Perhaps if they had been watching our tax dollars more carefully, we wouldn’t have an annual deficit of $1.4 Trillion and would have proposed and passed a budget that the country could live with. I believe the last one proposed was voted down 100-0 in the Senate. This administration is not into saving the taxpayers anything, only raising taxes which will definitely impact the Middle Class no matter what you say.
Agent, how come everybody is lying except FoxNews and Mitt Romney? You don’t take any source quoted by anyone as credible. You know what they say when everyone else is crazy? That maybe you’re the crazy one? If everyone else is a liar, maybe it’s you that’s lying. I have never seen someone so one-sided and tunnel-visioned as you. You are like a dog with a bone or better, a broken record. After a while it’s all just white noise.
October 2, 2012 at 12:10 pm
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Well, you can fact-check the numbers if you don’t believe them, Agent. So, please challenge the figures they are presenting when targeting the medicare/caid fraud. I think you will find they are solid.
October 3, 2012 at 5:55 pm
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Agent – dont forget he is from Illinois – Crook County to be exact.
October 2, 2012 at 9:01 am
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You sir, are just simply wrong. But, go ahead and keep living in the fantasy world where the sky is falling. I, on the other hand, will not be listening to Chicken Little anymore.
Hello Agent;
I am late in the office, again and so I thought I would look at IJ. Yes, the libs never want to talk about fraud and when it is brought up they might admit it but don’t want to do anything about it. So let’s have everyone suffer. Then let’s lie to the seniors and scare them into voting for Barry by telling them that Romney will take away medicare/medicaid. Actually, when you read Romney’s plan, he puts the $716 Billion back into medicare.
I don’t think Barry wants to monitor the system because he needs the votes and alot of those who get the freebies and defraud the system are Barry supporters. They may not even know who Joe “gaffe a minute” Biden is but they know Barry.
Sargent, I don’t know if you saw the Howard Stern Youtube where he was asking Obama voters questions about why they are voting for Obama. It was very instructive of how they typically have no grasp of reality and their typical IQ was extremely low. One question was great. He asked the guy if he approved of Obama’s selection of Paul Ryan to be VP. The guy said oh yeah, that was great. This video shows they will vote for Obama no matter what because they will continue the freebies to them and they won’t have to hit a lick the rest of their lives.
I am certainly not a Howard Stern fan by any means, but this Youtube has gone viral. I have seen some similar interviews done by Jesse Waters of Fox when O’Reilly sends him out to ask questions on the street about politicians, issues and typically, the young 18-29 age group have no clue what is going on in the world and cannot express any opinion on anything. These are products of our wonderful education system where they don’t learn history or stay up with current events or what our government is doing to us. They are also the same crowd that cannot find a job because they have no usable skills and would rather live with Mom & Dad and download apps all day.
Wow, there you go with your broad brush again. The young typically do not know much about anything outside their immediate sphere of existance. That means Obama and Romney supporters in this age group alike.
You are trying to say all Obama supporters are ill-informed, uneducated nimcumpoops and that just isn’t so.
October 2, 2012 at 5:59 pm
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Libby, I would rather go down fighting for freedom, values and doing the right thing for this country than following a Progressive Socialist over the financial cliff like the lemmings you and Planet are. This great country has survived a number of bad Presidents in the course of our 200+ year history and we will survive once again. I thought Jimmy Carter’s 4 years was a very long time to endure and did well to keep a roof over my head and take care of my family. Luckily, I flourished after that and have had the kind of American Dream I thought I could achieve. Now, I have someone trying to take it away again. If history repeats as it has in the past, people will vote with their pocketbooks and your guy will be gone shortly. You and Planet can ride off in the sunset and meet up in Toronto.
October 2, 2012 at 6:29 pm
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Libby:
There you go again with the, both parties would have the weakness where it concerns a democrat flaw. While facts prove otherwise…
You can’t go off of emotions on this one Libby, the 18-29 demographic leans democrat considerably, and does take the cake on 18-29 youthful moron voters:
Painting with a very specific brush is what we call what Agent did. Since you are young and heated, you still throw out the “that’s broad!” when someone puts out a factual comnent, and “that’s sexist” when one that comes out that is true with a woman. I believe 100% of women get pregant in all pregnancies. Am I sexist? No. Most voters who are 18-29 vote democrat. I’m not painting with a broad brush by saying it (or in this case Agent.)
The fact that they lean democrat is not the point, Bob. The point is they don’t know much about what’s going on these days. It’s not the 18-29 demographic that we had during the Vietnam war that was very aware of the political climate of the day.
And I am very sure I am older than you are, baby. You mistake passion for emotion. I am passionate about my beliefs. You are a number-crunching robot.
October 3, 2012 at 2:22 pm
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Libby:
First off, I am a proud number cruncher, but I do have emotions. I do not let emotions force my decisions to be poor ones like you do. I keep my head on straight. I’ll take your insult as a compliment.
You said “Wow, there you go with your broad brush again. The young typically do not know much about anything outside their immediate sphere of existance. That means Obama and Romney supporters in this age group alike.
You are trying to say all Obama supporters are ill-informed, uneducated nimcumpoops and that just isn’t so.”
The amount of those supporters in Obama’s campaign exceed that of the amount in Romney’s. There actually are, literally, factually, more uneducated people. It’s an actual provable number. 38% versus 62%. There is a larger number of idiot voters voting democrat.
I took the number for that one from Wikipedia. I gave you the link, I’ll assume you’re referring to my numbers in “genearl”. At which point again you are debating that all my numbers are wrong, rather than a particular number. Let’s keep debates on particulars, and not “generlizations”.
Contrary to your beliefs, where I get the numbers doesn’t matter.
You look at a piece, you find facts, you find methodology. You are so idiotic you don’t realize there are close to no articles with incorrect numbers, other than projections. I have shown you how your numbers ARE correct. They aren’t lies. I have shown you how they are rather IRRELAVENT facts.
WHO says our infant mortality rate is the worst in the world. That’s a fact. However, WHO did not account for what our country weighs as being an infant mortality in comparison to other countries. So the study does not compare what the “infant” mortality rate is in each country. So it compared “infant” mortality rate with varying definitions. Does this make WHO wrong? No. It’s methodolgy. You see it and then see Fox explain the infant mortality rate, and then call Fox a liar. (Fox never said this, I’m just using an extreme example of what happens with you).
You see a CBO projection for the Obama care act, and you take that as facts for what it will do. While you ignore the fact that Paul Ryan told people how CBO weighed the numbers. Not part of Obama’s plan, was a pay increase gap for doctors that has been passed the last 10 years in a row, and will be passed. Those are health care costs that were considered in Bush’s deficit, but not in Obama’s. Those are numbers that are a part of the total cost. Are the CBO weighed numbers on the deficit wrong? No. That is the true cost, of those sections of the bill.
MSNBC says that Oil companies pay a 9-17% tax rate. Forbes says 40% on average. Is MSNBC or Forbes lying? No. MSNBC used US effective tax rates. Forbes used their total taxes paid in all countries. Then you go off about how they don’t pay enough taxes. Yes, they do. And they don’t have infinite money. If you want to tax them over 50%, you see how many people they can hire and how much they can expand. The more they expand, the more they hire. Your solution to get revenues no matter the cost destroys capital in favor of enitlement. I don’t say that as an insult to entitlements. They are needed in many cases. However, so are jobs, and jobs produce taxable revenues.
There are three specific examples on “numbers” showing that you clearly do not know “numbers”. It’s not a matter of who gave the numbers. It’s a matter of finding how whoever gave the numbers came up with the numbers (methodology) which you plainly don’t get at all.
Knowing methodology is the only way of having a damn clue as to who helps the economy, so if you don’t know methodology, and are mocking republicans on what you perceive are their effects based on “methodology” which you perceive is a numerical fact, than you are basically making an “ideological” hypothetical argument, and turning it into a factual debate (which is by default impossible).
We have not tried republican ideals (if you can name one law passed that was based on the core republican ideals, I’ll say it’s republicans ruining our country)
We tried CRA regulations for home loans (Carter) We tried increasing revenues for social security, and gave no new options for 401k’s (Bush’s 401k plans tax deferred and tax exempt for people below $90,000 in annual income, rather than just tax exempt. 401k’s are taxed for your income invested just not earned when you withdraw). That was a republican plan that would have helped the middle class, a private plan, not a government entitlement. We didn’t try it. Privatizing social security for people who choose it and keeping the safety net for people who need it, we didn’t try that either. By the way, that would keep BOTH options available, that’s more not less.
TARP, democrat sponsored. Bush signed it under pressure.
What republican filth plans have gone through Libby?
Iraq? My counter to that is Libya, and not to mention North Korea. If FDR had not have given presidents the executive order, and the authority to go to war we wouldn’t have this problem.
I am not ok with presidents getting more power. At all. FDR was the king of that. Not Bush. And we want to go more that route…Unbelievable.
October 3, 2012 at 4:03 pm
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Jesus, Bob. I just asked where you got the numbers. I didn’t see the link or I wouldn’t have asked. You make an argument out of everything.
October 3, 2012 at 2:30 pm
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Oh by the way, any person who throws out “OMG” past the age of 30 has the maturity of a 2 year old. So if you really are older than I am, you better be ready for a slew of insults based on that fact alone.
I doubt very much you are. But while we’re on your bashing spree in this post I should point out the following:
You’re acting like a kid again. You keep saying you’re “passionate” and “stylish” whenever you insult someone, then you say how you “haven’t forgotten” what I “did” when you were googlegal when I finally decide to make nice with you.
Everyone in the world is held to your will and testament, the bible of Libby, to be judged on whether they are worthless crap or not, and whether or not they can make things good with someone. Because if Libby doesn’t want things to be set right, then damn it, they will not be set right, and that will teach that person for being WRONG right Libby?
You call me an asshole…Jesus Christ.
Don’t say you never said the above. You’ve definitely made it clear you believe the above, you right wing zealot. That’s what you lefties hate about the right, right? That we hold things to people and just have so much hate and are close minded? We can’t let things go just to love people eh? We are the source of just so much hate, and you just have to stop that hate, no matter what!!!! You’ve got to make sure that hate stays with us!
Your immaturity in this site is borderline insantiy. You’re stubborn attitude to come to a compromise is insane. You have not agreed with even one line item I have commented on, even when proven.
I have agreed with you. I have offered resolutions. I have given you solutions. Quit being a baby, and stop with the bullshit, ok?
You are no authority on anyone’s maturity level. And yes, I am stubborn. And yes, I do think you’re an asshole. If that makes me immature, so be it. Your insults no longer incense me, Bob, as I could care less what you think about me – as Libby or Googlegal.
Thank you for your “resolutions” and “solutions,” but no thank you. Stick ’em where the sun don’t shine, baby. I may need counseling, but definitely not from you. I know you will respond because it just kills you not to have the last word. And who’s the immature one here? But it keeps me entertained in the afternoon, so bring it on.
October 3, 2012 at 3:38 pm
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Libby,
None of your last post made sense, and I don’t need the last word. I left our convo on the last posting because you were out of line. You didn’t leave I noticed, but I have made no more comments. So, that’s you not me.
Moving forward:
All that matters is the following: If you’re the type of person who makes damn certain she finishes a conflict, you’re the asshole. If I attempt to end the conflict, and you say damn straight you’re going to keep those conflicts going, you’re the asshole.
Short and to the point enough for ya? Keep ’em rolling hah. Hilarious Libby.
To do with Maturity: When you come in attacking my “grammar” you better be ready for the reply of OMG not being exactly the best type of speech gramatically or maturity wise. Got that as well?
You’re an asshole, too, then. Because I tried to end an argument with you and you accused me of backpedaling. So, again, take all your remarks and stick ’em.
Did you understand that clear enough?
October 3, 2012 at 4:06 pm
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Libby,
In no area of any of these did you attempt to end an argument. You tried to force me not to respond, and tried to end it with an insult.
“Thank you for your “resolutions” and “solutions,” but no thank you. Stick ‘em where the sun don’t shine, baby. I may need counseling, but definitely not from you. I know you will respond because it just kills you not to have the last word. And who’s the immature one here? But it keeps me entertained in the afternoon, so bring it on.”
Resolutions that I was referring to: My post where I said you were right and that we needed to stop fighting. So I should take my “not fighting” and stick it where the sun don’t shine, and this is you trying to stop a fight?
Please. You’re a puffed up bully who is used to getting what she wants and hearing what she wants to hear.
I’m not trying to stop a fight here. I said bring it on. I tried in other posts, many weeks ago. And you snubbed and insulted me. Let’s just have a detante. You leave me alone and I’ll leave you alone. How’s that? Or are you not up for compromise?
October 4, 2012 at 6:09 pm
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So Bob, I see you and Libby continuing your running battle with the facts. She has her uninformed facts and you have your real facts and reasoning. You do need to cut her some slack though. She is having a tough time defending her savior’s non performance last night. The left is spinning like crazy today. Axelrod blamed it on the altitude. Wow, I wonder why the altitude didn’t bother him on his numerous visits to Colorado to speak and fund raise.
October 3, 2012 at 4:21 pm
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Libby,
The numbers were a part of the link. I assumed, that you were talking about all.
I don’t see how one could have missed the numbers.
I didn’t see the link. Now that you’ve pointed it out, I’ll take a look.
October 3, 2012 at 4:26 pm
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Libby,
Actually, no you did not try to stop the fight, and no I did not snub my nose at you. If you had ever said you were sorry for acting out I would have ended the entire fight. I did. I helped you on a debate where I agreed (gun control) as I don’t like guns. Saying you’re sorry does not equate to saying your facts are wrong as I imagine you may have thought was what I was attempting to do. I was not.
When I attempted to stop the fight you told me you refused, because you still remembered my relentless attacks on “googlegal” (you).
When someone tells me in their “apology” that I snubbed my nose at them and tries to take the high ground I don’t accept that as an apology.
Remove the premise there of trying to smack me in the face and you won’t get smacked back. The question is are YOU capable of compromise and mutual resolution? I certainly am.
I asked for a detante. Can’t we just both drop it? It’s silly. I’m not saying I’m sorry and neither are you. Let’s just agree to disagree and leave each other alone.
If you’re not up for that, I’ll take that as a snub and will expect you to continue your jabs at me. If so, I say bring it on.
October 3, 2012 at 7:22 pm
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Libby:
In one section you say you’re not trying to stop a fight, in another you say you want the fight to end, and in another you say you tried to stop fighting but I snubbed you and you couldn’t.
So in conclusion:
Past tense you tried to stop the fight, currently you aren’t trying and don’t want to, and why don’t we just stop fighting and agree to disagree?
Huh? There are so many logical inconsistencies here. First, past doesn’t determine now. You want in the now for us to agree to disagree, ergo stop fighting. But you simultaneously say you don’t want for us to stop fighting and to bring it on. What? Seriously, are you thinking thing through or are you this pissed off?
Don’t speak for my part of “not” saying sorry. I already did. You’re the one who doesn’t want to.
I never once snubbed your attempt to stop a fight. I don’t do such things, as is evident by our current convo, and our last, with me trying to find a common ground and a solution.
Again, Bob, you try to twist the truth to suit yourself. I tried to stop fighting in another post many months ago to which you responded I was backpedaling.
I think things through just fine. I asked CURRENTLY for a detante. No apologies necessary from either side (and you never apologized to me), just an agreement to agree to disagree and leave each other alone.
I said IF you are not willing to do that (as evidenced by your last post) then BRING IT ON. I will not back down from a fight, but I’d rather just put a stop to it.
Hopefully this is clear enough for your 156 brain to understand. I want to end this NOW. If you don’t, I will not back down.
Bottom line, ball’s in your court.
October 4, 2012 at 3:03 pm
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Libby,
Name one thing I twisted in that post. You did say you past tense tried to stop the fight.
You did not.
I said current tense you told me to bring it on and don’t want to stop the fight. You did. (this conversation)
I said you also said we needed to agree to disagree (current converation) you did. That’s saying you want the fight to end.
There is no twisting in my post.
Show the post where you said we needed to resolve things and I didn’t allow it and said you were backpettaling. I never did that, I know for a fact. I do not say “you’re backpettaling” as a response to someone saying they are sorry. There’s no such thing logically as backpetaling when someone says sorry. That’s an end. Not a start. You are blatantly thinking something happened that did not, or you are lying. Those are the only options. Show the post where I snubbed you and wouldn’t accept your apology. It, did, not, happen. Admit it.
Bob, as usual you’re being an ass. I did say I wanted to end things back when I was googlegal. I’m not going to waste my time to try to find the post.
I said present tense, let’s agree to disagree BUT if you don’t want to do that, then bring it on because I will not back down.
You apparantly want to keep this going, but I don’t have time for your nonsense today.
October 4, 2012 at 3:16 pm
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Libby:
Your quote to my saying I have sought resolutions: “Thank you for your “resolutions” and “solutions,” but no thank you. Stick ‘em where the sun don’t shine, baby. I may need counseling, but definitely not from you. I know you will respond because it just kills you not to have the last word. And who’s the immature one here? But it keeps me entertained in the afternoon, so bring it on.”
That was not an if. That was you saying no thank you to an end while I sought one.
You did however then say
“I asked for a detante. Can’t we just both drop it? It’s silly. I’m not saying I’m sorry and neither are you. Let’s just agree to disagree and leave each other alone.
If you’re not up for that, I’ll take that as a snub and will expect you to continue your jabs at me. If so, I say bring it on.”
You never asked for a detante. I asked for an end. Then you switched your tune to try to force me to give you high ground. What this means is you told me I wasn’t saying sorry and neither were you. That was speaking for me, by stating what you would not do and what I must not do as a result. Then you kept on saying I was the block if I didn’t do things. No, we aren’t playing that way. That’s indirect passive agressive bullying. You’re trying to make me an agressor. What’s going to happen is this, and for now I’m going to treat you like a child because you have to be:
A: You’re going to stop insulting me
B: You’re going to stop comparing me to people in this post when they say things you don’t agree with.
C: You’re going to stop doing this to other people in this post.
All of those are not a matter of your political opinions, and you have no right to be doing. Justify it all you want.
Now you’re really pissing me off. Just shut the f up already! I’m sick of your silly shit. Do what you want to. I plan to do the same.
October 2, 2012 at 5:07 pm
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Sargent, Planet keeps telling us we are living in a fantasy world with the sky falling. He doesn’t realize the sky has been falling on this country for the past 4 years because it hasn’t fallen on his head yet. The country is hurting now and he and Libby think everything is hunky dory and they will gladly follow their leader like lemmings going over the cliff. I maintain that Planet & Libby are living in an alternate universe and cannot see reality in today’s world.
Planet, You have been strangely silent today. Did the popcorn and beer get stuck in your craw last night? Your Messiah proved to be the empty suit we all thought he was the past 4 years. He was supremely unqualified to hold this office in 08 and proved last night that he is still unqualified to hold the office. Time to let him go.
So Planet, I did not think you liked name calling? Remember “sticks and stones” comment?
Have you and libby come up with the appropriate ROE (that is assuming you two know what ROE is) for a hospital and an insurer? I mean, that is your excuse (and I guess the other libbers including Barry Obama) as to why Barry and company cut $716 Billion out of medicare. You said that they charged to much. So what is the correct charge and what is the correct ROE? what is the correct amount of underwriting leverage so that an insurer can maintain their rating, satisfy their investors and satisfy the federal government? Whenever the federl government starts dictating profit margin to private industry, that is the road to socialism/communism.
So, come on what is your answer? Morons
What does the amount of underwriting leverage for an insurance carrier have to do with cutting reimbursements to hospitals? I don’t the “correct” ROE (return on equity, by the way) on a hospital. I would suppose it depends on alot of things, such as is it for profit or not. Do YOU know what it should be? Do you know what it is currently?
Charging $9 for an aspirin (it happens) is no different than Haliburten charging $600 for a toilet seat. It’s fraud. But I suppose that’s OK when it’s a crooked defense contractor run by Republican cronies with tight bonds to the Vice President.
You are the joke. Have you been to a hospital lately? I had a broken rib and by the time it was all said and done I had about 12 different entities billing me from thinking about taking an x-ray, actually taking the x-ray, looking at the x-ray, discussing the x-ray with me, etc., etc., etc. It was mind boggling. Surely it can be run more efficiently and therefore more cost effective. Just because medicare is paying doesn’t give them carte blanche to stick it to the taxpayer.
Sgt., I said “seem to know Jack Schitt” and Chicken Little is what I am calling the right, not you in particular. The entire conservative side is suggesting the sky is falling but every day I look out there, I see a sunny sky with things improving. The Right can have their glass half empty, mine is half full and will remain that way once Obama is re-elected in a little over a month.
Agent, they don’t want to watch the Obama supporters videos. The fact remains that the questions are relevannt no matter who asks them and proves that there are a lot of “uninformed” Obama voters.
Talk about uninformed Obama voters. From what I see on IJ, from death panels to just down-right lies and mistruths, there seem to be MORE uninformed Republicans out there spreading fear and contempt in their usual fashion. Why don’t you go back to denegrating entire races and ethnicities of people and leave the politics with people that have the facts. You are very good at being a bigot – not so much with presenting a fair and unbiased picture of reality.
Sargent, Libby is in total denial about the Death Panels of bureaucrats who will be denying care to seniors under Obamacare. Had she bothered to read the bill, she would have seen it. While it may not have technically been called death panels, the bureaucracy is in place to make the life and death decisions on citizens and the doctors will be helpless when the appeal is denied. Thank you Obama for throwing seniors under the bus.
Libby said- What does the amount of underwriting leverage for an insurance carrier have to do with cutting reimbursements to hospitals? I don’t the “correct” ROE (return on equity, by the way) on a hospital. I would suppose it depends on alot of things, such as is it for profit or not. Do YOU know what it should be? Do you know what it is currently?
Poor Libby, Return on investment has alot to do with cutting back payments to hospitals because you are taking away reimbursement money which has an impact on their ability to make money which has an impact oon the hospitals return on the money invested in them. If the investors don’t like it, they take their money somewhere else and the hospital can die. Thats what. Maybe Barry should initiate tort reform first. Or cut off able bodied welfare recipients and illegal aliens to reduce the cost of medicine. The reasons there are so many tests, reviews and more tests are 1.) they want to make sure you are OK and 2.) They have to cover their A** so when they get sued because you ran over a child in a crosswalk they can prove it was because you were smoking dope and not because you did not have the right testing done.
And yes, I do know what the ROE for a hospital should be. You ready? Since we are a capitalist society it should be whatever they earn given the invested capital, their operating structure and their efficiency in the operation. If they don’t make it it is not because a socialized federal healthcare program helps put them out of business.
Your buddy is the one who said insurers and hospitals charge to much. Insurers pay whatever the schedule calls for. They did not pay $9 for an aspirin. The schedule has nothing to do with the reimbursement, just look at medicare reimbursements now. They pay what the schedule calls for not what is billed and neither does your insurer. But if it is up to Obama he will cut reimbursements again by $716 Billion dollars. That is not fair to Seniors, period
You still did not answer my question about what insurance carrier underwriting has to do with hospitals ROE.
I understand what an ROE is and how it operates. I also understand that uninsured people are charged $9 for an aspirin and they DO NOT have an insurance company to fall back on fee scheduling. That’s the whole point, poor, poor, deluded Sarge.
And “And yes, I do know what the ROE for a hospital should be. You ready? Since we are a capitalist society it should be whatever they earn given the invested capital, their operating structure and their efficiency in the operation.” is a bunch of double speak for you don’t know what an average ROE is for a hospital. Just that it should make money. I’m pretty sure I mentioned the question whether it was a for-profit or non-profit hospital before I could answer your ROE question. You don’t know any more about the ROE or running of a hospital than I do. The difference is, I don’t pretend to know.
Libby, that’s the very difference. Whereas, we do our research, look for answers, facts, truths, the conservatives just pretend to know. Even Paul Ryan has said, about their budget, A) I haven’t run the numbers yet and B) I don’t have time to get into the math. They just pretend to know it’s going to work. They’re like the Muppet Babies, just make believe all day long. Hence, the fantasy world they live in. Ze plane, ze plane!
Libby, you are an idiot if you can’t figure out that cutting payments to insurers and cutting payments to hospitals has an impact on the profitability of both.
