I think the Senate and Congress have done the right thing in over riding the President’s Veto allowing victims of 9/11 to sue Saudi Arabia for her involvement. Also, they have knowingly allowed the millions of victims of Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Yemen, Palestine, Libya and many other countries, who have been killed by American weapons; directly or indirectly to sue them for their losses. It also includes wedging immoral, illegal and inhumane wars on Iraq and other countries. If I am right; almost all the Presidents including Obama, President Carter, Nixon, Reagan, Clinton, Georeg Bush (of course), and all the military generals and pilots and government officials, who took part in that unholy missions can be sued too.It would not stopped here, but other countries like the UK and the European Union and Israel also will be sued for their military actions in killing innocent people. The world will be different, if this resolution become a law.
I support the override, despite the potential impact on sovereign immunity elsewhere. Saudi Arabia is a case of having its cake and eating it too–it abrogates its responsibility on religion to the Mullahs, pays huge sums to keep them from overthrowing the Saudi Monarchy, which sums are used to foster and export radical Wahhabism which is in large part the problem we are facing with ISIS and previously with Al Qaeda. Unlike the US Saudi Arabia hides behind its sovereign immunity while causing/aiding the very problem we are fighting and which it should be too.
This is a real problem. I feel for the victims families so much, which is why it’s hard to say…this is a mistake. GWB and Obama should have made good on GWB’s promise “we will not distinguish between the terrorists and the countries that harbor them.” Saudi Arabia needs to be dealt with, but a civil lawsuit won’t work. It creates a million problems, and even if victorious, the victims families won’t get a thing. We have no way to enforce it. Any threat the US makes to seize anything would be a bluff and they know it. The administration and congress owe these families some attempt at actual justice, not just the illusion of it. It’s a placebo. A way of appeasing and placating people in pain. Shameful. They deserve better.
…and by the way…did I read this right? Congress passed a law, they knew was bad because it was too broad and said “it’s ok we’ll fix it later”? Is noone going to cry foul on that?
The context does not fix what she was saying and this person used the quote properly.
Just like before we had to wait until the bill was passed to experience the possible benefits, that she promised were sure to come, and never materialized,
We now have a scenario where from this person’s mind, passing a bill that is bad where we might not see the possible consequences, of which there will always be consequences, in order to have a bill, he considers it justified.
This is similar, and as usual you play this game. Knock it off Ron.
Second, context ALWAYS matters. Just like, “You did not build that”. What is “that”? It is called context.
I will not knock off bring levity.
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Bob,
First, I want to hear from Former Status Quo.
Second, context ALWAYS matters. Just like, “You did not build that”. What is “that”? It is called context.
I will not knock off bring levity.”
You have some fancy footwork kid. You’re the one who is assuming what he said and are applying the context. Then you claim that I’m being a fool and context is somehow going to change this scenario. It’s not. I already explained that. Context does not change the concept of what Pelosi did, and the way it was framed with “Lots of people in Congress shoot first and aim later…” Fits any reasonable person’s understanding of the quote:
“Do you remember Pelosi’s comments on the healthcare law? “We can read it later…
Lots of people in Congress shoot first and aim later…”
Both of those fit this. Whether she meant that people needed to see the effects of the bill after it was passed, or if she didn’t read the bill herself and understand it before it was passed. Both mean basically the same thing and don’t change what she did. What she did was pass something assuming it would work, and people would see benefits, even though all the relevant data showed that was not the case. She was saying don’t pay attention to the bill, because you’ll get benefits. Don’t pay attention to the CBO reports. Just charge on, because reasons. It means the same thing in either case.
On this one, it is only because you are making a bad assumption that context is needed for you personally. You’re not finding some clever aha, you’re refusing to see reality.
You have already drawn your conclusions, because it’s so not fair and this republican must be a hypocrite right?
You act like you are well educated and fair, but you’re not. You’re just some punk kid who keeps on trying to point out hypocrisy. Knock it off, and debate the actual issues.
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Let me dumb it down for you, because you’re the problem yet again with America, or people like you are.
