Trump Pulls Support for Senators’ Bipartisan Deal to Save Obamacare Subsidies

By and | October 18, 2017

  • October 18, 2017 at 8:45 am
    Doug Fisher says:
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    Bipartisanship of this nature has rarely been seen in Congress over the past 10 years. It is good to see both sides give and take a little.

    The sooner so many of the new politicians coming in that ran on “salt the earth if we don’t get what we want” type of rhetoric start acquiescing to actual political discourse and decent behavior, the better off it will be for all Americans. It would also go a long way towards repairing the favorability ratings of Congress, which are so low they even make Trump feel bad for them.

    • October 20, 2017 at 5:13 pm
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      “The sooner so many of the new politicians coming in that ran on “salt the earth if we don’t get what we want” type of rhetoric start acquiescing to actual political discourse and decent behavior, the better off it will be for all Americans. It would also go a long way towards repairing the favorability ratings of Congress, which are so low they even make Trump feel bad for them.”

      Incorrect. The more we do this, the less we try things that may work.

      There are differences which if one side insists on passing something bi partisan will poison the whole thing. Your line of thinking is solely virtue signaling. It is not productive.

      Republicans want the market to handle insurance, the democrats want subsidies to force down costs, these are not interchangeable, and both are vital to either plan working. Any insertion of liberal ideals with republican ones on this will be worse off.

      The same goes for tax theory, the same goes for economic theory, and other metrics.

      Also, I’m consistent on this, as a side note. The republicans already said what they would give to get a healthcare plan passed, and it was substantial. This is not a “rare” bipartisan level. There was massive attempts to get a bipartisan deal. Democrats said no repeal would be accepted, only their base plan could be worked with. Republicans offered up numerous items to get them to change their mind, the democrats refused. The ACA hasn’t worked by their own admission, as Obama said “You get to come along, but you get to drive in the back”. Step aside. It is time to let the republicans who were given the go ahead the ability to put in place their ideals.

  • October 18, 2017 at 11:07 am
    Doug Fisher says:
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    LOL, now Trump reversed position on the Alexander-Murray deal.

    Dude has no idea how to govern and lead, only blows with every wind.

    • October 18, 2017 at 4:02 pm
      Ron says:
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      He was for it before he was against it. Where have I heard that before?

      • October 18, 2017 at 7:26 pm
        PolarBeaRepeal says:
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        That’s a sign of someone who had bad advice, but was smart enough to ask questions and later change his position.

        • October 19, 2017 at 8:31 am
          Ron says:
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          “Before I make a statement, I need the facts,” he added. “I don’t want to rush into a statement.”

          -President Trump

          • October 19, 2017 at 9:33 am
            SWFL Agent says:
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            I can remember his attendance at the white house correspondence dinner and his inability to laugh at himself and “join in”. Regardless of whether or not you’re a Rep or Dem, this was the first clue the presidency may not be the best fit for him or us. Such a tough job with regards to tuning out the minutiae and staying on task.

          • October 19, 2017 at 9:56 am
            Ron says:
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            When he won the election, I was honestly going to give him a fair chance to earn my support. He has failed miserably with his inability to be honest, open-minded, presidential, and to put America and Americans before his own ego and interests. Not to mention the hypocrisy.

          • October 19, 2017 at 11:28 am
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            He doesn’t check facts and doesn’t believe them when he hears them…..he always rushes into statements and inserts his foot

          • October 19, 2017 at 7:03 pm
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            Again; he got bad advice and someone corrected it. The implications of sustaining the subsidies went over his head until someone pointed out the economics related to subsidized prices in a competitive market and Rothman-Stiglitz equilibrium. Hence, we have TrumPresident headed on the right course of action after a brief tack to the wrong direction.

            The ACA Death Spiral is now accelerated, to get us out of the ACA disaster sooner rather than later.

          • October 20, 2017 at 9:39 am
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            Again, he is the one who says he does not make a statement before he gets all of the facts, yet made a statement supporting legislation before getting all of the facts.

            This is not the first time, nor will it be the last time.