In an email above, your buddy said that the $716 billion cut in medicare was nothing but a rollback or cuts in payments to insurers and hospitals Did you even read that?). Then he said, that is because insurers and hospitals charge to much. So try to follow along. Cutting payments (or rolling back payments to prior levels )means there is less money for the insurers and the hospitals but they have the same costs. That means they have less revenue to work with. That means they make less profit. That means there is less return on the investment the sharholders have in the company. Their option, increase revenue or cut costs. Increasing revenue is out because Barry is dictating what medicare/nedicaid will pay. If they cut costs what does that mean? Less staff, less MRI and CatScan equipment etc, longer delays on testing and poor healthcare quality.
As far as poor people being charged $9 for an aspirin that is bull. If they are poor then they are on medicaid and they pay the hospital. If they are illegal they come in under emergency medicaid and medicaid again pays.
Just curious Libby, are you self employed or do you work for a company, agency??
First of all, Sarge, your statement said “the amount of underwriting leverage”, not the amount of profit. If you were talking about the ability of the insurance company to make a profit you should have said so. Not some bullshit double speak again. Health insurance carriers have had years of record profits, dingaling. I don’t think it has “trickled down” to better care. So that one I don’t buy.
Also, I said NOTHING about poor people paying $9 for an aspirin. I said UNINSURED people. Big difference. But then again, you wouldn’t know because you are neither poor or uninsured, are you? I have a wonderful friend who’s husband has had 9 back surgeries. She’s gone through her 401k and all their savings and still had to declare bankruptcy. I’m sure she paid $9 for an aspirin.
She is not “poor” and works very hard and so did he until he became disabled. He applied for SSID and was denied. These are real life situations that happen to hard-working people that are very loved in this world. You don’t know what you’re talking about when it comes to this and you should just shut your bigoted mouth about it. I want these wonderful people to have an option for health care that won’t bankrupt them. I don’t care about you and your narrow-minded vision of the world.
They charge too much to Medicare/caid, Sgt. Major. Because, as set out in a previous bill, the government is not allowed to go looking for the best deal. They have to pay what they are billed. And, yes, there is proof of a $9 pill of aspirin charged to the gov’t. These types of charges are what the Obama Admin. is fighting against and this is where a majority of the $716B is coming from.
There has to be. Business 98 from High School. The purpose of a business is to turn a profit. Without Profit, there is no business. Health, retail cloting store – dont matter. Has to be a profit.
Once lawyers were allowed to advertise, things went to hell.
1-800-bad drug all over tv among many other ones. Another IJ article stated that health premiums have escalate over 50% since 2009.
BTW, I used to have a bunch of NFP on the book. Most are gone because of cut funding – recently since this jack ass took over in Springfield.
Somebody watched the debates last night…That was a comment from Obama. I imagine it’s fresh on your mind.
Here’s something else worth noting: Insurance compaines build captial from claims not paid over time, to claims which are paid.
For catastrophic claims, this provides more coverage.
There is no preventitive care for cancer. Heart attacks lead to 1/3 deaths in America. There is no medical preventitive care for these either. The private system provides more for these services, by prioritizing them over needless small claims. Not only that, they make sure the small issues are paid for by people who can afford it, so that more money goes to the big. More importantly, they leave any money that is not spent on the big in a big pile to grow. This growth, is more effective than the government’s ability to pay out. It leaves more dollars for catastrophic care.
Old news, CT. Haven’t you got anything better than that? I didn’t think so. That’s why Obama is getting 4 MORE YEARS! Now go to bed. It’s past your bedtime.
I knew you’d be the first one to post something about this Libby. It’s not old news. It doesn’t matter if his hate speech happened 5 years or 5 days ago. The man is a racist, he is a liar, he is a piece of s***. He’s a flip-flopper, an ego maniac, a narcissist. He is incompetent, disappointing, and a socialist. He is arrogant, unqualified, and untrustworthy. I could go on, but I’m sure I’ve made my point…which you will argue because of that liberal mental defect.
Have you even heard the speech CT? It’s not hate, it’s fact. The feds waived the requirement for matching funds for Hurrican Andrew and 9/11, but not for Katrina. A catastrophe that affected mainly poor, minority people in the south. Nothing racist or hate-filled in it. Just the facts.
Re-releasing the video is a pathetic attempt by the other side to deflect attention from Romney’s 47% remarks, but people have a much longer memory than Romney gives them credit for.
I would not have brought it up if I didn’t see the speech, Libby. Not hate? Are you effing kidding me? It sounds like you are the one who didn’t see it. What a fool.
October 3, 2012 at 11:25 am
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You done calling me names yet?
October 3, 2012 at 11:29 am
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Well, I guess as soon as you stop calling me a dumb-ass, I’ll stop calling you a fool. How’s that? Too snarky for you?
October 3, 2012 at 11:30 am
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Deal.
October 3, 2012 at 11:43 am
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It’s a deal, Libby. No reason we can’t be civil. And, I mean that.
October 3, 2012 at 11:47 am
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Me, too.
October 3, 2012 at 6:37 pm
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Good for you two.
October 3, 2012 at 11:12 am
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There are plenty of tapes out there to use in his own words to see where he is coming from. They talk in black slang when giving a speech in a Black Church. How sorry of them to do that. Hilary did the same thing when she was running. They know they have the Blacks in their pocket so why not promote some hatred against whites and tell them Republicans will take their benefits away. Actually, the lot of the Blacks have gone down in the past 4 years and their unemployment rate is close to double what the whites are. Where are all those shovel ready jobs, Mr. President? Oops! The green jobs didn’t work out so well, did they?
He IS black, in case you haven’t noticed. So why shouldn’t he talk in “black slang” as you call it. You’re a pathetic racist. There is no hatred to whites. The hate is coming from the other side, pal.
That’s what my husband calls me! How’d you know that?
October 3, 2012 at 11:30 am
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So you never did tell me. Is it Bridgeport or Greenwich? I’d bet Bridgeport based on your posts here.
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Half-white? Who cares? So what, he’s faking the funk on a nasty dunk, is that what you’re trying to say? OK, so he’s the Jerry Seinfeld cookie, it doesn’t really matter. What he was speaking to was true. Unless you think, “You’re doing a hell of a job, Brownie!” In which case, the moronic comments are staring at the mouth in the mirror. Uh-oh, the “man in the mirror” – another white but black person – and he even wore just 1 white glove. 1 black hand, 1 white hand – are those 2 related?
October 3, 2012 at 11:41 am
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You will never know what town in FF county I live. I would never divulge that info on line.
October 3, 2012 at 11:46 am
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Oh brother. Think someone out there will stalk you? As if. You made a big deal of living in Fairfield County, the “gold coast” of CT as you called it (as if there is such a thing). So I have to think you live nowhere near Greenwich or Westport. And you probably aren’t that hot, either. You’re trying too hard CT. Real women don’t have to try. We just are.
October 3, 2012 at 11:23 am
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Do you know when that video was first available? 2007. You know what else? It’s factual. You know what else? GObama 2012!
Did you read my comment, Captain Airhead? I mentioned that it was 5 yrs ago. My point…wtf does it matter? 5 years…5 days…5 minutes. The man is a racist and it’s finally come out for sure…you left wingnuts cannot stand it.
I wont be watching the debates tonight. Same old tired crap from both sides.
I would not believe anything out of oBamas mouth either. He is from Crook County which is on the most corrupt state in the nation.
Did you see he purchased the empty prison in Thompson IL? Now, Ill can house their own crooks -lighten the burdeon on In, Co & WI. Maybe, when it comes out what he knew about the sale of the Senate Seat, he just wanted a place to be close to home.
October 3, 2012 at 2:35 pm
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Captain Airhead – nice – more hijinx from the elementary playground. Careful, CT Agent, things like that at recess could get your name on the board with a check when you get back to homeroom.
Captain says- “And, to your point about profit. My personal take – there shouldn’t be a profit motive between me and my health.”
So your at least a socialist and probably a communist? You had better hope there is profit in healthcare and competition also or the quality of the healthcare will be in the toilet for all and the eventual cost will be as much or more than it is now. That is the federal government way. That is why the pay $600.00 for a toilet seat. You could always move to Russia, I hear they have government run healthcare. Or even Canada for that matter
FYI for ANYONE who thinks the tape is the October Surprise. It was first reported on Fox on Tuesday, June 5, 2007. Hardly a surprise and probably why it’s no longer a headline on “Drudge”. The Right shoots, it misses.
The actual October Surprise was the wonderful Labor Department massaging the unemployment numbers to bring it down to 7.8% the month before the election. What a crock! They only had 114,000 jobs created when 250,000 are needed to keep the rate the same and mysteriously, the rate went down. Perhaps another 300-400,000 gave up looking for work and dropped out of the system like they have been doing the past couple of years. Also, there has been a big rise in people applying for Social Security Disability when their 99 weeks are up. Boy, they are sure creating those jobs, aren’t they?
How did I get pulled into this one? I make very decent money, Sarge. In fact, I’m one of those that has to pay more for my health insurance because I am in the high-wage earner capacity in my agency. So, once again, you don’t know what you’re talking about. But nice try. Take your pot shots elsewhere.
I am not a wholesale, FFA. I am an agent, or as I prefer to call it, a broker. As I represent my client, the insured, and not the insurance carrier. That’s Insurance 101. The difference between an agent and a broker. I AM NOT AN UNDERWRITER.
October 8, 2012 at 4:26 pm
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When I came in the business, I was told I am a Field Underwriter. Should a risk pass my inspection, then I pass it to the decision makers – the Company Underwriter.
If your a field agent such as I am, you dont want to take on head aches.
I run a highly profitable agency and been offered 3x for my book recently because of the onus money that I earn. Its not dumb luck my loss runs look as good as they do. Its because I underwrite business before I submit it. Didnt realize being an Underwriter was some sort of insult. I just assumed Broker – agent, what ever, we all underwrite if nothing else but to protect the rate structure.
October 8, 2012 at 4:31 pm
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I care about my clients and their rate structure and cost of risk. Not so much concerned about the carrier. They will find a way to make money. My focus is on controlling risk for my clients. Technically, I am a licensed agent, but I prefer to call myself a broker since I represent the client’s needs to the carrier.
October 8, 2012 at 4:53 pm
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Weather you realize it or not, your unnderwriting at the field level. Your looking at proper placement of the risk you have in front of you. You put it in to the correct company and get it by the company underwriter because of what info you have gathered.
To further the example, your not going to put a substandard risk into a preferred carrier.
October 9, 2012 at 11:47 am
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Yes, there is some underwriting involved in what I do, but there is so much more. Assisting the client with risk control, which may or may not include insurance as a risk transfer mechanism, monitoring claims, negotiating with the carrier for the best product at the best price, troubleshooting, etc. I am much more than just a field underwriter, but I also do field underwriting.
October 9, 2012 at 11:59 am
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FFA, I have been at this for over 30 years in the P&C end. We have always been field underwriters for companies. They want us to inspect properties, take photos, do the preliminary work on the business, do the apps, get the Loss Runs etc, all for a diminishing commission. We do want the risk to stick so we go the extra mile. As an agent and not a broker, we are sometimes caught between our representing the company and representing the client. That is somewhat of a dilemma or in other words caught between a rock and a hard place. I lean more toward the client than the company unless they are wrong.
October 9, 2012 at 12:01 pm
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The client pays the bills. They are always right, even when they aren’t. And if you work on a fee basis, you can eliminate any conflict with commission-based compensation.
October 9, 2012 at 12:50 pm
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And what is so insulting about being an Underwriter. Its an honest job that pays an honest buck.
I have a hard time with Fee based services. I knwo many of my peers fee things, but I just cant bring myself to do that. Except for both my teenager jobs, I have always worked commission. Pay me what I deserve because I earned it not because I am entitled.
October 9, 2012 at 12:53 pm
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A fee is not an entitlement. It is a fee for service not tied to premium dollars. Why should I make more in a hard market and less in a soft market for the same amount of work? And the insured does not have to worry that I am placing business with a carrier because of the commission rate or profit sharing bonus.
I find being called an underwriter insulting because I have never seen one work as hard as a agent. An agent can’t say “no thanks” to the client when they come to you with a difficult situation. An underwriter just says “I’ll pass”. Plus the agent is the go-between and has to feed 2 masters. Not an easy task and it takes experience, finesse, and negotiating skills to do it well. It’s much more difficult than underwriting.
October 10, 2012 at 10:51 am
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All true points. No argument from me on them until it comes to the insult part. There is nothing insulting about a legit job paying a legit buck. They dont work as hard, they dont make as much.
Another point to agree to disagree on.
That’s fine, I just don’t like being called an underwriter. That’s all.
October 3, 2012 at 3:32 pm
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Once apon a time before I was old enough to even think about politics, a Republican President made a speech. The big catch phrase was “Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country!”
Anyone know who said that? What ever happened to that guiding thought?
Nice fact checking, Libby. Can’t believe FFA went that route. It’s almost so sad it’s funny he thought that was a Repub.
Obama must have heard that message, too. He is working extremely hard for this country.
What did Romney do when the country came calling for him? Oh yeah, he ran away to a foreign beach. He’s above war. And, if he gets in office, the 47% will be eating Soylent Green. “It’s peeeeople. It’s peeeople!”
4 years of not passing a budget, and when the republicans tried to force him to put his plan on the table it didn’t get one single vote from democrats.
That’s really trying. Go fact check that one Captain.
Are you fully aware of what that means? We are operating on BUSH’s budget. That is correct. The one you hate.
And not only that, Obama specifically stated that everyone knew the budget would be bad because it had automatic triggers for the recession. Triggers which were made by…Republican George W Bush.
I have seen you try to call Romney George W. If he were (which he’s not) then he must be caring for the 47 correct? Since his triggers are in effect right now. Not Obama’s.
Obama extended those triggers (in the particular field of unemployment being given out longer) so he must really be a George W.
Wasnt that FDR, a Democrat? I was trying to be Snarky. Did I get it right?
Whom ever it was, we should dig him up and have him give it again.
too many people asking – no demanding their country do something for them.
All right then. Not going to learn something new today.
October 4, 2012 at 2:30 pm
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Isn’t it a shame that the party of Truman & Kennedy has degenerated into the Progressive Socialis Party we have now? If Kennedy were alive with the same beliefs he had then, it would line up as a moderate Republican. LBJ started the give a way program with his War on Poverty with the robbed Social Security Trust Fund and it has steadily degenerated from there.
There have been some good points made on both sides, but the pettiness and immaturity shown in the majority of the comments is an embarrassment to the insurance profession.
Didnt say you. Cant deny they are out.
This does confuse me. This bill pulls a perfectly good marketable product out of the mix.
Why do you fight so hard for this?
His remarks about Insurance Industry being Immoral should be insulting to everyone in the business.
Good Job Bob. In fact since he could not come up with abudget that even his own henchmen would pass, Ol Barry extended all of the Bush tax cuts. He did not have the B*lls to do anything about them. No budget and that means no plan to pay for Obummercare. Now he wants to get relected so he can put forth a mindless and useless plan on everyone because he does not have to worry about being President for a thrd term. He really is the “T*rd in the punchbowl”. Let’s hope the Republicans keep control of the House
The good news is that Romney’s performance has him surging in the polls and several have him ahead in the battleground states. All he has to do is keep the momentum and take it to the President in the coming debates. I bet Obama studies a little harder for the next one. No View, no Letterman and no altitude excuses. Ryan will also hand Bite Me his head in their debate as well. Bite Me just said they were going to raise taxes $1Trillion. That should go over very well with the American People who are strapped and don’t need any more taxes put on them including all the new taxes in Obummercare.
Another Democrat thought – Why are they allowing Jesse Jr to remain on the ballott? He has been absent from work for Months. He is undergoing intense treatment for who knows how long. He has been diagnosed with a Mental Disorder. Why is he still on the ballott? Someone with a sever mental disorder that needed inpatient treatment at Mayo Clinic. Maybe he is just setting up an insanity defense for when the feds bust him for trying to buy the senate seat? Any thoughts from you brianeak Democrats out there? What does OBama know about it? What does Rahm know about it?
Jr wife was on the local news last night. No clue when he is going to make a public appearance. I do sympathize and realize the need for privacy. He is a public official. The people that represent him have a need to see him. But, he has been off the job for some time. Peolpe got to be smart enough to vote against him. He is not fit to work as evidence of his extended leave.
What – no comments on the debate? ABC Local news had “Truth Finder” on the local new after the debate. Seems OBama scored higher on the lying then did Romney by one. I would have expected a wider margin as OBama is from Illinois. The one lie that Romney did tell was surprising. He stated that oBama 2x the deficit. Not True according to Chuck Goudie. Deficit was $10 Trill when oBama took over. It is now $16T. He only increased the deficit by $6T in just 4 short years. Give OBama another 4 years it still wont be true, he will have moved that up to $22T which is more then 2X.
Me, I did not watch. I did my LTC Certification.
FFA, You missed a real treat. I bet Planet & Libby were choking on their popcorn and beer and had to be recusitated halfway through. Even the farthest left supporter Bill Maher said he couldn’t believe how bad the President did and that he needed the teleprompter. Romney was in total control and had a command of the facts not seen in a debate before. Unlike Mr. Reach across the aisle McCain 4 years ago, Romney looked Presidential and took it to the President and did it with a smile on his face and was not mean to him. Romney shows real leadership and Obama looked pathetic and defensive. It really showed that he had Lurch Kerry as his debate coach. On the other hand, Portman did a masterful job of preparing Mitt. The media is downplaying the bump, but I think it will be telling when they come out.
I was surprised to see how well Romney did last night. I have to hand it to him, he did well. I don’t agree that Obama was pathetic and defensive, but he did not have his usual energy. But then again, he has a country to run and doesn’t have all day to practice.
Yes. I guess it takes some effort to send $350M to a country that just murdered our innocent citizens.
Obama is at UW Madison today. My Niece attends that school and will be skipping class to go see him. The question I want answered is why send that kind of money to Egypt when we have starving people on the home land. No matter how small a %% it is Libby, it can go a long way to feed a lot of hungry people.
As a president, he is really failing the American People on that front. Even you can see that.
Since when are you for the government feeding hungry people? I thought you were against “entitlements”.
October 4, 2012 at 2:27 pm
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I am aginst people taking advantage like my daughter – “Why should I get a job when I get more sitting at home?”
I am agianst her getting a $3-% K tax refund when she never got off her but long enough to earn less then that.
She needs to starve before she gets motivated to get off her ass. Maybe oBummer cutting her off would motivate her.
October 4, 2012 at 2:53 pm
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Foreign Murders vs Americans? Easy decision there Libby.
October 4, 2012 at 3:01 pm
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Hilary said she would check on the investigation and get back to Congress with a report. Do you think that report will come back before the election? I think not. By the way, the FBI finally showed up in Benghazi 3 weeks after the fact to start their investigation. Nice response time FBI.
October 5, 2012 at 12:32 pm
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Sorry fact checkers – OBunmmer is at UW Madison today, not yesterday.
October 4, 2012 at 2:22 pm
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Libby, this man has not had to answer a tough question in 4 years since the media has given him a total pass. Perhaps if they had vetted him properly and gave him some tough questions over his decisions he would have been sharper. This man has no record to run on so he was hanging his head often and would not even look Romney in the eye. I believe he thought Lehrer would give him another pass and all he had to do was show up and grin at the camera and declare victory. His campaign is in total panic mode now and we now see the smartest man in the room is not so bright. I hope you stop with the excuses for this abysmal performance. If he had time to go on Letterman and The View, he had time to prepare for this important debate.
Agent, I complimented your guy. Wasn’t easy for me, but I did it. That’s all you’re getting. The debate did not change my mind, but if hell freezes over and he is elected I will not pack my bags and move to Canada.
October 4, 2012 at 2:50 pm
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I know this debate did not change your mind since you are so committed to your guy, but you have to admit the narrative has changed now and there was a huge audience – 50+million households and Romney may have sealed the deal for a lot of those undecideds who really don’t like what was going on for 4 years, but haven’t seen the real Mitt yet since they have been fed all the lies by the lame stream media. I do believe the attack dogs will be unleashed for the next one and Mitt had better get ready for it.
October 4, 2012 at 2:54 pm
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I, too, think we’ll see a different style of debate next time. Should be an interesting 5 weeks.
October 4, 2012 at 2:40 pm
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Seemed like he had his designer hair piece on. If the only thing he his hiding is a bald head, then hes the man! Beside that he was named after something a B Ball player uses.
Well, one thing is for sure, he didn’t send a thrill up Chris Matthews leg. Matthews wants him to watch more MSNBC with him and madcow to get his talking points. Blame meister Axelrod said it was the altitude that affected him and that is why he didn’t have the energy. Kind of strange since he has visited Colorado on a regular basis to fund raise and give speeches and it didn’t affect him for those events. This is a total meltdown going on now. They just can’t believe the Messiah is human after all. To us, it just showed he wasn’t qualified for the office in the first place.
October 8, 2012 at 5:24 pm
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Actually FFA, he keeps his hair cut down so low, it doesn’t show his gray so much. He is turning gray so fast now trying to defend his non-existent record. I think lying also makes the gray sprout faster than telling the truth. Perhaps Michelle should rub some of that Grecian formula on him to keep his youthful look. Either that or feed him some more broccoli and carrots and hold the ice cream.
October 9, 2012 at 11:53 am
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FFA was talking about Mitt Romney (Get it? Mitt. Something a baseball player uses?)
October 5, 2012 at 9:37 am
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I see where you are coming from FFA, but I think Romney was talking about the annual debt. Bush had one of about $550 Billion his last year and Obama took it to $1 Trillion plus where it has remained for the past 4 years. In fact, we reached $1 Trillion in August this year so it is likely to be in the $1.6 Trillion range by the end of the year. That is quite a track record. One thing Romney brought out that I didn’t know was when Obama started grousing about the $2.8 Billion in tax credits to Oil & Gas, Romney countered with the $90 Billion in tax credits given to Wind & Solar/Green companies, most of which went belly up after using up their loan money. I guess we now don’t have to worry about them taking tax credits since they are no longer in business and can’t contribute to the Obama campaign anymore.
Ok. Thanks. Obviously not paying much attention as my mind is made up.
I will never support someone that want to fund Terrorists so the can buy weapons to murder our citizens in cold blood.
As much as I am against our citizens keeping their hand out for what ever OBoma has to give, I am more against the foreign funding as a whole and in particular Terrorist Nations that kill innocent people. Time to pull all americans out of the Mid East. We were once a Self Sufficent NAtion, we can be that again.
Nancy Lugosi is now blaming the Republicans for the Benghazi attack that killed the Ambassador. They are pretty good at blaming someone else for their failures, aren’t they? The fact was that the Administration cut $129 million from the State Dept for security and construction at the embasssies. Now, Nancy is saying the Republicans refused to fund the State Dept. You know what, they seem to find the money to send to Egypt to fund the Muslim Brotherhood, didn’t they?
Maybe OBama & Biden can apply for the opeing at the Embasy in Libya come November.
October 4, 2012 at 12:03 pm
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No time to practice because he has a country to run? Did you mean too busy running around fund-raising?…important meetings with foreign leaders and dignitaries, such as Beyonce and JayZ?…important interviews…on The View? What???
There may be myriad reasons to either vote for or against Mr. Obama, but I can think of one word, and one word alone, as ample justification as to why he should be defeated in November: BENGAHZI
I don’t think Romney plays golf. Anyway, he will be too busy rolling back all those executive orders, repealing and replacing Obamacare, getting rid of the EPA hierarchy, and getting rid of a bunch of agencies and merging departments so we can get a bunch of those Federal bureacrats off of our payroll. This government needs to do some serious shrinking and then we can think about balancing the budget. If he gives Small Business a break, opens up the Energy development, builds the Keystone pipeline, millions of jobs will be created. That is how you get the economy going again.
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Why meet with Isreal Prime Minister Netanyahu and discuss Irans nuclear capability and what to do about it when you can have serious discussion with Whoopi Goldberg and Joy Behar? Why enact any Simpson/Bowles recommendations when you can kibitz with Beyonce, JayZ, Flo-Rida and David Letterman?
What a buffoon and a liar. When you look at fact check you find out how many lies and half truths Barry made during the debate.