Democrats pass the ACA and you admit it is bad: At least they passed something.
Republicans pass something, which by the way, every time they sponsor a bill it gets shut down, so they have to work with democrats on this one, and they do this to pass some sort of a bill that resembles what they want, which is basically concessions,
And you then state: They passed something horrible!
Hmmm…Let me say to you what you said back in the day of the ACA: At least they passed something, and it was bi partisan no less.
Also note that the cosponsors of this bill were precisely half and half democrats and republicans. It shows they are willing to pass things they agree with even if it isn’t exactly what they want.
Looks Like President Obama was the smart one, the Republicans are admitting as such, and they are still trying to blame him for the bill he vetoed and they overrode.
I also can’t help but note you mentioned Republicans in there but not democrats.
Even if you were correct, (which you’re not, this is just being used to again trigger you and make republicans appear bad)
This bill passed with overwhelming support. 97-1 in the senate, 1 democrat against. 348 to 77 in the house, 18 republican 59 democrat.
This means 123 democrats voted in favor of this law, and Kaine actually roll called it, and didn’t vote to avoid the controversy. That right there is another level of corruption, just don’t vote on the hot issues before the campaign eh?
Being able to hold countries accountable makes sense. This “what if someone sues us?” garbage doesn’t matter. If we did something wrong, it would hold us liable, if we didn’t, odd are it wouldn’t, and accountability would only come with dollars at that point as we are talking civil suits.
This would not change current war crimes laws and trying criminals, which I have seen some people in this very page try to compare that level, which is separate.
My point here is you are assigning blame to one, and not only that, you’re wrong about the concept of what is occurring.
Do you want to know why you should say wow?
Obama refused to pass a plan that would allow proper governance on the issue, and democrats disallowed it as well, so republicans finally agreed to pass a plan that wasn’t perfect, but it was a plan. Kind of like the healthcare you blame republicans for? If you have some intellect you might be able to analyze that, I’m not going to fully explain it to you.
Now they are saying they see “some” problems. Some. Not that the “whole” plan was bad, some.
And in that they are saying they need to change the plan slightly, and are pissed at Obama for not allowing that to happen.
Let’s compare to the health care issue.
Republicans had CBO rated plans that Obama refused let to move forward, along with democrats, saying there were no plans. Then the democrats said “we had to pass this bad plan because there were no other plans” which was false.
In this case, when the republicans say it, it is true.
So you should be pissed that the republicans have to make the public aware of this nonsense, not pissed thinking the republicans passed something bad.
Let’s blame the people at fault, and not people who have daily put plans on the table, over 500, that outright get blocked and rejected by the left.
Since you are too lazy to read the article, it was House Speaker Paul Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell. they are the only ones quoted in the article.
At least President Obama recognized that there are some problems with the bill and did his duty by vetoing the bill.
You said, “Hey Obama? Stop blocking us from passing good plans, the public doesn’t like some of these clauses!”
I still want to know, if this is such a good idea, why this was not done in 2004 when the Republicans had control of all 3 branches.
Regarding health care, please cite the name and number of the bill with the Republican plan to replace the PPACA. They have had the majorities in Congress for over a year and a half. NO MORE EXCUSES!!!!!
When are you going to start holding Republicans accountable for not fulfilling their duties?
You are no moderate. Just another pawn for the right.
October 7, 2016 at 3:26 pm
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I read the @#%@#ing link. I’m well aware who was included, the context, as you elegantly put it in your last post, is quite relevant. Did YOU read the CONCEPT and CONTEXT of my posts, vs the CONTEXT of what you are source quoting?
You have some serious issues, you’re practically just ignoring everything I say to see what you want.
“At least President Obama recognized that there are some problems with the bill and did his duty by vetoing the bill.”
No. Just no. That is not his duty, and the issues with the bill here are minor. The republicans are passing a bill with the intent of changing it. Or did Obama not do his duty by not vetoing the Health Care bill? He is already preparing to use this to attack republicans. That is not his duty.