            The point I was making is that other politicians have been roundly criticized for changing their positions by the same people who now blindly support President Trump. You know, hypocrites.

          • October 20, 2017 at 12:54 pm
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            @Alice; give us two examples. Just two. Ready, steady,… GO!

          • October 20, 2017 at 4:24 pm
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            “Again, he is the one who says he does not make a statement before he gets all of the facts, yet made a statement supporting legislation before getting all of the facts.
            This is not the first time, nor will it be the last time.
            The point I was making is that other politicians have been roundly criticized for changing their positions by the same people who now blindly support President Trump. You know, hypocrites.”

            And this is not a point I often make, unless it has merit to a specific law. Making it a general point just to call out hypocrisy is why we cannot get things done right now.

            You are not the savior. You are the problem.

            It boggles my mind how little you know on actual law because of how much you focus on tabloid level politics.

          • October 20, 2017 at 4:31 pm
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            @Ron; how many ‘agains’ are you going to use to try to make an irrelevant point? You’re proving your ‘Trollness’ with each trivial criticism of a politician on an insurance board.

        • October 19, 2017 at 11:25 am
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          He doesn’t listen to his advisors who most often have good advise. He’s dangerous.

          • October 20, 2017 at 4:33 pm
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            Which advisors are good, in your opinion, and which are bad?

            Let me offer a suggestion; you might summarily reply with “the advisors who are Democrats or Socialist are providing good advice, and those who are Republicans or Capitalists are offering bad advice.”.

          • October 20, 2017 at 6:37 pm
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            Except of course for when he leaves things to his advisors, and for congress and senate to handle, and then he’s even more dangerous for not leading on the issues.

            You guys on the left need to get a grip. The Trump insults need to stop, and are basically showing more about you than anything ever will of Trump. Trump is not nearly as extreme as you all imply, and this seriously makes me question a few things especially with the youth:

            Mental fortitude.
            Ability to stay on topic when they hear something they don’t like
            Ability to think about policies instead of character.

            Literally no one has had a debate with me about policy specifics about Trump.

            I have a brother with an above 150 IQ, whose first question to me was “You’re aware he called on Russia to hack the election right?”.

            Hogwash. Absolute hogwash.

            That right there is the issue, more so than anything the right has literally done in the last 30 years.

          • October 23, 2017 at 6:49 am
            PolarBeaRepeal says:
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            @bob; correct. The comments from Ron, Doug, and now Alice, are simple trolling, with no offers of solutions. I’ve previously discussed some of the elements of HEALTH CARE SPPECIFICCS, but no one has offered plan ideas to replace ACA. The left has dug in its heels and are counting on McCain, Paul, Collins, Merkowsky, etc. to help push a ‘compromise’ which will be contrary to a full repeal and a private market solution that US citizens voted for almost a year ago.

            I await ONE substantive comment from the trio of trolls here on the left. Just one. I’m not going to hold my breath for obstructionists to follow the Will of The People.

          • October 25, 2017 at 3:48 pm
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            Polar,

            I will go over some quick items:

            “@bob; correct. The comments from Ron, Doug, and now Alice, are simple trolling, with no offers of solutions.”

            I just want to note they think the same of you. I’ll go more into this as to why I just said this in a moment.

            “I’ve previously discussed some of the elements of HEALTH CARE SPPECIFICCS, but no one has offered plan ideas to replace ACA.”

            They think the same as well. What they don’t realize is the ACA is so massive in scope it cannot simply be changed. We need a simple healthcare plan.

            “The left has dug in its heels and are counting on McCain, Paul, Collins, Merkowsky, etc. to help push a ‘compromise’ which will be contrary to a full repeal and a private market solution that US citizens voted for almost a year ago.”

            I agree. This is why I’m against these compromises.

            “I await ONE substantive comment from the trio of trolls here on the left. Just one. I’m not going to hold my breath for obstructionists to follow the Will of The People.”

            They think the same of you.

