“Insurance brokers and assister programs appear to serve somewhat different populations, with brokers less likely to serve Latinos, uninsured people and low-income consumers eligible for Medicaid.”
I can think of a few out here who would downright refuse to help these people in need. Just like what Jesus would do.
FFA, Planet would rather couch it in terms to make us “racists”. By the way, I have plenty of Latino’s on the books for personal lines. They don’t ask me about Health Insurance and I don’t bring it up. In fact, I don’t bring it up with any customer. I am P&C all the way now and I like it that way. Obamacare is a disaster of biblical proportions and has done nothing but divide this country, hurt the economy and I don’t want the E&O exposure. I know you tried to make it work and gave it a shot and was bitterly disappointed with the result.
Disappointed that I bit on one of many lies – Full New Business Commission at 15% to find out Obamas “full Commission” is only 5%.
Yes, every agent was lied to regarding that aspect.
FFA, do you remember the push to appoint Navigators to assist applicants? They didn’t even run background checks on those people. They could have been identity thieves for all we know. There is no telling how many people got screwed up information, ended up with plans they have since found out doesn’t pay anything and had their identity compromised.
August 13, 2015 at 2:16 pm
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background checks don’t work for gun ownership according to you Agent – why would they work here?
August 13, 2015 at 5:47 pm
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FFA, I think had you heard all the Gruber revelations, you may have had reservations about trying to write Health Insurance under that system, don’t you think?
August 14, 2015 at 1:45 pm
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I bought into the lies. Hook line and sinker. Had I know the truth, I would have stayed away.
August 14, 2015 at 3:58 pm
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“background checks don’t work for gun ownership according to you Agent – why would they work here?”
False equivalency, and trying to prove another person a hypocrite in one post. You’re working overtime today Confused.
Could being a stupid, incompetent, idiot have had anything to do with that? From your previous statements here it is pretty clear you only understand the right-wing talking points about the program, and not the reality-based facts about the program. It would be difficult for me think about a person I would be less trusting to buy insurance from when it comes to this topic.
If your referring to me, I appear to be the only agent in this mix putting business on. Until you have the experience with this that I do, you have no room to speak. I go through the training not once (personal license), but twice (Corp License) every year as do my employees.
Would you rather have some random person on a 800 number to talk to or an office to walk into and see the person you are giving your personal info to face to face?
You go ahead and call some random person. The horror stories from them folks keep piling up and up and up.
Until you are experienced with this, your comments / opinions are not worth the time to type it out. So go ahead and blast on the only person with actual working experience on a regular basis. I could use a good laugh.
August 13, 2015 at 5:45 pm
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Confused, your leftist mind is working overtime insulting me. Background checks do work for legitimate gun owners who follow the law. The thugs buying guns out of a car trunk don’t bother with anything. The background checks are useful to see criminal records, offenses that would disqualify them to be Navigators. We will never know since no background checks are done on these individuals.
The inference was very clear Planettroll. You expect me to feel guilty about not signing on to Obamacare and trying like FFA did to make it work, spending all those hours trying to help someone for a paltry 5% commission and have all the problems, issues, with customers? I sleep very well indeed for not getting involved with the worst legislation ever passed and signed into law.
Planet, following is a verse from the Bible that you need to ask your Pastor Mike about for meaning?
Ecclesiastes 10:2 – The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but a fool’s heart to the left.
How about that for wisdom?
August 13, 2015 at 8:59 pm
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I think there’s also some verse in there about sheep to the right and goats to the left.
Ecclesiates is great part…turn..turn…turn
August 13, 2015 at 11:06 am
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Hi FFA. I am going to enjoy watching the PGA Championship from Sheboygan, Wi this week. That is one rugged golf course at Whistling Straits right on the shores of Lake Michigan. One of those 1%’ers that Ron loves to hate owns the course, Herb Kohler of plumbing fixtures fame who is worth about $4Billion. I would like to take some of the Progressive idiots and flush them down Herb Kohler’s toilets.
Actually FFA, Whistling Straits is quite a great course and he also owns another at Black Wolf Run near by. They have had 3 PGA’s at Whistling Straits in 04,10 and now this year. They have an overage of bunkers on it to suit me and admitted they think about 1,000 of every shape and size. I would hate to think how high the scores would be if the wind is up coming off Lake Michigan.
August 13, 2015 at 2:19 pm
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Agent,
I hate no one. Not even you or bob. At the end of the day, we are all brothers and sisters regardless of race, religion, social or economic standing, political affiliation/ideology or any other characteristic.
HMM, Ron. Did you suddenly have an “Epiphany” or is this post a brief pause before you start a new attack? Forgive me if I am skeptical. I am still amazed at how you voted for Obama twice since he is the biggest race baiter, divider by economic class and also by gender. How can you have your current attitude and still think he was the answer? It all comes down to knowing right from wrong, simple as that.
August 14, 2015 at 8:55 am
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Agent,
No epiphany. This is who I am. I am a Christian who believes hate is a waste of emotion. I have never intended to attack you, I was just defending myself from your attacks. You are the one who started with the character attacks calling me a Progressive, Socialist, Liberal Democrat, when I have clearly stated that I am an Independent who believes in lower taxes, smaller government, and reduced spending. I just want to have an honest debate where we can challenge each other and respond civilly and with substance.
I really do not know how many times I can say this, I have been disappointed with President Obama and never said he was the answer. My position has been and always will be that one person will never be the answer and the we give presidents too much credit and too much blame. They are not dictators or kings.
At the risk of giving you a heart attack, I am starting to like Ben Carson as a candidate, not just as a Republican. For me, he comes right after Scott Walker.
I am a little concerned about his flat tax plan though. It is wealth redistribution upwards because it increases taxes on the bottom 43%, including military personnel, senior citizens and the working lower and middle classes, in order to lowers taxes on the top. In addition, it would harm the economy by taking money out of the private sector and hand it over to the government.
He said the number, to remain revenue neutral, is between 10 and 15%. For my family, we would give the government at least $6,500 more which is $6,500 less than what I currently spend in the private sector. Multiply that by 5 million households and you have over $32 billion transferred from the private sector to the government.
However, I believe it is a moot point since I do not think it would ever get through Congress and implemented anyway.
August 14, 2015 at 1:18 pm
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For the last time:
The 43% pay nothing. His plan gets their skin in the game, it is not in order to lower taxes on the top.
Also, now you’re a Christian, eh? Why don’t you call yourself a Catholic, if you are one as you previously claimed?
I once called you a Catholic apologetic, you were not true in faith.
As for not hating people, you can wrap your hate in bows, but you do hate.
That much is very clear. Your hate is why you are clouded in politics.
August 14, 2015 at 1:29 pm
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Wait, Ron said he’s a Christian and bob asked him “Why don’t you call yourself a Catholic?” What am I missing here?
Aren’t there over 30 different kinds of Christians? Can’t Ron be a non-Catholic Christian? Isn’t that entirely possible?
August 14, 2015 at 1:38 pm
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Welcome back bob,
All Catholics are Christians. You do know that, right? I identify myself as a Christian first, with Catholic beliefs. I believe you be hard pressed to find anyone 100% true in their faith.
I know what he wants to do, and I do not necessarily disagree that more people should be paying federal income taxes, including myself. I am only pointing out the potential consequences to the economy when 43% of the country takes over $32 billion out of the private sector and hands it over to the government. Don’t you see the potentially adverse impact this could have on the economy? Who would you rather had that money, the private sector or the government. Those are the only 2 choices.
Who are you to tell someone whether they hate or not? I may disagree with you and dislike your approach to debating, but I honestly hold no ill will or hatred toward you. I would much prefer that we could debate civilly and without insults.
August 14, 2015 at 2:14 pm
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I am well aware of the back story of Christians Ron.
And I am well aware of why young people don’t call themselves Catholic. I call it Catholic apologetic for a reason, and you are educated enough as a Catholic (if you’re a real one) to know why I called it that. Or are you really not enough of a Catholic to know? I really doubt it. Any Catholic knows enough to know why I just said what I said.
“I am only pointing out the potential consequences to the economy when 43% of the country takes over $32 billion out of the private sector and hands it over to the government”
If you were only pointing that out, you would have only pointed that out. You instead talked about redistribution again, which this is not redistribution.
I directed what I needed to direct. I am also not ok with a Flat Tax and some reasons match yours. Calling it redistribution is completely not accurate though.
August 14, 2015 at 2:19 pm
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“I am a little concerned about his flat tax plan though. It is wealth redistribution upwards because it increases taxes on the bottom 43%, including military personnel, senior citizens and the working lower and middle classes, in order to lowers taxes on the top”
So then this whole phrase is what I directed. You twisted it to mean that. Making sure the lower class pays some sort of tax is not wealth redistribution.
And making them pay taxes does is not to make the wealthy pay less.
You’re being dishonest, and you’re pulling at emotional strings at the same time.
Considering liberals do this a lot, and you hate republican tactics more than liberals, I imagine it is due to what you perceive as being acceptable as to why you’re doing it.
Well your perception is wrong. The way you argued there is unethical. And when you get a republican wanting to essentially insult you after doing it, that would be your fault.
Instead, you generally see people as agent who are angry as trolls, rather than what you did to piss them off.
August 14, 2015 at 2:59 pm
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bob,
Let’s agree to disagree what constitutes a redistribution of wealth and leave it at that. Neither of us will ever change the other’s point of view on that matter. I know your position and respect why you see it that way. In addition, my post was not directed toward you.
