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Is Climate Change Causing Colder Weather and More Snow in Eastern U.S.?

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  • December 16, 2016 at 12:25 pm
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    • December 16, 2016 at 1:32 pm
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      You mean like a baby with a heart beat in the womb is not a baby? Liberalism is a mental disorder.

      • December 17, 2016 at 1:24 pm
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        No, that would be comparing apples to abortion. But, thanks for trying out, Jack.

        • December 19, 2016 at 2:59 pm
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          It’s related. You guys deny science all the time with regards to babies being babies on the topic of abortion.

          Back to your original comment though:

          Conservatives are not flat earthers. On this matter your side is over exaggerating effects, and when conservatives call you on it, you apply extreme labels to shut down conversation. That’s corrupt planet. It’s not ok, it shuts down debate.

          • December 19, 2016 at 6:05 pm
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            No, idiot, they debate when it is a baby, and most scientists deny what many religious zealots, particularly theocratic, extreme Catholics like yourself believe. For example, extreme Catholics believe it is life at conception, while science shows that less than about half of all fertilized eggs even become pregnancies. That religion has had a long tortured history with birth control, and believes using pills like the morning after pills that prevent a fertilizes egg from attaching is abortion. It’s not, according to scientists and common sense. Many have speculated, and I disagree, that this extreme position is one of the factors that led to their widespread molestation and sexual abuse problem that was covered up for decades.

            You are going against most science, as usual, and pretending anything supporting your extreme claim is established science, because you fundamentally dishonest to your core.

            You guys have gone from it’s not warming, too it is cyclically warming and now in the cooling phase, to it’s warming but not due to man, to it’s not that bad. The whole way you have lied and cited right winners paid to put forward this BS. That’s being extremely generous and ignoring the morons like Yogi and Agent. People like you believe the BS theory that it’s like a basket closes one place and opens in another due to shifting climate just shifting productivity where it changes. That’s wrong. It’s simplistic and stupid. In 35 years you will be saying that everybody knew it was bad, there was nothing we could do, and Democrats are actually at fault, because you are a partisan hack.

          • December 19, 2016 at 6:36 pm
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            “No, idiot, they debate when it is a baby, and most scientists deny what many religious zealots, particularly theocratic, extreme Catholics like yourself believe.”

            I’m not an extreme Catholic, and I might add, Catholics tend to be more divided on this than say, Protestants. Also, Catholics tend to vote more for democrats. Just saying. I will also point out: As soon as the sperm combines with the egg, it is a forming child. There is no debate to be had there. So to say it isn’t, is to be against science in the name of making something morally ok. The only reason to change the name of a forming baby, is to then say that it isn’t a baby. It is. End of story.

            “For example, extreme Catholics believe it is life at conception, while science shows that less than about half of all fertilized eggs even become pregnancies.”

            That doesn’t matter. At all. As soon as you break the sequence, of what would have been a developing baby, that means you have a 50% chance of having stopped a pregnancy of what? A human child.

            “That religion has had a long tortured history with birth control, and believes using pills like the morning after pills that prevent a fertilizes egg from attaching is abortion.”

            Depends on the religion.

            “It’s not, according to scientists and common sense.”

            According to scientists who have a long history of trying to shape moral code themselves. It is not one or the other, it is both. Try balance, Mr. Extreme.

            “Many have speculated, and I disagree, that this extreme position is one of the factors that led to their widespread molestation and sexual abuse problem that was covered up for decades. ”

            What in the world are you going on about? Then why did you bring it up?

            Do you want to know my opinion on the matter, as well as why?

            I already put it up. 1 billion abortions have been done world wide. 1 billion. The move to panic at having a baby does far more damage than having one. I would not have had my first two kids, and I may have subsequently waited too long to have many or any at all due to your type of movements.

            People should not be rushing to have abortions due to convenience. People should be considering the growth inside them a child, and should take that seriously. Not panic, knee jerk abortions, which is for a fact what we have now.

            I believe in the stability of people, and whatever is best for that. What you just said is idealistic, and is not based in science or how people will be affected. It is your way of saying well, this is a right, and that’s not a baby, and I don’t care about anything other than the right to abortion.

            It’s a very simplistic view. Mine isn’t. Try to grow up and get to my level.

          • December 19, 2016 at 6:45 pm
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            Also please note:

            I have just today told two conservatives where I find they are wrong.

            Three conservatives right now are debating each other in this post on conservative ideals. And mine were quite compassionate.

            It must rock your world to see that. You think we are all the same.

            However, I cannot recall the last time you liberals here disagreed. Not on any aspect, or called each other out. Care to enlighten me?

            You keep calling me extreme…Then why am I calling Agent wrong a lot lately? And why am I correcting him?

            And more importantly, why doesn’t he retaliate calling me a dolt and saying absurd things like you?

            I don’t have time for you kid. Go debate with someone who wants to deal with cliches and antics and one liners.

            Go ask people here whether they think you’ve made your points well against me. Ask the moderates. Not the liberals. See what they say.

          • December 19, 2016 at 7:14 pm
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            Do you have kids UW?

            Have you thought about settling down with a family and wife?

            By now, how old are you? You’ve been posting here almost as long as me.

            Are you still dating like you’re a teenager? Selfishly going from relationship to relationship, just based on what she can give you?

            When you get to 30 if you’re not winding down there’s a problem. And based on how long you’ve been here you have to be close man. You have to be close to 30 or above.

            I suspect you don’t have kids and are in the dating game, due to how hardcore you are on this abortion issue. People who have kids, well, demographics on that speak for themselves.

            Maybe they have their lives figured out, and know more than you rather than less?

            It is not the white male that causes people to turn against abortions, which by the way a larger percentage of black folks are against abortions themselves, they just support abortion for other reasons that I won’t go into.

            It is whether or not one has had kids that is the biggest determining factor into whether people are pro life.

            These aren’t uneducated hicks, and you couldn’t possibly label all married folks as such.

            Maybe you need to stop thinking you know more than everyone else.

            Maybe I used to be liberal, and I was in the crowds you were. Maybe, like my dad used to tell me, he didn’t just get birthed in a ministry with wife and child and job.

            Him and my mom used to go streaking in California, my Uncle is gay, he voted Carter, he was far left like many Catholics where he was from.

            Being called an extremist, really grinds my gears.

            You don’t know what you’re talking about, and you don’t know more than your educated past liberal peers.

            Maybe you should ask more about why my father changed, and why I did.

            Instead of telling me why I vote republican and what it means, and how I’m sexually assaulting women, blah blah blah.

          • December 19, 2016 at 7:25 pm
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            If it weren’t for my wife and kids, I would be liberal.

            Let’s just put it that way. No one converted me in the Catholic faith, I left it.

            My wife converted me. You go tell her how much religion is against her gender. And she was an agnostic.

            You go tell her how I was raised to be pro life and the extremist you call me. When I tell these stories she says if I had told her to abort our first child, she would have slapped me. Our first child was the first time she experienced love. Same here. I didn’t love my wife when we met, nor when she had or baby.

            She knew about my history, she was into crazy things too, and her kids changed her life, as well as God. God called her, and she pulled me along for the ride.

            I’ve only seen one person change as much as my father and that was my now wife. Of course, she’s made mistakes, but she has done amazing.

            She’s why I changed, along with my kids, and again, she was not raised Catholic. I didn’t like Catholicism, I didn’t like the priests, I related it to my father’s weaknesses, I was ok with abortion, I was involved in liberal crowds, as I said before, I had sex with a shemale at one point, and I’ve had my share of threesomes, I didn’t want kids, and then, when I was closing in on 30 I met my now wife. You want to know how?

            Like my dad said, I wasn’t just born in the monastery.

            I met her from a dating website, and because of the body you say I don’t and didn’t have, she met up with me because she wanted sex. My first child was from one of the only times we had vaginal sex, and she was on the depo shot. I joke about it all the time with my wife calling this child the buttsex baby. TMI I know. But let me tell you, I was the complete non Catholic and so was my wife who offered me threesomes with her sister. Go talk to my wife on why I changed, she’s the one who changed first. It happened quickly after we had our first child.

            Go tell her how bigoted I was against the gay folks I hung out with, along with my uncle. Or maybe about how much I judged people who weren’t Christian, which would be the bulk of everyone I hung out with. You’re a clueless moron, and you label me based on these idiotic concepts of what you believe conservatives must be.

            I’m an educated conservative, who became one for the right reasons, and it’s why I don’t argue like the other conservatives here.

          • December 20, 2016 at 2:30 am
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            “I’m not an extreme Catholic”

            Yes you are, but you cannot ever acknowledge you are extreme, you just call it “right”. Saying gay people should not be allowed to marry because it is bad for them is an extreme position. Saying laws should be based in God is an extreme position.

            “Also, Catholics tend to vote more for democrats”

            I don’t care, you are the only one mentioning party in almost every single post, because all you care about is Team Red V Team Blue.

            “That doesn’t matter. At all. As soon as you break the sequence, of what would have been a developing baby, that means you have a 50% chance of having stopped a pregnancy of what? A human child.”

            No, it means it had a 50% chance of attaching, and then less of being born. But, it is not at that point a child, as you claim. It’s a zygote the size of your brain, or a pinhead, and not capable of life outside the womb. It has no legs, arms, heart, or brain. That is not a child, and unless you use your EXTREME definition, which science does not agree with, which was the point, you are simply, as always, wrong.

            “According to scientists who have a long history of trying to shape moral code themselves.”

            And you prove my point; no science that is not exactly what you believe, and believed before looking at it is valid. Any science against what All Knowing Bob approves of is agenda-driven, and dismissed. Scientists’ opinion is invalid, because they are trying to shape the moral code, so the moderate Catholic Church’s doctrine should be followed. They NEVER try to shape moral code.

            God you are a joke. 100% intellectually broke, and completely morally bankrupt. Stick to calling for the torture of innocents, another great story you must think all Christians believe in, even though you claim it was “misinterpreted” in the Bible. Moron.

            “Not on any aspect, or called each other out. Care to enlighten me?”

            Not true, but largely we have to spend our time debating what is and is not reality with retards like you, Agent, and Yogi, who variously think Obama was not born in the US, think the climate isn’t getting warmer, think unemployment is higher now than when Obama took over, think we have high inflation, and on and on. You cannot really debate finer points on things within your own ideology when you have moronic, lying, morons living in a fantasy world and engaging in almost non-stop hate speech.

            Also, again, as always, even though you only care about policy and not ideology, you cannot avoid going Team Red. Hypocrite, liar, idiot.

          • December 20, 2016 at 2:46 am
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            “Are you still dating like you’re a teenager? Selfishly going from relationship to relationship, just based on what she can give you?”

            Again, you cannot guess accurately Bob. You are TERRIBLE at it, because you are a fucking imbecile.

            “Maybe they have their lives figured out, and know more than you rather than less?”

            We’ve discussed this when you tried to say I was a failure based on income, or your guess of my income, which was of course wrong, and I let you know I was making $100k by the time I was 20.

            Anybody who claims they have their life “figured out” at any age is an idiot who has stopped thinking, or more likely in your case never started.

            But fuck you for again opining and judging another person’s life based on your own ignorant guesses. I thought the Bible said something about not judging other?

            Get help Bob, you are an absolute lunatic, and your hypocrisy screams severe mental illness and reasoning problems.

            That’s my opinion, but hey, I don’t have any rapes under my belt yet, so maybe if that ever happens I will change my mind.

          • December 21, 2016 at 2:38 pm
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            https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=9&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi216ePg4bRAhUBSpQKHacDBE4QtwIITDAI&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DZ_Ab6l0q784&usg=AFQjCNEhgVHKDXeMLANY7tOV6jx6_wSB8g&sig2=cZqXdynzC-n0vlZ23jBtCQ

            I didn’t read your garbage, I don’t have time for stupidity and actual bigotry that you spew.

            I know you think that Atheists and smart people don’t have reasons to become Catholic, but you might want to look up some who do. The above is an example. I realize she goes way off topic quite a bit, and doesn’t appear to be quite as smart as your more intelligent atheist, but, she’s still a human that changed her mind. I don’t care about why people who are sheep are democrats or republicans, liberal or conservative, I care about a couple things:

            The politicians who are
            The educated people who are. Of which there are educated people on both (actually all, but you would only understand left or right wouldn’t you?) sides. You however, are not one of them. Which is why I don’t care about your arguments. You’re not a moderate, or someone who changed from conservatism and thus understands it. You’re a complete idiot who has unrealistic options regarding the right and anything associated with the right, bigoted ones.

            The above link is someone who changed their mind Go seek out others. I love watching these about gay people who became Catholic, transgender people who don’t like feminism, I like to see the truly odd people in society who don’t exactly meet preconceived notions. When you label what being conservative and being a Catholic means, you do a disservice to individuals.

            I still watch youtubers who are atheists. I like them, and several of them are libertarian left, while others are libertarian right. You don’t know my political spectrum. At all.

            I love the opinions of the libertarian left. I consider them wrong about abortion, but these are smart people. Dave Rubin. Look him up! He’s definitely a libertarian left. He’s also Gay.

            One of the atheists I respect actually really really doesn’t like religion, I’m forgetting his name on youtube…But he does a lot of posts and is probably even a democrat.

            You don’t understand the people you’re commenting regarding. I am not extreme. You’re talking to a past democrat, in a history of democrat family, that changed with my father and myself.

            You’re talking to an ex agnostic who lives in a liberal state, was raised by an ex democrat, associated with liberals, was liberal, and follows agnostics and atheists political debates because he loves them.

            But I’m just soooo extreme and need to seek help. Ya don’t know who or what you’re talking about. You’re far too partisan.

          • December 21, 2016 at 4:57 pm
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            Also, just so you know, not all the world thinks like the U.S.

            Canada themselves, inclusive of liberals that I’m sure you like if you know of them (Trudeau) has said the benefits of a lower corporate tax rate.

            https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-05-11/trudeau-says-he-would-consider-changes-to-canada-corporate-tax

            It’s just one issue I’ve talked about that you’ve called me an idiot regarding.

            I’m sooooo stupid! And so is Trump for bringing down this rate instead of engaging in class warfare to keep it high, against the benefit of jobs.

          • December 21, 2016 at 4:58 pm
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            And if you didn’t gather:

            And so must be Trudeau.

            Unlike with us, the parties in Canada can shift, change, and be eliminated quite quickly. I admire this about Canada. They are more than just a two party system, which is why Trudeau’s comments on the corporate tax rate hold such weight.

            Do you know much about the political parties over the last 30 years in Canada? It’s quite a story of change.

          • December 22, 2016 at 4:45 pm
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            Please people stop egging Bob on all the time. He is obviously …. It’s worrisome and people shouldn’t feed it while he is like this.

          • December 23, 2016 at 10:55 am
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            “Every time I debate you, you miss colossal aspects and resort to absurd debate tactics.”

            You bitch incessantly about “debate tactics.” Nobody cares, just like you don’t get to decide facts, when insults are allowed, when a person is out of line, or get to be lenient, debate tactics are something you have no control over. Get over it, ignoramus. Then, your debate tactic is going irrelevant:

            “If it weren’t for my wife and kids, I would be liberal.” Don’t care, but that’s stupid. So if you weren’t married with kids you wouldn’t support banning people from the country based on their religion, or torturing innocents, or deny all economic research? That’s dumb.

            Bob, I don’t give a shit about your wife, dad, family, etc., they have no bearing on the facts.

            “I didn’t read your garbage, I don’t have time for stupidity and actual bigotry that you spew.”

            You have time, but lack the intellectual ability to do so, which is why you clearly don’t read nor do you comprehend the sources I provide. You have routinely stated things not in them, e.g. recently whining for me to admit that the Cook paper said scientists didn’t overwhelmingly think climate change would be catastrophic. As I noted, when I rightly called you an idiot, the paper did not address this or even ask them about it. You went crazy for months about a claim I never made, about a paper you never read, and still think you “got me”. You are a pseudo-intellectual, extremist clown.

            “I met her from a dating website, and because of the body you say I don’t and didn’t have,[…]”

            I surely don’t say this, because it’s incomprehensible, as much of your writing is, and makes absolutely no sense. Also, again, I don’t give a shit about your wife, or your personal life unless it is relevant, which it’s not here.

            “Go tell her how bigoted I was against the gay folks I hung out with, along with my uncle. Or maybe about how much I judged people who weren’t Christian, which would be the bulk of everyone I hung out with.”

            No, again, you are a moron. I don’t give a shit about your past. I would cite to her the examples now, like when you join the less than about 40% of people who are against gay marriage, and base it on YOUR religion, which you want to impose on them, because you think it is best for them. That is an extremist position, and almost the definition of bigoted, idiot.

            “I’m an educated conservative”

            No, you aren’t, saying that doesn’t make it true. You deny almost all standard economics. You deny standard US history. You deny most science and stupidly claim climate science can be ignored because it’s like a basket that just shifts to another area when one area isn’t usable anymore. Stupid. You aren’t well-informed or knowledgeable about anything that isn’t on right-wing blogs.

            “I know you think that Atheists and smart people don’t have reasons to become Catholic, but you might want to look up some who do. The above is an example. I realize she goes way off topic quite a bit, and doesn’t appear to be quite as smart as your more intelligent atheist”

            As usual, you are projecting, and creating an argument against things I never said, which you will now treat as Truth for the next 3 months. Idiot.

            “ You don’t know my political spectrum. At all.”

            Aside from guessing your positions on almost everything, guessing your job, guessing your age, guessing your college experience, and even guessing you had multiple rape accusations in your past. You, on the other hand have guessed incorrectly about me in almost every scenario, but still pat yourself on the back. You are a dolt, and have no attachment to reality. I now your “political spectrum” almost to a tee. Also, moron, a political spectrum is something you are placed on in order to gauge where you stand in relation to others, and to general ideas; your political ideology is what places you on the political spectrum. But, as such an educated person you probably knew that and omitted the half of your sentence that made it coherent. Just kidding, obviously.

            ““I’m sooooo stupid! And so is Trump for bringing down this rate instead of engaging in class warfare to keep it high, against the benefit of jobs.”

            Yes, you are. Trump is also proposing a 5% tariff on all imports-down from his lie of 45% in the election—something almost every legitimate economist is wholeheartedly against. This will increase prices, and will not bring back many jobs. The ones they bring back are manufacturing, which are not the types of jobs we should be trying to bring back. The corporate tax rate will only benefit a few people, and the “class warfare” you whine about and stupidly think is being done away with will devastate the lower and middle classes. Eliminating the funding for Medicare will kill people, and significantly increase the out of pocket costs for the poorest in the nation. That is also class warfare, moron. As always, you refuse to acknowledge the real tax rate, and claim victory on it, dismissing everything you don’t agree with before you even read it.

          • December 23, 2016 at 11:02 am
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            “The math on this one right now? Is easy. If 100 corporations all have 5 billion in assets, they can simply purchase 500 billion in carbon credits.”

            This is a good example of your ignorance, and as always, EXTREME views on economics. First, dolt, Assets are not all liquid. You are counting all their buildings, autos, intellectual property rights, which are assets as purely liquid expendable funds. So right off the bat to meet your fantastical scenario the companies would have to liquidate everything, and spend it all on carbon credits, or more likely you are clueless about the bare basics. Retarded.

            Pay more/use less. Yes, that’s exactly the point, forcing companies to account for the externalities they create and pass on to others, which you don’t’ believe in, but are backed by science. We can ignore that, because your “math” is idiotic, as I’ve proven above.

            “If we have a set limit, all they have to do is buy as much as they can afford, drive up the costs”

            “False equivalency, and what’s your point?”

            “I’m quoting one specific law in how it gives control.”

            No, idiot, which I will show, and you aren’t “quoting” a law, you are using your math to analyze what you think the result will be, there is a huge difference, as you probably know as an educated person, so again, I will assume you left off the rest of the sentence, and earlier omitted the quote you reference, since there is no quotation in your sentence. Super educated.

            Ok, so if they don’t use their entire “assets” they are more realistically participating in a market. To use these in the US, or a global market, you would have to buy them. Your argument is that a few companies can control the ENTIRE market. You think the US market for credits would become an oligopoly. This is absurd. If a few companies can afford to do this in a market as competitive as this would be, where in essence every company in the country or even most in the world are competing, these companies could control every other market in the US. A few companies would be controlling an asset with a relatively fixed supply and almost universal demand. A rough example of this would be real estate. Building is expensive and relatively slow, and every company and person demands the good. There obviously isn’t a monopoly or oligopoly on real estate in the US, because demand is too high for companies to control the whole market. You are in a fantasy, don’t know or believe in economics 101, and are totally clueless, which is why I call you a dolt every post.

            If the country said they would never change the amount of the credits and put them out to only select companies your delusional, incorrect model could happen for a little while, but not forever. You are simply wrong. Also, your “math” doesn’t even come close to proving even a little of what you claim you were proving. It’s moronic.

            “Like for example when I proved that the Iraq war was included in the budget deficits but under different names, and then I even went over those by item, and you said that I misinterpreted your concept.”

            I’ve asked over and over, retard, WHERE IN THE 2004 BUDGET (or any year during Bush’s presidency) IS THE SPENDING FOR THE IRAQ WAR THAT OCCURRED DURING OBAMA’S TERM? You don’t seem to get the point, and can ONLY focus on one thing which is why I routinely ask you, and you routinely refuse to answer, if you are on the spectrum. I believe you are.

