So Senator Baucus thinks the American People needs to get more education on the merits of Obamacare. I guess Sebelius was listening since she awarded a public relations firm a $14 million contract to run ads to brainwash the people that Obamacare is really a great idea. If you like your plan, you can keep it, right? Meanwhile, we see one example after another of making the Sequester as painful as possible.
Senator Baucus is now surprised to see that more education of the public is now needed. This bill which, no one read, will now call for more taxes on not only the filthy rich but also the average tax payer. What a great scam that has been pulled on the American public. We need to live within our means, but not congress.
It is well known that the unions helped push this bill and thought they would benefit from it. Later, they seemed to see the handwriting on the wall and many asked for a Waiver from it. The latest union is the Roofers Union which is asking for an outright repeal of the law. 22,000 members so they are a good sized union. They have found out the increased costs to insure members will not allow them to compete for jobs against smaller non union roofers who do not have to get coverage. A 2,700 page bill with 12,000 pages of regulations. What could possibly go wrong?
Hey Lawman, do you remember the push Obama made when he was trying to get this law passed? He made at least 34 major speeches with the same theme of “If you like your plan, you can keep it” among all the other promises made. The reality is that we can’t keep the plan we like because employers cannot afford it and they will do everything they can to stay in business including laying off employees or reducing hours or just cancelling the coverage and paying the taxes, yes they are taxes, not fines. If they give employees a raise to buy their own, that won’t be enough to buy a policy for themselves and family since it is estimated to be $20,000 for a family of 5 by 2015. So much for the Affordable Care Act. Also, insurers will be required to pay $5.50 per covered person on Groups to the Federal Government. Guess what, that will be passed on to the Employer in rate increase.
The way that a market works (absent intervention) is that the prices of goods and services fall as the quality and technology improves. As this happens more and more people are able to purchase the good or service and the quality of life improves. The seller is directly accountable to the buyer. The ultra rich used to carry suitcase sized cellphones, now we all own units beyond their wildest dreams. This is true of any market and improves the quality of life for all people over time and with the best allocation of scarce resources. Intervention drastically changes the process and renders the buyer powerless while raising prices, creating shortages, and lowering quality for everyone. It’s simple economics yet in certain markets people become completely confused as to the mechanics and now we will all suffer.
Anytime you have government get involved in the market, you are going to have serious problems. Nancy said she had to pass it so we could see what was in it. She said she would pole vault over the wall to get it passed. Guess what Nancy. You passed the biggest travesty ever conceived by the US Congress on the American People. That is why it should be repealed entirely or defunded. I predict this law will continue to implode and collapse due to its own weight.
AARP wrapped their arms around ObamaCare and reaped billions of dollars for doing so. Those of you over 50: You can go to AMAC for senior benefits, discounts which are similar and in most cases better than “their” program.
Reader, AARP asked for and received a Waiver from Obamacare when they realized their costs were going to escalate. I receive a regular solicitation from them with pre-printed cards if I will only sign up. They are promptly cut up and discarded in the trash.
A few years back I had an AARP membership. I signed up as soon as I was eligible. Then came the healthcare fiasco and I disagreed with everything AARP was doing. I did not renew my membership. I was bombarded with solicitations from AARP. I sent each back in their prepaid envelope with a short note on it saying I do not agree with your stance on healthcare, do not contact me again. After about 10 of those postage paid envelopes going back to them, they quit contacting me.
I have heard some say they put something heavy in the envelope and their pre-paid postage is a lot more. They then get the message. I will say one thing, they are persistent.
Max Baucus: Don’t soil your knuckles on the man, as the Irish say. He is not worth it. Anyone who votes against background checks on the mentally ill before they buy guns is a waste of time himself.
I would agree with background checks except that with the democrats and Obama administration nothing can be taken at face value. In my mind, this is just a first step toward stripping 2nd Amendment rights. Secondly, it seems that background checks would not have prevented the CO and CT tragedies since neither nutjob had a psych record. If someone would just tell the unvarnished truth once maybe we could get somewhere with sane legislation.
Why would anyone not want to sign up for affordable heathcare, especially when they had already signed up before and was rejected or couldn’t afford the cost?