You said, ” Making sure the lower class pays some sort of tax is not wealth redistribution.” I agree with you. And if Mr. Carson’s proposal was only to accomplish that, I would not say it is a redistribution of wealth. However, his plan does reduce taxes on the wealthy, by a healthy margin. He even said his goal is to be revenue neutral. That means if someone is paying less, someone else has to pay more. Correct?
Agent has created his own messes and you know it. I am only there to point them out.
August 14, 2015 at 4:02 pm
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You being a Catholic know exactly what Agent would be in the Catholic Church and what your role is in talking to him.
These are not solely his messes. You choose to talk to him the way you do.
I’m sorry but you’re not getting off the hook on it.
Agent would be the equivalent of a strict Catholic, forth coming, outspoken. A no BS attitude.
What does the Church tell us to do with such people?
Question their character?
Call them a hypocrite?
I think not. Agent is fully complete on his own, and it’s clear you don’t think of him as such. You think of him as nearly handicapped.
Moving forward on wealth redistribution: So ignore the entire debate by saying let’s agree to disagree when you’re wrong. I see.
Well I can’t argue with that so I won’t.
August 15, 2015 at 9:37 am
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bob,
Please do not comment on my history debating Agent. It is not your place.
Unless your are God, you are no position to judge anyone.
I did not question Agent’s character. He is a hypocrite and has been proven to be by several people on this blog. Do you disagree that he is hypocritical sometimes?
You said, “Agent is fully complete on his own, and it’s clear you don’t think of him as such. You think of him as nearly handicapped.” What do you even mean by this statement?
I tried to end our debate on what constitutes wealth redistribution civilly, and you chose to insult me. Nice. I even explained that I understand your position. This is the problem with you and Agent. I try to have civil discussion and you feel the need to insult me instead. Is that what Jesus would do? How Christian of you both.
When it comes to health insurance, brokers are the definition of rent seeking middlemen. They provide no value,unlike in commercial lines, property lines, etc., and do nothing other than drive up prices. Just think about how ridiculous it is that some people are giving borderline, to full-blown retards like Agent money in order to have health insurance.
You have lost your mind UW. I spend hours on end trying to resolve issues with the piece of crap web site in addition to fixing the pin head navigators messes.
If you can’t “Take it”, get out of the kitchen. Are you kin to UW? UW insulted agents like FFA & I who are, according to him worthless and only drive up prices. Do you not recognize insults from the left? I give it back in spades. No one can do that without a reply. Get off the blog.
August 13, 2015 at 4:34 pm
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stop insulting people. it’s getting old.
August 14, 2015 at 1:18 pm
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Grow up.
Everyone here says some sort of insult.
August 14, 2015 at 1:19 pm
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For example, you just told him to shut up.
Ooooo.
Oh no! Why don’t we all just talk however the hell we want?
“Oh no! Why don’t we all just talk however the hell we want?” Great idea, too bad I always see you telling people on this site how to talk. Care to take your own advice here?
August 14, 2015 at 2:20 pm
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Confused,
Ignorance. Pure ignorance. I won’t even direct it confused.
August 14, 2015 at 2:22 pm
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Confused,
I know you’re delusional and all, but I’m a little tired of arguing with someone of your intellect and general antagonizing level.
When I have told people their argument is not productive, for example, you consider it the same as someone coming in telling Agent, solely, to stop insulting people?
It isn’t. I tell people to stay on topic. That is essentially all.
August 14, 2015 at 2:25 pm
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In other words:
If I’m having all insults and no facts, I will tell someone: “Address the issue”.
That is telling them to stay on topic, it is not telling them necessarily how to talk.
When I have told agent not to say things a certain way as it doesn’t help his case, it’s the same thing.
It won’t help his case.
How should I word it confused? How do you propose it?
Use some examples of when I have done what you state. Then you’ll see I always say, this isn’t relevant to the conversation at hand.
And I’m the ONLY person here who says it at both sides.
So while your attempt to lump me as some conservative hypocrite is comical, it is also annoying kid.
August 14, 2015 at 2:47 pm
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bob – first you state you won’t direct my comment, then you make 2 posts about my comment. #hypocrite
you want examples of when you’ve told people how to talk? easy. just looking at the most recent article with the most comments, let’s see what I can find for you
Here you are specifically telling someone what they can post: “The only words for you here are : I AM WRONG and I AM SORRY”
Here you are telling someone they’re stupid and have no right to get upset (you’re telling someone how to act here) “You need to just understand how the world works more and not get so riled up about it.”
Here you are insulting someone and telling them to post ‘on topic’ when it was Agent who was making all the off-topic comments: “That is not honest debate. Stay on topic. His silence is due to being done with your stupidity.”
and that’s just in one article
August 14, 2015 at 3:04 pm
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See my other comments.
I decided to direct your post, it doesn’t make me a hypocrite. I don’t want to direct your posts. It takes too much time for what shouldn’t be an issue, of some kid trying to incite a fight in order to discredit another human being. And lets not kid ourselves, that is your goal here. To discredit my character to gloss over all my arguments.
What I told people there is not at all similar to what was said above.
When it comes to how to treat me, when I demand someone say they are sorry, that is not dominating them as you imply. How dare I tell them what they can say. Or…How dare they say the crap. I don’t ask to be treated well. I demand it. Telling someone they have to say sorry is not what you just tried to make it out to be. Dishonest moron.
Moving to the other example:
I told her “You need to just understand how the world works more and not get so riled up about it.””
Is not telling her how to talk, I’m sorry, it’s not. It is telling someone not to get riled up.
I have never said “Celtica, don’t speak.”.
August 14, 2015 at 3:05 pm
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You know what confused, let’s just @#%@%ing play.
I’m sick of you. Let’s hash this out right now, you, and me.
Get out all your venting and bull crap about my hypocrisy. It clearly bothers you. Lay it all out on the table.
August 14, 2015 at 3:06 pm
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And I will show you how you’re wrong, and basically are saying what every 20 year old says.
This is so old I can barely stand it, but why not.
if you don’t want to direct my posts bob, you have the option of not hitting reply and not typing a response. do you not have that kind of restraint?
i can say whatever i want, however i want to, to anyone, and you have no power to change that no matter how many insults or I’m-better-than-you comments you make.
after all, like you said – “Why don’t we all just talk however the hell we want?” along those lines, rest assured that i will continue to point out your hypocrisy when you are being hypocritical.
August 14, 2015 at 3:31 pm
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Take it somewhere else:
Wow. You really put agent in place there! Can you hear the sarcasm?
What exactly is your point?
Are you trying to say that because my goal was to put you in your place I’m such a scum bag? You would be calling yourself a scum bag by that measure.
Or are you saying your a little rebel who can’t be put in place?
That shows some degree of being a childish person. Does it not?
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You think you’re a lot smarter than you are confused. You just did a huge post to prove me an unrestrained person and thought you threw my line back at me well. You didn’t.
Yes. I can choose not to reply. And I can choose to have you make me look like a fool and dis credit me, but, I decided you needed to lose your charm here. It wasn’t about being unable to control myself. I often don’t reply on posts at all. Regardless of that, saying I can’t restrain myself but to respond to a guy being a jerk…Is bullying behavior.
Yes. We will all say what we want. That doesn’t point out my hypocrisy. I finally told you just get it all out there. Go ahead. My saying I don’t want to deal with it doesn’t mean I’m saying not to speak. I am saying I’m sick of it, that doesn’t make me a hypocrite. In fact I told you just to spew it out like the nonsense it is and I will direct it.
So how did I just become a hypocrite by telling you to talk?
August 14, 2015 at 3:35 pm
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Confused,
Was it because I said I won’t enjoy directing your crap?
Thank you sir may I have another? Is that what I should say?
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take it somewhere else:
I should note I was talking in a few perspectives. It was not my goal to put you in your place.
It was to tell everyone here, who treats agent like crap, that it isn’t ok to treat him like crap.
I disagree with him often. He’s blunt and in your face.
But I see those here who try to do this stuff confused is now, he’s finding an in to label me the ultimate troll, the ultimate hypocrite, why exactly?
Look at the motivation factor. It is because he wants to give reason to attack and disregard a human being.
I disagree often. I throw in insults when I shouldn’t. I admit, and I move on.
This confused guy, and you, are just saying to stop saying insults, to basically discredit the person you’re saying it to and make people think less of them.
When I disregard an insult, or say to stop insulting, or even when I insult, it is to disregard their ignorant argument, not the person. I don’t have time for such debates here.
“And I can choose to have you make me look like a fool and dis credit me, but, I decided you needed to lose your charm here.”
don’t worry bob, you’re doing a great job of making yourself look foolish all on your own. usually that happens when you tell someone what you know they meant even though they already told you they meant something completely different
“I often don’t reply on posts at all.”
and other times you post 3+ times on a post that is all over the place and you get upset when someone doesn’t reply to every single one of your points.
“Regardless of that, saying I can’t restrain myself but to respond to a guy being a jerk…Is bullying behavior.”
i’m sure you know all about bullying behavior. @$*(^&$ YOU BOB, YOU ARE A MORON AND YOU ARE NOT ARGUING HONESTLY. WHAT YOU’RE SAYING IS NOT WHAT YOU REALLY MEAN AND I KNOW IT. GROW UP YOU @)#($*& IDIOT. that was bullying, right?
“So how did I just become a hypocrite by telling you to talk?”
you didn’t. i called you a hypocrite for saying “I won’t even direct it” then two minutes later posting twice directing it. you can back track all you like and make excuses for why you did it after you were called out on it, but you can’t hide the truth – you said you weren’t going to do something then you immediately went and did it anyway. that is hypocritical no matter how you try to justify it
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Changing one’s mind does not make them a hypocrite.
Look at the definition.
