You will never stop sexual harassment in Hollywood. There are 2 reasons for this, the first is that there are so many people willing to sell themselves for fame. I worked in the movie business for 20 years, and I have heard young, attractive women literally say “I would let the director crap in my mouth for a speaking part in this movie”. I have seen extras proudly proclaim that they were going to try to give the 2nd AD oral sex in exchange for a SAG Voucher (A Sag Voucher is a Union timesheet for day work, you need to work 3 days on a SAG voucher to be eligible to join SAG).
The 2nd reason there will always be sexual harassment in Hollywood is because Hollywood is eyeball deep in nepotism. So many people are given power that they did not earn, and do not deserve.
When you combine ignorant people with a history of getting what they want, (yet don’t deserve), and a large percentage of people willing to offer their bodies and sexual favors in exchange for what they want, you end up with people in power who think everyone should be willing to do give them sexual favors for the things they have to offer.
And, when you have people that are willing to trade sexual favors for fame, it not a stretch to consider that these people also understand that if the fame they receive isn’t as good as they hoped for, then they will turn their willing offer into a sexual harassment claim as a way of demanding their “payment” back for inadequate service.
“Indeed, our president did admit to sexual assault”
No he didn’t. When he is talking about women who want to be grabbed he is not talking about violation. This would be equal to people in my age group talking about how when they dance with women, women want them to grab them. It’s all about where you go, and these women do exist.
“and did admit to ogling undressed teenage girls backstage of his Miss Teen USA pageants.”
As much as you don’t like this, what he did in this scenario would not be illegal.
Now, in the name of consistency: No. We should not punish people we have no evidence for like Clinton. When I say no evidence I should qualify this.
How do we charge a case? It is not, though some feminists have succeeded in making it this way for College scenarios, preponderance of evidence, it is not, people came forward with oral testimony, (Bill Clinton) it would be physical evidence. Pictures of the assault, DNA, significant witnesses of the rape, etc. Bill Clinton should not be tried for the reason that the evidence is not there. This behavior on both sides needs to stop, just because you don’t like someone, doesn’t mean they should be criminally tried for everything under the sun. Now, while I don’t think Bill should be tried for that, I DO think Hillary should have been punished for the email scenario, or, the laws should have been changed for people in the military who have been punished for this (peons get the terrible treatment I suppose) so that we from now on treat everyone fairly. Either she should be in jail, or anyone in jail should be out, and the standard needs to be changed immediately.
November 22, 2017 at 9:04 am
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Public allegations in 2016 of unwanted physical contact by our president – key word – unwanted:
Jessica Leeds (1980s)
Kristin Anderson (1990s)
Cathy Heller (1997)
Temple Taggart McDowell (1997)
Karena Virginia (1998)
Mindy McGillivray (2003)
Rachel Crooks (2005)
Natasha Stoynoff (2005)
Jessica Drake (2006)
Ninni Laaksonen (2006)
Burnett’s unnamed friend (2010)
Cassandra Searles (2013)
Allegations of pageant dressing room visits:
Miss Teen USA contestants
Bridget Sullivan (2000)
Tasha Dixon (2001)
Unnamed contestants (2001)
Samantha Holvey (2006)
But, hey, no worries, the party of family values must have misplaced their collective moral compass on the way to the voting booths.
November 22, 2017 at 11:44 am
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The subject at hand is sexual misconduct, correct? So, how does this NOT qualify? When asked about his pageants, POTUS bragged, “You know they’re standing there with no clothes. Is everybody okay? And you see these incredible women. And so I sort of get away with things like that.”
Why is there a concerted effort to censor the truth out here?
November 21, 2017 at 2:00 pm
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Correct; you shouldn’t mention someone who said something and did so in response to baiting by a liberal who was fired for doing so. The People don’t believe that matters in the bigger scheme of things. But Libitterals are using it out of frustration with their humiliating loss, 232-306.