Vote him out in November.
Whats to discuss? Bomb the crap out of them until the threat is gone. You know, no matter what they say, they are going forward with their plan what ever it may be. What ever it takes to stop them for getting a Nuke is the only thing to discuss. Appears obvious.
Hey, I am with you. But we don’t need to send troops. Israel should be able to handle this on their own with a little help from us. If only Barry would even meet with him. No, Obama would rather have Hillary apologize for a video that wasn’t even the cause of the embassy takeover and killings and Obama is mixing with the Hollyood pukes. He is out today saying- “The Romney you saw last night was not really him. Yeah right. Barry, you had your a*s handed to you and now you have to go after the man. I will bet he is from Chicago.
You know what they say in Chicago don’t you. Never take a knife to a gunfight. Axelrod and his minions are re-assessing their strategy and from now on, it will be personal and ugly. Romney & Ryan had better be ready for it. The American People are going to get a real load of how bad Obama & Biden really are for the next weeks in this campaign. They have nothing to run on except to paint Romney & Ryan as the bad guys. We, the People will see this for what it is and dispatch them to retirement.
Yes, they will get their Pensions, Perks, gold plated Healthcare, not Obamacare and Secret Service protection. Perhaps the Secret Service duty will not be so bad if he retires all the way to Hawaii instead of the frozen tundra of Chicago in January.
This Global warming stuff is hitting Chicago. Only had to plow once last year. Its the frozen Tundra of Lambeau Field – Green Bay.
October 4, 2012 at 3:47 pm
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Agent, sorry about them Rangers. Was rally pulling for them. Demps deserves a chance at the big dance after rotting in baseball hell know as Cinn & the Cubs. Sotos got time.
Thanks FFA. They had a great year and the past two years and came within one out of winning it all last year. I am afraid they are out of pitching and their bats went silent the last 2 weeks. I look for them to bow out early in the playoffs. Josh Hamilton will be shopping his wares in the off season. The Yankees will probably buy him.
I am not sure the White Sox have enough money to pay for this guy. He will command a tremendous amount to sign him. The Red Sox may jump into it since they didn’t have much luck this year. Whatever he gets will be too much. He is good, but why bankrupt a team to get one guy? I can’t imagine how many extra fans they will have to draw to offset the cost. What is amazing to me is how the A’s do it on a payroll that is about one third the average of teams in the major leagues. Did you see the movie – Moneyball? That is all about what the A’s General Manager has wheeled and dealed to put a team together. They also have a great manager and coaches and have developed their pitching. They lose them after a few years of success, but keep replacing them with others that can do the job. This is just what we need to do on the political scene. Replace the politicians who don’t do the job and hire the ones who can. It was pretty apparent last night who was Presidential and had command of the facts and could actually lead the country.
I hope you get to go see a playoff game Sargent. Detroit is a very good team with a chance to go all the way. Good pitching with Verlander and others and timely hitting will go a long way.
My Fantasy QB surpassed Johnny U record. Both Class Acts in my book. Was great to see Joe U (johnnys Son) on hand.
What a great time to be live. Some of sports all time great play / played during my time on earth. Now, if the Cubs would just get their s&^% togeather, my sports life would come full circle.
Yes, I plan at least one game. Not sure about how deep we might go. We have been better the last two months especially at home but we have had some tough losses. We will see. We could use a couple of pitchers (doesn’t everyone) and our closer (great last year with 50 saves) has not done nearly as well. We will see. Go Tigers!
Well Sargent, I empathize with you today on the Tiger/A’s game. Oakland gets beat the whole game and figures out a way to beat you at the end. They were a major thorn in the side of the Rangers as well. I hope the Tiger’s figure out a way to win the series with Verlander going, but one cannot count the A’s out. They have a bunch of no name players making major league minimum salaries, but they are a team to reckon with. I was hoping the Orioles would put NY down, but they didn’t so that will go down to the wire as well. The playoffs do have a lot of drama, I must admit.
Well, my niece did not go to the OBama Rally at UW Madison. She was actually pissed as the ralley was being help outside the building where she was in class. She stated she is paying for an education. Had Obama been doing his thing when she was not in class, she probably would have went. But, she is paying for class, she wanted to be in class.
Cool. I have never even caught a foul ball even at the local Minor League facility much less Wriggley or Comisky. Never a brush with anyone famous. I saw Dan Hampton in a parade once. WO HOOOO! Ronnie WoWo at a Cubs game once. When the NFL Power House people were in town, Jerry Jones was at my local bar. I was out of town. Thats it.
Why am I not surprised? It looks like a genetic thing in your family. I wonder if she passed out like you probably did when the Messiah went into brain lock during the debate. It must have been the altitude, right? Some of the answers he gave to questions were incoherent to the most intelligent analysts of political debate. He had everyone from both sides of the aisle scratching their heads to explain it.
Do you agree with any of Romney’s positions or are you still stuck with the failed Obama positions/policies of the past 4 years? I get the feeling that you know deep down that it hasn’t worked, but are too stubborn to admit it.
October 9, 2012 at 12:32 pm
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Romney impressed me, but I do not agree on his philosphy about life and therefore can not, in good conscience, vote for him. Sorry.
October 9, 2012 at 12:51 pm
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So Libby, how do you feel about the brand new Obamacare tax that went into effect Oct 1st? It will penalize hospitals if they re-admit a patient within 30 days of their discharge. This will certainly affect Medicare patients since many have serious illnesses, have setbacks and need hospitalization. Hospitals will start refusing re-admittance because they will be fined for doing so. Elderly patients will be relegated to nursing homes to die. And you claim there are no Death Panels. Is this not a form of Death Panels?
October 9, 2012 at 12:59 pm
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Instead of releasing them too early to make room for a higher paying patient, the hospital will have to make sure they are ready to be released before doing so. It’s IMPROVING the level of care, not the opposite.
And they will not refuse readmittance because then they’ll get sued. They will be forced to improve the level of care they currently provide to medicare patients.
And everyone knows nursing homes cost a whole heck of alot in the long run. No-one wants that. Let’s get them healthy, even if it means a few more days in the hospital, so they can go home and continue to live their lives.
Why are Republicans such doomsayers? Everything is doom and gloom with you people. Can’t you see a bright side to anything?
October 9, 2012 at 1:41 pm
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Why you ask? because I just “laid off” another full time worker. Put him straight commission. He is not going to make it. He will be filing for unemployment if he dont S%$#. Not getting better. Getting worse.
Usually when an athlete is in a contract year, he excells. OBommer is making things worse.
October 9, 2012 at 1:53 pm
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How can you afford to carry a producer that can’t validate? There is an interesting blog about commission splits, etc. that you might want to look at for some ideas. The link is:
I cant afford a salary any more. Lost a hand full of accounts due to 2 deaths of the business owners, 2 that cant pay their bills any more, one cause the carrier pulled out and the other, some BORed away from me and one wiyh an extremly poor loss history. One claim accounted for 90% of ly losses last year. With out that claim, I doubt over all agency would have had a 20% loss ration.
October 9, 2012 at 5:07 pm
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If you can’t vote for Romney because you disagree with his philosophy on life, that is a pretty weak excuse. He is not going to overturn Roe v Wade anyway. What are you worried about? You should just stay home rather than vote for Obama. Polls show Romney picking up tremendous strength with women now. What war on women? Men & Women want a President who is strong on the economy, knows what it takes to create conditions favorable to create jobs and start healing the country from the abuses of the past 4 years. We can’t do what we have been doing over and over and expect a different result.
October 10, 2012 at 8:15 am
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Calling it a weak excuse is insulting to me, Agent. I have my reasons and that should be enough for you. This is America, after all. Having a man tell me what women “want” is also insulting. Don’t presume to know me and my thoughts. I will vote for whoever I choose to vote for, as will you. Please be respectful of that.
October 10, 2012 at 12:46 pm
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Libby:
I had been trying not to respond to you put I will on the point to agent: He spoke about a trend, and more women are trending toward Romney at last. The trend away and war with women is a fallacy, and Agent is allowed to comment on that.
But more importantly: Don’t tell agent that just because you are a woman you can speak for all of them, and determine whether or not there is a war on women. That’s not within your ability unless you had at least researched what women get compared to men (which you have not) and then interviewed all women about what they believe they are being denied. (which you haven’t) Asking how women “feel” is not a relevant methodology. Of course they “feel” there is a war (the feminists). But then you have to find the validity, and what tangible actual item is being denied (again, methodology. Something you lack the ability to comprehend)
There is no war on women.
They receive more benefits, more medicare, maternity leave, a majority of the time they receive the child and the child care, (my boss is a business owner with a decent income. The judge gave custody of the child to his alcoholic wife and then awarded a huge sum of our business owner’s earnings to the wife. In the court hearing he was so mad he called the female judge a sexist bitch. He was audited 4 times over the next 5 years. The 4th finally apologized and said the owner here was the most honest man he had ever met, and admitted the audits were DUE TO THE JUDGE, a feminst)
There is more wrong happening right now to men then women. When you are pregnant you receive a free excuse from work. Men don’t get that. When you’re sick you now get care and screenings for your breast cancer as part of Obama Care. We don’t get prostate exams as part of the new bill.
You cost more to cover in insurance. Thanks to “woman’s” rights activists, you not only cost more, you have more laws attemp[ting to keep your premium equal to men’s. You consider that a good thing. Men cost less because they use less healthcare, and they die younger than you. And right now, you’re honestly arguing to get the same premiums, live longer, more treatment, more medicare, more pay (despite costing the workforce more) equal insurance premiums despite requiring more coverage, etc. You’re robbing men blind, you feminsts right now (not all women)
Don’t talk about a war against women when YOU don’t know the movement against men going on currently.
The average man works more a week than a woman.
The average woman takes time off or lowers hours and seeks jobs with more flexible schedules after they become a parent. The average male does not. This is a large reason behind pay inequality, and yet you want the benefits, the schedule, the ability to not move half way across the country, at equal pay to someone who does not get the beneftis, the schedule, and moves across the country.
It’s selfish. It’s whiny. And more importantly: You get more in society than men already. It’s not even a debate. So quit with the war against women.
October 10, 2012 at 12:52 pm
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Bob – I challenge you to show me where I have EVER said there is a war against women. I have not. YOU ARE WRONG.
Further, I never said I speak for all women. I said I found it insulting for a man to tell me what women want. PERIOD.
I don’t tell you what men want. And I never said anything about who benefits more from society. That’s your constant theme, not mine.
So go away and continue to leave me alone. I liked it that way.
October 10, 2012 at 12:55 pm
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And a “free excuse to get off work” after having a baby? Are you for real?
Argue all you want; you are a sexist pig.
October 10, 2012 at 1:01 pm
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@^^@ you. You said specifically many times that men were trying to hold you down in fifty different ways, whether through abortion, pay inequality, (which we have debated on) or other facets. You ARE a feminst. Do you deny it? You DO believe there is a war on women. Do you deny it? Your excuse to CT agent was something to the extent of “well not a war, but everyone knows women have had to fight more for equal rights”. Which is NOT true. Women have fought differently than men, but throughout our American history they have received more.
Further; “Having a man tell me what women “want” is also insulting.” He wasn’t telling you what women want. That was the point. He was quoting a trend. You #@%$@#ing moron. So you don’t get to say that because you are a woman you get to say that “trend” is not what women want, and what you want is. Got it you dumb @%#?
Learn some %@%@ing dignity and ettiquete, logic, and @$^ing drop the vendictive crap. I’m sick of it, you dishonest, polarized, jack @$$. Your attacks are old. You are a lefty polarized moron who only believe whatever the @@@# democrats tell you. Not a debate on that one.
I’ve quoted things I agree with you on, (gun control) I’ve quoted things I agree with Obama on (mandated 401k contributions) I’ve quoted what would make me vote for Obama (him admitted him and Clinton caused the housing bubble, mainly after Obama triggered CRA regulations for “red lining” against low income borrowers and then pursued triggering the laws which forced companies to give loans with “little to no” income documentation as part of their reviews. If he admitted that, then I would trust him to fix it, and I’d vote for him, regardless of stupid abortion laws which I don’t give a @$%@ about. Your emotional tar is absurd. Your logics are absurd. Your insults are absurd. Your inconsistency and lies about what you yourself believe are absurd. YOU ARE a feminist, YOU DO believe there is a war on women, so don’t you dare tell me that I’m wrong on that and insult me for saying it.
October 10, 2012 at 1:13 pm
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Yes, I am a feminist, but there is no more a war on women than a war on men, you turd.
And I am entitled to be insulted by whatever insults me, which includes YOU.
You’re the pathetic loser that always has to get the last jab in and one-up everyone. I’m sure all your “employees” despise you and laugh behind your back.
So go f*&k YOURSELF.
October 9, 2012 at 1:54 pm
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So, agent, real life example. My dad had a very long drawn out procedure begining of June at Loyola. After 6 days, they send him to a rehab facility (inpatient) per Medicare guidlines. He wakes up the next morning with a terrible head ach. The rehab pumps him full of Morphine to make him comfortable and send him back to Loyola. Turns out they nicked his spinal chord which was a known risk of the procedure. Spinal fluid was leaking into his brain. Would this qualify for the fine? If so, sounds like medicare is going to need to adjust for the out of the ordinary.
This is by no means any type of slam on Loyola. They did a great job with him. The procedure was high risk to begin with. He has one of the top neuro surgeons in the country doing the procedure. I feel that any other Hospital, he stood a very high chance of dying on the table during the procedure.
I do think the surgery did not acomplish what it set out to do as he is now at least 90% totally dependant on others for DLA. They say he would be confined to a home by now if it had not happened. It may have bought him about 8 months of very limited mobility.
You should blame Loyola. If this was a known risk of the surgery, why was he released before they checked for a nick? At the very first sign of a headache, someone should have known immediately what it was given the circumstances.
I do not blame Loyola. I do not blame anyone for that matter. Loyola was the only one willing to attempt the procedure. Everyone knew the risk including my dad. He did not experience any head ach until he was transported. Medicare said send him out so they did per their guidlines. Was a very slow leak that did not surface imediatly.
As of today, he can still move his arms & legs. He can still stand for a minute or so. Without the surgery he would be paralized now. Doct are predicting by year end he will be paralized. So, it bought him about 4-6 months of limited mobility. Is he better off? He thinks so. Is my mom? Absolutly not. Begining stages of Alheizmers. Needs assistance herself. She is curently taking care of his DLA but is at a point where her disease is progressing.
Better off? Depends on your defination of better off. Depends on what day of the week it is. Depends on what my brother is up to. He been emebzelling large sums of money since Jan 09 on a regular basis. There will only be an estate to bankrupt further sticking joe tax payer with a large bill. Would have been better off tossing his ass on the streets. I see this and look at my daughter and wonder…
I’ve been told my life would be better suited for reality TV then the Kardashians. Last 24 months been nothing but one pile of s#$@ after another.
My niece is in school. I funded college for my daughter. She blew it off when she got pregnant the second time and has been dead on her ass since. My daughter is the one with the mind set – “Why get a job when I get more on Unemployment?”
Dont know what to do to get her to find a job aside from getting her kicked off the free ride system. OMama wont do that.
Any suggestions?
October 9, 2012 at 3:24 pm
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Well, when her unemployment runs out she’ll have to find a job. Does she at least pay you rent? Momma isn’t doing her little girl any favors by allowing her to be irresponsible.
October 9, 2012 at 3:29 pm
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Not a penny. I am the sole supporter of 7 people.
My wife just called. She finally called the CDC. They stated she would be dead alread. She is probably just getting a cold.
October 9, 2012 at 3:31 pm
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Her suit will not be frivilous. We have already incurred 5 -6K in med bills not including the shot as a result. Serious financial pinch going on right now.
October 9, 2012 at 3:34 pm
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No, it won’t be frivolous. She deserves it. Make it a whopper. And tell your wife that if she won’t let you kick her our then your daughter needs to pay rent. Even if it’s $50 a month, she should be paying something. That’s called being responsible and it’s a valuable lesson for parents to teach their children.
October 9, 2012 at 3:36 pm
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One would think they would have cut her off already.
But, single mom with three kids and two dead beat dads involved.
So, you tell me – WHY????
October 9, 2012 at 3:41 pm
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Well, if it’s unemployment, she’s entitled to it if she lost her job through no fault of her own. I was on unemployment for a while and I did not even consider a job making less than I made on unemployment. Why would I do that?
Now, if she’s on welfare, that’s a different story. An able-bodied college-educated person should be able to find some kind of work. And she should be getting food stamps to help out with feeding the 4 extra mouths she’s brought into your household.
October 9, 2012 at 3:51 pm
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I know she gets food stamps. I do not know where her income source is coming if it is even coming any more. I know she gets a total of $50.00 a month from both dead beats because they keep working cash jobs and this state sucks for Child Support issues.
She has parked her car for the past three weeks so I do believe she lost some revenue source. Either that or some driving issues with her license came up. My wife is now running to the docts with the Gr Kids. Not like my car can afford the extra miles either.
October 10, 2012 at 11:03 am
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She is not college educated. She got pregnant and dropped out. Stuck me with part of the tuition.
October 9, 2012 at 3:08 pm
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Just to further my pitty party, my wife had one of the epidural shots on 9/28 – days before that story hit the news. The local news showed the very door to the clinic she walkd through to get the shot. Now, as of today after several attemts to get hold of them folks, she finally get a recording that says they are not taking phone calls.
She is undergoing this treatment because some yahoo stock boy at the local grocery store slammed into her with a fully loaded produce cart. Pinned her between the cart and the display. Thats just my last 6 weeks.
I know you believe in tort reform, but you should get a settlement from the grocery store. That is what she deserves.
October 9, 2012 at 3:31 pm
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Wow FFA, if you didn’t have bad luck, you wouldn’t have any luck at all. As bad as I hate lawyers, I think I would have to consult with one against the grocery store. They may be eager to arrange a settlement rather than go to a jury trial. If they fought it and lost, it would be double the amount. Jurors will side with the injured plaintiff almost always.
October 9, 2012 at 3:37 pm
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Try a settlement on your own. No need to pay an attorney 30-40% when you can just as easily do it on your own. If you don’t get anywhere alone, then consult an attorney. I’d ask for at least 3 times the damages to cover pain and suffering.
October 9, 2012 at 3:43 pm
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Well agent, I am a Cub Fan.
On the upside, I took high score for the first 5 weeks of my fantasy football league. Got a pay out!
October 9, 2012 at 2:16 pm
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Libby, the Medicare system has been broke for a long time. They have shuttled elderly patients between the hospital and nursing homes for years. I went through this with my mother in law when she was in her last months. The hospitalist would come in and say they had improved her to a point, but Medicare would not continue to pay and she had to go to the nursing home. After 3 times back and forth, she was sent to the nursing home to die which is exactly what happened. Now, Obamacare will eliminate that step and more and more will die in the nursing homes without proper care because the hospitals will not re-admit due to the new tax/sanctions imposed on them. This is Death Panels whether you like it or not. Give them a pain pill and let them slip away.
Why did I think you would reply just as you did? Total denial of the facts. I pointed out the real life situation, gave you the info on the new tax and how it will affect hospitals and you say that is not how it will work.
Here are some more facts for you. A professor of economics was being interviewed by Megyn Kelley on Fox today. He has been predicting the outcome of Presidential Elections since 1980 on an economic model and has been accurate 100% of the time. He has analyzed the economic conditions in all 50 states and predicts Romney will win. People will vote their pocketbooks and no incumbent can win if they haven’t got a successful track record on the economy. Obama ignored the economy for 18 months trying to push this Healthcare. That is a huge mistake and Romney is wise to continue to attack his record which is abysmal. Enough is enough. Time to let him go.
Well, if Romney is elected then I am still right. It won’t happen like that because Obamacare will get repealed, right? Either way, there is no-one in this country, including Obama, that wants old people to slink off and die. That’s just ridiculous.
October 9, 2012 at 3:37 pm
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You are right about that Libby. When Obamacare is repealed after Romney is elected, gone will be the Independent Payment Advisory Board with bureaucrats making the life and death decisions on seniors. It will take a lot of unwinding of all the boards, commissions, bureaucracy allotted in this bill and HHS has been working non stop to do the implementation. I would like to see a lot of pink slips being handed out to Federal Employees who are no longer necessary. Let them find work in the private sector if they can.
There you go again, Agent. In 2009, “death panel” was named as PolitiFact’s “Lie of the Year”, one of FactCheck’s “whoppers”, and the most outrageous term by the American Dialect Society.
Making decisions about individual care is expressly forbidden by the Independent Payment Advisory Board.
Well, I miss understood my wife yesterday. She talked to the receptionist at her PCP that told her not to worry.
Saw on the National CBS news that this could take up to 42 days to fester. Called CDC and they told her to call back i the morning.
Called my niece that works the 800 bad drugs hot line. Nothing in on this stuff yet. Get the med records as to who manufactured the shot. The clinic that gave he the shot has a generic message on their VM statinh they are not taking calls. HMMMMM.
Meanwhile, symptom persist – sore neck, head ach, weak in the lower body.
Thanks. She is presenting three of the symptoms. No reported cases in IL so far. But the clinic with their generic message that they are not taking any calls at this time is very concerning. All we want to know is the manufacturer of the shot. Then we set the plan of attack from there. Hate to put her through a spinal tap.
Food and Drug Administration officials identified the manufacturer as New England Compounding Center (NECC), which conducted a voluntary recall of three lots of methylprednisolone acetate 80mg/mlinjection produced at NECC. The lot numbers are #05212012@68, #06292012@26 and #08102012@51.
Thanks. I had that info.
She contacted CDC not long ago. All of a sudden, the clinic is calling her. Keep you posted on what they say soon as she gets back to me as she was on the hard wire phone with them when I called.
Again, from Face Book –
On Monday, June 25th 2012, the following occurred:
The Supreme Court unanimously – yes, UNANIMOUSLY – upheld the portion of Arizona’s Immigration Law that directs law enforcement officers to check the immigration status of EVERYONE who is ARRESTED for a crime. It not just “ALLOWS” them to check, but “DIRECTS” them to check. That means it’s mandatory.
Less than three hours later, the President of the United States issued an executive order BLOCKING THE ENTIRE STATE OF ARIZONA’S ACCESS to the the Federal Database that would allow such checks. The only State or Local entity EVER to be blocked.
Not sure about this FFA, but would you be surprised if the President blocked Arizona? He and Jan Brewer have had a running battle about immigration enforcement for a while now. The Feds don’t want to enforce and they don’t want Arizona to do it either and sued them through our wonderful DOJ Holder. This administration is the worst in our history. They lie about Libya which resulted in 4 deaths including our Ambassador and then turn around and say they didn’t lie. They are all on tape from the President to Hilary to the UN Ambassador Rice blaming the video for almost two weeks. This is criminal and should be prosecuted.
Perhaps you don’t remember Libby that every intelligence service in the world thought Saddam had WMD’s, not just Bush. In fact, Saddam had already gassed his own people (Kurds) and the Iranians when he was at war with them. For a very long time, he wouldn’t let the UN inspectors in to look at facilities. We actually gave him enough time to squirrel the WMD’s away (probably to Syria) who now claims to have WMD’s and will use them if they are invaded. I do think it is criminal that a government who had the correct information and numerous requests for help on security and then chose to lie about it should be prosecuted. They didn’t want the public to see how failed their policies are in the Middle East and still won’t admit it was a Terrorist plot. Liberals need to wake up and smell the coffee about Islamic Terrorism. It is not a peaceful religion and they mean to kill all infidels.
I’m completely aware of the threat of Islamic terrorists. No coffee is needed, Agent. And I agree there was a cover-up of some sort and it stinks to high heaven. I stop short of prosecution, though. There was nothing criminal or intentional at foot. At best is ineptness, which is not proscutible. If it was, there would be no politicians left to run the country into the ground.
October 11, 2012 at 3:54 pm
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Yet another embassy employee was murdered in Yemen today on the eve of the anniversary of the USS Cole bombing. It will be interesting to see how this administration spins this incident. Perhaps they will say it is workplace violence like they did when Major Hassan murdered all those innocent victims at Ft. Hood while yelling Allah Akbar at the top of his lungs. When an administration cannot bring themselves to lay blame on Islamic Terrorism, it will continue to happen. I wonder whey they are sending troops to Jordan. We haven’t had any trouble there yet. If we are going to send some troops over, send them where the trouble is.
