Franchises Ask Supreme Court to Hear Seattle Minimum Wage

January 27, 2016

  • January 27, 2016 at 1:54 pm
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    McDonald’s and other companies will be rolling these out soon.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/what-self-serve-kiosks-at-mcdonalds-mean-for-cashiers-2015-8

    • January 27, 2016 at 1:57 pm
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      It’s hard to blame McDonalds for replacing cashiers.

    • January 27, 2016 at 2:20 pm
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      McDonald’s has been losing market share on fast food for a while now. They are getting a bit desperate by now offering breakfast all day long. Fast Food should not be a career choice for people and should be a starter job. Paying burger flippers $15 per hour will only make the burgers cost a lot more. Who wants to pay $10 for a Big Mac or a Whopper?

      • January 29, 2016 at 8:18 am
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        Better question, who wants to eat a Big Mac or a Whopper, let alone pay for it? That stuff will kill ya.

      • January 29, 2016 at 9:44 am
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        Fast food should not be a career choice? Why not? I’m sure the CEO’s of McDonalds, Chipolte, Taco Bell and others would be happy you are steering people away from their average salary of $26.7 million dollars a year.

        http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2014-04-22/fast-food-ceos-make-1-000-times-the-average-fast-food-worker

        • February 1, 2016 at 4:56 pm
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      • January 29, 2016 at 8:43 pm
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        They are losing market share due to places like Chipotle, which you have ripped on here numerous times, because Millenials prefer a healthier alternative and go there. They were losing market share before the $15 minimum wage was enacted in Seattle, but as a master of all things economic and data-driven, I am sure I don’t have to tell you about the numerous recent studies showing increases in the minimum wage do not decrease employment, or harm companies. There have finally been “natural experiments” that have helped to do away with the BS Dittoheads like yourself regurgitate from earlier flawed, or fraudulent studies.

        • February 2, 2016 at 12:55 pm
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          As a data driven person, I’m sure instead of throwing around words about being data driven you will one day provide the citations to these facts.

          Citation needed.

          There are plenty of studies that do show increases in minimum wage harming business.

          I’m not using this opinion piece to show that, as it isn’t a study, but this opinion piece goes over that Hoover pushed higher wages as well:

          http://www.nationalreview.com/article/377435/minimum-wage-makes-depressions-worse-amity-shlaes

          But I’m sure you thought he let businesses do whatever and de regulation or something.

          • February 2, 2016 at 4:18 pm
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            Bob, San Francisco raised their wage over 25% ten years ago and incrementally since then and there hasn’t been a negative effect on jobs according to studies at the UC, Berkeley. San Jose had a similar outcome. The business had lower turnover which saves money and leads to a better trained workforce. The Institute for Research on Labor and Employment found an increase to $13 has no effect on employment, that was years ago and would bee higher now. The Univ of New Mexico has found the same thing. Also there is an interesting study of bordering cities where only one increased the wage and there was a positive effect in the city with the new higher wage.

            I am sure you don’t know her history so you kind of get a break, but you link to a person with an English degree who poses as an economist and had written some of the most comically uninformed articles on economics in recent memory. She cites John Williams in her moronic, constantly wrong articles about inflation and hyperinflation. She is clueless at best and in reality nothing but a propagandist for this type of junk economics.

          • February 2, 2016 at 4:22 pm
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            Also I’m well aware of Hoover’s disastrous record, especially in monetary economics, you don’t need to expand your fantasy universe with incorrect assessments about what you think I think, dolt.

          • February 2, 2016 at 5:13 pm
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            Listen …., remove dolt from your comments. Or I’ll respond in kind. I have given you passes, but take note to how I react to Ron and consider why. He has a history with me, so I’m not lenient. You don’t, so I have given you chances.

            Moving on:

            For every study you claim showing it doesn’t, I can show ones that do.

            My point in using Hoover was that republicans have been ok with minimum wage increases. It is an issue in which there is disagreement. However you mentioned that Agent must be paying his agents minimum wage, inferring that you believe that republicans are behind on the issue.

            Republicans tend to tie minimum wage to the profits of the company if they go with passing it, which is the best way to ensure there is no bad affect whatsoever.

            Have you ever seen a P&L sheet? I have. It comes with the field I quote. I have quoted over probably 5,000 businesses in my career.

            I know the margins. If a standard business raised the wages by 25% they would not be able to afford it, and many cannot offset the costs by raising prices. It would amount to $46,250 at an absolute minimum for small business with 10 employees. Have you seen a P&L sheet for firms that size?

            You are talking about bigger firms which may not have an affect. You cannot pretend there will be no affect on small business by raising minimum wage. It is ignorant to say that raising wages won’t reduce business revenues.

            As for people staying with firms if the minimum wage is increased: I sincerely doubt this. Citation needed, dolt.

            You said I don’t know “her” history. Do you mean my history?

            I am well aware of history, Jack ass. As has been shown in my comments. You would do well to treat me as someone knowledgeable when I give source quotes of about 10 links in the most recent post I commented on. You disagree. That is what it is. Stop being an arrogant piece of ….

