GOP Questions Fundraising for Obamacare

By | May 21, 2013

  • May 21, 2013 at 10:36 am
    Celtica says:
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    SO – GOP, how did your last agenda to make Obama a one term president work out for you?

    • May 21, 2013 at 1:22 pm
      Jack Allen says:
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      It failed kind of like Obama’s presidency has.

      • May 21, 2013 at 2:07 pm
        Sargeant Major says:
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        J.A.- Great comeback, LOL!!

      • May 21, 2013 at 2:12 pm
        Celtica says:
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        Now, now, now, Obama is still in office and the GOP are still just wanna-bees, bucking a decision that the Supreme Court backed.

        Rather than moving forward, the GOP is stuck in 2010. With 2014 elections looming, they have nothing new to add to the grumpy old white men’s club — except keeping their core riled up to pump up their campagin coffers.

        Take a look around, America is changing. You either change wit it, or it will pass you by. Again.

    • May 21, 2013 at 1:30 pm
      Becky says:
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      Celtica – what does this have to do with the article? Do you have an intelligent comment to make?

      • May 21, 2013 at 5:06 pm
        Celtica says:
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        Dear Becky:

        The GOP is going after Obamacare – again. It didn’t work in 2010, it didn’t work with the Supreme Court and it won’t work in 2013, 2014 and beyond.

        If you cannot see that, then you are in position to comment on intelligent comments.

        • May 22, 2013 at 4:26 pm
          Aways Amazed says:
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          And that’s because it was passed in the middle of the night behind closed doors. Do you not remember Polsi saying “We had to pass it so we could find out what’s in it?”

      • May 22, 2013 at 4:16 pm
        Agent says:
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        Becky, if you are waiting for intelligent comments from Celtica, you will be waiting a very long time. She has a one track mind with no common sense apparent.

        • May 22, 2013 at 4:45 pm
          Celtica says:
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          Agent — there you go again with insults. Like I said in an earlier thread, those who resort to insults in a debate are not skilled enough to debate.

          • May 22, 2013 at 5:56 pm
            Agent says:
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            Who is insulting who? You should read some of your posts sometimes before hitting the Post Comment button. You are the poster child for insults of Conservatives. Your administration is in trouble and even long time Democrats on the hill are wanting some of this scandal action. They are abandoning ship since they have an election coming up in 2014 and don’t want to be tied to Obama and his crook minions that are being investigated as we speak. Lois Lerner is the latest example and they are not through with Charlene Lamb either on Benghazi.

          • May 22, 2013 at 9:43 pm
            Celtica says:
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            Agent, poster child for insults of conservatives? How do you dream this stuff up?

            PS: Is now a good time to call you on hiding behind Becky’s skirts? Seriously. Stand on your own remarks without tagging along others. Playground 101.

          • May 23, 2013 at 3:01 pm
            Patti Cake in the East says:
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            Celtica…we can’t all be as PC as you are, dear. Lighten up. If you can’t take the heat, then get off the blog.

    • May 21, 2013 at 2:49 pm
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      Celtica, what does yor comment have to do with the article about Seblieus shaking down companies for these “donations”? Ah, the Chicago shakedown, I know it well. Looks like the Chicago crook Obama has taught the former Kansas poltician well. Gotta love crooked Chicago politics. I’m gald the rest of the country can now see how crooked Chicago politicians work.

      • May 21, 2013 at 5:06 pm
        Celtica says:
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        The GOP seventh sense: I see scandals everywhere.

        • May 22, 2013 at 4:18 pm
          Aways Amazed says:
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          Celtica, Are you living under a rock? This is the most corupt adminstraion since Nixion and Nixion is looking like a saint right now. You cannot deny that what they have done and NOT done isn’t a crime under federal law. I live in Chicago and I know how the Daley Machine worked and that is exactly what Barry is doing in the Whitehouse. There is no seventh sense. It’s FACTUAL!

          • May 23, 2013 at 7:54 pm
            TxLady says:
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            I am also another former Chicagoan and you are right on the money. It’s the Daley machine in action in Washington.

          • May 24, 2013 at 1:57 pm
            FFA says:
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            Well TX Lady, Obama cut his political teeth in Crook County – the most corrupt and highest taxxed county in the nation. He did this while Daley was Mayor.

            What did people expect??????? Everyone that voted for OBama voted for Chicago Politics in the White House.

        • May 22, 2013 at 4:29 pm
          Aways Amazed says:
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          The scandals are actual fact that Obama had brought on himself. He’s pretty good at pointing his finger has everyone else and throwing anyone under him under a buss. Nixon had one scandal and resigned! And no one DIED! I live in Chicago and Obama is running the country like Daely did. I know how Chicago politics work. Talk about a corrupt administraion!! It stinks to high heave for goodness sakes!

        • May 23, 2013 at 3:04 pm
          Patti Cake in the East says:
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          Soooo, Celtica…are you saying that Benghazi didn’t happen? That the DOJ didn’t wire tap? That Fast and Furious didn’t happen? That the IRS didn’t target conservatives? Holy s***…I just made my head spin typing all of those SCANDALS

          • May 23, 2013 at 4:27 pm
            Agent says:
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            Hey Patti Cake, I see you are up on your current events unlike Celtica and Libby who look through rose colored glasses and drink Koolaid when it comes to this administration and all the bad stuff coming down on their heads. A new whistleblower has emerged named Maxwell who was put on administrative leave and targeted to be the fall guy on Benghazi. It should be interesting to see what he tells Congress. He said Stevens was sent to Benghazi to run guns and missiles to the rebels in Libya. The only problem with that is they were Al Quida. This was while the President was saying Al Quida had been diminished and Ghadafi was gone and he won. Oops! Supplying your enemy with weapons? How stupid is that? Hilary and BO are both culpable in this fiasco and we have 4 dead as a result.

          • May 23, 2013 at 4:37 pm
            Libby says:
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            Don’t forget my rocking chair on the porch, Agent. That’s where I wear my rose-colored glasses while I’m drinking my kool-aid.

            Must be why I’m always in a much better mood than you are…

      • May 23, 2013 at 11:20 am
        Agent says:
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        Seriously, Celtica? Hiding behind Becky’s skirts? I do admire her for standing up to you and Libby, but I don’t have any trouble handling your hatred and tacky comments on this site. You should take a course in Econ 101 since you have no clue what you are talking about.

        • May 23, 2013 at 5:42 pm
          Agent says:
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          Libby, I will be in a better mood when the criminals in this administration are exposed and prosecuted for their crimes against this great nation. They have succeeded in polarizing this country and pitting citizens against citizens by race, class and every other way they could to advance their agenda. You have stated on several occasions that you think the President has been honest with the American People and that is hardly the truth as it will be discovered hopefully by the end of the year. I think you are going to find that the agenda has consequences and a number of minions will be thrown under the bus to stay in power. Nixon’s mistakes are well known and he was loyal to the minions under him and it cost him the Presidency with all the deceit he put out. I voted for him as a very young voter and I was just as put out about what happened with Watergate as anyone. He deserved to go. From one of your posts, you are now disillusioned with Obama. You will be even more so when the truth comes out. Absolute Power corrupts absolutely.

          • May 24, 2013 at 8:39 am
            Libby says:
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            I don’t think you can blame the polarity of parties entirely on the current administration. You and I also need to take “personal responsibility” for that. After all, “we” are the people who are polorized. They are not good examples, but we have not done anything (collectively) to change that.

            If people are not willing to compromise and try to see the other side’s position, it will never get better.

