Who among us think that the Recession was over by 2010? How many recovery summers have we had with no improvement? What policies did Obama put in place that has aided business to create jobs, change tax policy to stimulate rather than pure spending policy which only added to debt. The next thing to be tried is raising the retirement age for Social Security since $500 mil has been stolen to fund Obamacare. I have no friends who think they can retire at the normal age and many seniors are still working to supplement their pension, Social Security etc. Cost of living does not go down.
Yes, because its Obama’s fault americans don’t put money into savings each paycheck and money into my 401K. Anyone under the age of 35 who expects Social Security is anything other than an additional tax by the governement is living in a fairy tale. This has nothing to do with Obama BTW, we’ve known about this for over 20 years.
For those over 35 who are relying on social security as a sole source of income, or didn’t put money into a 401K or savings until they were 45, thats a tough deal but it nobody’s fault but your own. 60% of people in poverty now own a cell phone and a HDTV. Indivual circumstances regading employement or health be what they may but onone is in more control of ones own retirement nest egg than themselves. Put some money away, it doesn’t take much each month when you start early. I have co-workers who won’t even put 4% into their 401K to get the company match; how am I supposed to feel sorry for them when retirement comes and they don’t have anything.
Mike, I buy some of your premise but not all of it. The great recession has depleted a lot of savings of Americans, particularly the ones who lost their jobs and can’t find a decent job. Wages also have not increased in the past 4 years even though the cost of living has gone up. Millions of Americans have bought into the “Nanny State” that Obama has been installing for 6 years and that he will take care of them with “entitlements” so why bother to save? Those of us who have had retirement accounts and put into them for years will be better off. I don’t know how the younger families will put their kids through college these days since the costs have risen so dramatically in recent years. Scholarships and loans are used and the kid ends up owing a fortune and then they can’t get a job in the marketplace. A healthy vibrant economy would solve a lot of problems, but we are in the 6th year of Obama and it looks as bad as 2009.
Yes Mike, are you talking about the Free ObamaPhones? And the Free FREE FREE FREE everything else that Obama likes to give away and expects American’s to pay for on the backs of the (few) working class of this country? What money is left to put into savings??? We are paying to support millions of illegal’s now along with the folks that were already on govt. handouts. (Only the handouts are a lot more lucrative now.) Also I think you need to check your facts and figures Mike because the types of jobs that have been made available under the Obama administration have not come with 401k’s and company match. They come with the kind of health plans that are available under Obamacare if your hours aren’t cut down to the point where your employer doesn’t have to fire you to be able to afford to keep his/her business open.
Hey car, the Progressive Socialist Democratic Party earned the title of the new party of “NO” after the elections. They called Republicans the party of “NO” for opposing Obama’s leftist agenda for 6 years. Now, the lame ducks have defeated Keystone yet again which would have created 40,000 construction jobs. Even the unions wanted that since they need to put their workers to work. Mary Landrieu of La came late to the party and wanted it to help her bid to retain her seat and all the other liberals in the Senate shot her down. So long Mary. You can set up shop as a lobbyist in DC now since that is where you actually live now in your mansion. It will be passed in January and the President can be the President of “NO”.
It’s very difficult to take your rant seriously, car, when you start with misinformation. The free phones, that for whatever reason are called ObamaPhones, were started by G W Bush.
No. You wouldn’t name a prior law as a reason for a current one.
If you were logical you might call it a politician phone, or maybe a Bush W phone. This is the one time you can actually say it and I’ll let you because it’s right.
But saying a Reagan phone when the majority of people use the free cell phones, is a bit like saying Reagan forced the actions of another president which he didn’t.
These laws aren’t worth arguing over.
The conservatives that are bringing it up are meh.
November 20, 2014 at 10:52 am
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Hey car – don’t you mean the free REAGAN phones. You’d better do some research, pal.
In addition, because we give amnesty to children that were brought here illegally and have lived here ALL THEIR LIVES does in no way mean we are “supporting” them. I know many illegals that work harder than I’m sure you’ve ever worked in your life.
Most of the “handouts” you’re talking about are being given to American citizens, not illegals.
Get your facts straight before you spout off again chum.
I have no issue with the free phone being a land line in the home. You get 1 phone that way, not a phone per person in the house which is happening now, it can’t be taken to the sell your phone here kiosk at Walmart or the Mall and traded in for a little cash. It serves the purpose of an emergency phone. No texting, no data involved in looking at your facebook account. If you want all that, then it is up to you to buy a phone, otherwise, be happy with a free land line. That’s what the program was supposed to be. Maybe congress can pass a revision to this. I think the vast majority of America would get behind a simple 1 page bill saying the free phone program is for land lines only and that all mobile phones previously given out will be deactivated in 60 days. Save us billions a year.
Perhaps you should have looked up what comes with your free government phone before posting. I did. It comes with 250 minutes per month. Period. No texting or internet. And from the looks of it, I doubt you’d bet anything for it at the kiosk. It’s pretty bare bones.
I see no difference between a land line and a cell phone. Cell is better for emergencies.
Yeah, how about cell phones that can only dial 911? If they want more, they can find a job. Plenty of green jobs out there.
November 21, 2014 at 11:40 am
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Kinda hard to find a flippin job without a phone, pal.
November 25, 2014 at 2:26 pm
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I’m kind of torn on the phone issue. I know of a situation where great bodily harm would have come to a very young girl had she not had the “Obama / Reagan ” phone. This young gal is like a niece to me. Had I been there, the Demorini would have come out of the closet and you would have seen me on the news…. This gal has been removed from the situation so….
It’s a little easier to be tolerant when it starts hitting close to home. Too bad most people haven’t had the same type of experience. They might have more empathy.
November 25, 2014 at 2:48 pm
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Too Bad???? I wish I never had it… It was ugly and I hated hearing about it especially the person involved. A Bat upside his head would have had an impact. Waiting to see what a few years in jail did to his attitude.
November 25, 2014 at 3:05 pm
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Yes, it’s too bad that that’s what it takes for some people to put themselves in another person’s shoes and have some empathy. Not everyone has it as good as we do, FFA.
@102.
Great stats. However, you ommitted a few-like how many people aren’t being counted as unemployed after 2 years, or how many people are working 2 or even 3 jobs and still can’t earn as much as they did under Bush. Or even how average household income is less than it was under Bush.
Lets face it, this wasn’t a recession, but rather a depression and Obama is no FDR. We aren’t out of it yet and I think that we have years to go before we truly recover and its too bad that we have to wait another 2 years for some Republican leadership that can create a more business friendly environment instead of the neo socialism practiced by Obama over the last 6 years.
As far as your points, you are not being forthright. The economy has grown faster and people have been better off under DEMOCRATIC presidents than REPUBLICAN presidents. Please read below. If you do not believe, this Faux business has a similar link that I can send to you.
Regarding Obama, many of his significant measures went to ameliorate the effects of the economic downturn. The country was better off by taking actions on his legislation than doing nothing. If you do not believe me, take it from the Congressional Budget Office. The link is below.
It is time you went with Agent to your local library and read this information instead of getting all your information from Faux News and Rush Limbaugh. Moreover, you will stop making silly spelling mistakes. It is “omitted” and NOT “ommitted”. Your sentence structure at best is pathetic.
Speaking of your corpulent leader (Limbaugh), please act like him. Take your oxycontin, and lie down.
Newsflash 102. Your stats from leftist sites are as bogus as Gruber lying about Obamacare. No transparency and the big lie is all exposed for everyone to see. 0 Credibility!
Yawn! It is time for you to …. start thinking for yourself.
Left wing sites? I do not call the CBO left wing. It is non-partisan and offers objective analysis.
Well, if you want to call CBS left-wing, so be it. Here is the same information which states that the economy performed better under Democratic presidents than Republican presidents from 1901-present. If you do not believe Faux Business News and National Review, you will not trust anyone. These sources are for from being in the cradle of the liberal media. I am posting the links so that you, Agent and nuff sed can read for yourselves. I do not want the three of you to be embarassed again by making factually incorrect statements. http://www.foxbusiness.com/investing/2012/09/04/history-shows-markets-gdp-outperform-under-democrats/
This is great. You should save some of these for Bob, he’s got a particular aversion to reality.
November 24, 2014 at 2:44 pm
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Are you still butt hurt that I slammed you with links showing a methodology, instead of links that give you a conclusion?
You should learn how to make a methodology for yourself, instead of being a drone.
You act like I’m clueless when I put forth a horde of facts.
I am not clueless. You are free to disagree with me only if you debate facts. If you disagree just calling me clueless you are not.
November 24, 2014 at 2:53 pm
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Hey Stan,
He needs to show me things right?
I just showed the other side of the CBO he didn’t show, and didn’t know.
Then I showed the measures that matter with unemployment rates.
Which you don’t know, and don’t show.
I’m stupid right?
This recovery is totally better than Reagan’s isn’t it? *Sarcasm alert*
I can crush you in any argument, because of two reasons:
I don’t use other people’s conclusions.
I use a multitude of sources to confirm details, and then make my own methodology, which is superior to that of pundits.
You need to learn to listen without some hip agenda of being right. This is our country. Act like it and show responsibility.
You have a degree. Research as if you were doing a math class. Math classes don’t go off of theory unless the methodology matches up.
You show theory and conclusions of other people reviewing the data and methodology.
Anyone can play around with stats that someone else made to come to a conclusion.
It’s all about the methodology. The CBO also said that the stimulus would harm the economy in the long run.
You are cherry picking.
Regarding presidents, this relies entirely on how you weigh improvements. For example: If you compare Obama and Reagan on the unemployment rate, they look about equal.
If you however note the labor participation rate in conjunction with the unemployment rate, you will find the unemployment rate only went down with Obama because the labor participation rate went down.