“I still want to know, if this is such a good idea, why this was not done in 2004 when the Republicans had control of all 3 branches.
Regarding health care, please cite the name and number of the bill with the Republican plan to replace the PPACA. They have had the majorities in Congress for over a year and a half. NO MORE EXCUSES!!!!!”
Countless were put through, and no more excuse for democrats to block all bills. When they filibuster there are very few bill names, because it has to get past the initial process. Also, republicans as a majority voted to pass these bills. If 10% of republicans were not united, and 90% of democrats blocked the bill, it’s time to blame the democrats. Idiot.
“When are you going to start holding Republicans accountable for not fulfilling their duties?
You are no moderate. Just another pawn for the right.”
When the hell are you on the left???? The fact that you twist this is insane! Democrats block progress and you find reasons to give democrats credit on everything and accuse republicans! This is PRECISELY why they cannot get things done!
Go to hell. I mean it this time, I’ve never meant it to other people, but YOU people like you are delusional and are leading my generation astray and are going to ruin this nation.
Blocked, even though democrats to this day say it was similar to the ACA. It shows democrats will try to block anything republicans do regarding healthcare, but note: It didn’t even get voted on.
October 7, 2016 at 3:36 pm
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Bush W asking healthcare providers what they needed:
And I’m going to go against other here and say this is GOOD. The efficiency needs to be better done, but it gave people help. This shows republicans are NOT about denying help for the poor.
Note how quickly he passed it. It was within his first 2 years.
Bush W was a big man on acting and putting bills out there. Democrats still managed to block him on quite a bit.
Another plan, stopped by your side. When you say they couldn’t get it done, the media criticized and stopped all his plans.
They kept on saying “not enough” “it helps the rich” in the case of the retirement plans I mentioned.
You have selectively chosen based on a blanket “do nothing” republican bull crap line you were fed at a young age, when you were too stupid to know politics and what Bush W and republicans were doing, decided to do this “republicans hypocrite democrats do things” bull crap.
More to come baby boy. And yes, you’re a baby.
Grow up!!!!
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So stop this bull. I’m sick of it.
Everyone else just doesn’t understand the unfairness and hypocrisy of republicans right?
I show how they block plans. I have proven they do play games with this. I have shown where they allow criminal liability due to how you talk.
On campus the millennials are wanting hate speech to be a criminal offense that can have you expelled and jailed.
Professors are losing their jobs by saying jokes about feminism.
Democrats are lying about gun control, republicans are putting forward plans.
Democrats lied about Iraq and used it as a political center piece.
They use whatever they can to get the vote.
And when someone can’t pass a plan because democrats won’t let it go through, they either default to “republicans do it to” or “it wasn’t a good plan” or “no plans exist”
This is sheer insanity.
Yes. Republicans occasionally block plans, and they say the reason out right. When your reason is, “this goes to far and allows suits on prior firms that didn’t engage in sexism” that is a valid reason.
When you say “Well, this allows people to shoot guns at shooting ranges (almost contributes no violence to mass shootings” it’s not a very good reason not to pass sound background checks.
But on the other side, when you put in a bill something that says you have to prove you are a trust worthy citizen and you have a reason to own a gun, and that mirrors how Australia took away guns, and republicans say we won’t pass this wording, and you then lie and say they are against all gun control….That is not a good thing to fight over.
I will go over these fights on a case by case basis, not a blanket statement of “well they were in office”. I’m going to go by who did what you whiny little brat.
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There you go again, Bob.
As Agent/Deplorables might say, if you have to result to insults, you have lost the debate.
No surprise you are a Trump supporter; quick to insult, too emotional, unable to answer simple questions directly, poor temperament and lacking experience.
Exactly how old do you think I am? I am definitely no millennial or even Gen Y. I am trying to educate you ion the realities of the world, but you would rather live in your own fantasy.
If you read the link, why did you ask, “Who were the republicans?”, in response to my question, “Who are the Democrats who were quoted in the CNN article?”?
You are not nearly as smart as you think.
