Scalia – Words have no meaning! Even Gruber said the law was written to coerce the states into establishing exchanges. Of course, he didn’t know that 36 states would say no way.
All this ruling means is that we have about 18 more months to wait to repeal this dog and put in something that works. It just bought the Democrats some more time, nothing more.
No real surprise on this ruling. If Roberts can re-interpret the mandate as a tax, when Obama and the Dems said it was NOT a tax, they can make up anything they want.
Integrity — remember, it was the SCOTUS who put Bush in power — when they should have stayed out of it. This decision went up through the correct channels and a legitimate decision was achieved.
You’re example is an apples vs. oranges comparison. The Bush decision was based on interpreting the law as they were written.
The Obamacare decisions are re-writing the law to what they thought Congress meant, even after evidence was presented to the contrary. Obama and the Dems, when the original Obamacare was formed, said the mandate was not a tax. Roberts ruled that was illegal but said if they meant it as a tax, it was legal. He ruled on the basis that is was a tax.
This most recent ruling, SCOTUS again agreed that the language used was poorly written. Their decision, in part, was based on the economic impact of an adverse ruling. Again, they are not dong their job, which is to interpret the laws. They are legislating from the bench.
This country is in serious trouble because of the people who are placing their personal agendas over the constitution and overall well being of the country as a whole.
Integrity, what you are really saying is that SCOTUS punted yet again. They didn’t want this issue to start with knowing how divisive to the country that it has been. All they did was kick the can down the road and say the political process will resolve it eventually.
Unfortunately, the insurance companies also stood to lose their 3% guaranteed profit (which is why they have remained silent)being reimbursed by the government if they paid out more than 80% in pure claims costs. The ACA took over 17% of the economy and we can all see the tremendous improvement in the economy with job creation and people making more money(irony intentional). Having 17% of the economy tank ( with the loss of the subsidies and guarantees in those States who do have their own exchanges), the Supreme Court had to redefine the word State to mean Nation, so they saved the companies. As Bugs said “What a maroon!”.
The dissenters have a good point. Words no longer mean their intention. The correct response should have been to go back and rewrite the law.
What’s next? Maybe Colorado can interpret Marijuana to mean Cocaine!
Everyone is legislating. First Obama irgnores express language in the ACA, including specific dates by which things must happen, and telsl others to ignore them. Now the Supreme Court takes express langauge and says it means something else because it wants a certain result.
I’ve lost all respect for the S. Ct., and so should anyone else, whatever his or her political affilaition.
Dan, do you know that they have renamed the Healthcare Law. Obamacare is now SCOTUSCARE. All this may be a blessing in disguise since the implosion didn’t occur and demands on Reublicans to fix the mess Democrats made.
All we have now is a continuing spiral of double digit rate increases, the poor policies of high deductibles, high out of pocket expenses for the American people until the next Presidential election when something can actually be done.
Actually as conservatives and libertarians who were against it and read it ahead of time will all we can say is we told them so. Simply put in Isaiah 5:20 or Proverbs 13:20. It reminds us of how when someone falls and gets the wind knocked out of them all you can do is sit back and laugh at them even though you tried to help.
Hey Purple, I think you meant the Senate. The GOP already had the House and only increased their margin. The Senate is Harry Reidless now and he should just go back to Nevada and tend to his pomegranates.
Frustrated, didn’t you know we live in a Democracy now, not a Constitutional Republic? All you have to do is listen to any Democrat and they never mention the Republic for which it stands which is in the Pledge of Allegiance. Rome fell because their Republic died at the hands of Emperors who wanted to play God and their Senate was ineffective at stopping them.
Look, I may not agree with the SCOTUS ruling, but honestly, isn’t the Supreme Court SUPPOSED to vote on the actual issue, not based on their party affiliation? I know that presidents appoint justices that tend to agree with them politically, but when it comes to the law the court is supposed to be as objective as possible.
The Court has spoken. You don’t have to like it, but you do have to live with it.