October 10, 2012 at 1:50 pm
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Different Lot Number so says the clinic. Sounds like she is just catching the flu bug. One thing off my plate.
The pharmaceutical companies at the center of the deadly meningitis outbreak have disclosed they hired a lawyer from a top white-collar criminal-defense firm in Boston.
New England Compounding Center, Ameridose LLC and Alaunus Pharmaceutical LLC hired Paul Cirel, a partner at Collora LLP, which is known for its high-profile criminal defense work. Cirel is experienced in defending clients against healthcare fraud claims and criminal charges.
Watching the VP Debate last night confirmed to everyone how bad the Obama/Biden ticket is. Biden interrupted Ryan 82 times when he was trying to answer the question. He was rude, arrogant, bombastic,self serving, condescending and wrong on the issues. I have to admire Ryan for not sinking to Biden’s level. Our wonderful moderator Raddich also tried to gang up on Ryan with Biden and neither wanted an answer on the issue, just to make their own point. This is going to be another moment like Al Gore’s sighing that hurt him in the debates only Biden’s mugging, grinning and laughing while Ryan was speaking made that look minor by comparison. This was not a game changer debate, but it pointed out to a lot of people who we have in office right now and how badly served the country is with the current leadership.
Well, national consensus is it’s a tie and the VP debate doesn’t really matter. I tend to agree.
Although, I liked the tweet about Biden being your favorite uncle and pulling quarters out of your ears. That was funny. Along with: Hello, 911, there’s an old man beating a child on my TV. -Bill Maher.
If everyone had an uncle like Joe, he would be the black sheep uncle that no one wanted to be around. Joe clearly thought he had to make up for the disastrous debate of his boss so he went way overboard with his bluster, rudeness and arrogant behavior. Martha Raddatz was complicit for not admonishing Biden to stop interrupting and keep the tone civil. I can’t think of one answer Ryan was giving that Biden didn’t try to cut off and Raddatz did the other cutting off before the answer was complete. Then, Biden claimed he wasn’t given equal time and the scorecard revealed he got more air time. What a joke he was. People don’t like that and it will not help their cause any.
“The law — covering 30 million uninsured, requiring virtually every legal U.S. resident to carry health insurance and forbidding insurers from turning away the sick — remains as divisive as the day it passed more than two years ago.” No doctor or hospital ever turns away someone without insurance. I had an old friend who was just here visting in Chicago from Oregon. She eneded up in the hopsital for a week. She’s on an Oregon state plan and had to talk to a social worker becuase her plan gave her no insurance here in IL. This ariticle is a bit misleading. I sold healthcare insurance for a few years. Cook County Hospital never turns anyone away.
It says “forbidding INSURERS from turning away the sick”, not medical providers from turning away the sick. If you are sick or have a pre-existing condition, insurers can refuse to write coverage for you. Nothing misleading here.
and what’s next, forbbing insurers from turning away homeowners whos house is on fire? This is crazy!
It’s not crazy if you are sick and need medical care.
Not crazy? My house is on fire and I don’t have insurance. Can you get me a policy?
Many people lose their health insurance through no fault of their own. Then they can’t get coverage anywhere else because they have a “pre-existing” condition. What are those people supposed to do? Go uninsured?
Sorry for the misinterpretation, Libby. And I do believe that pre-existing conditions should not be held against anyone. You cannot help it if you get sick or stricken with a disease such as asthma (which I have) and have been underwritten before on insurance policies in the past. There are some good things that even Romney wants to continue and this is one of them.
Thanks for the message. At least we have found common ground on one thing!
Just because 7 out of 10 think it will happen does not alter the fact that almost 7 out of 10 do not like the law. Also the 7 out of 10 think it will happen because the polls say most of the voters are idiots and will re-elect our socialist Muslim President.
Please stop the biased articles in favor of progressive politics IJ, It really is annoying when you are looking to obtain facts.
Sarah, you want IJ to stop biased articles in favor of progressive politics but then you throw out a biased response. Maybe that’s why your side is going to lose the health care law and election. You want people to do as you say, but not as you do.
Amen, Sarah.
Amen Sarah, Amen!
Obviously Sarah, 2,600 pages of this 2,700 pages of Progressive nonsense need to go right away along with the boards, commissions, mandates it sets up. My guess is that the tweaks that remain will be the failure to launch 26 year olds and creating a mechanism through exchanges to cover the PreX crowd. Romney may push for Tort Reform (good luck on that) and selling policies across state lines to create competition. That is what should have been done the first time, but no Republican idea was considered in their version rammed down our throat. This is one of the most divisive issues of our time and all because we elected a Progressive Socialist to office.
Sarah, if you want IJ to stop biased articles in favor of progressive politics, why don’t you start with unbiased comments? It would seem that you side is destined to lose the health care battle and election because you subscribe to the “say as I do, not as I do” theory.
Birdy–didn’t you say the same thing in a previous post? Are you always this redundant?
CT – you’re an idiot.
Hi Libby! I was waiting for you to start spewing your hatred towards me since you’ve found out I’m a woman! What makes me an idiot, Libby? The fact that I asked your buddy Birdy a question which, by the way, had absolutely nothing to do with you?
Or, are you upset by the fact that your guy in the WH has 35 days left there? You may think otherwise, but only a true idiot would.
Get over it CT. We’re not on the playground anymore. And you are not a woman, I am convinced.
You are pitiful, Libby. And, you stole that play ground line from me, btw…I’m flattered. I am a woman…trust me…through and through. What makes you think I’m not?
I was mocking you, you dumbass. Just showing again how mean and spiteful you have been on here.
Women don’t go around saying the things you say. If you are a woman, you have some definite problems. For one, you need to get over yourself. For another, if you were a female business owner you wouldn’t be against women’s rights. You would have known how hard it is to make it in business being a woman. Especially the insurance business. But then again, you’re so hot, maybe that’s how you climbed the ladder. I did it the old fashioned way, with brains and hard work.
“Women don’t go around saying the things you say”…umm..WHAT? I can only shake my head at that, Libby. Trust me. I’m a woman. A girlie girl.
I should clarify. REAL women don’t go around saying the things you say. They don’t feel a need to constantly tell everyone on a blog how “hot” they are, they don’t mock women’s rights, and they aren’t Mets fans.
One more thing, Libby. Show me my post where I said that I am against women’s rights. Copy/paste it for me because I’m really curious to see if you’ll be able to find it anywhere…oops..you won’t be able to because I NEVER said that. I am however, against having to pay for a woman’s birth control, abortions, etc. So, if that is what makes me against women’s right in your head, I’ll never be able to change that. You are afterall, a liberal progressive and there is a mental issue there.
What was the snarky comment about a War Against Women all about?
Please, Libby. Now you’re insulting me. You posted that Sarah Palin got the death panel myth going, so I questioned who got the war on women myth going. You cannot tell me that you’ve never heard of this before. And, I am not being snarky.
I CAN tell you I’ve never heard it before, because I haven’t. Did you just make it up? And if not, why would you say it in such a sarcastic tone?
Sarah, Birdie is so goofy that she/he posted the same retort to you twice. You know what, this site is not that hard to navigate and post a blog. It must be a pains taking operation for Birdie. I agree with you that an article quoting the AP on a poll is pretty much a made up poll and has little credibility. I think they are about 20th in credibility of all the polls that are out there, particularly with the Presidential polls.
Agent, agent, agent — not all the IJ responses appear immediately. And I felt strong enough to re-post the respojnse — as I felt strongly in the first place to respond. But you go ahead and continue bashing.
My responses on IJ pop up immediately after posting. Perhaps your computer is lacking something in the memory department. Sarah must have really stirred you up. I know you liberals cannot stand any criticism of this bill and think it is so wonderful. What could we possibly think is wrong about the most divisive bill ever passed by Congress in the dead of night and ramming it down our throat with no bi-partisan support?
When the stated goal of the GOP Congress is to replace Obama since day 1, there was NEVER going to be bi-partisan support. But it did pass — and the Supreme Court upheld it. Too bad your side just doesn’t get it.
PS: The Goal of the GOP Congress should be to do the people’s business. Maybe that is why you will still only be carrying the House of Reps in 2012 — and even that is not a given. And then waht!
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They don’t automatically pop up if you are a new user, Agent. Or if you are posting a link. I think your brain is missing something.
Agent, I know reading is a painstaking operation for you, but IJ did not conduct this poll, as it clearly states in the article. Birdie is absolutely right, instead of insulting and denigrating people that don’t necessarily share your views – try a polite discussion. You might get somewhere.
Sarah, calling most of America “idiots” is why I never pay any attention to what you say. You are rude and disgusting in your approach.
Libby, The Independent Payment Advisory Board aka Death Panels is in this bill and was specifically set up to make life and death decisions on whether treatment is provided. Steven Rattner, Obama advisor said in a column in the NY Times a few weeks ago that we need the board aka Death Panels to manage cost. The way it works is that “they alone” will determine if an individual has lived up their usefulness to society and whether treatment is approved or denied. It has nothing to do with the doctor/patient relationship or recommendations of the doctor to treat. They will pay doctors to give end of life counseling. What they are saying between the lines is take a pain pill and go home and die. In a Socialist healthcare system, rationing of care is the only way they think the cost can be managed. Forget technology, innovation in treatment and by all means, we can’t put Tort Reform in to help doctors control their costs and needless over testing. You are goofy to think there aren’t Death Panels in this legislation. They just call it by a different name, but it serves the same purpose and will work just like Great Britain’s and Canada.
Again, Agent, you are wrong. Check Politifact or any other fact checker on the debate issues. They all say this is WRONG! This panel will have nothing to do with individual treatment plans. That is expressly forbidden in the law. Nice try. Try a little harder next time.
Yeah, the Muslim who has been seen drinking beer and eating pork.
How does something go fully into effect w some major and some minor changes? Obama’s Health Care Law will be over-hauled before going into effect.
“fully into effect with some changes, ranging from minor to major alterations”
Why give him credit falsely?!?
“May not like it”? Americans overwhelmingly favor the actual provisions of the Affordable Care Act. Insurance Companies like it. Small businesses Love it.Only the idealogues and ignorant on the far right, and anti-Obama racists oppose it. It’s here to stay, so get used to it. Someday soon, it will benefit you and/or someone in your family, and if you’re honest you’ll give Obama the credit.
And when a loved one meets up with one of the “death panels”, I will give Obama the credit too.
Speaking of death panels, did you see Sarah Palin in the audience watching dancing with the stars? Strange place to be during the final days of the election season. I guess it’s never too late to the the mother she never was when they were growing up.
Just WTF does Sarah Palin have to do with the election?!!?!?!
We were talking about death panels and of course her name had to come up. She’s the one that got the myth started. That’s what. BTW, it was a slam on Ms. Palin if you couldn’t figure it out on your own.
So, who’s the one that got the myth started about a war on women in our country??
What war on women? Women have always been fighting for equal rights, but I wouldn’t consider it a war.
Yes, Sande, Sarah was 100% right on the Death Panels. It is called the Independent Payment Advisory Board who will be making the life and death decisions under Obamacare. Bureaucrats telling doctors they can’t treat because they have to save on the cost. Is it any wonder so many people are against this affront to a free society?
WRONG. Stop spreading LIES Agent.
Mr Bugs, don’t be a moron. There are no death panels.
Keep on beleiving that Libby…
I believe it because it is true, Agent. It’s true in the U.K. and it’s true here. If a patient has no hope of recovery, putting them on a pathway to death is the humane thing to do. It involves hospice and paliative care and trying to keep them comfortable until the end. What is wrong with that?
Independent Payment Advisory Board = Death Panels. Read up on it Libby. They alone will decide whether treatment is approved or not. 15 bureaucrats telling doctors they cannot treat because of cost. What a wonderful proposition.
Mr. Bugs, Libby and other liberals on this site don’t like the term Death Panels in this bill. They don’t believe Obamacare has panels of bureaucrats that will tell doctors that operations or treatments are denied because the patient is too old and has outlived their usefulness, and we must save on healthcare costs. This has been going on in Great Britain for a while now, so they merely put them on the pathway to death and render no services since the system is bankrupt over there. At last count, Great Britain has layed off 300,000 health workers because the National Health Service has no money to pay them. Doctors here will be retiring from practice and we will have rationed care galore in a few years.
OMG. Catch a grip, Agent. You may be against the healthcare bill, but don’t make up horror stories to try to gain momemtum for your side. That’s the pathetic, Republican, Bush/Rove way of swaying voters. It’s dishonest and repugnant.
Libby, your side leads the league with pathetic grand standing untruths to try to sell your precious healthcare legislation. Perhaps you should re-read the bill since it is in there. On Britain, it has been a well published story available for anyone to see including actual taped interviews with doctors and hospitals in Britain. They admitted everything. Your denial of truth is what is dishonest and repugnant to most of us.
I did look it up and IT IS NOT TRUE. If I didn’t have 2 10/1’s to get wrapped up, I’d find the links and post them for you.
What liberal Kool Aid have you been drinking JP? Every poll I have ever seen says the majority of the American People are rejecting it. It is more unpopular now than last year. There are about 2 things that the people like about it. One is the ability to keep kids on it until 26 and the other is the PreX people who can’t get accepted by underwriting. These are the ones who should be in the exchanges. Insurance Companies who have to satisfy the 85% MLR are not liking it since they can’t operate on 15% and pay all their expenses. The only way they could make it is by getting subsidized by the government since they will have to pay all those claims on PreX’s. Small Businesses don’t like it and 30-40% will drop Group coverage entirely next year because of the cost and would rather pay the fine than continue to see their business go away. They will throw their employees on the exchnges and the poor employees will have to fend for themselves. Even the precious unions didn’t like it and got exempted from it because it was worse than their Cadillac plans. A lot of big corporations were exempted as well because they had connections with the government. The exemption list was in the thousands at last count. Only 42 more days and we can begin the process to repeal and replace with something that makes sense. I don’t think I want to give Obama the chance to deny me care with some rationed health plan that is the worst conceived bill in the history of the country.
Agent, your fuzzy math and numbers are, as usual, all wrong. 30-40% of companies are not planning to drop their coverage and “throw their employees to the wolves” as you stated. MadDog did some fact checking on your loosey goosey numbers in another post and found they were all wrong. You are losing credibility.
Apparently you are not an agent Libby working with real small businessowners. About half of our group clients are planning on dropping their group if this bill stands. I have another agent friend who is heavily invested in Health clients and he has about the same numbers we do. There has been a lot of information on the internet for some time about small business and their reactions to this bill. They continue to see rate increases on their plans and it is already almost unaffordable to them. They are making other plans which is including just paying employees an amount so they can get coverage on their own through the exchanges once that is the option. By the way, you lost credibility from your first post through this one.
Well, then I guess the bill came just in time for them. They can drop the coverage that has been steadily increasing for years and they and their employees will have an affordable option for healthcare available to them. Sounds like a win-win to me.
Another voice of reason, way to go JP!
Wow. I see you’ve been drinking the kool-aid. Small business’s love it?? I am a small business owner, and know several others who despise it!! It is costing us money and in the long run, it is going to put more people out of work.. That however, is the regime’s plan–to get even more people on the hand-outs line.
You must not be offering health benefits to your employees if this is costing you money. Otherwise, it wouldn’t affect you at all.
Get your head out of your butt, Libby…there is fresh air out here to breathe! It is none of your business what benefits I offer and PAY for for my employees. Suffice it to say that once this commie’s full plan goes into effect, the small business that I own and BUILT (oh, yes I did!!!), is going to get a lot more expensive to run and keep afloat.
A little defensive there, CT? I must have hit a sore spot.
No sore spot other than me banging my head on my office wall trying to figure out your drivel and where it comes from.
Drivel? Really. You act like you’ve never heard a point of view other than your own before. You need to get out more CT. Maybe out of CT would open your eyes and expand your horizons. Better yet, try visiting a blue state and talking with others with another opinion. Oh! But then you’d have to listen and quit insulting people. Forget it. Just stay where you are. You seem quite blissful in ignorance.
Wow…you may think I’m not a woman, Libby, but I know for a FACT that you have cankles.
And just what drivel is it that I spout, CT? Healthcare for all Americans? Women having control over their reproductive system? Gays being able to enjoy a loving marriage just as heterosexual couples do? War is bad? We need to improve our way of life for all people in this country, not just a chosen few?
Which of those ideas are drivel? And be specific.
And you will not get much patience from me calling the President a “commie”. That is drivel through and through. You may not like him, but he is no commie. Unless you can be called a Nazi.
It’s all about the numbers. First we had the 99ers% vs. the 1ers%; Romney gave us the 47%ers; now the far right has given us the 12%ers…
Just saying.
An affordable option – geeze I can’t wait for that. I wonder what plan someone who is making say; $15 an hour will have in regards to someone who is making say $30 an hour. Under the employers plan now in place everyone has a pretty good plan that didn’t vary so much if they had an option to choose from. I had worked for corporate America for a very long time Libby and had the “cafeteria plan” that everyone talks about. Let’s see if “If you like the plan you have now you can keep it.” still holds true as much as the transparisey promises that were made when Obama was spouting all his grander speeches to the starry eyed democrats who were in such awe of his hope and change. “I’ll cut the deficit in half.” That was a good one. Obama spent more money then Bush did in 8, count them 8 years Libby & Birdy. Still waiting for that hope and change? Me too come November there certainly could be change and for the better.
Someone making $15 an hour will likely be eligible for a government subsidy so they can have the same coverage someone making $30 an hour has. If they want. If not, they can buy the bare bones. There is still choice. I don’t have much choice from my employer these days. Take the one that costs alot or take the one that costs more. I, too, have been in this business for a long, long time and have seen my healthcare premiums go up and up and my options and coverage go down, down, down. Why not try something new? I bet you’ll be pleasantly surprised when it’s all said and done. It certainly can’t/won’t be as dismal as you think it will be.
We shall see what we shall see.
Libby said- Why not try something new? I bet you’ll be pleasantly surprised when it’s all said and done. It certainly can’t/won’t be as dismal as you think it will be.
I for one don’t want to try a healthcare program developed by a bunch of socialists that was rammed thru a democratic congress in the middle of the night and will be administered by the federal government. They can’t manage the post office, they have ruined social security (if private business did what the feds did to social security, they would be in prison),and they could not catch an illegal alien if they surrounded a Walmart.
“they could not catch an illegal alien if they surrounded a Walmart.”
Just a little biased are you, Sarge? I happen to shop at Walmart and I’m perfectly legal.
If you don’t want to try it, don’t. Nobody’s forcing you to. You can keep what you have or go bare. Just pay the penalty. Oh! I mean tax.
Always, Nancy said she had to pass it so we could see what was in it. Congress, don’t bother to read it before you vote on it. She also said she would pole vault over the wall to get it passed. Does that mean she had to bribe Ben Nelson and Landrieu for their vote? I wonder why they had so much trouble getting this passed if they had overwhelming majorities in both houses at the time. Oops, was there a little corruption behind the scenes and behind closed doors? I wonder why the Blue Dogs got such a shellacking in the mid terms by the American People. Democrats, including the President have said that it was the Republicans that were blocking the legislation. Hello! They couldn’t block anything and it was members of their own party that were objecting because they knew their political future was on the line. Many paid the ultimate price, but Nancy gave them a very nice going away party.
Define Affordable. My expense went up $1300 @ month from $722.00.
So, Birdy. Just which flavor kool-aid is your favorite? Cherry or grape?
Libby said– If a patient has no hope of recovery, putting them on a pathway to death is the humane thing to do. It involves hospice and paliative care and trying to keep them comfortable until the end. What is wrong with that?
Libby so now you are Dr. Kevorkian (Death Doctor) in addition to being a racist. Under Obummercare who decides when a person is “on the pathway to death” a “death panel”? the hospital doctors, the family? I believe there is a medical panel. It is not called a deah panel but the”panel” has the right to pay or not pay for care. That sucks!
You are way misinformed, Sarge. There is no “panel” overseeing patient files deciding who lives and dies. The doctor decides on the care and the insurance company decides if they will pay or not. Just like it is now. Calm down all right, all ready. Enough with the death panel bullshit. I’m really sick of the ignorant scare tactics used by you guys. We’re all way too intelligent to fall for them so just stop.
We are a scary lot, we republicans.
You try to be, but only an ignoramus would believe the shit coming from your mouth.
Wow, Libby. Kiss your mother with that mouth? Kiss ANYONE with that mouth?
Yes, CT, we are part of the vast right wing conspiracy. We are the reason why the Middle Class has had a 25% decrease in disposable income in the past 4 years. Bite Me said in a speech yesterday that the Middle Class has been over burdened in the past 4 years. This can’t be the fault of this Administration since they are for the Middle Class. That is why the Middle Class needs all these new taxes in Obamacare so they will feel better about themselves in the coming years. Hmm! I wonder why they are running 14% behind in the polls with the Middle Class. I hope Romney tears the President a new one tonight. If he doesn’t have enough ammunition by now, something is seriously wrong.
Mitt Romney is like a Christmas miracle to Obama. He all but clinched the election for him. He and his manical sidekick, Ryan. They are a pair of jokers and waaaay out of their league. I can’t wait for tonight. There is no way Romney can look Presidential next to Obama. No way.
CT, We are a part of the vast right wing conspiracy as Hilary was fond of saying until the blue dress showed up. Oops! There was an intern under the desk.
So Libby, Romney & Ryan are out of Obama/Biden’s league huh! I bet you were crying in your beer and choking on the popcorn with that performance. Get ready for another shellacking when Ryan tears Hairplug Joe and new one in their debate. Never downplay the truth Libby and how it will play to the American People. Obama and Biden have painted themselves into a corner with their actions in the past 4 years. Message rejected.
What the hell does a blue dress have to do with what’s going on in today’s race? Your attempt at humor is miserable at best.
Actually Libby, there is nothing funny about a President hiding an intern under his desk and then lying about it in front of a Federal Grand Jury and continuing to lie about it to his wife and the American People. He got impeached for the lies, but not removed from office. I still don’t understand that one. Even though Clinton was a womanizer extroardinaire, he cannot hold a candle to JFK who had a virtual parade of women going through the White House. You should read Killing Kennedy by O’Reilly. It is very enlightening and is factually true.
Again, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Wrong analogy…
I don’t understand any rational connection to the topic being discussed.
Good analogy Sargent. The Democratic Party practices Eugenics with babies and seniors. They alone will decide if a human life is worth saving or just put someone to sleep like a dog or cat. They are terrible excuses of humanity.
You are really degenerating in the name calling arena. Now we are all terrible excuses for humanity? Really? Should we all be lined up and shot? Take a deep breath and calm yourself, Agent. You’re getting a little out of control.
You know what doesn’t make sense? Having insurance people against the Affordable Health Care Act. At its heart, it means people need to buy insurance. Otherwise, as any insurance person ought to know, those who do not buy insurance utlimately have coverage paid for by people who do buy insurance.
Maybe its because Carriers have pounded down commissions and we have lost revenues.
Maybe because we have been around long enough to know what happens when people (govt) who dont know our business stick their nose in it.
Maybe its because this bill cuts the agent out of the picture completly.
The coverage will still be provided by insurance carriers. Do you write individual health? That is mostly what this will be. Large groups will most likely continue to use a broker rather than go through the exchanges because they need the services of a broker. That won’t change.
It’s really much ado about the wrong things, FFA.
Its my pocket Libby. I’ll decide what important to me. That dirty word Profit is impotant to me. Its important to my employees so they can feed their family. They took a very marketable – profitable product away.
They didn’t take it away. But now it will be available on a direct basis as well as through an agent. Many carriers are like that already. Sell individual life. You’ll make more money.
We are going to agree to dis agree on this one. I blame OBama. You defend him.
OK.
Birdy- It is not the sale (believe me we sell for a living and we like all the sales I can get)at issue, it is the act itself. It is bad legislation. No one said we did not need healthcare reform. We do but it is the way the administraion went about it, the side deals they cut, the exemptions they made to the bill, not to mention that government employees don’t have to take it.