Please don’t forget Trump, unless you think all women who accuse Democrats are telling the truth but believe all those who accuse Republicans are lying, which I bet you do
When will the court case by those women occur? Inquiring minds who don’t read/ listen to PBS, NPR, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, Huff & Puff POSt, etc. want to know.
Confused,
Don’t you find it totally revolting our president admitted to purposely heading into the dressing rooms backstage of his Miss USA Teen pageants to look at the birthday suited contestants, some of whom were as young as 14? I think the president’s daughter stated it best, “There is a special place in hell for people who prey on children.” Yep, and her father will find himself relocated there some day.
Read this one fast, the 2 censors out here will be asking to have this truth deleted.
It is your side that typically does this. Ergo why Clinton was never focused on in this, whereas Trump is constantly talked about as if he is proven to have done sexual assault.
Focus on the other side. Your weakness is solely focusing on the right. I just told the right to knock it off, but I had to tell the left where they were wrong too.
What you just said by the way was clearly you clapping for yourself. That’s it, nothing more. It’s very frustrating to see things like that. You don’t know what virtue is.
Clinton was never focused on? I’m very confused by this comment; to the best of my recollection, there was a great deal of talk about Clinton’s behavior.
November 28, 2017 at 2:44 pm
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At what point was Clinton accused of rape by the public at large?
Bill Clinton’s rape allegations were NEVER focused on.
And even liberal sites are trying to say they were wrong in hindsight, but really, it’s because they want to go after Trump, and they know they blew it before.
You tried to catch me in a fact distortion then attempted one yourself? Monica Lewinsky didn’t damage Bill Clinton, even though he lied about it. If we are talking about the times, Bob Dole was ruined by the cheating allegations against him. Bill wasn’t, and namely, it was the lying that people hated. His rape allegations were mocked publicly by liberal sources until very recently.
If you had paid attention, Alex Jones has been raving about these rape allegations, and both sides have told him to shut up about it, for a decade.
I’m very well versed politically, and you are going to have to do better to catch me in a fallacy.
November 28, 2017 at 3:37 pm
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Also, Trump even brought up the rape allegations and Hillary destroying the reputation of those who had accused Bill during the campaign.
If it was focused on hardcore, why is it that the media did not run a campaign of news about it during the 2016 election regarding Hillary’s actions being deplorable, and why didn’t they take Bill Clinton’s rape allegations seriously? Eh?
The fact here is that the democrats want anything they can to bring down Trump. That’s it. The toxicity has backfired, as now republicans have grown equally as fierce, and I have told many of them to stop it. This will only end with constant warring sides or a civil war. I do not like it, on either side.
November 20, 2017 at 3:27 pm
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..and Roy in Alabama. He was using14 years olds for his pleasure and even in Alabama where consent is 16 thatmakes him a pedophile.
You mean the picture that shows his hands hovering over, but not touching her breasts, which were covered by clothes and a flack jacket, while he was smiling? While it was in bad taste, it does not prove actual groping.
However, our president did admit to what 16 women have accused him of doing.
If you want to just keep giving pedophiles, sexual assailants, and predators a pass, regardless of the mounds of evidence, due to their political affiliation, go ahead. I am sure that is what Jesus would do.
November 21, 2017 at 2:47 pm
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Tragically comical:
Those affiliated with the left continue to be outwardly rejected and in some cases arrested. Those affiliated with the right are outwardly ignored and elected.
November 21, 2017 at 4:06 pm
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“You mean the picture that shows his hands hovering over, but not touching her breasts, which were covered by clothes and a flack jacket, while he was smiling? While it was in bad taste, it does not prove actual groping. ”
Oh my God, yeah, totally, even picture evidence can be explained away, while then you go to a statement Trump said, and then mislead what he said, to say it verifies what other women have said Trump have done.
“However, our president did admit to what 16 women have accused him of doing.”