          • February 2, 2016 at 5:15 pm
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            Also UW:

            The cost in minimum wage is generally felt most in start up businesses, small ones as I mentioned, less than 10 employees.

            It tends to do away with lot profit margin jobs, or jobs that are niche and don’t need an extensive labor force.

            Etc.

            It does have an affect in this area. It is not an opinion, it is a fact. It is common sense.

          • February 2, 2016 at 5:19 pm
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            Also, ignorant jack ass,

            I specifically said the point of my link was not to go over minimum wage affects, and you STILL went after the source.

            It was solely to confirm Hoover was for raising the minimum wage.

            Do you agree?

            Then shut …. up and keep on topic, jack ass.

            There was no reason to go after that source and you did so anyway didn’t you?

            By the way:

            https://www.cbo.gov/publication/44995

            Is the CBO a valid source, Jack ass?

            I told you before it is the democrats who usually side step the CBO, not republicans.

            So are you about to become one of those democrats and say the CBO doesn’t know what they are talking about for this link, but they do when it comes to the ACA and it’s affects?

            Beating down your arguments is easy because you don’t have any.

          • February 2, 2016 at 5:24 pm
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            Also:

            I already proved you incorrectly quoted the effective average corporate tax rate with another government study.

            Dem dere republicans don’t source quote or like government studies though right? Yeehaw!!!

            Round ’em up cowboy!

            Is that how us republicans think?

            You were already wrong here once. It is not far fetched to think you’re wrong again about minimum wage, especially considering you don’t source quote, and when you do, you don’t digest what your source says. In other words the methodology. You just take their conclusion and spread it around like your own poo.

            It’s like watching an ignorant 20 something year old commenting on sports as if he knows anything.

            You are not an active participant of the research you quote unless you go over the methodology yourself.

          • February 3, 2016 at 2:56 pm
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            “You would do well to treat me as someone knowledgeable…” Wow, Bob, you are quite the authority, aren’t you?! And one post isn’t sufficient – you just keep adding another then another, all while getting angrier and increasing in name-calling and dictating the behaviors others should exhibit. You have obviously over-valued your importance.

          • February 20, 2016 at 3:25 pm
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            Bob, you idiot, I will not remove dolt from my comments, because it is well deserved. Also, you cannot “be lenient” with me, because only a person in authority can be lenient, not a bitching ignoramus on the internet. Yes, I have seen how you reply to those other people–with nothing but insults and slurs–which is why I respond in kind to you.

            As for your idiotic claim about minimum wage harming jobs, this article summarizes all the minimum wage studies by economists in recent history and shows that simply isn’t true when raising it at this level. At worst there is no job loss, but that includes the studies showing job loss, which the author points out skew far away from the mean and are not nearly as rigorous–despite right-wingers like you pasting summary statistics and calling it being data-driven.

            http://cepr.net/documents/publications/min-wage-2013-02.pdf

            Yes I have seen payroll breakdowns, having worked with small/medium businesses before my current role, where I work with many of the top 50 in the Fortune 500, including many in the top 15-20, I can safely say I have seen some of the largest payroll breakdowns in the country if not the world–although that’s irrelevant, because there is actual economic data out there. But, what really got me was this statement showing your ignorance on economics in general, and this topic specifically:

            “I know the margins. If a standard business raised the wages by 25% they would not be able to afford it, and many cannot offset the costs by raising prices”

            Yes, it would be bad for many companies to raise their labor prices by 25%, but that isn’t being done here. They are only raising those making minimum wage. No companies would have an across the board increase of all wages of 25% because the minimum was increased. That simply is not how it works. But, if that would destroy their company, good riddance, they shouldn’t exist. Any company paying their employees that little is effectively being subsidized by the government by having them cover benefits for employees, whether it is health care, food stamps, welfare, etc. You also claim that most minimum wage jobs are in startups; this is outright bullshit.

            Just in this thread you insult me, call multiple people a jackass, accuse people of making multiple accounts, say somebody is a “worse person”, a jerk, and that is like 1/3 of the way down the page when I stopped looking.

            You won’t change your mind, or look at reality on tax rates, so explain why some of the biggest corporations pay no tax, with that high rate? That study you look at is okay, but that lady makes the same constant mistake. It doesn’t consider money they make and put in tax havens, like the companies crying for tax repatriation. There are other problems, but in these studies the best way to look at it is to consider profitable companies, which she doesn’t do, but which is arguable. Most economists who look at this consider that for many reasons.

            You do this in every thread where somebody challenges your insane statements. You are the typical conservative where you rant about the fake civility you pretend to care about so much, and throw insult after insult; kind of like the fake bullshit civility in the south, or similar to what the GOP does before blasting Mexicans, poors, olds, blacks, young people, etc. You are probable a good ole boy in reality, but I cannot go by that, and online you are a total clown.

  • January 27, 2016 at 3:52 pm
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    Contrary to the mayor’s quote, not all franchisees of the restaurant chains are “big businesses.” Many are individuals or families that have only a few restaurants. Why treat a family that is a McDonald’s franchisee with 3 restaurants differently from a family with 3 local sandwich shops?

    • January 27, 2016 at 4:33 pm
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      Because that’s the Democratic way. Remember, “You didn’t build that.”