            “ and I then gave the link that showed conviction was the right word. “

            Will you admit that I used conviction properly when it comes to college convictions mandated over 50.01%”

            No, lying idiot. You said they were “convicted” as in criminally, which is why you use the 50%+ definition that has legal repercussions. You were using it in the legal definition, which is stated as: “declare (someone) to be guilty of a criminal offense by the verdict of a jury or the decision of a judge in a court of law.” You could use the secondary one which is usually, “to impress with a sense of guilt,” but that’s not how you used it. If you were using it that way, and as usual writing incoherently I would have been wrong. Idiot. You said they were “convicted” and then used legal terms and cried that it was like a civil burden of evidence with criminal consequences. That’s simply not true. Alzo, this is why I think you are on the spectrum: you get obsessed with irrelevant things and cannot move on. Of course you incorrectly attribute what you think are autistic traits to me, because I’ve asked you, and you refuse to answer. I guessed you had been accused of rape, and you have been multiple times – only 8% of claims are false according to the FBI-and now I guess you are on the spectrum, which I believe 100%,even if it’s not been diagnosed. But you think I know nothing about your “polutical spectrum”.

            “ I’m sick of you labeling people solely because they don’t arrive at your preconceived conclusion.”

            We are going in circles, you get stuck in one thing and focus on nothing else, and admittedly don’t read posts before replying. Pseudo-intellectual clown. Again, say why you think all research on minimum wage, all research on climate change, research on evolution, video evidence of Trump talking, and on and on should be disregarded. It sure the fuck isn’t because you are smart.

            “Or when you used the Cook et al study, and we debated, and you finally conceded that maybe it wasn’t 97% of climatologists that support man made catastrophic global warming, but even then it is the majority is what you said.”

            Dolt. That study showed that 97% of published work at that time supported climate change. There may be fewer, but that isn’t what that study showed, and not what you argued until I was done. After I destroyed you your argument changed to ‘they say it’s way less that is catastrophic.’ You STILL make this claim. The article didn’t address that, dolt. Also, you provided a blog post with articles “refuting” it. Almost all of them relied on one study that was exposed as having MASSIVE MATH ERRORS, aka “Bob Math”. You refused to accept this and changed your argument. I NEVER conceded the Cook paper did not say 97%, and I won’t, because that it what it says. You, Yogi, and other morons cite another paper saying only 67%, which is a poll that specifically searched out and included skeptics and had a low response rate, indicating a biased sample. Even then it was OVERWHELMINGLY in support of man made climate change, idiot.

            “Also, there are plenty of liberals who deny the consensus spread by democrats, like oh say more than half of the climatologists out there? The majority of conservatives don’t believe man made climate change is an existential threat. And by the way: Idiots don’t use terminology like I just did.”

            Actually, idiot, they do exclusively. It’s incomprehensible BS. Do you disagree climate change is a consensus by scientists, or do you think it is just negative that Democrats spread word of the consensus, overwhelming scientific belief?

            Where is the Bush budget $ for the Iraq War during Obama’s term?

            Do you admit Cook et al didn’t look at catastrophe?

            Aside from the freedom to practice religion, which other Amendments to the Constitution do you want eliminated in order to discriminate? The Thirteenth?

            If you think the carbon market could be an oligopoly or monopolized which other markets do you think government should regulate or shut down for the same reason? If none, why not? You have no coherent answer to this, because you are in unintelligent, insane, ranting, constantly melting down, extremist dolt.

          • December 27, 2016 at 12:06 pm
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            Get owned Bob. Whoops coincidentally time th declare victory & leave so you can keep blabbing the same bullshit. #fraud #clueless #bigot

          • December 27, 2016 at 1:34 pm
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            Actu:

            You keep saying that get owned thing. It shows how partisan you are.

            I don’t have time for the rest of this. Also, I don’t walk off declaring I’ve won, I just refuse to go forever with bigoted idiots.

            Knock it off kiddo.

          • December 27, 2016 at 1:36 pm
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            “Please people stop egging Bob on all the time. He is obviously …. It’s worrisome and people shouldn’t feed it while he is like this.”

            I’m obviously …

            Of course. Feed what exactly and how? Please elaborate on your …

            What I do is try to speak in a way that relates to people, shows who I am, and also has many facts.

            UW and ACTU have been very cruel here, and I’m tired of the two of them.

            Other than that, I simply prove people wrong and engage people on issues.

        • December 22, 2016 at 12:06 pm
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          censorship

          No, that would be comparing apples to abortion. But, thanks for trying out, Jack.

    • December 16, 2016 at 1:41 pm
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      Funny Captain. I bet you don’t understand how the Scientific Method works as most liberals do not. And if you do understand how it works, please explain to us “flat-earthers” how the Scientific Method brought “consensus” to the discussion on man-made climate change. Or just go ahead and continue to make your witless one liners.

      • December 19, 2016 at 12:33 am
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        >please explain to us “flat-earthers” how the Scientific Method brought “consensus” to the discussion on man-made climate change.

        By doing research, coming to a conclusion, and then publishing it in journals so others could do research and confirm or refute the evidence, and then building on that research, and doing more research over and over for decades, until there was so much research confirming and supporting the conclusion that climate change was man made that 97% of all climate scientists agreed. But Captain Planet is wrong about flat-earthers

        • December 19, 2016 at 9:41 am
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          You omitted the word ‘biased’ before the words ‘research’ and ‘conclusion’.

          What ‘men’ were around for climate change that occurred over the course of the billions of years life of the planet Earth?

          Perhaps it was farting cows, or ‘pre-cow creatures’ that caused climate change in those prior millions of years? If so, shouldn’t we be seeking ways to stop passing gas? What about imposing ‘gas taxes’ on baked beans, over-ripe fruit, and other foods that cause ‘gas’? I’ll gladly pay those taxes in lieu of losing the icebergs on which I often travel southward for better fish foraging.

        • December 19, 2016 at 2:33 pm
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          And you couldn’t be any more wrong regarding ‘97% of all climate scientists agree’, if you used 100% !! So why not use 100% ? Dead wrong is dead wrong no matter how you spin it. I’m guessing that your ‘facts’, ‘talking points’ and other drivel come directly from the Hillary Clinton Presidential campaign play book ! LOL !

        • December 19, 2016 at 3:03 pm
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          A conclusion that the left is misrepresenting in order to justify actions that they want to take which will actually cause cronyism.

          For example: Lower tax rates for green energy companies, which they can benefit from personally.

          Or spending arrangements that they justify as morally good, and can label the right who block it as morally bad, that aren’t in the best interest of the nation (Solyandra) or for example carbon tax credits, which would allow big money to be able to purchase and manipulate the system the most, even though the democrats say they wouldn’t be able to, simple math says the big corps can afford it, and purchase enough to make smaller businesses cost more.

          You know, solutions like these that the left keeps on trying to pass while calling the right climate change deniers akin to being flat earthers.

          What you’re saying is allowing for this group to take complete control.

          There will always be stupidity on either side of the aisle in terms of people not knowing the facts, but this does not allow you to label that side and then assume that justifies your own. It doesn’t. And certainly implying that the other side has not come to a sound conclusion has it’s own problems, in both morality and arrogance, as well as limiting your own research.

          Get on top of that ACTU.

          • December 19, 2016 at 6:09 pm
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            “simple math says the big corps can afford it, and purchase enough to make smaller businesses cost more”

            Provide the math in a paragraph or two. It will be easy, because it’s simple math abs you make this claim all the time.

            Also, dolt, why can the largest companies control this market completely, but can’t control any of the other markets you call the as solutions to every problem?

            Clueless, delusional, fantastical.

            Bring back your whining rants about light bulbs, idiot, at least they were funny.

          • December 19, 2016 at 6:42 pm
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            “Provide the math in a paragraph or two. It will be easy, because it’s simple math abs you make this claim all the time.”

            Provide me with one time my simple math has been wrong compared to the conclusion? I know what you will bring up, but in that circumstance it was a typo that didn’t matter. I still proved that the profit margins of corporations were too low to give anything close to a large pay increase.

            The math on this one right now? Is easy. if 100 corporations all have 5 billion in assets, they can simply purchase 500 billion in carbon credits. If we have a set limit, all they have to do is buy as much as they can afford, drive up the costs (because obviously the costs would have to prohibit use, that’s the only way a carbon tax can work) and thus other firms would either have to:

            A: Pay more
            B: Use less.

            Using a system of buying the ability to produce pollution will logically result in the people with the most money having the most power. It’s simple math.

            “Also, dolt, why can the largest companies control this market completely, but can’t control any of the other markets you call the as solutions to every problem?”

            False equivalency, and what’s your point? I’m quoting one specific law in how it gives control. You’re suggesting that you need to thus regulate them because they can control the economy, and the fact is: This is only true if regulations allow it. The absence of a regulation does not create a control method. A regulation which allows power though, is a different story. Regulation is not the solution. It is the means to control.

            “Clueless, delusional, fantastical.”

            I’ve proven you wrong more than I should ever have to, and you still arrogantly call me clueless? What does that make you?

            “Bring back your whining rants about light bulbs, idiot, at least they were funny.”

            Don’t even know what you’re talking about. I’m going to stay on topic. Insane mother fucker.

          • December 20, 2016 at 2:38 am
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            “Provide me with one time my simple math has been wrong compared to the conclusion? ”

            “I know what you will bring up, but in that circumstance it was a typo that didn’t matter. ”

            No, you lying POS. If it was a typo it would have been off by a decimal point, or a comma, not by a magnitude of thousands. You are an unhinged, pathalogical liar.

            Also, “Show me an example where I was off, not counting the one I know you will say, because it doesn’t count.” LOL, stupid beyond belief. It seems impossible to be this unaware and stupid.

            “I still proved that the profit margins of corporations were too low to give anything close to a large pay increase.”

            Yes, if you up the outcome by literally multiplying it by thousands, and ignore the fact that it doesn’t work at all for people below average, etc. it works. But, if you operate in reality, it doesn’t work at all, and anybody claiming otherwise is an outright idiot who should be mocked, cajoled, and ripped on until they admit they were wrong. If they are a pathalogical liar, and have a mental disorder where they can only focus on one thing at a time, and will never admit they were wrong, even when it’s not debatable, they should be ripped on permanently, especially if they have extremist beliefs and are a POS.

            “I’ve proven you wrong more than I should ever have to, and you still arrogantly call me clueless?”

            True, but again, only if you ignore the vast preponderance of climate scientists, almost all the published economic work on minimum wage, ignore you math being off by thousands of times, ignore almost all the economic research on the housing crash and the CRA (I’ve provided this maybe a dozen times and you have NEVER replied, you are a joke), all the research on inflation, and on and on, but as usual, to do that you have to be a moron, and detached from reality.

            You are a joke Bob, get a new hobby, because you suck at this one.

          • December 21, 2016 at 6:41 pm
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            Every time I debate you it’s easy. Every time I debate you, you miss colossal aspects and resort to absurd debate tactics.

            I already made my point, and I refuse to read what you wrote after that. We went back and forth for over two weeks, TWO WEEKS UW in which you didn’t acknowledge you were wrong on something I proved for certain you were, you constantly went off topic, in one post you said I should watch out, because maybe people will think I’m extreme enough to get killed, and you constantly start each post with DOLT MORON etc.

            I have given you ample chances. I don’t need to debate you indefinitely, not an idiot who brings me nothing in terms of debate.

            I’m not going to debate you. I’m going to point out where you’re wrong, and then I’m leaving it at that.

            I don’t have time for a colossal fucktard. What I mean by that, and my definition, is someone who parades around like everyone is wrong but them, and clearly has mental issues, stability issues, life issues, religious issues, bigotry issues, and thinks I don’t want to touch.

            I debate facts. I don’t give therapy, and that’s what you need.

          • December 21, 2016 at 6:45 pm
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            Like for example when I proved that the Iraq war was included in the budget deficits but under different names, and then I even went over those by item, and you said that I misinterpreted your concept.

            Or when you said I didn’t know how to talk, UW, and I then gave the link that showed conviction was the right word. By default this means not only was I using the right word, you did not fact check what I put up, in order to determine if I was right or wrong. You assumed I was wrong. This is your issue kid. You don’t fact check, you don’t research, and you say everyone else doesn’t. Anyone who does real research sees this.

            You DO NOT know what you’re talking about, and you ACTUALLY ARE so mentally ill that you miss when I’m using the right word.

            Will you admit that I used conviction properly when it comes to college convictions mandated over 50.01%? You CANNOT keep calling me a dolt while I reference state code and regulations, and my interpretation thereof.

            It is called being smart. I’m sick of you labeling people solely because they don’t arrive at your preconceived conclusion.

            It is insanity. If you want to debate me, we can maybe have a debate if you apologize and state you were wrong on those issues, and say you will refrain from calling me a dolt (sometimes, other times, if I’m obviously wrong, it is needed). Does that sound fair to you?

            Or is the only fair thing that you get to bend me over, @#%@#% me in the @#%@ pull my hair, and beat me into oblivion? You psychotic moron?

          • December 21, 2016 at 7:17 pm
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            Or when you used the Cook et al study, and we debated, and you finally conceded that maybe it wasn’t 97% of climatologists that support man made catastrophic global warming, but even then it is the majority is what you said.

            I did not misinterpret you when you said that. You neglected to know your own study. Your own study, that you had not fully reviewed, said it was under 50%, and it was easy to go to that spot to figure it out.

            These are very specific things you did, unlike when you say you have proven me wrong, when you have nothing to quote.

          • December 21, 2016 at 7:20 pm
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            And what this shows is you get tunnel vision based on wanting someone to be trash, and you block everything else out.

            You asked me where I am on the autism spectrum. My reply was where are you for a reason. I have relatives on the autism spectrum. This tunnel vision I’m talking about is real with such people and I can tell when I see it. Autistic people can also be VERY smart in math though, so I don’t see what you have against such people. This relative can kick my ass in coding, it just takes him longer.

            You strike me as either autistic yourself, or as mentally deranged, if something other than autism is getting you to be this difficult to get off of a one track way of thinking, it is a psychotic nature causing it which is causing you to be extremely nutty.

          • December 28, 2016 at 2:16 pm
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            “You strike me as either autistic yourself, or as mentally deranged, if something other than autism is getting you to be this difficult to get off of a one track way of thinking,”

            You don’t have one original thought or bone in your body. This is precisely what I have been saying to you for like 2 months, all you can do is repeat what you hear. I was asking because if you siffered from this I was going to leave your alone, but that was before you went over the top exposing yourself as a POS. “One track thinking” is not what you think it is. I repeat myself when you refuse to reply, but make the same asininw statements repeatedly.

            “This tunnel vision I’m talking about is real with such people and I can tell when I see it.”

            Like constantly saying you won a debate about Iraq War funding and debt and refusing for approaching 25 comments to answer one time where the spending for 2010 in Iraq is in any Bush budget? Clueless. Idiot. Where is it, King of the Dolts?

        • December 19, 2016 at 5:30 pm
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          I see you omitted the word ‘biased’ before the words ‘research’ and ‘conclusion’.

          What ‘men’ were around for climate change that occurred over the course of the billions of years life of the planet Earth?

          Perhaps it was farting cows, or ‘pre-cow creatures’ that caused climate change in those prior millions of years? If so, shouldn’t we be seeking ways to stop passing gas? What about imposing ‘gas taxes’ on baked beans, over-ripe fruit, and other foods that cause ‘gas’? I’ll gladly pay those taxes in lieu of losing the icebergs on which I often travel southward for better fish foraging.

          • December 19, 2016 at 6:14 pm
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            DePolar, under current conditions, your Ice berg just got a lot bigger. The seas may not rise, the coast may not be flooded, the Zika mosquito will die. Cold is a good thing it seems. Global Cooling is also not man’s fault.

    • December 16, 2016 at 2:52 pm
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      Trevor’s Axiom….

    • December 17, 2016 at 12:31 pm
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      censorship

      We need some science denial around here. Bring it conservative flat-earthers!

      • December 17, 2016 at 12:57 pm
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        ‘Flat-earther’ is incongruous with ‘conservative’. Your lame Straw Man arguments being exposed will mean George Soros’ minions won’t be sending you any more checks for trolling work on insurance websites.

        • December 17, 2016 at 1:26 pm
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          Yogi, not all conservatives are flat-earther climate science denying dinosaurs. But, every flat-earther I come into contact with is a conservative climate science denying dinosaur.

          • December 19, 2016 at 2:40 pm
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            There is absolutely no doubt that the planet’s climate is changing. What is in doubt is the role that man plays in that change. There is simply not enough data to have a valid answer for that, but the “it’s man’s fault” crowd is so eager to embrace this idea that nothing else matters except to start name calling and (attempt) shaming of anyone who dare question the likes of Al Gore, inventor of the internet and climate scientologist extraordinaire.
            Me? I think man has contributed to it, but I don’t think that we are the major cause. Our planet’s climate has been changing radially since it’s initial cool down ……….like 80 bazzilion years ago. Maybe the Russians are behind all of this ?

        • December 19, 2016 at 12:34 am
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          You cannot even shoot down a statement that is easy to shoot down without using a conspiracy theory. What a joke.

          • December 19, 2016 at 9:43 am
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            An iceberg on which I once commuted to find a better place to forage for fish fell off the side of the earth. I was lucky to abandon it before it did, and swam to safety.

          • December 19, 2016 at 5:31 pm
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            reposted: An iceberg on which I once commuted to find a better place to forage for fish fell off the side of the earth. I was lucky to abandon it before it did, and swam to safety.

        • December 19, 2016 at 3:35 pm
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          censorship

          Yogi, not all conservatives are flat-earther climate science denying dinosaurs. But, every flat-earther I come into contact with is a conservative climate science denying dinosaur.

          • December 21, 2016 at 12:46 pm
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            Oh really, how many flat earth believers have you found?

            Also, there are plenty of liberals who deny the consensus spread by democrats, like oh say more than half of the climatologists out there? The majority of conservatives don’t believe man made climate change is an existential threat. And by the way: Idiots don’t use terminology like I just did.

          • December 22, 2016 at 12:06 pm
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            right wing censorship

            Yogi, not all conservatives are flat-earther climate science denying dinosaurs. But, every flat-earther I come into contact with is a conservative climate science denying dinosaur.

  • December 16, 2016 at 1:46 pm
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    CapTroll PlaneTroll is a George Sore-ass funded interneTroll. He lives on this website, and uses BOTs to censor conservatives. Ignore him and Soros’ minions will stop sending him checks.

    • December 19, 2016 at 5:31 pm
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      Breaking News: CapTroll PlaneTroll is a George Sore-ass funded interneTroll. He lives on this website, and uses BOTs to censor conservatives. Ignore him and Soros’ minions will stop sending him checks.

  • December 16, 2016 at 1:52 pm
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    So what is it…Global Warming or Climate Change…? Started as “Global Warming” until it was proven there was really no increase in temperatures…then changed to “Climate Change” so as to support the cause for additional dollars to keep the climate business in business. Bottom line is this…the earth’s systems fluctuate, they have since the planet was formed. Additionally, meteorologists can’t predict the weather a couple days ahead of time much less predict many years into the future.
    Global Warming or Climate Change….whatever you want to call it, has become one of the biggest shams in human history….

    • December 16, 2016 at 2:52 pm
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      The now infamous Al Gore said the polar caps would be gone by 2014 due to Global Warming. Unfortunately for his agenda, it did not and will not happen. In fact, with the cold coming down as it is now, the caps will be thicker than ever.

      • December 16, 2016 at 4:36 pm
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        Yeah, those ice caps are doing juuuust fine (sarcasm). You keep believing that nonsense…

        The Arctic has continued to warm at twice the rate of the planet as a whole, and 2016 reinforced that trend. The annual average temperature (from October 2015 to September 2016) was 3.5° Fahrenheit (2°Celsius) above the 1981-2010 average, the highest in records that go back to 1900. Since that time, the Arctic has warmed 6.3° Fahrenheit (3.5° Celsius).

        Those warm temperatures contributed to extremely low sea ice coverage, which has been on a downward spiral for several decades. The end-of-summer minimum is now half of what it was just three decades ago.

        Cooler and cloudier summer weather helped dampen melt for much of the season, but the summer minimum still tied 2007 as the second-lowest on record. All 10 of the lowest sea ice extents on record have happened since 2005.

        But the ice isn’t just decreasing in area, it is also thinning, with a larger proportion of the ice cap made up of the youngest, thinnest ice. In March 2016, multi-year ice (or ice that has survived at least one melt season) made up only 22 percent of Arctic sea ice, compared to 45 percent in 1985.

        • December 16, 2016 at 8:07 pm
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          Polar temperature swings of 3.5 degrees above a 20 year average are not abnormal. Ever hear of ‘variance’?

        • December 21, 2016 at 12:53 pm
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          Ok, I know how to sniff out a lie, and I did a little googling to find a source that says what you say. I found one showing that from 1900 to present, that there is under a Celsius of difference, and a 3.5 would be huge. Enormous huge, so I’m calling B.S. or an error in the data, as in different points of reference for temperatures in the present compared to the past.

          But you don’t know how to fact check these things, so I’m going to need to see your link to do it for you.

          Again, I’m getting reeeeaaallllly sick of having to do this because you’re a pompous ass on it, yet you call Agent as such.

          Give me your link. Now.

          • December 21, 2016 at 1:44 pm
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            I am a pompous ass? What a great debate tactic – insulting me (sarcasm). I did not call Agent a pompous ass, I said he is a liar, a hypocrite, and not a man of his word. Anyway….

            http://www.livescience.com/57206-arctic-report-card-grim-evaluation.html

            https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/climate-trends-continue-to-break-records

          • December 21, 2016 at 2:06 pm
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            That wasn’t the point of my debate, ass. It was an insult woven within. But you just commented on it, to make it a point of contention. Don’t play with someone like me in asinine ways that you know you can’t handle.

            I don’t care what you did and didn’t call Agent. Got it? Keep on point with me. I don’t have time to readdress every insult I throw at you. I said it with the proper intention. Don’t like it, too bad. Every now and again when you act like a pompous ass you’re going to be called one.

            I’ll look this over now.

          • December 21, 2016 at 2:17 pm
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            Your first link does not reference the data. It gives another link to it. You need to learn how to do better research. This proves you didn’t really look into it.

            When I quote a link, it has all the necessary data within, so you can prove it wrong if you want.