With Reagan it was a true recovery, with both going up. This mean the jobs were actually lowering the unemployment rate, instead of the amount of people working lowering the unemployment rate.
It is a matter of the measure. Reagan’s turn around on the economy is the best in modern history if you look at the right numbers.
I didn’t mention anything to do with those measures, you piece of trash. Thank you for “playing”. Are you ready to be crushed?
I mentioned your numbers for a reason. I stay on topic when debating.
And sorry, no, he was not a Keynesian politician. He had a democrat congress, they happen to be Keynesian. Meaning they were ok with his tax cuts but not his spending cuts.
The inflation adjusted deficits shrunk to 2.5% under Reagan by comparison to his predecessor Carter.
You forget he had proposed budget cuts and couldn’t get them.
Reagan wanted only one type of increased spending, and that was defense. Even in that, that was not a concern spending wise and would not make him Keynesian as it had nothing to do with the belief that higher spending helps the economy. It has to do with winning the cold war. Which he did efficiently.
What democrats forced, and what Reagan proposed are a different story.
Moron.
This is easy to find. Grow up and learn to read.
November 24, 2014 at 5:07 pm
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Insurance 102:
I must also mention, the 5.8% rate is not accurate. If the labor participation rate goes down, the unemployment rate is down due to there being less people working in the workforce.
The unemployment rate is not down due to more jobs or an economic fix. We are still teetering on the edge. Many of Obama’s programs are causing this. Like oh say, increasing the cost of housing, and relying on low interest rates to keep the housing market going. What happens when we can’t keep the rate low, considering pay hasn’t gone up, and Obama made sure that housing prices surpassed what they were in 2007? Another crash, which I’m sure you will blame on republicans and deregulation.
During Reagan the unemployment rate did go down at the same time as labor participation going up. Look it up.
You need to go into remedial economics. Do you deny what I just said is true about the unemployment rate?
This is old. You’re the idiot. Not me.
Thanks for playing, and ROFLWMDHOLAB!!!!!!
(IDIOT!)
November 25, 2014 at 12:01 pm
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Lol Bob, that is so cute. Insurance 102 crushed you. Looks like you met someone with a 3pt mind. He might even bench more than you too.
November 24, 2014 at 4:17 pm
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Bob – maybe you are the one cherry picking. The labor participation rate has gone down for a number or reasons, many that have nothing to do with the recession.
The amount in the 55 and older age group in the work force has jumped, the amount of people in the 25-54 has dropped. Baby boomers are not the reason.
November 25, 2014 at 12:03 pm
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Babyboomers cant retire? What a shame, considering they had three decades of unprecedented prosperity, with which they promptly destroyed, leaving the ruins to their kids.
Babyboomers not saving for retirement is the problem. Maybe you shouldnt be such a taker and moocher, Bob? Dont be so lazy, pull your own weight.
November 25, 2014 at 12:38 pm
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Stan – I’m 56. I’m too young to retire. Believe me, I can’t wait to do so and leave the reins to you guys. Just give me 3-1/2 years. It’s all about the health insurance.
November 25, 2014 at 1:02 pm
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Its almost like you need universal healthcare, since otherwise you would be tied to your job, preventing the labor market from flowing efficiently. Man, what a shocker.
November 25, 2014 at 1:06 pm
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Exactly. I wanted universal care. Unfortunately we got the ACA. Don’t forget, I’m on your side.
November 25, 2014 at 4:47 pm
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Stan, Stan, Stan. You say the Baby Boomers had three decades of unprecedented prosperity and then left everything in ruin????? Perhaps you took no History courses at all while getting three degrees. Enter Jimmy Carter who laid waste to the economy in four short years. Inflation was rampant, economic malaise with no jobs, an energy plan of just turn the thermostats down and wear a sweater. That was a Democrat, by the way. Of course, Obama went sailing right by him as a terrible President. No, Babyboomers didn’t ruin this country for the younger generation unless you are counting Progressive Babyboomer politicians who implemented much of the disaster we have today.
November 25, 2014 at 4:59 pm
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Agent, that is a remarkable recollection of American history. In 1977, the DOW was 894. It closed at 932 in 1981. Conversely, the only time in American history where there has been a 10yr period where the DOW did not end up ahead was under Bush. Ever.
You just flat out dont knwo what youre talking about bro. You really dont. Accept it and move out of Texas to California and be an adult. They even have anti-texting laws. You will love it.
November 24, 2014 at 4:19 pm
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In addition, not mentioned in the link I provided, is the fact that millions of jobs have been outsourced to overseas, so there are less jobs available to us. All of these things need to be factored when comparing labor participation rates 30 years ago to today.
I don’t care about the WHY I care that during Reagan the labor participation rate fell and then shot back up, while unemployment rates went down.
During Obama, who has control to stop what you just mentioned and you seem to state it as something that just happens randomly,
The labor participation rate dropped equally, and suddenly. And has not gone back up.
The results are shockingly similar. Nothing has randomly changed since fast enough during the recession to make a labor participation rate not bounce back up, other than this president is doing the wrong things to get it back up.
End of story.
November 24, 2014 at 4:53 pm
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You can’t just dismiss the fact that there are less jobs available now than there were even 7 years ago. They have been shipped overseas by the millions. If you had a job, lost it because of the recession, and your company moved it overseas to save money, it would not be there for you to return to.
How is that not a valid point? Less jobs available, lower participation rate. It’s common sense. And there is nothing RANDOM about it.
November 24, 2014 at 4:56 pm
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I can’t? I can and will.
It dropped just as suddenly as with Reagan. Can I use that to say the labor participation didn’t drop with Reagan too? Or does that just apply for Obama? Double standards eh Libby?
We’ve been shipping jobs over seas some time.
You say over the last 7 years. It happened all at once. Did all the jobs suddenly go over seas?
N0!
It dropped with a recession. From there, it is a matter if those jobs come back. They haven’t. The labor participation rate is down. Obama has failed.
Say the words. I’m tired of you refusing to acknowledge he failed. So Obama doesn’t have the ability to stop jobs from going over seas then?
It is some paranormal fluke activity just for him? Grow up for God’s sakes!
November 24, 2014 at 5:11 pm
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So let me see if I understand this right:
You’re unwilling to give Reagan credit for having both the labor participation rate go down, while the unemployment rate goes down,
But you are perfectly willing to give excuses to Obama, blame everything else for why the economy isn’t better, and shrug off the lower labor participation rate and say that’s just the way it is supposed to be?
It isn’t. If we don’t make this better our whole system will collapse. Reagan fixed it in his time. Obama hasn’t.
November 25, 2014 at 10:15 am
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Listen up, Bob. I’m sick and tired of you putting words in my mouth. At no time did I say I didn’t credit Reagan with what he did.
What I said, read very slowly and carefully here, is that you can’t compare Reagan’s recession 35 years ago with what is happening today. It’s apples and oranges.
And if you won’t recognize there are fewer jobs to be had because of outsourcing, which contributes to the low participation rate, then you are just the moron here. Not everyone else.
P.S. Glad to see you’re back to your rude, arrogant, self-righteous self. That Jesus act didn’t last long.
November 25, 2014 at 12:08 pm
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Libby, you forget that Bob is legitimately a first class moron. At least FFA and, to a lesser extent Agent, adhere to a world view that, at one time, made sense. Granted the world moved on and it’s no longer 1980, but you can at least understand where their positions come from, no matter how out of touch with modern day reality they are.
Bob on the other hand is just your run-of-the-mill fool. Enjoy him for what he is.
November 25, 2014 at 12:40 pm
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To be honest, I don’t enjoy him at all.
November 25, 2014 at 2:35 pm
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Well Stan, if it aint broke…. OfnBama broke the health insurance system and made it worse. So, if your going to break the system, you darn well better improve it. Its not my generations fault you have to pay higher health premiums to subsidize my generation. That’s all on OfnBama.
OfnBama is more worried about Immigration and Ferguson then he is worried about getting our jobs back home. Granted, he wasn’t part of the process that let them walk out of the country, but he is certainly in a position to bring them back and he hasn’t.
November 25, 2014 at 2:36 pm
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Might I add Stan, I think it sucks the way he shifted that Burdon. He did that. Cant blame anyone but him.
November 25, 2014 at 2:43 pm
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FFA, if you think that the health insurance industry was working just fine prior to Obamacare, well I don’t know what to tell you because that is ridiculous on its face. Obamacare expanded access but did not constrain costs. Flawed? Of course. Better that what was there before? Absolutely.
November 25, 2014 at 2:54 pm
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Ive said it before Stan. I’ll say it again. I do believe the Health System needs work… It needed to be made better. Instead, cost have soared. People lost coverage they were told they could keep. People had to change doctors when they were told they would not have to. You are paying more so I can pay less. Service at the carrier level has declined.
How is this better then what we had?
November 25, 2014 at 3:07 pm
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It’s not better. For you. It’s alot better for others that had no coverage before.
November 25, 2014 at 3:09 pm
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Its better because it has expanded coverage, now including millions of americans that were unable to see a doctor for a myriad of reasons (poor, pre-existing conditions, etc).
Had the democrats passed universal coverage, or rather, just expanded medicaid to everyone, you would actually see downward price pressure on the markets since people would have a viable alternative.
This is not theory, man. Look at Canada. Or the EU. Or literally EVERY SINGLE OTHER DEVELOPED NATION on the planet. We are the richest nation with the highest wealth gab and you dont want to provide coverage because $1mm+ incomes shouldnt pay more.
That is outrageous. Its foolish for you and borderline criminal to me.
November 25, 2014 at 3:15 pm
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FFA is still holding onto hope that he will become one of those +$1M earners and doesn’t want to have to pay more once he gets there.