      • January 29, 2016 at 9:58 am
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        Dave, do you ever watch Diners, Drive-Ins & Dives on the Food Network. Guy Fieri goes around all over the country visiting restaurants and they cook their specialties. These people are generally family run restaurants who had a dream to own their own business, cook great food and do it with pride and a smile on their face. They did build their business without Obama’s help.

        • January 29, 2016 at 10:07 am
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          • January 29, 2016 at 1:43 pm
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            Don’t hold your breath Confused. I’ve been waiting 26 years. Don’t matter who is in the White House D or R. I employ 4 people and no help for anything from the f’n Government. Not even any flexibility on paying the quarterly taxes. Not immoral for the IRS to hit us with a fine and 20% interest. But its immoral for a lender (credit card or otherwise) to charge that. But, what do you expect from a bunch of impulsive lying hypocrites. To sum it up, an IL politician.

          • January 29, 2016 at 2:36 pm
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          • January 29, 2016 at 3:59 pm
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            Ron I didn’t get that out of his post. Biggest picture, you have a point well taken.

            Confused, legit deductible expenses are not help from the govt in my opinion. Legit deductions are what keeps 4 people off the unemployment line. If I can get something out of a seminar that would increase that number, then its for the good of the country/local muni/city, not a govt hand out as your post read to me. Most of all, its good for families that people are working.

          • January 29, 2016 at 4:23 pm
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            On another note, when I broke free from the captive side, I sat down with a Loan Counselor from the SBA. I was told I would qualify for an SBA Start Up loan. Was handed a stack of papers with a pile of stuff I had to put together. One of the items was a Business Plan 3 years and 5 years. I spent hours and hours and hours putting this together paper work together. I had a college kid working for me at the time that put the Biz Plan in together. He used it for a Class Project and got an A+ on it. Took the SBA less then half an hour to decline my application after at least 10 hours of putting it together after I was told I was exactly what the program was looking for. I was also told if I were a minority, they would have cut the loan.

            Help from the Govt?

            I paid out over $15,000 in med bills last year. My wife has another situation going on which, worse case scenario will kill her in a year. She is refusing to go to the doc because she dont want to rack up med bills / debt again. The govt didnt help make med coverage more affordable even when they call the law the Affordable Care Act. Hopefully she gets her head out of her ass and gets the situation addressed quickly (its been over two months now) and its nothing more then a fibro mass. If its the C word, I’ll be a widower.

            Help from the Govt…. My ass…. This OBamas fault for making Medical Care so affordable.

          • January 29, 2016 at 4:25 pm
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          • January 29, 2016 at 4:27 pm
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            just refreshed and saw you posted again. i’m very sorry to hear about the medical issues your family is dealing with. for what it’s worth, i agree obamacare has been a colossal failure for way more than half of the country.

          • February 2, 2016 at 12:56 pm
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            Confused,

            It is not a government handout to keep more of the product/service you create.

            Those services are yours. The government takes a piece of it. Them taking less, is at no point a hand out.

            Jack ass.

          • February 2, 2016 at 1:22 pm
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            Maybe if you didn’t call me a jack ass we could’ve had an intelligent conversation about this topic, bob. Unfortunately, you just couldn’t resist insulting me, could you?

          • February 2, 2016 at 1:30 pm
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            Unfortunately you cannot resist that with Agent, can you?

            You insult him at every turn, and you are surprised when you parade around like a jack ass that people call you one?

            I called you a jack ass because it’s relevant. Only a jackass punk kid, calls letting a person keep what they create, a form of a hand out.

            So I’ll repeat myself:

            If you believe that, you are a jack ass.

          • February 2, 2016 at 1:33 pm
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            Also,

            I haven’t done anything like you just did.

            You said your comment to discredit me because I said Jackass, so now we don’t focus on my argument right?

            You are a child.

            Here UW is calling Agent an idiot in every post. Double standard?

            You yourself do this. Should you not be taken seriously?

            Instead of finding reasons to cover your ears saying: la la la la la la

            Why don’t you find reasons to look at facts instead of stray away from them like a pathetic coward, because someone called you a jack ass.

            Do you ignore your girlfriend or wife when she finally gets mad and calls you a name?

            Is that productive?

            NO!

            So act like a freaking human and move the hell on.

          • February 2, 2016 at 2:29 pm
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            “You said your comment to discredit me because I said Jackass, so now we don’t focus on my argument right?”

            Nope. Like I said, I would’ve been willing to discuss this topic with you, but you just had to insult me out of the blue. You expressed your belief sufficiently with what you wrote before the insult. What good came from you adding jack ass to your post? If I was wrong about something, so be it – that does not make me a jack ass. It just makes me wrong.

            See how FFA and I talked about this matter? I still don’t agree with him, but neither insulted the other one, did we? We conversed like adults and left the insults out of the equation. If you can do this, I’ll discuss this topic with you. If you’d rather keep insulting me like you did in your last two posts, there is no appeal for me to try and discuss something with such an insolent person.

          • February 3, 2016 at 5:00 pm
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            For what its worth to whom ever no one in particular.
            Insults just get in the way of getting your point across and will never accomplish anything.
            To quote my G Pa, To get respect you must give respect. A foul mouth will never be respected.