          • May 24, 2013 at 1:03 pm
            Agent says:
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            Libby, I will give you a like, but with reservations. The polarization of America began many years ago and was instigated at least 75% by the left to make inroads to gain power. Their ideas were unpopular because they were a failure everywhere they have been tried, so they decided to divide and conquer as a narrative. Conservatives reacted to what they were doing and it quickly became ugly in this country. When we have a candidate make the statement that we live in the greatest country in the world and asking that we join him as he seeks to fundamentally change it, it gave me pause. Just look at how he has changed it in a short time. This country is sliding into oblivion with the economy, morals, incompetence and some very bad people in charge of the government. If you think this country is better off than it was 5 or 10 years ago, you are part of the problem, not the solution.

            Let me ask you something. Have you ever seen a Progressive compromise their position on an important issue? RINO’s like McCain have reached across the aisle and agreed to do Progressive spending or new Entitlement program, but I have not seen Reid or Pelosi ever give on anything to adopt a Conservative approach, balance the budget or cut the massive debt or get rid of an unneeded program or policy and they never will. The attitude is that it is their way or the highway. We saw that with Obamacare on how it was passed.

          • May 24, 2013 at 1:53 pm
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            How fitting – Memorial Day Week End upon us and Libby and Agent agree on something. An event to remember!

  • May 21, 2013 at 1:42 pm
    FFA says:
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    “recently approved new funding” for Enroll America, bringing its total contributions to the group to nearly $14 million since 2010.”

    HMMM. $14Mil. No one hungry in America they could feed with that money? Medicare owes one of my clients $1.5Mil that provides necessary services to their patients. Couldnt pay that bill for the Govt? Why not just throw that into the OBama Care so it at least would run at a $14M less deficeit.

    • May 24, 2013 at 2:46 pm
      Agent says:
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      Hey FFA, I saw on another IJ article that three insurance companies were declared insolvent by the great state of Illinois including Lubmerman’s Mutual of Kemper fame. Kemper was once a proud company back in the day and we did business with them until they were sold to Unitrin Group. Eventually, they formed the Kemper Personal Lines and all the Commercial went away. Gee, I wonder why these companies couldn’t make it in Illinois. It has such a great economic environment up there and we know the politicians really look after business.

  • May 21, 2013 at 2:03 pm
    TxLady says:
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    hmmmm…… seems kind of like a shakedown. Especailly in light of the IRS scandals targeting specific groups and donors. Help me out here with this, hint, hint.

  • May 21, 2013 at 2:14 pm
    Sargeant Major says:
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    I find it odd that whenever there is a scandal Obama and friends no nothing about it. “I knew nothing about Benghazi”, “I knew nothing about the IRS targets” and I knew nothing about hacking the Associated Press”. So they are either incompetent, naïve or poor managers. Or maybe all of the above. Then they would have us believe that bigger government is a good for the American people. So who is going to manage big pieces of Obamacare- the IRS. Great, run by the American version of the KGB? No thanks

    • May 21, 2013 at 2:27 pm
      GETREAL says:
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      Yes, blame it on Bush, then 2nd term blame in on Republicans. On all evolving controversies “no nothing about them”. On legislation pass bills and “then you can find out whats in them”. I mean “what difference does it make?”

    • May 21, 2013 at 2:37 pm
      Agent says:
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      Sargent, they will do anything and everything to push their agenda and it is up to the Conservatives to expose the lies, deceit and incompetence of this administration. If they really needed the funds to sell this monstrocity, they could have asked their benefactor Soros for it. This is pocket change for him. I saw a story that Sebelius is asking doctors to help enroll people when they see them. I think one of their biggest fears is that young healthy people will not enroll to help offset all the sick people that are sure to flood the exchanges. We thought the price tag was high before, but add a couple million sick people filing claims right away and see what the deficit will balloon to in the next few years. Yes, the IRS is due to have the woman they caught in the current IRS scandal to be the new enforcement officer to make sure everyone is enrolled or fined/taxed. What could possibly go wrong?

    • May 21, 2013 at 2:39 pm
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      Sarge – considering you get your benefits from the V.A. it appears unseemly that you would comment on, let alone try to squash, other folks trying to obtain affordable health care. After all, not all folks are able to join the service and retire with government benefits – due to no fault of their own. Cut someone less fortunate a break!

      • May 22, 2013 at 12:57 pm
        Agent says:
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        Libby, don’t go there with Sarge. You got into a lot of trouble on a prior blog criticizing his service to the country. I am a veteran as well and don’t appreciate your comments about someone who put their life on the line for the country to keep it free and equate that to people trying to get “affordable” health care. You need to apologize to Sarge and all the veterans. You owe your freedom of speech to veterans who have given their lives to protect it.

        • May 22, 2013 at 2:04 pm
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          Dear Agent:

          Americans DO appreciate the sacrifice of our soldiers who put their ilves on the line; however, we owe our freedom of speech to our founding fathers who wrote the Constitution.

          Since conservatives are always trying to preserve the Constitution from the clutches of any wing of government other than their own, it is only fair to recognize its origin.

          Now about those medical benefits. Basic medical care is part and parcel of the original intent of the constitution with regards to life.

          We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

          • May 22, 2013 at 2:29 pm
            Agent says:
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            Where in the Constitution does it say that Healthcare is a right? Healthcare is a privilege, not a right and a Socialist bill with 2,700 pages and 12,000 pages of regulation is not what the founding fathers envisioned.

          • May 23, 2013 at 12:14 pm
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            Agent – it’s a little difficult to have “Life” without any healthcare. (Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness)

          • May 23, 2013 at 3:10 pm
            Patti Cake in the East says:
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            JW…it is not up to the government to tell me what, if any, health care I need to have.

        • May 22, 2013 at 2:23 pm
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          Agent – my father was a Westpoint graduate, green beret soldier, who died defending this great country of ours. I would never dishonor someone for their service and they have my total and utter respect for it, including you and Sarge.

          However, the fact that neither of you faces the challenge of not having healthcare makes it inappropriate for you to speak against it for others. Walk a mile in those people’s shoes and then we’ll talk. Oh, that’s right. Many of them don’t have shoes.

      • May 22, 2013 at 2:10 pm
        FFA says:
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        Problem with that statement Libby is that it is not affordable.

        • May 22, 2013 at 2:23 pm
          Libby says:
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          How do you know? It hasn’t even happened yet.

          • May 22, 2013 at 2:35 pm
            Agent says:
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            Actually, most of it has happened. I get to see all the rate increases of my insureds and see the bulletins from my health carriers as they struggle to implement all the new provisions, regulations of this bill. They all know as I do that they will be forced to take all comers with every known PreX condition who will file claims immediately after the policies are implemented. They also know the young healthy people will not enroll until they are coerced to do so or they get sick enough. Are you that naive to believe this is going to be affordable. FFA said it best. The problem is that it is not affordable. Bankruptcy for the USA.

          • May 22, 2013 at 3:00 pm
            Libby says:
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            Uh oh. The sky’s falling again…

          • May 22, 2013 at 3:12 pm
            FFA says:
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            Its like the car salesman – gets you all cranked up on the car and then shows the price.

          • May 23, 2013 at 8:09 am
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            Name one government program that made money or broke even or came in under budget. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Amtrack, US Postal Service, US Energy Department (who after spending hundreds of billions of dollars to make us energy independent has failed miserable), Food Stamps, Unemployment Compensation. The list goes on and on. But yeah, Obama got this one right. And I believe in the tooth fairy too.

          • May 23, 2013 at 3:10 pm
            Patti Cake in the East says:
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            HELLLLOOOO!!!

          • May 23, 2013 at 7:59 pm
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            Libby,
            Much of it has happened, do you not pay attention? It is hard to believe that you are part of the insurance industry yet know so little about what this law’s effects are having on the industry, the cost of insurance, the reduction in benefits, the price to be paid by all for this overreaching regulation. If you are indeed part of this indusctry, then you need to pay more attention, otherwise you are doing a disservice to your clients.