            We really need to hammer home the ACA cannot be fixed, and it is not that we simply don’t like some elements and refuse to work with them, it’s that this is a huge bill, overly complicated, and it doesn’t do good to keep it. We should start from scratch, simplify it, move forward.

    • October 20, 2017 at 5:29 pm
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      How pray tell, did he reverse?

      I’ve seen the media try to pitch this same tune several different times.

      He did not change on NAFTA and whether or not to withdraw
      He did not change on the Paris climate change agreement.

      On each, the media kept on calling each condemnation a reversal. Each threat a reversal, and each sign of progress a reversal. The same went with the climate change issue.

      To me, the risk here is in the youth, like you and Ron, (Doug) seeking to see reversals, rather than reviewing policies themselves.

      I don’t care about reversals, I never did with Obama. You on the left, at least Ron, at the time, seemed to suggest he didn’t care either. But here he is now, and saying it’s all because the other people did it to Obama.

      We don’t need this style of ignorance. Quit with the “he’s a liar!” and go on to what you specifically support or do not. Stop acting like children.

    • October 24, 2017 at 12:49 pm
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      “LOL, now Trump reversed position on the Alexander-Murray deal.
      Dude has no idea how to govern and lead, only blows with every wind.”

      The only reason you believe this is you are inept at following news.

      The news are the ones who keep flipping, on literally any issue at a whisper, and then try to accuse Trump of doing so.

      Trump didn’t flip on NAFTA, he didn’t flip on the Paris Accord, he did not flip on the Alexander-Murray deal, he merely said the positives them working together which he supported, and then separately he wouldn’t accept something that left too much damaging parts of the bill alive in another. Each of these, the LA Times in the case of NAFTA acted like it was the end of the world on both sides. They played both angles, not Trump. They said it would be disastrous for him to keep NAFTA and Bernie would do away with it when they wanted Bernie to win. They changed win Trump wanted it done away with.

      The New York Times recently tried to get the middle class riled up about 401k contributions

      https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/20/us/politics/republicans-tax-401-k.html

      Then they implied in the next post that the republicans are being secretive of the fact that Trump’s shutting down of that proposal is part of his history of being difficult. In other words, it’s bad if he allows the contributions to be lowered, and if he flat out blocks it for the middle class, then he’s continuing his “character flaw” I will call it, of being difficult which is also wrong. They will not allow Trump to be right, because they are focused on his moral character. This is why I call Ron out whenever he says moral arguments, they are pointless, they destroy the nation’s ability to govern. You can’t make this type of stuff up. This is not including when Newsweek first criticized Obama for not making more strict rules from coming into the nation from war torn nations in the Middle East, and for not making safe zones, to then saying the whole region would be destabilized from making safe zones and more rules were racist now, because they didn’t like Trump.

      “Mr. Trump’s shutdown of the proposal is the first of what many Republicans privately fear could be a presidential pattern that disrupts their efforts to pass a sweeping overhaul of the tax code. ”

      htt ps://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/23/us/politics/trump-401-k-tax-budget.html

      I can put all these articles side by side Doug and Ron. The contradictions, the flat out retractions, these are not errors. This is willful manipulation of the public which is working.

      I can show you NAFTA contradictions 3 times from the same writer in one month at the LA Times.

      The issue here is you guys are seeking more to call out his character and supposed contradictions than you are with what you would support to begin with, or what is good policy to begin with.

      It’s time to stop.

      Also: LOL is not the way to make a point, and is the sign of someone who guffawed once they saw something instead of doing research.

  • October 18, 2017 at 1:36 pm
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    ” restoring $106 million in funding for a federal program that helps people enroll in insurance plans”

    Cut that out and let us trained licensed regulated Main st USA Agents do our jobs. Wonder if that cost includes the POS web site or is it just the incompetents at the 800 screw you line.

    • October 20, 2017 at 8:38 pm
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      Good points. You forgot to mention the ACA policies are bad and prices are getting ridiculous/ unafford… more unaffordable. Carry on.

      • October 23, 2017 at 3:29 pm
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        What definition of affordable are you using? The one I learned in 1st grade or OBamas?