            It is also ok to agree to disagree.

          • February 21, 2016 at 3:55 pm
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            Confused, they all created the technology in their companies too! Like the internet for example, they did it on their own…after government funded everything making their business possible, and provided the stability needed for markets to exist and their companies to thrive.

        • January 29, 2016 at 3:50 pm
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          Agent, you know my remark smacked of sarcasm. Of course all these people built these businesses. Just because Obama never had a real job in his life and has no clue of the concept doesn’t mean I buy his BS. I repeat his statement to mock him.

          • January 29, 2016 at 5:03 pm
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            FFA, sorry to hear about your wife’s troubles. My wife has had a lot of health issues as you know and I nearly lost her a few years ago due to an embolism that migrated from a surgery and went up to her lungs. We were lucky that we had a great surgeon that got it out and saved her. He said she would have been dead in a week unless he got it out. 17 days in the hospital before she came home and a lot of home healthcare after that. You know what, if a person has their health, they have about everything. Best wishes for your wife and I hope she recovers and gets well soon.

          • February 1, 2016 at 2:22 pm
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            Confused & Agent…. Thanks for the well wishes. I just dont even know what I will do should the worst play out. I’m not a Doom & Gloom kind of a guy, but the possibility is there that this could play out to be the worse case scenario.

        • January 29, 2016 at 8:44 pm
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          Most of those “family businesses” are people who have taken over from their parents, aka didn’t build it themselves.

          Absolutely clueless about everything, as always.

      • January 29, 2016 at 10:14 am
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        Dave, did you notice the leftist trolls were out today spewing their venom? Perhaps they were dishwashers at a local restaurant in their youth and bussed tables. They can’t appreciate how hard it is to make it in the restaurant business, deal with regulations, taxes and now workers demanding $15 per hour.

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          • January 29, 2016 at 4:02 pm
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            You do realize that insurance is a service industry, don’t you bozo?

          • January 29, 2016 at 8:46 pm
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            Thank God for that Agent, because if all the rolls were based on competence and intelligence you would be without a job.

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          • January 29, 2016 at 4:05 pm
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            Hi Sarah, I answered the salary survey IJ sent out and I stacked up well with what other agencies do on remuneration. Are you looking for a job?

          • February 1, 2016 at 1:25 pm
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            No, I have an excellent job, thank you. Just wondered based on your commentary.

          • February 1, 2016 at 8:22 pm
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            He is in a shit market. He could easily hire people for $9-10/hr. He also clearly isn’t in a competitive market where access to reality is necessary, so the only reason he needs more than a couple employees is because it is so cheap, and there is so little actual work that he can easily have somebody else do it.

          • February 3, 2016 at 3:02 pm
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            I’m really not sure why my comment has been thumbed down so much! My question was legitimate and I posed it to Agent to try to understand what he felt was a fair wage. What is with you folks?!

      • February 1, 2016 at 10:55 am
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        Dave, have you had your joke of the day? One poster said McDonald’s is losing market share due to Chipotle offering more healthy choices. I guess he hasn’t been staying up with the news about Chipotle’s troubles offering food that makes people very ill. No one I know of eats at Chipotle anymore. They may have to file bankruptcy soon.

        • February 1, 2016 at 8:32 pm
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          Agent, I honestly think you are mentally disabled. There is not a single post you make that is even close to reality. Yes, you idiot, in the last few months they have had lower sales. But, their stock has increased almost 20% in the last few days.

          Chipotle has been growing at 20%+ per year for years. For an absolute clueless dolt like yourself I will let you know that is explosive, and cut into the number of people going to McDonald’s.

          I honestly don’t understand how you can make it through your day. There has literally never been a topic you are right on or even know the basics about. You supposedly run a business, and don’t know what market share is.

          Also, like always, you base your idiotic analysis on people you know, not reality, not sales data, not stock price, not recent news, not anything but what would literally be the dumbest possible thing, other than making it up–which I think is what you actually did.

          Yeah, they are right on the verge of bankruptcy you dolt.

    • February 3, 2016 at 4:43 pm
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      Hey Arrogance, Are you accusing Bob of being a bully like most Progressives on this site do when he hands them their head in a debate. In case you didn’t notice it, he provides a lot of links to prove his point. Also, in case you didn’t notice it, posters like UW and Confused lead all posters by a wide margin in name calling. Who are you masquerading as?

      • February 4, 2016 at 1:12 pm
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        I lead all posters in name calling? Why don’t you count how many insults you, bob and I have posted in this article alone? You and bob win by a landslide.

        • February 5, 2016 at 3:24 pm
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          If we count all posts, and look at the background and history you will find that goes two ways,

          While you and Ron say it goes one.

          Which actually makes YOU the worse person.

          Look a villain! Disregard all that they say!

          Instead of arguing points.