            Also, the second link is not something I commented regarding. So, keep on point. I asked for your source regarding the arctic ice temperatures. If you want to debate with agent regarding global warming, or myself, do it when I’m actually debating that. Ok?

            So the actual source is the annual Arctic Report Card, which comes from the NOAA. A government program. You can see why I might have issues with this. If hired by the government to prove a point, the government will always manipulate the numbers. Interesting to note, I cannot find out with their tables if their temperature data is using the same locations of temperature monitors, which is doubtful. It is very possible they have used an average with points that have evolved, at which point, all you have to do is say have 10 points of reference in 1900, all in cold places, then have 20 in places that pull up the average in 1940, then install another 20 in other areas that pull up the average, then in 2000 add funding for another 50 because we have a crises that needs to be monitored, and then pool the average of 100 whereas you only initially had 10 reference points. See my point? It will take a lot more research for me to prove this one way or the other, and it’s the type of research I know you’re not doing.

            So you’re not any better than agent on this one.

            It’s getting really annoying to see the low level of research you do, making definitive comments on a topic like this, while claiming others are doing the same.

            It will take me upwards of a full day of research on this, yes, a total of 8 hours, and I’m going to have to find the time over the next few weeks to do this.

            I have only decided to take on this topic because of how often it comes up. I’m not doing it for you. I’m doing it for everyone who needs the info.

            I explain this for you so you know how I weigh my time, and how I do my research, and so you take yours a little more seriously Confused. I’m getting ticked off at how amateur you are.

          • December 21, 2016 at 2:25 pm
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            “I don’t care what you did and didn’t call Agent. Got it?”

            Then you shouldn’t have said

            “you’re a pompous ass on it, yet you call Agent as such.”

          • December 21, 2016 at 2:29 pm
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            If you insult me, I have every right to defend myself and talk about it, unless you’re trying to bully me into accepting your insults and not defending myself.

            “I don’t have time to readdress every insult I throw at you.”

            Uh, well, how about you just don’t insult me?

            There’d be no insult to (re)address if you didn’t insult me to begin with!

          • December 21, 2016 at 2:43 pm
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            “Confused says:

            “I don’t care what you did and didn’t call Agent. Got it?”

            Then you shouldn’t have said

            “you’re a pompous ass on it, yet you call Agent as such.”

            The context is not what you called him, the context is that you say that Agent doesn’t know what he’s talking about, yet you yourself don’t.

            You are a pompous ass on it (regarding this topic) and yet you call agent as such (from my perception of being written, and you know what I meant, as such means you say agent says things that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about, which is being a pompous ass)

            The framework here is not specifically what you say, it’s what you constantly do in terms of arguments with agent.

            Now you’re as usual focusing on phrasing to detract from the point. Do you or do you not consider that Agent doesn’t know what he’s talking about regarding climate change?

            And if you don’t know what you’re talking about, you shouldn’t be telling him that he doesn’t as if you’re better? Ergo, being a pompous ass?

            Do better research kid, and don’t try to catch me in phrasing catch 22’s. I don’t have time for it. Got it?

          • December 21, 2016 at 2:47 pm
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            “If you insult me, I have every right to defend myself and talk about it, unless you’re trying to bully me into accepting your insults and not defending myself.”

            You did not defend yourself. You tried to say my argument was about you being an ass. It wasn’t. That was a way of shaping the argument in your favor instead of tackling the argument. If anything, that is what a bully does. Not what I did. If this is your accusation of bullying, you don’t know what bullying is. Quit being a 5 year old screaming bully because someone said you’re an idiot, and then addressed a topic you were an idiot and a pompous ass regarding. You specifically have been consistently saying agent knows nothing, which to me, is a form of bullying. You don’t like being stopped do you?

            “I don’t have time to readdress every insult I throw at you.”

            “Uh, well, how about you just don’t insult me?”

            No. A pompous ass deserves to be called as such, especially when you constantly insult agent. Don’t want to be called it? Don’t be it, and stop acting like you know things just to insult agent. M’kay?

            “There’d be no insult to (re)address if you didn’t insult me to begin with!”

            I don’t need to readdress insults as a part of an argument to begin with that aren’t related to the debate. Address the debate, unless your ego is too big and the insult is all that matters to you, is that it? Little brat?

            You’re rapidly not worth the effort. This is boring me, and is pathetic.

          • December 21, 2016 at 2:50 pm
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            “It’s getting really annoying to see the low level of research you do, making definitive comments on a topic like this, while claiming others are doing the same.”

            I also reiterated what my issue was in another post.

            I basically have to talk to you walking on eggshells because you can’t keep on topic.

            You constantly basically say “you insulted me!”

            And then try to derail,

            Or question my phrasing.

            It’s insane confused. If you know my topic, then debate it. I don’t go on these tangents with you, I just call you wrong. Think you can handle that?

          • December 21, 2016 at 3:17 pm
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            I can address the debate just fine. My issue comes when said debate contains insults (I’m a brat & an ass) and false statements (I haven’t called Agent ANY names in a very long time!), which I then feel the need to respond to because I’m not going to let you push me around.

            If you want to debate with me, we BOTH need to stay on topic and not insult each other. Can we agree on that? After all, when was the last time I insulted you? It’s been quite a while, right? I hoped we moved past that, but maybe I was wrong. Can we agree to try and debate facts and not weave in personal attacks and digs at the other person when trying to make our points?

            If you can reply to this comment without insulting me again, at least I know we’re on the right track.

            So back to the debate: I understand you don’t trust data from NOAA, but I do. The report card is peer-reviewed – I don’t know how else to determine if a scientific study is valid aside from releasing all the data and letting others in the field (not just those paid by the government – but anyone) review & comment on it.

            It’s not like NOAA said “this is what we found and it’s right, you have to take our word for it” – they basically said “this is what we found – take a look at the data and comment on the validity of our method & conclusion” before they published the report.

            Since a peer-reviewed NOAA report isn’t good for you, what source(s) are acceptable & reliable to you so we can compare findings?

            I could consider trusting your source if their data was made public and was properly peer-reviewed. If it’s just one person and their data, I will likely not deem it valid if it hasn’t gone through any level of scrutiny besides the person who wrote it and their editor/publisher.

          • December 21, 2016 at 4:05 pm
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            “I can address the debate just fine. My issue comes when said debate contains insults (I’m a brat & an ass) and false statements (I haven’t called Agent ANY names in a very long time!), which I then feel the need to respond to because I’m not going to let you push me around.”

            Deserved insults, for one, for two, you have been following agent saying he doesn’t back up his facts for ages. I don’t care about the name you use, I care about what you do. The words don’t matter, the what you do matters. You still have problems with this because you focus on the words. You have openly declared agent goes against science, and act as if your facts are amazing. Well, from what I see, they aren’t. You’re in the same level of information as he is. And you clearly think you’re in a level beyond it. Am I incorrect that you believe you research your details more than him? Well, I see you both post, and I can tell you: You don’t.

            “If you want to debate with me, we BOTH need to stay on topic and not insult each other. Can we agree on that?”

            Insulting you isn’t going off topic unless you make it as such. I’m not going to agree to not insult and create consequence for things you do here that aren’t acceptable.

            “After all, when was the last time I insulted you? It’s been quite a while, right? I hoped we moved past that, but maybe I was wrong.”

            All I hear here, is someone talking PC blah blah. I don’t care. Get to the point.

            “Can we agree to try and debate facts and not weave in personal attacks and digs at the other person when trying to make our points?”

            No. Already addressed above, you already hit on this now more than once. Get back to the point.

            “If you can reply to this comment without insulting me again, at least I know we’re on the right track.”

            That wouldn’t show anything with regards to being on track.

            “So back to the debate: I understand you don’t trust data from NOAA, but I do.”

            I said that it causes me to raise red flags. Not that I don’t trust the data. The data is always right. When you have a group though that is in league with proving something true, as we have seen the government is doing with climate change, you have to be suspect. I said I will review to see the data points and how they came to their conclusion. The fact that you believe them because they are peer reviewed is a problem. You’re not believing them because of data. You might say the same as me, but I haven’t formed a conclusion on this yet, and I have said as such. The reason I used to distrust it, is a valid one. The reason you used to trust it, is not.

            “The report card is peer-reviewed – I don’t know how else to determine if a scientific study is valid aside from releasing all the data and letting others in the field (not just those paid by the government – but anyone) review & comment on it.”

            This is because you don’t know how to research. What you do is look it over and see if there are errors that would make the conclusion wrong. You don’t have to know the exact math, just how they reached the conclusion. If the variables changed like I put above, their conclusion could not possibly be based on the proper data. This would then be a guess based on data available. Which is exactly why presenting it as a definite fact, for which calling it something you shouldn’t based policy on that could result in cronyism, is the wiser move to do (Agent).

            “It’s not like NOAA said “this is what we found and it’s right, you have to take our word for it” – they basically said “this is what we found – take a look at the data and comment on the validity of our method & conclusion” before they published the report.”

            Irrelevant.

            “Since a peer-reviewed NOAA report isn’t good for you, what source(s) are acceptable & reliable to you so we can compare findings?”

            No. You are now trying to shape this into me not accepting reports and science, like you claim of Agent. I will draw my conclusion soon enough. If this doesn’t show it’s work with data in a satisfying way, I will say this study does not prove anything.

            “I could consider trusting your source if their data was made public and was properly peer-reviewed. If it’s just one person and their data, I will likely not deem it valid if it hasn’t gone through any level of scrutiny besides the person who wrote it and their editor/publisher.”

            Again the who you know crap. If the data is right, it should be trusted. There are several business men who have made a point of disproving such things. Some of which UW used your same method just now to disprove. That it wasn’t peer reviewed.

            Let me show you something.

            Recently a man decided to quit a tech firm because Trump, someone who was extreme chose their leader to be one of his staff on an issue. Could you feasibly see, that a liberal scientist, may discredit someone or refuse to do a peer review based on their own bias? I can. And not only could I feasibly see it, Ben Shapiro comments on where they have, all the time. The scientific field is no longer trust worthy. And if you don’t realize that, we have a problem. So the element that matters is the math, the data, and the reference points. Nothing else.

          • December 21, 2016 at 4:19 pm
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            I just posted some of my findings, more will come later.

            I will compare what others say as well to find my reference points of what could be wrong with the data to have a starting point so I don’t have to shotgun and review it all.

            This should show you just how much precautions and evidence I use in my research…

            I hope it makes it evident how much more you need to research.

          • December 21, 2016 at 4:30 pm
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            In other words my links are holding up the post. It should show up by tomorrow.

          • December 22, 2016 at 1:29 pm
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            Blast it. I don’t think they are going to approve my link.

            Ok, I’ll summarize:

            I found a link which shows some of the data from the site you’re talking about. Key words on some. It lists the year by deviation etc. It still doesn’t list the temperature locations of monitoring. I would have to guess these have expanded over time. Which could have a substantial impact on the temps.

            And what this link showed, is that differing years, showing a list of total years, have different temps for the averages for the same year. So 2015, showing 1950, for example, might have a different temp in 2011 for 1950. This means one of two things:

            They are either:

            Lying. Which I find to be somewhat unlikely. I don’t believe people lie on these issues.

            Changing the method of measurement.

            Now this one can be innocent, but then to present the data as if it has consistently been going up, what they mean is as they have collected more data and changed data gathering methods it seems the temperatures are higher. But it also means the data monitoring has not been the same type for any prolonged period of time, and thus these numbers cannot just be combined into one chart. One system of measurement needs to be done for a prolonged period of time.

            As I said in another post: As big of a temp difference as you are talking about would be huge. HUGE. So huge, the polar ice caps would melt and the earth would flood in our lifetimes. I’m not exaggerating. Just extrapolate the temps on the chart. I’m not going to just sit back and buy that, while I see some evidence that these temps are not the same year to year in the reports.

            Now I’ll have to do more research.

          • December 23, 2016 at 1:32 pm
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            Give me your link. Now.

          • December 27, 2016 at 12:10 pm
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            Haha GIVE ME YOUR LIIIIIIINK NOOOOOW!

            Whoops, you did, well my link, which I won’t provide supports me.

            NOBODY takes your seriously anymore Bob. Just the math, unless mine is way, way off. Links, links links, but not mine. #dumbass #comedian

          • December 27, 2016 at 1:39 pm
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            “Haha GIVE ME YOUR LIIIIIIINK NOOOOOW!

            Whoops, you did, well my link, which I won’t provide supports me.

            NOBODY takes your seriously anymore Bob. Just the math, unless mine is way, way off. Links, links links, but not mine. #dumbass #comedian”

            ACTU I give more links than anyone here. It’s not my fault they didn’t approve the link, though it makes sense they didn’t.

            The page is more of a blog, with other links on it they would perceive as a threat.

            Confused, I’m sorry, you’ll have to look this one up. Look up something akin to annual report card NOAA issues or problems. Find some links, you’ll find the guy I’m talking about, he not only compares the charts, but he actually has a link to their numbers showing that they changed which ones they used.

            And for you ACTU, what you did actually is bullying.

          • December 27, 2016 at 1:39 pm
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            Confused,

            If they didn’t approve it the first time they won’t the second. That’s why I said you’ll have to look this up.

            I was not doing it to reject to do what you said. I was saying you’ll have to because I literally don’t think I can get it posted.

          • December 27, 2016 at 2:15 pm
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            “Find some links, you’ll find the guy I’m talking about”

            THE GUY you speak of. Care to tell me his name? How can I search for THE GUY without knowing what name to search?

            also, if your link isn’t being approved, just post it broken up a bit. watch, i’ll show you.

            http://www.google.com <<-link IJ has to approve

            can be posted as
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            google
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            That format won't require IJ review/approval and you can post the link. So I will reiterate and quote you again —

            Give me your link. Now.

          • December 27, 2016 at 2:36 pm
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            Confused,

            You’re going to listen up, buddy boy.

            When I tell a smart ass, who says he’s proven the science on something that the government wants to do measures of control regarding, he needs to show his work. With sources, the prove beyond a shadow of a doubt.

            To prove something, a NOW is ordered. Because the burden of proof on a smart ass who thinks he’s proven something is higher than on someone who says a concept for example that proves his proof wrong.

            When I say for example that the numbers for years appear to have changed, all you have to do, is find the data.

            You don’t really even need MY link, and being a smart ass in return doesn’t do anything. You deserved my NOW because precisely of you thinking you proved science theory as true and you did not.

            I’ll return shortly with the data YOU SHOULD HAVE GONE OVER smart ass, and is why I said NOW.

            But you’re balancing the scales aren’t you buddy boy? It’s the same isn’t it? That’s what you think anyway, and I was nice in my first post reply but I’m not now.

            You were out of line and deserved recourse. Get over it and stop throwing it back at me.

          • December 27, 2016 at 2:42 pm
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            Ok, I was going through the numbers on the NOAA, but would take far too long to extract that.

            I’ll post that link separately so YOU can do the math. You’re asking me to do things YOU DIDN’T DO. You just believed someone else’s conclusion, and you expect I should just follow that, and that you’re so much smarter than everyone else. You’re an idiot. Just as much as agent and I’m tired of these debates with fools.

            You haven’t proven global warming any more than Agent has disproved it, and this is a verifiable fact.

            So, here’e briebart’s break down of it, which I’m sure will be approved. This proves the NOAA is misleading with regards to Texas.

            www.

            breitbart.

            com

            /texas/2016/10/18/report-noaa-fraudulently-pushing-texas-warming-claim/

          • December 27, 2016 at 2:44 pm
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            http://arctic.noaa.gov/Report-Card/Report-Card-Archive

            And here is the archive so you can line up the numbers yourself.

            Forewarning, when you do finally find the link which is there somewhere I’m sure, it is THOUSANDS of numbers.

            I am not exaggerating. And the fact that they are picking and choosing which ones to weigh, which is likely based on which areas they feel are a better reflection (like I said above) we see the method of measurement is changing year to year as to which numbers to use.

          • December 27, 2016 at 2:58 pm
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            And for you ACTU:

            I have not contradicted myself here. I’m getting really sick of you. STAY OUT OF MY CONVERSATIONS.

            All you’re going to get from me is either being ignored, or insults.

            Confused is at least wrong and naive. You’re wrong and immoral. One of the two I’m willing to talk with. The other I’m only willing to talk AT. Because I only care about proving them wrong and giving contrary info.

            Wrong and immoral people will always call the people who call them wrong, cowards and wrong.

            But I don’t have time to keep going back and forth with you. I only have time to give so much data.

            This issue with Confused will take me dozens of hours to fully break down.

            Of which, me being hesitant in doing makes sense. Confused however jumping to conclusions does not.

            It shows naive behavior, which you claim us conservatives all have.

            I am clearly not naive, and I am clearly someone who uses sources and data a lot. More than anyone here.

            And those conclusions are often rooted in laws and regulations, as I quoted with bank charter laws and how they mingle with the CRA. That took me upwards of 5 years of research on the matter. You can’t fake that type of research.

            I had to look at these laws and find out if there were restrictions based on a CRA rating in terms of buying, selling, and merging. There were. And I knew there would be. Sometimes though I don’t have an educated guess to make as to where things are wrong or right. Those things take a lot more research and are harder.

            But I know for a fact you’re not doing this kind of thinking on laws.

            When I explain how I figured out these aspects of CRA, you have nothing even remotely similar to give me.

            Why don’t you run down how you found out something was bad that you think is bad, in legal or regulatory terms.

            Run me through the process, outside of “get owned”.

            Think you can?

            I really don’t think you can.

            Show me. You want me to agree with you? Show me. I guarantee you I will if you make a good point.

          • December 27, 2016 at 3:26 pm
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            I listened, but I still have issues.

            Breitbart cites research by the Real Climate Science blog. Okay – so I looked for the RCS’s research, but they only display the same two graphs Breitbart did. N

            either Breitbart nor RCS linked to the original data they’re saying was adjusted. Okay – so I looked for the original 2011 NOAA report, but the only report I found online is the most recent version.

            So Breitbart says RCS has the data to show it, and RCS is saying “the original 2011 NOAA report shows different readings for Texas than the newest NOAA report” but there’s no original NOAA report to support that argument.

            Semi-rhetorical questions: Why wouldn’t Breitbart/RCS provide ACTUAL CITATIONS in their blog posts? Why not attach the original NOAA report to their post to support their initial argument that TX temps were changed? They’re saying the temps were adjusted, but they gave no proof or link or report to confirm their starting point is accurately based on the original 2011 NOAA report.

            So then I looked at the NOAA link you said I should use to compare the change in the data. Sorry bob, but that link is 100% useless for the Breitbart/RCS research, data and results.

            Your link is solely NOAA’s ARCTIC report card. Breitbart/RCS talks solely about Texas. I can’t compare the “original” data in your link to the data Brietbart/RCS references because Texas is (correctly) nowhere to be found in NOAA’s Arctic report.

            Can you please post a link to the original 2011 NOAA report on Texas that shows where Breitbart/RCS got their data since I could only find the recent report? I want to review it and compare the data as you suggested, and I can’t because it’s nowhere to be found on any of the sites or links you posted, and I could only find the newest NOAA report when I searched for it.

          • December 27, 2016 at 3:56 pm
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            Confused,

            Before I start here I want to apologize. You’ve been actually way more cordial than ACTU and UW. I’m too focused on them and they are getting to me too much. I shouldn’t let that influence my behavior. You’re also right. I shouldn’t be insulting you. Let’s get into what you said which I think was all fair.

            “I listened, but I still have issues.

            Breitbart cites research by the Real Climate Science blog. Okay – so I looked for the RCS’s research, but they only display the same two graphs Breitbart did. Neither Breitbart nor RCS linked to the original data they’re saying was adjusted. Okay – so I looked for the original 2011 NOAA report, but the only report I found online is the most recent version.”

            That blog guy has another link with the links, but he links them poorly and only one works, and I’m not 100% sure it is the right one. You’re right. It’s hard to find.

            “So Breitbart says RCS has the data to show it, and RCS is saying “the original 2011 NOAA report shows different readings for Texas than the newest NOAA report” but there’s no original NOAA report to support that argument.”

            Same as above. The NOAA burries their information so much it’s hard to find the numbers on their own site. This blog did source it in the past, and the links are now broken. This makes me think the NOAA changed the links intentionally. This is why I said it’s literally thousands of numbers. I cannot find this link on the NOAA which is why I simply gave you the archives. It is taking way too much work which concerns me.

            “Semi-rhetorical questions: Why wouldn’t Breitbart/RCS provide ACTUAL CITATIONS in their blog posts?”

            Same as above. Are you having an easy time finding it? Also the link I mentioned before is broken. I imagine they don’t want to source quote something that will be unable to be clicked within a few months.

            “Why not attach the original NOAA report to their post to support their initial argument that TX temps were changed?”

            Same question to liberal news stations. It takes a lot of work and many don’t do it. Ergo why I don’t trust them and I won’t allow a study to prove something without seeing numbers. However, in this scenario, I don’t believe too much is needed here to disprove this considering slightly more than half of all climatologists already disagree with other conclusions that the government is spinning out there with similarly funded and misleading groups.

            “They’re saying the temps were adjusted, but they gave no proof or link or report to confirm their starting point is accurately based on the original 2011 NOAA report.”

            Again, we can both try to find the link and numbers. Whoever finds it first, can post it. Though forewarning I’m extremely busy and will likely forget to post.

            “So then I looked at the NOAA link you said I should use to compare the change in the data. Sorry bob, but that link is 100% useless for the Breitbart/RCS research, data and results.”

            The link I said to compare is the archive. It has all their studies in there somewhere. It isn’t useless because if the data is in there somewhere (it’s hard to find apparently) then if you click on 2011, and compare to 2016, and find the matching years that the original source comments on, you can input them and create your own chart. It should look like the chart on that page.

            However, as I said, I don’t like doing this. It’s a lot of work.

            I also don’t think that someone should be acting like they have done this when they haven’t.

            You haven’t.
            Agent hasn’t.

            And the government and media at large has a habit of misleading people.