Integrity, Obama, his administration, Congress, SCOTUS, Federal Workers should all come under Obamacare. They might get to their enrollment numbers that way. They should all be forced to go into Healthcare.gov for their coverage and reveal all their personal information which will be promptly hacked and exposed to the world and posted on Wikileaks.
FFA, every time my PA daughter is sent up to Chicago for a seminar, I shudder and tell her to stay on the north side where it is somewhat safer. So far, no trouble. The south side is basically a war zone. Does Dead Fish venture out to the south side to calm it down or does he just hide out in his office?
Just tell her to stay on well light main streets. Wandering off in the shadows you risk your life. People cant even sit on their porch at night. When Richie started demoing the projects on the South Side, the rif raf moved to the west side.
Rahm has got to do something. Since he tore down the Gang Units that Richie had in place, the shootings have sky rocketed. Its the Obama way of thinking he had a better idea. Not working out so well. Too arrogant to admit his mistake.
Now I see Jacki Robinson West is suing little league baseball over their title. I guess Little League Baseball don’t take intent into account and follow the rules as they are written. The kids just played and they played well. Its the adults that just cant accept rules are rules. Another obamanation.
I agree FFA. Even Little League baseball has been caught into the cheating scandal. It goes along with this Obamanation who lies and cheats with every issue we face. Words don’t mean anything, rules are for others, not us. I have a grandson who is a terrific pitcher and hitter for his team that is winning titles in his age group league. There are no players over age or brought in from somewhere else to play. They do it the old fashioned way. They play “hard ball”.
So FFA, let’s summarize. Higher premiums will be the order of the day, higher deductibles, higher out of pocket expenses, less access to doctors and hospitals and this is supposed to be better?
In the movie Doc Hollywood, the country people would pay the doctor with chickens or pigs. I am not sure that will work in most places in this country.
Thanks TX Wx – I used that Doc Hollywood/MJ-Fox line last night in real life and everyone thought it was hilarious then too. I know I’m going to hell in a bucket with jokes like that, but at least I’m enjoying the ride!
Where’s my sense of humor? How about in my last post when I said we can’t take Doc Hollywood literally because nobody would really want Michael J. Fox as their doctor? Texas Weatherman picked up on that!
PS – you insulted me for no reason, which broke our almost 2 week truce of agreeing not to insult each other. That didn’t last long.
Your memory is a bit short Rosenblatt. Our truce was a couple of months ago. Time flies when you are having fun. I will try to just insult Ron and a few others that deserve it from time to time. Perhaps Bob and I can recommend a psychoanalyst for him to get his head on straight.
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Rosenblatt, please explain to all of us how an average American can pay a $5,000 deductible on his Bronze or Silver Plan when he has less than a thousand in the bank.
Agent, that’s basic arithmetic. Can liberals do basic arithmetic? After all, people are getting their premiums taken care of, so why should they worry about the sky-high deductibles?
Rosenblatt, if the average consumer struggling to make ends meet doesn’t have money saved for emergencies or for doctor/hospital deductibles, what is he supposed to do with the bill he can’t pay? Does he ask the doctor or hospital for a pay plan? Does he offer a pig or chickens for services? Does he go to a loan shark or a bank (same thing) to get the money?
Agent – you keep asking me questions about what other people should do or what others people who post on this site are thinking.
It’s getting very annoying directly answering your questions on behalf of others when you don’t bother to answer my direct questions to you.
Maybe one of these days you’ll ask me a question about me or my views, I’ll answer it, ask you a follow-up and then you provide a direct answer in kind. I’m not holding my breath.
Do you have any questions that are actually FOR ME to which I can respond?
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Connie, actually liberals are not too good at math. They only know Keynsian spending to solve vexing problems instead of real solutions not requiring spending like cutting taxes, reigning in government, going after agencies and departments wasting taxpayer money etc. Did you see that payroll flap at Amtrak? What a way to run a government railroad! I am not sure how an employee can claim working 48 hours in a day or working 22 hours every day or 130 hours overtime a week plus regular time. Hey, it isn’t their money, so what if $200 million went down the rathole because of their dishonesty. I haven’t heard one Democrat say it was a travesty or demand the money back.