No he didn’t, he said women want to be grabbed, and he was clearly talking about in the dating scene. Unless you are a total fool, and have never been out to date women at clubs, you know what he’s talking about, and have seen men who talk like him, and those men are not pedophiles. They are “players”. They target the women who are easy. They aren’t good men. But when they say women want to be touched, they are right. And if they ever misjudged that, they would be stupid, but calling it assault is a gross disqualification of what sexual assault is. I have had numerous women touch me when they thought it was right. Did they sexually assault me? No. This risks demonizing both genders, and is actually dangerous.
“If you want to just keep giving pedophiles, sexual assailants, and predators a pass,”
As per above, none of what you just said was pedophiles, or predators, none proven at all,
“regardless of the mounds of evidence, due to their political affiliation,”
See above, it doesn’t have to do with Trump’s political leaning. It has to do with you over playing your hand to jail everyone you don’t like, in the name of false equivalency, while giving passes to photo graphic evidence,
“go ahead. I am sure that is what Jesus would do.”
You are not on the side of Jesus, and I’m sure you quote how bad the religious right are all the time. I’ve seen you.
November 21, 2017 at 4:33 pm
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And I will re-emphasize this for the 50th time, since I keep getting accused of sexually assaulting women:
Because I was afraid of this very thing you are perpetuating, even at a young age (or I should say I wanted to respect women) I never touched a woman. Never. I never kissed first, I never hugged first.
This actually harms women too. How many women have you heard say “He won’t make a move”. One woman I kid you not, got mad, and said “you should have just #@%@#ed me.” to start a relationship, and was going around having sex with other guys behind my back while I was trying to get the relationship started. This was less than a month in. This was not the only time. So society tells men like Trump to make a move if the mood is right, and then says if you make a move and the woman wasn’t ready, it’s sexual assault. Not a mistake, not a misread, sexual assault. Then men don’t want to touch women, and the majority of women, want the man who touches them at the right time.
So weak men like you come around, and technically me. We don’t touch women. Women hate it, we live life safe, women live life not getting their 50 shades of gray type of scenario (ok, most women don’t go that far, I’m exaggerating on that one for affect and humor).
The solution is not to call out men like Trump who say he grabs women who want him to. It isn’t to compare them to pedophiles, and potential rapists.
I literally at multiple points had scenarios that were insane when I didn’t act.
Ok here is a list:
I was 22, a woman was on top of me who wanted to lose her virginity. I still couldn’t be sure with this woman grinding on me she wanted me to go forward and take off her pants. I didn’t want her to feel violated. She wouldn’t take her mouth off me so it’s not like I could ask. If I went for it and she said no, would that have been considered assault? I’m betting yes, because later people would have made her feel she was ignorant and she would have rather felt I violated her than feel she made a mistake. And I find this is often the case.
Another woman when I was 22 put a blanket over me, and started touching me in front of my brother. It was obvious, I don’t know what the heck she was thinking. I kept taking her hands off me, and I finally just said stop it, and left the room. I thought she was stupid, but I didn’t really feel violated. Picture if I was a woman, what would have happened. She misread the situation, and had horrible trauma in her life, she doesn’t deserve jail, or to be called a potential rapist, she deserved redirection.
One of my other brother’s friends was similar, this was before I really learned to say no. We actually had sex. I really didn’t want to. Was that also assault?
I went dancing and a girl was grinding up against me mid dance because she was interested. This was a friend of a friend. However, I really wanted a relationship to start off the dance floor. Because I didn’t make a move, her friend lambasted me, and the woman thought I was a wuss and went on to date other men.
And the list goes on. I could go into more.
People find their way in life, and when they talk about it, they often talk about it very poorly, especially sexual experiences I have found. Women included.
Trump’s comment on a video is not an issue. We have no evidence to think he’s a rapist as of yet, and it’s dangerous to say his comment means he is. This will label so many men as rapists who simply aren’t, and create a tidal wave of over reactions to small misjudgments on the part of men. It has already happened in some nations, in which men jailed for sexual assault has sky rocketed, and when you look up some of these, and I have, the reason is often so ignorant I cannot believe it. Some countries even have 6 month to 1 year jail times for cat calling. I kid you not!