          • May 24, 2013 at 8:44 am
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            Dear Lady: I am indeed in this business, for 33 years now, and have had lengthy discussions with our benefits folks about this. Their business is booming. They are coming up with creative solutions for our clients to address these issues and almost none have been more negatively impacted by the changes than they would have had it not been inacted. Of course, I am talking about large commercial clients with group coverage, not the individuals that buy the one-off policy here and there. It is those people that will benefit from the law once it is fully enacted. Please cite, specifically, how your clients have been financially impacted by this law in ways they wouldn’t have been had things remained unchanged. Keep in mind health insurance has been increasing by double-digits year after year for a very long time now – so that is not a valid argument.

  • May 21, 2013 at 2:31 pm
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    The more I read about healthcare reform, the more I think it won’t work. If the healthy don’t purchase insurance from this new program, then the rates for the rest will sky rocket. People will not purchase the insurance because they can’t afford it. Then the health insurers will bail, and Obamacare will fail. It may take a year or three, but it will fail. There are too many variables to the “insurance” part that cannot be controlled. People will not follow blindly along just because some nonprofit tells them to. IMO

    • May 21, 2013 at 2:43 pm
      Agent says:
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      jw, it sounds like you woke up and smelled the coffee since I recall a lot of posts where you liked the idea. The Affordable Care Act is anything but affordable. A lot of young healthy people have no job and no income. How are they to afford coverage unless the government provides it to them? They know they can’t be turned down so they will wait until they get sick and then apply. The Middle Class will continue to carry the burden for the ne’er do well entitlement crowd.

      • May 21, 2013 at 2:51 pm
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        No, I’m pro healthcare reform, just not this reform. I worked in healthcare for too long. I saw patients who abuse the systme and patients who couldn’t be treated because they don’t have money or insurance. There is a problem, I don’t know how to fix it. Neither do the people who created PPACA.

        • May 21, 2013 at 2:53 pm
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          I also used to work for one of the largest health insuerers in the nation. I do not have fond memories of their methods.

          • May 21, 2013 at 3:10 pm
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            JW, if you are not found of their methods, what do you recommend as a solution that is fiscally sound?

          • May 22, 2013 at 7:22 am
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            KK – sadly, I can’t think of any solution. I just know what we have isn’t working and there are too many new problems with Obamacare.

        • May 21, 2013 at 3:23 pm
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          jw, do you agree that there was a more common sense approach that could have been tried rather than passing a 2,700 page Progressive dream with 12,000 pages of regulations? The bill should have had Tort Reform in it as a center piece. They should have allowed companies to sell across state lines to create a competitive marketplace. They could have created Pools for the PreX people to find coverage. All this for a fraction of the cost, but no they had to micromanage and complicate the issue 100 times over and now they are wondering why it is imploding on them.

          • May 21, 2013 at 4:01 pm
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            I agree with these ideas for reform, but why did the Republicans not push for this when they had control of the White House, Congress and The Supreme Court in the early 2000s? Then we would not have to deal with this.

          • May 22, 2013 at 7:25 am
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            This is embarassing, but I really didn’t know about the Republican proposal.

          • May 22, 2013 at 10:01 am
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            Don’t be embarrassed JW. Agent will tout a Republican “plan” but there really wasn’t a viable plan. Otherwise, we would have all heard about it and they would all be ranting and raving about it right now. Not just one lonely Agent.

          • May 22, 2013 at 2:15 pm
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            There was a plan Libby. Let it ride and let the free enterprise – market forces – to work it out.

          • May 22, 2013 at 2:16 pm
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            Libby,Your statement…otherwise, we would have all heard about it…Your news sources prevent you from hearing anything of any substance or truth.

          • May 22, 2013 at 2:25 pm
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            Another conspiracy theory, Perplexed?

          • May 24, 2013 at 2:57 pm
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            jw, how could you know about the Republican proposal since the lame stream media wouldn’t give them the time of day to publicize it? Obama, Pelosi & Reid brushed the Republicans aside at the famous Blair House meeting on everything proposed by Ryan and others. Their attitude was “We won, you lost”, get in the back of the bus because we are going to do this our way.

          • May 28, 2013 at 10:21 am
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            With the mouths you Republicans have, it would have taken more than that to shut them up if they really did have a viable plan. We only hear about from you, Agent. I think even they know the plan sucked and are embarrassed to bring it up.

  • May 21, 2013 at 3:27 pm
    Sarah says:
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    They Died and Hillary Lied!…. But Hey “WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE!”

    IRS = Obama’s Gestopo! Who could the next President attack?

    Holder = Obama’s Hit man, the intimidator! Don’t publish that information without running it by Axelrod!

    THIS ADMINISTRATION IS WAY OUT OF CONTROL! TIME TO DRAIN THE SWAMP!

    • May 21, 2013 at 4:11 pm
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      Hi Sarah, I have been missing you on these posts. It is good to see the media finally dusting off their Journalism degrees and start investigating and criticizing this administration. I guess having their phones tapped and being called co-conspirators is not sitting well with them. As bad as they have been for 41/2 years, they seem to be waking up now. They are turning Carney on his ear now and don’t seem to be accepting his spin. Lies will paint this administration into a corner. The light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train – quoted by Max Baucus D-Montana.

    • May 21, 2013 at 4:28 pm
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      Ron, let me refresh your memory about the early 2000’s. We seem to have had a real problem with the date 9/11-2001 when 3,000+ good Americans were murdered by Islamic Terrorists. Whatever programs and plans that were being considered had to go to the back burner because we had a big fight going on. There was no big push for reform in light of what happened. By 2007, the Democrats took power and between Pelosi and Reid, they shoved massive spending legislation through thinking they could spend their way to prosperity. It didn’t work and the economy tanked. When the current President took power, instead of trying to fix the economy, he pushed his Progressive Dream that we couldn’t afford and they passed it without reading it. And now you know why we are having to deal with this now.

      • May 21, 2013 at 4:33 pm
        Ron says:
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        Do Republicans have anything else to fall back other than 9/11. I do not recall seeing any Congressman/woman in Afghanistan or Irag or working at Ground Zero. What else were they doing?

        • May 21, 2013 at 5:02 pm
          Agent says:
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          Isn’t this a big enough issue to suit you? International politics and war was all anyone could talk about during that time. They did manage to pass a budget each year and we have yet to see one in the past 5 years from this Administration. One budget that was proposed was voted down 100-0 in the Senate. They seem to like continuing resolutions and not letting a good crisis go to waste. Even during the heighth of the war years, the deficit was around $450 Billion. Now, we have 1.4 Trillion annual deficits with no end in sight.

          • May 22, 2013 at 7:45 am
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            Unless Congress was actually overseas fighting the terrorists, they could have passsed their ideas for reform. The PPACA was written and passed while were were still in IRAQ and Afghanistan. I am not defending the process in which it got passed, but at least it got done.
            Do Republicans even care about domestic issues enough to find some time to address an issues that has afected tens of millions of Americans? Actually I do remember them pushing against abortion and gay marriage, but that is far more important than health care.
            Are you referring to the budgets that did not include funding for the 2 wars making the deficit look smaller than it really was?

      • May 21, 2013 at 5:19 pm
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        Speaking of refreshed memories: are you referring to the September 11 event that Bush was warned about on August 6, 2001 in a memo entitled “Bin Laden intent on striking inside the US,” that Bush chose to ignore?