Either concede that the Republicans did not include a replacement of the PPACA in any of their repeal bills or cite the bill # that did. I really do not care what happened in 1993 or during the 2000s. I would even be willing to give them a pass up to January 2015. However, as I stated, they have had more than a year and a half to craft their replacement and pass it, at least in the House. They, like you, are failures. No wonder why you gravitate towards the right.
For the record, I have held Democrats accountable. I spoken against the PPACA, the handling of Benghazi, President Obama’s handling of race relations, de-regulations signed by President Clinton and Hillary Clinton’s irresponsible handling of emails while Secretary of State, just to name a few.
You never did address my statement, “I still want to know, if this is such a good idea, why this was not done in 2004 when the Republicans had control of all 3 branches.”
I will see you there, buddy.
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You’re an idiot and I have no reason to talk to you. I’ve given you every piece of information to educate you and yet you constantly say how the republicans are misleading people, and I’m a typical mislead republican.
Get a clue.
I don’t have time to debate with someone whose only method of debate is to blame republicans without data, and solely based on who is in office vs who voted how.
I’m talking to someone who acts like a child. You’re not worth my time. I’ll continue to post facts here in reply to your idiotic posts, to show what a fool you are and help others, but I’m not going to talk to you.
Just at you. Henceforth.
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In other words, the media is overstating what republicans are saying, and what their goal was.
They did not misstep and pass a horrible plan for the sake of it. They passed what they could, for once, and are preparing for the backlash, but are also pointing out:
Hey Obama? Stop blocking us from passing good plans, the public doesn’t like some of these clauses!
And then the media STILL tries to make the republicans look bad. Your generation, and mine, are so easy to mislead it is insane.
Get on your game, and learn how to research outside of finding an article in a knee jerk reaction and saying “WOW! Just like I always thought republicans are extreme!”
That’s basically what you did, and I could do that if I was 5.
You have a duty as an American citizen. Fulfill it.
Let’s start with medicare part d. That was an expanded assistance program.
Modifying the health insurance market is not the main thing we need. You keep saying they didn’t do anything. By that you mean they didn’t over regulate the insurance market. What did they pass as an assistance program? Medicare part d, and you don’t count it. It’s magic in your mind, because you don’t like it. But you do count the ACA in your mind, which you also don’t like.
I went over the retirement plans proposed by Bush W. Great plans. Democrats blocked it.
And now you agree with the plans I mentioned from republicans, and you say NO MORE EXCUSES when for a fact, the democrats are why they weren’t passed!
How do you do these mental gymnastics? You just keep blaming republicans for everything, and you make sweeping dumb comments to do it.
Well, they were in control! Therefore they have no opposition?
Ignorant. And therefore we should blame ALL republicans? The whole party, for the 10% it would take to stop the bills which democrats blocked?
Why don’t we go one by one then, if you want to do this ignorance, and hold Harry Reid accountable.
If this is the ignorant game you want to play, then I will take those 10% of republicans by name, and say we should remove them, and the 90% of democrats, and we will remove them.
Then you will understand how to get your issues into office,
because right now, you are clueless on the matter.
Yup, looks like he tried to do nothing. Just because he was sopped does not mean he was a do nothing president. He also did pass I don’t know, one of the biggest expansions of medicare ever.
People like you are so stupid it is mind boggling.
Shortly after 9/11 Congress appropriated BILLIONS to compensate the families of victims. As I recall, this was done partly in exchange for their agreement to refrain from suing the airlines. Some of these families received millions, on top of life insurance payouts and, for many, survivor benefits from Work Comp and Social Security.
This is a very bad law with potentially adverse consequences, and the President was correct to veto it.
I think the Senate and Congress have done the right thing in over riding the President’s Veto allowing victims of 9/11 to sue Saudi Arabia for her involvement. Also, they have knowingly allowed the millions of victims of Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Yemen, Palestine, Libya and many other countries, who have been killed by American weapons; directly or indirectly to sue them for their losses. It also includes wedging immoral, illegal and inhumane wars on Iraq and other countries. If I am right; almost all the Presidents including Obama, President Carter, Nixon, Reagan, Clinton, Georeg Bush (of course), and all the military generals and pilots and government officials, who took part in that unholy missions can be sued too.It would not stopped here, but other countries like the UK and the European Union and Israel also will be sued for their military actions in killing innocent people. The world will be different, if this resolution become a law.