We have got to end that, and when you have sexual assault convictions that much higher than the U.S. I do not think they all should have been convicted. I think we are demonizing men and sexuality.
I looked at a GIF that really proved the point. At IGN supposedly an editor flirted with a female co worker. She never really said no, he touched her arm once, and once he said he wished he could live out going all night again. He was oddly attracted to her, and an idiot. That is not sexual assault, and he was fired, and IGN recently apologized for failing by having him there. Then someone on the board posted Naomi, shaking her butt at one of the parties.
Was that sexual violation to all men there? If the men had said “ooow!” or “wow you’re sexy” would that have been sexual assault?
Female sexuality, good. Male shows attraction to a woman there stupidly, fire him, and go for sexual assault charges right?
That’s what we’re heading toward because of how people like you are reacting to Trump. You are pushing this, over playing your hand, and more, and more, and more, people are being fired, coming out, saying me too, to ignorant things like this with IGN, starting a gender war, and depriving women as well I might add of a man who will pursue her.
No, I do not mean sexually assault. I am leaving open human error, human issues, the human condition. If someone were to pursue past the point of no, they are a scumbag who should be jailed. However, getting to the point of a no, is not sexual assault, or should not be.
November 28, 2017 at 7:15 pm
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“Those affiliated with the right are outwardly ignored and elected.”
Which is why Bill Clinton was elected, and Bob Dole was rejected.
If there is any pattern on this at all, it is the left gets off more than the right. However, I said “if at all”. It’s barely a thing on either side.
November 30, 2017 at 2:05 pm
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So I did find a bit of a list of politicians on WIKI.
Most the politicians left or right resign, especially when there is credible evidence. There are very few exceptions.
In recent history when looking through this, Roy Moore and Donald Trump are the only two republicans I see on this list that are accused of something serious (one is accused of sending naked pictures, not that he assaulted someone, and it was recent so he might still resign) who did not resign, on the side of democrats we have refusals from Mel Reynolds who only resigned when convicted, and Al Franken. In terms of not having a career ruined by allegations this appears equal. As to which party has more accusations, yes, it is numerically more republicans. However, we are also talking a minority of either side. Also, yes, republicans have higher standards and are more likely to call out their senators and congressmen, and clearly, considering there were more accusations and only 2 since 1999 refused to drop out or resign, vs less accusations with 2 refusing to drop out or resign, we can state that democrats proportionately were less likely to remove themselves, and they were less likely to be targeted, and, everything you just said was against the facts on politicians. I also see these as some of the least likely accusations with regards to Trump and Moore as a side note. I have said this already: We should not treat accusations and allegations as categorically true or reasons to fire and resign on either side of the spectrum, and on this I am fair. Proven accusations should be dealt with. Ones that are not should not.
I should also note that several republicans outside of politicians are ruined by these types of things. It is not a party thing whether or not someone is. The only people I have seen get off from such a thing until now were democrats (Bill Clinton was the first president to go unharmed by this, and people were ticked off about that back in the day, and now these same people who didn’t take it seriously with Bill want retribution against Trump, that is the hypocrisy)
This is a tool for you and your side, nothing more. And it is spiraling out of control. I’ve shown examples where things went too far, because people want to fight Trump, and believe he’s causing sexual assaults to be normal, people are picking battles that are nonsensical. The IGN matter I mentioned shouldn’t be a matter, and the women there have been caught on tape shaking their rears in front of men. Again I ask: Was this unsolicited sexual event assault?
If a male as a result tried to pursue her would it be assault?
The case at IGN was a guy touched a girl’s arm. Touched her arm and said something with insinuation he wanted her, after before saying she was beautiful for God’s sakes. I call that ignorant, but moves, but NOT assault.
We are going to damage women in this too. I have a sister who complained in her 40’s that men will not pursue her. They won’t touch her, and she hates it. She doesn’t want CA state yes means yes laws (affirmative verbal consent required before any sexual advancements or even kissing).
