Auto Losses Seen Cutting P/C Insurance Profits Until 2016

By | August 10, 2015

  • August 10, 2015 at 2:24 pm
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    All one needs to do is take 15 minutes to save 15%, right? The average savings is $496 per year on the average customer, right? Oops! We need to raise rates because our actuarial model is off and we have been underwriting without running reports and some of these people are eating our lunch.

    • August 11, 2015 at 11:31 am
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      I doubt Geico’s “actuarial model is off”. Most carriers would love to experience their recent growth & profitability.

      • August 11, 2015 at 12:30 pm
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        SW, they had their model set to have big growth. Now that their results have been declining, they will raise rates and hope the others will raise theirs so they will still be lower.

        • August 11, 2015 at 2:07 pm
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        • August 12, 2015 at 10:28 am
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          So their “actuarial model” is performing as expected.

  • August 10, 2015 at 4:16 pm
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    • August 10, 2015 at 5:41 pm
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      • August 11, 2015 at 8:28 am
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        • August 11, 2015 at 12:32 pm
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          Confused, do you ever watch insurance ads or do you just troll on this blog all the time? How about Flo saying to a potential customer – pick your own price? Does that resonate with you? Do you think it is deceptive advertising like most of us do?

          • August 11, 2015 at 2:12 pm
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          • August 11, 2015 at 5:46 pm
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            Wrong, you can’t pick your price for coverage. The deceptive part is her saying that for the low information buyer. You can pick a price if you want substandard coverage and the low information people will pick the lowest one every time and then wonder why they didn’t have coverage when the accident happens. Do they sue Flo when they find out she has misled them?

          • August 11, 2015 at 9:44 pm
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          • August 12, 2015 at 8:14 am
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    • August 13, 2015 at 3:06 pm
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      • August 13, 2015 at 3:07 pm
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        hmmmm… the brackets were stripped… As you were….

        • August 13, 2015 at 4:10 pm
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          Hot debate. What do you think?
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          [B] is this bold? [/B]

          • August 14, 2015 at 11:18 am
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            Now you’ve got me curious. If we could use html, that would be awesome.

            Testing bold
            Testing italics,

          • August 14, 2015 at 11:18 am
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            Well, hot damn!!! :)

          • August 14, 2015 at 11:22 am
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            So that really does work?

          • August 14, 2015 at 11:32 am
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            It would appear so. :)

            This will make it so much easier to reference someone’s quote when responding to them.

          • August 14, 2015 at 12:03 pm
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            Here you go!
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            I’m not sure what these do:
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          • August 14, 2015 at 12:09 pm
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            Messed that all up. Trying again. I’ve added a space in the brackets, that has to be removed to actually use the function. Oh, and you can combine things, too!

            bold text:
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          • August 14, 2015 at 12:12 pm
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            Well, phooey. Underline doesn’t work. And just putting a space in doesn’t work to show the html. So, blah. I think I’m giving up. Sorry for polluting this comment section all to bits. ;)

  • August 11, 2015 at 1:15 pm
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    Personally I think companies should do what’s best for their pockets, at the End of the day the only way the carriers can continue giving coverage to people and absorbing the claims is unfortunately increasing the rates. If we didn’t have so much Insurance Fraud and everyone going “SUE” happy then naturally Everyone would be winning. I encourage a rate increase if that’s what needs to be done because I’m sure no one wants to be with a NON-Standard insurance company because a Standard Carrier went out of business for listening to consumers. They have to look out for the greater good in my opinion.

    • August 12, 2015 at 12:32 pm
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      Terrible comparison Confused between Insurance and Cars. Apparently, you don’t think that companies use rating systems to rate drivers for the premium. If done properly and honestly, the customer gets the premium they deserve, not what Flo does to mislead people to think Progressive is so wonderful that the customer can merely pick their own price. How dishonest is it that Allstate is raising premiums on good loss free customers under their Price Optimization scheme? Yes, it is a scheme and thought up by people like Ron to gouge the customer and in many cases run them off. Is it good business practice to offer lower rates to new business while raising rates to loyal, long term customers who pay their bill, don’t have claims?