I believe the stats are underestimating the mass numbers of healthy people that are going to sign up, just because they can, adding desperately needed premium to a system that has been broken for a long, long, long time.
Rebecca, please wake up and smell the coffee. There is nothing affordable about the Affordable Care Act. Projections are a 32% increase in premiums in the first year. The healthy young are not going to sign up for this and they will just pay the tax until they get sick and then run to the exchange to get coverage since they can’t be turned down. How do you think it will be affordable and for whom? A 2,700 page monster that legal scholars can’t understand and 12,000 pages of regulations so far. Government solutions are never cost effective.
Rebecca, What makes you think this is now “Affordable” healthcare? Simply the name? By your comment, you seem to think that people will be singing up in droves, however, if they could not afford health insurance before, they are still not going to be able to aford it, even with the tax breaks SOME will get. The overall premiums are going to be far higher that what they were a year ago, or two years ago. All those wonderful freebies in the law have to be paid for somehow. Free is never truly free, someone pays. How exactly is this going to induce large numbers to flock to agents and sign up?
Hey Tx, What Rebecca does not understand is too much to put in one of these posts. The basic premise is to redistribute wealth from citizens by taxation in order to give free healthcare to the less fortunate. It is the biggest job killer ever visited upon the American People since employers are laying off employees or cutting their hours to below 30 to keep from having to comply. Insurance companies will be sending these “taxes” to Sebelius for every covered employee under existing groups. The result is yet another rate increase so private business is likely to scale their plans back or drop them altogether and pay the tax. What a scam.
Sorry, but would anyone actually expect that the administration would tell the truth about the law rather than the story they want us to believe? Besides, they’d first have to read the law and if voting on it isn’t a good enough reason to read it why would informing the American public be better?
They lied about it from the start of the push to passage and signing it into law. Many Americans swallowed it hook, line and sinker. Some have awakened and realize it was one big mistake, but others still think it will work out. More education about a liberal trash bill will not make it smell any better. More evidence is coming out each week about how bad this bill is and how it is imploding in front of our eyes.
Do we need more evidence? How about the Congressional Democrats who voted this monstrocity in without reading it now seeing if they can get their staff exempted from it? Apparently, they have read enough to know that healthcare costs under Obamacare will escalate for their aides so they want to get them out of it. It is fine for the citizens to bear the costs, but the ruling elite need to be taken out.
Try being unemployed without corporate subsidized health insurance and see how you like it. If your employer is paying most of your health insurance premiums, you don’t know how lucky you are. Moreover, that large subsidy is INCOME TAX FREE !!! Sounds like a form of welfare to me. Welfare for the employed. Go figure. If you insurance types believe in the “law of large numbers”, which I know you do, then a national health insurance program is obviously the way to go.
I have read and read and read the healthcare reform act. I have read and read and read the updates received directly for the insurers. So far, it sounds like health care will be affordable and the only people getting taxed are the rich (top 7%)with and an excise tax and the insurers. And guess what I have a private plan that doesn’t pay diddlely squat and I spend top dollar, so the public option won’t have much to compete with. And as far as the Doctors not accepting the public option. They don’t have enough business to make ends meat (according to them) at present and the service or expertise hasn’t been anything to brag about, so anything else will be an improvement.
And as for the lame argument that young people won’t sign up for health care. YOU ARE SO WRONG and if they can’t afford it will get if free.
Remember the rich only got rich from exploiting the working poor or by medicare fraud. Otherwise, they wouldn’t be rich.
Rebecca…”the rich only got rich from exploiting the working poor or by medicare fraud”? You don’t know any wealthy people that actually worked to earn their wealth? Who do you work for? A poor person that doesn’t work for a living? Your comment is ridiculous.
Rebecca, I am really sure you have read all 2,700 pages of this bill. Legal scholars can’t get through it. How does a 32% increase in healthcare premiums strike you as published by actuaries who have analyzed the new costs? You say you have a private plan that doesn’t pay squat. Guess what you will get on the exchanges! Can you say a Medicaid style policy? Personally, I don’t think you can handle the 15 page app that is coming out. Maybe you can find one of those Navigators at Wal Mart to help you fill it out. I think you would be happier in a Communist country like Cuba and then you can have some of that free healthcare. Of course, you may be working in the sugar cane fields or a cigar factory for $100 a week. I am really sure Bill Gates exploited all those poor Microsoft employees to gain his fortune.