Moving on:
Generally speaking, someone who bullies speaks like you. In control, that is your goal. Someone who says all caps, SCREW YOU! Isn’t the bully. Those people are always left to the curb. I’ve been bullied so I know how dominance works and how I broke it.
““So how did I just become a hypocrite by telling you to talk?”
you didn’t. i called you a hypocrite for saying “I won’t even direct it” then two minutes later posting twice directing it. you can back track all you like and make excuses for why you did it after you were called out on it, but you can’t hide the truth – you said you weren’t going to do something then you immediately went and did it anyway. that is hypocritical no matter how you try to justify it”
You said you would CONTINUE to point out I was a hypocrite. Your example cited above is not an example of being a hypocrite and was not what you were referring to.
It’s getting old Confused. What else do you have to say?
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Regarding your paraphrasing of my quotes, which I what I think you were doing there:
No. That isn’t bullying. When someone lies about their words and I point it out, I don’t say all caps @%#@#% you I know what you say, first of all, but second of all, it wouldn’t be bullying even if I did that.
I am calm first, pissed when someone says a sly one liner in order to try and make me look like a fool. When someone comes in trying to make someone look like a fool in public, remind me what they are?
Usually when you see someone bullying you see one kid saying “SCREW YOU LEAVE ME ALONE”. And you see another guy saying “Hahaha, he’s saying I won’t leave him alone, he’s a hypocrite, I’m not doing anything! Look how pathetic he is”
The way you deal with a bully isn’t showing they are pathetic. It’s showing them that they are worth every bit as much as you. That’s right. Leaving on a positive tone.
Now yes, I get mad, but I give every opportunity for someone to stop. When you constantly degrade my image I then say “screw you”. Then I give another chance to be respectful. And if they don’t take it I do another swing. It’s a defensive type of thing. I show I won’t let someone dominate me, but I will submit provided the person stops.
thank you for proving my earlier point, bob. you just wrote “Your example cited above is not an example of being a hypocrite and was not what you were referring to.”
put aside that i believe the example I gave was you being a hypocrite for a second, here you are telling me what I said was not what I meant when I wrote “I will continue to point out your hypocrisy.”
That was future tense, as in, I will continue to point out your hypocrisy in the future when you make hypocritical statements. but i guess you think it’s okay to put words in my mouth and tell me what i really meant.
Another example of your ignorance. I don’t put words into their mouths. If you read the rest of that, I told him I hold people accountable for things they said when they try to back out of it later due to their words not being popular.
When someone clearly said something, I hold them accountable.
I do not, randomly say : Agent says this.
Look at your example. Out of nowhere a guy said what I was saying on something I never even directed.
While you are too stupid to see the difference, it does exist as a difference and is not hypocrisy. Moving on connecting that to now: I was not telling you what you meant. I was stating what you said. You definitely said you would continue showing my hypocrisy. You were not quoting my hypocrisy regarding the issue you said you were. It is easy to see you are saying that in hind site. I’m holding you accountable because you’re bluntly lying. That isn’t putting words in your mouth, if it is accurate that you’re bluntly lying. It wouldn’t make me a hypocrite.
I can’t believe how much you’re trying to pull for me putting words in your mouth and me being a hypocrite. I know the motivation behind it, and it is bullying behavior.
Do you have any other frustrations? That involve me being the worst scum hypocrite in the world? Or are you done?
August 14, 2015 at 4:40 pm
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Confused,
I’m quite serious. Are you done with the character attacks? You’re reaching for straws going back in posts, trying to make me into something I’m not.
Side comment: That is speaking for me and what I was saying.
Soooooo….Considering the argument at hand…Should I say #Hypocrite?
I already think I know your response to my saying this too. So I’ll just wait and see if you are the type of person I think you are.
Which I’m 90% sure you are, but you might surprise me.
Now I’m not saying that makes you a horrible person. But it would explain why you’re arguing with me.
with the exception of me calling you a hypocrite, I have not once insulted you, implied you were scum, or made any other negative implications about you. i find it speaks volumes about your character that you have gotten so defensive right now that you are now telling me what my intentions are and that you think i’m trying to call you scum or something like that. if i wanted to say you were scum, i would just come out and say so in no uncertain terms. i am not done pointing out your hypocrisy as i’m sure i’ll have to do that again in the future. and then you can tell me to ‘shut up child’ and continue your non-bullying-bullying tactics as is normal.
There’s a lot going on between Confused and bob, but I just have to chime in: bob, you definitely have put words in my mouth before. Specifically when you say things like, “you did not mean what you wrote and what you said you meant. I know what you really meant and it was actually something else, and here’s why you’re wrong.” Implying you do not post this way is dishonest.
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Rosenblatt,
Screw you.
I am not being dishonest. I have described what I do.
What has happened is you have bluntly tip toed around a topic and I have held you accountable for your words.
What is dishonest is what you just did right there.
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” i find it speaks volumes about your character that you have gotten so defensive right now that you are now telling me what my intentions are and that you think i’m trying to call you scum or something like that. if i wanted to say you were scum, i would just come out and say so in no uncertain terms”
A blunt lie. You have felt compelled to post to this degree, so it is obviously of extreme character importance.
The only reason you just said the above, is to save what little image you have left, after holding on this hardcore to whether or not I was a hypocrite because I changed my mind about whether or not to talk to you.
That stuck pretty hardcore, no matter which way you try to “justify it”.
August 14, 2015 at 5:16 pm
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Are we done with this absurd conversation where you try to position yourself as some sort of above me aspect?
Because I know I am. Your next reply should be, good day and good bye.
August 14, 2015 at 5:17 pm
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Rosenblatt,
In fact, hell no. We are not having peace or any conversations until you admit what you just did right there.
We both know what it was, so say in your own words what you just did and why it was wrong.
August 14, 2015 at 5:22 pm
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So here is what you just tried to do Rosenblatt,
You saw a circumstance where you could twist scenario, to make me into a liar. You haven’t been able to do it yet, but it would give you immeasurable power in future debates to say “yeah well you lie” to reference the post.
This is a common tactic, and I know it is yours. Don’t lie and say it isn’t. You saw opportunity to knock your opponent out.
August 14, 2015 at 5:24 pm
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And Rosenblatt:
I have watched you do this with Agent. So I know you do it.
You’re pretty good at it, when it comes to the no BS type of personality.
The issue here is: The no BS mentality is the main mentality which stops BS.
August 17, 2015 at 1:39 pm
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Bob said: “Another example of your ignorance. I don’t put words into their mouths. If you read the rest of that, I told him I hold people accountable for things they said when they try to back out of it later due to their words not being popular.”
Bob, you and I have gone back and forth on this a number of times. You do put words in people’s mouths, and you do tell them what they really mean by their comments. And when people disagree, you tell them that they just don’t realize what their own thoughts and motives are.
“This is a scenario where you want them to shut up you just don’t realize it.”
Those are your words Bob. Your words telling me that I didn’t know what I was really thinking.
You rail about people ‘labeling’ this, that or the other thing, but you are the worst offender of anyone on here. You have slapped a label on every person that comments here, and read each comment through the filter of that label. And those filters make you twist even the most innocuous comments into something you can attack over.
For example, Agent and I said the same thing about how the Republicans could repeal the ACA – win the White House. And while you agreed with him, you continued to blast me in numerous comments for saying something you claimed to agree with! That’s not ‘holding me accountable,’ that’s attacking just for the sake of attacking.
If someone says “I don’t like cheese,” you don’t automatically assume that they hate everything about the state of Wisconsin because it’s residents are called ‘cheese heads.’ You just assume that they mean that they don’t like cheese. Same thing goes for discussions here. Stop debating people based on what you think they might mean, and start debating them based on what they actually say. It will cut way down on these sorts of arguments.
Thank you BS for confirmation that Bob definitely puts words in people’s mouths and has told people what they really meant to say regardless of what the person actually said.
Like I’ve said before – I definitely do not always agree with you, but I respect your well-reasoned, rational, and bereft-of-negative-emotions posts.
That said, it’s a brand new week so I wouldn’t expect to see bob posting a reply to either of us here.
August 14, 2015 at 3:19 pm
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Hey Ron, what a joke. I have created messes????? Your belief in Progressive Socialism and the Progressive Tax Code and the wild Keynsian spending machine of the Federal Government is where the messes have been made. You don’t have any skin in the game so you are totally unqualified to comment on taxation. The thing that worries you is that a flat tax may require you to pay “some” tax. If a flat tax will result in cutting loop holes out, it will generate more income and a commensurate cut in excessive spending will allow a balanced budget to be done (post Obama). We have almost $19 Trillion in debt as a country and are spending borrowed dollars. What if China cuts us off due to their own economic problems which is being manifested as we speak? Who is going to fund the government then? Is your answer to print more money like the Weimar Republic prior to WW2? That didn’t work out so well, did it?
You know what fellas, all this nonsense and word parsing and accusations and tantrum throwing is getting very old with me. I include Bob, Confused, Rosenblatt in the group. Making a mountain out of every mole hill is a very unattractive quality. It also reveals the deep division we have in this country. Progressives on one side, Conservatives on the other. I believe the root cause is that Progressives really don’t want to admit that their agenda is unraveling before their eyes. Obama was a huge mistake and everything he has done has divided the country by race, gender and economic class. It has not been a good 7 years and people are at each others throat constantly. I hereby request that you stop it. I am not going to stop giving the Conservative viewpoints and you should respect my opinions and you should offer valid arguments for your point of view without the usual attacks.
