I agree that’s a concern, but what data is actually collected?
Speed, miles driven city vs. highway, braking “force”, average acceleration from a stop are all known quantities being tracked. I wouldn’t care if that info was “sold.”
I presume they can’t determine who is driving (unless it’s a smartphone based Telemetrics option and not connected to the OBD port) so personal identifying info (e.g. license, age, sex, etc.) wouldn’t be collected, correct?
Again – I agree that’s a concern which needs to be flushed out, but I first wonder what data is actually being collected in the first place.
Anyone catch the statement that the info would be sold to third parties? Part of the world wide web, right? I wonder if people putting in telematics devices will get a rate increase if the device detects the 17 year old son out at 3:00 AM.
So you insult me and my intelligence and then get offended with a small jab in return. That is why I rarely even respond to you anymore.
August 10, 2016 at 10:55 am
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You asked “Anyone catch the statement that the info would be sold to third parties?”
So I answered “Well, everyone who posted above your comment caught that.”
I fail to see where I insulted your intelligence. All I did was answer your question.
August 5, 2016 at 1:56 pm
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Great comment knowall, I was going to say the same thing. This is something that customers need to know on a one on one basis, but off course they’ll never know, The most they’ll get is an insert in their renewal policy with microscopic writing about the subject matter.
Correct Rosenblatt. You fail to see all the time. That is your problem. You read everything backward from regular folks. You “word parse” every single thing. Not an attractive trait to have. Quit word parsing and insulting and you will do better on this blog.
Please tell me what I said that you took as an insult so I don’t do it again. Simply saying “you word parsed” isn’t helpful – you need to tell me exactly what I said that you took as an insult so I don’t say something like it again.
This is what they detect. Allstate actually is not sending out devices to new customers anymore. It’s program is now an app for your smart phone. Drivewise mobile automatically detects trips
•Maximize rewards Enroll all drivers
•Safe speed (< 80 mph)
•Safe stops (limited hard braking)
•Safe hours
The devices that Progressive uses for Snapshot are overly sensitive on starts and stops. They say that if a driver accelerates more than 7 MPH in one second, that is a bad thing or if the driver brakes to avoid someone pulling out in front of them, that is a penalty. Big Brother in the sky.
The information being track beyond the items specified are the following:
Location
Frequency of Location
Times of traveled location
Average distance traveled
These are just a few items that will be tracked and then sold for marketing purposes. This will allow someone to target market to the specific household once Allstate or any other company using this technologies shares the data.
Example would be that I drive 50 miles a day passing a sporting good store 2 times each day. I also stop at recreation fields twice a week. Based off of this assumptions can be made that I am associated with some type of sport either myself or with a child and this can then be sold to the sporting goods store for future purchases and their direct marketing.
Just a small example, imagine how this can be done with everything you pass by on your daily or weekly travels…
I am an allstate employee in the Technology side. Most of us don’t take allstate insurance services and if we do, we don’t subscribe to the Allstate devices or apps such as Drivewise. Drivewise is part of Arity now. Almost all of consumers’ private data is collected and sold off such as to Tribune group etc. Your personally identifiable data such as age, DOB, ethnicity are not shared because there is a law for that. My advice, pay a little more for the Insurance but don’t sell your data through these technology gimmicks.
I’m behind the times but is it legal to sell without permission from person data is collected on?
It’s probably buried somewhere in the TOS of the data collection agreement, where no one ever reads far enough to get to it.
I agree that’s a concern, but what data is actually collected?
Speed, miles driven city vs. highway, braking “force”, average acceleration from a stop are all known quantities being tracked. I wouldn’t care if that info was “sold.”
I presume they can’t determine who is driving (unless it’s a smartphone based Telemetrics option and not connected to the OBD port) so personal identifying info (e.g. license, age, sex, etc.) wouldn’t be collected, correct?
Again – I agree that’s a concern which needs to be flushed out, but I first wonder what data is actually being collected in the first place.
Anyone catch the statement that the info would be sold to third parties? Part of the world wide web, right? I wonder if people putting in telematics devices will get a rate increase if the device detects the 17 year old son out at 3:00 AM.
Well, everyone who posted above your comment caught that. I’m still trying to find out exactly what information is being captured and sold.
Rosenblatt, I hope you can provide the answer. Good luck on Google this time. You seemed to have a lot of trouble the last time you tried.
I should’ve expected you to insult me in your reply and not even make a half-feeble attempt to converse sans negativity, but I did not.
So you insult me and my intelligence and then get offended with a small jab in return. That is why I rarely even respond to you anymore.
You asked “Anyone catch the statement that the info would be sold to third parties?”
So I answered “Well, everyone who posted above your comment caught that.”
I fail to see where I insulted your intelligence. All I did was answer your question.
Great comment knowall, I was going to say the same thing. This is something that customers need to know on a one on one basis, but off course they’ll never know, The most they’ll get is an insert in their renewal policy with microscopic writing about the subject matter.
Correct Rosenblatt. You fail to see all the time. That is your problem. You read everything backward from regular folks. You “word parse” every single thing. Not an attractive trait to have. Quit word parsing and insulting and you will do better on this blog.
Please tell me what I said that you took as an insult so I don’t do it again. Simply saying “you word parsed” isn’t helpful – you need to tell me exactly what I said that you took as an insult so I don’t say something like it again.
Would still like to know exactly what I said that you took as an insult so I can avoid p1ssing you off in the future, if possible.
Right now it’s voluntary. Some day it will be mandatory.
This is what they detect. Allstate actually is not sending out devices to new customers anymore. It’s program is now an app for your smart phone. Drivewise mobile automatically detects trips
•Maximize rewards Enroll all drivers
•Safe speed (< 80 mph)
•Safe stops (limited hard braking)
•Safe hours
The devices that Progressive uses for Snapshot are overly sensitive on starts and stops. They say that if a driver accelerates more than 7 MPH in one second, that is a bad thing or if the driver brakes to avoid someone pulling out in front of them, that is a penalty. Big Brother in the sky.
Try losing some weight. The car won’t have to work as hard to slow down and stop.
The information being track beyond the items specified are the following:
Location
Frequency of Location
Times of traveled location
Average distance traveled
These are just a few items that will be tracked and then sold for marketing purposes. This will allow someone to target market to the specific household once Allstate or any other company using this technologies shares the data.
Example would be that I drive 50 miles a day passing a sporting good store 2 times each day. I also stop at recreation fields twice a week. Based off of this assumptions can be made that I am associated with some type of sport either myself or with a child and this can then be sold to the sporting goods store for future purchases and their direct marketing.
Just a small example, imagine how this can be done with everything you pass by on your daily or weekly travels…
I am an allstate employee in the Technology side. Most of us don’t take allstate insurance services and if we do, we don’t subscribe to the Allstate devices or apps such as Drivewise. Drivewise is part of Arity now. Almost all of consumers’ private data is collected and sold off such as to Tribune group etc. Your personally identifiable data such as age, DOB, ethnicity are not shared because there is a law for that. My advice, pay a little more for the Insurance but don’t sell your data through these technology gimmicks.