We wouldn’t need a mandate if a law was passed making it illegal to sell insurance at a profit. Pooling money and holding in a reserve, to pay only claims and less then 10% administrative cost. This is what insurance was supposed to do. In all lines.
Insurance was made corrupt by the money leaving the pool for profit, leaving less money or no money to pay claims.
Most insurance companies are owned by the same entity or person. I would support an investigation into the actual owners and their true motive in diversifying the companies (splitting up the pools).
It is not for profit alone.
I see most companies as bureaucracies. Acting in the best interest of their shareholders and not the policy holder.
Insurance is woven into our economy. If it collapses our economy unravels.
It is obvious that you don’t understand business. Do you work for a company? Do you know where your salary comes from? Business owners cannot employ people and pay them benefits without making a profit. I have to make payroll every two weeks, pay all the other overhead expenses and I cannot do it unless I write insurance and receive commissions to make a profit. You need a class in Econ 101. I do agree with you on one thing. Without insurance, our economy collapses since it is a contract and provides security against the unforeseen events.
What? No comment on how selling health insurance at a profit should be illegal?
Again the rich only get rich if poor people are working.
You would be happy in Cuba, where the rich will stay rich and the poor will stay poor.
If you have your way here this is how it will stay here.
I spend too much on a private plan, that doesn’t cover squat and if I’m going to pay more (doubtful) at least I will have more coverage.
The exchanges are offered by the same companies that offer the private plans. They simply have to offer better coverage at a better price.
And medicare, with no cuts to benefits. Just forcing doctors and hospitals not to be so greedy.
I personally would be happy to spend 30% more, so that I don’t have to watch a single mother, with a family of 3 not have to be denied pain medication, as she waits to die at the hospital. All because she couldn’t qualify for Medicaid and she couldn’t qualify for health insurance.
Senator Baucus, the vast majority of us see a huge train wreck.
And the train hasn’t even left the station. Can you spell derailment!!
So Senator Baucus thinks the American People needs to get more education on the merits of Obamacare. I guess Sebelius was listening since she awarded a public relations firm a $14 million contract to run ads to brainwash the people that Obamacare is really a great idea. If you like your plan, you can keep it, right? Meanwhile, we see one example after another of making the Sequester as painful as possible.
Senator Baucus is now surprised to see that more education of the public is now needed. This bill which, no one read, will now call for more taxes on not only the filthy rich but also the average tax payer. What a great scam that has been pulled on the American public. We need to live within our means, but not congress.
It is well known that the unions helped push this bill and thought they would benefit from it. Later, they seemed to see the handwriting on the wall and many asked for a Waiver from it. The latest union is the Roofers Union which is asking for an outright repeal of the law. 22,000 members so they are a good sized union. They have found out the increased costs to insure members will not allow them to compete for jobs against smaller non union roofers who do not have to get coverage. A 2,700 page bill with 12,000 pages of regulations. What could possibly go wrong?
Hey Lawman, do you remember the push Obama made when he was trying to get this law passed? He made at least 34 major speeches with the same theme of “If you like your plan, you can keep it” among all the other promises made. The reality is that we can’t keep the plan we like because employers cannot afford it and they will do everything they can to stay in business including laying off employees or reducing hours or just cancelling the coverage and paying the taxes, yes they are taxes, not fines. If they give employees a raise to buy their own, that won’t be enough to buy a policy for themselves and family since it is estimated to be $20,000 for a family of 5 by 2015. So much for the Affordable Care Act. Also, insurers will be required to pay $5.50 per covered person on Groups to the Federal Government. Guess what, that will be passed on to the Employer in rate increase.
The way that a market works (absent intervention) is that the prices of goods and services fall as the quality and technology improves. As this happens more and more people are able to purchase the good or service and the quality of life improves. The seller is directly accountable to the buyer. The ultra rich used to carry suitcase sized cellphones, now we all own units beyond their wildest dreams. This is true of any market and improves the quality of life for all people over time and with the best allocation of scarce resources. Intervention drastically changes the process and renders the buyer powerless while raising prices, creating shortages, and lowering quality for everyone. It’s simple economics yet in certain markets people become completely confused as to the mechanics and now we will all suffer.
