I, in no way, want to try and take away your belief, Barb. You are certainly entitled to it.
I believe marriage is between 2 consenting adults. And, if marriage equality is not enacted, ugly discrimination wins again. Of course they should be taxed as heterosexual couples are. They should also receive all the benefits married heterosexual couples do as well.
News flash – hetero people can get AIDS, too. Oh, and so can an innocent kid needing a blood transfusion. You can’t honestly believe AIDS is a “gay disease”, can you? That had to be an April Fool’s joke!
Planet, you are a piece of work. Where did AIDS come from? It is a disease that started with queers indulging in their disgusting lifestyle. No innocent got it from breathing in clean air, they get it as a result of some kind of contamination from homosexuals (I refuse to call them gays). when I grew up people that lived like that were referred to as queer because it is indeed a peculiar life style. NO, I am not a member of that equally disgusting westboro group of people (will not call them a church either).
So Perplexed, did you see the story about Bradley Manning, the Wikileaks soldier just sentenced to 35 years? He said he wanted to live the rest of his life as a woman. I hope they put him in a cell with Tryone and he will learn the new meaning of wife.
March 29, 2013 at 2:15 pm
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Traditionally tax code changes were for the benefit of society as a whole and not for social purposes. The original intent was that government recognized a spouse who sacrificed career, income and/or education for the family (child rearing) and therefore should not be penalized when it comes to daily living expenses, retirement, disability, pre-mature death of the spouse. Marriage tax credits were given in recognition that the traditional family contributed to the well being of society in general. You could make the argument that DOMA also discriminates against single same sex “roommates” that live together solely to share expenses – no real social purpose in the relationship by itself, so why shouldn’t they get the same benefits demanded by same sex marriage couples. Perhaps it is time the government stopped using “marriage” as a measure for legal status for benefits and rewrote tax and benefit laws to preserve the original intent – giving financial benefit to those whose relationships (whether heterosexuals, homosexuals, roommates) benefit society in the amount determined through this country’s democratic process. “Marriage” is an emotional word that belongs to the religious world and not to government.
Since marriage is a function of the religious right and the scream is to separate church and state, then remove the benefits provided by government to the married. I’m married and would not like the additional taxes. However marriage is set with strict requirements by God. It is not the government’s place to change those.
I bet they do paper/rock/scissors to see who oversees the marriage. I guess they could flip a coin. Or, maybe they arm wrestle. Or, they could have a jump ball, draw straws, or one-God sack races around a neutral universe.
August 22, 2013 at 11:33 am
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jw, here is a good insurance question for you. Can an atheist file a claim for “Acts of God”? You have to think about that one for a while.
Heard somnething last night that I totally agree with. The best solution to all is to have the government get totally out of the marriage business. No more need to go to city hall to get a marriage license. Just go to whatever religious or social organization you wish to have the kind of ceremony you want, draw up whatever civil contract you want or don’t want and no longer have the government give incentives or disincentives to be married or not married. No marriage penalty or tax break or a single penalty or tax break. Everybody whhether they be single or not is treated the same way. And whatever rights you want your survivors to have or not to have be written into YOUR civil contract including end of life rights and who decides what, your immediate family or your life partner whether they be same sex or opposite sex. Treat everybody as individuals no special rights or restrictions on anybody.
jw, Congress and this administration doesn’t seem to have a problem with massive undertakings. I refer you to Obamacare which was 2,700 pages with 15,000 pages of regulations. Is that massive enough to suit you?
The issue with this country isn’t the tax laws or the requirements of marriage under any specific law. The issue is we have turned so far away from Jesus Christ we aren’t likely to find our way back. Political Correctness was the ploy used to destroy the Biblical values we once lived by. Do you really believe it ends with gay marriage? No. When you stand behind gay marriage, you are standing behind not only what the Bible says is wrong, but you are arguing with Christ himself and saying HE is wrong.
Next thing you know, they’ll be tarnishing the memory of the Resurrection with magical bunnies and colored eggs. They’ll tarnish the birth of Christ by decorating pine trees like the pagans did. Doing these things is certainly arguing against Christ in order to appease the political correctness espoused by those egg-hiding, tree-decorating pagans. (Those actually are pagan traditions, along with Halloween.)
uct,
Christ never said anything about gays or gay marriage. Also, this country was built on religious freedom, not Christianity. Some don’t believe in Jesus Christ or your version of God. And, that is perfectly okay in this fantastic country we live in. If you want to live in a land ruled by Christian law, you’ll need to move. Equal rights means equal rights. Your church, however, doesn’t have to marry anyone they don’t want to. And, you don’t have to get gay married or even agree with it. You just have to live with it.
What ever happened to the separation between church and state? So Obamacare states that a church must provide contraceptives and they bark that the government can’t dictate to the church due to separation. Now, when we discuss inequality/discrimination the church(s) howls that we can’t have a law outlining thh difference bewteen 2 consenting adults versus a man and a woman based on religion! The government should define between consenting adults and the church, under their rights, does not have to marry them. You still get your religious beliefs protected within your religion, but there is equality for all. Isn’t that what American values are suppose to be about?
I believe marriage is between a man and a woman, but if it becomes legal for anyone to marry anyone, they should all be treat the same. Taxed and all.
I, in no way, want to try and take away your belief, Barb. You are certainly entitled to it.
I believe marriage is between 2 consenting adults. And, if marriage equality is not enacted, ugly discrimination wins again. Of course they should be taxed as heterosexual couples are. They should also receive all the benefits married heterosexual couples do as well.
Including AIDS treatment for a lifestyle choice Planet? All of the diseases that emanate from homosexual relationships?