      • February 4, 2016 at 1:30 pm
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        Yes, Agent, I do consider Bob a bully and incredibly arrogant. And you’re wrong about who leads in name calling – it’s a pretty close race between Left and Right. As for the links to prove his point, most anyone can find a link to support their thoughts if they phrase the search in their favor. It is Bob’s arrogance in telling people how they should behave and what he will and will not tolerate that stands out. Accompanied by the barrage of posts without allowing any response, Bob certainly appears to be an individual with an incredibly large ego, little tolerance for others, and a very short fuse. I didn’t say he was right or wrong – just very, very arrogant.

        • February 4, 2016 at 4:34 pm
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          Well Arrogance, if you have followed Bob for any length of time on this blog, you would know that he posts facts and if the leftists start insulting him and calling him names when they lose the argument, he lets them have it.

          About the only thing I have a problem with is that he gets a bit long winded and posts several times in a row on the same subject. I keep telling him to stop trying to convince committed Progressives because it invariably bounces right off their thick skull. They are all agenda driven and nothing will convince them otherwise. I hope you are not one of them and can listen to reason and the truth.

          • February 4, 2016 at 5:07 pm
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            STOP LYING!!! You claim bob (and you) only insult people when you get insulted.

            You just said Progressives have thick skulls and can’t listen to reason or the truth. Nobody insulted you in your conversation with Arrogance, yet you just insulted others. You made the first insult in this conversation.

            Bob does the same – he called me a jack ass in a reply to me when I hadn’t said even one word to him. He made the first insult in that conversation.

            Your argument that you and bob only insult others when you get insulted first is 100% false. I just provided two examples for you, and for what it’s worth, I have not insulted you at all in this reply.

            -Confused

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            No, he’s not lying.

            Confused, I called you an ignorant jack @#%$ because you are one.

            The primary arguments we have, you insult first.

            You have been a jerk on this site long enough that I am fed up with you.

            Regardless, your attempt here and Ron’s is to discredit on whether or not someone ever says names.

            If you are claiming you don’t, or do so less than other people, the liar is you.

          • February 5, 2016 at 5:27 pm
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            See, why did you change your moniker if you are really Confused? Can’t you stand up and be a man? You can dish it out, but can’t take it.

            I have made hundreds of posts and often the first one to comment on an article and you trolls search for my post and call me names and insult me at the earliest opportunity. I am not going to let you off the hook. Stop commenting and insulting and your life will go smoother and perhaps your boss won’t catch you blogging all day.

  • January 27, 2016 at 5:18 pm
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    There is no way to win for the worker. If they have any benefits at all, they will just switch the money going to pay the employers part of insurance to raise their pay to $15 an hour. Then they have to sign up for Obamacare and probably end up paying more for insurance than what they increased their pay by. People need to be careful for what they ask for.

    • January 27, 2016 at 5:32 pm
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      We have a local restaurant with 3 locations. The lease was expiring on one location and the property was being acquired for development. Customers wanted the restaurant owner to open at another nearby location. However, the owner calculated potential healthcare costs, and took this as an opportunity to get his employee total below 50 so as not to have to provide health insurance to employees under Obamacare.

      • January 29, 2016 at 8:22 am
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      • January 29, 2016 at 1:45 pm
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        Smart man putting pen to paper and figuring out the bottom line. Yet another example of how ofnBama has hurt business & employment.

        • January 29, 2016 at 2:32 pm
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          FFA, small business has been hurt from day one with ofnBama. Won’t it be nice to replace him with a President who will encourage businesses, lower the corporate rate which is the highest in the world, back off on all those costly regulations, get rid of Obamacare which is the biggest job killer ever passed? Won’t it be great to see business flourish again, hire, expand instead of getting beaten down?

          • January 29, 2016 at 4:06 pm
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            It would be nice to see the foreign trade agreements that took our jobs and shipped them out of the US be wiped off the books.

            It would be nice to see someone in the White House that would actually take even fake an interest in getting people back to work in their chosen field instead of forcing them in a position to have to flip burgers to support their families. Maybe all these you folks getting shot up wouldn’t if they had a job to go to. A future to look forward to. Wonder what the Unemployment rate is among teens…

          • January 29, 2016 at 4:32 pm
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            Hi FFA. Some of these leftist posters sound just like their President. It is like they have memorized his speeches on the economy and we didn’t build that or we didn’t do that. Some of these dudes like Ron don’t even pay income taxes. We do and we are the taxpayers who built the infrastructure, roads that the government got from us. They wastefully spend it, do a gigantic Stimulus which was supposed to be dedicated to infrastructure and create jobs. We know how that turned out, don’t we. No infrastructure building and no jobs created.

          • January 29, 2016 at 8:55 pm
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            Agent, you idiot, Obama offered to lower the corporate tax rate about 7%, and Republicans rejected it, because they reject everything, and because it widened the base so fewer companies could use obscure loopholes.

            Also, your line about the highest corporate tax rate is absolute bullshit. You are either terribly uninformed, or intentionally misleading when you make that statement. As every person who has studied the topic knows, the average effective corporate tax rate in the US is around 12.5%.

            The OECD shows that US corporate taxes account for only about 2.5% of GDP, which is the 11th lowest of studied industrialized nations.

            You are so deluded there is no real point addressing your Obamacare/jobs bullshit, but like everything I have ever seen you write, it is wrong, of course.

            You are wrong about everything you write, I am starting to doubt you are even an agent, simply because you wrote it.