Forget the $1M. That’s chump change these days. How about the 1%ers? They could fund the whole damn think and never notice a difference in their portfolio.
November 25, 2014 at 4:13 pm
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Libby, when I lose hope, I may as well head off to the nursing home… I aim to provide for my family. Anything over that is a bonus.
Interesting thing on history channel about the worlds Billionaires. 90% of them grew up in poverty. All self made. So when someone spouts off about privileged – coming from money, if the History Channel is correct – no so. Founder of Dominos is one of my favorite examples. Orphaned. Full time job while full time school saw a need and filled it. Unfortunately it ruined the Insurance Market for food delivery, but he can afford to pay it. Another one of my favs, Jimmy Graham.
November 25, 2014 at 4:40 pm
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To put it in perspective, FFA, he wealthiest 1 percent held an average of 225 times the wealth of the average median household in 2009 — a ratio that was 125 in 1962.
In 2014 Forbes global wealth team found a record 1,645 billionaires with an aggregate net worth of $6.4 trillion, up from $5.4 trillion a year ago.
Many of these MAY have started their own companies and built their own wealth, but about 1/3 of them did not.
November 26, 2014 at 10:38 am
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Libby, I don’t carry a grudge against people for making all the money they can.
November 24, 2014 at 6:28 pm
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@bob
Yawn! It is 6:30, and I am on the subway home.
Here is a quick lesson on macroeconomics. The Fed has announced they will stop quantitative easing and begin slowly to raise interest rates. The result? The markets have continued to go up. The market has not crash and burned as you stated.
As for Reagan, he relied on the Laffer curve–which is a big laugh. Trickle down economics simply did not work. If you look at those who received tax cuts, they simply saved the money and did not put in the economy (similar to the tax cuts that happened under George W Bush). It did not make a difference as money did not go to people who would have put this money back into the economy (i.e. spent it). By doing this, they would have generated more economic activity (jobs, growth, investment, etc).
If you do not believe me, look at Forbes. Forbes is hardly a left wing newspaper. Its editor has even sought the Republican presidential nomination. When comparing (apples for apples) the economy that Reagan inherited versus Obama, Obama’s policies have created more jobs, higher economic growth and greater stock market growth.
This benefits not just the wealthy-but upper middle class and working families who have 401K’s and a substantial stake in how the S&P and other market indexes function.
Enough of this. Just two statements, after reading the Forbes article I hope you agree with me that if you want to live like a Republican, vote for a Democrat. Also, please act like your venerated leader (Reagan). Fall asleep at work, and leave the important work for other people to handle.
Bob has links though! And a methodology! Dont you dare come with facts to a methodology fight!
November 25, 2014 at 4:13 pm
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Bob, I read an interesting article today on Townhall on how the young Millenials are brainwashed into liberal thinking. They go to school and are exposed to liberal professors who espouse leftist ideology and then later they only go to leftist websites who hate Conservatives, call them racists, haters, 1%ers etc. They never learn the Conservative point of view on anything. Hence, we have the likes of Stan, Ins102, Ron who keep bombarding us with their leftist point of view. Fox can’t follow one story and have actual interviews and facts without being called Faux News. It is amazing the amount of hate in this country. I commend you for putting them in their place even if they downthumb you and call you names for your presentation of real facts. Libby, she really doesn’t have the same excuse. She is just hateful and insulting.
Agent, you do realize that but for gerrymandered districts, the country as a whole would be predominantly more liberal and progressive? The illusion you have is that most of the country agrees with you. They dont. This is why you cannot win national elections, instead you can simply obstruct.
The nation as a whole is literally waiting for you all to die off so that we can move forward. Crass and mean, yes. But truthful. You could at least do your part and try not to deserve it.
November 25, 2014 at 4:43 pm
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Wasn’t this the same Fox News where Karl Rove refused to admit that Obama had beat Romney and sealed his re-election? Alternatively, is this the Fox News that Michael Barone predicted that Romney would win two days before the election.
As far as 1% ers, Libby is right. You will find a larger number of this population in blue states than red states. Their tax revenue helps to subsidize white trash in Texico.
Time to stop posting, and get back to work agent!
Thank you come again!
November 25, 2014 at 6:23 pm
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That’s enough bashing IL 102… No wait, OfnBama is from here. Keep going. We deserve it. Love how the networks didn’t broadcast his plan to pardon millions of criminals.
November 20, 2014 at 9:52 am
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Of course, there are some of us that could retire but like working. Put another way, our wives/husbands like us working.
You are right Wally. There is a difference between an employee retiring after years of service and getting a gold watch and a business owner of a going concern. It does get very complicated in an Independent Agency with multiple owners and attorney’s drawing up buy-sell agreements, interests etc.
You just had to get that in there, didn’t you Agent. What the hell does being an agency owner v. a worker have to do with when you have enough funds to retire? Unless you haven’t had enough brains to put a perpetuation plan in place… Oh! I guess I answered my own question.
Libby, the queen of insults and butting in to other peoples conversations. I wasn’t butting into your conversation, but commenting on Wally’s post. Are you insulting my work over a number of years? What kind of retirement plan do you have in place? It couldn’t be much since you are counting on your husband to keep working. It must be hard to retire in a Blue State with higher taxes, higher cost of living for just about everything.
The red states are slowly coming “purple” and then “blue”. States that used to be solid red states are now blue (ex. Virginia) or purple (Nevada, Colorado and Florida). Hence, I give Hillary 237 solid electoral votes with a Republican challenger having 155 electoral votes.
The 237 votes do not include states like Virginia and Wisconsin which I believe would favor Hillary or another Democrat in 2016. This means that the Republicans would have to literally run the table in “purple” states to have a chance to win the presidency. These are objective facts Agent.
Your party has to change its image and put forth a candidate that can compete in this new America. Otherwise, the only time the Republicans will be in the White House will be on the 25 cent public tour!
November 20, 2014 at 12:18 pm
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I’m not insulting your work, Agent. Just highlighting your arrogance. The fact that you constantly have to remind people that you are businessowner and not a “peon” is really rather pathetic. Yes, we all know what a big shot you are.
I will be retiring at 59-1/2. How about you? My retirement funds are more than adequate to support me. My husband will keep working for awhile: 1) because he wants to and 2) because he’ll be out of my hair. We will be very comfortable in our old age together, thank you for your concern.
November 20, 2014 at 12:20 pm
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Oh! And at least my blue state isn’t a blood-sucking leech off the government like Texico and the rest of the red states. We pay our fair share and yours, too.
November 20, 2014 at 2:23 pm
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I have been confused on something for some time now. Agent has always said he is from Texas. Why on earth do you all keep posting that he is from Il. Besides that, you all keep referring to Texico as being a red state when IL is (was) a Blue state.
November 20, 2014 at 2:35 pm
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FFA – if you’re serious, that was really cute. Texico and in Texas/Mexico. The third-world state of the U.S.
November 20, 2014 at 2:41 pm
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Oh…I thought you were referring to Texico, IL. A small Farming Community in Central IL.. Drive by it every time I have to go to Peoria, IL.
November 20, 2014 at 3:14 pm
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I figured that out after I googled Texico, IL. LOL!
November 20, 2014 at 5:50 pm
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Yes 102. We noticed how purple Texas became in the last election. Total sweep of the Progressive Democratic Party and the biggest landslide in the Governor’s race in history. Wendy Davis lost by almost one million votes. Her War on Women approach was disastrous to say the least. We hope she moves to friendlier Pennsylvania and Libby can console her.
November 20, 2014 at 1:36 pm
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Off Topic… Haven’t seen any post from Ron. If your there, wondering if your dug out yet??
Bobs around, we know that cause he always is. Ron is getting blasted by the Global Warming effect that has set record snow fall for a season before turkey day. I like snow, but they are talking 8 feet already.
FFA, Ron’s house is covered and he can’t get out of the door or go down the street with all that fresh Global Warming snow. Assuming it stops in the next week, he may be able to leave. By the way, Libby seems to think Texas is dragging the country down. Texas has created more jobs than the entire N/E put together including her Pennsylvania. That is why so many companies have relocated here including State Farm with their huge expansion in the metroplex. Reason: No State Income tax and incentives the state, counties, cities to encourage the move to a friendlier business climate. We also have a better weather environment than the frozen tundra states. We were in the 60’s today.
Happy Friday! This is the problem with conservative math. Did I say that Texas was a purple state? No! Of the states with the largest electoral vote, it is the only red state.
Texas-38 electoral votes
However, the largest and fourth states with regards to electoral votes are New York and California. We can safely assume these are solidly blue states.
New York and California-84 electoral votes
Florida is swing state, but it is tilting towards the Democratic column as the demographics change.
Pennsylvania and Illinois are tied for the fifth biggest electoral prize (20 electoral votes each). Both are strong blue states.
Pennsylvania and Illinois-40 electoral votes
Simple math (84+40)>38
Can you understand now why I say that the Republicans have to sweep all the purple states? The Democratic candidate has 237 of the 270 electoral votes in their column with spending little or no money.
For that, I am sure to surrender Texas.
It is time you went on the library tour with Agent, nuff sed and yawn. When you read a little more and stop listening to Rush “Pillsbury Boy” Limbaugh, you will stop making inane comments on this website.
Gee 102, I must be getting color blind. I could have sworn the map on election night was bright red with all the House, Senate, Governors, State Houses & Senates races being called early in the evening for Republicans. Pelosi lost 15 more seats, Reid lost his majority leadership (thank God)with loss of at least 9 seats after Landrieu is sent packing. I think the tide has turned now and Progressive liberalism is on the run after all the lies and deceit came out on their plots and horrible governance nationwide. Even Libby voted Republican this time which is a huge shock.
“Even Libby voted Republican this time which is a huge shock.” It’s not a huge shock to anyone but you, Agent. Everyone that knows me knows I vote for the right person for the job, not the party. Unlike you, I think for myself.