News flash – hetero people can get AIDS, too. Oh, and so can an innocent kid needing a blood transfusion. You can’t honestly believe AIDS is a “gay disease”, can you? That had to be an April Fool’s joke!
Agent,
It sounds as though you may be a member of The Westboro Baptist Church.
Planet, you are a piece of work. Where did AIDS come from? It is a disease that started with queers indulging in their disgusting lifestyle. No innocent got it from breathing in clean air, they get it as a result of some kind of contamination from homosexuals (I refuse to call them gays). when I grew up people that lived like that were referred to as queer because it is indeed a peculiar life style. NO, I am not a member of that equally disgusting westboro group of people (will not call them a church either).
So Perplexed, did you see the story about Bradley Manning, the Wikileaks soldier just sentenced to 35 years? He said he wanted to live the rest of his life as a woman. I hope they put him in a cell with Tryone and he will learn the new meaning of wife.
Traditionally tax code changes were for the benefit of society as a whole and not for social purposes. The original intent was that government recognized a spouse who sacrificed career, income and/or education for the family (child rearing) and therefore should not be penalized when it comes to daily living expenses, retirement, disability, pre-mature death of the spouse. Marriage tax credits were given in recognition that the traditional family contributed to the well being of society in general. You could make the argument that DOMA also discriminates against single same sex “roommates” that live together solely to share expenses – no real social purpose in the relationship by itself, so why shouldn’t they get the same benefits demanded by same sex marriage couples. Perhaps it is time the government stopped using “marriage” as a measure for legal status for benefits and rewrote tax and benefit laws to preserve the original intent – giving financial benefit to those whose relationships (whether heterosexuals, homosexuals, roommates) benefit society in the amount determined through this country’s democratic process. “Marriage” is an emotional word that belongs to the religious world and not to government.
Since marriage is a function of the religious right and the scream is to separate church and state, then remove the benefits provided by government to the married. I’m married and would not like the additional taxes. However marriage is set with strict requirements by God. It is not the government’s place to change those.
I’m confused. If non-religious people can get married (for example two atheists), how is marriage “set with strict requirements by God”?
Which god is in charge when a Jewish person marries a Christian or a Buddhist marries a Catholic? I am confused, too.
I bet they do paper/rock/scissors to see who oversees the marriage. I guess they could flip a coin. Or, maybe they arm wrestle. Or, they could have a jump ball, draw straws, or one-God sack races around a neutral universe.
jw, here is a good insurance question for you. Can an atheist file a claim for “Acts of God”? You have to think about that one for a while.
Which god? Re, Dionysus, Krishna, Brahman (not technically a god, I know), Allah, Yahweh, The Flying Spaghetti Monster, Jehovah, the Tao, or yours?
That whole “Flying Spaghetti Monster” thing is utter nonsense. Everyone with a brain knows he’s made of lasagne.
ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!
Heard somnething last night that I totally agree with. The best solution to all is to have the government get totally out of the marriage business. No more need to go to city hall to get a marriage license. Just go to whatever religious or social organization you wish to have the kind of ceremony you want, draw up whatever civil contract you want or don’t want and no longer have the government give incentives or disincentives to be married or not married. No marriage penalty or tax break or a single penalty or tax break. Everybody whhether they be single or not is treated the same way. And whatever rights you want your survivors to have or not to have be written into YOUR civil contract including end of life rights and who decides what, your immediate family or your life partner whether they be same sex or opposite sex. Treat everybody as individuals no special rights or restrictions on anybody.
It would be a massive undertaking for congress to change all those laws. Right or wrong, I don’t see it happening.
jw, Congress and this administration doesn’t seem to have a problem with massive undertakings. I refer you to Obamacare which was 2,700 pages with 15,000 pages of regulations. Is that massive enough to suit you?
The issue with this country isn’t the tax laws or the requirements of marriage under any specific law. The issue is we have turned so far away from Jesus Christ we aren’t likely to find our way back. Political Correctness was the ploy used to destroy the Biblical values we once lived by. Do you really believe it ends with gay marriage? No. When you stand behind gay marriage, you are standing behind not only what the Bible says is wrong, but you are arguing with Christ himself and saying HE is wrong.
Next thing you know, they’ll be tarnishing the memory of the Resurrection with magical bunnies and colored eggs. They’ll tarnish the birth of Christ by decorating pine trees like the pagans did. Doing these things is certainly arguing against Christ in order to appease the political correctness espoused by those egg-hiding, tree-decorating pagans. (Those actually are pagan traditions, along with Halloween.)
So how many wives, exactly, did Jesus have? Yes indeedy, he sets a shining example of God’s directive for marital bliss. Hmmm.
uct,
Christ never said anything about gays or gay marriage. Also, this country was built on religious freedom, not Christianity. Some don’t believe in Jesus Christ or your version of God. And, that is perfectly okay in this fantastic country we live in. If you want to live in a land ruled by Christian law, you’ll need to move. Equal rights means equal rights. Your church, however, doesn’t have to marry anyone they don’t want to. And, you don’t have to get gay married or even agree with it. You just have to live with it.
What ever happened to the separation between church and state? So Obamacare states that a church must provide contraceptives and they bark that the government can’t dictate to the church due to separation. Now, when we discuss inequality/discrimination the church(s) howls that we can’t have a law outlining thh difference bewteen 2 consenting adults versus a man and a woman based on religion! The government should define between consenting adults and the church, under their rights, does not have to marry them. You still get your religious beliefs protected within your religion, but there is equality for all. Isn’t that what American values are suppose to be about?