When was the last time we had a President who WASN’T a war criminal, JFK?
I support the override, despite the potential impact on sovereign immunity elsewhere. Saudi Arabia is a case of having its cake and eating it too–it abrogates its responsibility on religion to the Mullahs, pays huge sums to keep them from overthrowing the Saudi Monarchy, which sums are used to foster and export radical Wahhabism which is in large part the problem we are facing with ISIS and previously with Al Qaeda. Unlike the US Saudi Arabia hides behind its sovereign immunity while causing/aiding the very problem we are fighting and which it should be too.
This is a real problem. I feel for the victims families so much, which is why it’s hard to say…this is a mistake. GWB and Obama should have made good on GWB’s promise “we will not distinguish between the terrorists and the countries that harbor them.” Saudi Arabia needs to be dealt with, but a civil lawsuit won’t work. It creates a million problems, and even if victorious, the victims families won’t get a thing. We have no way to enforce it. Any threat the US makes to seize anything would be a bluff and they know it. The administration and congress owe these families some attempt at actual justice, not just the illusion of it. It’s a placebo. A way of appeasing and placating people in pain. Shameful. They deserve better.
…and by the way…did I read this right? Congress passed a law, they knew was bad because it was too broad and said “it’s ok we’ll fix it later”? Is noone going to cry foul on that?
Do you remember Pelosi’s comments on the healthcare law? “We can read it later…”
Lots of people in Congress shoot first and aim later…
Former Status Quo,
Did you ever read the entire context of her statement and understand how a bill becomes a law, or do you prefer to live in the world of sound bights?
The context does not fix what she was saying and this person used the quote properly.
Just like before we had to wait until the bill was passed to experience the possible benefits, that she promised were sure to come, and never materialized,
We now have a scenario where from this person’s mind, passing a bill that is bad where we might not see the possible consequences, of which there will always be consequences, in order to have a bill, he considers it justified.
This is similar, and as usual you play this game. Knock it off Ron.
Bob,
First, I want to hear from Former Status Quo.
Second, context ALWAYS matters. Just like, “You did not build that”. What is “that”? It is called context.
I will not knock off bring levity.
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First, I want to hear from Former Status Quo.
Second, context ALWAYS matters. Just like, “You did not build that”. What is “that”? It is called context.
I will not knock off bring levity.”
You have some fancy footwork kid. You’re the one who is assuming what he said and are applying the context. Then you claim that I’m being a fool and context is somehow going to change this scenario. It’s not. I already explained that. Context does not change the concept of what Pelosi did, and the way it was framed with “Lots of people in Congress shoot first and aim later…” Fits any reasonable person’s understanding of the quote:
“Do you remember Pelosi’s comments on the healthcare law? “We can read it later…
Lots of people in Congress shoot first and aim later…”
Both of those fit this. Whether she meant that people needed to see the effects of the bill after it was passed, or if she didn’t read the bill herself and understand it before it was passed. Both mean basically the same thing and don’t change what she did. What she did was pass something assuming it would work, and people would see benefits, even though all the relevant data showed that was not the case. She was saying don’t pay attention to the bill, because you’ll get benefits. Don’t pay attention to the CBO reports. Just charge on, because reasons. It means the same thing in either case.
On this one, it is only because you are making a bad assumption that context is needed for you personally. You’re not finding some clever aha, you’re refusing to see reality.
You have already drawn your conclusions, because it’s so not fair and this republican must be a hypocrite right?
You act like you are well educated and fair, but you’re not. You’re just some punk kid who keeps on trying to point out hypocrisy. Knock it off, and debate the actual issues.
Let me dumb it down for you, because you’re the problem yet again with America, or people like you are.
Democrats pass the ACA and you admit it is bad: At least they passed something.