Bob, Progressive Leftists do not know right from wrong so that is why they don’t understand us. They lose every argument because they can’t explain why their way is better. The ones on this blog are just attack dogs, character assassins and have been thoroughly brainwashed. I speak more bluntly than you do. Don’t expect to get anywhere with any of them.
August 17, 2015 at 10:49 am
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Agent,
You said, “Progressive Leftists do not know right from wrong so that is why they don’t understand us.” Thank you for finally acknowledging that I am NOT a Progressive Leftist. First, I do know right from wrong. If I didn’t, I would have at least served some jail time. In addition, I do vote mostly for Republicans. Second, I completely understand you. I just do not always agree with you.
Ron, your voting record gives you away. You have voted for Obama twice, have defended him many, many times on a number of issues. The worst you ever say about him is that he has “disappointed” you some. Hello! You and Planet are operating in a different universe. You claiming you are a moderate is the biggest joke on this blog and Bob has dismantled you every time.
So, voting for more Republicans than Democrats in my lifetime makes me what?
I have not defended him, just pointed out, with facts and data, that he is not doing any more damage than any other president before him. If you do not know the difference, then that’s your problem, not mine.
You may complain about how divided this country has become, but that falls on all of us, not just one man. If you honestly believe that one man can make that much of an impact, where was President GW Bush when the division began? I am not blaming him, only pointing out the fact that uniting or the dividing of the country has never occurred because of one man, it is usually events that have that impact.
When have I ever called myself a moderate?
For the record, bob has never dismantled anyone, ever. And neither have I or anyone else.
My exact words, “Agent has created his own messes and you know it.” I was only referring to our debates. How did become a referendum on government policies? Please stay on point.
You complain about the division in this country, yet do nothing but fuel the fire.
Did you miss the part of my post when I said, “I know what he (Ben Carson) wants to do, and I do not necessarily disagree that more people should be paying federal income taxes, including myself.” Stop saying I do not want to pay taxes. It is dishonest at best.
You said, “If a flat tax will result in cutting loop holes out, it will generate more income..” You do realize that Dr. Carson’s plan is to be revenue neutral, right? Sounds like he wants to take money from 43% of the country, launder it through the government, and pass it on to the wealthy.
I’m pretty sure that when the bible was written, right and left meant right and wrong, not that right means “conservative beliefs in a constitutional republic” and left means “progressive liberal beliefs in a constitutional republic.” Please explain why you think Ecclesiastes 10:2 applies to the progressive liberal democrats.
Anyone who cites Bible verses in a political discussion in this great country, automatically loses. First, we are not a theocracy. Second, as Please Explain Further has already pointed out, they were not talking about Conservatives and Liberals back then when they talked about right and left. They did not exist.
August 17, 2015 at 11:33 am
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You prove my point Ron. Progressive Socialists do not know right from wrong. The heart leaning to the left is a “fool”. The wise heart leans to the right. This is basic morals/ethics 101. It has held true for thousands of years and it will continue to be true.
While I do not agree with Progressives, Liberals and/or Socialists verymuch, to say none of them know right from wrong is not an accurate statement. Jesus would have been considered a Progressive, Socialist Liberal while he walked the Earth. Are you saying that He did not know right from wrong?
In addition, nobody was arguing what was said in the Bible nor trying to interpret it differently. All we said was that right does not equal today’s Conservatives and left does not equal today’s Liberals in the Bible.
Maybe I’m just not smart enough to read between the lines in your post Agent, but I still do not understand how Ecclesiastes 10:2 applies.
Like I said, when the bible was written, right and left meant right and wrong, not conservative/republicans and liberal/democrats.
Can you please explain how you think Ecclesiastes 10:2 applies to progressive liberal democrats?
August 18, 2015 at 10:37 am
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Bob, actually I am an unapologetic Protestant. Many do not like my blunt talk and I don’t parse words or make a mountain out of every mole hill like many of the leftists on this blog do.
We need more plain talk about how much trouble this country is in due to the terrible policies put in by Progressives, mostly Democrats in the past 20 years. The past 7 years has been a major train wreck and the wreckage is strewn from shore to shore. Bad leadership begets bad policies and we have an abundance of bad leadership which is downright awful. I look forward to a new day dawning starting in January, 2017.
We know you are unapologetic. Even when proven wrong.
If your blunt talk was based in facts and data and not just your own narrow, world view, we would enjoy it much more.
I love how ignore the fact that Republican Presidents were in office during the 2 worst financial collapses in our country’s history. Or that the only 2 presidents to oversee the doubling of the national debt were Republicans. One being the Conservative hero, President Reagan.
I love how you are unapologetic about your hero Obama who has spent more than all the other Presidents in history combined with not much to show for it except increasing the debt to $19 Trillion. Lowest labor participation rate since 1978, 46 million on food stamps, record applications for disability, companies moving offshore because of excessive taxation, EPA killing jobs with overbearing regulation, entitlements galore, no immigration policy and inviting illegals to come in and draw entitlements. What a track record!
You know that won’t work Ron – you are still a low information 2-time voter of Obama. Just because you see the folly of your ways now doesn’t mean you are absolved of being insulted by Agent for voting for Obama in the first place. At least that’s what I expect he’ll say if he says anything.
It is an honest apology, yet a little tongue in cheek. I do not think he has done any real harm by himself and I would say that about most presidents before him. We have a president, not a dictator or king. Anyone who has read,and understands, the Constitution knows a president has very little real power, outside of military action.
August 19, 2015 at 11:54 am
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Forgive me Ron, but your apology is not honest. You have spent nearly 7 years touting Obama, defending his leftist agenda, wild Keynsian spending, moronic policies and I don’t think you have changed a bit. For someone who has, as you put it very little power, he has sure made a monumental mess of things, defied laws on the books, failed to enforce laws he didn’t like, tried to rule with the pen, threatened veto’s with anything Congress wanted to pass that was not in his agenda. The US is the laughing stock of the world now with how stupidly this man has governed.
You said, “You have spent nearly 7 years touting Obama, defending his leftist agenda, wild Keynesian spending, moronic policies..”. Funny thing about that is, it is totally inaccurate.
You said,” For someone who has, as you put it very little power, he has sure made a monumental mess of things, defied laws on the books, failed to enforce laws he didn’t like, tried to rule with the pen, threatened veto’s with anything Congress wanted to pass that was not in his agenda.” And this is different than previous presidents how? You have no understanding of history.
You said, “The US is the laughing stock of the world now with how stupidly this man has governed.”. If you think this started with President Obama, you are totally clueless to how the rest of the world views us.
August 14, 2015 at 9:32 am
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The ACA is just another byproduct of the policies of this current government that has united this country… i.e. it has united those on the left against those united on the right.
Isn’t it ironic that the term ‘navigators’ was chosen… for a derelict ship, the U.S.S. ACA ?
Yogi, derelict is much too kind of a description for this disaster. Hollywood could not make up a script this bad to make a movie about it. I think you might agree that the triumvirate of Pelosi, Reid & Obama foisted a criminal conspiracy on this country aided by their wonder boy Jonathon Gruber.
Hey Please, if I have to explain the difference between right and wrong to you, your parents didn’t do a good job bringing you up. Progressive Liberal Democrats are “Leftists” and therefore wrong, get it? Conservatives, whether they are Republicans or Conservative Independents are “Right” and wise, get it?
I get we now say “right” for Republicans and “left” for Democrats, but the bible was written many many many years before America was a country. How can you say the bible is referencing Republicans and Democrats when those groups didn’t even exist for over a thousand years after the book was written?
There is a good term for people like you. It is called an
ASK-HOLE. That is for people that keep asking goofy questions and don’t understand the answer and don’t believe it.
All we are saying is that the Bible was NOT referencing Conservatives/Republicans and Liberals/Democrats. That is all. If “Conservatives/Republicans and Liberals/Democrats” are mentioned in the Bible specifically, please cite where and I will be happy to concede and congratulate you on educating us. Otherwise, go learn some basic, 2nd grade reading comprehension.
The difference between right and wrong can be very subjective. Example, I think it is wrong to increase taxes on one group of people and decrease taxes on another group of people. You and bob believe that it is right. If you want to increase taxes on 43% of the country so they have skin in the game or to start paying for the benefits they receive, I am OK with that. Just don’t lower taxes on the others and also complain about our debt and deficits.
Ron & Please, I see both of you are too hard headed or just plain stupid to know what is a very basic moral & ethical issue. You can keep on believing in Progressive Socialism and be lemmings if you want, but it is wrong and Obama has proved it over and over for 7 years now. It is not subjective at all and wrong policies are wrong policies for this country and fools are fools.
Ron, who is the idiot here, you or me? I have told you many times that you didn’t know right from wrong. I am correct. Even your father in law told you and you blew him off. You are a legend in your own mind and your belief system is way off. Many on this blog including myself, Bob, Integrity Matters and several others have pointed it out to you without results.
Yeah, I have to agree with Ron here – Agent, you are completely missing the point.
Neither of us are saying Progressive Socialism and/or Conservatism is good or bad. That’s a conversation we can have later, so let’s put that aside for a second.
The bible talks about good and bad as left and right, sure, but how exactly do you interpret that section to say it’s referencing anything with the US’s two-party system?
That book was written over 1,000 years before Columbus “discovered” America – cam you explain why you think the bible was written to imply anything dealing with a Constitutional Republic?
If you could not insult me in your reply, that would be great.
Please, you said that neither of you are saying Progressive Socialism or Conservatism is good or bad. How about using your brain for a change and figure it out? Progressive Socialism is the disease and Conservatism is the cure. Perhaps you can give us all examples of how Progressive Socialism is a rousing success story for any country that has ever tried it.
I already said we can talk later about good/bad Socialism and Conservatism, and I nicely asked you to put that topic aside for a moment.