Libby, what makes you think Obama was the right one for President given what we know now about his performance? You used to say you thought he was honest and trustworthy. Is your atrophied brain still telling you that? You were truly the low information voter twice. That is truly telling.
Libby, if you had your thinking cap on in 2008 and 2012 and actually vetted this man that the media didn’t, you would never have voted for him to start with. He talked a good game campaigning and I thought I could give him the benefit of the doubt, but when he told Joe the Plumber that he had to spread the wealth around, that did it for me. It has gone downhill rapidly from there. You know what, his approval rating reflects the distrust America has for this man. Lying 6 years straight will do that everytime. How could you be that blind?
Agent – how many times do I have to tell you Obama was not my choice. I wanted Hillary in office. I was all set to vote for McCain until he put shit-for-brains on the ticket. That did it for me. As for Romney, no-one with half a brain would have voted for him. He was 10 times worse than Obama. It was a lose/lose and I chose the lesser of the two evils.
Get a good candidate for 2016 and I’ll consider him/her. If not, Hillary’s got my vote.
4th Marriage……
A woman who had been married three times walked into a bridal shop one day and told the sales clerk that she was looking for a wedding gown for her fourth wedding.
“Of course, madam,” replied the sales clerk, “exactly what type and color dress are you looking for?”
The bride to be said, “A long frilly white dress with a veil.”
The sales clerk hesitated a bit, then said, “Please don’t take this the wrong way, but gowns of that nature are considered more appropriate for brides who are being married the first time – for those who are a bit more innocent, if you know what I mean? Perhaps ivory or sky blue would be nice?”
“Well,” replied the customer, a little peeved at the clerk’s directness, “I can assure you that a white gown would be quite appropriate. Believe it or not, despite all my marriages, I remain as innocent as a first-time bride. You see, my first husband was so excited about our wedding, he died as we were checking into our honey moon hotel. My second husband and I got into such a terrible fight in the limo on our way to our honeymoon hotel that we had that wedding annulled immediately and never spoke to each other again.”
“What about your third husband?” asked the sales clerk.
“That one was a Democrat,” said the woman, “and every night for four years, he just sat on the edge of the bed and told me how good it was going to be — but nothing ever happened.”
Marriage Customs….
For centuries, Hindu women have worn a dot on their foreheads. Most of us have naively thought this was connected with tradition or religion, but the Indian embassy in Ottawa has revealed the true story.
When an Indian woman gets married, she brings a dowry into the union. On her wedding night, the husband gets to scratch off the dot to see if he won a convenience store, a gas station, a donut shop, a taxi cab or a motel in the US. If nothing is underneath, he must remain in India to answer phones and provide Verizon technical support.
Wow! I guess Mikey Rooker and you are the clear cut favorite for the most culturally ignorant and naive comments of the year.
As someone who is of East Indian origin, the engineer who designed the computer, mobile phone, etc which you sent your message was probably Indian. If you look at companies like Apple and Google (who could both become TRILLION dollar value companies with regard to valuation), these entities have such a large number of Indian employees they have a cafeteria on their corporate campuses that only makes Indian food (whether vegetarian or non-vegetarian and with options ranging from Gujurati, Kerala, Punjabi to cusine from Andrha Pradesh). Before you embarass yourself again, look where these places are on a map.
These companies view it not as a cost but as an investment to attract and keep the best talent at their company.
As far as other professions, I hope you do not get sick. If you do, the doctor that treats you stands a fairly good chance to be East Indian or from the Indian subcontinent.
I really feel sorry for you Freedom. I guess we have to push up the library tour and the remedial learning for you, Mikey, nuff said and FFA.
More Bad News for IL…
Was at a funeral yesterday. Chatting up one of the relatives that lives in AZ, he stated that his company is currently constructing new Corp HQ for State Farm… All this gong on while Quinn is asleep at the wheel.
Well FFA, I am sure if State Farm is moving it’s headquarters, it will be all over this blog soon. The libs will be blaming them for just looking out for their profits and killing jobs in Illinois. They already moved a lot of jobs to DFW.
By the way, your Bears seem to have righted the ship and won their second in a row. Dallas and Denver barely squeaked by the Giants and Miami. Did you see the catch Odell Beckham, Jr made on Dallas? The announcers said it was the greatest catch they ever saw, one handed and pretty much impossible since he was interfered with on the play. That kid has some hands.
Of course, no one will believe its part of rate control – less over head equates to lower premiums…
How soon to Country Mutual and All State do the same? Sears already threatened it (moving Corporate) several years back and the State took action to save them jobs. Guess 15000+ is ok to lose.
I did see that catch. I don’t think that guy is human as no one should be able to pull that one off. I’ll bet he is gonna be drafted real high in FF leagues next year…
The Bear beat Minn & the Bucs. Nothing to brag about… Not much to get excited in Chicago Sports for now. Maybe the Black Hawks. On the Bulls, Rose seems to be a part time player.
FFA, I have a good friend who is a big LSU fan all the way. He said Beckham got into some trouble while in college or he may have been a #1 pick. The Giants took a chance on him and so far it is paying off, at least until he gets in trouble. How did you like his “do”? Pretty creative, don’t you think?
Do we have another Jerry Rice on our hands or another one like Hernandez from NE in the works? At least he can pay his student loans….
As far as his “do”, I wish I had the hair to do that. I wouldn’t as its just not my style. But it beats the Horse Shoe look. I could easily pull off the Larry Fine. Curly easy enough. Moe… Cant do that “Do”.
FFA, I don’t think you would sell much insurance if you walked into a prospects office with a “do” like Beckam has.
I hope Beckham doesn’t follow the lead of Adrian Peterson and have 6 kids with 6 different women in three states and then get into trouble. I think his career may be over since he can’t get re-instated anytime soon and the clock is ticking on his career.
Well FFA, the Cowboys might have signed him, but they already have Demarco Murray who has kept is nose clean and goes out and does his thing week after week. I keep knocking on wood that he will finish the year injury free since that has held him back several times in prior years.
November 25, 2014 at 3:26 pm
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FFA, before I forget it, I would like to wish you and your family a very Happy Thanksgiving. I know you have had a rough year in many ways and I admire you for hanging in there. In spite of what is going on, we still live in the best country in the world. We could have been born in a third world country and never had a chance to be free, succeed in business and provide for our family in a way most people in the world could never imagine.
November 25, 2014 at 3:37 pm
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You could have been born in Kenya, at least then you could still be a great President and a hero to the world.
November 25, 2014 at 4:43 pm
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Thanks Agent. I hope all is well with you and you have a great Thanksgiving Day too. Looking forward to some football…. About 9 hours of it to be exact. Don’t know how my wife is gonna handle things. She took another fall on Sat and was flat on her back rest of the day and Sunday. She finally starting moving around yesterday and got a bog pop out of it early this AM. Thank god for family.
November 25, 2014 at 5:35 pm
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FFA, It was good to see Stan admit his hero President was born in Kenya after all. He is a birther and didn’t even know it with all his degrees. I wonder what he says about the Connecticut Social, whether he applied for student loans as a foreign student, what name he used on his passport when he traveled to Pakistan etc. Why are all his education records sealed? What a mystery man
I guess you are slightly ahead of Freedom, Bob and FFAfor the most inept and least intelligent poster on Insurance Journal.
Wow. Are you still one of the birthers that hold on to the fact that Obama was born in Kenya? The Donald has even withdrawn this farce of a request. Information revealed to the Donald and well before clearly show that he was born in Hawaii. This was after Hawaii became the 50th state in the Union!
If you are a birther, what are your thoughts about Ted “Calgary” Cruz? Mr Cruz wants to run for President, but he was born in Calgary. However, he is an American citizen as his mother was an American citizen at the time of his birth. Any thoughts?
As for travelling to Pakistan, Obama did travel to Pakistan before becoming President. He travelled as a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee!
As far as his education records being sealed, Obama served as editor of the Harvard Law Review. In order to be eligible for the Harvard Law Review, one must be in the top 5-7% of their class. After this, they are selected on basis of a scholarly article. I don’t know Mikey. But one who is at the top of their class at Harvard law school and can write a scholarly article that can be accepted in front of some of the most talented law faculty in the world sounds pretty impressive to me.
Time to read up Mikey. You really embarass yourself when you post uniformed rants like this. Do you this on all your postings all day?
Hey FFA. I guess the Cowboys and Bears will be getting together on Thursday on the frozen tundra of Soldier Field. I promise not to get mad if the Bears beat them. They stunk it up pretty bad against the Eagles and clearly just didn’t have it after playing a night game on the East coast on Sunday and the lack of adequate preparation time showed up. No gas in the tank.
Yes, I saw some of the Bears game while we were preparing dinner. Detroit is a good team, but there is something lacking with the Bears. I think they made a mistake getting rid of Lovie after he had success. I am assuming you are referring to the SF Harbaugh rather than the Baltimore Harbaugh. Either Harbaugh would be an upgrade to Trestman. They are probably a few good draft choices and a good coach away from contending.
I was referring to JIm. He started his pro career in Chicago. Reports are he is not wanted in SF any more. Don’t know why.
Chicago is missing a defense all the way around. No pressure on the QB, a depleted LB core and the D’s back field are nothing to be feared any more. Got old fast. Since Urlacher is gone….
Who among us think that the Recession was over by 2010? How many recovery summers have we had with no improvement? What policies did Obama put in place that has aided business to create jobs, change tax policy to stimulate rather than pure spending policy which only added to debt. The next thing to be tried is raising the retirement age for Social Security since $500 mil has been stolen to fund Obamacare. I have no friends who think they can retire at the normal age and many seniors are still working to supplement their pension, Social Security etc. Cost of living does not go down.