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Ok Rosenblatt, you want to play some word games with me and provide me with direct answers? What would “you” do if “you” had less than a thousand in the bank with no savings like many Americans who struggle with finances and live paycheck to paycheck if “you” were confronted by a doctor or hospital wanting payment for their services? Do “you” tell them to sue “you” for payment or try to negotiate a pay plan?
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That wasn’t so hard, was it Agent?
I would call the doctor’s office, advise of my financial hardship, attempt to negotiate the bill to a lower rate, and see if they would be willing to put me on a payment plan I could afford.
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Rosenblatt, I really had to drag that answer out of you didn’t I? You are really a word parser as I have noticed over a number of articles. You have improved in one area. About a year ago, you couldn’t post any answer in less than 8 paragraphs and 6 of the paragraphs were totally unnecessary. Now, if we can just get Bob to shorten his responses, we will be getting somewhere.
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Honestly Agent, I was frustrated you kept asking me questions about Ron, what he thinks, and who he will vote for President – which, honestly, how the h3ll am I supposed to know that?!?
I just wanted you to ask me questions I could answer for myself and not have to make up answers for other people, so you didn’t think I was ignoring your questions.
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Okay Agent. I can do math – I got this for you.
1) $5,000 BRONZE deductible = $96 a month = $24 a week = $3.40 a day. If they can put aside just $5 a day, the average person would have saved enough to cover their yearly deductible!
2) SILVER deductible is only $2,000 = $38.5 a month = $9.6 a week = $1.4 a day. On the silver plan, they only need to put aside $2 a day to cover their deductible!
Saving $2 to $5 a day seems reasonable and doable no matter how much you have saved in your bank account.
I love political and illogical math. I guess that SCOTUS could always redefine the word “saves”. Let’s try the facts.
$5000/365 = $13.70 a day.
$2000/365 = $5.48/day.
As for California, our exchange is bragging about the premium (average of about $271/month) and for each $1 in it cost the consumer, $3 came from the Fed. Where would that money come from? The refunds the consumer would have had on their tax return. Where does the loss get made up? Those who will pay higher taxes and the Medical Device Tax and the decreased reimbursement to doctors and hospitals.
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You’re right Reality Check – I should’ve done $5,000 % 365 and $2,000 % 365 and not the per month/week/day calculation.
Where have you been Agent, sky high deductibles, like $5,000, were around before ACA. And they often required employees to pay hundreds of dollars per pay check for premiums and take cuts in benefits. I don’t see ACA fixing it, but to blame ACA for this situation is idiotic and ignores the direction healtchare costs/insurance were going already.
Where have you been Bill? Have you been selling Health Insurance for years like I have? A lot of my customers had lower deductibles, some had to take lesser coverage plans because of rate increases, but they stayed with what they had until Obamacare got them cancelled and they had to start over with substandard policies with huge deductibles, huge out of pocket expenses that they can’t currently pay so a lot of Americans just don’t go to the doctor and use their coverage as catastrophic care. How would you pay a $5,000 deductible if you had less than a thousand in the bank?
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I work for an insurance company, have the “fancy” employer sponsored plan and my deductible is over $2000 and I still have to pay 30% coinsurance after that. Luckily my children qualify for CHIP because I can’t afford the paycheck deduction for employee plus family. Especially after a surprise health setback has me inching towards my $5000 out of pocket maximum. So, everything is/was not all rainbows and butterflies in the private and group health market.
The SCOTUS has voted twice on this issue and have upheld Obamacare both times. This is your new reality. If you don’t like the law, go out and create one that works to your satisfaction. Now quit yer bellyaching and get cracking on drafting that new Healthcare platform you said you had.
Naturally, with half the GOP’ers running for President, you would be hard pressed to get one into session.