            So you tell me why I should believe it, and why Agent should?

            Why is he wrong for questioning it, more than people are for blindly following it? You don’t know the answers to these questions.

            And that is enough to show a problem here.

            Your link is solely NOAA’s ARCTIC report card. Breitbart/RCS talks solely about Texas. I can’t compare the “original” data in your link to the data Brietbart/RCS references because Texas is (correctly) nowhere to be found in NOAA’s Arctic report.

            Can you please post a link to the original 2011 NOAA report on Texas that shows where Breitbart/RCS got their data since I could only find the recent report? I want to review it and compare the data as you suggested, and I can’t because it’s nowhere to be found on any of the sites or links you posted, and I could only find the newest NOAA report when I searched for it.

          • December 27, 2016 at 4:01 pm
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            For the tail end of your comment you already know my answer based on the rest of the replies.

            That’s why I put nothing further.

            The answer is I can’t. The data is too hard to find and I don’t have it at the moment. I already said I had what seemed to be indications that these numbers had been manipulated.

            As for ACTU’s likely reply here:

            At least when I post something I put a disclaimer. I have seen UW’s work for example and proven the actual data wrong, or tried to rather.

            In this scenario we can’t prove Confused data’s correct, and we can’t prove it wrong, because neither of us can source quote the data and compare.

            The issue here is not me ACTU.

            Just to put a disclaimer.

            I would gladly do a study on this if it were more available. As it turns out, it’s not.

            If you want to provide me with the data and have it, I have said the same to confused, we just need to compare the years and insert them in a graph. It’s annoying, but doable.

            Or, we could just believe the temps on the graph and leave it at that.

          • December 27, 2016 at 5:24 pm
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            “You’re going to listen up, buddy boy.
            When I tell a smart ass, who says he’s proven the science on something that the government wants to do measures of control regarding, he needs to show his work. With sources, the prove beyond a shadow of a doubt.

            To prove something, a NOW is ordered[…]”

            Condescending ass with delusions of grandeu, buddy boy. Please be lenient with us, kiddo. The first one is incomprehensible gibberish.

            “When I say for example that the numbers for years appear to have changed, all you have to do, is find the data.”

            When you say but refuse to provide the evidence, name of the dataset, or name of the author.

            “You don’t really even need MY link,”

            Or any other info verifying the conspiracy theory, Bob had deckared it to be fact. Just the math, even without any numbers. Who takes this clown seriously?

            You also state in here that you don’t believe this science, after saying foe months you aren’t a science denier. What an odd coincidence. No wonder you hated college, which at this point I think is 50/50 you even finished, the are against fantasy there.

            Bob, speaking of your imaginary data and Bob Math, you coincidentally disappeared after I provided data showing productivity in the US had not dropped. Comment?

            Ignore my destruction of your idiotic Bob Math and your ignorance about assets and carbon taxes, as always, delusional, lying, dolt.

          • December 28, 2016 at 9:57 am
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            You asked me two questions, bob: (1) So you tell me why I should believe it, and why Agent should? (2) Why is he wrong for questioning it, more than people are for blindly following it?

            (1) Breitbart and Real Climate Science MUST have the original NOAA data somewhere or else their graphs are a bunch of made up numbers. They could’ve saved the original NOAA report to their computer and linked it to their blog, or they could’ve shared their Excel tables used to create the graphs. They did neither.

            They simply posted their conclusion without giving us any data to review or double-check. That’s a major red flag in my opinion. They say the numbers changed, but where’s their evidence to support their argument? At least NOAA has data to review and analyze.

            I’m more apt to believe the people that say “here’s our data, check out our methods, assumptions and conclusions” over the guys that say “just trust me that the graph is right – you don’t need to review anything – just trust us it’s right.”

            (2) Agent is wrong because he says things that aren’t based in reality. “…the caps will be thicker than ever.” And where did this nugget come from? It’s not from anyone who measures this stuff. It’s not from Brietbart or RCS. That conclusion is not found anywhere when I looked online.

            He says things like that with no source. When I ask for his source he refuses to provide it and tells me to google it, and when I google it and say I can’t find it and ask him for the source again, he says I don’t know how to google properly and that’s the end of the conversation until he makes the same claim again and the cycle repeats.

            When Agent posts that stuff, refuses to support his claims or tell us where he gets his information, and the only things I can find online clearly refute his argument, he is wrong. He isn’t wrong for questioning the data (which he has NEVER done, by the way) – he’s wrong for making unsubstantiated claims, not being able to back them up, then insulting people who question him and ask for his evidence.

          • December 28, 2016 at 12:46 pm
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            “At least NOAA has data to review and analyze. ”

            No. They didn’t. I told you to go through the years yourself and you yourself said you couldn’t find the data when I gave you the archive from the NOAA.

            Being more inclined to believe someone who gives their data regardless, does not work unless you review the data and it looks correct. Also, with regards to a concept like this, you should be inclined to question it, even if you see evidence that points toward it. Over half of all scientists already disagree that man made global warming is a major threat. Why don’t you put credence into that as to the amount this is being mislead by the media and politicians at large, who then fund the NOAA?

            (“2) Agent is wrong because he says things that aren’t based in reality. “…

            Bullcrap. Sorry to go mean again, but you just contradicted yourself talking about how the data is and is not available. Which is it? You’re being mislead by source content. You’re equal to him here, and I won’t accept you calling yourself superior to another human being when you’re not.

            “the caps will be thicker than ever.”

            Hyperbole for effect to show how much they are lying. Which they are. And your reaction is the problem here more than his comment. People like you who run around crying wolf to little comments like these, are the bigger issue. As you appear to know things source quoting, but you clearly have not reviewed them. Most people that see agent will think either he looked into it himself and made his own conclusion that he conveys poorly, or he is an idiot. He is not changing the mind of the masses. But, people like you who are low information on the topic, appearing not to be, not reviewing their own data, are actually a threat. That’s why I make a point of showing counter data.

            “And where did this nugget come from? It’s not from anyone who measures this stuff. It’s not from Brietbart or RCS. That conclusion is not found anywhere when I looked online.”

            Then take the comment for what it is. This is the issue most people have with Trump as well. It’s a serious problem, not with Trump and Agent, but with the general population. It’s also why I like people like Agent and Trump.

            “He says things like that with no source.”

            You often make comments about what you find ridiculous without sources as well. Saying the ice caps will be fine and as thick as ever is not something he needs to back up. I see others do it on both sides of the spectrum.

            “When I ask for his source he refuses to provide it and tells me to google it, and when I google it and say I can’t find it and ask him for the source again, he says I don’t know how to google properly and that’s the end of the conversation until he makes the same claim again and the cycle repeats.”

            This is because you have been a smart ass on every comment he says. See the Crayons comment, that you took literally instead of hyperbole, over exaggeration, and for what it was. Just like the press hangs over Trump’s “She’s been fighting ISIS her entire adult life!” Hillary – Check the fact checkers!!” Who is the bigger idiot in that scenario? The one who doesn’t know how people criticize someone, or the person who asks for a comment clearly designed for effect to be fact checked? Seriously Confused, this is a huge problem with the younger generation. You are way over thinking simple comments, and then you basically call people idiots saying to source quote just to call them stupid. It’s not ok, while you call yourself better than them. Then in come people like me. We call you stupid, and source quote, mainly to get you to knock it off, and then people say we are the same, through false equivalency. My overall goal is to show that conservatives have reasons to believe what people like agent does, because many conservatives talk like him. It isn’t an education issue. It’s a lingual and speech style issue combined with communication.

            “When Agent posts that stuff, refuses to support his claims or tell us where he gets his information, and the only things I can find online clearly refute his argument, he is wrong. He isn’t wrong for questioning the data (which he has NEVER done, by the way) – he’s wrong for making unsubstantiated claims, not being able to back them up, then insulting people who question him and ask for his evidence.”

            That last part is exactly what you do. Plus, you have now repeated yourself far too many times in this post confused.

            At least agent gets to his point with a few lines. At which point you are putting far too much into a small concept and phrasing.

          • December 28, 2016 at 12:55 pm
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            UW:

            Again, not reading your crap. I have read enough from you to see four huge errors in the last few months, of which you went far over the top insulting me on, one of which was a small issue and you still haven’t admitted you were wrong, but you constantly called me insults regarding using the word conviction for college convictions of rape for 50.01% for expulsion. It was the right word, and you went insane over the terminology without debating the concept.

            You refuse to debate in any way that is conducive to debate, without trying to annihilate the right on the political spectrum, and unlike me, it isn’t due to facts, it’s due to you believing they are bigoted ignorant racists.

            You were wrong about Iraq spending being in the annual deficits, an easy issue to look up, you were wrong about over half of climatologists agreeing that man made global warming could be catastrophic, you didn’t break down your own science link that proved that, and you’ve shown you do not review your topics but you are more than willing to call me an idiot, constantly.

            I don’t have time for you.

            You are the type I mentioned above. Naive and wrong can be talked with. Immoral and wrong cannot.

            I’ll continue proving your posts wrong, but I won’t continue when you start belligerently saying “Everything” and “ANY” thing I say is wrong and refuse to concede any point, beating your chest like a monkey and then proceeding to fling more poo.

            Get lost kid.

          • December 28, 2016 at 2:08 pm
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            Also, Confused,

            I already gave you the link to the archives. The numbers should be in there somewhere. You said you couldn’t find it there. Neither can I.

            If they don’t have the numbers in the archive, my big question to you is: Why? You claimed they have their data available, but they don’t. As both of us are finding.

            If the link for the archive of data doesn’t contain the data, for an issue like this, why are you more concerned with Briebart?

            I would be more concerned with a government funded research agency not giving their data on their own archive links.

          • December 28, 2016 at 2:09 pm
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            http://arctic.noaa.gov/Report-Card/Report-Card-Archive

            That’s the archive for their annual report cards.

          • December 28, 2016 at 2:49 pm
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            “Again, not reading your crap. I have read enough from you to see four huge errors in the last few months, of which you went far over the top insulting me on, one of which was a small issue and you still haven’t admitted you were wrong, but you constantly called me insults regarding using the word conviction for college convictions of rape for 50.01% for expulsion.”

            I just came as close as I will to admitting possible error on the rape claims you made about people being convicted and punished in a legal sense, using the word in a legal manner, which you did wrong. But, you don’t read my comments, or any comments by almost anybody who disagrees with you, so you don’t’ know that, and you are too uneducated to comprehend what you do read.

            “You were wrong about Iraq spending being in the annual deficits, an easy issue to look up,”

            For seemingly the 100th time: where in the 2010, or 2011, etc. budgets is the debt/spending accounted for in a Bush budget? You are outraged over this, so SURELY it must be easy to find since you claim it as fact. We won’t even start with Bush increasing borrowing from the Social Security trust fund largely in order to do this.

            “you were wrong about over half of climatologists agreeing that man made global warming could be catastrophic”

            Again, illiterate, lying, fuck, I linked to an article by Cook et al which said 97% of all published work by climate scientists affirmed it was man made. You disputed that, and showed an alternative study which I showed had been disproven as having Bob Math, and was wrong. You then lied and said the links you provided were independent studies even though I showed every single one I looked into relied on your BS study that was debunked. You then switched your argument to catastrophe, which I never commented on. Actu then had their way with you. Fucking moron.

            Here is the link, idiot. Quote where I said they claimed it was catastrophic. You can’t, lying POS.

            http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2016/06/02/410761.htm/?comments

            “ Naive and wrong can be talked with. Immoral and wrong cannot.”

            You lie and insult constantly. You have been accused of rape, which I believe you did, multiple times. You accept the torture of innocent people (another moment when you revealed your insanity by saying you never said this, despite writing about 20 pages on it with Ron), you want religious tests to allow people into the country, and want fewer rights for people based on your religion and what you feel is best for them, and you think African Americans “train” their kids like subhuman animals to disobey police. You are an immoral, lying, sinning, racist, piece of garbage. You are literally insane, and deny saying things that are direct quotes as well as denying video evidence. You have no place to judge. The only reason I am rude to you is because of your behavior, which I started when you were supporting Trump but whining about PC being the biggest problem in the country yet insulting people left and right and being racist. Of course, you freaked out immediately, because that is what whining hypocrites do. You have threatened me with physical violence multiple times, as well as saying multiple times if the left kept pushing their policies there would be a civil war. You are an immoral, legitimate insane person. Your delusions of grandeur are disturbing.

            You won’t reply to me with anything other than insults and claims of ignoring me, because you cannot debate me. All you can do is engage in limited debate, with your debate “tactics” you whine about incessantly, while everybody must provide unlimited sources you never read and/or don’t comprehend, while you freak out and say it is their fault when you claim you have a source but won’t provide it and they don’t accept it offhand because King Bob declared it be be true. 100% insane person incapable of actual debate.

            Provides Confused the link you claimed to have, admit you were wrong and don’t have it, or forever stfu about sources. This lack of self awareness is disturbing. Do you really not see how nobody can take you seriously when you do this after screaming for links constantly, and then dismissing them if they are not what you determined beforehand, or screaming nonstop about “just the math” and then switching to theory matters most once i expose you not knowing basic statistics and having calculations off by magnitudes of thousands? I did go against your math above, but you can’t respomd, like all lying cowards. Even Agent and Yogi might realize what you are soon at this rate.

            Where is the Iraq Spending in Bush’s budgets?

            Where is the quote where I said the Cook et al study addressed climate scientists belief on it being catastrophic?

            It should be easy, I provided the page.

            What a coincidence, you are too outraged to respond, just like with your math off by a magnitude of thousands, or my CRA studies, or my math on your bs 401k plan, or my math on your idiotic claim about the vast majority of people being over the median income, or my minimum wage studies, or my data about productivity in the US. Funny the timing with all these, fraud.

          • December 28, 2016 at 3:07 pm
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            Still not reading your posts UW.

            Every now and again I concede to people here. I just told confused he was right and backed off after he called me for saying too many insults.

            I told people Planet was right about botting and down voting his likes.

            I told Libby she was right regarding a comment I didn’t think Bush W made.

            I have said where I agree with democrats:

            Expanding stem cell research.
            Opt out 401k contributions.
            Kennedy’s tax reform.

            I have said where I disagree with republican candidates:

            Legal parameters for jail.
            Texas governor being against an HPV vaccine for moral reasoning.
            Reagan’s cold war – Reagan’s tax rates

            Every point we disagree on that you beat your chest saying you’ve proven, you haven’t.

            Right now I’m sure you are telling me that I’m a buffoon that ignores facts, while you yourself cannot prove the alternate point, nor can Confused.

            It’s on you to make your points, and you haven’t.

            Here is where you’ve insulted me regarding:

            How to handle immigration policy in a way that ensures we are letting in the best people to the nation. We have a limited amount. But you want to scream: Racism.

            How to handle ISIS.

            How to handle Immigration of terrorists from the war torn Middle East. I would say a temporary ban on any Muslims from the Middle East is perfectly fair, and safe. As I said, we have a limited amount we can allow per year. Shifting it to other applicants to avoid war torn nations is not bad. But you just get pissy and say how your social science is better than my social science, because of some people’s feelings on the matter. There is a best path to take UW. It’s just numbers. We can accept immigrants who need just as much help, who don’t have risks. And we should. They can fix their own problems without involving us. Regardless of that, my reasoning is pure. It is not bigoted.

            Tax policy: Something you also cannot prove.

            Minimum Wage Policy: Something that common sense dictates an across the board policy would affect start ups and small businesses. And Liberals have refused to accept a minimum wage policy that only applies based on size for example. Do you not believe that if I started my own business tomorrow, it would be much harder to start with $12 an hour vs $6? It’s math.

            How best to handle health insurance. This like it or not is a difference of opinion. And if my guy doesn’t work, I already said I’ll vote democrat. You haven’t said that from the other side. This is not extreme and is reasonable. I will even accept your commentary if the plan doesn’t work. However, as it is now you are ignoring CBO reports.

            Our differences here are rather minor, but you make them extreme enough to cause war, and to beat the drums of war and claim everyone is hate filled.

            We have a difference of opinion on the how, and I am not ignorant on it, or bigoted on it, or whatever else.

          • December 28, 2016 at 3:15 pm
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            I’m also genuinely curious:

            If I change my mind in the 2020 election and vote democrat, will you apologize for this behavior and admit I am not ignorant?

            Or will I then be the useful idiot who you won’t beat to hell and back each day but you won’t apologize to?

            I imagine it’s the later of the two.

            You have extreme stability issues. Work on it.

            It will be easy if Trump finally gets what republican ideals republicans have been gunning for since the 80’s to see if they work. By the end of 4 it might be difficult but by the end of 8 we will know for sure. The world can survive 8 years of trying something different. You need to stop hyperventilating over this. We have not done these policies, and we need to see if they work, not assume and belligerently claim we have proven things we have not, while trying the same status quo, and complaining that things aren’t working.

          • December 28, 2016 at 3:50 pm
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            Well, I guess I’m exaggerating those aren’t our only issues.

            I’m sure we disagree on Israel as well. As to the two state solution, but that again isn’t due to being bigoted against Arabians or Palestine. Though I’m sure you think it is.

            Quiz question:

            How many Jews are there in the Middle East, and how many Jewish nations are there?

            How many Sunni/Arabian nations are there?

            Why are we not allowing the Jews to have autonomy over their ONE nation? Palenstine didn’t exist until the Europeans gave left over Arabians who were constantly going to war, some land that they themselves called Palenstine. That was 1948. The Jews lived without a home nation for over a thousand years due to Arabians, and now when they have a nation, we are going to have the Arabians who are essentially Egyptians and other Arabs lay claim to their land and take it away? Look at a map. The prosecution is not two sided, and there is no two state solution. It’s time to give Israel a united nation.

            Also, look into this: Unlike their neighbors, you can be Arabian, Muslim, or whatever and be a government official in Israel. They have freedoms for gays and women.

            Name me one nation that has those freedoms in the same area surrounding Israel.

            They have nothing but enemies, and they treat those in their country very well with regards to rights and laws.

            And we won’t allow Jews to have one nation. It’s insane. It’s their land. There should be no Palenstine, period. There is no two state solution, it’s more like 14 to 1. 22 to 1 if you want the exact numbers surrounding and destroying Jews.

            lgeria, Bahrain, the Comoros Islands, Djibouti, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Mauritania, Oman, Palestine, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia, the United Arab Emirates, and Yemen.

            Many of these countries are the minority Arabians who themselves in 1948 said there was no Palenstine, and they just wanted the land. They called Palenstine a Zionist creation, and they wanted the whole of the land. Israel was willing to give up some land, just not one part that should be their own, and they wanted settlements for their people who have never had settlements.

            These Arabians can go to any of 22 nations. They don’t need to take over as much of the one Jewish nation’s land as possible. And here we are with Obama and Kerry trying to say a two state solution (further oppression of Jews) is the only peaceful solution. Yeah, if you agree that 22 nations should have that kind of authority to oppress Jews. It is not bidirectional. They have 22 nations and won’t give Israel one. What do you think this says about those in that area?

            Do you think they are going to maybe do the same thing here? As they have publicly said they will?

            Look up the crazy quotes, where they say they have 7 kids, we have 3 if we are lucky. Look up the population of Muslims in England, etc, that’s why Brexit happened. There is a cultural war going on with Muslims in the Middle East, and you think there’s no problem, we just are all bigots, right?

          • December 28, 2016 at 3:55 pm
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            And they are doing the same with Israel. Right now it is 75% Jews in the area. Muslims are infiltrating and by 2035 it will be less than half in the only Jewish nation.

            http://mondoweiss.net/2014/02/population-israelpalestine-projected/

            More links and data coming. That means only 8.21 million Jews are in their homeland. And Muslims are rapidly taking it over. How many Muslims are in the neighboring lands?

            That concept and data will be in my next link with the population of Arabians in those nations.

            This should show why it is concerning we are taking on so many Muslims from the Middle East. Why aren’t they relocating to their own 22 nations? If those nations cannot handle why do you think we can or should?

            Is it violence oriented? If so we will have violence here.

            Is it economic in nature?

            If so we will have those issues here.

          • December 28, 2016 at 3:58 pm
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            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_countries_by_population

            And now the Arabian country populations.

            The majority of these nations are Muslim. You’re all for the minorities, right? The Jews are outnumbered, vastly more than blacks in America, and the only sovereign nation land they have, which they have occupied for over a thousand years, is being entrenched and claimed by Muslim/Arabian nations.

            We are attempting to help millions of Muslims world wide. Why not the 8 million Jews? What is going on? This is awfully lopsided isn’t it? This isn’t bidirectional. There are literally hundreds of millions of Muslims and Arabians in their own nations. And as soon as they say they have a majority in Israel, they will try to make Palenstine larger, and say they need more settlements. See the issue? This will wipe out the minority Jews.

            We are talking hundreds of millions to 8 million. Do you support the minority?

            Also, why can hundreds of million of Muslims not help several million Muslims? What is going on with that? Could it be culture oriented? And if it’s culture oriented, why are we allowing that to come here?

            These are real questions.

          • December 28, 2016 at 4:07 pm
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            Be honest UW:

            How much do you know about the Middle East and populations and the Jews and the history in that area?

            Am I an idiot again? Are you going to attach some spin on this and then say how I have a high school education?

            Go ask a highschool student and they won’t know jack about what I’m taking about. They will not have numbers like I do.

            I’m getting really sick of you and ACTU saying get owned, and bullying phrases, while calling me autistic, (a seriously demented insult, as you mean to to it to degrade and thus you degrade the group of people) and ignorant, and other bull crap.

            You need to knock this off. I’m getting sick of it.

          • December 29, 2016 at 8:41 am
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            “You often make comments about what you find ridiculous without sources as well.”

            And when someone asks me for the source, like you did above, I provide it. Agent refuses to provide sources.

            “I already gave you the link to the archives.”

            Not really. You gave me a link to NOAA’s historical ARCTIC reports. That page has nothing to do with Texas temperatures, which is the only location discussed in the Breibart/RCS link you sent.