Yes, because its Obama’s fault americans don’t put money into savings each paycheck and money into my 401K. Anyone under the age of 35 who expects Social Security is anything other than an additional tax by the governement is living in a fairy tale. This has nothing to do with Obama BTW, we’ve known about this for over 20 years.
For those over 35 who are relying on social security as a sole source of income, or didn’t put money into a 401K or savings until they were 45, thats a tough deal but it nobody’s fault but your own. 60% of people in poverty now own a cell phone and a HDTV. Indivual circumstances regading employement or health be what they may but onone is in more control of ones own retirement nest egg than themselves. Put some money away, it doesn’t take much each month when you start early. I have co-workers who won’t even put 4% into their 401K to get the company match; how am I supposed to feel sorry for them when retirement comes and they don’t have anything.
I am 52. when I was in High School, Economics Class was say this. So, over 20, make that over 30 years.
Correction to the amount of money taken from the Social Security Trust Fund. It was $500 Billion.
Mike, I buy some of your premise but not all of it. The great recession has depleted a lot of savings of Americans, particularly the ones who lost their jobs and can’t find a decent job. Wages also have not increased in the past 4 years even though the cost of living has gone up. Millions of Americans have bought into the “Nanny State” that Obama has been installing for 6 years and that he will take care of them with “entitlements” so why bother to save? Those of us who have had retirement accounts and put into them for years will be better off. I don’t know how the younger families will put their kids through college these days since the costs have risen so dramatically in recent years. Scholarships and loans are used and the kid ends up owing a fortune and then they can’t get a job in the marketplace. A healthy vibrant economy would solve a lot of problems, but we are in the 6th year of Obama and it looks as bad as 2009.
Yes Mike, are you talking about the Free ObamaPhones? And the Free FREE FREE FREE everything else that Obama likes to give away and expects American’s to pay for on the backs of the (few) working class of this country? What money is left to put into savings??? We are paying to support millions of illegal’s now along with the folks that were already on govt. handouts. (Only the handouts are a lot more lucrative now.) Also I think you need to check your facts and figures Mike because the types of jobs that have been made available under the Obama administration have not come with 401k’s and company match. They come with the kind of health plans that are available under Obamacare if your hours aren’t cut down to the point where your employer doesn’t have to fire you to be able to afford to keep his/her business open.
Hey car, the Progressive Socialist Democratic Party earned the title of the new party of “NO” after the elections. They called Republicans the party of “NO” for opposing Obama’s leftist agenda for 6 years. Now, the lame ducks have defeated Keystone yet again which would have created 40,000 construction jobs. Even the unions wanted that since they need to put their workers to work. Mary Landrieu of La came late to the party and wanted it to help her bid to retain her seat and all the other liberals in the Senate shot her down. So long Mary. You can set up shop as a lobbyist in DC now since that is where you actually live now in your mansion. It will be passed in January and the President can be the President of “NO”.
It’s very difficult to take your rant seriously, car, when you start with misinformation. The free phones, that for whatever reason are called ObamaPhones, were started by G W Bush.
No point in reading the rest of your post.
Yeah. that’s why it’s called an Obamaphone I guess…
You may call it an Obamaphone. The rest of us that know the facts call it a Reaganphone.
No. You wouldn’t name a prior law as a reason for a current one.
If you were logical you might call it a politician phone, or maybe a Bush W phone. This is the one time you can actually say it and I’ll let you because it’s right.
But saying a Reagan phone when the majority of people use the free cell phones, is a bit like saying Reagan forced the actions of another president which he didn’t.
These laws aren’t worth arguing over.
The conservatives that are bringing it up are meh.
Hey car – don’t you mean the free REAGAN phones. You’d better do some research, pal.
In addition, because we give amnesty to children that were brought here illegally and have lived here ALL THEIR LIVES does in no way mean we are “supporting” them. I know many illegals that work harder than I’m sure you’ve ever worked in your life.
Most of the “handouts” you’re talking about are being given to American citizens, not illegals.
Get your facts straight before you spout off again chum.
I have no issue with the free phone being a land line in the home. You get 1 phone that way, not a phone per person in the house which is happening now, it can’t be taken to the sell your phone here kiosk at Walmart or the Mall and traded in for a little cash. It serves the purpose of an emergency phone. No texting, no data involved in looking at your facebook account. If you want all that, then it is up to you to buy a phone, otherwise, be happy with a free land line. That’s what the program was supposed to be. Maybe congress can pass a revision to this. I think the vast majority of America would get behind a simple 1 page bill saying the free phone program is for land lines only and that all mobile phones previously given out will be deactivated in 60 days. Save us billions a year.
Perhaps you should have looked up what comes with your free government phone before posting. I did. It comes with 250 minutes per month. Period. No texting or internet. And from the looks of it, I doubt you’d bet anything for it at the kiosk. It’s pretty bare bones.
I see no difference between a land line and a cell phone. Cell is better for emergencies.
Yeah, how about cell phones that can only dial 911? If they want more, they can find a job. Plenty of green jobs out there.
Kinda hard to find a flippin job without a phone, pal.
I’m kind of torn on the phone issue. I know of a situation where great bodily harm would have come to a very young girl had she not had the “Obama / Reagan ” phone. This young gal is like a niece to me. Had I been there, the Demorini would have come out of the closet and you would have seen me on the news…. This gal has been removed from the situation so….
It’s a little easier to be tolerant when it starts hitting close to home. Too bad most people haven’t had the same type of experience. They might have more empathy.
Too Bad???? I wish I never had it… It was ugly and I hated hearing about it especially the person involved. A Bat upside his head would have had an impact. Waiting to see what a few years in jail did to his attitude.
Yes, it’s too bad that that’s what it takes for some people to put themselves in another person’s shoes and have some empathy. Not everyone has it as good as we do, FFA.
That one did hit close to home….
the middle class is squeezed
@102.
Great stats. However, you ommitted a few-like how many people aren’t being counted as unemployed after 2 years, or how many people are working 2 or even 3 jobs and still can’t earn as much as they did under Bush. Or even how average household income is less than it was under Bush.
Lets face it, this wasn’t a recession, but rather a depression and Obama is no FDR. We aren’t out of it yet and I think that we have years to go before we truly recover and its too bad that we have to wait another 2 years for some Republican leadership that can create a more business friendly environment instead of the neo socialism practiced by Obama over the last 6 years.
@nuff sed
Yawn!
As far as your points, you are not being forthright. The economy has grown faster and people have been better off under DEMOCRATIC presidents than REPUBLICAN presidents. Please read below. If you do not believe, this Faux business has a similar link that I can send to you.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/study-economy-grows-faster-under-democratic-presidents-than-republicans/
Regarding Obama, many of his significant measures went to ameliorate the effects of the economic downturn. The country was better off by taking actions on his legislation than doing nothing. If you do not believe me, take it from the Congressional Budget Office. The link is below.
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/195181-cbo-says-obama-stimulus-still-helps-economy
It is time you went with Agent to your local library and read this information instead of getting all your information from Faux News and Rush Limbaugh. Moreover, you will stop making silly spelling mistakes. It is “omitted” and NOT “ommitted”. Your sentence structure at best is pathetic.
Speaking of your corpulent leader (Limbaugh), please act like him. Take your oxycontin, and lie down.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! Keep on drinking that Koolaid 102! We give you permission to immigrate to Cuba or Venezuela.
Newsflash 102. Your stats from leftist sites are as bogus as Gruber lying about Obamacare. No transparency and the big lie is all exposed for everyone to see. 0 Credibility!
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Yawn! It is time for you to …. start thinking for yourself.
Left wing sites? I do not call the CBO left wing. It is non-partisan and offers objective analysis.
Well, if you want to call CBS left-wing, so be it. Here is the same information which states that the economy performed better under Democratic presidents than Republican presidents from 1901-present. If you do not believe Faux Business News and National Review, you will not trust anyone. These sources are for from being in the cradle of the liberal media. I am posting the links so that you, Agent and nuff sed can read for yourselves. I do not want the three of you to be embarassed again by making factually incorrect statements.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/investing/2012/09/04/history-shows-markets-gdp-outperform-under-democrats/
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/365375/why-does-economy-do-better-under-democratic-presidents-republican-ones-patrick-brennan#!
To reiterate the words of Bill Clinton and Harry Truman as I have said before, “If you want to live like a Republican, vote for a Democrat!”
Cheers!
This is great. You should save some of these for Bob, he’s got a particular aversion to reality.
Are you still butt hurt that I slammed you with links showing a methodology, instead of links that give you a conclusion?
You should learn how to make a methodology for yourself, instead of being a drone.
You act like I’m clueless when I put forth a horde of facts.
I am not clueless. You are free to disagree with me only if you debate facts. If you disagree just calling me clueless you are not.
Hey Stan,
He needs to show me things right?
I just showed the other side of the CBO he didn’t show, and didn’t know.
Then I showed the measures that matter with unemployment rates.
Which you don’t know, and don’t show.
I’m stupid right?
This recovery is totally better than Reagan’s isn’t it? *Sarcasm alert*
I can crush you in any argument, because of two reasons:
I don’t use other people’s conclusions.
I use a multitude of sources to confirm details, and then make my own methodology, which is superior to that of pundits.
You need to learn to listen without some hip agenda of being right. This is our country. Act like it and show responsibility.
You have a degree. Research as if you were doing a math class. Math classes don’t go off of theory unless the methodology matches up.
You show theory and conclusions of other people reviewing the data and methodology.
You are my new favorite poster here.
Insurance 102:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/nov/22/cbo-stimulus-hurts-economy-long-run/?page=all
Anyone can play around with stats that someone else made to come to a conclusion.
It’s all about the methodology. The CBO also said that the stimulus would harm the economy in the long run.