        • May 22, 2013 at 8:20 am
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          Celitica, you really want to go there? Blaming Bush for 9/11? Remember Clinton had his finger on the kill bin Laden button 2 or 3 times and refused to press it. Remember Clinton (as do all Democrats including the current one) decimated our intelligence gathering system while in office? Bush was only in office a few months when 9/11 happened, and then protected us from another attack the rest of his terms. Obama has had at least 3 on his watch now, well into his terms so it is his decimating of our intelligence gathering which is in large part behind it. The Boston bombing where under his watch federal agencies botched it and the Fort Hood attack, which the Obama administration still calls “work place violence” and of course Benghazi which he and his administration tried to cover up and lie about with hours of it occurring. You really want to go there? Huh?

          • May 22, 2013 at 10:07 am
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            Dave, are you really trying to compare 9/11 to Boston, Fort Hood & Benghazi??? Get real, man. Those were small potatoes compared to 9/11. And yes, Bush was warned and failed to act. Where was your outrage when that happened? You Republicans have a short memory when the shoe can be placed on the other foot, but a big, big mouth when trying to make mountains out of molehills. Until your side can get their sh*t straight, you have no right criticizing anyone else. And what does any of this have to do with HEALTHCARE???

          • May 22, 2013 at 11:15 am
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            Dave — Bush never did find Bin Laden, did he? He was never seriously looking either, was he. Know who Bush did find? Saddam Hussein. That’s who he found. And it only cost us thousands of American lives to find him.

            As for Benghazi, you never really know what happens in the fog of war, but the important thing is that the GOP use it to their political advantage.

          • May 22, 2013 at 11:40 am
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            Dave, let’s give credit to Clinton for bombing an aspirin factory in Sudan and sending a cruise missile in to bomb an abandoned Al Quida training site in Afghanistan. Oops, what happened to the embassy bomging in Kenya, the Kobar Towers in Saudia Arabia, the USS Cole in Yemen? How about the first World Trade Center bombing setting off a bomb in the basement? All of this on his watch.

          • May 22, 2013 at 12:54 pm
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            Agent – let’s even up the Clinton record:

            – In 1994, the economy had the lowest combination of unemployment and inflation in 25 years.

            – He signed into law the largest deficit reduction plan in history, resulting in over $600 billion in deficit reduction.

            – He cut the federal bureaucracy by more than 100,000 positions — its lowest level since the Kennedy Administration.

            – He hosted the signing of the Israeli-Palestinian Declaration of Principles and the signing of the Israeli-Jordan Washington Principles — historic agreements between the leaders of Israel and her Arab neighbors to settle differences by peaceful means.

            – Cut federal spending by $255 billion over 5 years.

            – 1994 real GDP growth was the highest in a decade.

            Now what about some aspirin factory?

          • May 22, 2013 at 5:01 pm
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            Libby, Clinton and his lack of action against bin Laden when he had the chance is responsible for 9/11 if you want to go there. And his decimation of the intelligence system (as Obama is currently doing) helped Bush’s first several months in office (when 9/11 occurred) prevented us from knowing more about it before it happened. As will the next President after Obama be equally as blind.

            And Libby, others brought up baseless and mindless attacks I felt obligated to respond to. You’re pretty good at changing the topic when losing an argument. Tell me, how does it feel?

          • May 22, 2013 at 5:03 pm
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            Hey Libby, I see you changed the topic yet again when responding to Agent. You are so predictable. Losing an argument, bring up totally unrelated topics. Keep up the good work!

          • May 23, 2013 at 8:44 am
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            Dave, please tell me how I changed the topic. The topic was Clinton’s record and I responded regarding Clinton’s record.

          • May 23, 2013 at 9:00 am
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            And interesting that you brought up changing the subject since I just raised that in another blog about what Bob does when responding to me. At least come up with something original.

          • May 23, 2013 at 8:03 pm
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            Dave, one must be well read to know these things, as you are. Thank you for stating htem so well. Bin Laden was handed to Clinton on a silver platter and he turned him down.

          • May 24, 2013 at 8:52 am
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            Handed to him on a silver platter? To do what with him? Unlike the cowboys in shoot-em-up Texas, the American government is not in the business of “taking out” people they “suspect” of terrorist activities. Just what crimes against America was Bin Laden to have been tried and convicted for during the Clinton administration? Lady, you may think you and Dave are well read, but you have your facts all bas-ackwards.

        • May 23, 2013 at 3:04 pm
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          Excuse me Celtica, CLINTON was also warned about Osama by Oliver North on many an occasion. Did he take any actionl. Sadly, no he didn’t so don’t go blaiming Bush. Clition had many an oportunity to nab Osama BEFORE 9/11.

          • May 23, 2013 at 3:14 pm
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            Especially when Isreal offered Bin Laden to Clinton, and he declined.

          • May 24, 2013 at 8:54 am
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            Again, Always and Ms. Cake, please refer to my post above. Please, please, please have your facts straight before shooting from the hip. Are you guys from Texas, too???

          • May 24, 2013 at 3:57 pm
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            Hey Libby, to set the record straight, following is what Bin Laden or his affiliates accomplished during Clinton’s reign. Kenyan Embassy bombing, Kobar Towers in Saudia Arabia, USS Cole in Yemen, first World Trade Tower bombing, Bali bombing of restaurant. I am sure I am leaving off some, but these are a good start. I do give him credit for retaliation by bombing an aspirin factory in Sudan and sending a few cruise missiles to Afghanistan to blow up an abandoned training site for his followers. By the way, Obama was determined to take out Ghadafi by bombing and then selling the Al Quida rebels weapons to get him. They succeeded in taking him out, but at what cost? Is Libya better off with Al Quida rebels in charge?

          • May 28, 2013 at 10:15 am
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            Agent: At the time we had no proof bin Laden was behind those bombings. And even if there had been, the only person who says bin Laden was “offered up” to Clinton “on a silver platter” is the minister of defense for the Sudan; the very country that invited him as an “official guest.” Hardly a credible source.

        • May 24, 2013 at 12:47 pm
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          Celtica,

          And do you remember who Oliver North is? He REPEATEDLY

          • May 24, 2013 at 12:49 pm
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            sorry about that – he repeatedly warned Clinton about Osama and Clinton, what did he do? NOTHING! So if you’re going to point a finger you need to go back a bit further!

          • May 28, 2013 at 10:18 am
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            What was he supposed to do??? Shoot him down in cold blood? We don’t do things like that in the civilized world. We could have brought him in to stand trial, but we had NO PROOF he was behind anything at the time. Please people, hindsight is 20/20. Don’t try to recreate history.

      • May 21, 2013 at 9:21 pm
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        Read it and weep about what Bush said about Bin Laden. Note date.

        On March 13, 2002 then President Bush said, “We haven’t heard much from him. And I wouldn’t necessarily say he’s at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don’t know where he is. I’ll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run.

        • May 22, 2013 at 2:02 am
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          Now celitica,

          What point do you think you just made?

          This looks to me like someone asked if we would be attacked by Osama again, and Bush said he was on the run, and not really capable of another attack while we chased him.

          You are reading in to that comment far too much.

          That was not him saying Osama was not a threat over all. If that were true, he would not have tortured people to get to Osama bin Laden.

          You are tripping over your toes.

          • May 22, 2013 at 12:26 pm
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            Bob — Bush said Osama was on the run because Bush had no idea that Osama Bin Laden was comfortably (by Pakistani standards)ensconced in a nice compound down the street from the Pakistani military school for years, years, and years.

            He wasn’t on the run at all.
            But then Bush wasn’t concerned, was he.