So Agent, can you please stop insulting me for just one second and help me understand what you were trying to say?
I am curious to know how you believe that Ecclesiastes 10:2 should be interpreted as “right = good = Conservatism” and “left = bad = Socialism” when the bible preceded any aspect of USA’s government.
I just would like to know why you think the bible is talking about Progressive Socialists and Conservatives when those terms – as we use them today – were not used the same way thousands of years ago.
If you could nicely explain that to me, without any insults, I would greatly appreciate it. And then we can move on and talk about what is good and bad about Progressive Socialism and Conservatism. Is that a reasonable and fair request?
You asked Agent, “Is that a reasonable and fair request?”.
His problem is not whether it is fair and reasonable, he cannot backup his “blunt” language with any kind of discernible explanation. Insults and irrelevant rants are all his has in his arsenal.
He will not even be able to answer my questions that require only a single word. Mostly because he knows it will reveal that he is wrong or a hypocrite.
I hope you’re wrong, but I guess we will see, Ron.
I didn’t think I deserved to get insulted once, let alone multiple times, when I was just asking for clarification of his earlier comment (All of those on the left need to read Ecclesiastes 10:2. It is a very true verse.)
While I don’t see how the bible can be interpreted to be specifically talking about our political system, I admittedly don’t have any background with scripture interpretation.
At this point Ron, I’d have to agree with you about Agent. I have asked him multiple times to elaborate on his earlier comment and I still haven’t gotten a direct answer.
“Socialism = Left. Left = bad. Left = fools. The Bible is a great teacher of moral/ethical issues and the wisdom spans thousands of years to present day America”
That is not a valid response to “Why do you think “right” in the bible means Conservatism and “left” means Socialism when those two terms didn’t exist when the book was written?”
He asked me if I was related to Rosenblatt, which confuses me. I’m sure Rosenblatt has nothing to do with the bible, so why bring that up? Does Rosenblatt ask Agent to clarify his comments? Does Rosenblatt keep trying to get Agent to give a answer when Agent ignores him and tries to bring up other topics?
If so, so be it – there are worse things than being compared to someone who tries to understand someone else’s comment.
EVERYBODY requests Agent to clarify his comments.He is the only one who understands what he is trying to say.
This is his MO:
1. Make a ridiculous statement
2. Someone asks him to support and/or clarify his statement
3. Agent answers your question with an irrelevant rant or his own question(s), and throws in an insult along the way.
4. You answer Agent’s question(s) then restate your original, unanswered question, and maybe throw in an insult of your own. Your choice. Sometimes I do sometimes I don’t.
5. Agent says he will not answer your question because you are now “demanding” an answer or he believes he did answer your question with his irrelevant rant, complains that you insulted him and that he will not back down from your insults, then finish with another insult of his own.
Once you accept Agent as being perfect, accept everything he says as Gospel, and agree with him 100% of the time, you will get along with him just fine.
Yup, that about sums it up! Although you forgot: Agent makes up “facts” and will not acknowledge the actual facts which prove him wrong, Agent will label you something you are not and he’ll insult you for it regardless of the truth, and Agent hears what he wants and will make up lies about what you said even if you said the exact opposite. Also, I suggest you do not hold your breath if you’re expecting an apology from him either.
You are not the monitor Ron. To help clear up your cluttered mind, following is some food for thought. Your President that you voted for twice is a Saul Alinsky follower and Hillary wrote a college thesis on his works, the most famous being “Rules for Radicals”. Within that book, he wrote – How To Create A Social State.
1. Healthcare – Control Healthcare and you control the people.
2. Poverty – Increase the poverty level as high as possible. Poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything (entitlements) for them to live on.
3. Debt – Increase the debt to an unsustainable level… that way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.
4. Gun Control – Remove the ability for citizens to defend themselves from the government. That way you are able to create a Police State.
5. Welfare – Take control of every aspect of people’s lives (Food, Housing & Income
6. Education – Take control of what people read and what people listen to – take control of what children learn in school.
7. Religion – Remove the belief in God from schools and the government.
8. Class Warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent, and it will be easier to take (tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.
Ron & Please, do you have the message yet on what is going on in this country? Do you think Progressive Socialism is “good” for the country as presented by this President and his minions? Your answers should reveal much.
Fine Agent, I’ll answer your questions. Then maybe then we can get back to what I have been asking you.
Socialism is bad. Happy?
Now – I would like to know why you think the bible is talking about Progressive Socialists and Conservatives when those terms – as we use them today – were not used the same way thousands of years ago.
If you could nicely explain that to me, without any insults, I would greatly appreciate it.
Finally an admission that Socialism is bad. Socialism = Left. Left = bad. Left = fools. The Bible is a great teacher of moral/ethical issues and the wisdom spans thousands of years to present day America.
I agree with you that, “The Bible is a great teacher of moral/ethical issues and the wisdom spans thousands of years to present day America.” Where we disagree is that it is not the law of the land and was not designed to divide people based on political affiliation or ideology.
I don’t know if I’m related to him or her and I don’t know why you’re asking me. I honestly don’t care either.
Regardless, I have answered you very simply that I agree Socialism is bad, yet I still don’t have an explanation about your Ecclesiastes post.
I would still like to know why you think the bible is talking about Progressive Socialists and Conservatives when the passage only talked about right and left.
Do you read every “right” in the bible to be solely about Conservatives and every “left” in the bible to be solely about Progressives?
I just don’t understand how you’re making the leap of “when the bible says “right” it that means Conservatism and whenever it says “left” it’s about Progressives.
If you could nicely explain that to me, without any insults, I would greatly appreciate it.
Hi FFA, Isn’t it amazing that some on this blog can’t understand simple concepts of right vs wrong, moral/ethical issues? I guess it goes back to how they were raised, educated, no church background or guidance. Some are atheists and that is a big issue since they believe in almost nothing, think humans have no soul and dolphins are equal to humans. What a sad existence that must be.
You sure did warn me, Ron – I just prefer to make up my own beliefs about people via first hand experience.
August 20, 2015 at 10:11 am
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Please, I am consistently on the “right” side of issues and Ron is consistently on the “left” wrong side of issues. I wish you well on your quest for knowledge and perhaps a light bulb will go off over your head one day.
You will learn quickly that agent is a big tool and so is Boob, AKA Bob. They are the worst two on this site and think what they say is right and everyone else is wrong and if you disagree, oh boy, they insult and throw temper tantrums. Agent thinks cause his name is part of the agency, along with others, it’s not just his agency solely, that he has this superiority over all others on this blog…what his simple mind fails to realize is that there ARE indeed others on this site that are in same if not better positions than him that can be courteous and professional. He and Boob need to start their own little blog, hopefully that no one else would be subjected to as they are extremely off base and have really nothing of any importance or well being to others to contribute in society. THEY ARE THE BIGGEST TOOLS ON EARTH! I actually am always very entertained by them…unfortunately why I can’t stop myself from reading this stuff.
ALSO, being related to Rosenblatt would be a compliment, he is very polite and smart :)
Been loving Confused too lately!!
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Thanks for the compliment, Agent is a TOOL!
August 20, 2015 at 1:58 pm
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So listen to whats going on in IL now….
The Dems passed a bill to exclude the Gov from budget negotiations. Rauner Vetoed it. The Dems voted to over ride the Veto.
Rauner wants Comp Reform and Property Tax Freeze. The Dems want to spend $4Bill more then what the State has to spend.
Hi FFA. It looks as if Illinois wants to be our version of a third world country. They are prime examples of Progressive Socialism, Keynsian Spending, High Taxation and overbearing regulation. With all the business you listed moving out, who will be left to pay all those high taxes? What is 100% of nothing?
FFA, with what is going on around this country, we have several states doing the Illinois way of thinking. They have adopted the Federal Government way of thinking and it is all about what they can get from the taxpayers with higher taxation, ever more entitlements. After a while, no one will be left to tax and then where will they be?
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I cant speak to the latinos because I don’t speak the language. We are not allowed to help the medicaide folks.
FFA, Planet would rather couch it in terms to make us “racists”. By the way, I have plenty of Latino’s on the books for personal lines. They don’t ask me about Health Insurance and I don’t bring it up. In fact, I don’t bring it up with any customer. I am P&C all the way now and I like it that way. Obamacare is a disaster of biblical proportions and has done nothing but divide this country, hurt the economy and I don’t want the E&O exposure. I know you tried to make it work and gave it a shot and was bitterly disappointed with the result.
Disappointed that I bit on one of many lies – Full New Business Commission at 15% to find out Obamas “full Commission” is only 5%.
Yes, every agent was lied to regarding that aspect.
FFA, do you remember the push to appoint Navigators to assist applicants? They didn’t even run background checks on those people. They could have been identity thieves for all we know. There is no telling how many people got screwed up information, ended up with plans they have since found out doesn’t pay anything and had their identity compromised.
background checks don’t work for gun ownership according to you Agent – why would they work here?
FFA, I think had you heard all the Gruber revelations, you may have had reservations about trying to write Health Insurance under that system, don’t you think?
I bought into the lies. Hook line and sinker. Had I know the truth, I would have stayed away.
“background checks don’t work for gun ownership according to you Agent – why would they work here?”
False equivalency, and trying to prove another person a hypocrite in one post. You’re working overtime today Confused.
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If your referring to me, I appear to be the only agent in this mix putting business on. Until you have the experience with this that I do, you have no room to speak. I go through the training not once (personal license), but twice (Corp License) every year as do my employees.
Would you rather have some random person on a 800 number to talk to or an office to walk into and see the person you are giving your personal info to face to face?