            They were talking about Texas – we need to find numbers for Texas to recreate their results. Texas is not part of the Arctic. Posting a link to historical Arctic reports is pointless because the Arctic report will never cover Texas, and the charts in the link you provided were solely about Texas temperatures.

            Data is available for NOAA’s prior reports (chart 1 in your Breibart link). The data I could not find is what Breibart/RCS is claiming they have that was before NOAA supposedly changed their numbers (chart 2).
            I couldn’t find what Breibart/RCS claimed the NOAA report readings were BEFORE the version that NOAA has available online.

            It’s not that NOAA doesn’t provide archives of their reports (they do), it’s that the historical reports don’t have the data Breibart/RCS claimed they used to create chart 2.

            That’s not a contradiction. The historical report is available; the historical report with pre-adjusted numbers referenced by Breibart/RCS is not available.

            “If they don’t have the numbers in the archive…”

            Again – they DO have archives. They ARE available. What is not available is the data Breibart/RCS used as proof of NOAA’s revised numbers.

            “If the link for the archive of data doesn’t contain the data, for an issue like this, why are you more concerned with Briebart?”

            Because you posted the Breiart link to prove NOAA fudges their numbers and amends the report, and neither of us can find any evidence to support that argument!

            To sum up: Agent says ice caps are increasing – I say they’re shrinking and temp’s are going up. You say I need to source quote temp’s are going up, so I provide my NOAA link. You then say the numbers can’t be trusted because of your Brebart/RCS charts showing NOAA fudges their Texas temperature numbers. I found NOAA’s historical report showing temp’s are going up, but not the “original” data cited by Breibart/RCS to prove their theory. You link me to NOAA’s historical Arctic reports saying the historical data Breibart/RCS used must be on that page somewhere, but Breibart/RCS was only talking about Texas temp’s so that link is not relevant to their charts at all.

            Neither you nor I can find data to support Brebiart/RCS’s chart 2; therefore, I am highly skeptical of any conclusion made by Breibart/RCS based on data that’s not readily available for review or analysis.

          • December 29, 2016 at 11:00 am
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            Bob I need to boil this down to basics. I see a lot of pseudo-intellectual bullshit. What I don’t see are:

            Link providing the funding from the Bush years for the Iraq War spending, and therefore the debt, from any of Obama’s years in office.

            A link and quote where I said the Cook et al study addressed what climate scientists thought about climate change being catastrophic.

            I will address your other BS after you provide these or admit you can’t. No more indulging your moronic rants right now until you do this. I assume like the data you lied about with Confused you won’t.

            You have called Israel a Christian State,so yes, I do think you are clueless on it, and am happy to debate your surely retarded, far, far right wing positions. But, only after you provide the links or say you can’t. I won’t bother letting you lie nonstop and then switch subjects.

            Iraq funding from Bush years for Obama years.

            My quote saying the Cook et al paper claimed climate scientists believed climate change was catastrophic. I provided the link, so it should be easy.

          • December 29, 2016 at 11:16 am
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            Confused,

            “To sum up: Agent says ice caps are increasing – I say they’re shrinking and temp’s are going up. You say I need to source quote temp’s are going up, so I provide my NOAA link.”

            Agent says this all the time, and then as usual never responds. He is referencing a report Yogi uses a lot that showed over a short period the ice caps possibly covered more area than the few years before it. The problem was the satellite they used could not calculate the depth of the ice, and therefore the mass and actual amount of ice there. As usual they picked one low year, set that as the starting point, and then used bad data to dishonestly claim something, which the rubes then repeated for years.

            “Not really. You gave me a link to NOAA’s historical ARCTIC reports. That page has nothing to do with Texas temperatures, which is the only location discussed in the Breibart/RCS link you sent”

            Not possible, Bob does not cite or even read Breitbart, Fox, Limbaugh, etc! (sarcasm, obviously)

          • December 29, 2016 at 1:40 pm
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            I hear ya UW. I have still yet to convince Agent that Progressive’s Flo is a fictional character (he claimed Flo is a non-fictional character and she, not the actress who plays her, files tax returns) and that I don’t need to get a separate renter’s policy since I own my single-family home and have homeowner’s insurance. As I mentioned to bob, Agent sometimes says things that aren’t based in reality.

          • December 29, 2016 at 3:29 pm
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            Confused,

            So this means since 2003 we have a somewhat more reliable method of measurement though still with flaws. We can look at those temps, and we see the government estimates are considerably off.

            This source goes over it himself, with source quoted numbers and data, things you didn’t have.

            I will have to thank you for putting up info, it is things like this that push me to challenge myself further and find more facts.

            Fascinating. Very fascinating. Many of these things I expected and hit on, but I did not fully think about the methods of measurement like the form used for the 2003 method in order to compensate for ocean temperatures perhaps changing based on depth, and this doesn’t even account for the possibility that ocean temperatures may shift based on location as well due to varying factors we can’t very well monitor. I think it is truly interesting to see the research. I would like more of it to look at.

            Go ahead and send me some links with data.

          • December 29, 2016 at 4:00 pm
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            “As I mentioned to bob, Agent sometimes says things that aren’t based in reality.”

            I noticed you said an example with Agent, and then grouped me with him. I also noticed you do this grouping with me and Agent a lot. It’s basically a bigoted behavior.

            Can you list something I say that’s not rooted in reality? You did one for Agent.

            Also, I gave you numbers you haven’t calculated. I love how well researched you think you are, even as you admit you don’t know the data. 2 days. This is what I do in 2 days for research. And this is one I haven’t researched much.

            The CRA and housing collapse is what I do in more time. You know darn well I’m well researched on the topics I tend to debate.

          • December 29, 2016 at 4:02 pm
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            I’m sorry, no. I’m not accepting this. You claim you’re a moderate, and you then agree with someone who is RIGHT NOW bullying me.

            No. Him and I are not the same. List one time he has said I am right, he constantly calls me wrong on “everything” and says I don’t know “anything” and he has never apologized.

            I need an apology from you now, you have never, when I have called out liberals, said “I hear ya” and then said these liberals say things that aren’t rooted in reality.

            It’s not acceptable. You may be mostly naive, but what you just said borders on the immoral wrong. That is the type I don’t accept.

            I need to know you understand what you just did, or we are done.

          • December 29, 2016 at 4:13 pm
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            Ok, Confused I don’t know how you don’t see this, with your false equivalency childish behavior,

            There are three liberal a holes here.

            Planet,
            UW,
            ACTU,

            And these are not light aholes. Planet is a liberal left Agent. UW and ACTU are not even debate worse, if you were looking as a moderate.

            There are two arguably abrasive conservatives here:

            Agent.
            Me.

            There are several supposed moderates here but I will focus on two:

            You.
            Ron.

            I have not seen you come to my aid when I call out planet, and I’ve done so and proven him wrong with his own numbers this last two weeks. And he insulted Agent while doing that. You said your issue with Agent is saying things he needs to back up. I called out Planet. You didn’t.

            The two of you have also agreed with UW while in the same page he was actively harassing others. There can be no misconstruement here. He is actively harassing me. You may say, I am doing the same right now, ok, fair enough, but you have never while you perceived me doing that, said “I hear ya Bob, this liberals like Planet and UW are constantly out of line” but you HAVE with regards to Agent and I.

            Interesting isn’t it?

            It’s immoral behavior. You then try to say you’re not decided, and moderate, and sometimes I even then come to your aide from Agent, against my better judgment, when you clearly don’t deserve it and encourage people to go after me.

            Not cool Confused. Not cool.

          • December 29, 2016 at 4:15 pm
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            “but you have never while you perceived me doing that, said “I hear ya Bob, this liberals like Planet and UW are constantly out of line” but you HAVE with regards to Agent and I.”

            Last line, is regarding Agent and I referring to us to Confused.

        • December 29, 2016 at 3:24 pm
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          Le aha, and interesting information I have found! (Yoda French speak, I know odd.)

          I’ve spent more time into this and see there are varying measurement techniques and devices, which is quite fascinating.

          You haven’t though of this though Confused.

          For example buckets, or buoys, or just thermometers. Each have flaws. For example having the same location monitored over time, does not account for shifts in temperatures to lower or higher or different locations that may even out.

          There is a newer method in 2003 that has some pros, referenced here.

          http://joannenova.com.au/2013/05/ocean-temperatures-is-that-warming-statistically-significant/

          Also, it does appear they have changed monitoring locations, and have thousands as I suspected. This means data in any one set of areas, with any one set of measurement, going back a hundred years is not available. The NOAA has their own link saying (and trying to appear not biased) they they have corrected for this, but I don’t trust them considering people like this who make a good deal of sense.

          Also, this does have the source material, unlike the NOAA.

          • December 29, 2016 at 3:32 pm
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            As for the rest of the people here: More people need to get on ACTU and UW. I’m getting very tired and exhausted of these people, and it’s affecting me ability to debate with people like Confused.

            Everyone here knows these guys do not apologize, they don’t back off or down, and they throw out things that should not be. I have shown I can wind down, they have not.

            People here need to put pressure on them.

            I have occassionally appreciated Confused pressure on my being pissed off, ergo why I just called him right on the matter.

            However, UW and ACTU do not have this self filter and need to receive heavy pressure from the people here so they start to realize their behavior is not accepted. To date I see no one taking that on, even though some people do try to address me (Confused and Ron namely, and I will admit they have points, and I have even called myself out on that)

            It’s time to get on these two.

      • December 17, 2016 at 12:59 pm
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        Al Gore may claim that the polar caps DIDN’T disappear because of his efforts, but that more carbon releases must be avoided going forward.

        Al Gore just being Al Gore.

        • December 17, 2016 at 1:30 pm
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          Who cares about Al Gore? I certainly don’t. Seems like The Right is all concerned about that guy. Does it have something to do with the fact his Presidency was stolen by you guys? I don’t get it.

          Let’s say you just don’t want to believe the truth. That’s fine. But, shouldn’t we all still be the best stewards of the planet as possible? Especially those who believe it is a God given gift to us? Why poison something God gave you? The planet is a living thing! We should absolutely do all we can not to poison it and shorten its life. If you have lung cancer developed from years of smoking, would you continue to smoke? Maybe you would because of your addiction (we have an oil addiction as a people). So, perhaps the question really is, should you smoke?

          • December 17, 2016 at 5:33 pm
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            I do, and that’s what matters to me.

            Al Gore stole the Presidency from himself. By being a nincompoop, and a self-righteous blowhard.

          • December 17, 2016 at 5:35 pm
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            I like driving an auto propelled by a combustion engine that uses fossil fuels, taken from deep beneath the surface of the flat Earth.

          • December 19, 2016 at 2:43 pm
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            “….his Presidency was stolen by you guys” Dude,seriously ……?
            The rest of your post is very, very good !!

        • December 17, 2016 at 5:31 pm
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          • December 19, 2016 at 5:32 pm
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            https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/climate-trends-continue-to-break-records

            http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-37949877

            Climate V weather —–. Go misquote a cartoon now, it showcases your intellect.

          • December 21, 2016 at 5:24 pm
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            DePolar, in the midst of all the ugly insults by the left, how about some humor to make our day? One of my close friends sent this:

            One sunny day in 2017, an old man approached the White House and spoke to a Marine standing guard. He said, I would like to go in and meet with President Hillary Clinton. The Marine politely replied: Sir, Mrs Clinton is not President and doesn’t reside here. The old man said OK and walked away.

            The next day, the old man came up to the Marine and asked the same question. Again, the Marine said she wasn’t President and didn’t reside here. The old man said OK and walked away.

            The third day, the old man arrived and spoke to the same Marine and asked the same question. The Marine was getting a bit agitated by then and said this is the third time in a row you have asked the same question asking to speak to President Hillary Clinton. I explained she wasn’t President and didn’t reside here. Don’t you understand? The old man answered, Oh, I understand you just fine. I just love hearing your answer.

            The Marine snapped to attention, saluted and said, See you tomorrow.

        • December 22, 2016 at 12:07 pm
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          censorship

          Who cares about Al Gore? I certainly don’t. Seems like The Right is all concerned about that guy. Does it have something to do with the fact his Presidency was stolen by you guys? I don’t get it.

          Let’s say you just don’t want to believe the truth. That’s fine. But, shouldn’t we all still be the best stewards of the planet as possible? Especially those who believe it is a God given gift to us? Why poison something God gave you? The planet is a living thing! We should absolutely do all we can not to poison it and shorten its life. If you have lung cancer developed from years of smoking, would you continue to smoke? Maybe you would because of your addiction (we have an oil addiction as a people). So, perhaps the question really is, should you smoke?

          • December 22, 2016 at 8:48 pm
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            right wing censorship

            Who cares about Al Gore? I certainly don’t. Seems like The Right is all concerned about that guy. Does it have something to do with the fact his Presidency was stolen by you guys? I don’t get it.

            Let’s say you just don’t want to believe the truth. That’s fine. But, shouldn’t we all still be the best stewards of the planet as possible? Especially those who believe it is a God given gift to us? Why poison something God gave you? The planet is a living thing! We should absolutely do all we can not to poison it and shorten its life. If you have lung cancer developed from years of smoking, would you continue to smoke? Maybe you would because of your addiction (we have an oil addiction as a people). So, perhaps the question really is, should you smoke?

    • December 17, 2016 at 12:53 pm
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      ‘Global warming’ refers only to temperatures. ‘Climate change’ encompasses alterations to other elements like precipitation, growing season length, jet stream dynamics, etc. There was no ‘change’ in the use of terms. Clarity in communication perhaps?

      Earth systems fluctuate? Correct. Big changes in temperature on glacial-interglacial time scales. Look up Milanvovitch cycles. There will be a quiz.

      More than 100 years ago a chemist, Svante Arrhenius, described in science papers how the burning of fossils fuels would warm the planet. This is basic physics, like the law of gravity, which I’m sure science deniers will soon claim is a hoax.

      • December 19, 2016 at 9:46 am
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        All of that is correct.

        Please publish the correlation measurements for man’s actions and climate change impacts. Thanks in advance.

      • December 19, 2016 at 12:10 pm
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        All of that is likely to be correct.

        Please publish the correlation measurements for man’s actions and climate change impacts. Thanks in advance.

        • December 19, 2016 at 6:17 pm
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          DePolar, think Sun spots have any impact on earth? The Global Warming/Climate Change people seem to think man has control of everything. WRONG!

          • December 29, 2016 at 11:18 am
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            During most of the recent warming sunspot activity was way down. Your talking points hace all been disproven. Update them or stfu.

      • December 21, 2016 at 1:25 pm
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        “This is basic physics, like the law of gravity, which I’m sure science deniers will soon claim is a hoax.”

        There is no movement of science deniers, there is however a group of people who love labeling people on a political spectrum different than them as being stupid, science denying, bible thumping, ignorant hicks. A far greater problem if you ask me.

        The people here have made it clear what their problem with politicians who back climate change control measures are.

        Deal with that issue, stop derailing and saying they would deny gravity.

        It makes you look like an idiot.

        • December 27, 2016 at 6:10 pm
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          “There is no movement of science deniers, there is however a group of people who love labeling people on a political spectrum different than them as being stupid, science denying, bible thumping, ignorant hicks. A far greater problem if you ask me.”

          Wrong. There is a huge movement of climate change science deniers which receives tens of millions of dollars from groups like the Kochs and oil companies, like Exxon. In fact, Exxon’s scientists determined decades ago the earth was warming due to humans and Exxon hid it to help their bottom line, they also funded groups to dispite this. You aren’t competent. You are 100% a far right wing extremist. You think if one area is made inhospitable or barren a new equally good area will open as everything shifts. You’ve already stated you don’t and will not believe the science.

          The reason many are labeled as ignorant, Bible thumping idiots is because they are ignorant, Bible thumping idiots. Take noted idiot Patti for example, she has claimed it is not possible for humans to change the climate against God’s will, and believing this is having too much pride. That’s idiotic, people who think that are idiots, and it’s the definition of Bible thumping. That’s one person out of the dozen or so science deniers who post here.

          You too are an uneducated, Bible thumper. You demy most science, all mainstream economic work which you generally haven’t even heard of, mainstream established history, and say we should use your interpretation of the Bible to limit the rights of people because you think it is best for them even if they disagree. You are an extremist, Bible thumping hypocrite, and in major denial.

        • December 28, 2016 at 1:00 pm
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          Oh what, UW? I’m not bothering reading this.

          Did I tell him that he doesn’t have grounds to call people science deniers when over half of all scientists don’t find that man made global warming is a hoax?

          You just need to believe all conservatives are against science don’t you? And I’m the crazy one. I don’t know why you had to comment on this one.

          Perhaps because you meet the image of what I mentioned above, and hate that I’m right. Perhaps because you can’t live unless half the population is bigoted and racist climate deniers.

          Such ignorance…

  • December 16, 2016 at 2:05 pm
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    you are so right ‘the biggest shams in human history’. It is designed for us to pay for a mythical forecast .We cannot change the climate nor are we affecting it .There is a higher power here and its not humans !!

    • December 19, 2016 at 9:48 am
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      Al Gore bought a coastal home (villa) and it isn’t clear to me, but it appears that he hasn’t sold it yet.

      I’ll wait until he sells it to give any further attention to Climate Ch-ch-ch-changes.’

    • December 19, 2016 at 12:10 pm
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      Al Gore bought a West Coastal home (villa) and it isn’t clear to me, but it appears that he hasn’t sold it yet.

      I’ll wait until he sells it to give any further attention to Climate Ch-ch-ch-changes.’

  • December 16, 2016 at 2:09 pm
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    Hot today, cold tomorrow….cold today hot tomorrow. Now there’s some science for you.

    I remember some time ago Rush pointed out that the word “jungle” was replaced with “rain forest” because while jungle implies unchecked wild growth, the later reflects delicacy and implies it’s not very resilient. All part of the sham.

    • December 16, 2016 at 2:38 pm
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      2, if a Socialist Liberal goes into the rain forest/jungle alone and screams his head off about Climate Change, does he make a sound?

      • December 21, 2016 at 6:50 pm
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        No. You should know this. The only thing he makes is what the environment can understand:

        A carbon emission.

        To mother nature he’s a big bellowing chimney in the middle of Russia on Christmas Day piping away smokey stacks into the atmosphere.

  • December 16, 2016 at 3:00 pm
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    And in other fake news…

  • December 16, 2016 at 3:13 pm
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    They’re called ‘seasons’.

    They’re called ‘cycles’.

    Deal with it.

    And keep your dirty stinking paws off my purse / wallet.

    • December 16, 2016 at 4:56 pm
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      DePolar, I did offer to send poor Confused a coloring book and pencils. He graduated from the Al Gore school of misinformation.

      • December 18, 2016 at 10:51 am
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        Agent and DePolar,

        Please stop embarrassing sensible conservatives. You do realize it went from “global warming” to “climate change” because it didn’t take long for scientists to realize the effects were not only the warms getting warmer but also the colds getting colder. Thus, “global warming” no longer truly described the full extent of the problem.

        p.s. – have you ever wondered, “I wonder if getting my information from people who are basically owned by the fossil fuel industry is sensible?”

        People who deny climate change will 100% be viewed the same as those who denied cigarettes had a negative impact on public healthy 50 years ago. Please, please, please stop denying science and if you say , “show me the science” well, here. Go to google. Type in “climate change reports 2016” and read away. Your welcome. Always happy to help another conservative. =)

        • December 18, 2016 at 11:49 am
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          No one is denying Climate Changes.

          Intelligent people deny that humans have a significant impact on it.

          You and others have been making Straw Man Arguments all along, to discredit deniers.

          Scientists working in this field have been caught editing data, etc. Their livelihood depends on them being able to continue ‘research’ on Global Warm… err, Climate Change.

          • December 18, 2016 at 1:08 pm
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            Depolar,

            I am not trying to discredit others as much as I am trying to reaffirm what is essentially now a known fact. I do believe that some scientists have probably exaggerated certain facts to try and increase human action toward repairing the environment, however, to completely discredit all the other credible scientist who have come to a clear consensus about climate change is a bit irrational. I am asking you this so please answer. You 100% believe man has had no effect on the climate? You believe all the pollutants we put in the atmosphere have no negative effect? Please answer. I would enjoy a sensible, fair debate with you.

          • December 19, 2016 at 9:49 am
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            insignificant impact. If you believe otherwise, please publish the correlation measures taken by a credible scientific organization, and provide a link to their dataset.

          • December 19, 2016 at 11:46 am
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            DePolar,

            I have a feeling any evidence I share with you will be deemed “not credible” by you. The funny thing, though, is that 97.1% (last time I checked) of scientist agree that humans are affecting the climate to a degree in which something must be done about it. The even funnier thing is that the highest percentage of scientist that believe in climate change are those who have done the most research and just happen to be climate change specialist. Before I send you data can you please tell me who you view as credible so I know what I am up against?

          • December 19, 2016 at 2:19 pm
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            “I have a feeling any evidence I share with you will be deemed “not credible” by you. The funny thing, though, is that 97.1% (last time I checked) of scientist agree that humans are affecting the climate to a degree in which something must be done about it.”

            You were right until that last line. The percent of scientists who believe climate change by man is potentially catastrophic is just under 50%. You were on the right path about conservatives being bad with information, until you just gave even worse information which divides conservatives and makes even conservatives think conservatives are stupid. I find Agent and others to be wrong, but people like you, are the ones who influence people to the left, not people like Agent.

            Cook et al and Verheggen et al both affirm this, and if you note, Verheggen et al they exclude the “I don’t knows” which inflates the number to 43%. It would be lower. As my link says

            “Fabius Maximus suggests we exclude the “I don’t knows” which brings up the number to 47%. Since these are “climate scientists” I don’t see why those responses should be excluded. An expert saying “I don’t know” on the certainty question is an emphatic disagreement with the IPCC 95% certainty.”

            And his logic is sound on that point.