      • August 12, 2015 at 12:47 pm
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        • August 13, 2015 at 8:51 am
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          You do get what you pay for. So be careful

          • August 13, 2015 at 10:54 am
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        • August 13, 2015 at 11:46 am
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          It is accurate to sum up that the agent gets blamed for the bad insurance purchasing decisions of the public. They can sign a declination form on U/M, PIP or lower limits and when the accident happens, it is all the agents fault and they say they didn’t know what they were signing after it was explained to them. Do you think Flo gets sued? How about Warren Buffet when GEICO sells a substandard policy?

          • August 13, 2015 at 12:12 pm
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          • August 13, 2015 at 3:19 pm
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            In case you didn’t notice it, but Flo is the official spokesperson of the company, not a fictional character. They let her give all the misleading, deceptive ads for the company so the low information people like you can get suckered in. Another lesson, Warren Buffet is the big dog 1%’er who controls Berkshire Hathaway and GEICO. Wouldn’t it be fun to see him taken to task for what his company puts out? I wouldn’t mind because he is an Obama supporter and has reaped benefits from the association.

          • August 13, 2015 at 3:56 pm
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      • August 12, 2015 at 1:01 pm
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        • August 12, 2015 at 4:06 pm
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          Actually Ron, we all know you are a Progressive and you have proved it for the past 3-4 years in spades. You were the one who was in favor of actuarial higher prices for consumers even if it was not warranted because the model said so. When the Board saw business going away like Travelers did, they finally saw the light and came out with a new program. Actuarial wisdom is in short supply with a lot of companies. You also said arrogantly that companies do not listen to agents, also a blatant lie. I get at least 3 surveys a week from different markets asking me what they do best and what they need to work on. Amazing, they are listening now. We also have visits from marketing as well instead of them sitting in their ivory tower wondering what is going on. By the way, Price Optimization is not Capitalism. It is just a scheme thought up by someone like you to rip off customers.

          • August 13, 2015 at 10:22 am
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          • August 13, 2015 at 11:51 am
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            Actually Ron, you arrogantly said that companies don’t listen to agents on insurance pricing. Completely wrong since we have noticed several of our companies taking note and making adjustments after conferring with us. It takes some longer than others to realize their bottom line is hurting due to not putting new business on the books and agents book rolling to better markets, but eventually they get the message.

          • August 13, 2015 at 12:03 pm
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          • August 13, 2015 at 12:12 pm
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            Agent, companies do not implement rate changes based on agent feedback. Most PM’s don’t listen to their field personnel on this issue, much less an agent. If a company has changed rates after conferring with you or any other agent then it’s solely a coincidence and the PM or sales rep is giving you credit or recognition for something that was already planned. On the very rare occasion, an agent or sales rep may have the PM take a more thorough look at territories or zips where the data is thin. That’s about the extent of an agent’s influence.

          • August 13, 2015 at 12:17 pm
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            So Ron, I see you are still your arrogant self thinking you are so smart sitting their in your cubicle spouting off about dumb actuaries who rule the roost on insurance pricing for companies. Tell me, if actuaries are so smart, how come they get it wrong so often in the marketplace? Why does it take agents telling them from all parts of the country that they are off on their rates to get the message through? If a company asks me in online surveys or in person what I think of their rates or why they are not writing business or renewing business, I am going to tell them, show them quotes we have done, show them renewals. Their eyes get pretty big sometime since they were under the impression that their actuaries had it right.

          • August 13, 2015 at 12:18 pm
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          • August 13, 2015 at 1:34 pm
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        • August 13, 2015 at 8:48 am
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          Letting someone who does not know a lot about insurance pick the coverage they want does make good sense. When a claim does happen and they do not have enough insurance to cover the damages they cause, who do you think they are going to blame. They will blame the insurance agent that sold the insurance to them. So I think it is the insurance agents responsibility to fully educate the client in worse case. Show options to give good coverage, should something happen to them. And let the client decide. If he decides to take the minimum coverage after being educated about what could happen. Then I know I did what was right and document our conversation.