          • February 1, 2016 at 10:01 am
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            Agent,

            Here are some facts:
            1. The corporate tax rate has not changed since 1993
            2. The corporate tax rate was higher under President Reagan than it is today
            3. Congress sets the corporate tax rate, not the president.

          • February 2, 2016 at 1:09 pm
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            http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R41743.pdf

            Read down further, the effective average tax rate reported by the government study is 27.1%.

            The 12.5% you are grabbing is during the massive losses of 2008 etc. I have seen those studies. Can you see why when corporations have huge losses, their tax burdens may go down for several years, especially when they were allowed to write off up to 5 years of losses in that time frame?

            Moving on:

            A higher marginal rate with more deductions makes for scenarios that the largest corporations will have the deductions and the smallest will not.

            A lower rate, say 20% with no deductions ensures the largest will pay 20% no matter what, and the smallest will have low rates no matter what.

            We do need to lower the rate.

            For you Ron:

            Who has blocked and made it unpopular to lower the Corporate tax rate itself?

            Whether or not congress decides, certain people make it impossible.

            We have nearly the highest rate in the world, and our revenues from it are pitiful, and you think nothing is wrong with the rate?

            All the evidence shows the rate we have needs to be changed for both revenue and fairness issues.

            You democrats are definitely the party impeding that change for petty disagreements like the one you just had with Agent.

          • February 2, 2016 at 1:21 pm
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            UW:

            I have now source quoted the effective tax rate from a government study,

            And I have shown that Hoover was for raises in the minimum wage.

            But there is no data to see here, is there UW?

            I am going to hammer this home until you get the point.

            Republicans are not stupid people who are not data driven.

            While we are on data driven why don’t we look at Bernie Sanders, the man who 85% of 18-29 year olds voted for, you tell me who the low information voters are UW, you tell me, because that age group votes primarily democrat:

            http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-senator-bernie-sanders-s-tax-plan

            By comparison to Ted Cruz, whose plan I will link in a moment.

            9.5 percent negative of GDP, vs a 13.9 percent increase. That is a net difference of 23.4%

            We have 12.84 percent lower incomes, by compared to Ted Cruz’s 14% increase, a net difference of 26.84% Let’s say we collected 10% of that. 10% of all the incomes in the U.S. UW? How much revenues do you suppose that would bring in? Let’s say it’s 10% of $20,000, a low number, and there are 145 million jobs, the number of revenue from increasing all those incomes by that number is 2.9 trillion for the government, even at 10%.

            6 million less jobs vs 4.8 million more. A net difference of 10.8 million. If they even made $20,000 a year, payroll tax alone would be 43.2 billion dollars of government revenue, and then 10.8 million people wouldn’t need government spending to help them as much.

            Capital available is directly linked to stocks, which is how the middle class can afford to retire.

            Capital stock negative 18.6 percent Bernie Sanders

            43.9 percent increase for Cruz. That is 62.5% of a net difference. This would make someone retire much better.

            And yet, with all these things clearly showing Bernie would make the economy a much worse place,

            EIGHTY FIVE percent of the 18-29 year olds voted for him to be the nomination in Iowa. This is the low information section of society. Not Agent.

          • February 2, 2016 at 1:22 pm
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            Capital available is also linked to low interest rates.

            So you can see how this policy would have achieved the lower interest rates Obama sought without doing it through increased spending but rather through tax cutting that would hit everyone with benefits instead of giving large sums of cash to banks.

            And which party is for the big corporations again?

            You are beyond ignorant UW. Get a clue.

            Republicans are truly against cronyism and big business.

            While they are for business, they are for fair business, economic business, business that helps everyone.

          • February 2, 2016 at 1:27 pm
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            So stick those numbers down your pipe and smoke ’em.

            Freaking idiot…I cannot believe how little you know about these things.

            I’m explaining the CRA to you, the collapses, how to get our country moving forward and you have this absurd anti republican ideology stuck in your head blocking every path to progress.

          • February 2, 2016 at 1:38 pm
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          • February 2, 2016 at 1:41 pm
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            Ron,

            Who is going to put forward the idea Ron? When a republican is president there will be a bigger chance of a lower corporate tax rate.

            Also:

            If all you can say, like a partisan idiotic child is your republicans aren’t perfect either…Then you are not worth my time.

            It is a matter of who is best.

            I just gave numbers and you said stop giving Cruz the edge against Bernie?

            Cruz is better than Bernie by the numbers.

            By the damn numbers. Stop trying to label who I am and whether I prefer republicans to dismiss numbers!!!

            Jesus Christ!

          • February 2, 2016 at 1:42 pm
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            In other words:

            If these numbers were flipped the other way:

            I WOULD VOTE BERNIE.

            For F@#%@% sakes. While I am comparing democrats and republicans, I am comparing their PLANS and the measured affect.

            Your quote is garbage!

          • February 2, 2016 at 1:44 pm
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            Also note, when I said that you said, I mean essentially.

            Because obviously I was not saying republicans were perfect.

            I was comparing Cruz and Bernie. I also compared who blocked corporate tax rate change.