Unfortunately Celtica, all Republican plans were rejected by our Socialist in Chief. We have to wait about 18 months to get another plan drafted and passed after we repeal this turkey.
Agent — there are no Republican plans — never have been. So it could not have been rejected. Face it, Obamacare is here to stay. No GOP elected official will want to be the one who actually dismantles is. Death knell to their political ambitions.
Child, child, you must have been about 8 still playing with dolls when the famous Blair House meeting happened where Obama, Pelosi & Dirty Harry met with Republican leaders. Republican ideas were presented to no avail.
The arrogant one said later that Republicans needed to get in the back of the bus and follow his plan. No wonder they had to pass this travesty in the dead of night with backroom deals, bribes, coercion. A strictly partisan law like this was bound to be a bad law as it has shown to be for 5 years running.
Agent, Agent, Agent…and those ideas were??? Besides, the place to present the ideas were in both chambers. That was never done by the GOP. Remember, the GOP was the party of no. Like no plan.
Please Agent, Republicans had control of Congress for most of Bush’s term in office and came up with NOTHING. If they had, they could have passed it as they had control of Congress.
Some conservative states chose tort reform, but that doesn’t work well. People who deserve the large compensation (due to lifetime effects of the neglegence) either don’t, or struggle to, get it. In addition, frivolous claims/suits continue to abound. Plaintiff attorneys know they can still make money forcing insurance companies to settle for tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars in order to avoid high court costs. It is death by a thousand paper cuts.
It seems disingenuous for Republicans to cry about the ACA development process when they have never shown much of an interest in fixing healthcare in the first place.
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a trillion here a trillion there pretty soon adds up to real money
We need to make sure that EVERY Candidate wears a NASCAR uniform during this election cycle. That way we all know who their sponsors are. You’ll probably not be surprised by the health carriers who now have their money.
Wow, a really bad week at the office for the conservatives here.
1. Obamacare was upheld — again.
2. Bristol Palin is pregnant outside marriage – again.
3. Gay marriage is now the law of the land.
Louie, I would normally agree with you about family members, but Bristol often spouts public opinion on the coattails of her mother, so she makes herself game. Interestingly, she didn’t want to hear any remarks about her current pregnancy.
If she would stay off the US media stage, she wouldn’t. But the lady cannot help herself. It has turned into her livelihood. So much for the role model for abstinence.
Obamacare – 3
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ObamaCare – 3
GOP – 0
Truth in Advertising – 0
Scalia – Words have no meaning! Even Gruber said the law was written to coerce the states into establishing exchanges. Of course, he didn’t know that 36 states would say no way.
All this ruling means is that we have about 18 more months to wait to repeal this dog and put in something that works. It just bought the Democrats some more time, nothing more.
Obamacare – 3
American people – 0
Obama and Dems lie..SCOTUS swears to it.
No real surprise on this ruling. If Roberts can re-interpret the mandate as a tax, when Obama and the Dems said it was NOT a tax, they can make up anything they want.
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You’re example is an apples vs. oranges comparison. The Bush decision was based on interpreting the law as they were written.
The Obamacare decisions are re-writing the law to what they thought Congress meant, even after evidence was presented to the contrary. Obama and the Dems, when the original Obamacare was formed, said the mandate was not a tax. Roberts ruled that was illegal but said if they meant it as a tax, it was legal. He ruled on the basis that is was a tax.
This most recent ruling, SCOTUS again agreed that the language used was poorly written. Their decision, in part, was based on the economic impact of an adverse ruling. Again, they are not dong their job, which is to interpret the laws. They are legislating from the bench.
This country is in serious trouble because of the people who are placing their personal agendas over the constitution and overall well being of the country as a whole.
Integrity, what you are really saying is that SCOTUS punted yet again. They didn’t want this issue to start with knowing how divisive to the country that it has been. All they did was kick the can down the road and say the political process will resolve it eventually.