          • May 23, 2013 at 2:18 pm
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            Celtica, Your President said he had decimated Al Quida and they were finished as a threat shortly before Ben Ghazi happened. More whistleblowers are coming forward to say that Stevens was sent to Ben Ghazi to broker some guns/missiles deals for the rebels in Libya. The big problem with that is that they were Al Quida. Oops, furnishing missiles and guns to your enemy? Something must have gone wrong with the negotiations for them to decide to take him out. The administration from Hilary right to Obama decided to let it happen because they didn’t want a scandal to come out right before the election and Stevens would have blown the whistle on them. No wonder they wouldn’t send in the troops to save him even though they were an hour away. No wonder they made up the story on the video maker. This will play out as more come forward. It is a very ugly situation perpetrated by our exalted leaders.

    • May 21, 2013 at 5:08 pm
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      Sarah, how patriotic of you to conveniently skip over all the deaths of people in service in the Gulf War and the 3,000+ civilians who died on September 11.

      You dishonor their memory.

    • May 21, 2013 at 9:19 pm
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      For the record, I bet Fox News left this part out:

      “With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night decided to go kill some Americans? What difference, at this point, does it make?”

      “For me, this is not just a matter of policy, it’s personal,” said Clinton, holding back tears. “I stood next to President Obama as the Marines carried those flag-draped caskets off the plane at Andrews. I put my arms around the mothers and fathers, sisters and brothers, sons and daughters.

      • May 22, 2013 at 11:42 am
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        And she also said to the father of one of the Marines that she would get that video maker even though it was a total fabricated lie. She is in this mess up to her eyeballs just like all the other spinmeisters in this administration.

      • May 23, 2013 at 3:13 pm
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        “For me, this is not just a matter of policy, it’s personal,” said Clinton, holding back tears”. Crocodile tears is more like it, Celtica. I watched the proceedings, too. You will be one of the fools that would actually vote for this murderous, poor excuse of a person into office.

    • May 22, 2013 at 11:36 am
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      Sarah:

      Hilary Lied – Where’s the proof?

      IRS = Internal Reveue Service. Often used as a political tool. Remember these? 1960s, 70s – The Nixon administration created an IRS unit called the Special Services Staff, or SSS, to target activists and political dissidents. 1990s – During hearings by Senator William Roth’s Finance Committee, the IRS was accused of “Gestapo-like” conduct and myriad taxpayer abuses.

      Holder = The Attorney General. Nothing will come of this fabricated “scandal” anymore than gun walking. It’s pure fiction and you guys know it. Reps are the kings of fabricating scandals where there are none.

      THE ONLY THING OUT OF CONTROL HERE IS THE RANTING AND RAVING OF HALLUCINATING REPUBLICANS OUT TO CREATE SOMETHING FROM NOTHING.

      Enough already!

      • May 22, 2013 at 1:14 pm
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        Now now, Libby, what would a week be in President Obama’s 2nd term without some made-up histeria over supposed “scandals”? They are trying to impeach the man, duh! That’s what Republicans try to do to Democratic Presidents.

        • May 22, 2013 at 2:20 pm
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          And Democrats were not going to impeach Nixon Planet? I forgot, you were not alive back then. Yes, the very impeachable lying Clinton was impeached, but not removed because the Senate had too many Democrats in it and it would take 2/3rds to remove him from office. If I recall, it was a 50/50 vote. He escaped by the skin of his teeth. It was all the fault of the vast right wing conspiracy until the blue dress showed up. At the time, I thought they would find Monica floating face down in the Potomac. Amazing she survived that time.

          • May 22, 2013 at 2:28 pm
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            Only Republicans resort to such measures, Agent. And please don’t try to equate what Clinton did (lie about an extra-marital affair – which is nobody’s business in the first place) to bugging the Democratic Campaign HQ. Really! You need to catch a grip.

          • May 24, 2013 at 10:12 am
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            Don’t forget that they did find Vince Foster dead in a park from an ‘apparent’ self-inflicted gun shot wound…wasn’t there a democratic SCANDAL going on at that same time called White Water that he had information on??? How quickly, and seemingly conveniently, lefties forget.

          • May 24, 2013 at 10:33 am
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            Forget what? Whitewater or Vince Foster? Surely you are not implying there is a connection. Anymore than I would imply that Dubya lied about WMD’s so he could invade Kuwait to avenge his daddy’s past failure with Saddam…

          • May 24, 2013 at 10:33 am
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            I mean invade Iraq.

        • May 22, 2013 at 2:25 pm
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          “- In 1994, the economy had the lowest combination of unemployment and inflation in 25 years.

          – He signed into law the largest deficit reduction plan in history, resulting in over $600 billion in deficit reduction”

          How much of that has OBama un-done?
          There is incompetence on both sides of the coin.

          To you Bush / Clinton and all former pres bashers – they are all history as defined by Webster not Obama. Obamas definition of Affordable Health Care is an increase from $722 to $1411 in two years with another 30% increase expected next year.

          None the less, Obama is an American as defined by Obama – not Webster.

          • May 22, 2013 at 2:32 pm
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            FFA – first of all, because your health insurance went from $722 to $1,411 has nothing to do with Obama. You were on Cobra and then had to find coverage and both you and your wife have serious pre-existing medical conditions.

            Secondly, Obama, while I admit to not being the greatest POTUS in history, inherited a mess 6 years ago. It is hardly his doing or undoing of the economy.

            Thirdly, and lastly, Obama is an American citizen as defined by the Constitution or whatever document grants citizenship. He was born here and is no less American than you or me.

          • May 22, 2013 at 3:22 pm
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            And what is affordable about that? Why didnt he tweake the COBRA Laws to allow me to keep what I had as he promised????

            Its not me with the pre x’s. My wife went right through her $5K ded by end of April. Medical Science has developed a non intrusive procedure with out a transplant to resolve my issue. That shook out the begining of this year.

            I do not know the answer to this question but you seem to be the topic expert – What are the incentives within the Health Industry to promote R & D?

            Per David Letterman – Obamas Half Brother was trying to run for Govener of an Affican State. He was kicked off the ballot because – it would appear he was born in Hawaii.

          • May 22, 2013 at 4:38 pm
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            Hmmmm. Born in Hawaii. That sounds familiar. Did they actually see his birth certificate?

            Obama did not have to tweak COBRA or tort reform. His healthcare plan is supposed to take care of people like you. BUT IT HASN’T BEEN IMPLEMENTED YET.

            Hell, Illinois hasn’t even set up an exchange yet. I love how everyone is bashing Obamacare when it hasn’t even started. There will be plenty of time for bashing when that day rolls around.

          • May 22, 2013 at 5:10 pm
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            Libby – Did you miss the Per David Letterman part? CBS 10:30pm Chicago time. He is a late night talk show host that is paid to crack jokes. I though it was funny. He bashes both sides equally. In all your posts, you have never had much of a sense of humor.

            Correct He did not have to do anything at all with Health Care. I didnt ask for Govt Help. I dont want Govt Help. I am not a leach. I will find a way to meet my responsibilities. I do not want to ride your tax dollars.

            Dont need to try and convince me IL in shambles. I want out. How do I convince my wife? Even my daughter stated she wants out citing the misserable job situation here. Ive laid the Money Issues on the table. Ive laid the tax issues on the table. The cost of living, ect… She is letting her emotions dictate what goes on in her brain.

            Anyone out there have any suggestions??? Any way to do a cost benefite analysis of divorce and move myself vs stay here and ride the storm??? We get along better then most married people I know.

          • May 23, 2013 at 8:47 am
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            FFA – I think at one time you told me she didn’t want to move because of the kids and grandkids. If that’s the case, pack them all up and take them with you. You can get a bigger house for less and everybody’s happy. If that’s not the reason she doesn’t want to leave, what is it?