            If the facts are not favorable to democrats, then we don’t suddenly twist it around and say we need to be more reasonable to democrats and put more blame on republicans.

            That is not how facts work.

            If however, republicans were to blame, I WOULD BLAME THEM. Such as the Texas governor who was against the HPV vaccine. I blame him for that.

          • February 2, 2016 at 2:23 pm
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        • February 1, 2016 at 3:05 pm
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          FFA, following is a good one sent me by a friend.

          Things I trust more than Hillary Clinton:
          Mexican Tap Water
          A rattlesnake with a “Pet Me” sign
          An elevator ride with Ray Rice
          Bill Cosby as a bartender
          Gas Station Sushi
          A Jimmy Carter Economic Plan
          Brian Williams News Reports
          Emails from a Nigerian Prince
          A prostate exam from Captain Hook

          • February 1, 2016 at 4:13 pm
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          • February 1, 2016 at 5:48 pm
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            Confused…. Its nothing I havnt heard from a late night talk show host or some wise cracking DJ on the radio.

            My Cable company still has Cosby Reruns on it.

          • February 1, 2016 at 6:10 pm
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            FFA, this goes to prove that humor is not in the vocabulary of a committed leftist troll.

          • February 1, 2016 at 8:36 pm
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          • February 2, 2016 at 1:39 pm
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            Agent,

            Pay no mind to the two idiots who are trying to pretend to care about women more than you.

            Your jokes were perfectly reasonable jokes.

            They just want reasons to believe they are better than you.

          • February 2, 2016 at 2:11 pm
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            Confused, based on his wife having the same illness my wife does, he cares more about women then most. Otherwise, he wouldnt do what he does. Until you have to deal with this illness, you will have no idea what he & I go through. I dont wish this on my worst enemy. Its horrible. Its frustrating. Its depressing. Its painful to watch. It is life altering both mentally and financially for everyone. See someone in pain and not be able to do a darn thing about it. Complicate my situation by wife wife not wanting to rack up more med bills. I am experiencing the worst of oFNbama care. The never ending Co Pay and she wont go for treatment any more because of it. How anyone could support that asshole (ofnbama) is beyond my comprehension. Oh, and Obama is a liar too. obama is just a flat out liar. The worst of the worst.

          • February 2, 2016 at 3:12 pm
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          • February 2, 2016 at 3:17 pm
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            It is called being full of shit.

            His comments were just fine. We don’t need to cater to the already fragile attitudes that lead to word policing and censorship, so allow me to make even more border line comments to ensure that doesn’t happen, while you try to make sure that it does.

            Also: Wording insults pretty doesn’t change that it is an insult. You insult people’s reading comprehension often.

            This is you being sensitive to republicans correct?

          • February 2, 2016 at 3:34 pm
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            Did you express your hurt feelings with CBS, NBC & ABC as well as the DJ’s the across the Country that made up the same wise crack? I’ve seen that very post on Face Book. Anyone complaining to them?

            People need to lighten up a bit. Find a reason to smile and laugh instead of bashing on everyone you dont agree with. That includes everyone in this world. Want a good laugh? Watch the Bulls. How about the John Scott Patrick Kane fight? That was pretty amusing.

          • February 2, 2016 at 4:18 pm
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  • February 2, 2016 at 3:22 pm
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    Good comment FFA. Yes, when we got married it was in “sickness and in health”. Both of us have had wives with plenty of sickness involved, but when you love someone, you take care of them. My wife would do the same for me if it were me that was sick. She is a fine, loving woman with a big heart who bore two great daughters who are very successful in their own lives.

    Regarding Obama and his lies to the people, he is just the biggest one on the Progressive side followed very closely by Hilliary. Let’s hope she is in handcuffs soon for her misdeeds.

    • February 2, 2016 at 3:36 pm
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      I’ve been victimized. I spent more then most make last year. The high deductible. The never ending Co Pay.

      • February 3, 2016 at 9:45 am
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        FFA, you certainly spent more than Ron makes. He didn’t even have to pay Federal Income Tax on what he made. He expects us to pay his taxes for him.

        By the way, the joke I sent was titled -“Things I Trust more than Hillary Clinton”. Ron likes to criticize reading comprehension and Confused as well. The title sailed right over both of their heads. By the way, how did you like that coin flip to decide the Iowa caucus between Clinton & Sanders? She is about toast and the word behind the scenes is that when she is indicted, the Democrats will shove Bernie aside and send Biden/Warren in to be the nominees. That should be interesting.

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        • February 3, 2016 at 12:12 pm
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          I stopped paying attention to politics. Whom ever is going to wipe Obama Care off the books gets my vote whether they have a replacement plan or not.

          • February 4, 2016 at 6:10 pm
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            FFA, Both Cruz and Rubio say they will wipe Obamacare off the books their first day in office. I think Trump said the same thing. One of these guys will be our next President. We do have hope that they will then replace it with something better for the American People and you can get something you can live with.

          • February 5, 2016 at 9:40 am
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          • February 8, 2016 at 12:26 pm
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            All rep candidates are saying that. Even Hillary & Bernie are saying they will get the funding. One way or another – assuming honesty – is gone.

            Hopefully IL politics didn’t infect the White House to the point of no return.