You go ahead and call some random person. The horror stories from them folks keep piling up and up and up.
Until you are experienced with this, your comments / opinions are not worth the time to type it out. So go ahead and blast on the only person with actual working experience on a regular basis. I could use a good laugh.
Confused, your leftist mind is working overtime insulting me. Background checks do work for legitimate gun owners who follow the law. The thugs buying guns out of a car trunk don’t bother with anything. The background checks are useful to see criminal records, offenses that would disqualify them to be Navigators. We will never know since no background checks are done on these individuals.
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The inference was very clear Planettroll. You expect me to feel guilty about not signing on to Obamacare and trying like FFA did to make it work, spending all those hours trying to help someone for a paltry 5% commission and have all the problems, issues, with customers? I sleep very well indeed for not getting involved with the worst legislation ever passed and signed into law.
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I think there’s also some verse in there about sheep to the right and goats to the left.
Ecclesiates is great part…turn..turn…turn
Hi FFA. I am going to enjoy watching the PGA Championship from Sheboygan, Wi this week. That is one rugged golf course at Whistling Straits right on the shores of Lake Michigan. One of those 1%’ers that Ron loves to hate owns the course, Herb Kohler of plumbing fixtures fame who is worth about $4Billion. I would like to take some of the Progressive idiots and flush them down Herb Kohler’s toilets.
its such a neat little town up there. Hard to believe they are drawing an event on that scale.
Actually FFA, Whistling Straits is quite a great course and he also owns another at Black Wolf Run near by. They have had 3 PGA’s at Whistling Straits in 04,10 and now this year. They have an overage of bunkers on it to suit me and admitted they think about 1,000 of every shape and size. I would hate to think how high the scores would be if the wind is up coming off Lake Michigan.
Agent,
I hate no one. Not even you or bob. At the end of the day, we are all brothers and sisters regardless of race, religion, social or economic standing, political affiliation/ideology or any other characteristic.
HMM, Ron. Did you suddenly have an “Epiphany” or is this post a brief pause before you start a new attack? Forgive me if I am skeptical. I am still amazed at how you voted for Obama twice since he is the biggest race baiter, divider by economic class and also by gender. How can you have your current attitude and still think he was the answer? It all comes down to knowing right from wrong, simple as that.
Agent,
No epiphany. This is who I am. I am a Christian who believes hate is a waste of emotion. I have never intended to attack you, I was just defending myself from your attacks. You are the one who started with the character attacks calling me a Progressive, Socialist, Liberal Democrat, when I have clearly stated that I am an Independent who believes in lower taxes, smaller government, and reduced spending. I just want to have an honest debate where we can challenge each other and respond civilly and with substance.
I really do not know how many times I can say this, I have been disappointed with President Obama and never said he was the answer. My position has been and always will be that one person will never be the answer and the we give presidents too much credit and too much blame. They are not dictators or kings.
At the risk of giving you a heart attack, I am starting to like Ben Carson as a candidate, not just as a Republican. For me, he comes right after Scott Walker.
I am a little concerned about his flat tax plan though. It is wealth redistribution upwards because it increases taxes on the bottom 43%, including military personnel, senior citizens and the working lower and middle classes, in order to lowers taxes on the top. In addition, it would harm the economy by taking money out of the private sector and hand it over to the government.
He said the number, to remain revenue neutral, is between 10 and 15%. For my family, we would give the government at least $6,500 more which is $6,500 less than what I currently spend in the private sector. Multiply that by 5 million households and you have over $32 billion transferred from the private sector to the government.
However, I believe it is a moot point since I do not think it would ever get through Congress and implemented anyway.
For the last time:
The 43% pay nothing. His plan gets their skin in the game, it is not in order to lower taxes on the top.
Also, now you’re a Christian, eh? Why don’t you call yourself a Catholic, if you are one as you previously claimed?
I once called you a Catholic apologetic, you were not true in faith.
As for not hating people, you can wrap your hate in bows, but you do hate.
That much is very clear. Your hate is why you are clouded in politics.
Wait, Ron said he’s a Christian and bob asked him “Why don’t you call yourself a Catholic?” What am I missing here?
Aren’t there over 30 different kinds of Christians? Can’t Ron be a non-Catholic Christian? Isn’t that entirely possible?
Welcome back bob,
All Catholics are Christians. You do know that, right? I identify myself as a Christian first, with Catholic beliefs. I believe you be hard pressed to find anyone 100% true in their faith.
I know what he wants to do, and I do not necessarily disagree that more people should be paying federal income taxes, including myself. I am only pointing out the potential consequences to the economy when 43% of the country takes over $32 billion out of the private sector and hands it over to the government. Don’t you see the potentially adverse impact this could have on the economy? Who would you rather had that money, the private sector or the government. Those are the only 2 choices.
Who are you to tell someone whether they hate or not? I may disagree with you and dislike your approach to debating, but I honestly hold no ill will or hatred toward you. I would much prefer that we could debate civilly and without insults.
I am well aware of the back story of Christians Ron.
And I am well aware of why young people don’t call themselves Catholic. I call it Catholic apologetic for a reason, and you are educated enough as a Catholic (if you’re a real one) to know why I called it that. Or are you really not enough of a Catholic to know? I really doubt it. Any Catholic knows enough to know why I just said what I said.
“I am only pointing out the potential consequences to the economy when 43% of the country takes over $32 billion out of the private sector and hands it over to the government”
If you were only pointing that out, you would have only pointed that out. You instead talked about redistribution again, which this is not redistribution.
I directed what I needed to direct. I am also not ok with a Flat Tax and some reasons match yours. Calling it redistribution is completely not accurate though.
“I am a little concerned about his flat tax plan though. It is wealth redistribution upwards because it increases taxes on the bottom 43%, including military personnel, senior citizens and the working lower and middle classes, in order to lowers taxes on the top”
So then this whole phrase is what I directed. You twisted it to mean that. Making sure the lower class pays some sort of tax is not wealth redistribution.
And making them pay taxes does is not to make the wealthy pay less.
You’re being dishonest, and you’re pulling at emotional strings at the same time.
Considering liberals do this a lot, and you hate republican tactics more than liberals, I imagine it is due to what you perceive as being acceptable as to why you’re doing it.
Well your perception is wrong. The way you argued there is unethical. And when you get a republican wanting to essentially insult you after doing it, that would be your fault.
Instead, you generally see people as agent who are angry as trolls, rather than what you did to piss them off.
bob,
Let’s agree to disagree what constitutes a redistribution of wealth and leave it at that. Neither of us will ever change the other’s point of view on that matter. I know your position and respect why you see it that way. In addition, my post was not directed toward you.
You said, ” Making sure the lower class pays some sort of tax is not wealth redistribution.” I agree with you. And if Mr. Carson’s proposal was only to accomplish that, I would not say it is a redistribution of wealth. However, his plan does reduce taxes on the wealthy, by a healthy margin. He even said his goal is to be revenue neutral. That means if someone is paying less, someone else has to pay more. Correct?
Agent has created his own messes and you know it. I am only there to point them out.
You being a Catholic know exactly what Agent would be in the Catholic Church and what your role is in talking to him.
These are not solely his messes. You choose to talk to him the way you do.
I’m sorry but you’re not getting off the hook on it.
Agent would be the equivalent of a strict Catholic, forth coming, outspoken. A no BS attitude.
What does the Church tell us to do with such people?
Question their character?
Call them a hypocrite?
I think not. Agent is fully complete on his own, and it’s clear you don’t think of him as such. You think of him as nearly handicapped.
Moving forward on wealth redistribution: So ignore the entire debate by saying let’s agree to disagree when you’re wrong. I see.
Well I can’t argue with that so I won’t.
bob,
Please do not comment on my history debating Agent. It is not your place.
Unless your are God, you are no position to judge anyone.
I did not question Agent’s character. He is a hypocrite and has been proven to be by several people on this blog. Do you disagree that he is hypocritical sometimes?
You said, “Agent is fully complete on his own, and it’s clear you don’t think of him as such. You think of him as nearly handicapped.” What do you even mean by this statement?
I tried to end our debate on what constitutes wealth redistribution civilly, and you chose to insult me. Nice. I even explained that I understand your position. This is the problem with you and Agent. I try to have civil discussion and you feel the need to insult me instead. Is that what Jesus would do? How Christian of you both.
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You have lost your mind UW. I spend hours on end trying to resolve issues with the piece of crap web site in addition to fixing the pin head navigators messes.
FFA, I think UW should be committed before he hurts himself or others. A padded cell would be very appropriate.
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If you can’t “Take it”, get out of the kitchen. Are you kin to UW? UW insulted agents like FFA & I who are, according to him worthless and only drive up prices. Do you not recognize insults from the left? I give it back in spades. No one can do that without a reply. Get off the blog.
stop insulting people. it’s getting old.
Grow up.
Everyone here says some sort of insult.
For example, you just told him to shut up.
Ooooo.
Oh no! Why don’t we all just talk however the hell we want?
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Confused,
Ignorance. Pure ignorance. I won’t even direct it confused.
Confused,
I know you’re delusional and all, but I’m a little tired of arguing with someone of your intellect and general antagonizing level.
When I have told people their argument is not productive, for example, you consider it the same as someone coming in telling Agent, solely, to stop insulting people?
It isn’t. I tell people to stay on topic. That is essentially all.
In other words:
If I’m having all insults and no facts, I will tell someone: “Address the issue”.
That is telling them to stay on topic, it is not telling them necessarily how to talk.
When I have told agent not to say things a certain way as it doesn’t help his case, it’s the same thing.
It won’t help his case.