Anytime you have government get involved in the market, you are going to have serious problems. Nancy said she had to pass it so we could see what was in it. She said she would pole vault over the wall to get it passed. Guess what Nancy. You passed the biggest travesty ever conceived by the US Congress on the American People. That is why it should be repealed entirely or defunded. I predict this law will continue to implode and collapse due to its own weight.
AARP wrapped their arms around ObamaCare and reaped billions of dollars for doing so. Those of you over 50: You can go to AMAC for senior benefits, discounts which are similar and in most cases better than “their” program.
Reader, AARP asked for and received a Waiver from Obamacare when they realized their costs were going to escalate. I receive a regular solicitation from them with pre-printed cards if I will only sign up. They are promptly cut up and discarded in the trash.
A few years back I had an AARP membership. I signed up as soon as I was eligible. Then came the healthcare fiasco and I disagreed with everything AARP was doing. I did not renew my membership. I was bombarded with solicitations from AARP. I sent each back in their prepaid envelope with a short note on it saying I do not agree with your stance on healthcare, do not contact me again. After about 10 of those postage paid envelopes going back to them, they quit contacting me.
I have heard some say they put something heavy in the envelope and their pre-paid postage is a lot more. They then get the message. I will say one thing, they are persistent.
Max Baucus: Don’t soil your knuckles on the man, as the Irish say. He is not worth it. Anyone who votes against background checks on the mentally ill before they buy guns is a waste of time himself.
I would agree with background checks except that with the democrats and Obama administration nothing can be taken at face value. In my mind, this is just a first step toward stripping 2nd Amendment rights. Secondly, it seems that background checks would not have prevented the CO and CT tragedies since neither nutjob had a psych record. If someone would just tell the unvarnished truth once maybe we could get somewhere with sane legislation.
Why would anyone not want to sign up for affordable heathcare, especially when they had already signed up before and was rejected or couldn’t afford the cost?
I believe the stats are underestimating the mass numbers of healthy people that are going to sign up, just because they can, adding desperately needed premium to a system that has been broken for a long, long, long time.
A long, long, long, long time.
A long, long, long, long, long time.
Rebecca, please wake up and smell the coffee. There is nothing affordable about the Affordable Care Act. Projections are a 32% increase in premiums in the first year. The healthy young are not going to sign up for this and they will just pay the tax until they get sick and then run to the exchange to get coverage since they can’t be turned down. How do you think it will be affordable and for whom? A 2,700 page monster that legal scholars can’t understand and 12,000 pages of regulations so far. Government solutions are never cost effective.
Rebecca, What makes you think this is now “Affordable” healthcare? Simply the name? By your comment, you seem to think that people will be singing up in droves, however, if they could not afford health insurance before, they are still not going to be able to aford it, even with the tax breaks SOME will get. The overall premiums are going to be far higher that what they were a year ago, or two years ago. All those wonderful freebies in the law have to be paid for somehow. Free is never truly free, someone pays. How exactly is this going to induce large numbers to flock to agents and sign up?
Hey Tx, What Rebecca does not understand is too much to put in one of these posts. The basic premise is to redistribute wealth from citizens by taxation in order to give free healthcare to the less fortunate. It is the biggest job killer ever visited upon the American People since employers are laying off employees or cutting their hours to below 30 to keep from having to comply. Insurance companies will be sending these “taxes” to Sebelius for every covered employee under existing groups. The result is yet another rate increase so private business is likely to scale their plans back or drop them altogether and pay the tax. What a scam.
Don’t believe the projections that someone was paid to give. It will be affordable.
Sorry, but would anyone actually expect that the administration would tell the truth about the law rather than the story they want us to believe? Besides, they’d first have to read the law and if voting on it isn’t a good enough reason to read it why would informing the American public be better?
They lied about it from the start of the push to passage and signing it into law. Many Americans swallowed it hook, line and sinker. Some have awakened and realize it was one big mistake, but others still think it will work out. More education about a liberal trash bill will not make it smell any better. More evidence is coming out each week about how bad this bill is and how it is imploding in front of our eyes.