          • May 23, 2013 at 11:14 am
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            FFA, Libby conveniently forgets who was in charge of the House in the Clinton days. Newt Gingrich stymied Hilarycare and all the big spending Clinton wanted to do and actually shut down the government for a period of time because they had a balanced budget in mind. Clinton, the pragmatist realized he couldn’t get it so he gave in and made the statement that Welfare as we knew it was at an end. Please liberals, study your history. Clinton was just a liberal, lying, cheating President who was not responsible for the improving economy. Congress was with the Contract with America.

          • May 23, 2013 at 12:08 pm
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            Yes Libby. She did state that. Now, I dont know what to think. Maybe she does want a divorce and waiting for me to do something. I am happy with my wife. Maybe shes not happy with me?

            I just dont know.

          • May 23, 2013 at 12:34 pm
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            Are you happy because you don’t talk? Talk to her!!!

          • May 23, 2013 at 1:26 pm
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            We dont fight. We dont argue. I cant remember the last time we had any argument. Its been a long time since I was mad at her or she was mad at me. Long Time.
            When I bring up the topic of getting out of here, she just says no way.
            Me – personally – I think she fears the unknown.
            I’m not one much for change, but something needs to happen.
            If my daughter would just get off her lazy ass and get out of my house…. That I blame on the give a way system. “Why should I work when I get all this for nothing???”

          • May 23, 2013 at 2:10 pm
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            Just ask her WHY she won’t consider moving instead of guessing. Maybe you can talk her through her fears. Go out there on vacation and see if she likes it. You can’t expect her to leave everything she knows without even seeing the place! Set up some real estate showings. Once she sees what she can have out there, she may change her mind. Make sure you pick a location where there will be things she likes, whatever they are. And you may have to bring your daughter and grandkids along as a compromise.

      • May 22, 2013 at 4:55 pm
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        Actually Hillary didn’t lie. She and Obama sent out their dupe, Susan Rice, to do their lying for them. Being lawyers they have been smart and careful to shield themselves from all the illegal actions they may be responsible for by finding various lackys to do their questionable biddings.

        But Libby, keep up the name calling as you got nothing else. The FACTS BE DAMNED!

        • May 23, 2013 at 8:48 am
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          No name calling, Dave. Just appropriate adjectives for the right-wing hysterics going on right now.

  • May 21, 2013 at 4:52 pm
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    “Enroll America” wasn’t that the job of insurance agents before Obamacare limited company expenses to the point where health care commissions had to be virtually eliminated? Now our government is soliciting funds to pay government agents to educate and enroll the public in healthcare plans. How does this help keep unemployment from increasing in the private sector?

    • May 21, 2013 at 5:04 pm
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      Actually Original, it is the biggest job killer ever devised. Look at what employers are doing to cut back on employees, limiting hours to part time to try to stay in business.

    • May 22, 2013 at 10:13 am
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      Do you guys actually WORK in an agency? Our benefits department is booming and bursting at the seams; and so are all the others in the agencies I know of.

      And if you guys had been doing such a bang-up job of enrolling Americans in healthcare, we wouldn’t have a need for Obamacare now would we?

      Also, companies in my neck of the woods are NOT cutting back on employees or hours to stay in business. Business is picking up and sales, payrolls, and revenues are increasing.

      Where do you guys live? Under a rock???

  • May 21, 2013 at 5:03 pm
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    The Seventh Sense: I see scandals everywhere.

    • May 21, 2013 at 5:06 pm
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      Celtica, anyone with eyes and ears can see one scandal after another piling up on this administration. Perhaps the new born media will bring some more to light.

      • May 21, 2013 at 5:10 pm
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        Dear Agent:

        So the media is now the GOP’s friend. Funny, when they were doing their job with Bush, you whined about the lame stream media.

        Funny, how things change when it suits your point of view. Shifty morales, you.

      • May 22, 2013 at 10:21 am
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        Shifty morals? How about NO morals? Karl Rove, Dubya, Mark Sanford, Richard Nixon, Oliver North. S&L scandal, secret bombings of Cambodia, WMD’s, Iran-Contra, voter fraud in various states. The list of Republican misdeeds is as long, or longer, than anyone elses. The difference is they play on a much larger scale. Again, clean up your own house before you start criticizing mine.

        • May 22, 2013 at 2:19 pm
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          Libby, you really want to get into listing names on both sides? Really? I live in Chicago. We recently sent an ex governor to jail. Jesse Jackson Jr. one of our Congressman is going in soon. His wife a Chicago Alderman is soon to follow. A state senator recently won re-election despite an indictment for bribery (he’ll be sent up the river soon). All Democrats and all from the same political cesspool that spawned our president. You really want to go there?

          • May 22, 2013 at 2:31 pm
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            What about Beavers? $500K in Campaign / Gambling funds??? Grey Lord? Silver Scoop? Unemployment rate 2% higher then national average? Highest Taxxes in the country – Democraticly run. Stroger taking FEMA money and throwing a party at Brookfield Zoo?

            Sorry Dave. You missed a few as I am sure I did too.

          • May 22, 2013 at 2:36 pm
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            No, Dave, I don’t want to go there. I’ll stay as far away from Chicago as I can get, thank you. So what’s wrong with your constituency that you keep voting in all these crooks and losers? Are they the only ones running? Time for you to step up and throw your hat in the ring.

            “It is not the function of our Government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the
            Government from falling into error.”
            — Robert H. Jackson

            “The punishment which the wise suffer who refuse to take part in the government, is to live under the government of worse men.”
            — Plato

            And yes, I named names again.

          • May 22, 2013 at 4:32 pm
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            Again, quiet on the Dave front…

          • May 23, 2013 at 12:00 am
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            Libby, I’m not talking about Chicago, I’m talking about your body count of thugs on each side. Believe me, the filth of the Democrats and the far left far exceeds that on the right. You want to go there? You want more examples? The millions and millions who have been killed in the cause of socialism is obvious. The fact that this administration is headed in that direction disturbs me deeply.

          • May 23, 2013 at 8:53 am
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            You weren’t talking about Chicago???

            “We recently sent an ex governor to jail. Jesse Jackson Jr. one of our Congressman is going in soon. His wife a Chicago Alderman is soon to follow. A state senator recently won re-election despite an indictment for bribery (he’ll be sent up the river soon). All Democrats and all from the same political cesspool that spawned our president.”

            I’m sorry. I thought that was talking about Chicago.

            My listing of right-wing wrong-doers was only to point out that there is plenty of dirt to go around – ON BOTH SIDES. Why is it OK for on side to sling mud on the other, but when we retaliate to point out the same thing goes on in their house we are wrong for doing so?

            What’s good for the goose is good for the gander, Dave.

          • May 23, 2013 at 10:49 am
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            So Dave, did you catch any of the hearings on the IRS scandal? Our wonderful Lois Lerner, who has drawn around $750,000 of our tax dollars in salary and benefits over the past 4 years makes a long statement about being innocent of wrongdoing at the IRS and then refuses to answer any questions and pleaded the 5th Amendment while surrounded by several lawyers (at our expense). The arrogant little pip squeak Schulman (her boss) visited the White House an astronomical 118 times and couldn’t recall why he went there except one time for the Easter Egg Roll with his kids. So they can do all their audits of Conservative Groups, delay, deny, tap records for a political agenda and they think that is perfectly ok. I know Libby and Celtica think this is acceptable behavior, but it is actually a crime and I hope it will be followed all the way to the top. Michelle Malkin outlines this in her book Culture of Corruption. These are the sorriest people ever in public service in this country. They make the Watergate conspirators look like choir boys. By the way Haldeman, Colson and Dean all got jail time.

          • May 23, 2013 at 12:36 pm
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            Agent – if they committed a crime, they should also get jail time. My issue with you is they are guilty until proven innocent. NOT the American way…

  • May 21, 2013 at 5:21 pm
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    And at the end of the day, Obamacare is going through — and you WILL have to live with it.