What you are doing is starting a war that has begun to demonize how relationships start. Men are already checking out. The numbers are there, they are turning to porn and video games. They don’t want to be a part of the junk your side is causing. I guess congrats on causing the world to be a prude after accusing conservatives of being like some total sexual control freaks and prudes who control people’s sexuality. Liberals astound me.
“I call that ignorant, but moves, but NOT assault.”
*Bad moves
Not but.
November 17, 2017 at 4:43 pm
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Many years ago, the EEOC pick-up my case and turned it into a class-action suit against my employer. I was training men who had less experience and education than me and they were making more money than me. I WAS TRAINING THEM!!! They were pad more because the carrier classified women as clerks and men as underwriters. These men backed me up, testifying that they made more money, and I thank them. I will always be grateful to the EEOC too.
If you actually took the time to read and comprehend her post, MadDog went to the EEOC, not directly to the lawyer.
Either way, she was made whole in the end. Whether or not she could have realized the same result, or even better, on her own (highly unlikely), is impossible to know for sure. What is indisputable is that she appears to be happy with the result.
Dave, I am waiting for the entire list of Congressman to be published for all their wrong doing and money being paid to victims on our tax dollars. Conyers is just the tip of the ice berg. Who authorized these payments? Once this comes out, all sitting Congressmen or Senators should be run out of town on a rail, tarred and feathered and prosecuted for their conduct.
You will never stop sexual harassment in Hollywood. There are 2 reasons for this, the first is that there are so many people willing to sell themselves for fame. I worked in the movie business for 20 years, and I have heard young, attractive women literally say “I would let the director crap in my mouth for a speaking part in this movie”. I have seen extras proudly proclaim that they were going to try to give the 2nd AD oral sex in exchange for a SAG Voucher (A Sag Voucher is a Union timesheet for day work, you need to work 3 days on a SAG voucher to be eligible to join SAG).
The 2nd reason there will always be sexual harassment in Hollywood is because Hollywood is eyeball deep in nepotism. So many people are given power that they did not earn, and do not deserve.
When you combine ignorant people with a history of getting what they want, (yet don’t deserve), and a large percentage of people willing to offer their bodies and sexual favors in exchange for what they want, you end up with people in power who think everyone should be willing to do give them sexual favors for the things they have to offer.
And, when you have people that are willing to trade sexual favors for fame, it not a stretch to consider that these people also understand that if the fame they receive isn’t as good as they hoped for, then they will turn their willing offer into a sexual harassment claim as a way of demanding their “payment” back for inadequate service.
One way to stop it is convicting high profile offenders like Slick Willie and Al Franken and sending them off to join inmates behind bars.
not to mention trumpster and his p…y grabing ways
Indeed, our president did admit to sexual assault and did admit to ogling undressed teenage girls backstage of his Miss Teen USA pageants.
And, Roy Moore has an easier path to the US senate than he does walking the mall in Gadsen.
“Indeed, our president did admit to sexual assault”
No he didn’t. When he is talking about women who want to be grabbed he is not talking about violation. This would be equal to people in my age group talking about how when they dance with women, women want them to grab them. It’s all about where you go, and these women do exist.
“and did admit to ogling undressed teenage girls backstage of his Miss Teen USA pageants.”
As much as you don’t like this, what he did in this scenario would not be illegal.
Now, in the name of consistency: No. We should not punish people we have no evidence for like Clinton. When I say no evidence I should qualify this.
How do we charge a case? It is not, though some feminists have succeeded in making it this way for College scenarios, preponderance of evidence, it is not, people came forward with oral testimony, (Bill Clinton) it would be physical evidence. Pictures of the assault, DNA, significant witnesses of the rape, etc. Bill Clinton should not be tried for the reason that the evidence is not there. This behavior on both sides needs to stop, just because you don’t like someone, doesn’t mean they should be criminally tried for everything under the sun. Now, while I don’t think Bill should be tried for that, I DO think Hillary should have been punished for the email scenario, or, the laws should have been changed for people in the military who have been punished for this (peons get the terrible treatment I suppose) so that we from now on treat everyone fairly. Either she should be in jail, or anyone in jail should be out, and the standard needs to be changed immediately.