The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
No…actually Taxes and premiums will be going sky-high for us in the working minority to continue this ingeniously created lie!
morality is falling!!
integrity is falling!!
Who cares as long as it doesn’t seem to affect you, Chicken little.
Of course, if an individual doesn’t have any morality or integrity, why would they care?
Unfortunately, the insurance companies also stood to lose their 3% guaranteed profit (which is why they have remained silent)being reimbursed by the government if they paid out more than 80% in pure claims costs. The ACA took over 17% of the economy and we can all see the tremendous improvement in the economy with job creation and people making more money(irony intentional). Having 17% of the economy tank ( with the loss of the subsidies and guarantees in those States who do have their own exchanges), the Supreme Court had to redefine the word State to mean Nation, so they saved the companies. As Bugs said “What a maroon!”.
The dissenters have a good point. Words no longer mean their intention. The correct response should have been to go back and rewrite the law.
What’s next? Maybe Colorado can interpret Marijuana to mean Cocaine!
Everyone is legislating. First Obama irgnores express language in the ACA, including specific dates by which things must happen, and telsl others to ignore them. Now the Supreme Court takes express langauge and says it means something else because it wants a certain result.
I’ve lost all respect for the S. Ct., and so should anyone else, whatever his or her political affilaition.
Dan, do you know that they have renamed the Healthcare Law. Obamacare is now SCOTUSCARE. All this may be a blessing in disguise since the implosion didn’t occur and demands on Reublicans to fix the mess Democrats made.
All we have now is a continuing spiral of double digit rate increases, the poor policies of high deductibles, high out of pocket expenses for the American people until the next Presidential election when something can actually be done.
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Actually as conservatives and libertarians who were against it and read it ahead of time will all we can say is we told them so. Simply put in Isaiah 5:20 or Proverbs 13:20. It reminds us of how when someone falls and gets the wind knocked out of them all you can do is sit back and laugh at them even though you tried to help.
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Hey Purple, I think you meant the Senate. The GOP already had the House and only increased their margin. The Senate is Harry Reidless now and he should just go back to Nevada and tend to his pomegranates.
So this is how a republic dies…….
Frustrated, didn’t you know we live in a Democracy now, not a Constitutional Republic? All you have to do is listen to any Democrat and they never mention the Republic for which it stands which is in the Pledge of Allegiance. Rome fell because their Republic died at the hands of Emperors who wanted to play God and their Senate was ineffective at stopping them.
BTW, how could they determine what Congress MUST HAVE MEANT with the language. Congress never read it, and certainly didn’t write it.
“I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I’m not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.” (A. Greenspan)…
Now this can apply to laws passed by Congress and “interpreted” by the Supreme Court.
All right wingnuts. Now that this is over, you can all go back to telling everyone how Obama is going to take all the guns via Jade Helm.
Look, I may not agree with the SCOTUS ruling, but honestly, isn’t the Supreme Court SUPPOSED to vote on the actual issue, not based on their party affiliation? I know that presidents appoint justices that tend to agree with them politically, but when it comes to the law the court is supposed to be as objective as possible.
The Court has spoken. You don’t have to like it, but you do have to live with it.
Louie –
You statement “but when it comes to the law the court is supposed to be as objective as possible” is completely accurate.
Do you really think that is what has taken place?
I don’t like it and I am forced to live with it.
I think Congress needs to pass a law that requires SCOTUS to be covered by Obamacare. I wonder how they will interpret that??
Integrity, Obama, his administration, Congress, SCOTUS, Federal Workers should all come under Obamacare. They might get to their enrollment numbers that way. They should all be forced to go into Healthcare.gov for their coverage and reveal all their personal information which will be promptly hacked and exposed to the world and posted on Wikileaks.
I guess this means I can go as fast as I want, get caught and then go to court to say I intended to do the speed limit…. So much for the written word…
BTW, I hope this is over so we can adjust to our new normal.
Ive been in Wi since June 5th. 1 reported shooting. Back in IL one night on the news 18 shooting in one day in Chicago….