        • October 25, 2017 at 3:52 pm
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          Affordable in my case is over $10,000 per year payable by me with a very high deductible.

          If I made just $10,000 less I would instead have Medicaid paying for all of that, no deductibles charged, in my state. Forcing me to buy insurance at that point while I’m young (let’s say I was in the same bracket in my early 20’s) and paying $100,000 over ten years is somehow good, as long as we give free medical expenses to other people, while we inflate the cost of living by incredible amounts to certain sections of society.

          The ACA does indeed make insurance unaffordable for many, when then some people say well others benefit, yes. They receive things immorally which could be done better, and benefit everyone.

          Kids are so inept on this. I despise my age group for the level of debate skills they tend to have. The boomers from my point of view are some of the best educated generation there is, and the most ethical, yet millennials usually blame them for all the woes in the world.

          UW flat out made this accusation in the past. I called him out on it. He has since stopped because he knows it isn’t popular.

  • October 18, 2017 at 5:11 pm
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    I never imagined that there could be such a mean, vindictive, ill informed (well, I will just say it – ignorant) human being out there let alone one that enough mean, vindictive, ill informed people could vote into office.
    Such a sad moment for America when the president deliberately does things that hurt so many people just because the previous guy was African American.

    • October 19, 2017 at 10:53 am
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      Kenneth,
      I have someone in my house who also acts like this…she’s 4.

      The subsidies are not a bail out. I thought the pres said he wanted to help low income families. We finally get some bipartisan work in congress just to have those efforts squashed by tiny hands.

    • October 19, 2017 at 7:06 pm
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      Illegal, UnConstitutional subsidies have been discontinued. If they were useful, Congress would have approved them long ago. Common sense and economics of supply & demand have prevailed. The Death Spiral will be accelerated at the next renewals.

      • October 20, 2017 at 2:15 pm
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        Congress did approve them; just not the specific payment method Obama incorrectly used

        • October 20, 2017 at 4:34 pm
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          WHICH Congress approved subsidies?

          How many of those approving of subsidies still hold a seat in Congress?

          Have you learned anything from answering the two above Qs?

        • October 20, 2017 at 8:43 pm
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          Again; you point out that CONGRESS approved subsidies but didn’t fund them, which is a contradiction. You had time to explain but didn’t respond when I asked WHICH CONGRESS approved the subsidies that THE CURRENT CONGRESS and CURRENT POTUS will end.

          How many times are you going to post trash in hopes of convincing people the CURRENT CONGRESS doesn’t represent the most recent voter sentiment? … and that THE PRIOR CONGRESS MEMBERS that approved ACA AND the subsidies was partially thrown out of office upon their next two re-election campaigns?

    • October 23, 2017 at 2:46 pm
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      Lesser of two evils. Whats that tell ya about the other one?

  • October 19, 2017 at 2:12 pm
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    Trump sounds like someone so stoned he can barely parse a sentence, let alone utter a coherent thought, and whose utter indifference to reality still staggers.

    • October 19, 2017 at 2:28 pm
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      If only he were stoned, it would explain a lot of things, like his allergy to reality, truth, and logic.

    • October 20, 2017 at 3:07 pm
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      Stop talking about Pelosi Galore, Chucky Shmucky, Maxine Waters like that. We all know they make perfect sense every time they open their Progressive mouths.

  • October 19, 2017 at 4:32 pm
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    “I am supportive of Lamar as a person & also of the process, but I can never support bailing out ins co’s who have made a fortune w/ O’Care,” Trump wrote on Twitter on Wednesday.

    TRUMP, STOP SAYING THE INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE MAKING A FORTUNE!!!
    THIS IS A LIE! The average insurer lost $163,000,000 (163 Million) after the first year ACA was put into effect. The whole reason the U.S. is in the middle of this is because the insurance companies don’t have a risk adjustment factor to accurately modify premiums, since they removed the pre-existing conditions.