Public allegations in 2016 of unwanted physical contact by our president – key word – unwanted:
Jessica Leeds (1980s)
Kristin Anderson (1990s)
Cathy Heller (1997)
Temple Taggart McDowell (1997)
Karena Virginia (1998)
Mindy McGillivray (2003)
Rachel Crooks (2005)
Natasha Stoynoff (2005)
Jessica Drake (2006)
Ninni Laaksonen (2006)
Burnett’s unnamed friend (2010)
Cassandra Searles (2013)
Allegations of pageant dressing room visits:
Miss Teen USA contestants
Bridget Sullivan (2000)
Tasha Dixon (2001)
Unnamed contestants (2001)
Samantha Holvey (2006)
But, hey, no worries, the party of family values must have misplaced their collective moral compass on the way to the voting booths.
The subject at hand is sexual misconduct, correct? So, how does this NOT qualify? When asked about his pageants, POTUS bragged, “You know they’re standing there with no clothes. Is everybody okay? And you see these incredible women. And so I sort of get away with things like that.”
Why is there a concerted effort to censor the truth out here?
Correct; you shouldn’t mention someone who said something and did so in response to baiting by a liberal who was fired for doing so. The People don’t believe that matters in the bigger scheme of things. But Libitterals are using it out of frustration with their humiliating loss, 232-306.
Please don’t forget Trump, unless you think all women who accuse Democrats are telling the truth but believe all those who accuse Republicans are lying, which I bet you do
When will the court case by those women occur? Inquiring minds who don’t read/ listen to PBS, NPR, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, Huff & Puff POSt, etc. want to know.
Confused,
Don’t you find it totally revolting our president admitted to purposely heading into the dressing rooms backstage of his Miss USA Teen pageants to look at the birthday suited contestants, some of whom were as young as 14? I think the president’s daughter stated it best, “There is a special place in hell for people who prey on children.” Yep, and her father will find himself relocated there some day.
Read this one fast, the 2 censors out here will be asking to have this truth deleted.
It is your side that typically does this. Ergo why Clinton was never focused on in this, whereas Trump is constantly talked about as if he is proven to have done sexual assault.
Focus on the other side. Your weakness is solely focusing on the right. I just told the right to knock it off, but I had to tell the left where they were wrong too.
What you just said by the way was clearly you clapping for yourself. That’s it, nothing more. It’s very frustrating to see things like that. You don’t know what virtue is.
Clinton was never focused on? I’m very confused by this comment; to the best of my recollection, there was a great deal of talk about Clinton’s behavior.
At what point was Clinton accused of rape by the public at large?
Bill Clinton’s rape allegations were NEVER focused on.
And even liberal sites are trying to say they were wrong in hindsight, but really, it’s because they want to go after Trump, and they know they blew it before.
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/11/reckoning-with-bill-clintons-sex-crimes/545729/
You tried to catch me in a fact distortion then attempted one yourself? Monica Lewinsky didn’t damage Bill Clinton, even though he lied about it. If we are talking about the times, Bob Dole was ruined by the cheating allegations against him. Bill wasn’t, and namely, it was the lying that people hated. His rape allegations were mocked publicly by liberal sources until very recently.
If you had paid attention, Alex Jones has been raving about these rape allegations, and both sides have told him to shut up about it, for a decade.
I’m very well versed politically, and you are going to have to do better to catch me in a fallacy.
Also, Trump even brought up the rape allegations and Hillary destroying the reputation of those who had accused Bill during the campaign.
If it was focused on hardcore, why is it that the media did not run a campaign of news about it during the 2016 election regarding Hillary’s actions being deplorable, and why didn’t they take Bill Clinton’s rape allegations seriously? Eh?