            This is by no means a 97.1% consensus that we should act.

            http://www.climatedepot.com/2015/07/30/what-consensus-the-97-consensus-is-now-43-less-than-half-of-climate-scientists-agree-with-un-ipcc-95-certainty/

          • December 20, 2016 at 10:44 am
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            @ConCEALing the Truth:

            No, any ‘evidence’ you supply would be deemed ‘not credible’ by any sensible person. Your unwillingness to provide the ‘evidence’ means you ADMIT it is phony. If not, POST IT NOW!

            Concealing the truth is equivalent to admission of lying.

          • December 20, 2016 at 10:46 am
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            Further to ConCEALing the Truth:

            Censoring my multiple posts that provide meaningful challenges to Global Warming Hoaxers is equivalent to CONCEALING the tough questions that can only result in verifying their incredibly expensive and agenda-driven HOAX.

        • December 19, 2016 at 12:11 pm
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          FYI: No one is denying Climate Changes.

          Intelligent people deny that humans have a significant impact on it.

          You and others have been making Straw Man Arguments all along, to discredit deniers.

          Scientists working in this field have been caught editing data, etc. Their livelihood depends on them being able to continue ‘research’ on Global Warm… err, Climate Change.

        • December 20, 2016 at 9:16 pm
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          http://freebeacon.com/politics/congress-obama-admin-fired-top-scientist-advance-climate-change-plans/

          A dictator does not allow dissidents to have a voice.

      • December 19, 2016 at 3:04 pm
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        Agent – since I doubt you are a man of your word, I accept your offer. Email me at Icculus760@gmail.com with the subject COLORING BOOK AND CRAYONS, and I’ll reply with my mailing address. Will you follow through? Happy Holidays!

  • December 17, 2016 at 12:26 pm
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    To those commentators disparaging this research: Raise your hand if you know anything about climate dynamics? Taken a climate or meteorology course in college? No one? That’s what I thought. Ignorance is bliss!

    • December 19, 2016 at 9:53 am
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      Your measures of credibility of commenters is self-serving.

      Do you have any comments on abortion? Ever have an abortion? If not, you can’t comment… that’s your tactic.

      I took a geology course in college and have been peripherally involved in natural catastrophe modeling. What are YOUR credentials?

    • December 19, 2016 at 12:12 pm
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      I say your measures of credibility of commenters is self-serving.

      Do you have any comments on abortion? Ever have an abortion? If not, you can’t comment… that’s your tactic.

      I took a geology course in college and have been peripherally involved in natural catastrophe modeling. What are YOUR credentials?

      • December 19, 2016 at 1:19 pm
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        Getting coffee and listening to the reports is not “peripherally involved.” You lie about your degree, got busted not knowing basic statistics, and are a Birther. Get a life, and stop the lying.

        Climate change deniers are more extreme than North Korea. Every other nation believes in the science behind climate change.

        • December 20, 2016 at 10:14 am
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          Hillary was the original ‘birther’, for what it’s worth. You really, really liked your own comment, didn’t you ? LOL. I’ll give you another ‘like’ to make it 277 !!

        • December 20, 2016 at 10:50 am
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          BOTTING your own posts with hundreds of LIKEs is equivalent to ‘delusion of grandeur’.

          BOTTING those you oppose with HUNDREDS of DISLIKES is equivalent to denial of opposing viewpoints, which in turn is equivalent to oppression found in communist countries and non-communist dictatorships. Note; in the latter two political environments, the dictators or Czars often say “I have a phone and a pen” when speaking in a demeaning tone to their opponents.

          • December 20, 2016 at 11:00 am
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            Now that you’ve BOTTED my post above on the topic of ‘BOTTING your own post’, why not explain how your post has nearly 300 likes vs 61 (now) for mine?

            Is your BOTTING APP Battery low now? Re-charge it.

        • December 20, 2016 at 10:57 am
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          Further, questioning some anonymous individuals credentials online is equivalent to making prank phone calls anonymously, but broadcasting the ‘conversation’ on mass media.

          It is cowardly. It reflects immaturity, and an inability to debate in a civil manner. It relies on demeaning opponents in an attempt to make oneself seem better by artificially lowering the other person’s stature.

          The term best describing ‘actu’ is ‘internet tough guy’.

      • December 19, 2016 at 2:33 pm
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        DePolar, Actu is so insecure now that Hilliary lost that he had to up vote himself 276 times on his post. That is hysteria just like Conserving being so sold on his failed Climate Change theories. By the way, the Global Cooling has already well underway. Baby, it is cold outside.

  • December 17, 2016 at 12:34 pm
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    PunditFact, a sister site of PolitiFact dedicated to fact-checking pundits and talking heads, last looked at its network scorecards in September. The scorecards measure statements made by a pundit or a host or paid contributor on a particular network. They do not include statements made by elected leaders, declared candidates or party officials.

    So what’s the latest tally?

    At Fox and Fox News, 10 percent of the claims PunditFact has rated have been True, 11 percent Mostly True, 18 percent Half True, 21 percent Mostly False, 31 percent False and nine percent Pants on Fire.

    That means about 60 percent of the claims checked have been rated Mostly False or worse. Here’s how it breaks down (as of Jan. 27, 2015):

    Agent, you were saying something about being misinformed?

    • December 17, 2016 at 5:37 pm
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        @CapTroll PlaneTroll; you were saying something about using impartial fact checking sources?

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          censorship

          Yogi,
          I wasn’t using Snopes. Snopes should be used more for urban legends, myths, website phishing scams, and not politic

      • December 18, 2016 at 9:12 am
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        Yogi,
        I wasn’t using Snopes. Snopes should be used more for urban legends, myths, website phishing scams, and not politics.

        • December 18, 2016 at 11:51 am
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          Isn’t Snopes a brand of vodka?

          I’ve been researching new brands of vodka, to purchase a few bottles to celebrate the EC vote outcome tomorrow night with some of my liberal friends.

          • December 18, 2016 at 5:12 pm
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            posting again hoping you respond =)

            Depolar,

            I am not trying to discredit others as much as I am trying to reaffirm what is essentially now a known fact. I do believe that some scientists have probably exaggerated certain facts to try and increase human action toward repairing the environment, however, to completely discredit all the other credible scientist who have come to a clear consensus about climate change is a bit irrational. I am asking you this so please answer. You 100% believe man has had no effect on the climate? You believe all the pollutants we put in the atmosphere have no negative effect? Please answer. I would enjoy a sensible, fair debate with you.

          • December 18, 2016 at 6:31 pm
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            No, it’s not irrational.

            Cheating scientists got caught with their pants down and lab coats open.

            “No effect” = Straw Man Argument. Try to trick someone else with your slimy, clever wording tactics.

          • December 19, 2016 at 12:13 pm
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            “Conserving the Truth says:

            posting again hoping you respond =)

            Depolar,

            I am not trying to discredit others as much as I am trying to reaffirm what is essentially now a known fact. I do believe that some scientists have probably exaggerated certain facts to try and increase human action toward repairing the environment, however, to completely discredit all the other credible scientist who have come to a clear consensus about climate change is a bit irrational. I am asking you this so please answer. You 100% believe man has had no effect on the climate? You believe all the pollutants we put in the atmosphere have no negative effect? Please answer. I would enjoy a sensible, fair debate with you.

            Your other post did agitate me until I saw this one. Your intentions are good.

            I sometimes try to keep Agent on track myself.

          • December 20, 2016 at 11:01 am
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            Pants on the ground.
            Pants on the ground.
            Whatchyou doing in your lab coats with your pants on the ground?

    • December 19, 2016 at 12:13 pm
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      • December 19, 2016 at 4:36 pm
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        Bob, the moderate, you can’t keep your boy Confused on track, so how do you think you will fare with me? Not so well I would imagine. You can’t even give me a summary of how the $15 minimum wage is affecting Seattle restaurants and that is in your own city. By the way, I did Google it and the report I saw said it is affecting employment there.

        • December 19, 2016 at 4:48 pm
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          DING DING DING! It’s ON!!!!

          • December 19, 2016 at 5:49 pm
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            Nah, Agent would have to do a lot more to tick me off.

            I have respect for the guy.

        • December 19, 2016 at 5:48 pm
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          Sometimes Agent, I don’t view you as wrong, but you sometimes get elements wrong.

          Like with the Jobs kept by Ford. The liberals then focus on your minor mistake instead of your big concept.

          For minimum wage I haven’t directed it because I have bigger fish to fry. Also, it’s one I cannot and won’t win with UW.

          I like to debate things that I know cannot go back to “well my source says this”.

          That’s why I choose to show the Healthcare laws, and actions taken etc.

          I don’t disagree with you often. Do we need to argue over the fact that I said I sometimes keep you on track?

          You sometimes keep me on track.

          • December 20, 2016 at 3:44 pm
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            Bob, I don’t need links to get the big picture. I do know right from wrong. The experience we got from the media and polls in this election would tell us that they are agenda driven, not truth driven. That is where “Fake News” came from. Nice to see Priebus will be re-arranging the seats in the press room. The nasty leftist reporters will be sent to the back of the room and only the honest reporters (if there are any) will get the front rows.

          • December 20, 2016 at 7:15 pm
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            I know that you do, others here though don’t.

            I wish they respected you more.

      • December 29, 2016 at 10:36 am
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        DePolar, I don’t think Hilliary liked the “facts” after they came out with all her activities leading up to the election. Julian Assange did a great service to the country.

    • December 20, 2016 at 1:00 pm
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      censorship

      PunditFact, a sister site of PolitiFact dedicated to fact-checking pundits and talking heads, last looked at its network scorecards in September. The scorecards measure statements made by a pundit or a host or paid contributor on a particular network. They do not include statements made by elected leaders, declared candidates or party officials.

      So what’s the latest tally?

      At Fox and Fox News, 10 percent of the claims PunditFact has rated have been True, 11 percent Mostly True, 18 percent Half True, 21 percent Mostly False, 31 percent False and nine percent Pants on Fire.

      That means about 60 percent of the claims checked have been rated Mostly False or worse. Here’s how it breaks down (as of Jan. 27, 2015):

      Agent, you were saying something about being misinformed?

      • December 21, 2016 at 2:49 pm
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        Bob, these leftists do not like the truth much and that is why they don’t respect me, you, DePolar, Jack, Patticake or any other Conservative poster. All they know is agenda and many have been poisoned by liberal disinformation. It is really very sad.

  • December 17, 2016 at 7:18 pm
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    Wouldn’t a nice bonfire on the White House grounds be a nice way to celebrate Trump’s inauguration? A big bonfire. A HYUUUGE bonfire, releasing zillions of carbon particles in the air.

    Make Bonfires Great Again.

    • December 19, 2016 at 9:55 am
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      DePolar, Trump could make a sizable bonfire out of EPA regulations passed over the last 8 years. They will be going up in smoke.

      • December 20, 2016 at 11:04 am
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        I wonder if the OUTGOING White House Administration will remove all “J” keys on PC keyboards, like the spiteful Clinton Administration people removed the “W” keys when George W Bush was about to take the oath of office in 2001?

        • December 20, 2016 at 11:33 am
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          DePolar, there will be no usable servers in the White House just like there were none from the Clinton Administration. Trump should also inventory the china, furniture to see what is missing.

          • December 20, 2016 at 1:57 pm
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            Oh, I get it, because black people steal things. You are hilarious, Agent. What other hilarious racist jokes can you tell? I really like the one about the guy named Tyrone in prison. Can you tell us that one again?

          • December 20, 2016 at 2:16 pm
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            Agent is not a racist. He might not like Muslims, gays, Jews, Mexicans, homosexuals, transsexuals, asexuals, bronies, furries, pansexuals, demisexuals, Mormons, Hindus, Cubans, vegetarians, vegans, Britains, Hungarians, Australians, Tasmanians, Icelanders, Asians, Canadians, liberals, new yorkers, city dwellers, Catholics, progressives, feminists, or abolitionists, but he’s not a racist.

            That being said, I think he was attempting to allude to the rumor that the last time a republican president took office, the oval office was left in a shambles with pretty much everything stolen that wasn’t nailed down.

          • December 21, 2016 at 8:06 am
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            Wrong; it’s because Socialist politicians ‘steal’ taxes from The People and spend most of it on themselves or their constituents, while ignoring or censoring the conservatives who oppose them.

            Unfortunately for libs, KARMA caught up with them. They’ll be out of political power/ office for several generations.

          • December 21, 2016 at 8:07 am
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            Will is not a liberal, and he must employ a BOT to try to support his unsubstantiated OPINIONS, which he believes are facts.

          • December 21, 2016 at 8:10 am
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            @Agent; If I were the incoming WH Administration, I’d remove (‘repeal’) and replace ALL the electronic devices, which were probably INTENTIONALLY set to be insecure to INTENTIONALLY enable foreign hackers to access confidential and top secret intel. Their intent is to sabotage the US from within.

          • December 21, 2016 at 8:12 am
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            Obama just set a record for most pardons of dangerous criminals in one day by a POTUS.

            The intent is to leave a big mess for Trump to deal with, allowing O and other Socialist/ Communists to criticize him for the problems the Communist/ Socialists have been or are now creating.

          • December 21, 2016 at 8:53 am
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            The truth is out there, Scully!

            Wow, Yogi, all I can say is wow. You weren’t by chance a participant in the MKUltra Project, were you?

          • December 21, 2016 at 8:54 am
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            So you consider non-violent drug offenders to be “dangerous criminals”?

          • December 21, 2016 at 3:44 pm
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            “Will says:

            Agent is not a racist. He might not like 1. Muslims, 2. gays, 3. Jews, 4. Mexicans, 5. homosexuals, 6. transsexuals, 7. asexuals, 8. bronies, 9. furries, 10. pansexuals, 11. demisexuals, 12. Mormons, 13. Hindus, 14. Cubans, 15. vegetarians, 16. vegans, 17. Britains, 18. Hungarians, 19. Australians, 20. Tasmanians, 21. Icelanders, 22. Asians, 23. Canadians, 24. liberals, 25. new yorkers, 26 city dwellers, 27. Catholics, 28. progressives, 29. feminists, or 30. abolitionists, but he’s not a racist.

            That being said, I think he was attempting to allude to the rumor that the last time a republican president took office, the oval office was left in a shambles with pretty much everything stolen that wasn’t nailed down.”

            FFS. I have never seen such a stupid comment, and you made yourself look like a fool. I had to number each accusation. Do you get how stupid that is? You made 30. 30 accusations of bigotry and many that Agent has not commented on, and some that don’t even exist!

            Items 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12, agent has never mentioned, and you likely blanket apply because you believe he is against gays, which by the way you duplicated in items 2. and 5. And on items 2 and 5 you believe this because he believes being gay is a sin. He does not hate gay folks, and moreover, you cannot simply state he hates other groups because you believe he hates groups due to the fact that he believes their actions are sinful. That is over reaching in assumptive purpose, and is wrong to start with. Can you see why you begin to have issues when you start seeing racism preemptively, and then blanket apply it to every perceived minority group? Moving to items 12. 13. 14. 17. 18. 19. 20. 21. 22. 23. 25. 26: One of these doesn’t even exist, the rest of them, most Agent has never commented regarding, and then the few he has, he has said nothing irregular that others here haven’t said about Christians. For example he finds the Moron religion to be absurd. This is not racism or bigotry. It is being against an ideal, not a group. That would be like saying because I don’t like how you make chocolate, I must not like all chocolate. It doesn’t pan out, pun intended. 15. and 16. are obviously hyperbole for affect, which shows you cannot be taken seriously. 24, he disagrees with the ideals, liberal ideals, of liberal people. He does not dislike liberal people, other than ones that are annoying. 27. 28. 29. and 30, he disagrees with the movements involved with these belief systems, and does not hate the people. Disagreeing with the movement is not bigoted.

            1. 3. and 4. bull crap. He does not hate Mexicans. He dislikes the effect of poor immigration policy. For Muslims he knows that people that are living in other nations are not entitled to live here, immigrants are weighed by how much we can afford in the nation, there is a limit. And that means that limiting people who are Muslim, in which the FAITH is what is causing the war there, which it is also a political ideology in that region, is not bigoted. Israel is in the war torn nation, and they allow Muslims to be officials in their country. There are several nations which you have to be Muslim to run, in which gays are tortured and killed, honor killings are legal, and it is clear the religion in that area is the source of the problem. We do not have to be bigoted against a people to point out a religion has serious flaws, just like you point out Christianity does, and I might add, Christians have been less than 5% of the refugees allowed over here. Less than 5%. Republicans had a fix to make sure they could go directly through us and not risk being killed, but the democrats wouldn’t allow it, because they want a political hot topic about Muslims. That is the issue Agent and republicans have. The democrats using this issue, vs risk, vs what we as a nation are supposed to do with regards to immigration. We limit groups that are high risk. Also, if they stay in their own nation, they have a better chance of fixing the problem at the core, and they have a better chance of having a better life. We could always send $100,000 of assistance per person, which would save from the $175,000 we currently do, and considering they don’t have to relocate, that would help them. Or stop these regimes. Those are our best options, each with pros and cons, but we cannot take all the Muslims and people in turmoil across the whole world. We are making EXCEPTIONS for Muslims as it is and that is harming OTHER groups that need our help. Did we take in South Koreans, who were murdered in excess of millions during the Vietnam war? And now these leftists want to tell you it’s bigotry eh? Was it Kennedy’s bigotry against Asians in 1964???? You tell me you hypocritical prick! Why didn’t we take in hundreds of thousands of South Korean refugees, why didn’t the world step in!!!!???

            You are clueless on history. It’s so annoying, and you throw out these labels and accusations.

            Also, the prior administration did not cause the housing collapse. If they did, prove the law that did it. I already showed how this was definitely a democrat issue of over regulation.

  • December 19, 2016 at 8:59 am
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    until someone can explain how we come in and out of ice ages about every 10k years without the internal combustion engine (I think only about 120 years old), all of this science (and I don’t say man has had zero effect)should be treated with skepticism. i.e lets not turn the economy upside down with rules & laws because we “think” we have an effect.

    • December 19, 2016 at 9:55 am
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      Cow farts. Pre-historic creatures that resemble current creatures we call cows also farted way back then. What else do you need to know?

      We need to legislate higher taxes on foods that cause gas in humans. :)

      • December 20, 2016 at 11:47 am
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        DePolar, I have read articles that have proven that these Global Warming/Climate Change true believers use it as a religion. They really don’t believe in God so they use this failed concept by their hero Al Gore as “gospel”. He has been thoroughly discounted and by the way, the polar ice caps have not melted. They are getting thicker as we speak.

        • December 20, 2016 at 11:57 am
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          Yeah, those ice caps are doing juuuust fine (sarcasm). You keep believing that nonsense…

          The Arctic has continued to warm at twice the rate of the planet as a whole, and 2016 reinforced that trend. The annual average temperature (from October 2015 to September 2016) was 3.5° Fahrenheit (2°Celsius) above the 1981-2010 average, the highest in records that go back to 1900. Since that time, the Arctic has warmed 6.3° Fahrenheit (3.5° Celsius).

          Those warm temperatures contributed to extremely low sea ice coverage, which has been on a downward spiral for several decades. The end-of-summer minimum is now half of what it was just three decades ago.

          Cooler and cloudier summer weather helped dampen melt for much of the season, but the summer minimum still tied 2007 as the second-lowest on record. All 10 of the lowest sea ice extents on record have happened since 2005.

          But the ice isn’t just decreasing in area, it is also thinning, with a larger proportion of the ice cap made up of the youngest, thinnest ice. In March 2016, multi-year ice (or ice that has survived at least one melt season) made up only 22 percent of Arctic sea ice, compared to 45 percent in 1985.

      • December 20, 2016 at 5:21 pm
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        DePolar, so Obama has done another of his Executive Actions after he warned Trump not to do many. He is blocking drilling on the Atlantic and Arctic. I predict that order will be one of the first to go. Not worth the paper it is printed on.

        • December 21, 2016 at 8:14 am
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          O has used an approach which will be difficult to circumvent.

          But, the new SCOTUS can address the issue once a 9th Justice is seated.

          • December 21, 2016 at 12:23 pm
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            DePolar, Obama just fired one of his “scientists” at DOE for not towing the company line on Climate Change. Apparently, he was being too forthright with Congress. Perhaps Perry can re-hire him in a few weeks.

      • December 21, 2016 at 12:42 pm
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        DePolar, if I were Trump, I would have electronic experts go over the White House with a fine tooth comb and get every bug removed that the eaves droppers put in. The hard drives will be missing from the computers so they will have to have all new computers to start off from scratch just like Bush had to deal with after the nasty Clinton’s departed. He should also have the place completely fumigated and those Muslim drapes ripped down.

        • December 21, 2016 at 4:24 pm
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          YESSSSS! There it is. I knew we’d get this at least one more time. The whole “secret Muslim” thing. You are precious!

          http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/12/22/video_obama_saying_merry_christmas.html

        • December 21, 2016 at 4:27 pm
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          WOW…no idea where anyone would get the idea that you’re a racist, Agent.

          IJ Moderator–I call on you to please remove Agent’s racist post. There is no room in this forum for such blatant racism, or in the insurance industry for that matter.

          • December 22, 2016 at 2:45 pm
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            The comment about Muslim drapes is not racist.

            Such ignorance.

            And if that’s your wow, all I have to say is WOW.

            So when people say Putin is in league with Russia, are they being…Anti Russian?

            Agent’s comment here has to do with Obama’s weakness with regards to Islamic terrorism.

            There is no bigotry in his comment. It’s hyperbole.

          • December 22, 2016 at 3:10 pm
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            Bob, I think poor Wil got his feelings hurt. I wonder how many aliases he has been posting under.

          • December 23, 2016 at 11:08 am
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            This probably doesn’t even make Agent’s top 100 racist comments here.