How should I word it confused? How do you propose it?
Use some examples of when I have done what you state. Then you’ll see I always say, this isn’t relevant to the conversation at hand.
And I’m the ONLY person here who says it at both sides.
So while your attempt to lump me as some conservative hypocrite is comical, it is also annoying kid.
bob – first you state you won’t direct my comment, then you make 2 posts about my comment. #hypocrite
you want examples of when you’ve told people how to talk? easy. just looking at the most recent article with the most comments, let’s see what I can find for you
http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2015/08/05/377569.htm/?comments
Here you are specifically telling someone what they can post: “The only words for you here are : I AM WRONG and I AM SORRY”
Here you are telling someone they’re stupid and have no right to get upset (you’re telling someone how to act here) “You need to just understand how the world works more and not get so riled up about it.”
Here you are insulting someone and telling them to post ‘on topic’ when it was Agent who was making all the off-topic comments: “That is not honest debate. Stay on topic. His silence is due to being done with your stupidity.”
and that’s just in one article
See my other comments.
I decided to direct your post, it doesn’t make me a hypocrite. I don’t want to direct your posts. It takes too much time for what shouldn’t be an issue, of some kid trying to incite a fight in order to discredit another human being. And lets not kid ourselves, that is your goal here. To discredit my character to gloss over all my arguments.
What I told people there is not at all similar to what was said above.
When it comes to how to treat me, when I demand someone say they are sorry, that is not dominating them as you imply. How dare I tell them what they can say. Or…How dare they say the crap. I don’t ask to be treated well. I demand it. Telling someone they have to say sorry is not what you just tried to make it out to be. Dishonest moron.
Moving to the other example:
I told her “You need to just understand how the world works more and not get so riled up about it.””
Is not telling her how to talk, I’m sorry, it’s not. It is telling someone not to get riled up.
I have never said “Celtica, don’t speak.”.
You know what confused, let’s just @#%@%ing play.
I’m sick of you. Let’s hash this out right now, you, and me.
Get out all your venting and bull crap about my hypocrisy. It clearly bothers you. Lay it all out on the table.
And I will show you how you’re wrong, and basically are saying what every 20 year old says.
This is so old I can barely stand it, but why not.
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Take it somewhere else:
Wow. You really put agent in place there! Can you hear the sarcasm?
What exactly is your point?
Are you trying to say that because my goal was to put you in your place I’m such a scum bag? You would be calling yourself a scum bag by that measure.
Or are you saying your a little rebel who can’t be put in place?
That shows some degree of being a childish person. Does it not?
You think you’re a lot smarter than you are confused. You just did a huge post to prove me an unrestrained person and thought you threw my line back at me well. You didn’t.
Yes. I can choose not to reply. And I can choose to have you make me look like a fool and dis credit me, but, I decided you needed to lose your charm here. It wasn’t about being unable to control myself. I often don’t reply on posts at all. Regardless of that, saying I can’t restrain myself but to respond to a guy being a jerk…Is bullying behavior.
Yes. We will all say what we want. That doesn’t point out my hypocrisy. I finally told you just get it all out there. Go ahead. My saying I don’t want to deal with it doesn’t mean I’m saying not to speak. I am saying I’m sick of it, that doesn’t make me a hypocrite. In fact I told you just to spew it out like the nonsense it is and I will direct it.
So how did I just become a hypocrite by telling you to talk?
Confused,
Was it because I said I won’t enjoy directing your crap?
Thank you sir may I have another? Is that what I should say?
take it somewhere else:
I should note I was talking in a few perspectives. It was not my goal to put you in your place.
It was to tell everyone here, who treats agent like crap, that it isn’t ok to treat him like crap.
I disagree with him often. He’s blunt and in your face.
But I see those here who try to do this stuff confused is now, he’s finding an in to label me the ultimate troll, the ultimate hypocrite, why exactly?
Look at the motivation factor. It is because he wants to give reason to attack and disregard a human being.
I disagree often. I throw in insults when I shouldn’t. I admit, and I move on.
This confused guy, and you, are just saying to stop saying insults, to basically discredit the person you’re saying it to and make people think less of them.
When I disregard an insult, or say to stop insulting, or even when I insult, it is to disregard their ignorant argument, not the person. I don’t have time for such debates here.
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Changing one’s mind does not make them a hypocrite.
Look at the definition.
Moving on:
Generally speaking, someone who bullies speaks like you. In control, that is your goal. Someone who says all caps, SCREW YOU! Isn’t the bully. Those people are always left to the curb. I’ve been bullied so I know how dominance works and how I broke it.
““So how did I just become a hypocrite by telling you to talk?”
you didn’t. i called you a hypocrite for saying “I won’t even direct it” then two minutes later posting twice directing it. you can back track all you like and make excuses for why you did it after you were called out on it, but you can’t hide the truth – you said you weren’t going to do something then you immediately went and did it anyway. that is hypocritical no matter how you try to justify it”
You said you would CONTINUE to point out I was a hypocrite. Your example cited above is not an example of being a hypocrite and was not what you were referring to.
It’s getting old Confused. What else do you have to say?
Regarding your paraphrasing of my quotes, which I what I think you were doing there:
No. That isn’t bullying. When someone lies about their words and I point it out, I don’t say all caps @%#@#% you I know what you say, first of all, but second of all, it wouldn’t be bullying even if I did that.
I am calm first, pissed when someone says a sly one liner in order to try and make me look like a fool. When someone comes in trying to make someone look like a fool in public, remind me what they are?
Usually when you see someone bullying you see one kid saying “SCREW YOU LEAVE ME ALONE”. And you see another guy saying “Hahaha, he’s saying I won’t leave him alone, he’s a hypocrite, I’m not doing anything! Look how pathetic he is”
The way you deal with a bully isn’t showing they are pathetic. It’s showing them that they are worth every bit as much as you. That’s right. Leaving on a positive tone.
Now yes, I get mad, but I give every opportunity for someone to stop. When you constantly degrade my image I then say “screw you”. Then I give another chance to be respectful. And if they don’t take it I do another swing. It’s a defensive type of thing. I show I won’t let someone dominate me, but I will submit provided the person stops.
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Confused,
Another example of your ignorance. I don’t put words into their mouths. If you read the rest of that, I told him I hold people accountable for things they said when they try to back out of it later due to their words not being popular.
When someone clearly said something, I hold them accountable.
I do not, randomly say : Agent says this.
Look at your example. Out of nowhere a guy said what I was saying on something I never even directed.
While you are too stupid to see the difference, it does exist as a difference and is not hypocrisy. Moving on connecting that to now: I was not telling you what you meant. I was stating what you said. You definitely said you would continue showing my hypocrisy. You were not quoting my hypocrisy regarding the issue you said you were. It is easy to see you are saying that in hind site. I’m holding you accountable because you’re bluntly lying. That isn’t putting words in your mouth, if it is accurate that you’re bluntly lying. It wouldn’t make me a hypocrite.
I can’t believe how much you’re trying to pull for me putting words in your mouth and me being a hypocrite. I know the motivation behind it, and it is bullying behavior.
Do you have any other frustrations? That involve me being the worst scum hypocrite in the world? Or are you done?
Confused,
I’m quite serious. Are you done with the character attacks? You’re reaching for straws going back in posts, trying to make me into something I’m not.
Side comment: That is speaking for me and what I was saying.
Soooooo….Considering the argument at hand…Should I say #Hypocrite?
I already think I know your response to my saying this too. So I’ll just wait and see if you are the type of person I think you are.
Which I’m 90% sure you are, but you might surprise me.
Now I’m not saying that makes you a horrible person. But it would explain why you’re arguing with me.
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Rosenblatt,
Screw you.
I am not being dishonest. I have described what I do.
What has happened is you have bluntly tip toed around a topic and I have held you accountable for your words.
What is dishonest is what you just did right there.
” i find it speaks volumes about your character that you have gotten so defensive right now that you are now telling me what my intentions are and that you think i’m trying to call you scum or something like that. if i wanted to say you were scum, i would just come out and say so in no uncertain terms”
A blunt lie. You have felt compelled to post to this degree, so it is obviously of extreme character importance.
The only reason you just said the above, is to save what little image you have left, after holding on this hardcore to whether or not I was a hypocrite because I changed my mind about whether or not to talk to you.
That stuck pretty hardcore, no matter which way you try to “justify it”.
Are we done with this absurd conversation where you try to position yourself as some sort of above me aspect?
Because I know I am. Your next reply should be, good day and good bye.
Rosenblatt,
In fact, hell no. We are not having peace or any conversations until you admit what you just did right there.
We both know what it was, so say in your own words what you just did and why it was wrong.
So here is what you just tried to do Rosenblatt,
You saw a circumstance where you could twist scenario, to make me into a liar. You haven’t been able to do it yet, but it would give you immeasurable power in future debates to say “yeah well you lie” to reference the post.
This is a common tactic, and I know it is yours. Don’t lie and say it isn’t. You saw opportunity to knock your opponent out.
And Rosenblatt:
I have watched you do this with Agent. So I know you do it.
You’re pretty good at it, when it comes to the no BS type of personality.
The issue here is: The no BS mentality is the main mentality which stops BS.
Bob said: “Another example of your ignorance. I don’t put words into their mouths. If you read the rest of that, I told him I hold people accountable for things they said when they try to back out of it later due to their words not being popular.”
Bob, you and I have gone back and forth on this a number of times. You do put words in people’s mouths, and you do tell them what they really mean by their comments. And when people disagree, you tell them that they just don’t realize what their own thoughts and motives are.
“This is a scenario where you want them to shut up you just don’t realize it.”