FFA, every time my PA daughter is sent up to Chicago for a seminar, I shudder and tell her to stay on the north side where it is somewhat safer. So far, no trouble. The south side is basically a war zone. Does Dead Fish venture out to the south side to calm it down or does he just hide out in his office?
Just tell her to stay on well light main streets. Wandering off in the shadows you risk your life. People cant even sit on their porch at night. When Richie started demoing the projects on the South Side, the rif raf moved to the west side.
Rahm has got to do something. Since he tore down the Gang Units that Richie had in place, the shootings have sky rocketed. Its the Obama way of thinking he had a better idea. Not working out so well. Too arrogant to admit his mistake.
Now I see Jacki Robinson West is suing little league baseball over their title. I guess Little League Baseball don’t take intent into account and follow the rules as they are written. The kids just played and they played well. Its the adults that just cant accept rules are rules. Another obamanation.
I agree FFA. Even Little League baseball has been caught into the cheating scandal. It goes along with this Obamanation who lies and cheats with every issue we face. Words don’t mean anything, rules are for others, not us. I have a grandson who is a terrific pitcher and hitter for his team that is winning titles in his age group league. There are no players over age or brought in from somewhere else to play. They do it the old fashioned way. They play “hard ball”.
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So FFA, let’s summarize. Higher premiums will be the order of the day, higher deductibles, higher out of pocket expenses, less access to doctors and hospitals and this is supposed to be better?
In the movie Doc Hollywood, the country people would pay the doctor with chickens or pigs. I am not sure that will work in most places in this country.
racist much?
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Are you a member of the famous Weatherman underground out for Conservatives.
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Thanks TX Wx – I used that Doc Hollywood/MJ-Fox line last night in real life and everyone thought it was hilarious then too. I know I’m going to hell in a bucket with jokes like that, but at least I’m enjoying the ride!
Where is your sense of humor Rosenblatt? I just used it as a funny example. I am pretty sure you are a dufus for your comment.
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Your memory is a bit short Rosenblatt. Our truce was a couple of months ago. Time flies when you are having fun. I will try to just insult Ron and a few others that deserve it from time to time. Perhaps Bob and I can recommend a psychoanalyst for him to get his head on straight.
Rosenblatt, please explain to all of us how an average American can pay a $5,000 deductible on his Bronze or Silver Plan when he has less than a thousand in the bank.
Agent, that’s basic arithmetic. Can liberals do basic arithmetic? After all, people are getting their premiums taken care of, so why should they worry about the sky-high deductibles?
Rosenblatt, if the average consumer struggling to make ends meet doesn’t have money saved for emergencies or for doctor/hospital deductibles, what is he supposed to do with the bill he can’t pay? Does he ask the doctor or hospital for a pay plan? Does he offer a pig or chickens for services? Does he go to a loan shark or a bank (same thing) to get the money?
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Connie, actually liberals are not too good at math. They only know Keynsian spending to solve vexing problems instead of real solutions not requiring spending like cutting taxes, reigning in government, going after agencies and departments wasting taxpayer money etc. Did you see that payroll flap at Amtrak? What a way to run a government railroad! I am not sure how an employee can claim working 48 hours in a day or working 22 hours every day or 130 hours overtime a week plus regular time. Hey, it isn’t their money, so what if $200 million went down the rathole because of their dishonesty. I haven’t heard one Democrat say it was a travesty or demand the money back.
Ok Rosenblatt, you want to play some word games with me and provide me with direct answers? What would “you” do if “you” had less than a thousand in the bank with no savings like many Americans who struggle with finances and live paycheck to paycheck if “you” were confronted by a doctor or hospital wanting payment for their services? Do “you” tell them to sue “you” for payment or try to negotiate a pay plan?
That wasn’t so hard, was it Agent?
I would call the doctor’s office, advise of my financial hardship, attempt to negotiate the bill to a lower rate, and see if they would be willing to put me on a payment plan I could afford.