Republicans pass something, which by the way, every time they sponsor a bill it gets shut down, so they have to work with democrats on this one, and they do this to pass some sort of a bill that resembles what they want, which is basically concessions,
And you then state: They passed something horrible!
Hmmm…Let me say to you what you said back in the day of the ACA: At least they passed something, and it was bi partisan no less.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/2040/cosponsors
Also note that the cosponsors of this bill were precisely half and half democrats and republicans. It shows they are willing to pass things they agree with even if it isn’t exactly what they want.
Wow, just wow!
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/29/politics/obama-911-veto-congressional-concerns/index.html
Looks Like President Obama was the smart one, the Republicans are admitting as such, and they are still trying to blame him for the bill he vetoed and they overrode.
Nope. I’ve already seen this and it shows how naive you are.
I also can’t help but note you mentioned Republicans in there but not democrats.
Even if you were correct, (which you’re not, this is just being used to again trigger you and make republicans appear bad)
This bill passed with overwhelming support. 97-1 in the senate, 1 democrat against. 348 to 77 in the house, 18 republican 59 democrat.
This means 123 democrats voted in favor of this law, and Kaine actually roll called it, and didn’t vote to avoid the controversy. That right there is another level of corruption, just don’t vote on the hot issues before the campaign eh?
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/2040/actions
For God’s sakes.
Being able to hold countries accountable makes sense. This “what if someone sues us?” garbage doesn’t matter. If we did something wrong, it would hold us liable, if we didn’t, odd are it wouldn’t, and accountability would only come with dollars at that point as we are talking civil suits.
This would not change current war crimes laws and trying criminals, which I have seen some people in this very page try to compare that level, which is separate.
Bob,
Who are the Democrats who were quoted in the CNN article?
Who were the republicans?
My point here is you are assigning blame to one, and not only that, you’re wrong about the concept of what is occurring.
Do you want to know why you should say wow?
Obama refused to pass a plan that would allow proper governance on the issue, and democrats disallowed it as well, so republicans finally agreed to pass a plan that wasn’t perfect, but it was a plan. Kind of like the healthcare you blame republicans for? If you have some intellect you might be able to analyze that, I’m not going to fully explain it to you.
Now they are saying they see “some” problems. Some. Not that the “whole” plan was bad, some.
And in that they are saying they need to change the plan slightly, and are pissed at Obama for not allowing that to happen.
Let’s compare to the health care issue.
Republicans had CBO rated plans that Obama refused let to move forward, along with democrats, saying there were no plans. Then the democrats said “we had to pass this bad plan because there were no other plans” which was false.
In this case, when the republicans say it, it is true.
So you should be pissed that the republicans have to make the public aware of this nonsense, not pissed thinking the republicans passed something bad.
Let’s blame the people at fault, and not people who have daily put plans on the table, over 500, that outright get blocked and rejected by the left.
Bob,
Since you are too lazy to read the article, it was House Speaker Paul Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell. they are the only ones quoted in the article.
At least President Obama recognized that there are some problems with the bill and did his duty by vetoing the bill.
You said, “Hey Obama? Stop blocking us from passing good plans, the public doesn’t like some of these clauses!”
I still want to know, if this is such a good idea, why this was not done in 2004 when the Republicans had control of all 3 branches.
Regarding health care, please cite the name and number of the bill with the Republican plan to replace the PPACA. They have had the majorities in Congress for over a year and a half. NO MORE EXCUSES!!!!!
When are you going to start holding Republicans accountable for not fulfilling their duties?
You are no moderate. Just another pawn for the right.
I read the @#%@#ing link. I’m well aware who was included, the context, as you elegantly put it in your last post, is quite relevant. Did YOU read the CONCEPT and CONTEXT of my posts, vs the CONTEXT of what you are source quoting?
You have some serious issues, you’re practically just ignoring everything I say to see what you want.
“At least President Obama recognized that there are some problems with the bill and did his duty by vetoing the bill.”