Do we need more evidence? How about the Congressional Democrats who voted this monstrocity in without reading it now seeing if they can get their staff exempted from it? Apparently, they have read enough to know that healthcare costs under Obamacare will escalate for their aides so they want to get them out of it. It is fine for the citizens to bear the costs, but the ruling elite need to be taken out.
Try being unemployed without corporate subsidized health insurance and see how you like it. If your employer is paying most of your health insurance premiums, you don’t know how lucky you are. Moreover, that large subsidy is INCOME TAX FREE !!! Sounds like a form of welfare to me. Welfare for the employed. Go figure. If you insurance types believe in the “law of large numbers”, which I know you do, then a national health insurance program is obviously the way to go.
Folks,you “ain’t” seen nothing yet. This is a train wreck that could wreck our entire economy. We need to do something fast to overturn this program!
I have read and read and read the healthcare reform act. I have read and read and read the updates received directly for the insurers. So far, it sounds like health care will be affordable and the only people getting taxed are the rich (top 7%)with and an excise tax and the insurers. And guess what I have a private plan that doesn’t pay diddlely squat and I spend top dollar, so the public option won’t have much to compete with. And as far as the Doctors not accepting the public option. They don’t have enough business to make ends meat (according to them) at present and the service or expertise hasn’t been anything to brag about, so anything else will be an improvement.
And as for the lame argument that young people won’t sign up for health care. YOU ARE SO WRONG and if they can’t afford it will get if free.
Remember the rich only got rich from exploiting the working poor or by medicare fraud. Otherwise, they wouldn’t be rich.
Rebecca…”the rich only got rich from exploiting the working poor or by medicare fraud”? You don’t know any wealthy people that actually worked to earn their wealth? Who do you work for? A poor person that doesn’t work for a living? Your comment is ridiculous.
Rebecca, I am really sure you have read all 2,700 pages of this bill. Legal scholars can’t get through it. How does a 32% increase in healthcare premiums strike you as published by actuaries who have analyzed the new costs? You say you have a private plan that doesn’t pay squat. Guess what you will get on the exchanges! Can you say a Medicaid style policy? Personally, I don’t think you can handle the 15 page app that is coming out. Maybe you can find one of those Navigators at Wal Mart to help you fill it out. I think you would be happier in a Communist country like Cuba and then you can have some of that free healthcare. Of course, you may be working in the sugar cane fields or a cigar factory for $100 a week. I am really sure Bill Gates exploited all those poor Microsoft employees to gain his fortune.
We wouldn’t need a mandate if a law was passed making it illegal to sell insurance at a profit. Pooling money and holding in a reserve, to pay only claims and less then 10% administrative cost. This is what insurance was supposed to do. In all lines.
Insurance was made corrupt by the money leaving the pool for profit, leaving less money or no money to pay claims.
Most insurance companies are owned by the same entity or person. I would support an investigation into the actual owners and their true motive in diversifying the companies (splitting up the pools).
It is not for profit alone.
I see most companies as bureaucracies. Acting in the best interest of their shareholders and not the policy holder.
Insurance is woven into our economy. If it collapses our economy unravels.
It is obvious that you don’t understand business. Do you work for a company? Do you know where your salary comes from? Business owners cannot employ people and pay them benefits without making a profit. I have to make payroll every two weeks, pay all the other overhead expenses and I cannot do it unless I write insurance and receive commissions to make a profit. You need a class in Econ 101. I do agree with you on one thing. Without insurance, our economy collapses since it is a contract and provides security against the unforeseen events.
What? No comment on how selling health insurance at a profit should be illegal?
Again the rich only get rich if poor people are working.
You would be happy in Cuba, where the rich will stay rich and the poor will stay poor.
If you have your way here this is how it will stay here.
I spend too much on a private plan, that doesn’t cover squat and if I’m going to pay more (doubtful) at least I will have more coverage.
The exchanges are offered by the same companies that offer the private plans. They simply have to offer better coverage at a better price.
And medicare, with no cuts to benefits. Just forcing doctors and hospitals not to be so greedy.
I personally would be happy to spend 30% more, so that I don’t have to watch a single mother, with a family of 3 not have to be denied pain medication, as she waits to die at the hospital. All because she couldn’t qualify for Medicaid and she couldn’t qualify for health insurance.
You agree with me right?
You have gone into Koolaid arrest with views like this.