          • August 13, 2015 at 12:56 pm
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            Thank you Rosenblatt for sticking your nose into someone else’s conversation. You recognize Ron’s selective memory of not remembering what he said. By the way, I never said that companies adjust their pricing “solely” on agent feedback, but they do get an earful when they survey me(which is often)and I look them right in the eye when they are in my office and tell them where they are going wrong. Apparently, the info does get passed back to the powers that be. One rep apologized to me personally for the errors made at the company level and pledged to get something done. He did and they improved since then.

          • August 13, 2015 at 1:16 pm
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        • August 13, 2015 at 5:15 pm
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          Confused, I am not trolling you, just correcting your depiction of Flo. She makes big money learning her script from Progressive and yes she is the face of Progressive, even if she is getting a bit long in the tooth. I will admit she is cheerful putting out those garbage deceptive, misleading ads. She is laughing all the way to the bank. She is a true 1%’er I am sure.

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        • August 14, 2015 at 5:50 pm
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          Ron, you are sounding like a retard from Buffalo who wouldn’t know Captitalism from Socialism if it hit him up the side of his head. Your track record continues unabated. Go see a shrink for your affliction.

      • August 12, 2015 at 2:41 pm
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        Individual customers have different coverage needs based on their specific situations. PGR’s Flo is just merely pointing this out by allowing a prospect to pick a coverage option with the corresponding price. I don’t care much for it but let’s face it, many agents have helped PGR’s cause by placing prior limit, proof of prior, etc. limitations/guidelines on the new business they write. May be a good business decision from an agency perspective but companies won’t follow.

        • August 12, 2015 at 4:10 pm
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          Well SW, you are right that Progressive and Allstate won’t follow and Farmers is not far behind. Gee, there must be a reason why Allstate & Farmers agents want out of their captive contract. Allstate agents even formed a guild/union to deal with management on issues.

        • August 13, 2015 at 3:44 pm
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          Great Rosenblatt, it is fine for Ron to insult me for years and tell me I don’t know the insurance business. You can’t abide me insulting back to him. He is clearly not sorry for his insults. He proves it every article on this blog. Stop defending him. That is one Progressive looking out for the other. I don’t believe either one of you ever have sold a Personal Lines policy or had to look eyeball to eyeball to a customer and try to explain a big rate increase on Home & Auto with no apparent reason. I also don’t think you have done any re-marketing to other carriers to find a better solution and hoping their algorithms are better than the big rate increase carrier.

          Ron once admitted that he tried sales for a short while and found out it wasn’t his cup of tea. I wonder why since he has such a sparkling personality. Sales Manager to Ron: Ron, we noticed you haven’t sold anything. What seems to be the problem? Ron to Sales Manager: They just don’t understand algorithms and the necessity to raise their rates so they walk out on me.

          • August 13, 2015 at 4:06 pm
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          • August 13, 2015 at 4:12 pm
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            Last sentence should’ve read: I can get my 4 year old niece to teach you the *difference between* fiction and non-fiction *if* you’d like.

          • August 14, 2015 at 9:50 am
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  • August 13, 2015 at 5:19 pm
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    Rosenblatt, I can get my grand daughter to explain why Dolphins are not the same as people to you if you like.

    • August 14, 2015 at 9:59 am
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      • August 14, 2015 at 12:04 pm
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        Rosenblatt, I don’t care if Flo is an actress reading lines, has a different real name or not. Progressive is putting her in front of the American people as their spokesperson doing deceptive/dishonest ads proclaiming how wonderful they are. I have Progressive for troubled drivers and the last time their rep was in my office I asked him why they do these things. He grinned sheepishly and said he didn’t like them either, but the powers that be thought differently so it is what it is.

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      • August 14, 2015 at 5:28 pm
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        Fake advertising by an actress reading a line to deceive the public. They are like the fake “Progressive” government we have who lies about almost everything to gain an advantage.

        • August 26, 2015 at 4:16 pm
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          New bulletin for the unbelievers! On Property Casualty 360 is a story of GEICO getting caught in California after its online price quotes misrepresented some coverage as the cheapest option available. They were basing the quote on education level, occupation and gender and then would tell the customer that BI limits of 100/300 were the cheapest available even though the minimum limit in California was $15/30 BI. GEICO agreed to pay a fine of $6 million and they could have to pay an additional $6 million if they don’t correct their system.



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