The fact here is that the democrats want anything they can to bring down Trump. That’s it. The toxicity has backfired, as now republicans have grown equally as fierce, and I have told many of them to stop it. This will only end with constant warring sides or a civil war. I do not like it, on either side.
..and Roy in Alabama. He was using14 years olds for his pleasure and even in Alabama where consent is 16 thatmakes him a pedophile.
He was?! Where did you see pics of that, like the Al Frenchin’ pics?
You mean the picture that shows his hands hovering over, but not touching her breasts, which were covered by clothes and a flack jacket, while he was smiling? While it was in bad taste, it does not prove actual groping.
However, our president did admit to what 16 women have accused him of doing.
If you want to just keep giving pedophiles, sexual assailants, and predators a pass, regardless of the mounds of evidence, due to their political affiliation, go ahead. I am sure that is what Jesus would do.
Tragically comical:
Those affiliated with the left continue to be outwardly rejected and in some cases arrested. Those affiliated with the right are outwardly ignored and elected.
“You mean the picture that shows his hands hovering over, but not touching her breasts, which were covered by clothes and a flack jacket, while he was smiling? While it was in bad taste, it does not prove actual groping. ”
Oh my God, yeah, totally, even picture evidence can be explained away, while then you go to a statement Trump said, and then mislead what he said, to say it verifies what other women have said Trump have done.
“However, our president did admit to what 16 women have accused him of doing.”
No he didn’t, he said women want to be grabbed, and he was clearly talking about in the dating scene. Unless you are a total fool, and have never been out to date women at clubs, you know what he’s talking about, and have seen men who talk like him, and those men are not pedophiles. They are “players”. They target the women who are easy. They aren’t good men. But when they say women want to be touched, they are right. And if they ever misjudged that, they would be stupid, but calling it assault is a gross disqualification of what sexual assault is. I have had numerous women touch me when they thought it was right. Did they sexually assault me? No. This risks demonizing both genders, and is actually dangerous.
“If you want to just keep giving pedophiles, sexual assailants, and predators a pass,”
As per above, none of what you just said was pedophiles, or predators, none proven at all,
“regardless of the mounds of evidence, due to their political affiliation,”
See above, it doesn’t have to do with Trump’s political leaning. It has to do with you over playing your hand to jail everyone you don’t like, in the name of false equivalency, while giving passes to photo graphic evidence,
“go ahead. I am sure that is what Jesus would do.”
You are not on the side of Jesus, and I’m sure you quote how bad the religious right are all the time. I’ve seen you.
And I will re-emphasize this for the 50th time, since I keep getting accused of sexually assaulting women:
Because I was afraid of this very thing you are perpetuating, even at a young age (or I should say I wanted to respect women) I never touched a woman. Never. I never kissed first, I never hugged first.
This actually harms women too. How many women have you heard say “He won’t make a move”. One woman I kid you not, got mad, and said “you should have just #@%@#ed me.” to start a relationship, and was going around having sex with other guys behind my back while I was trying to get the relationship started. This was less than a month in. This was not the only time. So society tells men like Trump to make a move if the mood is right, and then says if you make a move and the woman wasn’t ready, it’s sexual assault. Not a mistake, not a misread, sexual assault. Then men don’t want to touch women, and the majority of women, want the man who touches them at the right time.
So weak men like you come around, and technically me. We don’t touch women. Women hate it, we live life safe, women live life not getting their 50 shades of gray type of scenario (ok, most women don’t go that far, I’m exaggerating on that one for affect and humor).
The solution is not to call out men like Trump who say he grabs women who want him to. It isn’t to compare them to pedophiles, and potential rapists.
I literally at multiple points had scenarios that were insane when I didn’t act.
Ok here is a list:
I was 22, a woman was on top of me who wanted to lose her virginity. I still couldn’t be sure with this woman grinding on me she wanted me to go forward and take off her pants. I didn’t want her to feel violated. She wouldn’t take her mouth off me so it’s not like I could ask. If I went for it and she said no, would that have been considered assault? I’m betting yes, because later people would have made her feel she was ignorant and she would have rather felt I violated her than feel she made a mistake. And I find this is often the case.