    • May 21, 2013 at 7:14 pm
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      only until america dies, because barry o is going to kill it

      • May 22, 2013 at 10:22 am
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        Wow! Obama is one powerful dude! Is the sky falling, too, Just Visiting?

        • May 24, 2013 at 3:12 pm
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          he IS the leader of the free world after all

    • May 22, 2013 at 12:49 pm
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      And guess what, Celtica – YOU will have to live with it too, and once it’s fully implemented and you find out how bad it really is, you probably won’t like it much!

      By the way – are Celtica and Libby the same person, or maybe twins? They sure sound alike!

      • May 22, 2013 at 12:57 pm
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        Yeah, well you sound just like, Dave, Agent, Bob, and all the other right-wing blowhards. Are you all the same person???

        • May 22, 2013 at 2:21 pm
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          We are all different, but we enjoy shooting your Huffington Post talking points down Libby.

          • May 22, 2013 at 2:52 pm
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            Agent, you haven’t shot down ONE of my talking points yet. You are just a broken record with your “Progressive Socialist Agenda” propaganda speech. I make very salient arguments to which I rarely receive a response from you or Dave. I have even posted again asking for your response to a particular point I have made (on numerous occasions) only to be treated with silence. That’s what you do when the going gets tough. Me, I stand and fight. That’s the difference between you and me. I actually have something specific to say and you just have your “Keynesian Economics” and “Huffington Post” gobbledygook to regurgitate. Time for Side B.

        • May 22, 2013 at 2:26 pm
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          Right Libby and are you, Celtica, and a few others the same left-wing blowhards? Careful Libby, careful. Stick to the facts. I am my own person who backs his positions with legitimate arguments. I haven’t seen one stance I’ve made here based on facts I’ve discussed legitimately disputed. But the name calling, yeah, a lot of that. I’ve always believed absent legitimate arguments the left goes to changing the topic, name calling, character assassination to weakly make their point. Heck with the facts.

          • May 22, 2013 at 2:42 pm
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            Bite me, Dave. Everytime I dispute one of your stances with facts of my own, you shut down like a business just taken over by Bain Capital. You never answer back. In that case, I have to assume you have no leg to stand on and I automatically win the point.

          • May 22, 2013 at 3:31 pm
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            Libby says – “you shut down like a business just taken over by Bain Capital”.

            Bain is running wild in my home town. Must be Mitt at it again!

          • May 22, 2013 at 4:31 pm
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            Notice how quiet he is now that I shut him down? Meanwhile, he’s yacking it up on the contraceptive blog. At least until I go Bain all over his a** there, too. LOL.

          • May 23, 2013 at 12:04 am
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            What facts Libby? What have I lied about. I know the left’s mantra. Tell a lie over and over again and to some (especially the biased media) and it becomes the truth. Lose an argument, change the topic. When all else fails, resort to name calling and character assassination. Bite me Libby. BTW Look at the likes and dislikes Libby. You’re pretty much universally ignored her as a reliable source. No surprise to me after reading so much of your crap.

          • May 23, 2013 at 8:56 am
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            I never said you lied, Dave. I only said I have come back with valid facts of my own and salient arguments against your stances only to hear silence from you.

            And the reason I have so many dislikes is because the insurance business is notoriously right-wing and this is an insurance blog. In addition, people like me do not go around liking and disliking comments as we believe everyone has is entitled to their opinion and don’t need to like/dislike. It is the rabid right-wingers that feel a need to put down the liberals on this site. Not the other way around.

          • May 28, 2013 at 5:48 pm
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            So Dave, did you catch the comments of the Prez at the Jersey Shore while he and Christie were taking another bow at rebuilding the Boardwalk? He made a speech and said that he would also help the people in Monroe, Oklahoma rebuild as well. Hello! He is so disinterested that he couldn’t even get the name of the town right (Moore, Ok). It has only been on the networks and internet for a week now. Hearkens back to 57 states, Army Corpsemen. I guess the teleprompter had a malfunction again. By the way, FEMA has not made much of an impression on the locals in Moore. All the volunteers, church groups are there making a difference, but not the Feds.

      • May 22, 2013 at 2:13 pm
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        They are different…and great. Great minds think alike. Way to go Libby and Celtica!

        The PPACA will continue to be scrutinized and improved. Perhaps someday, we’ll get that public option. But for now, we have to live with the conservative idea of a mandate (Heritage Foundation, Bob Dole, part of Right Wing response to Hillarycare).

        • May 22, 2013 at 2:27 pm
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          To quote my hero, Ronald Reagan, “Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.”

          I have been called a blowhard by a liberal – I am highly complimented!!! You just made my day!! Love it!!

          • May 22, 2013 at 2:41 pm
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            Proud, Ronnie was my hero as well. Another was the late, great Margaret Thatcher who said – The trouble with Socialism is that pretty soon you run out of other peoples money. She was a great lady and tough as nails. She managed to turn Britain around and restore a free market society which did well until the Socialists got back in office. Now, they are in the economic morass of before and their National Health Service is almost bankrupt which is where this country is heading with Obamacare.

        • May 22, 2013 at 2:53 pm
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          Thanks, Captain. Can’t speak for Celtica since we’re not the same person, but I think you’re great, too.

        • May 22, 2013 at 3:10 pm
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          Thanks, CP!

          As Libby mentioned, we are two individuals united with you in the cause of Truth, Justice and the American Way.

          Oh wait, that’s Superman.

          • May 22, 2013 at 3:13 pm
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            Or woman…

          • May 22, 2013 at 4:06 pm
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            So Libby & Celtica, is your Superwoman Lois Lerner your new hero? She took the 5th Amendment today and refused to answer questions about her role or knowledge in what the IRS was doing targeting Conservative Groups for years and refusing them Tax Exempt status. I wonder what is on her email account. Even the Democrats on this committee showed a lot of frustration about her non responses. Hmm! Is this the type of public servant this country needs right now? Perhaps a cell next to Bernie would be in order. Special Prosecutor may be appointed according to Alfie Hastings (D).

          • May 22, 2013 at 4:30 pm
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            Agent – Just because the Tea Party was targeted does not mean the targeting was unwarranted. And if was unwarranted, WTF? Hardly the scandal of the century. And doubtful that it goes all the way to the top. Good luck proving this one. Me, I’ve got bigger fish to fry.

    • May 22, 2013 at 2:33 pm
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      Yes it is. Adjust. I’m applying for food stamp. What are you doing to get ready for the massive increase in Taxxes & Premiums?

      • May 22, 2013 at 3:14 pm
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        Dear FFA:

        I get my benefits from my company — but I have always contributed. And each year I contribute more and more as they contribute less and less. Frankly, companies should not be charged with this expense in the first place.

        The writing has been on the wall a long time. It should be made available to all Americans and Americans need to belly up to that bar. As a result, I support the tax penalty on those that do not.

        But irrespective and independent of Obamacare, health care benefits were dwindling, made worse by the economic recession that threw people out of work and without benefits.

        As the population ages, these chickens are coming home to roost. Sticking your head in the sand does not mean that chicken will not, well you know, on you.

        • May 22, 2013 at 3:40 pm
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          Hey Celtica, You make the statement that your employer pays less and less while you pay more and more. Who do you think pays the Group Health tab for all covered employees each month? If they get a huge rate increase, they have to figure out a way to pay it and cannot absorb all the increase. You probably think your employer are bad guys because they desire to be successful and make a profit and stay in business. By the way, this economy has been in doldrums for the past 4 1/2 years despite what this administration puts out. People that give up looking for work are not even counted in the unemployment figures. Real unemployment is at least 15% in this country. The despair in this country is palpable. Is this the new normal to continue doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

          • May 22, 2013 at 4:04 pm
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            Dear Agent: Try this revolutionary concept — I don’t think the companies should pay at all. It is an unnecessary business expense borne by them because the government (read GOP) cannot get it in their heads that the cost should be spread amongst all Americans. So I am hardly upset by my company increasing my portion.