            Bob, idiot, this is racist. Agent thinks this because he views Obama as not Christian and not American solely because of his race. He is a racist piece of shit. You are equally blind to racist, she have made extremely racist comments about black people “training” their kids, which is marginally above calling them animals outright, you are also oddly focused on Black Lives Matter even when it’s an issue that has nothing to do with them. You are racist. Both of you supported a white supremacist too. Racists, straight up.

            Wil, if IJ cared about this Agent would have been out of here years ago. They routinely publish articles straight from right wing think tanks. They don’t care about this kind of stuff because they support it or at least the groups pushing it too.

  • December 19, 2016 at 2:51 pm
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    Ahem!

    They’re called ‘seasons’.

    They’re called ‘cycles’.

    Deal with it.

    And keep your dirty stinking paws off my purse / wallet.

  • December 19, 2016 at 2:52 pm
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    It’s only a matter of an hour or so more until all 270 EC votes are affirmed for Trump.

    Then, it’s party time, with vodka and orange juice!

    • December 19, 2016 at 4:29 pm
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      DePolar, looks like the sore losers are after you today judging from the dislikes you have gotten. I did see earlier that one elector flipped, but Hilliary got a vote taken from here by the elector in Maine who voted for the Bern.

      • December 19, 2016 at 4:54 pm
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        Oops, Hilliary is losing more ground. Washington State, home of Bob gave 3 votes for General Powell who didn’t run and 1 to someone named Spotted Eagle????????????? Good Indian name, by the way. Wonder if there was any of that weed in the peace pipe.

        • December 19, 2016 at 5:04 pm
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          and another RIGHT jab by Agent…Bob has yet to respond, but all indications point to him getting ready to unleash the fury of 1,000 Mike Tysons. Stay tuned, IJ readers!

          • December 19, 2016 at 5:50 pm
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            Yeah…I don’t do that Al.

          • December 19, 2016 at 6:05 pm
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            Bob, I think Al is another of those sore losers who is out to stir up trouble. You and I don’t agree on everything and I do cut you some slack since you are from Washington State, about as blue as they get. I am a bit more blunt than you are and I really don’t care what any of the others think so they down vote me hundreds of times. Doesn’t make one bit of difference in the grand scheme of things. The country is now back on the Trump track and that is a good thing. Good thing he came along at the right time. This country’s goose was about cooked with who we had in charge. They can all limp out of town with their boxes and hopefully never surface again.

          • December 19, 2016 at 6:25 pm
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            It does seem that way. I don’t think he realizes what sets me off on those other folks.

            With regards to where I’m from, you might realize over time I’m a very well balanced conservative.

            My logic on gay behaviors and folks are rooted in the assistance and goodness for such people. Having a child of their own accord, things for them, but still rooted in truth. God is around for people. Any sinner is meant to experience good. I teach this to countless conservatives who get bad elements of what we are meant to do and be. When we advise people like this, the thing that should be at the root is the benefit of the sinner by going with God. Someone I know once told me, and he was very wise:

            If you push someone they will push back. If you create a pull, they might join you.

            I am glad I was born where I was, and I’m glad I am where I am. I hold a part of something quite different than most conservatives and liberals.

          • December 20, 2016 at 6:05 pm
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            Hey Al, I don’t do right jabs. That would make me a lefty. I do right crosses because that is where the power is.

        • December 19, 2016 at 5:50 pm
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          I saw that and I thought wow. My state has more hope than I thought. Even my state must have thought Hillary was bad.

          Here people were saying how many people would go against Trump. We will see how it all turns out.

      • December 20, 2016 at 11:06 am
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        I noticed that I was BOTTED with 61 BOT Votes WITHIN MINUTES of posting a comment this morning.

        MINUTES!

        • December 27, 2016 at 6:17 pm
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          For all the sore losers on this site, remember the great rendition made famous by the late Judy Garland – The parties over, it is time to call it a day.

          • December 28, 2016 at 2:08 pm
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            Georgia Satellites – Its all over but the crying.
            “Its all over – over but the cryin.”

        • December 28, 2016 at 3:53 am
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          Shut up whiners. Every post by any liberal is voted down by you two illiterate losers. Grow up. You know your clients would not be fine knowing the reprehensible racist views you hold, so stop acting like you are anything other than hypocritical pieces of garbage. Of course with every comment to you two they are downvoted immediately, and every comment agreeing with you is way up, hey Mikey likes it! Get over it, nobody cares, losers.

    • December 20, 2016 at 4:58 pm
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      DePolar, time for another Christmas song so I can be down voted 121 times like you were. Slightly different lyrics, but still good.
      The Christmas Song – Popularized by the great Johnny Mathis

      Chestnuts roasting on an open fire, Jack Frost nipping at your nose. Yuletide carols being sung by a choir and folks dressed up like Eskimos

      Everybody knows a turkey and some Mistletoe help to make the season bright. Tiny tots with their eyes all aglow will find it hard to sleep tonight.

      They know that Trump is on his way. He’s loaded lots of toys and goodies on his sleigh. And every mother’s child is gonna spy to see if AF1 really can fly.

      And so, I’m offering this simple phrase to kids on this blog from 1 to 92. Although it’s been said many times, many ways, MERRY CHRISTMAS to you.

      • December 21, 2016 at 8:17 am
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        Thank you for that!

        Here’s my ‘update’ on another Christmas classic:

        We wish you a Merry Christmas, though we know that may not be ‘PC’!

        We wish you a Merry Christmas, though we know that may not be ‘PC’!

        We wish a Merry Christmas for all great Americans and her allies abroad, …

        And “Happy Holidays” to the snowflakes futilely claiming to win the popular vote as if the Republic of The United States of America were actually a De-moc-racy!

        • December 21, 2016 at 12:08 pm
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          DePolar, they keep on ragging about Hilliary winning by 2.8 million votes. Trump won by 3 million votes in states other than NY and California. Who would want either one of those states ruling the country?

          • December 28, 2016 at 3:58 am
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            Agent Mikey, why would you even say this? It is idiotic. The two states you want to exclude are almost 20% of the total population.

            Give me a logical reason for excluding them when counting the popular vote.

        • December 28, 2016 at 3:55 am
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          Do you believe Trump lost the popular vote, or are you among the majority of retarded Republicans completely clueless about reality who thinks he wont it?

      • December 21, 2016 at 8:21 am
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        And more; my re-write of another CHRISTMAS classic which I’m sure you’ll recall:

        On the 20th Day of January, 2017, this is how our President Elect will begin empowering you & me:

        12 Million Illegal Immigrants registering or a-leaving.

        11 Hundred Miles of XL Pipeline to be built, and a-piping.

        10 Year Revenue-Neutral, Energy & Infrastructure Investment Plan Commencing.

        9 US Supreme Court Justices a-judging, including at least 5 Conservative, Constitutionalist Justices seated.

        8 Years of Freedom, Security, Law Enforcement Support, and Prosperity.

        7 Actions in his Contract to help US Workers Regain Their Jobs and Dignity.

        6 Actions in his Contract to Drain the Swamp in Washington, DC.

        5 Actions in his Contract to Provide Security for US Citizens by Fighting Terrorism, and to Enforce Constitutional Law.

        4 Percent or higher US Economic Growth.

        3 Income Tax Brackets replacing 7, with Lower Overall Middle Class and Business Tax Rates.

        2 Thousand Miles of US-Mexico Border Wall a-rising.

        1 Congressional Bill or Executive Order to “cut down” Obama Care as if it was a decaying Cherry Tree.

        • December 21, 2016 at 10:00 am
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          DePolar, great rendition of that song. I almost picked it as well although I might not have been quite as creative as you were. Amazing how music can give the right message.

  • December 19, 2016 at 5:35 pm
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    TrumPresident is now verified by the EC, and will soon roll back all the wasteful, stupid ‘green legislation’ and related damage done by liberals over the last decade or so.

    • December 19, 2016 at 6:08 pm
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      Drill baby drill. Oil & Gas are ecstatic and now they can start hiring again and produce all those good jobs. Maybe we won’t have to rely on Algae and Cow Dung after all.

      • December 19, 2016 at 7:36 pm
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        That was a burn.

        Planet tries all the time to do zingers like that one.

        Hilarious.

        • December 20, 2016 at 9:50 am
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          Bob, with Rick Perry installed as Energy Secretary, we will see massive development of our energy resources and won’t be held hostage by OPEC or any other energy producer. We will also be an energy exporter, especially LPG and that will certainly be a help to our balance of payments deficit which is currently at $800 Billion per year. Put America first is the goal. It is a joke how the liberals have made this country so dependent and it is all about to change.

          • December 20, 2016 at 9:55 am
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            Hi Agent – are you going to email me so I can give you my address for the coloring book and crayons? You posted twice that you offered to send them to me, and I’ve now posted twice I’m willing to accept your offer (presuming you’re a man of your word and will actually follow through on what you said, which I highly doubt you will, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt for now.)

          • December 20, 2016 at 12:28 pm
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            Not fair! I want a coloring book!

            I missed something here, but whatever I missed your reply is great confused.

          • December 20, 2016 at 12:35 pm
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            Sorry Confused, I am not going to give you my email address so you can use it to send me hateful emails all day. Just post your home address on this blog and I will send you your coloring book.

          • December 20, 2016 at 12:52 pm
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            That’s an invalid excuse Agent. Sign up for a free throwaway email address and send me an email that way. Then the email address you set up will automatically shut off and I won’t be able to spam you!!

            throwawaymail.com
            mailinator.com
            guerrillamail.com
            maildrop.cc

            These are just 4 places you can get a temporary email address that I won’t be able to spam you after I send you my address.

            What’s your next excuse for refusing to be a man of your word?

          • December 21, 2016 at 8:35 am
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            @Confused: I believe Agent is MUCH smarter than to fall for your trap of getting his email address and spamming it, despite it being a temp address. IT GGeeks I know say the IP can be located and can be used to trace the sender.

            Give it up while you’ve only been made to look foolish once in this section of the thread.

    • December 20, 2016 at 11:09 am
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      5 Conservative SCOTUS Justice will soon be seated.

      More Conservative Justices will LATER be seated, most likely starting with Ruth Buzzi Ginsberg, and then, possibly other retiring liberals will be replaced with Conservative Justices. The only hope the liberal have is for liberal justices to make it past 3 years, when the election cycle starts, and then for Trump to lose the WH to a Dem. But, after Trump starts to ‘MAGA’, he is unlikely to lose a re-election bid.

      • December 20, 2016 at 11:10 am
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        oops! several typos above.

      • December 20, 2016 at 11:43 am
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        DePolar, your humor is priceless. Justice Ginsberg does look a lot like Ruth Buzzi except Ruth Buzzi was a lot smarter.

        • December 20, 2016 at 11:59 am
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          What does somebody’s looks have to do with how they perform at their government job? It’s not like she’s a model or a pole dancer who collects singles. Why do you care how a Supreme Court Justice looks?

          • December 20, 2016 at 12:37 pm
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            She has performed just like the other Progressive Socialists for many, many years. By the way, Ruth Buzzi was better looking. She might have been mocked by Saturday Night live and the real Ruth Buzzi had she been Conservative.

          • December 20, 2016 at 12:47 pm
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            “By the way, Ruth Buzzi was better looking”

            So I ask again…

            What does somebody’s looks have to do with how they perform at their government job? Why do you care how a Supreme Court Justice looks?

          • December 20, 2016 at 1:31 pm
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            Agreeing with Confused on this one.

            Agent, we should have standards. How can anyone focus on facts with things like these muddled between?

          • December 20, 2016 at 3:21 pm
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            Justice Bader is pretty hot……

          • December 21, 2016 at 8:40 am
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            Looks don’t matter, yet DT’s orange hair and orange face were a focus of some libs and media types.

            I actually care more by SCOTUS Justices referring to themselves as ‘wise Latinas’ instead of simply a ‘wise Justice’. The distinction should be clear if you give it a moments thought. Hint: SCOTUS Justices should not be prejudiced and should not distinguish between one race or another when making rulings or submitting opinions.

          • December 21, 2016 at 1:29 pm
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            I also don’t support the Orange thing, I talked to the liberals regarding it, and I told liberals to stop with the hands comments.

            Let’s hit ’em with facts and class. And if they act like jerks, a right hook.

      • December 20, 2016 at 4:49 pm
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        Sorry Confused, but you should have learned by now that you cannot manipulate me. Are you not proud of your home state? Afraid that people will know where you are from? Post your address on this forum and I will address it to Confused and send it on.

        • December 20, 2016 at 5:11 pm
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          Agent,
          Would it be okay if I posted your address on this forum?

          • December 20, 2016 at 5:24 pm
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            Do it Planet and see what happens with IJ monitors. You have already been down that road and you stink as a human being.

          • December 20, 2016 at 7:13 pm
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            Did Planet give out your personal information? Am I missing something?

          • December 20, 2016 at 7:22 pm
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            If so, what a dick.

            Seriously. That is a next level dick move right there. Especially if he’s bringing it up casually now to try and use social pressure on you.

            And I’m sure he feels like it’s fine, since you’re the bad guy and all, things he would never let Trump get away with he’ll do himself I’m sure.

          • December 20, 2016 at 7:24 pm
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            Just so you know Agent, doxing is what that would be called, and if I were you I would press charges if he did dox you.

            It’s a crime, and maybe he would finally learn his lesson.

          • December 21, 2016 at 8:58 am
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            Agent, I was asking your permission. You are so hyped to have someone else list their personal info out here. Yes, you were unmasked by Boogereater and I happened to be on IJ when that all came down. I know you don’t want your address out here and I wouldn’t without your okay. Why are you asking for someone else to list their address, then? He already gave you a number of routes you can take to be a man of your word. The ball is in your court, sir.

          • December 21, 2016 at 10:23 am
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            CapTroll PlaneTroll is similar to those who were stalking the EC voters, by sending threats and even following them on their way to their capital building on Monday to vote.

            Call a lawyer before you register a complaint with your police dept. Police can’t do anything until the crime occurs. Lawyers can contact IJ to find the dox perp’s address and such after your lawyer files a complaint of online harassment by the perp.

            Lib losers can’t accept defeat graciously….

            and I believe things will only get worse over the next 4 or 8 years.

          • December 21, 2016 at 12:40 pm
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            You were asking tongue in cheek, to make a point, lying dumb ass.

            Right now Confused is fishing for contact information from Agent, probably not for bad reasons, but Agent is coming back explaining why he doesn’t want to do that.

            Agent only asked if he could post Confused’s information to make a point, since confused is making him feel threatened (though not confused’s intention, I’m not trying to make confused a villain here)

            But you, you went full on dick here.

            I’m sure you asked with the honest and good hearted intention of only posting his information if he said it was ok. Lying schmuck. If you want to issue a threat, have the balls to own up to it.

        • December 21, 2016 at 8:06 am
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          I’m not trying to manipulate you, Agent. I’m simply trying to get you to be a man of your word and send me the coloring book and crayons!

          Why can’t you email me at icculus760@gmail.com from a temp email account so (1) I don’t have to post my address on an unsecured website for all to see and (2) so I can’t spam you when our transaction is done?

          The lack of follow-through on your offer is 100% on you. You have my email. You know how to email me so I can’t spam you. So either email me so I can get you my address securely or admit you had NO INTENTION of actually doing what you said you’d do.

          • December 21, 2016 at 8:53 am
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            Beware; email sent will contain YOUR IP address.

            Confused is confusing no one with his sleazy attempt to dox conservatives.

          • December 21, 2016 at 8:55 am
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            The lack of ‘follow-thru’ is a sign of superior intelligence of conservatives who know IP addresses are passed along on any email they send, whether thru their usual email account or thru a temp account.

            Conservatives know much more about email security than liberals; e.g. RNC vs. DNC and Trump vs. He-mail-liar-y.

          • December 21, 2016 at 9:00 am
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            Fine,
            Agent, go to your local library, use one of the temp emails Confused suggested, and you remain completely anonymous. Problem solved. Whonex?

          • December 21, 2016 at 9:01 am
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            torguard.net
            secure-email.org
            anonymousemail.me

            These are just 3 options to send email messages while hiding your IP address! These are also disposable email addresses!

            Using one of those will not allow me to spam agent and will not allow me to dox him either.

            Agent continues to have no valid excuse for NOT emailing me so I can give him my address so he can follow through on his offer.

          • December 21, 2016 at 9:06 am
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            Using the library so the IP is theirs and not Agent’s work or home is another great suggestion Planet!

          • December 21, 2016 at 10:11 am
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            Bob, you should remember the evil triumvirate of Libby, Ins102, Captain Planet hacking my personal information and spreading it on IJ. They were very proud of themselves and mocked me ad nauseum. I got IJ monitors on it and they finally stopped after numerous warnings. I believe Planet has the record for email warnings from Josh. He should have been taken off the blog permanently.

          • December 21, 2016 at 10:25 am
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            Libbies can’t accept the defeat of Hill graciously.

            It will continue, despite some of them being arrested, or fired by their companies for their actions outside of employment hours, etc.

          • December 21, 2016 at 10:26 am
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            @Confused;

            There is no reason for ANYONE to converse privately with you on ANY matter.

            Say it here, or shut up.

          • December 21, 2016 at 11:03 am
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            But Yogi, he doesn’t need to talk to me off-line! Here’s how the entire process would work:

            (1) Agent gets a new email address from one of the 3 sites I listed
            (2) Agent emails me with the subject line I suggested
            (3) I reply with my mailing address
            (4) Agent deletes the new email account he created

            No conversation needed.

            He doesn’t need to reply to the email I send him with my address.

            I can’t spam his email nor get any personal information about him because the throwaway email sites I listed have IP blockers, or he could send it from the public library for an added layer of security.

            Agent – will you be a man of your word? Or was your offer totally insincere and you had no intention of doing what you said you would do?

          • December 21, 2016 at 12:41 pm
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            Agent,

            I really don’t remember that happening.

            I don’t know how I don’t, but I don’t.

          • December 21, 2016 at 1:26 pm
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            Now now, Agent, let’s not go mixing up fact with your beliefs again. I know the two are hard for you to differentiate. I was warned once. You don’t have to tell me twice. With all the insults you have levied over the years, how many times have you been warned? I’m guessing your tally is higher than mine. Though, I can’t state that as a fact. I’ve just noticed how many times you’ve gone radio silent after having been reported. Which tells me, you are quite familiar with time outs, like the ones you speak about to Confused.

          • December 21, 2016 at 1:43 pm
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            Also,
            I didn’t hack anything. The only hack I know how to do is hackey-sack. Boogereater exposed you, took off your mask. I think he was sick of you hiding your racist commentary behind it. Which, I’ll give you credit, has been a lot less in recent posts by you.

          • December 21, 2016 at 1:51 pm
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            “Captain Planet says:

            Also,
            I didn’t hack anything. The only hack I know how to do is hackey-sack. Boogereater exposed you, took off your mask. I think he was sick of you hiding your racist commentary behind it. Which, I’ll give you credit, has been a lot less in recent posts by you.”

            1. Agent doesn’t make racist commentary.
            2. You just admitted that his racist commentary should be public to destroy him.
            3. Racists have to make a living too. To try and destroy someone’s ability to have a career because you consider they are racist, is immoral.
            4. You are precluding the possibility that he is not racist, and you are overreacting.

            Go to hell. Veiled threats while trying to say how great you are.

            Go ahead and make your commentary public. Would you feel comfortable? Someone is going to try to destroy you no matter what your beliefs are. That’s why you should make a rule, not to be ok with destroying people, no matter what their beliefs are.

            Immoral tyrant.

          • December 21, 2016 at 1:55 pm
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            In other words:

            There is no circumstance in which it is ok to destroy someone in public.

            None.

            Zero.

            Nada.

            The moment you believe this, it is bordering on a literal form of fascism.

            Also, it is different to want to destroy and discredit an individual, vs pass regulations on oh say vetting Muslims coming into the country to make sure we don’t allow terrorists in. That is not a form of fascism.

            I’m getting sick of you and those like you here going on tangents due to the smallest of things, calling it racism, and then saying it’s ok to destroy people and threaten people! Do it with your own name then, and we’ll see how that goes. Coward.

  • December 20, 2016 at 10:16 am
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    My ice melted in my coffee this morning……….

    • December 20, 2016 at 3:46 pm
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      Wow Jax, I hope you are being sarcastic.

      • December 20, 2016 at 10:07 pm
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        My coffee melted part of my iceberg this morning.

        • December 21, 2016 at 10:05 am
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          DePolar, your coffee quickly re-froze in frigid temperatures.

          • December 21, 2016 at 10:28 am
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            Yum! Iced coffee! Almost as good as the celebratory vodka and OJ drink after the EC victory on Monday. Football, politics, and ‘heavy fuel’; what a great combo!

          • December 28, 2016 at 4:48 pm
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            DePolar, oh golly gee. It looks like your ice berg will not be melting anytime soon. Thule, Greenland’s high will be -20 today and Winnipeg, Canada will be below zero all week. The lower 48 is due for a big cold snap due to all that Global Cooling going on. So much for the infamous Al Gore and his failed agenda.

      • December 22, 2016 at 9:33 am
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        Yep.

  • December 21, 2016 at 12:16 pm
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    DePolar, We broke out the Champagne after the election and the EC vote. Too bad Hilliary had to cancel the fireworks and Champagne for her true believers who thought she would win. She just about stroked out and couldn’t make a concession speech until the next day.

    • December 21, 2016 at 12:39 pm
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      Agent – what’s up buddy?

      Are you going to sign up for a disposable email account, which you can delete at any time so I can’t spam you, that also blocks the sender’s IP address — e.g. torguard.net, secure-email.org or anonymousemail.me — so I can’t obtain your identity, and email me so I can securely send you my address, so you can send me the coloring book & crayons?

      Or was your offer totally insincere and you had no intention of actually doing what you said you would do?

      • December 21, 2016 at 12:52 pm
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        The only way you will get your coloring book is for you to send me your Home Mailing address, not an email address. You are now being given time out and can go to the corner and cry some more.

        • December 21, 2016 at 1:21 pm
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          Translation – Agent is not a man of his word.