Rosenblatt, I really had to drag that answer out of you didn’t I? You are really a word parser as I have noticed over a number of articles. You have improved in one area. About a year ago, you couldn’t post any answer in less than 8 paragraphs and 6 of the paragraphs were totally unnecessary. Now, if we can just get Bob to shorten his responses, we will be getting somewhere.
Honestly Agent, I was frustrated you kept asking me questions about Ron, what he thinks, and who he will vote for President – which, honestly, how the h3ll am I supposed to know that?!?
I just wanted you to ask me questions I could answer for myself and not have to make up answers for other people, so you didn’t think I was ignoring your questions.
Okay Agent. I can do math – I got this for you.
1) $5,000 BRONZE deductible = $96 a month = $24 a week = $3.40 a day. If they can put aside just $5 a day, the average person would have saved enough to cover their yearly deductible!
2) SILVER deductible is only $2,000 = $38.5 a month = $9.6 a week = $1.4 a day. On the silver plan, they only need to put aside $2 a day to cover their deductible!
Saving $2 to $5 a day seems reasonable and doable no matter how much you have saved in your bank account.
I love political and illogical math. I guess that SCOTUS could always redefine the word “saves”. Let’s try the facts.
$5000/365 = $13.70 a day.
$2000/365 = $5.48/day.
As for California, our exchange is bragging about the premium (average of about $271/month) and for each $1 in it cost the consumer, $3 came from the Fed. Where would that money come from? The refunds the consumer would have had on their tax return. Where does the loss get made up? Those who will pay higher taxes and the Medical Device Tax and the decreased reimbursement to doctors and hospitals.
You’re right Reality Check – I should’ve done $5,000 % 365 and $2,000 % 365 and not the per month/week/day calculation.
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Where have you been Bill? Have you been selling Health Insurance for years like I have? A lot of my customers had lower deductibles, some had to take lesser coverage plans because of rate increases, but they stayed with what they had until Obamacare got them cancelled and they had to start over with substandard policies with huge deductibles, huge out of pocket expenses that they can’t currently pay so a lot of Americans just don’t go to the doctor and use their coverage as catastrophic care. How would you pay a $5,000 deductible if you had less than a thousand in the bank?
I work for an insurance company, have the “fancy” employer sponsored plan and my deductible is over $2000 and I still have to pay 30% coinsurance after that. Luckily my children qualify for CHIP because I can’t afford the paycheck deduction for employee plus family. Especially after a surprise health setback has me inching towards my $5000 out of pocket maximum. So, everything is/was not all rainbows and butterflies in the private and group health market.
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Unfortunately Celtica, all Republican plans were rejected by our Socialist in Chief. We have to wait about 18 months to get another plan drafted and passed after we repeal this turkey.
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Child, child, you must have been about 8 still playing with dolls when the famous Blair House meeting happened where Obama, Pelosi & Dirty Harry met with Republican leaders. Republican ideas were presented to no avail.
The arrogant one said later that Republicans needed to get in the back of the bus and follow his plan. No wonder they had to pass this travesty in the dead of night with backroom deals, bribes, coercion. A strictly partisan law like this was bound to be a bad law as it has shown to be for 5 years running.
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a trillion here a trillion there pretty soon adds up to real money
We need to make sure that EVERY Candidate wears a NASCAR uniform during this election cycle. That way we all know who their sponsors are. You’ll probably not be surprised by the health carriers who now have their money.
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I’ll give you a 2/3, Celtica. Bristol Palin doesn’t hold any office and never will. Her mom is irrelevant and hasn’t held any form of office in years.
If you want to gloat about conservatives, go after the actual politicians and not their family members.
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It is amazing you even pay attention to Bristol Palin – you must have a lot of time on your hands waiting in Doctors office with your Obamacare plan.
The SCOTUSSA strikes again!
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Yogi, to borrow a statement of Ted Cruz, SCOTUS is supposed to be the umpire, not pitch and bat.