No. Just no. That is not his duty, and the issues with the bill here are minor. The republicans are passing a bill with the intent of changing it. Or did Obama not do his duty by not vetoing the Health Care bill? He is already preparing to use this to attack republicans. That is not his duty.
“I still want to know, if this is such a good idea, why this was not done in 2004 when the Republicans had control of all 3 branches.
Regarding health care, please cite the name and number of the bill with the Republican plan to replace the PPACA. They have had the majorities in Congress for over a year and a half. NO MORE EXCUSES!!!!!”
Countless were put through, and no more excuse for democrats to block all bills. When they filibuster there are very few bill names, because it has to get past the initial process. Also, republicans as a majority voted to pass these bills. If 10% of republicans were not united, and 90% of democrats blocked the bill, it’s time to blame the democrats. Idiot.
“When are you going to start holding Republicans accountable for not fulfilling their duties?
You are no moderate. Just another pawn for the right.”
When the hell are you on the left???? The fact that you twist this is insane! Democrats block progress and you find reasons to give democrats credit on everything and accuse republicans! This is PRECISELY why they cannot get things done!
Go to hell. I mean it this time, I’ve never meant it to other people, but YOU people like you are delusional and are leading my generation astray and are going to ruin this nation.
I will be glad when you are gone.
http://khn.org/news/gop-1993-health-reform-bill/
Blocked, even though democrats to this day say it was similar to the ACA. It shows democrats will try to block anything republicans do regarding healthcare, but note: It didn’t even get voted on.
Bush W asking healthcare providers what they needed:
http://www.webmd.com/health-insurance/george-w-bushs-health-care-plans
“Landmark” bills passed.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/12/08/elec04.medicare/
And I’m going to go against other here and say this is GOOD. The efficiency needs to be better done, but it gave people help. This shows republicans are NOT about denying help for the poor.
Note how quickly he passed it. It was within his first 2 years.
Bush W was a big man on acting and putting bills out there. Democrats still managed to block him on quite a bit.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21929-2004Aug21.html
Another plan, stopped by your side. When you say they couldn’t get it done, the media criticized and stopped all his plans.
They kept on saying “not enough” “it helps the rich” in the case of the retirement plans I mentioned.
You have selectively chosen based on a blanket “do nothing” republican bull crap line you were fed at a young age, when you were too stupid to know politics and what Bush W and republicans were doing, decided to do this “republicans hypocrite democrats do things” bull crap.
More to come baby boy. And yes, you’re a baby.
Grow up!!!!
So stop this bull. I’m sick of it.
Everyone else just doesn’t understand the unfairness and hypocrisy of republicans right?
I show how they block plans. I have proven they do play games with this. I have shown where they allow criminal liability due to how you talk.
On campus the millennials are wanting hate speech to be a criminal offense that can have you expelled and jailed.
Professors are losing their jobs by saying jokes about feminism.
Democrats are lying about gun control, republicans are putting forward plans.
Democrats lied about Iraq and used it as a political center piece.
They use whatever they can to get the vote.
And when someone can’t pass a plan because democrats won’t let it go through, they either default to “republicans do it to” or “it wasn’t a good plan” or “no plans exist”
This is sheer insanity.
Yes. Republicans occasionally block plans, and they say the reason out right. When your reason is, “this goes to far and allows suits on prior firms that didn’t engage in sexism” that is a valid reason.
When you say “Well, this allows people to shoot guns at shooting ranges (almost contributes no violence to mass shootings” it’s not a very good reason not to pass sound background checks.
But on the other side, when you put in a bill something that says you have to prove you are a trust worthy citizen and you have a reason to own a gun, and that mirrors how Australia took away guns, and republicans say we won’t pass this wording, and you then lie and say they are against all gun control….That is not a good thing to fight over.
I will go over these fights on a case by case basis, not a blanket statement of “well they were in office”. I’m going to go by who did what you whiny little brat.
There you go again, Bob.
As Agent/Deplorables might say, if you have to result to insults, you have lost the debate.
No surprise you are a Trump supporter; quick to insult, too emotional, unable to answer simple questions directly, poor temperament and lacking experience.