Those are your words Bob. Your words telling me that I didn’t know what I was really thinking.
You rail about people ‘labeling’ this, that or the other thing, but you are the worst offender of anyone on here. You have slapped a label on every person that comments here, and read each comment through the filter of that label. And those filters make you twist even the most innocuous comments into something you can attack over.
For example, Agent and I said the same thing about how the Republicans could repeal the ACA – win the White House. And while you agreed with him, you continued to blast me in numerous comments for saying something you claimed to agree with! That’s not ‘holding me accountable,’ that’s attacking just for the sake of attacking.
If someone says “I don’t like cheese,” you don’t automatically assume that they hate everything about the state of Wisconsin because it’s residents are called ‘cheese heads.’ You just assume that they mean that they don’t like cheese. Same thing goes for discussions here. Stop debating people based on what you think they might mean, and start debating them based on what they actually say. It will cut way down on these sorts of arguments.
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Hey Ron, what a joke. I have created messes????? Your belief in Progressive Socialism and the Progressive Tax Code and the wild Keynsian spending machine of the Federal Government is where the messes have been made. You don’t have any skin in the game so you are totally unqualified to comment on taxation. The thing that worries you is that a flat tax may require you to pay “some” tax. If a flat tax will result in cutting loop holes out, it will generate more income and a commensurate cut in excessive spending will allow a balanced budget to be done (post Obama). We have almost $19 Trillion in debt as a country and are spending borrowed dollars. What if China cuts us off due to their own economic problems which is being manifested as we speak? Who is going to fund the government then? Is your answer to print more money like the Weimar Republic prior to WW2? That didn’t work out so well, did it?
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You know what fellas, all this nonsense and word parsing and accusations and tantrum throwing is getting very old with me. I include Bob, Confused, Rosenblatt in the group. Making a mountain out of every mole hill is a very unattractive quality. It also reveals the deep division we have in this country. Progressives on one side, Conservatives on the other. I believe the root cause is that Progressives really don’t want to admit that their agenda is unraveling before their eyes. Obama was a huge mistake and everything he has done has divided the country by race, gender and economic class. It has not been a good 7 years and people are at each others throat constantly. I hereby request that you stop it. I am not going to stop giving the Conservative viewpoints and you should respect my opinions and you should offer valid arguments for your point of view without the usual attacks.
What?
I’m having a very hard time following you Agent.
I’m not going to stop giving conservative viewpoints either.
Confused has very well chosen the mountain over a mole hill as I have given him ample opportunity to knock it off.
Bob, Progressive Leftists do not know right from wrong so that is why they don’t understand us. They lose every argument because they can’t explain why their way is better. The ones on this blog are just attack dogs, character assassins and have been thoroughly brainwashed. I speak more bluntly than you do. Don’t expect to get anywhere with any of them.
Agent,
You said, “Progressive Leftists do not know right from wrong so that is why they don’t understand us.” Thank you for finally acknowledging that I am NOT a Progressive Leftist. First, I do know right from wrong. If I didn’t, I would have at least served some jail time. In addition, I do vote mostly for Republicans. Second, I completely understand you. I just do not always agree with you.
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Ron, your voting record gives you away. You have voted for Obama twice, have defended him many, many times on a number of issues. The worst you ever say about him is that he has “disappointed” you some. Hello! You and Planet are operating in a different universe. You claiming you are a moderate is the biggest joke on this blog and Bob has dismantled you every time.
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Allow me to be blunt! All of those on the left need to read Ecclesiastes 10:2. It is a very true verse.
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You prove my point Ron. Progressive Socialists do not know right from wrong. The heart leaning to the left is a “fool”. The wise heart leans to the right. This is basic morals/ethics 101. It has held true for thousands of years and it will continue to be true.
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Bob, actually I am an unapologetic Protestant. Many do not like my blunt talk and I don’t parse words or make a mountain out of every mole hill like many of the leftists on this blog do.
We need more plain talk about how much trouble this country is in due to the terrible policies put in by Progressives, mostly Democrats in the past 20 years. The past 7 years has been a major train wreck and the wreckage is strewn from shore to shore. Bad leadership begets bad policies and we have an abundance of bad leadership which is downright awful. I look forward to a new day dawning starting in January, 2017.
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I love how you are unapologetic about your hero Obama who has spent more than all the other Presidents in history combined with not much to show for it except increasing the debt to $19 Trillion. Lowest labor participation rate since 1978, 46 million on food stamps, record applications for disability, companies moving offshore because of excessive taxation, EPA killing jobs with overbearing regulation, entitlements galore, no immigration policy and inviting illegals to come in and draw entitlements. What a track record!
Agent,
I apologize for everything President Obama has done that harmed the country.
Are we good now?
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Forgive me Ron, but your apology is not honest. You have spent nearly 7 years touting Obama, defending his leftist agenda, wild Keynsian spending, moronic policies and I don’t think you have changed a bit. For someone who has, as you put it very little power, he has sure made a monumental mess of things, defied laws on the books, failed to enforce laws he didn’t like, tried to rule with the pen, threatened veto’s with anything Congress wanted to pass that was not in his agenda. The US is the laughing stock of the world now with how stupidly this man has governed.
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The ACA is just another byproduct of the policies of this current government that has united this country… i.e. it has united those on the left against those united on the right.
Isn’t it ironic that the term ‘navigators’ was chosen… for a derelict ship, the U.S.S. ACA ?
Yogi, derelict is much too kind of a description for this disaster. Hollywood could not make up a script this bad to make a movie about it. I think you might agree that the triumvirate of Pelosi, Reid & Obama foisted a criminal conspiracy on this country aided by their wonder boy Jonathon Gruber.
Hey Please, if I have to explain the difference between right and wrong to you, your parents didn’t do a good job bringing you up. Progressive Liberal Democrats are “Leftists” and therefore wrong, get it? Conservatives, whether they are Republicans or Conservative Independents are “Right” and wise, get it?
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There is a good term for people like you. It is called an
ASK-HOLE. That is for people that keep asking goofy questions and don’t understand the answer and don’t believe it.
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Ron & Please, I see both of you are too hard headed or just plain stupid to know what is a very basic moral & ethical issue. You can keep on believing in Progressive Socialism and be lemmings if you want, but it is wrong and Obama has proved it over and over for 7 years now. It is not subjective at all and wrong policies are wrong policies for this country and fools are fools.
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Ron, who is the idiot here, you or me? I have told you many times that you didn’t know right from wrong. I am correct. Even your father in law told you and you blew him off. You are a legend in your own mind and your belief system is way off. Many on this blog including myself, Bob, Integrity Matters and several others have pointed it out to you without results.
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Please, you said that neither of you are saying Progressive Socialism or Conservatism is good or bad. How about using your brain for a change and figure it out? Progressive Socialism is the disease and Conservatism is the cure. Perhaps you can give us all examples of how Progressive Socialism is a rousing success story for any country that has ever tried it.
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You are not the monitor Ron. To help clear up your cluttered mind, following is some food for thought. Your President that you voted for twice is a Saul Alinsky follower and Hillary wrote a college thesis on his works, the most famous being “Rules for Radicals”. Within that book, he wrote – How To Create A Social State.
1. Healthcare – Control Healthcare and you control the people.
2. Poverty – Increase the poverty level as high as possible. Poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything (entitlements) for them to live on.
3. Debt – Increase the debt to an unsustainable level… that way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.
4. Gun Control – Remove the ability for citizens to defend themselves from the government. That way you are able to create a Police State.
5. Welfare – Take control of every aspect of people’s lives (Food, Housing & Income
6. Education – Take control of what people read and what people listen to – take control of what children learn in school.
7. Religion – Remove the belief in God from schools and the government.
8. Class Warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent, and it will be easier to take (tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.
Ron & Please, do you have the message yet on what is going on in this country? Do you think Progressive Socialism is “good” for the country as presented by this President and his minions? Your answers should reveal much.
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Please, are you related to Rosenblatt?
Finally an admission that Socialism is bad. Socialism = Left. Left = bad. Left = fools. The Bible is a great teacher of moral/ethical issues and the wisdom spans thousands of years to present day America.
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Man o Man…. Don’t people have business to tend to? I’ve had my ten minutes today. See you tomorrow.
Hi FFA, Isn’t it amazing that some on this blog can’t understand simple concepts of right vs wrong, moral/ethical issues? I guess it goes back to how they were raised, educated, no church background or guidance. Some are atheists and that is a big issue since they believe in almost nothing, think humans have no soul and dolphins are equal to humans. What a sad existence that must be.
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Please, I am consistently on the “right” side of issues and Ron is consistently on the “left” wrong side of issues. I wish you well on your quest for knowledge and perhaps a light bulb will go off over your head one day.
Agent,
Jesus was left on the issues. Was He wrong?
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Thanks for the compliment, Agent is a TOOL!
So listen to whats going on in IL now….
The Dems passed a bill to exclude the Gov from budget negotiations. Rauner Vetoed it. The Dems voted to over ride the Veto.
Rauner wants Comp Reform and Property Tax Freeze. The Dems want to spend $4Bill more then what the State has to spend.
Hi FFA. It looks as if Illinois wants to be our version of a third world country. They are prime examples of Progressive Socialism, Keynsian Spending, High Taxation and overbearing regulation. With all the business you listed moving out, who will be left to pay all those high taxes? What is 100% of nothing?
Its the Il way of Thinking.
FFA, with what is going on around this country, we have several states doing the Illinois way of thinking. They have adopted the Federal Government way of thinking and it is all about what they can get from the taxpayers with higher taxation, ever more entitlements. After a while, no one will be left to tax and then where will they be?