Also, Obama(Mr.Transparancy) got Dirty Harry and Plastic Nancy to ram it thru a democratic controlled congress in the middle of the night without any time to read it.
In addition to that there was no budget which outlined how the United States is going to pay for it. Come to find out, seniors are going to suffer and healthcare quality will go down for everyone. That is not a good deal for the country, sale or no sale
Where’d you get your crystal ball, Sarge? I’d like to pick one up.
I see the wind coming out of your sails, Libby.
Nope. Got plenty more. Keep baiting me and see.
Yes, but it’s all HOT air and nyou ever actually SAY anything.
Everyone’s breath is hot dumbass. I say plenty. Just nothing you want to hear. None of you “conservatives” on this site are even open to hearing another side. You’re so narrow minded it’s scary. Ooooh. There’s that word again. It’s a theme.
OMG…like you don’t have a total argument for everyone from my side of the aisle if you don’t like what they have to say?? You know what they say about living in glass houses, Libby.
What? That didn’t make sense. And I didn’t comment on everyone across the aisle. I’m talking about people on this site. Like you, Agent, and Sarge. I will at least agree with part of a point if it makes sense.
Sargent, since you got sandwiched between Birdy & Libby, I thought I would lend support to you to offset their goofy replies. There is an old saying which rings true. Nothing good happens after 1:00 in the morning. Progressive liberal lawmakers who passed this legislation in the dead of night behind closed doors had no good intentions for the people. They promised to televise the negotiations on TV so the American People could see it and instead were very secretive. So much for Transparency. Then, they had to vote on a 2,700 page bill in a very short time which meant no one could read it before voting. Since the bill was passed, legal scholars have tried to read it and can’t understand it. This is all supposed to be good and we will like it when we see what is inside it. Guess what Birdy and Libby, we like it less now that more of the details of it are known and yes the panels are in there to decide whether treatment is provided or denied to patients. Do some research and pull it up if you don’t think I am right about it.
Agent,
Could not have said it any better
Don’t need one Libby, Just check the facts. 1.)There was no plan to pay for the affordable healthcare act. 2.)Obama and Co has taken $716Billion out of medicare or did you not hear that. The cuts are from Medicare advantage and payments to hospitals, patient care. That means it will hurt Senior care. 3.)It is a fact that when you add the estimated 30 million uninsured which does include illegals, that the quality of healthcare will go down as there is no icrease in the number of doctors, no increase in the number of hospitals, no increase in the number of medical equipment etc and with the payment cuts what do you expect? You think we will all get care like the Mayo clinic?
Not to worry Sargent. Your doctor will prescribe a pain pill after he tells you he can’t give you a knee replacement because the bureaucrat said he had to be cost efficient and your useful life is over. This country is already several hundred thousand doctors short and when all the retirements happen next year, the whole country will feel the pain of rationed care.
Yep, you will have 15 appointed bureaucrats making decisions and recommendations on rationing care. Great, The government- “We are here to help and if you are over 60 you just might die”
http://mixlr.com/webcast-one-live/#chat in 3 minutes.
3 strikes, Sgt. Major. You swung and missed on all points. But, good cuts. Keep your eye on the ball all the way to the bat. You should look at where that $716B actually comes from and then, take notice it’s also in Ryan’s plan. Cheers!
Since you want to use a baseball analogy Planet, Sargent hit a grand slam off of you the closer, sent into the game to save it for Progressives. Progressives have nothing to offer except more of the same failed nonsense we have put up with for the past 4 years. I sure am glad the election is drawing near so we can kick these bums out of office.
The talk this week on conservative media, notably the “Fox & Friends” morning show, is that opinion polls are skewed against Republican challenger Mitt Romney, and sample too many Democrats.
Well, tell that to Fox News’ bipartisan polling operation.
The latest national survey for right-leaning Fox shows President Obama with a stable 48-43 percent lead over Romney among likely voters. By a 50-46 margin, the 1,208 registered voters surveyed said they believe America’s 44th president deserves to be reelected.
Obama has a slightly larger 49-41 percent lead among all registered voters, according to the poll, taken Sept. 24-26.
The “enthusiasm gap” in the 2012 election appears to have vanished: 93 percent of Obama voters, and 91 percent of Romney supporters, feel the election is “extremely” or “very” important.
The poll has another salient finding. By a 49-46 percent margin, likely voters said they approve of the job Obama is doing, but a larger 51-45 percent margin like the president as a person. Obama scores highest, at 61 percent approval, among voters under 35.
I’d say we have the bases loaded, no outs, and oh I don’t know, we’ll go with “Mr. November” Reggie Jackson at bat.
Yes, Reggie is “Mr. October”. Derek Jeter is “Mr. November”, my bad.
OBama = Cubs. Hows that for an analogy?
You need to go to a sports blog, FFA. You’d probably have a much better time there!
No kidding. Same tired argument with teh same people over and over and over. Got much worse in this one. Name call. Insults. Getting to the point where people are embarasing them selves.
My mind was made up 4 years ago who I was going to vote for. Dont know why I spend the time here anymore. I get sucked into this point counter point and I get nothing done.
At least no one is calling me names.
Stick around. There’s time for that if you ever disagree with Agent, CT Agent, or Sarge. Oh! And let’s not forget my favorite, Bob.
FFA, I laughed for 5 minutes on that one. I take it you have no respect for the Cubs organization. They do seem to have loyal fans no matter how bad the team does. Libby is loyal to Obama as well no matter how bad a job he is doing.
Well agent, I do have respect. Its just a very low level. History does repeat it self almost every year. Platers learn how to choke and take it with them.
I take it Libby didn’t like your sports analogy FFA. It is actually quite accurate. I liked it when Romney got his digs in on the Obama Green Enery Agenda. He said Obama was in the business of picking the losers. All of this for some campaign contributions. It is sickening how corrupt this man and his administration is and how he has wasted our tax dollars to further his Socialist dreams.
Captain:
There is not one source showing that Ryan’s plan makes the same exact adjustments, and there are many showing differences.
Obama cuts payments through a panel, Ryan cuts payments by allowing you to decide where your medicare dollars go, thereby causing competition for your dollars rather than having a bureaucrat make caps (which is how Obama achieves the cuts in medicare) and then call that “over payments”.
Plus, you should watch how this debate got started. Ryan explains quite clearly how Obama’s plan is double counting. Ryan’s plan is NOT by any means comparable to Obama’s, and does NOT do the same exact $716 billion cut. Obama’s cuts a different way entirely. Look it up.
Once again Captain Uranus, you are WRONG. I suppose you believe that cutting 716Billion out of Medicare advanyage has no impact on seniors? And about Ryans plan. It has no impact on todaysseniors on medicare. It does not even have any impact on workers age 55 and older and it gives options to younger workers to opt in or out. Not like Barry Soetoro’s plan to screw seniors and reduce good care to lousy care for all. Hey, maybe they should call it the Unaffordable lousy healthcare Act (ULHA)
Sgt Major,
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but calling me Uranus is just straight up middle-school. But whatever, if it makes you feel like a bigger man, more power to you. What I am saying is the $716B does not impact benefits:
(from “Inside National Health Reform” by John McDonough)
It’s worth noting that there’s one area these cuts don’t touch: Medicare benefits. The Affordable Care Act rolls back payment rates for hospitals and insurers. It does not, however, change the basket of benefits that patients have access to. And, as Ezra pointed out earlier today, the Ryan budget would keep these cuts in place.
So I guess you’re wrong.
Man, 1 person doesn’t like facts. Talk about a uninformed voter.
With the cost of everything going up, how are Hopsitals supposed to keep their doors open if what they can charge is being rolled back?
If the $716 Billion is being taken out of Medicare, a lot of hospitals and doctors will cease taking Medicare patients. Many will close down and doctors will retire and we will know the true meaning of rationed care. Need Healthcare? Go see the Doc in a box with the PA’s and hopefully nothing serious is going on. Need surgery? Not if you are a senior citizen if the bureaucrat says you don’t get it.
You guys are ridiculous. Hospital profits are higher than ever and are a big part of the out-of-sight costs of healthcare.
http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/corporate-news/116745-hospital-profits-raise-eyebrows-as-medical-costs-continue-to-soar
And Agent, I will dispute it everytime you start with the death panel/rationed care bullshit. It’s just not true.
Hey Sargent, I wonder why Obama took Hairplug Joe off the campaign stump last week. Could it be his promise to raise taxes $1 Trillion if they are re-elected? He has sure given Ryan some very good talking points in the VP debate coming up. They may have to carry Bite Me off the stage at the end of this one. It could get ugly.
Rom-neeeeheheheheeee (dressage horse sound) can’t even use net job loss anymore. What’s next? I guess they’ll just go for election fraud again. If you can’t win the vote, cheat it. Then, let’s start another war with the largest military force in the world, tell women to make us some pot pies and meditate away rape pregnancies, ask brown people for their papers or throw them over some fence which is surrounded by a moat filled with sharks with freaking laser beams on their heads, tell gays this country doesn’t like fags being smoked let alone being married, tell kids to ask their starving parents for college tuition, and ride our glitter-shatting unicorns all the way to some job creator’s office who won’t do diddly until the real reason why jobs aren’t being created, demand, rises. Don’t worry, there’s a VP candidate who does P-90 X so he’ll just do a couple extra pull-ups for us all (is he pulling up boot straps?) and should Iran really come blasting, no reason to duck and cover (nice one there, America)…Paul Ryan has abs so he’ll just take his shirt off and scare the nuclear threat away. Sounds like a plan. For disaster!
Man, you were on a roll Friday night! Nice.
Thanks, Libby – I was at home working that night and while the system was “thinking”, I hit up the IJ site for a bit. I guess I’m a dork like that. Looking forward to Wednesday night!
Me too! I’ve got the popcorn ready to be popped and the beer in the fridge. Let the party begin!
Will you two just get a room and get it over with? Sheeesh.
Jealous?
Ummmm. No. Not jealous at all–trust me. Any man who likes liberal (women? I’m assuming you are one…but it’s hard to tell) is not a man that would be interested in me anyway–I’d be much to much for him to handle…in politics and ‘other places’…
Oh, brother! You sure do think highly of yourself foxy CT. You’re probably a dried up old prude.
Why, yes I do, Libby! Why wouldn’t I feel highly of myself? I’m hot, I’m a woman, I’m a Republican, and I live in Fairfield County! What could be better than that, other than 11/6/12 being the day that Obama gets his a** kicked out of the White House!! Now, go ahead and take your shots at me because I live in the Gold Coast of Connecticut.
I’ve lived in CT before, remember? Fairfield County is pretty big. Bridgeport is alot different than Greenwich. And I pretty hot myself. I just don’t feel a need to go around saying it, because it’s very unbecoming. So you may be a hot, Republican, living in Fairfield County, but you’re an ugly person as evidenced by the mean, spiteful things you have posted on this blog. Mean girls are ugly girls.
If you think defending what I think is right and what’s good for my country is mean and spiteful, then you are apparently just as mean and spiteful as I am for defending what you think is right and good. You can’t have a debate, Libby, if you can’t see past your own beliefs. Now, you go and have yourself a nice day.
You don’t debate CT. You snark.
Who’s being snarky now, Libby?
Uhhh. I think I said YOU are.
This word Snark – whats that about? Never heard it before in the Mid West. Now, all of a sudeden, you east coasters cant seem to get away fro it.
I am a Westerner, FFA. Through and through. Nothing east coast about me. And “snark” has been around a while now.
Snark (noun)
Combination of “snide” and “remark”. Sarcastic comment(s).
Also snarky (adj.) and snarkily (adv.)
Makes Sense. Product cycly – west Coast to East Coast to Mid west. Must be a gender thing because I dont her any of the males in here use it.
How about that – I learned something!
You gave yourself an apt name Planet. Only a “dork” would post the nonsense you put out!
Wow, IJ has seriously gone all-out Pewee Herman. Agt and Sgt Major, are you guys going to Francis me and try to steal my bike? Who’s playing the role of Large Marge? Mecka-lecka-hi-mecka-hino-ho!
You are obviously too old and thick to get Captain’s wit. It is superior and funny as hell. It makes you think, but then again that’s something you’re not too fond of doing. No wonder you don’t “get it”. Open your mind, Agent! It’s never too late!
That’s wit??? Wow. You don’t get much wit in your life, do you Libby?
Again, it’s wit that you have to think about. Way over your head, CT. Just don’t even try.
Poor Libby..she tries, she really does. Let’s give her a ‘B’ for effort. I’d give her a ‘C’, but she is a persistant little bugger.
Hey foxy CT. I haven’t seen you or Libby, but I would take my chances on you because I couldn’t stand to be around Libby for 5 minutes with all the liberal BS she puts out all the time.
Your loss, Agent.
And CT, you still haven’t answered my question about drivel. Just like you couldn’t show me where Obama apologized to terrorists. Time for you to sit down and shut up – AGAIN.
Libby–here you go. I will also use it in a sentence at the bottom of this post:
drivel (ˈdrɪv ə l) — vb
1. to allow (saliva) to flow from the mouth; dribble
2. to speak foolishly or childishly
— n
3. foolish or senseless talk
4. saliva flowing from the mouth; slaver
In a sentence, used as a noun:
“Such a poor decision to allow such driveler into the White House”.
I have a few more nouns for Obama, too..
1) Liar
2) Deceiver
3) Equivocator
And just what have I said that was drivel, CT? You still haven’t said specifically. Because you can’t. Nothing I have said is drivel. It may not be something you agree with. Doesn’t make it drivel.
Again, it is time for you to sit down and shut up. You can’t answer specifics when questioned, so your credibility is nil.
As I recall, Obama is the one who used the net jobs argument in order to down grade his prior competition Bush, and apply it to his new competition (any republican).
Which is ok for him to do and not ok for republicans to defend against right? Obama came at Paul Ryan for his medicare plan before Romney was even running, and the first day Ryan was nominated an email was sent out that Ryan was ending medicare (2011 politifact lie of the year, look it the hell up Planet)
Which that was bad on the republican’s part too right? Defending themselves regarding medicare, and saying that Obama was cutting medicare as well? (He DID cut medicare) Claiming those are over payments is a lie, and does reduce quality. Claiming those are the same cuts as Ryan’s plan, without listing what Ryan’s cuts are is also a lie. What cuts did Ryan make? I’ve seen you say they are the same. List the exact areas and amounts please. Was it medicare advantage cuts? The total dollar amount?
Do it Planet. Otherwise shut up, as your comments are getting old. You don’t have the numbers, because contrary to your belief you have not looked up the other side, and us on the right actually have.
Again, Bob. Grammar. WE on the right… Not US on the right. And don’t try to look up some obscure usage for your grammar. There is none. It’s just bad grammar. Take an English lesson for God’s sake.
Geez, Bob. You just got told by Libby. It must be so nice to live in the perfect paradise in which she lives. There I go being snarky again!
Libby:
Every now and again, I use a “style” of speech too insult the premise of someone’s beliefs.
Note the wording,
“contrary to your belief you have not looked up the other side, and us on the right actually have.”
That’s me mocking him for his beliefs on republicans being dumb southerners.
In person you would have heard the tone in voice.
Also, don’t get on me about grammar. Were I trying, I would use words you didn’t even know. I had considered supercilious in one of my recent comments with Planet. Please tell me you know that definition without looking it up.
We won’t be making insults on my intelligence anymore, got it Libby?
Debate my facts. Don’t try to discredit them with personal attacks (a democrat doing that is soooo surprising right CT?)
I do know what supercilious means and I challenge you to “test” me on my English vocabulary, spelling and grammar. I’m pretty sure I could match you one-on-one. No problem.
And I’ve already told you, I don’t debate with you. I fight. Because when I do try to rebut you take what I’ve said, totally discard it or twist it, and then throw in some supercilious tidbit about something off-topic to try to change the subject. You are not a fair debater.
Libby:
I turn it into what it actually is, with the correct methodology.
Do you remember how constantly I have told you that your methodology is wrong? It is. Constantly.
Your facts are not. This means I have to break down how things actually work. It is perfectly fair debating to show someone how they are not considering the circumstance as it should.
I should not just tell you that your methodology is correct when it damages the country.
What effing “methodology” are you effing talking about you nut case?
Captain said: “The Affordable Care Act rolls back payment rates for hospitals and insurers.”
You just made my point. You don’t think this $716Billion dollar cut is a takeaway? You don’t think this will diminish care and you don’t think the cost to seniors will go up as care goes down? They will roll back payments etc, never mind the inflation factor each year. This has a big impact on care and cost to Seniors.
His point is that Ryan’s plan has the same cuts in it.
A Plan with out tort reform is no plan at all.
You must have missed Captain Planet’s post on this very topic:
Fighting Medicare fraud has long been a top priority for President Obama. A new infographic describes how the Affordable Care Act is helping the Obama Administration crack down on Medicare fraud and make Medicare stronger. The new infographic shows how the law increases penalties for criminals who commit fraud and provides new enforcement tools to stop fraud and save taxpayers money.
These new tools are being used to fight Medicare and other health care fraud, and are getting results: The Administration’s anti-fraud efforts recovered $4.1 billion in taxpayer dollars last year, the second year recoveries hit this record-breaking level. Total recoveries over the last three years were $10.7 billion. Prosecutions are way up, too: the number of individuals charged with fraud increased from 797 in fiscal year 2008 to 1,430 in fiscal year 2011 – a more than 75 percent increase.
Want to see the new infographic?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infographics/medicare-fraud-0512
Fraud is not Tort Reform. Tort Reform takes the frivilous law suites out of the picture. Those law suites are for some reason legal. Fraud is against the law.
My point is the benefits are not impacted – read the first and third sentences. You know, the ones surrounding the one you singled out:
It’s worth noting that there’s one area these cuts don’t touch: Medicare benefits. The Affordable Care Act rolls back payment rates for hospitals and insurers. It does not, however, change the basket of benefits that patients have access to.
The reason why payments are being rolled back is due to the fact hopsitals and insurers are charging too much. These are known as inefficiencies. And, yes, Paul Ryan’s plan does the exact same thing. But, thanks for trying out, Sgt. Major.
It is hard for me to get a reply in with the cat fight going on with Foxy CT and Libby. Our wonderful VP, Bite Me Joe got another really good gaffe in today. He said “The Middle Class has been unduly burdoned in the past 4 years”. He followed that up with a real gem – It is not fair for Republicans to raise their taxes with tax cuts. Hmm! I think I might be putting a muzzle on him the rest of the campaign. I hope Ryan uses these utterances of stupidity in their debate.
I am almost looking more forward to the VP debate than I am this evening’s Presidential one! Is it possible that Biden is a bigger ass than Al Gore? Me thinks it is!!!
It is a very close race between Biden and Gore on who is the biggest and most stupid ass. Gore blamed the altitude for the President’s very poor showing. It hasn’t seemed to bother him in his numerous trips to Colorado including the famous Invesco field coronation.
It does not make any difference if the benefits don’t change if you pull $716 Billion out of the plan. So what does pulling out all that money mean. More cost to seniors and the quality of the healthcare goes down. It has to especially when you add in future inflation. If you believe there is no change in cost or quality to seniors, you are dumber than I thought.
Insurers ad hospitals are charging to much? Who says you, Obama, a bunch of nincompoops in Washington? So what is the correct ROE on a hospital and an insurer? So what Underwrting leverage should the insurer carry so they can maintain a rating and satisfy the return of their investors and the federal government.
That is a bunch of crap. The reason they pulled the money out of Medicare is due to the fact that they can’t figure out ho to pay for “The unaffordable Healthcare Act”. So let’s screw the seniors and the disabled so we can try to cover this T*rd.
You are an idiot
Sargent, have you ever noticed that no one wants to talk about graft and corruption regarding Medicare and Medicaid? It has been widely estimated that the system is being ripped off to the tune of $100 Billion to $150 Billion with a B each year by unscrupulous doctors, hospitals and vendors. Obama could put 500 or 1,000 Geeks to monitor the system for double, triple payments on treatments or vendors and catch a lot of these crooks and look how much could be saved, but oh no, we can’t do that. We have to cut needed senior care back and ration it to save money. What a joke!
Agent, did you realize that is why $716B is being removed by both President Obama and Paul Ryan in their budgets? The $716B comes from things like a $9 aspirin pill. Oh, and the Geeks you talk about – they are established. They are called HEAT. Here are just a few facts for you:
Fighting Medicare fraud has long been a top priority for President Obama. A new infographic describes how the Affordable Care Act is helping the Obama Administration crack down on Medicare fraud and make Medicare stronger. The new infographic shows how the law increases penalties for criminals who commit fraud and provides new enforcement tools to stop fraud and save taxpayers money.
These new tools are being used to fight Medicare and other health care fraud, and are getting results: The Administration’s anti-fraud efforts recovered $4.1 billion in taxpayer dollars last year, the second year recoveries hit this record-breaking level. Total recoveries over the last three years were $10.7 billion. Prosecutions are way up, too: the number of individuals charged with fraud increased from 797 in fiscal year 2008 to 1,430 in fiscal year 2011 – a more than 75 percent increase.
Want to see the new infographic?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infographics/medicare-fraud-0512
Forgive me Planet for not believing in anything coming out of Whitehouse.gov. They have been lying to us for 4 years about everything. Perhaps if they had been watching our tax dollars more carefully, we wouldn’t have an annual deficit of $1.4 Trillion and would have proposed and passed a budget that the country could live with. I believe the last one proposed was voted down 100-0 in the Senate. This administration is not into saving the taxpayers anything, only raising taxes which will definitely impact the Middle Class no matter what you say.
Agent, how come everybody is lying except FoxNews and Mitt Romney? You don’t take any source quoted by anyone as credible. You know what they say when everyone else is crazy? That maybe you’re the crazy one? If everyone else is a liar, maybe it’s you that’s lying. I have never seen someone so one-sided and tunnel-visioned as you. You are like a dog with a bone or better, a broken record. After a while it’s all just white noise.
Well, you can fact-check the numbers if you don’t believe them, Agent. So, please challenge the figures they are presenting when targeting the medicare/caid fraud. I think you will find they are solid.
Agent – dont forget he is from Illinois – Crook County to be exact.
You sir, are just simply wrong. But, go ahead and keep living in the fantasy world where the sky is falling. I, on the other hand, will not be listening to Chicken Little anymore.
Hello Agent;
I am late in the office, again and so I thought I would look at IJ. Yes, the libs never want to talk about fraud and when it is brought up they might admit it but don’t want to do anything about it. So let’s have everyone suffer. Then let’s lie to the seniors and scare them into voting for Barry by telling them that Romney will take away medicare/medicaid. Actually, when you read Romney’s plan, he puts the $716 Billion back into medicare.
I don’t think Barry wants to monitor the system because he needs the votes and alot of those who get the freebies and defraud the system are Barry supporters. They may not even know who Joe “gaffe a minute” Biden is but they know Barry.
Sargent, I don’t know if you saw the Howard Stern Youtube where he was asking Obama voters questions about why they are voting for Obama. It was very instructive of how they typically have no grasp of reality and their typical IQ was extremely low. One question was great. He asked the guy if he approved of Obama’s selection of Paul Ryan to be VP. The guy said oh yeah, that was great. This video shows they will vote for Obama no matter what because they will continue the freebies to them and they won’t have to hit a lick the rest of their lives.
I’d hardly call any survey done by Howard Stern in the least bit credible. You can do better than that, Agent.
I am certainly not a Howard Stern fan by any means, but this Youtube has gone viral. I have seen some similar interviews done by Jesse Waters of Fox when O’Reilly sends him out to ask questions on the street about politicians, issues and typically, the young 18-29 age group have no clue what is going on in the world and cannot express any opinion on anything. These are products of our wonderful education system where they don’t learn history or stay up with current events or what our government is doing to us. They are also the same crowd that cannot find a job because they have no usable skills and would rather live with Mom & Dad and download apps all day.
Wow, there you go with your broad brush again. The young typically do not know much about anything outside their immediate sphere of existance. That means Obama and Romney supporters in this age group alike.
You are trying to say all Obama supporters are ill-informed, uneducated nimcumpoops and that just isn’t so.