Exactly how old do you think I am? I am definitely no millennial or even Gen Y. I am trying to educate you ion the realities of the world, but you would rather live in your own fantasy.
If you read the link, why did you ask, “Who were the republicans?”, in response to my question, “Who are the Democrats who were quoted in the CNN article?”?
You are not nearly as smart as you think.
Either concede that the Republicans did not include a replacement of the PPACA in any of their repeal bills or cite the bill # that did. I really do not care what happened in 1993 or during the 2000s. I would even be willing to give them a pass up to January 2015. However, as I stated, they have had more than a year and a half to craft their replacement and pass it, at least in the House. They, like you, are failures. No wonder why you gravitate towards the right.
For the record, I have held Democrats accountable. I spoken against the PPACA, the handling of Benghazi, President Obama’s handling of race relations, de-regulations signed by President Clinton and Hillary Clinton’s irresponsible handling of emails while Secretary of State, just to name a few.
You never did address my statement, “I still want to know, if this is such a good idea, why this was not done in 2004 when the Republicans had control of all 3 branches.”
I will see you there, buddy.
You’re an idiot and I have no reason to talk to you. I’ve given you every piece of information to educate you and yet you constantly say how the republicans are misleading people, and I’m a typical mislead republican.
Get a clue.
I don’t have time to debate with someone whose only method of debate is to blame republicans without data, and solely based on who is in office vs who voted how.
I’m talking to someone who acts like a child. You’re not worth my time. I’ll continue to post facts here in reply to your idiotic posts, to show what a fool you are and help others, but I’m not going to talk to you.
Just at you. Henceforth.
In other words, the media is overstating what republicans are saying, and what their goal was.
They did not misstep and pass a horrible plan for the sake of it. They passed what they could, for once, and are preparing for the backlash, but are also pointing out:
Hey Obama? Stop blocking us from passing good plans, the public doesn’t like some of these clauses!
And then the media STILL tries to make the republicans look bad. Your generation, and mine, are so easy to mislead it is insane.
Get on your game, and learn how to research outside of finding an article in a knee jerk reaction and saying “WOW! Just like I always thought republicans are extreme!”
That’s basically what you did, and I could do that if I was 5.
You have a duty as an American citizen. Fulfill it.
Let’s start with medicare part d. That was an expanded assistance program.
Modifying the health insurance market is not the main thing we need. You keep saying they didn’t do anything. By that you mean they didn’t over regulate the insurance market. What did they pass as an assistance program? Medicare part d, and you don’t count it. It’s magic in your mind, because you don’t like it. But you do count the ACA in your mind, which you also don’t like.
I went over the retirement plans proposed by Bush W. Great plans. Democrats blocked it.
And now you agree with the plans I mentioned from republicans, and you say NO MORE EXCUSES when for a fact, the democrats are why they weren’t passed!
How do you do these mental gymnastics? You just keep blaming republicans for everything, and you make sweeping dumb comments to do it.
Well, they were in control! Therefore they have no opposition?
Ignorant. And therefore we should blame ALL republicans? The whole party, for the 10% it would take to stop the bills which democrats blocked?
Why don’t we go one by one then, if you want to do this ignorance, and hold Harry Reid accountable.
If this is the ignorant game you want to play, then I will take those 10% of republicans by name, and say we should remove them, and the 90% of democrats, and we will remove them.
Then you will understand how to get your issues into office,
because right now, you are clueless on the matter.
Oh, even better, someone already did this for me.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/George_W__Bush_Health_Care.htm
Yup, looks like he tried to do nothing. Just because he was sopped does not mean he was a do nothing president. He also did pass I don’t know, one of the biggest expansions of medicare ever.
People like you are so stupid it is mind boggling.
Shortly after 9/11 Congress appropriated BILLIONS to compensate the families of victims. As I recall, this was done partly in exchange for their agreement to refrain from suing the airlines. Some of these families received millions, on top of life insurance payouts and, for many, survivor benefits from Work Comp and Social Security.
This is a very bad law with potentially adverse consequences, and the President was correct to veto it.