            Further, since I also work in insurance (people just don’t surf and stumble onto the IJ forum, you know), I tell all my friends and relatives who do not like insurance that we are NOT a non profit organization. We are there to make a reasonable profit. Like any other company.

            SO — you may not think we are on the same side, but in certain respects we are.

        • May 22, 2013 at 3:47 pm
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          Celtica – Last year I contributed 50% of my Employees Premium. This year – instead of a base raise, I increased my contribution to 75% with No change in benefit. His contribution still went up about $15.00 per pay peroid.

          I would guess if you knew the full story, its reads about the same.

          I have not picked up on what part of the contry you are from, but just be glad your not in IL. Unempoyment rate is 2% higher then national average. We were voted thrid worst state to do business in. Sunday night – 48 Hours (CBS) lowlited the crime in Chicago and how Rahms (OBamas former right hand man) has not had any success getting a grip on the murder rate. He is closing down a bunch of schools forcing kids to walk through rival gang territory to get a crappy at best education.

          • May 22, 2013 at 4:14 pm
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            So FFA, Celtica thinks the cost should be spread by all Americans and companies should not have to pay because it is an unnecessary business expense. The last time I checked, companies were made up of people (Americans). Should we just raise the tax rate to 75% like France on everyone to pay for all this?

            On your comment on Chicago, I read that there were 5 more murders last weekend. Rahm toured some areas with 5 armed guards. By the way, I was sorry to see Uhrlacher retire. He played 13 great years and the injuries kept piling up. I always enjoyed seeing him play. Hall of Fame no doubt when he is eligible.

          • May 22, 2013 at 4:40 pm
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            Boy are you going to be in for a surprise come 2014, Celtica. Your premium is going to be astronomical if your employer doesn’t pay for it. Then tell me how you like Obamacare.

          • May 24, 2013 at 10:42 am
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            He had a great career. Glad he didnt do a Brett Farve in Minn. Should be a first ballot in the Hall. Should Get a coaching job at some level quickly.
            I’l be happy to have him as a producer!!!
            Dennis McKinnon (85 Bears) is a territory rep for one of the glass companies locally. Why cant Brian sell Insurance????

            Phill Jackson was on the news last nigt defending D Rose sitting the entire season.

      • May 22, 2013 at 4:06 pm
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        Dear FFA: Instead of applying for food stamps which the GOP made difficult to obtain, I’m going for the crops insurance with my widdle patch of corn out yonder.

        • May 22, 2013 at 5:23 pm
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          My tomatos and Peppers & potatoes are coming in nicely. Damn rabits wont stay away from my straw berries. Seem to keep knocking down the fence. Could be the kids. Not sure as I work 10+ hours a day so I can pay for someone elses birth controll.

          Perhaps I should not say stuff like that. OBama might want to tax it too. Or maybe send the IRS after me.

          None the less, have a great Evening! I’m off to two different hospitals to visit both my parents.

          • May 23, 2013 at 8:58 am
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            Hope your folks are getting better, FFA. I know that has been hard on you.

          • May 23, 2013 at 12:16 pm
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            My dad got up (with two people helping hime) and he got 4 steps on his own on the parallel bars. Dont sound like much, but two week ago, I was dead lifting him.
            Mom bouncing back nicely.

            54 years for them today. Thats a number you dont hear often.

          • May 23, 2013 at 12:38 pm
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            Wow! Awesome. That’s as long as I’ve been alive! Congrats to them!

        • May 24, 2013 at 1:18 pm
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          FFA, Maybe the Cowboys will hire him to coach the linebackers. They certainly can use some help in that area. I think he will show up somewhere in the coaching ranks. He was outstanding. The Bears have been lucky to have some of the greatest linebackers in the history of the game.

          • May 24, 2013 at 2:06 pm
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            Briggs aint no slouch either. Overshadowed by Urlacher.

          • May 24, 2013 at 2:51 pm
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            Butkis was my favorite, Singletary was really good and Urlacher was the most versatile since he could drop back and make interceptions as well as handle running backs coming through the line or covering on screen passes.

    • May 23, 2013 at 4:42 pm
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      Libby, I am not sure there is a big enough prison to accommodate all the bad actors/criminals in this administration. Start in the basement with the Czars who are calling the shots, work your way up through the minions upstairs right to Valerie Jarrett and then go over to the departments, agency heads and their assistants. This is quite a nest to be cleaned out. Sunlight is the best disinfectant and bringing the wrongdoing into light will be revealing.

      • May 24, 2013 at 10:30 am
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        Agent, if there is wrongdoing I will be the first to condemn them and throw them in jail.

  • May 22, 2013 at 1:43 pm
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    fyi

    • May 23, 2013 at 4:31 pm
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      Good for you FFA. I hope your Mom & Dad continue to improve. My mother had a series of strokes and the last one left her in a semi coma for the last 6 months of her life. It was hard seeing her like that and that is no quality of life, believe me. I hope your parents can enjoy many more years together.

  • May 23, 2013 at 12:55 pm
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    Let me see…who can we strongarm into this farce? I know….H and R Block….because if they don’t give to Enroll America “as suggested” then their H and R Block prepared returns will be overly scrutinized by the IRS????? I think I’ll give H and R Block a buzz and let them know it sounds bad for business….

  • May 24, 2013 at 12:14 pm
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    On this Memorial Day, when we mourn the loss of some of our best and brightest and celebrate their sacrifice, it is worth remembering the values they sanctified with their lives, why our nation is unique in the history of the world, and what makes this country worth fighting for.

    The essence of America rests here – in the difference between saying, ‘I am my brother’s keeper’ and ‘I am my brother.’ It is the embodiment and actualization of the Golden Rule. In America when we are at our best, there is no “us” and “them.” There is only US.

    Happy Memorial Day everyone!

    • May 24, 2013 at 1:14 pm
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      Good post Libby. I certainly mourn for our best and brightest that made the ultimate sacrifice to protect our freedoms. I lost a great friend and old time agent I was associated with for many years. He was a pilot in the Army Air Force in both theatres of WW11 and was shot down twice on bombing raids against Germany and Japan. He was quite a guy and the stories he could tell would make your hair curl. They called the WW11 vets the greatest generation and I agree with them. That is why I fight so hard when I see what this country is sinking to and especially when I see government intruding, spying, and trying to control every aspect of our lives. That is not America and I hope you will realize what is going on at the highest levels of government and will switch sides.

      • May 28, 2013 at 10:47 am
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        I was so proud of my kids and grandkids this past weekend. They volunteered to go up to Moore, Ok to help the victims of this disaster. They cleared debris, cooked for people and provided any aid they could and the victims really appreciated it. They also met people from other states that also came in to help. One man was from Joplin, Mo and he had been helped when Joplin was struck so he was there to help Oklahoma recover. They will get back on their feet because Oklahomans are tough and resilient.

        • May 28, 2013 at 11:29 am
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          You raised some good ones, Agent!

          • May 28, 2013 at 3:51 pm
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            Thanks Libby, My son-in-law said there was very little evidence of FEMA up there. He said the Red Cross was useless and was selling donated goods. Hello! This is for the victims, not the coffers of the Red Cross. They have quite an overhead kind of like United Way. I have heard they still have a lot of that Sandy money that hasn’t been dispensed to those victims. I wouldn’t donate to either organization and prefer to give to church groups who will get the aid out to the victims.



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