    When the insurer no longer has the ability to pay claims because the amount of the claims exceeds the amount of premium and reinsurance, the insurer goes bankrupt, the responsibility falls to the back-up government programs sponsored by the insurance company.

    We’ve seen plenty of car and home insurance companies go bankrupt and the cost lands on the insurance company-funded guaranty associations. Unfortunately, there is a limit on how much they can pay out per claim, which means, ultimately, that any additional cost will land on the person filing the claim.

    It’s essential that Trump work with the insurance companies to accurately assess premiums and risk, or he takes the chance of bankrupting the insurers, and leaving citizens paying all health costs out-of-pocket.

    • October 20, 2017 at 1:12 am
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      Maybe this is Trump’s intention all along? 9th dimensional chess!

      He repeatedly said he wanted everyone to have coverage… If he bankrupts the insurers, single payer will be all that’s left… Hmmmmm

      • October 20, 2017 at 7:55 am
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        Probably doesn’t matter what his intention is, in his mind he “wins” every time anyway. We already have single payer in my area – only one company offering coverage, have no way of negotiating rate with Dr’s and hospital, and no control over billing. A little more salt in wound – just insured a $1.6mm waterfront home for client. His occupation – pharmaceutical sales rep.

        • October 20, 2017 at 8:06 am
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          I’ll add one more thought before Polar adds his/her comment of “well once we get rid of ACA the competition will solve this problem”. The medical industry (Dr’s, pharma, medical devices & services) has woven an intricate web of complexity and lack of transparency with billing that it’s nearly impossible to fix. I see politicians, health insurance industry executives, and consumers on TV all the time talking about health care costs but we don’t see doctors or other industry insiders. They don’t want it fixed.

        • October 20, 2017 at 8:25 am
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          We also need to get the govt out of HI altogether. The HI industry won’t solve any problems until subsidies are removed and they HAVE TO ADDRESS THE COSTS. The govt can only help by getting out of HI and repealing regulations that hinder competition. Anyone who took a basic course in economics NOT TAUGHT BY A SOCIALISM-LOVING teacher knows these details.

          • October 20, 2017 at 3:03 pm
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            Polar, gee, I wonder why we keep seeing Clinics popping up all over the country who offer primary care for a small monthly charge and apart from insurance. Doctors are fed up with this system we have had for going on 8 years now. We are going to end up with people buying a cheap catastrophic policy and using the Clinics for the monthly charge. I have a feeling it will cost a lot less for care.

          • October 20, 2017 at 4:44 pm
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            Here are two reasons why, Agent, among others:

            1. Freedom to practice medicine as they believe best for their pateints who were previously bound to, in essence, no coverage under ACA.

            2. Lower cost to patients who select the treatments they NEED instead of the comprehensive package of coverage FORCED upon them by ACA. Ask any politician is they’d be willing to pay for things they NEVER eat being included on their plates at restaurants along with the food they ordered, and being charged extra to the charge for the food they ordered to pay for the food forced upon them. I know how they would answer; i.e. get up and walk away from that restaurant and visit one down the street (i.e. an analogy to the walk-in clinics you mentioned).

            FREEDOM isn’t an option, it’s a right that US citizens have now demanded, and they won’t be denied it any longer.

        • October 20, 2017 at 3:05 pm
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          SW, at least you won’t have to worry as much about rising seas on the waterfront home. NASA just released a report that seas are now receding, not rising. What a blow to the Global Warming hoaxers.

          • October 21, 2017 at 12:35 pm
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            Agent, will you continue to believe in NASA data when your other assertion is proven to be taken from someone dark and stinky?

            https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/

            If you are going to use scientific sources, you better actually source them, because finding out the truth is as easy as googling five words. Liar.

          • October 23, 2017 at 9:08 am
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            Doug,
            He heard it on Rush. I heard it, too. Some of the pill popper’s followers take his word as gospel. He’s not a man of his word. If he was, he’d be broadcasting from Costa Rica. He promised he was going to move there if the ACA was upheld by the Supreme Court. Funny, Costa Rica actually has government run healthcare. Palm, meet forehead.



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