Libby, I would rather go down fighting for freedom, values and doing the right thing for this country than following a Progressive Socialist over the financial cliff like the lemmings you and Planet are. This great country has survived a number of bad Presidents in the course of our 200+ year history and we will survive once again. I thought Jimmy Carter’s 4 years was a very long time to endure and did well to keep a roof over my head and take care of my family. Luckily, I flourished after that and have had the kind of American Dream I thought I could achieve. Now, I have someone trying to take it away again. If history repeats as it has in the past, people will vote with their pocketbooks and your guy will be gone shortly. You and Planet can ride off in the sunset and meet up in Toronto.
Libby:
There you go again with the, both parties would have the weakness where it concerns a democrat flaw. While facts prove otherwise…
You can’t go off of emotions on this one Libby, the 18-29 demographic leans democrat considerably, and does take the cake on 18-29 youthful moron voters:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States)#Demographics
Reference Demographics:
In 2006, the GOP won 38% of the voters aged 18–29
Painting with a very specific brush is what we call what Agent did. Since you are young and heated, you still throw out the “that’s broad!” when someone puts out a factual comnent, and “that’s sexist” when one that comes out that is true with a woman. I believe 100% of women get pregant in all pregnancies. Am I sexist? No. Most voters who are 18-29 vote democrat. I’m not painting with a broad brush by saying it (or in this case Agent.)
The fact that they lean democrat is not the point, Bob. The point is they don’t know much about what’s going on these days. It’s not the 18-29 demographic that we had during the Vietnam war that was very aware of the political climate of the day.
And I am very sure I am older than you are, baby. You mistake passion for emotion. I am passionate about my beliefs. You are a number-crunching robot.
Libby:
First off, I am a proud number cruncher, but I do have emotions. I do not let emotions force my decisions to be poor ones like you do. I keep my head on straight. I’ll take your insult as a compliment.
You said “Wow, there you go with your broad brush again. The young typically do not know much about anything outside their immediate sphere of existance. That means Obama and Romney supporters in this age group alike.
You are trying to say all Obama supporters are ill-informed, uneducated nimcumpoops and that just isn’t so.”
The amount of those supporters in Obama’s campaign exceed that of the amount in Romney’s. There actually are, literally, factually, more uneducated people. It’s an actual provable number. 38% versus 62%. There is a larger number of idiot voters voting democrat.
From where do you get your numbers?
Libby:
I took the number for that one from Wikipedia. I gave you the link, I’ll assume you’re referring to my numbers in “genearl”. At which point again you are debating that all my numbers are wrong, rather than a particular number. Let’s keep debates on particulars, and not “generlizations”.
Contrary to your beliefs, where I get the numbers doesn’t matter.
You look at a piece, you find facts, you find methodology. You are so idiotic you don’t realize there are close to no articles with incorrect numbers, other than projections. I have shown you how your numbers ARE correct. They aren’t lies. I have shown you how they are rather IRRELAVENT facts.
WHO says our infant mortality rate is the worst in the world. That’s a fact. However, WHO did not account for what our country weighs as being an infant mortality in comparison to other countries. So the study does not compare what the “infant” mortality rate is in each country. So it compared “infant” mortality rate with varying definitions. Does this make WHO wrong? No. It’s methodolgy. You see it and then see Fox explain the infant mortality rate, and then call Fox a liar. (Fox never said this, I’m just using an extreme example of what happens with you).
You see a CBO projection for the Obama care act, and you take that as facts for what it will do. While you ignore the fact that Paul Ryan told people how CBO weighed the numbers. Not part of Obama’s plan, was a pay increase gap for doctors that has been passed the last 10 years in a row, and will be passed. Those are health care costs that were considered in Bush’s deficit, but not in Obama’s. Those are numbers that are a part of the total cost. Are the CBO weighed numbers on the deficit wrong? No. That is the true cost, of those sections of the bill.
MSNBC says that Oil companies pay a 9-17% tax rate. Forbes says 40% on average. Is MSNBC or Forbes lying? No. MSNBC used US effective tax rates. Forbes used their total taxes paid in all countries. Then you go off about how they don’t pay enough taxes. Yes, they do. And they don’t have infinite money. If you want to tax them over 50%, you see how many people they can hire and how much they can expand. The more they expand, the more they hire. Your solution to get revenues no matter the cost destroys capital in favor of enitlement. I don’t say that as an insult to entitlements. They are needed in many cases. However, so are jobs, and jobs produce taxable revenues.
There are three specific examples on “numbers” showing that you clearly do not know “numbers”. It’s not a matter of who gave the numbers. It’s a matter of finding how whoever gave the numbers came up with the numbers (methodology) which you plainly don’t get at all.
Knowing methodology is the only way of having a damn clue as to who helps the economy, so if you don’t know methodology, and are mocking republicans on what you perceive are their effects based on “methodology” which you perceive is a numerical fact, than you are basically making an “ideological” hypothetical argument, and turning it into a factual debate (which is by default impossible).
We have not tried republican ideals (if you can name one law passed that was based on the core republican ideals, I’ll say it’s republicans ruining our country)
We tried CRA regulations for home loans (Carter) We tried increasing revenues for social security, and gave no new options for 401k’s (Bush’s 401k plans tax deferred and tax exempt for people below $90,000 in annual income, rather than just tax exempt. 401k’s are taxed for your income invested just not earned when you withdraw). That was a republican plan that would have helped the middle class, a private plan, not a government entitlement. We didn’t try it. Privatizing social security for people who choose it and keeping the safety net for people who need it, we didn’t try that either. By the way, that would keep BOTH options available, that’s more not less.
TARP, democrat sponsored. Bush signed it under pressure.
What republican filth plans have gone through Libby?
Iraq? My counter to that is Libya, and not to mention North Korea. If FDR had not have given presidents the executive order, and the authority to go to war we wouldn’t have this problem.
I am not ok with presidents getting more power. At all. FDR was the king of that. Not Bush. And we want to go more that route…Unbelievable.
Jesus, Bob. I just asked where you got the numbers. I didn’t see the link or I wouldn’t have asked. You make an argument out of everything.
Oh by the way, any person who throws out “OMG” past the age of 30 has the maturity of a 2 year old. So if you really are older than I am, you better be ready for a slew of insults based on that fact alone.
I doubt very much you are. But while we’re on your bashing spree in this post I should point out the following:
You’re acting like a kid again. You keep saying you’re “passionate” and “stylish” whenever you insult someone, then you say how you “haven’t forgotten” what I “did” when you were googlegal when I finally decide to make nice with you.
Everyone in the world is held to your will and testament, the bible of Libby, to be judged on whether they are worthless crap or not, and whether or not they can make things good with someone. Because if Libby doesn’t want things to be set right, then damn it, they will not be set right, and that will teach that person for being WRONG right Libby?
You call me an asshole…Jesus Christ.
Don’t say you never said the above. You’ve definitely made it clear you believe the above, you right wing zealot. That’s what you lefties hate about the right, right? That we hold things to people and just have so much hate and are close minded? We can’t let things go just to love people eh? We are the source of just so much hate, and you just have to stop that hate, no matter what!!!! You’ve got to make sure that hate stays with us!
Your immaturity in this site is borderline insantiy. You’re stubborn attitude to come to a compromise is insane. You have not agreed with even one line item I have commented on, even when proven.
I have agreed with you. I have offered resolutions. I have given you solutions. Quit being a baby, and stop with the bullshit, ok?
You are no authority on anyone’s maturity level. And yes, I am stubborn. And yes, I do think you’re an asshole. If that makes me immature, so be it. Your insults no longer incense me, Bob, as I could care less what you think about me – as Libby or Googlegal.
Thank you for your “resolutions” and “solutions,” but no thank you. Stick ’em where the sun don’t shine, baby. I may need counseling, but definitely not from you. I know you will respond because it just kills you not to have the last word. And who’s the immature one here? But it keeps me entertained in the afternoon, so bring it on.
Libby,
None of your last post made sense, and I don’t need the last word. I left our convo on the last posting because you were out of line. You didn’t leave I noticed, but I have made no more comments. So, that’s you not me.
Moving forward:
All that matters is the following: If you’re the type of person who makes damn certain she finishes a conflict, you’re the asshole. If I attempt to end the conflict, and you say damn straight you’re going to keep those conflicts going, you’re the asshole.
Short and to the point enough for ya? Keep ’em rolling hah. Hilarious Libby.
To do with Maturity: When you come in attacking my “grammar” you better be ready for the reply of OMG not being exactly the best type of speech gramatically or maturity wise. Got that as well?
Fix your head.
You’re an asshole, too, then. Because I tried to end an argument with you and you accused me of backpedaling. So, again, take all your remarks and stick ’em.
Did you understand that clear enough?
Libby,
In no area of any of these did you attempt to end an argument. You tried to force me not to respond, and tried to end it with an insult.
“Thank you for your “resolutions” and “solutions,” but no thank you. Stick ‘em where the sun don’t shine, baby. I may need counseling, but definitely not from you. I know you will respond because it just kills you not to have the last word. And who’s the immature one here? But it keeps me entertained in the afternoon, so bring it on.”
Resolutions that I was referring to: My post where I said you were right and that we needed to stop fighting. So I should take my “not fighting” and stick it where the sun don’t shine, and this is you trying to stop a fight?
Please. You’re a puffed up bully who is used to getting what she wants and hearing what she wants to hear.
I’m not trying to stop a fight here. I said bring it on. I tried in other posts, many weeks ago. And you snubbed and insulted me. Let’s just have a detante. You leave me alone and I’ll leave you alone. How’s that? Or are you not up for compromise?
So Bob, I see you and Libby continuing your running battle with the facts. She has her uninformed facts and you have your real facts and reasoning. You do need to cut her some slack though. She is having a tough time defending her savior’s non performance last night. The left is spinning like crazy today. Axelrod blamed it on the altitude. Wow, I wonder why the altitude didn’t bother him on his numerous visits to Colorado to speak and fund raise.
Libby,
The numbers were a part of the link. I assumed, that you were talking about all.
I don’t see how one could have missed the numbers.
I didn’t see the link. Now that you’ve pointed it out, I’ll take a look.
Libby,
Actually, no you did not try to stop the fight, and no I did not snub my nose at you. If you had ever said you were sorry for acting out I would have ended the entire fight. I did. I helped you on a debate where I agreed (gun control) as I don’t like guns. Saying you’re sorry does not equate to saying your facts are wrong as I imagine you may have thought was what I was attempting to do. I was not.
When I attempted to stop the fight you told me you refused, because you still remembered my relentless attacks on “googlegal” (you).
When someone tells me in their “apology” that I snubbed my nose at them and tries to take the high ground I don’t accept that as an apology.
Remove the premise there of trying to smack me in the face and you won’t get smacked back. The question is are YOU capable of compromise and mutual resolution? I certainly am.
I asked for a detante. Can’t we just both drop it? It’s silly. I’m not saying I’m sorry and neither are you. Let’s just agree to disagree and leave each other alone.
If you’re not up for that, I’ll take that as a snub and will expect you to continue your jabs at me. If so, I say bring it on.
Libby:
In one section you say you’re not trying to stop a fight, in another you say you want the fight to end, and in another you say you tried to stop fighting but I snubbed you and you couldn’t.
So in conclusion:
Past tense you tried to stop the fight, currently you aren’t trying and don’t want to, and why don’t we just stop fighting and agree to disagree?
Huh? There are so many logical inconsistencies here. First, past doesn’t determine now. You want in the now for us to agree to disagree, ergo stop fighting. But you simultaneously say you don’t want for us to stop fighting and to bring it on. What? Seriously, are you thinking thing through or are you this pissed off?
Don’t speak for my part of “not” saying sorry. I already did. You’re the one who doesn’t want to.
I never once snubbed your attempt to stop a fight. I don’t do such things, as is evident by our current convo, and our last, with me trying to find a common ground and a solution.
Again, Bob, you try to twist the truth to suit yourself. I tried to stop fighting in another post many months ago to which you responded I was backpedaling.
I think things through just fine. I asked CURRENTLY for a detante. No apologies necessary from either side (and you never apologized to me), just an agreement to agree to disagree and leave each other alone.
I said IF you are not willing to do that (as evidenced by your last post) then BRING IT ON. I will not back down from a fight, but I’d rather just put a stop to it.
Hopefully this is clear enough for your 156 brain to understand. I want to end this NOW. If you don’t, I will not back down.
Bottom line, ball’s in your court.
Libby,
Name one thing I twisted in that post. You did say you past tense tried to stop the fight.
You did not.
I said current tense you told me to bring it on and don’t want to stop the fight. You did. (this conversation)
I said you also said we needed to agree to disagree (current converation) you did. That’s saying you want the fight to end.
There is no twisting in my post.
Show the post where you said we needed to resolve things and I didn’t allow it and said you were backpettaling. I never did that, I know for a fact. I do not say “you’re backpettaling” as a response to someone saying they are sorry. There’s no such thing logically as backpetaling when someone says sorry. That’s an end. Not a start. You are blatantly thinking something happened that did not, or you are lying. Those are the only options. Show the post where I snubbed you and wouldn’t accept your apology. It, did, not, happen. Admit it.
Bob, as usual you’re being an ass. I did say I wanted to end things back when I was googlegal. I’m not going to waste my time to try to find the post.
I said present tense, let’s agree to disagree BUT if you don’t want to do that, then bring it on because I will not back down.
You apparantly want to keep this going, but I don’t have time for your nonsense today.
Libby:
Your quote to my saying I have sought resolutions: “Thank you for your “resolutions” and “solutions,” but no thank you. Stick ‘em where the sun don’t shine, baby. I may need counseling, but definitely not from you. I know you will respond because it just kills you not to have the last word. And who’s the immature one here? But it keeps me entertained in the afternoon, so bring it on.”
That was not an if. That was you saying no thank you to an end while I sought one.
You did however then say
“I asked for a detante. Can’t we just both drop it? It’s silly. I’m not saying I’m sorry and neither are you. Let’s just agree to disagree and leave each other alone.
If you’re not up for that, I’ll take that as a snub and will expect you to continue your jabs at me. If so, I say bring it on.”
You never asked for a detante. I asked for an end. Then you switched your tune to try to force me to give you high ground. What this means is you told me I wasn’t saying sorry and neither were you. That was speaking for me, by stating what you would not do and what I must not do as a result. Then you kept on saying I was the block if I didn’t do things. No, we aren’t playing that way. That’s indirect passive agressive bullying. You’re trying to make me an agressor. What’s going to happen is this, and for now I’m going to treat you like a child because you have to be:
A: You’re going to stop insulting me
B: You’re going to stop comparing me to people in this post when they say things you don’t agree with.
C: You’re going to stop doing this to other people in this post.
All of those are not a matter of your political opinions, and you have no right to be doing. Justify it all you want.
That’s the way it’s going to be.
Now you’re really pissing me off. Just shut the f up already! I’m sick of your silly shit. Do what you want to. I plan to do the same.
Sargent, Planet keeps telling us we are living in a fantasy world with the sky falling. He doesn’t realize the sky has been falling on this country for the past 4 years because it hasn’t fallen on his head yet. The country is hurting now and he and Libby think everything is hunky dory and they will gladly follow their leader like lemmings going over the cliff. I maintain that Planet & Libby are living in an alternate universe and cannot see reality in today’s world.
And you, sir, don’t seem to know Jack Schitt.
Planet, You have been strangely silent today. Did the popcorn and beer get stuck in your craw last night? Your Messiah proved to be the empty suit we all thought he was the past 4 years. He was supremely unqualified to hold this office in 08 and proved last night that he is still unqualified to hold the office. Time to let him go.
So Planet, I did not think you liked name calling? Remember “sticks and stones” comment?
Have you and libby come up with the appropriate ROE (that is assuming you two know what ROE is) for a hospital and an insurer? I mean, that is your excuse (and I guess the other libbers including Barry Obama) as to why Barry and company cut $716 Billion out of medicare. You said that they charged to much. So what is the correct charge and what is the correct ROE? what is the correct amount of underwriting leverage so that an insurer can maintain their rating, satisfy their investors and satisfy the federal government? Whenever the federl government starts dictating profit margin to private industry, that is the road to socialism/communism.
So, come on what is your answer? Morons
You two are the ones who don’t know Jack.
What does the amount of underwriting leverage for an insurance carrier have to do with cutting reimbursements to hospitals? I don’t the “correct” ROE (return on equity, by the way) on a hospital. I would suppose it depends on alot of things, such as is it for profit or not. Do YOU know what it should be? Do you know what it is currently?
Charging $9 for an aspirin (it happens) is no different than Haliburten charging $600 for a toilet seat. It’s fraud. But I suppose that’s OK when it’s a crooked defense contractor run by Republican cronies with tight bonds to the Vice President.
You are the joke. Have you been to a hospital lately? I had a broken rib and by the time it was all said and done I had about 12 different entities billing me from thinking about taking an x-ray, actually taking the x-ray, looking at the x-ray, discussing the x-ray with me, etc., etc., etc. It was mind boggling. Surely it can be run more efficiently and therefore more cost effective. Just because medicare is paying doesn’t give them carte blanche to stick it to the taxpayer.
Oh! And Jack is my brother.
Sgt., I said “seem to know Jack Schitt” and Chicken Little is what I am calling the right, not you in particular. The entire conservative side is suggesting the sky is falling but every day I look out there, I see a sunny sky with things improving. The Right can have their glass half empty, mine is half full and will remain that way once Obama is re-elected in a little over a month.
Agent, they don’t want to watch the Obama supporters videos. The fact remains that the questions are relevannt no matter who asks them and proves that there are a lot of “uninformed” Obama voters.
Talk about uninformed Obama voters. From what I see on IJ, from death panels to just down-right lies and mistruths, there seem to be MORE uninformed Republicans out there spreading fear and contempt in their usual fashion. Why don’t you go back to denegrating entire races and ethnicities of people and leave the politics with people that have the facts. You are very good at being a bigot – not so much with presenting a fair and unbiased picture of reality.
Sargent, Libby is in total denial about the Death Panels of bureaucrats who will be denying care to seniors under Obamacare. Had she bothered to read the bill, she would have seen it. While it may not have technically been called death panels, the bureaucracy is in place to make the life and death decisions on citizens and the doctors will be helpless when the appeal is denied. Thank you Obama for throwing seniors under the bus.
Read it and learn, Agent. THERE ARE NO DEATH PANELS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_panel
Libby said- What does the amount of underwriting leverage for an insurance carrier have to do with cutting reimbursements to hospitals? I don’t the “correct” ROE (return on equity, by the way) on a hospital. I would suppose it depends on alot of things, such as is it for profit or not. Do YOU know what it should be? Do you know what it is currently?
Poor Libby, Return on investment has alot to do with cutting back payments to hospitals because you are taking away reimbursement money which has an impact on their ability to make money which has an impact oon the hospitals return on the money invested in them. If the investors don’t like it, they take their money somewhere else and the hospital can die. Thats what. Maybe Barry should initiate tort reform first. Or cut off able bodied welfare recipients and illegal aliens to reduce the cost of medicine. The reasons there are so many tests, reviews and more tests are 1.) they want to make sure you are OK and 2.) They have to cover their A** so when they get sued because you ran over a child in a crosswalk they can prove it was because you were smoking dope and not because you did not have the right testing done.
And yes, I do know what the ROE for a hospital should be. You ready? Since we are a capitalist society it should be whatever they earn given the invested capital, their operating structure and their efficiency in the operation. If they don’t make it it is not because a socialized federal healthcare program helps put them out of business.
Your buddy is the one who said insurers and hospitals charge to much. Insurers pay whatever the schedule calls for. They did not pay $9 for an aspirin. The schedule has nothing to do with the reimbursement, just look at medicare reimbursements now. They pay what the schedule calls for not what is billed and neither does your insurer. But if it is up to Obama he will cut reimbursements again by $716 Billion dollars. That is not fair to Seniors, period
You still did not answer my question about what insurance carrier underwriting has to do with hospitals ROE.
I understand what an ROE is and how it operates. I also understand that uninsured people are charged $9 for an aspirin and they DO NOT have an insurance company to fall back on fee scheduling. That’s the whole point, poor, poor, deluded Sarge.
And “And yes, I do know what the ROE for a hospital should be. You ready? Since we are a capitalist society it should be whatever they earn given the invested capital, their operating structure and their efficiency in the operation.” is a bunch of double speak for you don’t know what an average ROE is for a hospital. Just that it should make money. I’m pretty sure I mentioned the question whether it was a for-profit or non-profit hospital before I could answer your ROE question. You don’t know any more about the ROE or running of a hospital than I do. The difference is, I don’t pretend to know.
Libby, that’s the very difference. Whereas, we do our research, look for answers, facts, truths, the conservatives just pretend to know. Even Paul Ryan has said, about their budget, A) I haven’t run the numbers yet and B) I don’t have time to get into the math. They just pretend to know it’s going to work. They’re like the Muppet Babies, just make believe all day long. Hence, the fantasy world they live in. Ze plane, ze plane!
I hear ya, Boss.
Libby, you are an idiot if you can’t figure out that cutting payments to insurers and cutting payments to hospitals has an impact on the profitability of both.
In an email above, your buddy said that the $716 billion cut in medicare was nothing but a rollback or cuts in payments to insurers and hospitals Did you even read that?). Then he said, that is because insurers and hospitals charge to much. So try to follow along. Cutting payments (or rolling back payments to prior levels )means there is less money for the insurers and the hospitals but they have the same costs. That means they have less revenue to work with. That means they make less profit. That means there is less return on the investment the sharholders have in the company. Their option, increase revenue or cut costs. Increasing revenue is out because Barry is dictating what medicare/nedicaid will pay. If they cut costs what does that mean? Less staff, less MRI and CatScan equipment etc, longer delays on testing and poor healthcare quality.
As far as poor people being charged $9 for an aspirin that is bull. If they are poor then they are on medicaid and they pay the hospital. If they are illegal they come in under emergency medicaid and medicaid again pays.
Just curious Libby, are you self employed or do you work for a company, agency??
First of all, Sarge, your statement said “the amount of underwriting leverage”, not the amount of profit. If you were talking about the ability of the insurance company to make a profit you should have said so. Not some bullshit double speak again. Health insurance carriers have had years of record profits, dingaling. I don’t think it has “trickled down” to better care. So that one I don’t buy.
Also, I said NOTHING about poor people paying $9 for an aspirin. I said UNINSURED people. Big difference. But then again, you wouldn’t know because you are neither poor or uninsured, are you? I have a wonderful friend who’s husband has had 9 back surgeries. She’s gone through her 401k and all their savings and still had to declare bankruptcy. I’m sure she paid $9 for an aspirin.
She is not “poor” and works very hard and so did he until he became disabled. He applied for SSID and was denied. These are real life situations that happen to hard-working people that are very loved in this world. You don’t know what you’re talking about when it comes to this and you should just shut your bigoted mouth about it. I want these wonderful people to have an option for health care that won’t bankrupt them. I don’t care about you and your narrow-minded vision of the world.
They charge too much to Medicare/caid, Sgt. Major. Because, as set out in a previous bill, the government is not allowed to go looking for the best deal. They have to pay what they are billed. And, yes, there is proof of a $9 pill of aspirin charged to the gov’t. These types of charges are what the Obama Admin. is fighting against and this is where a majority of the $716B is coming from.
you poor, misinformed puppet.
You patronizing, condescending nimcumpoop.
And, to your point about profit. My personal take – there shouldn’t be a profit motive between me and my health.
There has to be. Business 98 from High School. The purpose of a business is to turn a profit. Without Profit, there is no business. Health, retail cloting store – dont matter. Has to be a profit.
Have you never heard of non-profit organizations? Hospitals used to be not-for-profit. Once that changed, everything went to hell.
Once lawyers were allowed to advertise, things went to hell.
1-800-bad drug all over tv among many other ones. Another IJ article stated that health premiums have escalate over 50% since 2009.
BTW, I used to have a bunch of NFP on the book. Most are gone because of cut funding – recently since this jack ass took over in Springfield.
Somebody watched the debates last night…That was a comment from Obama. I imagine it’s fresh on your mind.
Here’s something else worth noting: Insurance compaines build captial from claims not paid over time, to claims which are paid.
For catastrophic claims, this provides more coverage.