          • February 8, 2016 at 12:28 pm
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            Sorry “Gut” the funding.

          • February 8, 2016 at 1:37 pm
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          • February 10, 2016 at 5:02 pm
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            New Hampshire seems to be a telling story. People are tired of the Political establishment.
            Trump – not a politician – wins big.
            Sanders – hardly know before a few months ago – cleans Hillarys clock.
            Trump takes 40%. Loses 60%. Those that were going to vote for Trump did.
            Those that are not, didnt. He lost 60 – 40. Soon as the field on that side narrow down, Trump may not be the man. I dont think I would have a problem with Kaisch. I dont want another Bush.

            I think I’ll have a Bud.

          • February 10, 2016 at 5:05 pm
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            And Ron, I didnt fall for oBamas BS. I live(d) where he cut his teeth. Crook County. Breeding Ground for corrupt politicians. OBama didnt have the experience. He may have been great had he waited another cycle. You know, gained more experience.

          • February 10, 2016 at 9:24 pm
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            FFA,

            Where in my post did I even infer that you did? Let me guess, you have voted for politicians who did not fulfill their campaign promises, even if it was not their fault. All I am saying is that every politician makes promises to do things they cannot do alone.

      • February 3, 2016 at 12:46 pm
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        FFA, I suppose we will have to live with our label of being the vast right wing conspiracy and according to the left, we have a war on women. We know this is so because Hilliary said so. Bill Clinton raped Juanita Brodderick, but he is given a pass and he is now known as a great former President. Not!

        • February 10, 2016 at 5:39 pm
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          FFA, you are being too kind on Obama. He wouldn’t have forgotten his corrupt Progressive roots in another cycle. The only way he would have been better was to have a frontal lobotomy or hypnotized to loving America and having a background of working for a living and understanding what citizens have been doing for 200+ years. With his background, it is not hard to see how he turned out and the country has been paying for it ever since.

        • February 11, 2016 at 10:05 am
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          FFA, with Fiorina and Christie getting out, the field is narrowing gradually. Bush hanging on by the skin of his teeth. This is going to be a war of attrition and may the strongest survive. The eventual winner will likely to be the best President in the end. Anyone but a Progressive Democrat is the ticket.

  • February 3, 2016 at 5:21 pm
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    Well agent… May not be back on the rest of the week. Got some travel time in front of me. So here is my prediction for the Super Bowl, Ron Rivera D will have Manning running for his life. If Mannings receivers can “sense” he is in trouble and break off their routes, we should be in for a good game.
    On the other side of the ball, The Denver D will need to keep pace with Cam running wild. If they can keep him in the pocket, he wont be able to play his game and Denver should win.
    Either way – two of the best D’s in the league with two of the best QB -if not the best – should make for an entertaining game.

    I pick Carolina by 3.

    • February 3, 2016 at 5:45 pm
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      Well, the way I see it FFA is that Denver will have to play out of their minds defensively to keep the game close. They will have to figure out how to control Newton, because Denver is not going to be able to score much on Carolina. If it is close at the half, it will be a good game. If Newton goes wild, it could get out of hand much like the Cardinals game. I hope it is a good game and not a blowout. I can always switch to Golf if I lose interest.

      • February 8, 2016 at 10:16 am
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        Well FFA, Denver did do what they had to do. They played great defense and came after Newton and he never was able to get in the flow. Manning didn’t have to do anything and didn’t most of the game. Von Miller deserved the MVP for completely disrupting Carolina.

        I will say this game was one of the worst in recent years. It is nauseating seeing teams play this way. The best two teams in football should be able to put on a better show. That is why I turned it off in the fourth quarter.

        • February 8, 2016 at 12:32 pm
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          Miller should have taken the MVP. Guess the NFL wants to send Peyton out with a bang.

          Too much being made of the Cam Newtow post game interview. He looked extremely disappointed and ready to cry. I dont find fault with what he did. Goes through the extreme disappointment of not even competing and then have a boat load of mics shoved in his face. Whats the guy supposed to do? Grin & Bear it?

          • February 8, 2016 at 1:06 pm
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            FFA, Carolina did not do a good job adjusting in this game. They should have been giving that tackle some help on Miller. He had no chance to stop that rush. On the other hand, Michael Oher (Blind Side) seemed to do ok on the other side except for a false start. Carolina looked “shell shocked” for most of the game and Newton found out what a real defense can do.

          • February 10, 2016 at 4:54 pm
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            Yes. You are right.
            But Olson belongs running routes. I cant believe the Bears let him walk. He is one of the best in the biz. For now anyways, we are stuck with Bennett who is shaking out to be a club house cancer.
            As good as their d is, they dont compare to the 85 Bears. (thats all I have to cling to being a Chicago fan).

          • February 10, 2016 at 5:43 pm
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            FFA, we appreciate the 85 Bears as being the stoutest defense we have seen. Denver was close this year. Did you notice Miller’s eyes when he lined up facing the camera? They were big and he was salivating to get to Newton and he did. That tackle assigned to him had to see it as well. After a few series, the coaches should have realized they needed to do something about Miller, but didn’t so they got whomped big time.



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