You are cherry picking.
Regarding presidents, this relies entirely on how you weigh improvements. For example: If you compare Obama and Reagan on the unemployment rate, they look about equal.
If you however note the labor participation rate in conjunction with the unemployment rate, you will find the unemployment rate only went down with Obama because the labor participation rate went down.
With Reagan it was a true recovery, with both going up. This mean the jobs were actually lowering the unemployment rate, instead of the amount of people working lowering the unemployment rate.
It is a matter of the measure. Reagan’s turn around on the economy is the best in modern history if you look at the right numbers.
@bob
Reagan was a Keynesian economist too. The only difference is that the government spending went to defense versus infrastructure and other priorities.
As far as the economy being hurt, the unemployment rate is 5.8%. This is much lower than when President Obama came into office.
Thank you come again!
I didn’t mention anything to do with those measures, you piece of trash. Thank you for “playing”. Are you ready to be crushed?
I mentioned your numbers for a reason. I stay on topic when debating.
And sorry, no, he was not a Keynesian politician. He had a democrat congress, they happen to be Keynesian. Meaning they were ok with his tax cuts but not his spending cuts.
http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc1/Reaganomics.html
The inflation adjusted deficits shrunk to 2.5% under Reagan by comparison to his predecessor Carter.
You forget he had proposed budget cuts and couldn’t get them.
Reagan wanted only one type of increased spending, and that was defense. Even in that, that was not a concern spending wise and would not make him Keynesian as it had nothing to do with the belief that higher spending helps the economy. It has to do with winning the cold war. Which he did efficiently.
But on budget cuts,
http://www.nytimes.com/1981/03/11/us/reagan-proposals-detail-further-trims-in-budget.html
What democrats forced, and what Reagan proposed are a different story.
Moron.
This is easy to find. Grow up and learn to read.
Insurance 102:
I must also mention, the 5.8% rate is not accurate. If the labor participation rate goes down, the unemployment rate is down due to there being less people working in the workforce.
The unemployment rate is not down due to more jobs or an economic fix. We are still teetering on the edge. Many of Obama’s programs are causing this. Like oh say, increasing the cost of housing, and relying on low interest rates to keep the housing market going. What happens when we can’t keep the rate low, considering pay hasn’t gone up, and Obama made sure that housing prices surpassed what they were in 2007? Another crash, which I’m sure you will blame on republicans and deregulation.
During Reagan the unemployment rate did go down at the same time as labor participation going up. Look it up.
You need to go into remedial economics. Do you deny what I just said is true about the unemployment rate?
This is old. You’re the idiot. Not me.
Thanks for playing, and ROFLWMDHOLAB!!!!!!
(IDIOT!)
Lol Bob, that is so cute. Insurance 102 crushed you. Looks like you met someone with a 3pt mind. He might even bench more than you too.
Bob – maybe you are the one cherry picking. The labor participation rate has gone down for a number or reasons, many that have nothing to do with the recession.
http://www.businessinsider.com/baby-boomers-are-retiring-2014-2
Bullshit.
You haven’t read the articles about baby boomers being unable to retire?
This guy does a good job of highlighting the numbers so I don’t have to.
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/07/27/are-baby-boomers-responsible-for-the-low-labor-for.aspx
The amount in the 55 and older age group in the work force has jumped, the amount of people in the 25-54 has dropped. Baby boomers are not the reason.
Babyboomers cant retire? What a shame, considering they had three decades of unprecedented prosperity, with which they promptly destroyed, leaving the ruins to their kids.
Babyboomers not saving for retirement is the problem. Maybe you shouldnt be such a taker and moocher, Bob? Dont be so lazy, pull your own weight.
Stan – I’m 56. I’m too young to retire. Believe me, I can’t wait to do so and leave the reins to you guys. Just give me 3-1/2 years. It’s all about the health insurance.
Its almost like you need universal healthcare, since otherwise you would be tied to your job, preventing the labor market from flowing efficiently. Man, what a shocker.
Exactly. I wanted universal care. Unfortunately we got the ACA. Don’t forget, I’m on your side.
Stan, Stan, Stan. You say the Baby Boomers had three decades of unprecedented prosperity and then left everything in ruin????? Perhaps you took no History courses at all while getting three degrees. Enter Jimmy Carter who laid waste to the economy in four short years. Inflation was rampant, economic malaise with no jobs, an energy plan of just turn the thermostats down and wear a sweater. That was a Democrat, by the way. Of course, Obama went sailing right by him as a terrible President. No, Babyboomers didn’t ruin this country for the younger generation unless you are counting Progressive Babyboomer politicians who implemented much of the disaster we have today.
Agent, that is a remarkable recollection of American history. In 1977, the DOW was 894. It closed at 932 in 1981. Conversely, the only time in American history where there has been a 10yr period where the DOW did not end up ahead was under Bush. Ever.
You just flat out dont knwo what youre talking about bro. You really dont. Accept it and move out of Texas to California and be an adult. They even have anti-texting laws. You will love it.
In addition, not mentioned in the link I provided, is the fact that millions of jobs have been outsourced to overseas, so there are less jobs available to us. All of these things need to be factored when comparing labor participation rates 30 years ago to today.
No. They don’t have to be.
I don’t care about the WHY I care that during Reagan the labor participation rate fell and then shot back up, while unemployment rates went down.
During Obama, who has control to stop what you just mentioned and you seem to state it as something that just happens randomly,
The labor participation rate dropped equally, and suddenly. And has not gone back up.
The results are shockingly similar. Nothing has randomly changed since fast enough during the recession to make a labor participation rate not bounce back up, other than this president is doing the wrong things to get it back up.
End of story.
You can’t just dismiss the fact that there are less jobs available now than there were even 7 years ago. They have been shipped overseas by the millions. If you had a job, lost it because of the recession, and your company moved it overseas to save money, it would not be there for you to return to.
How is that not a valid point? Less jobs available, lower participation rate. It’s common sense. And there is nothing RANDOM about it.
I can’t? I can and will.
It dropped just as suddenly as with Reagan. Can I use that to say the labor participation didn’t drop with Reagan too? Or does that just apply for Obama? Double standards eh Libby?
We’ve been shipping jobs over seas some time.
You say over the last 7 years. It happened all at once. Did all the jobs suddenly go over seas?
N0!
It dropped with a recession. From there, it is a matter if those jobs come back. They haven’t. The labor participation rate is down. Obama has failed.
Say the words. I’m tired of you refusing to acknowledge he failed. So Obama doesn’t have the ability to stop jobs from going over seas then?
It is some paranormal fluke activity just for him? Grow up for God’s sakes!
So let me see if I understand this right:
You’re unwilling to give Reagan credit for having both the labor participation rate go down, while the unemployment rate goes down,
But you are perfectly willing to give excuses to Obama, blame everything else for why the economy isn’t better, and shrug off the lower labor participation rate and say that’s just the way it is supposed to be?
It isn’t. If we don’t make this better our whole system will collapse. Reagan fixed it in his time. Obama hasn’t.
Listen up, Bob. I’m sick and tired of you putting words in my mouth. At no time did I say I didn’t credit Reagan with what he did.
What I said, read very slowly and carefully here, is that you can’t compare Reagan’s recession 35 years ago with what is happening today. It’s apples and oranges.
And if you won’t recognize there are fewer jobs to be had because of outsourcing, which contributes to the low participation rate, then you are just the moron here. Not everyone else.
P.S. Glad to see you’re back to your rude, arrogant, self-righteous self. That Jesus act didn’t last long.
Libby, you forget that Bob is legitimately a first class moron. At least FFA and, to a lesser extent Agent, adhere to a world view that, at one time, made sense. Granted the world moved on and it’s no longer 1980, but you can at least understand where their positions come from, no matter how out of touch with modern day reality they are.
Bob on the other hand is just your run-of-the-mill fool. Enjoy him for what he is.
To be honest, I don’t enjoy him at all.
Well Stan, if it aint broke…. OfnBama broke the health insurance system and made it worse. So, if your going to break the system, you darn well better improve it. Its not my generations fault you have to pay higher health premiums to subsidize my generation. That’s all on OfnBama.
OfnBama is more worried about Immigration and Ferguson then he is worried about getting our jobs back home. Granted, he wasn’t part of the process that let them walk out of the country, but he is certainly in a position to bring them back and he hasn’t.
Might I add Stan, I think it sucks the way he shifted that Burdon. He did that. Cant blame anyone but him.
FFA, if you think that the health insurance industry was working just fine prior to Obamacare, well I don’t know what to tell you because that is ridiculous on its face. Obamacare expanded access but did not constrain costs. Flawed? Of course. Better that what was there before? Absolutely.
Ive said it before Stan. I’ll say it again. I do believe the Health System needs work… It needed to be made better. Instead, cost have soared. People lost coverage they were told they could keep. People had to change doctors when they were told they would not have to. You are paying more so I can pay less. Service at the carrier level has declined.
How is this better then what we had?
It’s not better. For you. It’s alot better for others that had no coverage before.
Its better because it has expanded coverage, now including millions of americans that were unable to see a doctor for a myriad of reasons (poor, pre-existing conditions, etc).
Had the democrats passed universal coverage, or rather, just expanded medicaid to everyone, you would actually see downward price pressure on the markets since people would have a viable alternative.
This is not theory, man. Look at Canada. Or the EU. Or literally EVERY SINGLE OTHER DEVELOPED NATION on the planet. We are the richest nation with the highest wealth gab and you dont want to provide coverage because $1mm+ incomes shouldnt pay more.
That is outrageous. Its foolish for you and borderline criminal to me.
FFA is still holding onto hope that he will become one of those +$1M earners and doesn’t want to have to pay more once he gets there.