There is no preventitive care for cancer. Heart attacks lead to 1/3 deaths in America. There is no medical preventitive care for these either. The private system provides more for these services, by prioritizing them over needless small claims. Not only that, they make sure the small issues are paid for by people who can afford it, so that more money goes to the big. More importantly, they leave any money that is not spent on the big in a big pile to grow. This growth, is more effective than the government’s ability to pay out. It leaves more dollars for catastrophic care.
Has anyone noticed that Obama’s 2007 racist video is nowhere to be found on CNN.com? Not anywhere. Let’s hear you leftie’s defend that one.
Old news, CT. Haven’t you got anything better than that? I didn’t think so. That’s why Obama is getting 4 MORE YEARS! Now go to bed. It’s past your bedtime.
I knew you’d be the first one to post something about this Libby. It’s not old news. It doesn’t matter if his hate speech happened 5 years or 5 days ago. The man is a racist, he is a liar, he is a piece of s***. He’s a flip-flopper, an ego maniac, a narcissist. He is incompetent, disappointing, and a socialist. He is arrogant, unqualified, and untrustworthy. I could go on, but I’m sure I’ve made my point…which you will argue because of that liberal mental defect.
Have you even heard the speech CT? It’s not hate, it’s fact. The feds waived the requirement for matching funds for Hurrican Andrew and 9/11, but not for Katrina. A catastrophe that affected mainly poor, minority people in the south. Nothing racist or hate-filled in it. Just the facts.
Re-releasing the video is a pathetic attempt by the other side to deflect attention from Romney’s 47% remarks, but people have a much longer memory than Romney gives them credit for.
Must be mental defect on the conservative side.
I would not have brought it up if I didn’t see the speech, Libby. Not hate? Are you effing kidding me? It sounds like you are the one who didn’t see it. What a fool.
You done calling me names yet?
Well, I guess as soon as you stop calling me a dumb-ass, I’ll stop calling you a fool. How’s that? Too snarky for you?
Deal.
It’s a deal, Libby. No reason we can’t be civil. And, I mean that.
Me, too.
Good for you two.
There are plenty of tapes out there to use in his own words to see where he is coming from. They talk in black slang when giving a speech in a Black Church. How sorry of them to do that. Hilary did the same thing when she was running. They know they have the Blacks in their pocket so why not promote some hatred against whites and tell them Republicans will take their benefits away. Actually, the lot of the Blacks have gone down in the past 4 years and their unemployment rate is close to double what the whites are. Where are all those shovel ready jobs, Mr. President? Oops! The green jobs didn’t work out so well, did they?
He IS black, in case you haven’t noticed. So why shouldn’t he talk in “black slang” as you call it. You’re a pathetic racist. There is no hatred to whites. The hate is coming from the other side, pal.
You are just pathetic, Libby. You have brought yourself down to a new low. He is ALSO half white, you moron. Got your panties in a bunch, eh?
What panties?
Please, Libby. We don’t need that visual.
Speak for yourself hot-stuff.
That’s what my husband calls me! How’d you know that?
So you never did tell me. Is it Bridgeport or Greenwich? I’d bet Bridgeport based on your posts here.
Half-white? Who cares? So what, he’s faking the funk on a nasty dunk, is that what you’re trying to say? OK, so he’s the Jerry Seinfeld cookie, it doesn’t really matter. What he was speaking to was true. Unless you think, “You’re doing a hell of a job, Brownie!” In which case, the moronic comments are staring at the mouth in the mirror. Uh-oh, the “man in the mirror” – another white but black person – and he even wore just 1 white glove. 1 black hand, 1 white hand – are those 2 related?
You will never know what town in FF county I live. I would never divulge that info on line.
Oh brother. Think someone out there will stalk you? As if. You made a big deal of living in Fairfield County, the “gold coast” of CT as you called it (as if there is such a thing). So I have to think you live nowhere near Greenwich or Westport. And you probably aren’t that hot, either. You’re trying too hard CT. Real women don’t have to try. We just are.
Do you know when that video was first available? 2007. You know what else? It’s factual. You know what else? GObama 2012!
Did you read my comment, Captain Airhead? I mentioned that it was 5 yrs ago. My point…wtf does it matter? 5 years…5 days…5 minutes. The man is a racist and it’s finally come out for sure…you left wingnuts cannot stand it.
Oh, I know. Total racist. Put a hood on him. He’s like Clayton Bigsby, the black white supremacist:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i9iTYe6tEk
Err, you mean, Blayton Cigsby, the white black supremacist. Either way, Dave Chappelle is hilarious. And so are your posts, CT Agent.
I wont be watching the debates tonight. Same old tired crap from both sides.
I would not believe anything out of oBamas mouth either. He is from Crook County which is on the most corrupt state in the nation.
Did you see he purchased the empty prison in Thompson IL? Now, Ill can house their own crooks -lighten the burdeon on In, Co & WI. Maybe, when it comes out what he knew about the sale of the Senate Seat, he just wanted a place to be close to home.
Captain Airhead – nice – more hijinx from the elementary playground. Careful, CT Agent, things like that at recess could get your name on the board with a check when you get back to homeroom.
Captain says- “And, to your point about profit. My personal take – there shouldn’t be a profit motive between me and my health.”
So your at least a socialist and probably a communist? You had better hope there is profit in healthcare and competition also or the quality of the healthcare will be in the toilet for all and the eventual cost will be as much or more than it is now. That is the federal government way. That is why the pay $600.00 for a toilet seat. You could always move to Russia, I hear they have government run healthcare. Or even Canada for that matter
FYI for ANYONE who thinks the tape is the October Surprise. It was first reported on Fox on Tuesday, June 5, 2007. Hardly a surprise and probably why it’s no longer a headline on “Drudge”. The Right shoots, it misses.
The actual October Surprise was the wonderful Labor Department massaging the unemployment numbers to bring it down to 7.8% the month before the election. What a crock! They only had 114,000 jobs created when 250,000 are needed to keep the rate the same and mysteriously, the rate went down. Perhaps another 300-400,000 gave up looking for work and dropped out of the system like they have been doing the past couple of years. Also, there has been a big rise in people applying for Social Security Disability when their 99 weeks are up. Boy, they are sure creating those jobs, aren’t they?
PS Libby- stick to underwriting your 10-01 deals and your cubical because you are not to bright on the making money front.
How did I get pulled into this one? I make very decent money, Sarge. In fact, I’m one of those that has to pay more for my health insurance because I am in the high-wage earner capacity in my agency. So, once again, you don’t know what you’re talking about. But nice try. Take your pot shots elsewhere.
Libby-
Wow, I wasn’t talking about your personal situation or what you get paid. So, you just proved my point above. WOWWWW!
You said I’m “not too bright on the money making front”. If that’s not a personal attack, I don’t know what is.
In addition, I am not an underwriter. I am a broker. Don’t insult me again.
Su re you are – a Field Underwiter. You the front line. You look at something and you go ICK!!! You walk away. your underwriting.
I am not a wholesale, FFA. I am an agent, or as I prefer to call it, a broker. As I represent my client, the insured, and not the insurance carrier. That’s Insurance 101. The difference between an agent and a broker. I AM NOT AN UNDERWRITER.
When I came in the business, I was told I am a Field Underwriter. Should a risk pass my inspection, then I pass it to the decision makers – the Company Underwriter.
If your a field agent such as I am, you dont want to take on head aches.
I run a highly profitable agency and been offered 3x for my book recently because of the onus money that I earn. Its not dumb luck my loss runs look as good as they do. Its because I underwrite business before I submit it. Didnt realize being an Underwriter was some sort of insult. I just assumed Broker – agent, what ever, we all underwrite if nothing else but to protect the rate structure.
I care about my clients and their rate structure and cost of risk. Not so much concerned about the carrier. They will find a way to make money. My focus is on controlling risk for my clients. Technically, I am a licensed agent, but I prefer to call myself a broker since I represent the client’s needs to the carrier.
Weather you realize it or not, your unnderwriting at the field level. Your looking at proper placement of the risk you have in front of you. You put it in to the correct company and get it by the company underwriter because of what info you have gathered.
To further the example, your not going to put a substandard risk into a preferred carrier.
Yes, there is some underwriting involved in what I do, but there is so much more. Assisting the client with risk control, which may or may not include insurance as a risk transfer mechanism, monitoring claims, negotiating with the carrier for the best product at the best price, troubleshooting, etc. I am much more than just a field underwriter, but I also do field underwriting.
FFA, I have been at this for over 30 years in the P&C end. We have always been field underwriters for companies. They want us to inspect properties, take photos, do the preliminary work on the business, do the apps, get the Loss Runs etc, all for a diminishing commission. We do want the risk to stick so we go the extra mile. As an agent and not a broker, we are sometimes caught between our representing the company and representing the client. That is somewhat of a dilemma or in other words caught between a rock and a hard place. I lean more toward the client than the company unless they are wrong.
The client pays the bills. They are always right, even when they aren’t. And if you work on a fee basis, you can eliminate any conflict with commission-based compensation.
And what is so insulting about being an Underwriter. Its an honest job that pays an honest buck.
I have a hard time with Fee based services. I knwo many of my peers fee things, but I just cant bring myself to do that. Except for both my teenager jobs, I have always worked commission. Pay me what I deserve because I earned it not because I am entitled.
A fee is not an entitlement. It is a fee for service not tied to premium dollars. Why should I make more in a hard market and less in a soft market for the same amount of work? And the insured does not have to worry that I am placing business with a carrier because of the commission rate or profit sharing bonus.
I find being called an underwriter insulting because I have never seen one work as hard as a agent. An agent can’t say “no thanks” to the client when they come to you with a difficult situation. An underwriter just says “I’ll pass”. Plus the agent is the go-between and has to feed 2 masters. Not an easy task and it takes experience, finesse, and negotiating skills to do it well. It’s much more difficult than underwriting.
All true points. No argument from me on them until it comes to the insult part. There is nothing insulting about a legit job paying a legit buck. They dont work as hard, they dont make as much.
Another point to agree to disagree on.
That’s fine, I just don’t like being called an underwriter. That’s all.
Once apon a time before I was old enough to even think about politics, a Republican President made a speech. The big catch phrase was “Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country!”
Anyone know who said that? What ever happened to that guiding thought?
That was John F. Kennedy and he was a Democrat.
Nice fact checking, Libby. Can’t believe FFA went that route. It’s almost so sad it’s funny he thought that was a Repub.
Obama must have heard that message, too. He is working extremely hard for this country.
What did Romney do when the country came calling for him? Oh yeah, he ran away to a foreign beach. He’s above war. And, if he gets in office, the 47% will be eating Soylent Green. “It’s peeeeople. It’s peeeople!”
4 years of not passing a budget, and when the republicans tried to force him to put his plan on the table it didn’t get one single vote from democrats.
That’s really trying. Go fact check that one Captain.
Are you fully aware of what that means? We are operating on BUSH’s budget. That is correct. The one you hate.
And not only that, Obama specifically stated that everyone knew the budget would be bad because it had automatic triggers for the recession. Triggers which were made by…Republican George W Bush.
I have seen you try to call Romney George W. If he were (which he’s not) then he must be caring for the 47 correct? Since his triggers are in effect right now. Not Obama’s.
Obama extended those triggers (in the particular field of unemployment being given out longer) so he must really be a George W.
Wasnt that FDR, a Democrat? I was trying to be Snarky. Did I get it right?
Whom ever it was, we should dig him up and have him give it again.
too many people asking – no demanding their country do something for them.
Both FDR and JFK were democrats. Snarky doesn’t suit you, FFA.
All right then. Not going to learn something new today.
Isn’t it a shame that the party of Truman & Kennedy has degenerated into the Progressive Socialis Party we have now? If Kennedy were alive with the same beliefs he had then, it would line up as a moderate Republican. LBJ started the give a way program with his War on Poverty with the robbed Social Security Trust Fund and it has steadily degenerated from there.
True on that.
There have been some good points made on both sides, but the pettiness and immaturity shown in the majority of the comments is an embarrassment to the insurance profession.
They are not insurance people. Paid Bloggers.
FFA. I’ve been a broker for 33 years. Nobody pays me to post on this blog.
Didnt say you. Cant deny they are out.
This does confuse me. This bill pulls a perfectly good marketable product out of the mix.
Why do you fight so hard for this?
His remarks about Insurance Industry being Immoral should be insulting to everyone in the business.
Good Job Bob. In fact since he could not come up with abudget that even his own henchmen would pass, Ol Barry extended all of the Bush tax cuts. He did not have the B*lls to do anything about them. No budget and that means no plan to pay for Obummercare. Now he wants to get relected so he can put forth a mindless and useless plan on everyone because he does not have to worry about being President for a thrd term. He really is the “T*rd in the punchbowl”. Let’s hope the Republicans keep control of the House
The good news is that Romney’s performance has him surging in the polls and several have him ahead in the battleground states. All he has to do is keep the momentum and take it to the President in the coming debates. I bet Obama studies a little harder for the next one. No View, no Letterman and no altitude excuses. Ryan will also hand Bite Me his head in their debate as well. Bite Me just said they were going to raise taxes $1Trillion. That should go over very well with the American People who are strapped and don’t need any more taxes put on them including all the new taxes in Obummercare.
Another Democrat thought – Why are they allowing Jesse Jr to remain on the ballott? He has been absent from work for Months. He is undergoing intense treatment for who knows how long. He has been diagnosed with a Mental Disorder. Why is he still on the ballott? Someone with a sever mental disorder that needed inpatient treatment at Mayo Clinic. Maybe he is just setting up an insanity defense for when the feds bust him for trying to buy the senate seat? Any thoughts from you brianeak Democrats out there? What does OBama know about it? What does Rahm know about it?
Jr wife was on the local news last night. No clue when he is going to make a public appearance. I do sympathize and realize the need for privacy. He is a public official. The people that represent him have a need to see him. But, he has been off the job for some time. Peolpe got to be smart enough to vote against him. He is not fit to work as evidence of his extended leave.
What – no comments on the debate? ABC Local news had “Truth Finder” on the local new after the debate. Seems OBama scored higher on the lying then did Romney by one. I would have expected a wider margin as OBama is from Illinois. The one lie that Romney did tell was surprising. He stated that oBama 2x the deficit. Not True according to Chuck Goudie. Deficit was $10 Trill when oBama took over. It is now $16T. He only increased the deficit by $6T in just 4 short years. Give OBama another 4 years it still wont be true, he will have moved that up to $22T which is more then 2X.
Me, I did not watch. I did my LTC Certification.
FFA, You missed a real treat. I bet Planet & Libby were choking on their popcorn and beer and had to be recusitated halfway through. Even the farthest left supporter Bill Maher said he couldn’t believe how bad the President did and that he needed the teleprompter. Romney was in total control and had a command of the facts not seen in a debate before. Unlike Mr. Reach across the aisle McCain 4 years ago, Romney looked Presidential and took it to the President and did it with a smile on his face and was not mean to him. Romney shows real leadership and Obama looked pathetic and defensive. It really showed that he had Lurch Kerry as his debate coach. On the other hand, Portman did a masterful job of preparing Mitt. The media is downplaying the bump, but I think it will be telling when they come out.
I was surprised to see how well Romney did last night. I have to hand it to him, he did well. I don’t agree that Obama was pathetic and defensive, but he did not have his usual energy. But then again, he has a country to run and doesn’t have all day to practice.
Yes. I guess it takes some effort to send $350M to a country that just murdered our innocent citizens.
Obama is at UW Madison today. My Niece attends that school and will be skipping class to go see him. The question I want answered is why send that kind of money to Egypt when we have starving people on the home land. No matter how small a %% it is Libby, it can go a long way to feed a lot of hungry people.
As a president, he is really failing the American People on that front. Even you can see that.
Since when are you for the government feeding hungry people? I thought you were against “entitlements”.
I am aginst people taking advantage like my daughter – “Why should I get a job when I get more sitting at home?”
I am agianst her getting a $3-% K tax refund when she never got off her but long enough to earn less then that.
She needs to starve before she gets motivated to get off her ass. Maybe oBummer cutting her off would motivate her.
Foreign Murders vs Americans? Easy decision there Libby.
Hilary said she would check on the investigation and get back to Congress with a report. Do you think that report will come back before the election? I think not. By the way, the FBI finally showed up in Benghazi 3 weeks after the fact to start their investigation. Nice response time FBI.
Sorry fact checkers – OBunmmer is at UW Madison today, not yesterday.
Libby, this man has not had to answer a tough question in 4 years since the media has given him a total pass. Perhaps if they had vetted him properly and gave him some tough questions over his decisions he would have been sharper. This man has no record to run on so he was hanging his head often and would not even look Romney in the eye. I believe he thought Lehrer would give him another pass and all he had to do was show up and grin at the camera and declare victory. His campaign is in total panic mode now and we now see the smartest man in the room is not so bright. I hope you stop with the excuses for this abysmal performance. If he had time to go on Letterman and The View, he had time to prepare for this important debate.
Agent, I complimented your guy. Wasn’t easy for me, but I did it. That’s all you’re getting. The debate did not change my mind, but if hell freezes over and he is elected I will not pack my bags and move to Canada.
I know this debate did not change your mind since you are so committed to your guy, but you have to admit the narrative has changed now and there was a huge audience – 50+million households and Romney may have sealed the deal for a lot of those undecideds who really don’t like what was going on for 4 years, but haven’t seen the real Mitt yet since they have been fed all the lies by the lame stream media. I do believe the attack dogs will be unleashed for the next one and Mitt had better get ready for it.
I, too, think we’ll see a different style of debate next time. Should be an interesting 5 weeks.
Seemed like he had his designer hair piece on. If the only thing he his hiding is a bald head, then hes the man! Beside that he was named after something a B Ball player uses.
Well, one thing is for sure, he didn’t send a thrill up Chris Matthews leg. Matthews wants him to watch more MSNBC with him and madcow to get his talking points. Blame meister Axelrod said it was the altitude that affected him and that is why he didn’t have the energy. Kind of strange since he has visited Colorado on a regular basis to fund raise and give speeches and it didn’t affect him for those events. This is a total meltdown going on now. They just can’t believe the Messiah is human after all. To us, it just showed he wasn’t qualified for the office in the first place.
Actually FFA, he keeps his hair cut down so low, it doesn’t show his gray so much. He is turning gray so fast now trying to defend his non-existent record. I think lying also makes the gray sprout faster than telling the truth. Perhaps Michelle should rub some of that Grecian formula on him to keep his youthful look. Either that or feed him some more broccoli and carrots and hold the ice cream.
FFA was talking about Mitt Romney (Get it? Mitt. Something a baseball player uses?)
I see where you are coming from FFA, but I think Romney was talking about the annual debt. Bush had one of about $550 Billion his last year and Obama took it to $1 Trillion plus where it has remained for the past 4 years. In fact, we reached $1 Trillion in August this year so it is likely to be in the $1.6 Trillion range by the end of the year. That is quite a track record. One thing Romney brought out that I didn’t know was when Obama started grousing about the $2.8 Billion in tax credits to Oil & Gas, Romney countered with the $90 Billion in tax credits given to Wind & Solar/Green companies, most of which went belly up after using up their loan money. I guess we now don’t have to worry about them taking tax credits since they are no longer in business and can’t contribute to the Obama campaign anymore.
Ok. Thanks. Obviously not paying much attention as my mind is made up.
I will never support someone that want to fund Terrorists so the can buy weapons to murder our citizens in cold blood.
As much as I am against our citizens keeping their hand out for what ever OBoma has to give, I am more against the foreign funding as a whole and in particular Terrorist Nations that kill innocent people. Time to pull all americans out of the Mid East. We were once a Self Sufficent NAtion, we can be that again.
Nancy Lugosi is now blaming the Republicans for the Benghazi attack that killed the Ambassador. They are pretty good at blaming someone else for their failures, aren’t they? The fact was that the Administration cut $129 million from the State Dept for security and construction at the embasssies. Now, Nancy is saying the Republicans refused to fund the State Dept. You know what, they seem to find the money to send to Egypt to fund the Muslim Brotherhood, didn’t they?
Maybe OBama & Biden can apply for the opeing at the Embasy in Libya come November.
No time to practice because he has a country to run? Did you mean too busy running around fund-raising?…important meetings with foreign leaders and dignitaries, such as Beyonce and JayZ?…important interviews…on The View? What???
There may be myriad reasons to either vote for or against Mr. Obama, but I can think of one word, and one word alone, as ample justification as to why he should be defeated in November: BENGAHZI
JB don’t forget the 100 rounds of golf! He is a busy man
I don’t think Romney plays golf. Anyway, he will be too busy rolling back all those executive orders, repealing and replacing Obamacare, getting rid of the EPA hierarchy, and getting rid of a bunch of agencies and merging departments so we can get a bunch of those Federal bureacrats off of our payroll. This government needs to do some serious shrinking and then we can think about balancing the budget. If he gives Small Business a break, opens up the Energy development, builds the Keystone pipeline, millions of jobs will be created. That is how you get the economy going again.
JB
Why meet with Isreal Prime Minister Netanyahu and discuss Irans nuclear capability and what to do about it when you can have serious discussion with Whoopi Goldberg and Joy Behar? Why enact any Simpson/Bowles recommendations when you can kibitz with Beyonce, JayZ, Flo-Rida and David Letterman?
What a buffoon and a liar. When you look at fact check you find out how many lies and half truths Barry made during the debate.
Vote him out in November.
Whats to discuss? Bomb the crap out of them until the threat is gone. You know, no matter what they say, they are going forward with their plan what ever it may be. What ever it takes to stop them for getting a Nuke is the only thing to discuss. Appears obvious.
Hey, I am with you. But we don’t need to send troops. Israel should be able to handle this on their own with a little help from us. If only Barry would even meet with him. No, Obama would rather have Hillary apologize for a video that wasn’t even the cause of the embassy takeover and killings and Obama is mixing with the Hollyood pukes. He is out today saying- “The Romney you saw last night was not really him. Yeah right. Barry, you had your a*s handed to you and now you have to go after the man. I will bet he is from Chicago.
Yes Sarge. He owns a house in Chicago. Originally, I thought he was from somewhere in the South of Africa.
He’s originally from Hawaii.
You know what they say in Chicago don’t you. Never take a knife to a gunfight. Axelrod and his minions are re-assessing their strategy and from now on, it will be personal and ugly. Romney & Ryan had better be ready for it. The American People are going to get a real load of how bad Obama & Biden really are for the next weeks in this campaign. They have nothing to run on except to paint Romney & Ryan as the bad guys. We, the People will see this for what it is and dispatch them to retirement.
On Our Dime.
Yes, they will get their Pensions, Perks, gold plated Healthcare, not Obamacare and Secret Service protection. Perhaps the Secret Service duty will not be so bad if he retires all the way to Hawaii instead of the frozen tundra of Chicago in January.
This Global warming stuff is hitting Chicago. Only had to plow once last year. Its the frozen Tundra of Lambeau Field – Green Bay.
Agent, sorry about them Rangers. Was rally pulling for them. Demps deserves a chance at the big dance after rotting in baseball hell know as Cinn & the Cubs. Sotos got time.
Thanks FFA. They had a great year and the past two years and came within one out of winning it all last year. I am afraid they are out of pitching and their bats went silent the last 2 weeks. I look for them to bow out early in the playoffs. Josh Hamilton will be shopping his wares in the off season. The Yankees will probably buy him.
Cubs wont take him. He is too good. Maybe the Sox. They want to win.
I am not sure the White Sox have enough money to pay for this guy. He will command a tremendous amount to sign him. The Red Sox may jump into it since they didn’t have much luck this year. Whatever he gets will be too much. He is good, but why bankrupt a team to get one guy? I can’t imagine how many extra fans they will have to draw to offset the cost. What is amazing to me is how the A’s do it on a payroll that is about one third the average of teams in the major leagues. Did you see the movie – Moneyball? That is all about what the A’s General Manager has wheeled and dealed to put a team together. They also have a great manager and coaches and have developed their pitching. They lose them after a few years of success, but keep replacing them with others that can do the job. This is just what we need to do on the political scene. Replace the politicians who don’t do the job and hire the ones who can. It was pretty apparent last night who was Presidential and had command of the facts and could actually lead the country.
On a great note, My team made the playoffs and Miguel Cabrera won the Triple Crown!