          In other news, Gingrich admits Perverted Incest-Curious Alleged Child Raping Dumb Donnie Tic Tacs and his sexually deranged carnival digits is dropping, “drain the swamp” from his propaganda agenda. I guess it’s at least one less thing he can lie about.

          • December 21, 2016 at 5:41 pm
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            Translation: My momma didn’t raise a fool. However, your momma didn’t have much luck with you.

        • December 21, 2016 at 1:42 pm
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          I am not posting my home address on ANY unsecure website. I AM willing to send you my home address via email!

          Why do you refuse to accept that offer? Will you accept a mailing address posted here instead of a home address?

          Please note I don’t want your personal/work email addresses, but I gave you my personal email as a show of good faith.

          Please note I don’t want your home/work address, but I’m willing to give you BOTH (home via email, mailing on this site) as a show of good faith.

          If I post my mailing address, will you send me what you promised or will you come up with some other reason not to follow through?

          • December 21, 2016 at 1:57 pm
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            Confused no! My man, why did you do that?

            For your own protection, back down on this one.

            You never know when some idiot online is going to use this info.

            All because you want to have agent send you crayons because he said tongue in cheek he would?

            What do you have to gain vs lose on this?

            You’ll open yourself to harm to prove agent is a hypocrite or isn’t big enough of a man to send you crayons?

            Think about it dude!

            Calm down!

          • December 21, 2016 at 2:23 pm
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            Thanks for your concern bob, but I’m an adult who can gauge risks/rewards for myself.

          • December 21, 2016 at 2:28 pm
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            I’m aware you’re an adult Confused.

            I’m an adult also. And I’ve made mistakes for not listening to others in the past.

            You might want to slow down on this one.

          • December 21, 2016 at 2:38 pm
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            As a show of good faith, go to the Post Office and buy a P.O. Box and send it to me. The only thing people will know is what city you live in. I suppose you are not proud of where you live, correct?

          • December 21, 2016 at 3:03 pm
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            “go to the Post Office and buy a P.O. Box and send it to me.”

            If I do that, do you promise to send me the coloring book and crayons? Please advise.

          • December 21, 2016 at 6:52 pm
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            Confused:

            I think you missed he was mocking your alternate email address commentary. I don’t think Agent was serious about making a PO Box.

            He’s trying to get his point across.

  • December 21, 2016 at 1:14 pm
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    DePolarBearables,

    As of 12/20/2016 at 11:28 am, you stated, “I’m off on ‘vacation’ for Christmas. But, since I have very important work to do, to help in my part to MAGA, I may not return to this cesspool of liberals and their BOTTERs.”

    Yet, here you are still posting. Do you ever keep your word? Don’t bother answering. We all know that fake Conservatives like you and Agent are incapable.

    Please go away and have a Merry Christmas!!

    • December 21, 2016 at 1:32 pm
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      This is a whole different level of “Ron-ism”.

      That’s all I can call it. Perhaps he can decide that he had some extra time.

      Perhaps. And you then going on this tangent to shut him up, and then doing a fake Merry Christmas, is so asinine I can’t believe it.

      Quit being a snot nosed teenager. I’ve got enough kids to deal with at home, and they are more mature than you.

      • December 21, 2016 at 1:46 pm
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        Bob,

        I admit that the part of my post regarding DePolarBearables ever keeping his word was facetious. However, the Merry Christmas was sincere.

        And I also wish you and yours a Very Merry Christmas and a Happy and Healthy New Year!

        • December 21, 2016 at 2:02 pm
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          It was more than facetious. That was about an attempt of an attack at his character and keeping his word. I really hate telling people they used the wrong word, because often I believe that people get their points across even when they use the wrong word, but this time, you didn’t.

          As for the Merry Christmas, very well. That’s fair enough. Same to you.

      • December 21, 2016 at 2:35 pm
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        Bob, it is a whole new level of fake Ron. He doesn’t know what an insult is. He says he doesn’t insult me and then does it on the next post he makes. What a loser!

        • December 21, 2016 at 3:10 pm
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          Hey I’m usually fine with some insults, to some degree, except when they are focused on instead of the argument.

          We all need our wake up calls. Sometimes they can’t be nice.

    • December 21, 2016 at 3:25 pm
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      Ron,

      Do yourself a favor and don’t ever hold Yogi to a standard higher than that of a field mouse attempting calculus. You will be disappointed.

    • December 21, 2016 at 5:44 pm
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      Confused, yes, but will it be a legitimate P.O. Box or something you made up and it end up in a dead letter box and I wasted my money on postage? Forgive me, but I don’t trust you based on your history on this blog.

  • December 21, 2016 at 2:03 pm
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    Bob,
    I still don’t read ANYTHING you have to write. So, if you are responding to me, it’s moot.

    I have been Bob-free for what, about four years now? I’ve never felt better! I don’t even have to attend the meetings anymore.

    • December 21, 2016 at 2:55 pm
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      I’m not talking to you my man, I’m talking at you, with the intention of discrediting your posts.

      You’ve discredited yourself very well these last few years by ignoring me. Otherwise, you might have had a chance.

      Good job. :-)

      Give me a high five!

      • December 21, 2016 at 3:23 pm
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        Bob,

        LOL. Come on, man. That is high level cynicism. Best thing I’ve seen all day.

        • December 22, 2016 at 1:13 pm
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          Yeah, a little too much so eh?

    • December 21, 2016 at 2:56 pm
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      Additionally:

      I’m glad to know I had that much of an affect on your life.

      It appears your very being was affected by me. How quaint.

      • December 21, 2016 at 3:27 pm
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        Bob,

        You are up for a federal decriminalization of mary-j, right?

        • December 21, 2016 at 3:46 pm
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          Federally, yes. I do think businesses should make up their own mind on hires however.

          I do still believe pot is a very bad thing. But it’s up to people to figure that out.

          • December 21, 2016 at 5:11 pm
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            Correct Bob, employers can decide on who they want to hire and if there are pot heads applying, prepare to be rejected by the smart employer. Applies to drunks as well.

        • December 22, 2016 at 2:55 pm
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          For example an element of my libertarian-ism that is definitely more on the liberal left spectrum:

          I don’t think that police should ticket people for monetary values for speeding tickets or for not having their license and registration in good standing on a vehicle, and I think government fees need to be reigned in. In Seattle it was shown that the government doesn’t make reasonable pay off times, and those bills for a $100 ticket can shift to a thousand dollars, and many times, they collect the amount so poorly, the people actually did pay, and the government messed up. But the government doesn’t get a fine. Do they?

          I think if they want a punishment for little issues like these, it should be like cleaning up trash in a public place. Have them clock in, spend a weekend cleaning, and bam. No money lost, no forced poverty due to going 5 over the speed limit, no excessive policing, and no need to make people panic over being pulled over.

          I think that monetary police fines should be eliminated nearly entirely.

          This goes for drug issues too. No fines. And I even extend it to imprisonment. Force someone to do something productive instead of keep them in a jail that has high costs. It might be considered a form of slavery to some, but at least they might get a job when they are done at that point, or have some motivation. Right now when someone gets out of jail, they are almost certain to go right back in, as supporting themselves is near impossible.

          This is an area I actually agree with black folks on, only I don’t agree it is targeted to black folks, it just affects them more due to how the numbers work out. I think doing this would help a lot of people, and disproportionately black folks, which needs to be done and would be good.

          I’m sure UW will find me to be overly conservative with this post dude. I better watch it!

          As I’ve said many times, I consider myself to be a true conservative, but this doesn’t mean I line up with what I consider to be false conservatives, and it means I disagree with conservatives quite often that go the wrong way on these issues.

          I believe a true conservative would line up with this form of rehabilitation, and methods to take away over policing, if it were explained properly.

          Vote Bob in 2020 my man, and I’ll shape this country up. ;-)

          • December 22, 2016 at 3:11 pm
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            Also,

            This would reduce government spending for these roles. Not by much, but it would.

      • December 22, 2016 at 9:53 am
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        Hey Bob, if Planet has been Bob free for 4 years, how does he keep responding to you without reading your posts? Pretty neat trick, but that is what leftists do.

        • December 22, 2016 at 12:10 pm
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          Show me where I have responded to Bob, Agent. I’ll wait…

          • December 22, 2016 at 4:30 pm
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            Hate to tell you this Planet, but you read every one of his posts and then talk behind his back in one of your famous nasty posts. That is responding to him in a round about way. Another nasty trait of yours by the way.

          • December 23, 2016 at 4:28 pm
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            You’re a nasty, nasty guy. Such a nasty guy.

          • December 30, 2016 at 9:22 am
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            You just can’t handle him, he has info you don’t have that overturns decades of scientific research and he’s only been looking into it for 2 days! /s

        • December 22, 2016 at 1:14 pm
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          I don’t think he has replied to me…Like when he said he doesn’t read my posts I think he’s actually honest.

          If he did, by now, with his personality he would be throwing zingers left and right.

          Mostly to the right, to make sure they land matching political spectrum alignment. Just for affect.

          • December 29, 2016 at 11:24 am
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            Everything your said is idiotic, and I’m not interested in engaging you when you are wrong about almost everything we’ve refuse to reply on topic any time somebody shoots down your math.

            Forced labor for minor traffic offenses is neither libertarian nor liberal. Went engage with a person who does not know absolute basics, but thinks they have Phd level knowledge.

            It saves money? Where is the math on that? You even say the degree it saves money, so surely it exists.

          • December 29, 2016 at 3:41 pm
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            “Everything your said is idiotic, and I’m not interested in engaging you when you are wrong about almost everything we’ve refuse to reply on topic any time somebody shoots down your math.”

            Wrong. I have replied and I have proven your math incorrect. I get tired of then having you tell me I’m always wrong. I only reply so much to insane behavior.

            “Forced labor for minor traffic offenses is neither libertarian nor liberal. Went engage with a person who does not know absolute basics, but thinks they have Phd level knowledge.”

            Forced fees or anarchy is worse. It’s about what is best, and I knew this would be your or a typical liberal reply. We cannot do away with some sort of consequence. I choose taking someone’s time for two weekends as better than taking two weeks to two month’s pay.

            “It saves money? Where is the math on that? You even say the degree it saves money, so surely it exists.”

            Screw you.

            Let’s say the government hires people to clean up parks. If we have someone assigned to cleaning up a park (which by the way already exists) then we don’t have to hire someone for two weekends of park cleaning. Therefore, it is reduced costs.

            It’s you who don’t know how to think.

            Also, I don’t declare that I have PHD level abilities, I claim that having PHD level abilities does not mean you know jack. You have to prove you point, PHD or not.

            Idiotic. I don’t need to debate with you.

            You’re clearly not in my league, are insane, and never concede on points, or that you should back off or down, and I’ve clearly proven you wrong several times yet you say I’m “always” wrong.

            This is harassment UW. Knock it off. I don’t know why I took time to reply to you on this.

          • December 29, 2016 at 3:45 pm
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            Have you ever taken the time to show the temperature locations, methods, depths, or other aspects of oceanic study?

            Or have you simply said “these are experts and they know more than you!”

            You are about who, status, them vs us.

            I’m about data, methodology, and facts.

            You don’t break down your studies. You even didn’t read your own study to see that it contradicted your own point, with regards to climatologists, and then you tried to disprove my links based on absurd who is who crap.

            It’s tiring, old, obviously in error, and I don’t have time for it kid.

            Tell me you have broken down and know the methods of measurement, when they were implemented, and that you’ve even thought about the difference in measurement that must exist over 100 years of oceanic activity.

            I just listed three, and mentioned a fourth, and went into the time beginning and data from one of the four that shows government reported warming is exaggerated, greatly.

            This is ignorance UW. I’m tired of being harassed by you and called ignorant when I’m the ONLY person here who does this kind of analysis. You’re free to call me wrong, and debate, you’re not free to call me clueless, always wrong, autistic because I don’t agree with you, and imply I don’t do any research.

            Asshole.

          • December 29, 2016 at 3:53 pm
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            And I’ve done this in several hours of research.

            UW you can’t bullshit someone like me. When I start looking into something I start going into levels of in depth research you cannot just one liner and cliche line yourself into.

            No matter how much you talk about how inept I am, it doesn’t make you any better studied.

            You’re not breaking down studies in any major way that shows you are searching for variables.

            When I break down the CRA, I break down the law and code. I found the sections and regulations for changing a bank charter, which allows for different loans to be given at different debt to capital ratios. These restrictions make it hard for banks to change on the fly. They were not unregulated to begin with, and many of these restrictions were lifted through CRA ratings. So the only way you could change your business quickly or a thrift charter was by getting a high CRA rating, and a definitive way, by regulation, which I also found and pointed out, to get this easily, was to give low income loans with little to no proof of loan documentation. That took me review of laws, and I source quoted them in the past. I didn’t just say “Look, Bush W deregulated!”. I pointed out how these regulations affected business, how one changed their business licensing and abilities of what loans they can write, and compared to how the CRA affected charter laws. I mean holy hell UW. You can’t just make up crap like you do all the time and call me stupid. Challenge my assessments with better research, not one liners and saying I’m extreme conservative, I’m racist, I’m bigoted, BLAH BLAH BLAH.

            The same here goes for oceanic issues. I have not studied that far into these until now, and in TWO DAYS I have information that you and Confused do not. TWO DAYS. This shows you two have not researched this AT ALL. You can’t quote data on it that I have, you’re unaware of it, haven’t challenged it or thought about how it is weighed, and as Confused himself said “then what and how should I believe?”. My reply was: Don’t, unless you see data. When you have someone admitting they need other people to think for them, it shows they aren’t thinking.

            On the other hand, when I show my methods and in two days I find extremely relevant information, it shows I am willing to think on the issue on my own, something you don’t appear to like.

            It’s time to end the attacks UW. I don’t have the energy for it.

            I enjoy the challenge from Confused, but from you, I have no patience for a whiny little kid.

          • December 29, 2016 at 9:15 pm
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            “Forced fees or anarchy is worse.”

            No, actually it isn’t. For many people getting a traffic fine or two would mean unemployment when they had to go to the forced labor camps and miss work. Small, and even large in some cases, fines are perfectly fine. You don’t agree with them, because you think any money to government is immoral and theft apparently. No wonder you dismiss slavery in both the US and The Bible so easily. Also, idiot, it isn’t libertarian as you claim.

            “Wrong. I have replied and I have proven your math incorrect.”

            No, you haven’t. You Declared that King Bob disagreed with it, so reality changed and your interpretation was Rule of the Land.

            “You’re clearly not in my league”

            I agree, I am well beyond it, operating in reality. As a refresher, you were wrong about unemployment. I provided a study showing all recent work on it, and you dismissed it off-hand, because you are a fucking moron. Then, you lied about reading it and misinterpreted what it said. When it came to the labor force participation rate you provided Bob Math from a blog (even though you don’t cite blogs); I provided multiple studies from places like the Federal Reserve showing most of the decline was due to age and the after effect of the recession, mostly in older and younger populations. You directly contradicted this, said it was false, but never read the story, instead whining about “where’s the math?!?” Now you don’t care about ‘where is the math’. Again, happily, not on your level, which is the level of an uninformed clown.

            Climate change. You freaked out about the paper I provided stating that data shows up to 110% of the earth’s increase in temperature could be man made. You freaked out, and said that wasn’t impossible, reinforcing that you don’t know basic statistics and math. You then started lying for weeks about what I said about the Cook et al paper after I showed the paper you “refuted” it with was riddled with mathematical errors. You ignored that, again ignoring “just the math” when it applies to you. No, I am not on that level, which is the level of a clueless, dishonest, insane person. This goes on and on; as soon as somebody gives math you freak out and disappear.

            Hey, that happened when I shot down your moronic 401K Bob Math, what a coincidence!

            Where is that link again showing I said it stated anything about it being catastrophic?

            “I’m about data, methodology, and facts.”

            BOB! You don’t KNOW data or methodology, and deny all facts that are inconvenient to your argument. You have proven you don’t know or understand what confidence intervals are, and they are the basic fundamentals of most statistics, which is how data is analyzed. YOU DON”T HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE ABOUT DATA.

            It’s no different than saying you are about reading, but don’t know any consonants.

            “Screw you.

            Let’s say the government hires people to clean up parks. If we have someone assigned to cleaning up a park (which by the way already exists) then we don’t have to hire someone for two weekends of park cleaning. Therefore, it is reduced costs.

            It’s you who don’t know how to think.”

            SO, you refuse to provide the math, as always, and as you did with Confused in this thread. Dishonest to the core.

            Let’s deal with your doltish scenario, which would earn you an F in an Econ 201 course, and probably even a 101 course. Probably an A at the garbage school you apparently went to.

            Yes, if they did a great job it might be cheaper. But, they aren’t going to go there unsupervised, so you are replacing park workers with more expensive police. You cannot have a person doing forced labor and not have the equivalent of a police/prison guard. Also, you have to hire people to chase down the people who refuse to go. Also, you assume, incorrectly, that he people will be able to do the jobs of park workers, who clean, but also do maintenance, light construction, assist customers, etc. They won’t be able to do that as temporary slaves, so those services are gone–which is a cost to society that would have to be accounted for if you didn’t refuse to do the math in every scenario, or cared–or they are still being provided, so you have park workers and forced labor which is being watched over by guards. All of the previous infrastructure for the state administering these people still exists, but now they just don’t cash any checks.

            You also ignore the costs to society by having people lose jobs because they cannot show up, because they are forced to work, or the costs of having to pay for a babysitter, or having their children hurt because they couldn’t afford one but went to do the labor, and on and on. So no, you pompous fucking asshole, it is not as simple as you state, and again, just because King of the Dolts, tic tac poppin Bob says something, it does not make it true.

            Seriously, do you not remember saying “just the math” literally dozens if not hundreds of times over the last few months? You are a legitimate, scary, possibly dangerous insane person.

            ” You even didn’t read your own study to see that it contradicted your own point, with regards to climatologists, and then you tried to disprove my links based on absurd who is who crap.”

            FUCKING LIAR. Again, for approaching the 100th time, where is the quote on this. YOU argued catastrophe in regards to the Cook et al study, NOT ME.

            Retard, here is the link again. PROVIDE THE QUOTE.

            http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2016/06/02/410761.htm/?comments

          • December 30, 2016 at 9:20 am
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            Bob’s quotation must have been deleted UW, I don’t see it! We all know he couldn’t be lying.

          • December 30, 2016 at 1:22 pm
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            I didn’t read UW, because I already made the point I needed to, and his first comment was that I was engaging in slavery and thus it wasn’t liberal.

            I don’t need to read beyond that to know someone is insane.

            Moving to you ACTU:

            I don’t lie here. Considering how up front I am about my history it wouldn’t even make sense to lie on these issues you think I do.

            I’m sure you’re talking about the link that didn’t post, which I later then posted?

            Such foolishness.

            I also later posted oceanic data, showing different areas of methodology, and instead of debating those numbers, both you and UW attack my character, say I’m always wrong, try to deflect to a different manner of attack, and say I’m a liar.

            Great debate tactics, asshole.

          • December 30, 2016 at 5:18 pm
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            ” and his first comment was that I was engaging in slavery and thus it wasn’t liberal.”

            You already replied to that one, liar. Make up a new reason to hide the FACT that you didn’t reply because you looked through the link and realized you had been busted lying once again, as always, and your BS theory didn’t hold up, as always, and you were called out for refusing to not only show “just the math” but any math.

            http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2016/06/02/410761.htm/?comments

            Where did I say Cook et al addressed catastrophe, liar? You’ve been claiming this for weeks, and immediately abandoning every thread where I ask. Where is it?

  • December 22, 2016 at 8:40 am
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    Agent, can you identify the pot head based just on how they look?

    And the sign said “Long-haired freaky people need not apply”
    So I tucked my hair up under my hat and I went in to ask him why
    He said “You look like a fine upstanding young man, I think you’ll do”
    So I took off my hat, I said “Imagine that. Huh! Me workin’ for you!”
    Whoa-oh-oh

    • December 22, 2016 at 9:56 am
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      Wow, did you work all night on that? Whoa-oh-oh?

      • December 22, 2016 at 10:05 am
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        Yeah, I sure did. I came up with another verse too. What do you think?

        And the sign said, “Everybody welcome. Come in, kneel down and pray”
        But when they passed around the plate at the end of it all, I didn’t have a penny to pay
        So I got me a pen and a paper and I made up my own little sign
        I said, “Thank you, Lord, for thinkin’ ’bout me. I’m alive and doin’ fine.”

        • December 22, 2016 at 1:15 pm
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          Oh come on, you two should definitely be friends and meet up for a beer.

          This and the crayons incident has me completely engaged.

        • December 22, 2016 at 1:59 pm
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          That way Agent can give you some crayons in person.

        • December 22, 2016 at 3:21 pm
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          You had me fooled on that one Confused. I could have sworn you were either an Atheist or an Agnostic based on your prior comments. By the way, most churches don’t pass the offering plate at the end of the service. They don’t want people to skip out before they give the offering. Good that you are doing fine. Bob still has his work cut out for him regarding you.

          • December 22, 2016 at 3:25 pm
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            You can call me “5 Man Electric Band”
            Happy Holidays to all!!

          • December 29, 2016 at 4:04 pm
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            Forget this guy Agent. He’s full of crap.

            I’ll continue to prove them wrong, but I’m not engaging with people like this any longer.

            I hope all is well with you.

    • December 22, 2016 at 5:54 pm
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      As soon as the employer caught you blogging 7 out of 8 hours, he would say, sorry young man, here is your box.

      • December 23, 2016 at 4:25 pm
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        This isn’t a blog, idiot, and nobody posts more than you. You’re partners should give you a box and send you packing. I’m sure whichever relative you inherited your position from set it up so you’re safe.

      • January 2, 2017 at 10:28 am
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        Happy New Year Bob. 17 days and counting and the recovery period begins. If the sore losers don’t like it, they can leave.



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