Forget the $1M. That’s chump change these days. How about the 1%ers? They could fund the whole damn think and never notice a difference in their portfolio.
Libby, when I lose hope, I may as well head off to the nursing home… I aim to provide for my family. Anything over that is a bonus.
Interesting thing on history channel about the worlds Billionaires. 90% of them grew up in poverty. All self made. So when someone spouts off about privileged – coming from money, if the History Channel is correct – no so. Founder of Dominos is one of my favorite examples. Orphaned. Full time job while full time school saw a need and filled it. Unfortunately it ruined the Insurance Market for food delivery, but he can afford to pay it. Another one of my favs, Jimmy Graham.
To put it in perspective, FFA, he wealthiest 1 percent held an average of 225 times the wealth of the average median household in 2009 — a ratio that was 125 in 1962.
In 2014 Forbes global wealth team found a record 1,645 billionaires with an aggregate net worth of $6.4 trillion, up from $5.4 trillion a year ago.
Many of these MAY have started their own companies and built their own wealth, but about 1/3 of them did not.
Libby, I don’t carry a grudge against people for making all the money they can.
@bob
Yawn! It is 6:30, and I am on the subway home.
Here is a quick lesson on macroeconomics. The Fed has announced they will stop quantitative easing and begin slowly to raise interest rates. The result? The markets have continued to go up. The market has not crash and burned as you stated.
As for Reagan, he relied on the Laffer curve–which is a big laugh. Trickle down economics simply did not work. If you look at those who received tax cuts, they simply saved the money and did not put in the economy (similar to the tax cuts that happened under George W Bush). It did not make a difference as money did not go to people who would have put this money back into the economy (i.e. spent it). By doing this, they would have generated more economic activity (jobs, growth, investment, etc).
If you do not believe me, look at Forbes. Forbes is hardly a left wing newspaper. Its editor has even sought the Republican presidential nomination. When comparing (apples for apples) the economy that Reagan inherited versus Obama, Obama’s policies have created more jobs, higher economic growth and greater stock market growth.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2014/09/05/obama-outperforms-reagan-on-jobs-growth-and-investing/
This benefits not just the wealthy-but upper middle class and working families who have 401K’s and a substantial stake in how the S&P and other market indexes function.
Enough of this. Just two statements, after reading the Forbes article I hope you agree with me that if you want to live like a Republican, vote for a Democrat. Also, please act like your venerated leader (Reagan). Fall asleep at work, and leave the important work for other people to handle.
Thank you come again!
Bob has links though! And a methodology! Dont you dare come with facts to a methodology fight!
Bob, I read an interesting article today on Townhall on how the young Millenials are brainwashed into liberal thinking. They go to school and are exposed to liberal professors who espouse leftist ideology and then later they only go to leftist websites who hate Conservatives, call them racists, haters, 1%ers etc. They never learn the Conservative point of view on anything. Hence, we have the likes of Stan, Ins102, Ron who keep bombarding us with their leftist point of view. Fox can’t follow one story and have actual interviews and facts without being called Faux News. It is amazing the amount of hate in this country. I commend you for putting them in their place even if they downthumb you and call you names for your presentation of real facts. Libby, she really doesn’t have the same excuse. She is just hateful and insulting.
Agent, you do realize that but for gerrymandered districts, the country as a whole would be predominantly more liberal and progressive? The illusion you have is that most of the country agrees with you. They dont. This is why you cannot win national elections, instead you can simply obstruct.
The nation as a whole is literally waiting for you all to die off so that we can move forward. Crass and mean, yes. But truthful. You could at least do your part and try not to deserve it.
Wasn’t this the same Fox News where Karl Rove refused to admit that Obama had beat Romney and sealed his re-election? Alternatively, is this the Fox News that Michael Barone predicted that Romney would win two days before the election.
As far as 1% ers, Libby is right. You will find a larger number of this population in blue states than red states. Their tax revenue helps to subsidize white trash in Texico.
Time to stop posting, and get back to work agent!
Thank you come again!
That’s enough bashing IL 102… No wait, OfnBama is from here. Keep going. We deserve it. Love how the networks didn’t broadcast his plan to pardon millions of criminals.
Of course, there are some of us that could retire but like working. Put another way, our wives/husbands like us working.
LOL, Wally! I know I want my husband to keep working for a while after I retire….
You are right Wally. There is a difference between an employee retiring after years of service and getting a gold watch and a business owner of a going concern. It does get very complicated in an Independent Agency with multiple owners and attorney’s drawing up buy-sell agreements, interests etc.
You just had to get that in there, didn’t you Agent. What the hell does being an agency owner v. a worker have to do with when you have enough funds to retire? Unless you haven’t had enough brains to put a perpetuation plan in place… Oh! I guess I answered my own question.
Libby, the queen of insults and butting in to other peoples conversations. I wasn’t butting into your conversation, but commenting on Wally’s post. Are you insulting my work over a number of years? What kind of retirement plan do you have in place? It couldn’t be much since you are counting on your husband to keep working. It must be hard to retire in a Blue State with higher taxes, higher cost of living for just about everything.
@Agent
The red states are slowly coming “purple” and then “blue”. States that used to be solid red states are now blue (ex. Virginia) or purple (Nevada, Colorado and Florida). Hence, I give Hillary 237 solid electoral votes with a Republican challenger having 155 electoral votes.
The 237 votes do not include states like Virginia and Wisconsin which I believe would favor Hillary or another Democrat in 2016. This means that the Republicans would have to literally run the table in “purple” states to have a chance to win the presidency. These are objective facts Agent.
Your party has to change its image and put forth a candidate that can compete in this new America. Otherwise, the only time the Republicans will be in the White House will be on the 25 cent public tour!
I’m not insulting your work, Agent. Just highlighting your arrogance. The fact that you constantly have to remind people that you are businessowner and not a “peon” is really rather pathetic. Yes, we all know what a big shot you are.
I will be retiring at 59-1/2. How about you? My retirement funds are more than adequate to support me. My husband will keep working for awhile: 1) because he wants to and 2) because he’ll be out of my hair. We will be very comfortable in our old age together, thank you for your concern.
Oh! And at least my blue state isn’t a blood-sucking leech off the government like Texico and the rest of the red states. We pay our fair share and yours, too.
I have been confused on something for some time now. Agent has always said he is from Texas. Why on earth do you all keep posting that he is from Il. Besides that, you all keep referring to Texico as being a red state when IL is (was) a Blue state.
FFA – if you’re serious, that was really cute. Texico and in Texas/Mexico. The third-world state of the U.S.
Oh…I thought you were referring to Texico, IL. A small Farming Community in Central IL.. Drive by it every time I have to go to Peoria, IL.
I figured that out after I googled Texico, IL. LOL!
Yes 102. We noticed how purple Texas became in the last election. Total sweep of the Progressive Democratic Party and the biggest landslide in the Governor’s race in history. Wendy Davis lost by almost one million votes. Her War on Women approach was disastrous to say the least. We hope she moves to friendlier Pennsylvania and Libby can console her.
Off Topic… Haven’t seen any post from Ron. If your there, wondering if your dug out yet??
Ron and Bob are both missing. I feel like we really havent heard all sides of the debate without those two.
Bobs around, we know that cause he always is. Ron is getting blasted by the Global Warming effect that has set record snow fall for a season before turkey day. I like snow, but they are talking 8 feet already.
And now Ron has to tread water…
FFA, Ron’s house is covered and he can’t get out of the door or go down the street with all that fresh Global Warming snow. Assuming it stops in the next week, he may be able to leave. By the way, Libby seems to think Texas is dragging the country down. Texas has created more jobs than the entire N/E put together including her Pennsylvania. That is why so many companies have relocated here including State Farm with their huge expansion in the metroplex. Reason: No State Income tax and incentives the state, counties, cities to encourage the move to a friendlier business climate. We also have a better weather environment than the frozen tundra states. We were in the 60’s today.
Working today so that others don’t have to.
@freedom
Happy Friday! This is the problem with conservative math. Did I say that Texas was a purple state? No! Of the states with the largest electoral vote, it is the only red state.
Texas-38 electoral votes
However, the largest and fourth states with regards to electoral votes are New York and California. We can safely assume these are solidly blue states.
New York and California-84 electoral votes
Florida is swing state, but it is tilting towards the Democratic column as the demographics change.
Pennsylvania and Illinois are tied for the fifth biggest electoral prize (20 electoral votes each). Both are strong blue states.
Pennsylvania and Illinois-40 electoral votes
Simple math (84+40)>38
Can you understand now why I say that the Republicans have to sweep all the purple states? The Democratic candidate has 237 of the 270 electoral votes in their column with spending little or no money.
For that, I am sure to surrender Texas.
It is time you went on the library tour with Agent, nuff sed and yawn. When you read a little more and stop listening to Rush “Pillsbury Boy” Limbaugh, you will stop making inane comments on this website.
Cheers!
Gee 102, I must be getting color blind. I could have sworn the map on election night was bright red with all the House, Senate, Governors, State Houses & Senates races being called early in the evening for Republicans. Pelosi lost 15 more seats, Reid lost his majority leadership (thank God)with loss of at least 9 seats after Landrieu is sent packing. I think the tide has turned now and Progressive liberalism is on the run after all the lies and deceit came out on their plots and horrible governance nationwide. Even Libby voted Republican this time which is a huge shock.
“Even Libby voted Republican this time which is a huge shock.” It’s not a huge shock to anyone but you, Agent. Everyone that knows me knows I vote for the right person for the job, not the party. Unlike you, I think for myself.
Libby, what makes you think Obama was the right one for President given what we know now about his performance? You used to say you thought he was honest and trustworthy. Is your atrophied brain still telling you that? You were truly the low information voter twice. That is truly telling.