I hope you get to go see a playoff game Sargent. Detroit is a very good team with a chance to go all the way. Good pitching with Verlander and others and timely hitting will go a long way.
My Fantasy QB surpassed Johnny U record. Both Class Acts in my book. Was great to see Joe U (johnnys Son) on hand.
What a great time to be live. Some of sports all time great play / played during my time on earth. Now, if the Cubs would just get their s&^% togeather, my sports life would come full circle.
Amd I got to see a Tripple Crown winner. Sounds like a Crown Royal night comeing up soon, real soon.
Detroit???? YICK. What the heck is going on with the Lions this year?
Congrats to Cabrera. Must tip my hat to the best of the best all around player in BB this year.
CT, I know how it feels in the cellar. I’ll have a coctail tonight and feel your pain where ever you are.
Go Rangers! Money is on Detroit – fewwer former Cubs.
Yes, I plan at least one game. Not sure about how deep we might go. We have been better the last two months especially at home but we have had some tough losses. We will see. We could use a couple of pitchers (doesn’t everyone) and our closer (great last year with 50 saves) has not done nearly as well. We will see. Go Tigers!
Well Sargent, I empathize with you today on the Tiger/A’s game. Oakland gets beat the whole game and figures out a way to beat you at the end. They were a major thorn in the side of the Rangers as well. I hope the Tiger’s figure out a way to win the series with Verlander going, but one cannot count the A’s out. They have a bunch of no name players making major league minimum salaries, but they are a team to reckon with. I was hoping the Orioles would put NY down, but they didn’t so that will go down to the wire as well. The playoffs do have a lot of drama, I must admit.
The Lions, Whew, the same old Lions. Great expectations and lousy results.
Well, my niece did not go to the OBama Rally at UW Madison. She was actually pissed as the ralley was being help outside the building where she was in class. She stated she is paying for an education. Had Obama been doing his thing when she was not in class, she probably would have went. But, she is paying for class, she wanted to be in class.
My sister, a very active Democrat in the campaign in Denver, sat right behind Obama on the dais when he spoke in Denver last week.
Cool. I have never even caught a foul ball even at the local Minor League facility much less Wriggley or Comisky. Never a brush with anyone famous. I saw Dan Hampton in a parade once. WO HOOOO! Ronnie WoWo at a Cubs game once. When the NFL Power House people were in town, Jerry Jones was at my local bar. I was out of town. Thats it.
And, buy the way, GO BEARS!!!
Why am I not surprised? It looks like a genetic thing in your family. I wonder if she passed out like you probably did when the Messiah went into brain lock during the debate. It must have been the altitude, right? Some of the answers he gave to questions were incoherent to the most intelligent analysts of political debate. He had everyone from both sides of the aisle scratching their heads to explain it.
I’ve already agreed with you on the debate, Agent. Don’t be a jerk about it.
Do you agree with any of Romney’s positions or are you still stuck with the failed Obama positions/policies of the past 4 years? I get the feeling that you know deep down that it hasn’t worked, but are too stubborn to admit it.
Romney impressed me, but I do not agree on his philosphy about life and therefore can not, in good conscience, vote for him. Sorry.
So Libby, how do you feel about the brand new Obamacare tax that went into effect Oct 1st? It will penalize hospitals if they re-admit a patient within 30 days of their discharge. This will certainly affect Medicare patients since many have serious illnesses, have setbacks and need hospitalization. Hospitals will start refusing re-admittance because they will be fined for doing so. Elderly patients will be relegated to nursing homes to die. And you claim there are no Death Panels. Is this not a form of Death Panels?
Instead of releasing them too early to make room for a higher paying patient, the hospital will have to make sure they are ready to be released before doing so. It’s IMPROVING the level of care, not the opposite.
And they will not refuse readmittance because then they’ll get sued. They will be forced to improve the level of care they currently provide to medicare patients.
And everyone knows nursing homes cost a whole heck of alot in the long run. No-one wants that. Let’s get them healthy, even if it means a few more days in the hospital, so they can go home and continue to live their lives.
Why are Republicans such doomsayers? Everything is doom and gloom with you people. Can’t you see a bright side to anything?
Why you ask? because I just “laid off” another full time worker. Put him straight commission. He is not going to make it. He will be filing for unemployment if he dont S%$#. Not getting better. Getting worse.
Usually when an athlete is in a contract year, he excells. OBommer is making things worse.
How can you afford to carry a producer that can’t validate? There is an interesting blog about commission splits, etc. that you might want to look at for some ideas. The link is:
http://www.insurancejournal.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3111
I cant afford a salary any more. Lost a hand full of accounts due to 2 deaths of the business owners, 2 that cant pay their bills any more, one cause the carrier pulled out and the other, some BORed away from me and one wiyh an extremly poor loss history. One claim accounted for 90% of ly losses last year. With out that claim, I doubt over all agency would have had a 20% loss ration.
If you can’t vote for Romney because you disagree with his philosophy on life, that is a pretty weak excuse. He is not going to overturn Roe v Wade anyway. What are you worried about? You should just stay home rather than vote for Obama. Polls show Romney picking up tremendous strength with women now. What war on women? Men & Women want a President who is strong on the economy, knows what it takes to create conditions favorable to create jobs and start healing the country from the abuses of the past 4 years. We can’t do what we have been doing over and over and expect a different result.
Calling it a weak excuse is insulting to me, Agent. I have my reasons and that should be enough for you. This is America, after all. Having a man tell me what women “want” is also insulting. Don’t presume to know me and my thoughts. I will vote for whoever I choose to vote for, as will you. Please be respectful of that.
Libby:
I had been trying not to respond to you put I will on the point to agent: He spoke about a trend, and more women are trending toward Romney at last. The trend away and war with women is a fallacy, and Agent is allowed to comment on that.
But more importantly: Don’t tell agent that just because you are a woman you can speak for all of them, and determine whether or not there is a war on women. That’s not within your ability unless you had at least researched what women get compared to men (which you have not) and then interviewed all women about what they believe they are being denied. (which you haven’t) Asking how women “feel” is not a relevant methodology. Of course they “feel” there is a war (the feminists). But then you have to find the validity, and what tangible actual item is being denied (again, methodology. Something you lack the ability to comprehend)
There is no war on women.
They receive more benefits, more medicare, maternity leave, a majority of the time they receive the child and the child care, (my boss is a business owner with a decent income. The judge gave custody of the child to his alcoholic wife and then awarded a huge sum of our business owner’s earnings to the wife. In the court hearing he was so mad he called the female judge a sexist bitch. He was audited 4 times over the next 5 years. The 4th finally apologized and said the owner here was the most honest man he had ever met, and admitted the audits were DUE TO THE JUDGE, a feminst)
There is more wrong happening right now to men then women. When you are pregnant you receive a free excuse from work. Men don’t get that. When you’re sick you now get care and screenings for your breast cancer as part of Obama Care. We don’t get prostate exams as part of the new bill.
You cost more to cover in insurance. Thanks to “woman’s” rights activists, you not only cost more, you have more laws attemp[ting to keep your premium equal to men’s. You consider that a good thing. Men cost less because they use less healthcare, and they die younger than you. And right now, you’re honestly arguing to get the same premiums, live longer, more treatment, more medicare, more pay (despite costing the workforce more) equal insurance premiums despite requiring more coverage, etc. You’re robbing men blind, you feminsts right now (not all women)
Don’t talk about a war against women when YOU don’t know the movement against men going on currently.
The average man works more a week than a woman.
The average woman takes time off or lowers hours and seeks jobs with more flexible schedules after they become a parent. The average male does not. This is a large reason behind pay inequality, and yet you want the benefits, the schedule, the ability to not move half way across the country, at equal pay to someone who does not get the beneftis, the schedule, and moves across the country.
It’s selfish. It’s whiny. And more importantly: You get more in society than men already. It’s not even a debate. So quit with the war against women.
Bob – I challenge you to show me where I have EVER said there is a war against women. I have not. YOU ARE WRONG.
Further, I never said I speak for all women. I said I found it insulting for a man to tell me what women want. PERIOD.
I don’t tell you what men want. And I never said anything about who benefits more from society. That’s your constant theme, not mine.
So go away and continue to leave me alone. I liked it that way.
And a “free excuse to get off work” after having a baby? Are you for real?
Argue all you want; you are a sexist pig.
Libby:
@^^@ you. You said specifically many times that men were trying to hold you down in fifty different ways, whether through abortion, pay inequality, (which we have debated on) or other facets. You ARE a feminst. Do you deny it? You DO believe there is a war on women. Do you deny it? Your excuse to CT agent was something to the extent of “well not a war, but everyone knows women have had to fight more for equal rights”. Which is NOT true. Women have fought differently than men, but throughout our American history they have received more.
Further; “Having a man tell me what women “want” is also insulting.” He wasn’t telling you what women want. That was the point. He was quoting a trend. You #@%$@#ing moron. So you don’t get to say that because you are a woman you get to say that “trend” is not what women want, and what you want is. Got it you dumb @%#?
Learn some %@%@ing dignity and ettiquete, logic, and @$^ing drop the vendictive crap. I’m sick of it, you dishonest, polarized, jack @$$. Your attacks are old. You are a lefty polarized moron who only believe whatever the @@@# democrats tell you. Not a debate on that one.
I’ve quoted things I agree with you on, (gun control) I’ve quoted things I agree with Obama on (mandated 401k contributions) I’ve quoted what would make me vote for Obama (him admitted him and Clinton caused the housing bubble, mainly after Obama triggered CRA regulations for “red lining” against low income borrowers and then pursued triggering the laws which forced companies to give loans with “little to no” income documentation as part of their reviews. If he admitted that, then I would trust him to fix it, and I’d vote for him, regardless of stupid abortion laws which I don’t give a @$%@ about. Your emotional tar is absurd. Your logics are absurd. Your insults are absurd. Your inconsistency and lies about what you yourself believe are absurd. YOU ARE a feminist, YOU DO believe there is a war on women, so don’t you dare tell me that I’m wrong on that and insult me for saying it.
Yes, I am a feminist, but there is no more a war on women than a war on men, you turd.
And I am entitled to be insulted by whatever insults me, which includes YOU.
You’re the pathetic loser that always has to get the last jab in and one-up everyone. I’m sure all your “employees” despise you and laugh behind your back.
So go f*&k YOURSELF.
So, agent, real life example. My dad had a very long drawn out procedure begining of June at Loyola. After 6 days, they send him to a rehab facility (inpatient) per Medicare guidlines. He wakes up the next morning with a terrible head ach. The rehab pumps him full of Morphine to make him comfortable and send him back to Loyola. Turns out they nicked his spinal chord which was a known risk of the procedure. Spinal fluid was leaking into his brain. Would this qualify for the fine? If so, sounds like medicare is going to need to adjust for the out of the ordinary.
This is by no means any type of slam on Loyola. They did a great job with him. The procedure was high risk to begin with. He has one of the top neuro surgeons in the country doing the procedure. I feel that any other Hospital, he stood a very high chance of dying on the table during the procedure.
I do think the surgery did not acomplish what it set out to do as he is now at least 90% totally dependant on others for DLA. They say he would be confined to a home by now if it had not happened. It may have bought him about 8 months of very limited mobility.
You should blame Loyola. If this was a known risk of the surgery, why was he released before they checked for a nick? At the very first sign of a headache, someone should have known immediately what it was given the circumstances.
So is he better off after the surgery or not?
I do not blame Loyola. I do not blame anyone for that matter. Loyola was the only one willing to attempt the procedure. Everyone knew the risk including my dad. He did not experience any head ach until he was transported. Medicare said send him out so they did per their guidlines. Was a very slow leak that did not surface imediatly.
As of today, he can still move his arms & legs. He can still stand for a minute or so. Without the surgery he would be paralized now. Doct are predicting by year end he will be paralized. So, it bought him about 4-6 months of limited mobility. Is he better off? He thinks so. Is my mom? Absolutly not. Begining stages of Alheizmers. Needs assistance herself. She is curently taking care of his DLA but is at a point where her disease is progressing.
Better off? Depends on your defination of better off. Depends on what day of the week it is. Depends on what my brother is up to. He been emebzelling large sums of money since Jan 09 on a regular basis. There will only be an estate to bankrupt further sticking joe tax payer with a large bill. Would have been better off tossing his ass on the streets. I see this and look at my daughter and wonder…
I’ve been told my life would be better suited for reality TV then the Kardashians. Last 24 months been nothing but one pile of s#$@ after another.
I’m sorry about your parents. You said yesterday your daughter is in school. Will it help her to find a job?
My niece is in school. I funded college for my daughter. She blew it off when she got pregnant the second time and has been dead on her ass since. My daughter is the one with the mind set – “Why get a job when I get more on Unemployment?”
Dont know what to do to get her to find a job aside from getting her kicked off the free ride system. OMama wont do that.
Any suggestions?
Well, when her unemployment runs out she’ll have to find a job. Does she at least pay you rent? Momma isn’t doing her little girl any favors by allowing her to be irresponsible.
Not a penny. I am the sole supporter of 7 people.
My wife just called. She finally called the CDC. They stated she would be dead alread. She is probably just getting a cold.
Her suit will not be frivilous. We have already incurred 5 -6K in med bills not including the shot as a result. Serious financial pinch going on right now.
No, it won’t be frivolous. She deserves it. Make it a whopper. And tell your wife that if she won’t let you kick her our then your daughter needs to pay rent. Even if it’s $50 a month, she should be paying something. That’s called being responsible and it’s a valuable lesson for parents to teach their children.
One would think they would have cut her off already.
But, single mom with three kids and two dead beat dads involved.
So, you tell me – WHY????
Well, if it’s unemployment, she’s entitled to it if she lost her job through no fault of her own. I was on unemployment for a while and I did not even consider a job making less than I made on unemployment. Why would I do that?
Now, if she’s on welfare, that’s a different story. An able-bodied college-educated person should be able to find some kind of work. And she should be getting food stamps to help out with feeding the 4 extra mouths she’s brought into your household.
I know she gets food stamps. I do not know where her income source is coming if it is even coming any more. I know she gets a total of $50.00 a month from both dead beats because they keep working cash jobs and this state sucks for Child Support issues.
She has parked her car for the past three weeks so I do believe she lost some revenue source. Either that or some driving issues with her license came up. My wife is now running to the docts with the Gr Kids. Not like my car can afford the extra miles either.
She is not college educated. She got pregnant and dropped out. Stuck me with part of the tuition.
Just to further my pitty party, my wife had one of the epidural shots on 9/28 – days before that story hit the news. The local news showed the very door to the clinic she walkd through to get the shot. Now, as of today after several attemts to get hold of them folks, she finally get a recording that says they are not taking phone calls.
She is undergoing this treatment because some yahoo stock boy at the local grocery store slammed into her with a fully loaded produce cart. Pinned her between the cart and the display. Thats just my last 6 weeks.
I know you believe in tort reform, but you should get a settlement from the grocery store. That is what she deserves.
Wow FFA, if you didn’t have bad luck, you wouldn’t have any luck at all. As bad as I hate lawyers, I think I would have to consult with one against the grocery store. They may be eager to arrange a settlement rather than go to a jury trial. If they fought it and lost, it would be double the amount. Jurors will side with the injured plaintiff almost always.
Try a settlement on your own. No need to pay an attorney 30-40% when you can just as easily do it on your own. If you don’t get anywhere alone, then consult an attorney. I’d ask for at least 3 times the damages to cover pain and suffering.
Well agent, I am a Cub Fan.
On the upside, I took high score for the first 5 weeks of my fantasy football league. Got a pay out!
Libby, the Medicare system has been broke for a long time. They have shuttled elderly patients between the hospital and nursing homes for years. I went through this with my mother in law when she was in her last months. The hospitalist would come in and say they had improved her to a point, but Medicare would not continue to pay and she had to go to the nursing home. After 3 times back and forth, she was sent to the nursing home to die which is exactly what happened. Now, Obamacare will eliminate that step and more and more will die in the nursing homes without proper care because the hospitals will not re-admit due to the new tax/sanctions imposed on them. This is Death Panels whether you like it or not. Give them a pain pill and let them slip away.
That’s not how it will work Agent.
Why did I think you would reply just as you did? Total denial of the facts. I pointed out the real life situation, gave you the info on the new tax and how it will affect hospitals and you say that is not how it will work.
Here are some more facts for you. A professor of economics was being interviewed by Megyn Kelley on Fox today. He has been predicting the outcome of Presidential Elections since 1980 on an economic model and has been accurate 100% of the time. He has analyzed the economic conditions in all 50 states and predicts Romney will win. People will vote their pocketbooks and no incumbent can win if they haven’t got a successful track record on the economy. Obama ignored the economy for 18 months trying to push this Healthcare. That is a huge mistake and Romney is wise to continue to attack his record which is abysmal. Enough is enough. Time to let him go.
Well, if Romney is elected then I am still right. It won’t happen like that because Obamacare will get repealed, right? Either way, there is no-one in this country, including Obama, that wants old people to slink off and die. That’s just ridiculous.
You are right about that Libby. When Obamacare is repealed after Romney is elected, gone will be the Independent Payment Advisory Board with bureaucrats making the life and death decisions on seniors. It will take a lot of unwinding of all the boards, commissions, bureaucracy allotted in this bill and HHS has been working non stop to do the implementation. I would like to see a lot of pink slips being handed out to Federal Employees who are no longer necessary. Let them find work in the private sector if they can.
There you go again, Agent. In 2009, “death panel” was named as PolitiFact’s “Lie of the Year”, one of FactCheck’s “whoppers”, and the most outrageous term by the American Dialect Society.
Making decisions about individual care is expressly forbidden by the Independent Payment Advisory Board.
Well, I miss understood my wife yesterday. She talked to the receptionist at her PCP that told her not to worry.
Saw on the National CBS news that this could take up to 42 days to fester. Called CDC and they told her to call back i the morning.
Called my niece that works the 800 bad drugs hot line. Nothing in on this stuff yet. Get the med records as to who manufactured the shot. The clinic that gave he the shot has a generic message on their VM statinh they are not taking calls. HMMMMM.
Meanwhile, symptom persist – sore neck, head ach, weak in the lower body.
Here’s a link to information on spinal meningitis…
http://www.ehow.com/about_5295872_spinal-meningitis-adults.html
Thanks. She is presenting three of the symptoms. No reported cases in IL so far. But the clinic with their generic message that they are not taking any calls at this time is very concerning. All we want to know is the manufacturer of the shot. Then we set the plan of attack from there. Hate to put her through a spinal tap.
Found this:
Food and Drug Administration officials identified the manufacturer as New England Compounding Center (NECC), which conducted a voluntary recall of three lots of methylprednisolone acetate 80mg/mlinjection produced at NECC. The lot numbers are #05212012@68, #06292012@26 and #08102012@51.
They are a firm out of Massachusetts.
Thanks. I had that info.
She contacted CDC not long ago. All of a sudden, the clinic is calling her. Keep you posted on what they say soon as she gets back to me as she was on the hard wire phone with them when I called.
One of my friends posted this on Face Book. Can anyone answer the ??
What does this word mean?
The word ‘Dhimmitude” is found in the new health care bill;
so what does it mean?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmitude
Here’s a better one.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/exemptions.asp
FFA, From what I have read about Dhimmitude, in layman’s terms, it means Muslims are not required to comply with Obamacare. Kind of a blanket waiver.
Agent, I don’t think it has been decided yet. But check out the link above for more info on it.
Thanks.
Again, from Face Book –
On Monday, June 25th 2012, the following occurred:
The Supreme Court unanimously – yes, UNANIMOUSLY – upheld the portion of Arizona’s Immigration Law that directs law enforcement officers to check the immigration status of EVERYONE who is ARRESTED for a crime. It not just “ALLOWS” them to check, but “DIRECTS” them to check. That means it’s mandatory.
Less than three hours later, the President of the United States issued an executive order BLOCKING THE ENTIRE STATE OF ARIZONA’S ACCESS to the the Federal Database that would allow such checks. The only State or Local entity EVER to be blocked.
Fact Checkers, have at it. Is this true?
Not sure about this FFA, but would you be surprised if the President blocked Arizona? He and Jan Brewer have had a running battle about immigration enforcement for a while now. The Feds don’t want to enforce and they don’t want Arizona to do it either and sued them through our wonderful DOJ Holder. This administration is the worst in our history. They lie about Libya which resulted in 4 deaths including our Ambassador and then turn around and say they didn’t lie. They are all on tape from the President to Hilary to the UN Ambassador Rice blaming the video for almost two weeks. This is criminal and should be prosecuted.
Come on, Agent. I agree it’s chicken-shit, but criminal??? What about WMD’s? Should Bush be prosecuted for that?
Perhaps you don’t remember Libby that every intelligence service in the world thought Saddam had WMD’s, not just Bush. In fact, Saddam had already gassed his own people (Kurds) and the Iranians when he was at war with them. For a very long time, he wouldn’t let the UN inspectors in to look at facilities. We actually gave him enough time to squirrel the WMD’s away (probably to Syria) who now claims to have WMD’s and will use them if they are invaded. I do think it is criminal that a government who had the correct information and numerous requests for help on security and then chose to lie about it should be prosecuted. They didn’t want the public to see how failed their policies are in the Middle East and still won’t admit it was a Terrorist plot. Liberals need to wake up and smell the coffee about Islamic Terrorism. It is not a peaceful religion and they mean to kill all infidels.
I’m completely aware of the threat of Islamic terrorists. No coffee is needed, Agent. And I agree there was a cover-up of some sort and it stinks to high heaven. I stop short of prosecution, though. There was nothing criminal or intentional at foot. At best is ineptness, which is not proscutible. If it was, there would be no politicians left to run the country into the ground.
Yet another embassy employee was murdered in Yemen today on the eve of the anniversary of the USS Cole bombing. It will be interesting to see how this administration spins this incident. Perhaps they will say it is workplace violence like they did when Major Hassan murdered all those innocent victims at Ft. Hood while yelling Allah Akbar at the top of his lungs. When an administration cannot bring themselves to lay blame on Islamic Terrorism, it will continue to happen. I wonder whey they are sending troops to Jordan. We haven’t had any trouble there yet. If we are going to send some troops over, send them where the trouble is.
Different Lot Number so says the clinic. Sounds like she is just catching the flu bug. One thing off my plate.
I hope everything turns out well for your family FFA.
Me, too, FFA.
FFA – this was on Claims Journal today:
The pharmaceutical companies at the center of the deadly meningitis outbreak have disclosed they hired a lawyer from a top white-collar criminal-defense firm in Boston.
New England Compounding Center, Ameridose LLC and Alaunus Pharmaceutical LLC hired Paul Cirel, a partner at Collora LLP, which is known for its high-profile criminal defense work. Cirel is experienced in defending clients against healthcare fraud claims and criminal charges.
Watching the VP Debate last night confirmed to everyone how bad the Obama/Biden ticket is. Biden interrupted Ryan 82 times when he was trying to answer the question. He was rude, arrogant, bombastic,self serving, condescending and wrong on the issues. I have to admire Ryan for not sinking to Biden’s level. Our wonderful moderator Raddich also tried to gang up on Ryan with Biden and neither wanted an answer on the issue, just to make their own point. This is going to be another moment like Al Gore’s sighing that hurt him in the debates only Biden’s mugging, grinning and laughing while Ryan was speaking made that look minor by comparison. This was not a game changer debate, but it pointed out to a lot of people who we have in office right now and how badly served the country is with the current leadership.
Well, national consensus is it’s a tie and the VP debate doesn’t really matter. I tend to agree.
Although, I liked the tweet about Biden being your favorite uncle and pulling quarters out of your ears. That was funny. Along with: Hello, 911, there’s an old man beating a child on my TV. -Bill Maher.
If everyone had an uncle like Joe, he would be the black sheep uncle that no one wanted to be around. Joe clearly thought he had to make up for the disastrous debate of his boss so he went way overboard with his bluster, rudeness and arrogant behavior. Martha Raddatz was complicit for not admonishing Biden to stop interrupting and keep the tone civil. I can’t think of one answer Ryan was giving that Biden didn’t try to cut off and Raddatz did the other cutting off before the answer was complete. Then, Biden claimed he wasn’t given equal time and the scorecard revealed he got more air time. What a joke he was. People don’t like that and it will not help their cause any.