Libby, if you had your thinking cap on in 2008 and 2012 and actually vetted this man that the media didn’t, you would never have voted for him to start with. He talked a good game campaigning and I thought I could give him the benefit of the doubt, but when he told Joe the Plumber that he had to spread the wealth around, that did it for me. It has gone downhill rapidly from there. You know what, his approval rating reflects the distrust America has for this man. Lying 6 years straight will do that everytime. How could you be that blind?
Agent – how many times do I have to tell you Obama was not my choice. I wanted Hillary in office. I was all set to vote for McCain until he put shit-for-brains on the ticket. That did it for me. As for Romney, no-one with half a brain would have voted for him. He was 10 times worse than Obama. It was a lose/lose and I chose the lesser of the two evils.
Get a good candidate for 2016 and I’ll consider him/her. If not, Hillary’s got my vote.
@Freedom
Yawn! They said the same thing in 1994 and 2010. What happened two years later? America elected a president from the Democratic Party.
Shhhh, 102. Don’t tell him. It will be so fun to see who gets the HUGE shock in 2016! LOL!
4th Marriage……
A woman who had been married three times walked into a bridal shop one day and told the sales clerk that she was looking for a wedding gown for her fourth wedding.
“Of course, madam,” replied the sales clerk, “exactly what type and color dress are you looking for?”
The bride to be said, “A long frilly white dress with a veil.”
The sales clerk hesitated a bit, then said, “Please don’t take this the wrong way, but gowns of that nature are considered more appropriate for brides who are being married the first time – for those who are a bit more innocent, if you know what I mean? Perhaps ivory or sky blue would be nice?”
“Well,” replied the customer, a little peeved at the clerk’s directness, “I can assure you that a white gown would be quite appropriate. Believe it or not, despite all my marriages, I remain as innocent as a first-time bride. You see, my first husband was so excited about our wedding, he died as we were checking into our honey moon hotel. My second husband and I got into such a terrible fight in the limo on our way to our honeymoon hotel that we had that wedding annulled immediately and never spoke to each other again.”
“What about your third husband?” asked the sales clerk.
“That one was a Democrat,” said the woman, “and every night for four years, he just sat on the edge of the bed and told me how good it was going to be — but nothing ever happened.”
Marriage Customs….
For centuries, Hindu women have worn a dot on their foreheads. Most of us have naively thought this was connected with tradition or religion, but the Indian embassy in Ottawa has revealed the true story.
When an Indian woman gets married, she brings a dowry into the union. On her wedding night, the husband gets to scratch off the dot to see if he won a convenience store, a gas station, a donut shop, a taxi cab or a motel in the US. If nothing is underneath, he must remain in India to answer phones and provide Verizon technical support.
@Freedom
Wow! I guess Mikey Rooker and you are the clear cut favorite for the most culturally ignorant and naive comments of the year.
As someone who is of East Indian origin, the engineer who designed the computer, mobile phone, etc which you sent your message was probably Indian. If you look at companies like Apple and Google (who could both become TRILLION dollar value companies with regard to valuation), these entities have such a large number of Indian employees they have a cafeteria on their corporate campuses that only makes Indian food (whether vegetarian or non-vegetarian and with options ranging from Gujurati, Kerala, Punjabi to cusine from Andrha Pradesh). Before you embarass yourself again, look where these places are on a map.
These companies view it not as a cost but as an investment to attract and keep the best talent at their company.
As far as other professions, I hope you do not get sick. If you do, the doctor that treats you stands a fairly good chance to be East Indian or from the Indian subcontinent.
I really feel sorry for you Freedom. I guess we have to push up the library tour and the remedial learning for you, Mikey, nuff said and FFA.
Cheers!
@Freedom
Forgot to add…
Thank you come again!
More Bad News for IL…
Was at a funeral yesterday. Chatting up one of the relatives that lives in AZ, he stated that his company is currently constructing new Corp HQ for State Farm… All this gong on while Quinn is asleep at the wheel.
Well FFA, I am sure if State Farm is moving it’s headquarters, it will be all over this blog soon. The libs will be blaming them for just looking out for their profits and killing jobs in Illinois. They already moved a lot of jobs to DFW.
By the way, your Bears seem to have righted the ship and won their second in a row. Dallas and Denver barely squeaked by the Giants and Miami. Did you see the catch Odell Beckham, Jr made on Dallas? The announcers said it was the greatest catch they ever saw, one handed and pretty much impossible since he was interfered with on the play. That kid has some hands.
Additionally, an Appeals Court in IL has kicked the Pension fix. And now another round of Political Ads.
Of course, no one will believe its part of rate control – less over head equates to lower premiums…
How soon to Country Mutual and All State do the same? Sears already threatened it (moving Corporate) several years back and the State took action to save them jobs. Guess 15000+ is ok to lose.
I did see that catch. I don’t think that guy is human as no one should be able to pull that one off. I’ll bet he is gonna be drafted real high in FF leagues next year…
The Bear beat Minn & the Bucs. Nothing to brag about… Not much to get excited in Chicago Sports for now. Maybe the Black Hawks. On the Bulls, Rose seems to be a part time player.
FFA, I have a good friend who is a big LSU fan all the way. He said Beckham got into some trouble while in college or he may have been a #1 pick. The Giants took a chance on him and so far it is paying off, at least until he gets in trouble. How did you like his “do”? Pretty creative, don’t you think?
For his sake, I hope he holds it together.
Do we have another Jerry Rice on our hands or another one like Hernandez from NE in the works? At least he can pay his student loans….
As far as his “do”, I wish I had the hair to do that. I wouldn’t as its just not my style. But it beats the Horse Shoe look. I could easily pull off the Larry Fine. Curly easy enough. Moe… Cant do that “Do”.
FFA, I don’t think you would sell much insurance if you walked into a prospects office with a “do” like Beckam has.
I hope Beckham doesn’t follow the lead of Adrian Peterson and have 6 kids with 6 different women in three states and then get into trouble. I think his career may be over since he can’t get re-instated anytime soon and the clock is ticking on his career.
He will probably surface with the Raiders.
Well FFA, the Cowboys might have signed him, but they already have Demarco Murray who has kept is nose clean and goes out and does his thing week after week. I keep knocking on wood that he will finish the year injury free since that has held him back several times in prior years.
FFA, before I forget it, I would like to wish you and your family a very Happy Thanksgiving. I know you have had a rough year in many ways and I admire you for hanging in there. In spite of what is going on, we still live in the best country in the world. We could have been born in a third world country and never had a chance to be free, succeed in business and provide for our family in a way most people in the world could never imagine.
You could have been born in Kenya, at least then you could still be a great President and a hero to the world.
Thanks Agent. I hope all is well with you and you have a great Thanksgiving Day too. Looking forward to some football…. About 9 hours of it to be exact. Don’t know how my wife is gonna handle things. She took another fall on Sat and was flat on her back rest of the day and Sunday. She finally starting moving around yesterday and got a bog pop out of it early this AM. Thank god for family.
FFA, It was good to see Stan admit his hero President was born in Kenya after all. He is a birther and didn’t even know it with all his degrees. I wonder what he says about the Connecticut Social, whether he applied for student loans as a foreign student, what name he used on his passport when he traveled to Pakistan etc. Why are all his education records sealed? What a mystery man
@Mikey Rooker
I guess you are slightly ahead of Freedom, Bob and FFAfor the most inept and least intelligent poster on Insurance Journal.
Wow. Are you still one of the birthers that hold on to the fact that Obama was born in Kenya? The Donald has even withdrawn this farce of a request. Information revealed to the Donald and well before clearly show that he was born in Hawaii. This was after Hawaii became the 50th state in the Union!
If you are a birther, what are your thoughts about Ted “Calgary” Cruz? Mr Cruz wants to run for President, but he was born in Calgary. However, he is an American citizen as his mother was an American citizen at the time of his birth. Any thoughts?
As for travelling to Pakistan, Obama did travel to Pakistan before becoming President. He travelled as a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee!
As far as his education records being sealed, Obama served as editor of the Harvard Law Review. In order to be eligible for the Harvard Law Review, one must be in the top 5-7% of their class. After this, they are selected on basis of a scholarly article. I don’t know Mikey. But one who is at the top of their class at Harvard law school and can write a scholarly article that can be accepted in front of some of the most talented law faculty in the world sounds pretty impressive to me.
Time to read up Mikey. You really embarass yourself when you post uniformed rants like this. Do you this on all your postings all day?
Agent, to clarify, I was making fun of you. Obama wasnt born in Kenya. He was born in Hawaii (a US state, kind of like Texas, except it doesnt suck).
Hey FFA. I guess the Cowboys and Bears will be getting together on Thursday on the frozen tundra of Soldier Field. I promise not to get mad if the Bears beat them. They stunk it up pretty bad against the Eagles and clearly just didn’t have it after playing a night game on the East coast on Sunday and the lack of adequate preparation time showed up. No gas in the tank.
Did you not watch the Bears game on Turkey Day??? Apparently, it was all Cutlers fault.
Personally, think it time to bring in a new coach… Harbaugh maybe? Let him shake some things up. Trestman is obviously not suited for the NFL.
Yes, I saw some of the Bears game while we were preparing dinner. Detroit is a good team, but there is something lacking with the Bears. I think they made a mistake getting rid of Lovie after he had success. I am assuming you are referring to the SF Harbaugh rather than the Baltimore Harbaugh. Either Harbaugh would be an upgrade to Trestman. They are probably a few good draft choices and a good coach away from contending.
I was referring to JIm. He started his pro career in Chicago. Reports are he is not wanted in SF any more. Don’t know why.
Chicago is missing a defense all the way around. No pressure on the QB, a depleted LB core and the D’s back field are nothing to be feared any more. Got old fast. Since Urlacher is gone….