Another woman when I was 22 put a blanket over me, and started touching me in front of my brother. It was obvious, I don’t know what the heck she was thinking. I kept taking her hands off me, and I finally just said stop it, and left the room. I thought she was stupid, but I didn’t really feel violated. Picture if I was a woman, what would have happened. She misread the situation, and had horrible trauma in her life, she doesn’t deserve jail, or to be called a potential rapist, she deserved redirection.
One of my other brother’s friends was similar, this was before I really learned to say no. We actually had sex. I really didn’t want to. Was that also assault?
I went dancing and a girl was grinding up against me mid dance because she was interested. This was a friend of a friend. However, I really wanted a relationship to start off the dance floor. Because I didn’t make a move, her friend lambasted me, and the woman thought I was a wuss and went on to date other men.
And the list goes on. I could go into more.
People find their way in life, and when they talk about it, they often talk about it very poorly, especially sexual experiences I have found. Women included.
Trump’s comment on a video is not an issue. We have no evidence to think he’s a rapist as of yet, and it’s dangerous to say his comment means he is. This will label so many men as rapists who simply aren’t, and create a tidal wave of over reactions to small misjudgments on the part of men. It has already happened in some nations, in which men jailed for sexual assault has sky rocketed, and when you look up some of these, and I have, the reason is often so ignorant I cannot believe it. Some countries even have 6 month to 1 year jail times for cat calling. I kid you not!
We have got to end that, and when you have sexual assault convictions that much higher than the U.S. I do not think they all should have been convicted. I think we are demonizing men and sexuality.
I looked at a GIF that really proved the point. At IGN supposedly an editor flirted with a female co worker. She never really said no, he touched her arm once, and once he said he wished he could live out going all night again. He was oddly attracted to her, and an idiot. That is not sexual assault, and he was fired, and IGN recently apologized for failing by having him there. Then someone on the board posted Naomi, shaking her butt at one of the parties.
Was that sexual violation to all men there? If the men had said “ooow!” or “wow you’re sexy” would that have been sexual assault?
Female sexuality, good. Male shows attraction to a woman there stupidly, fire him, and go for sexual assault charges right?
That’s what we’re heading toward because of how people like you are reacting to Trump. You are pushing this, over playing your hand, and more, and more, and more, people are being fired, coming out, saying me too, to ignorant things like this with IGN, starting a gender war, and depriving women as well I might add of a man who will pursue her.
No, I do not mean sexually assault. I am leaving open human error, human issues, the human condition. If someone were to pursue past the point of no, they are a scumbag who should be jailed. However, getting to the point of a no, is not sexual assault, or should not be.
“Those affiliated with the right are outwardly ignored and elected.”
Which is why Bill Clinton was elected, and Bob Dole was rejected.
If there is any pattern on this at all, it is the left gets off more than the right. However, I said “if at all”. It’s barely a thing on either side.
So I did find a bit of a list of politicians on WIKI.
Most the politicians left or right resign, especially when there is credible evidence. There are very few exceptions.
In recent history when looking through this, Roy Moore and Donald Trump are the only two republicans I see on this list that are accused of something serious (one is accused of sending naked pictures, not that he assaulted someone, and it was recent so he might still resign) who did not resign, on the side of democrats we have refusals from Mel Reynolds who only resigned when convicted, and Al Franken. In terms of not having a career ruined by allegations this appears equal. As to which party has more accusations, yes, it is numerically more republicans. However, we are also talking a minority of either side. Also, yes, republicans have higher standards and are more likely to call out their senators and congressmen, and clearly, considering there were more accusations and only 2 since 1999 refused to drop out or resign, vs less accusations with 2 refusing to drop out or resign, we can state that democrats proportionately were less likely to remove themselves, and they were less likely to be targeted, and, everything you just said was against the facts on politicians. I also see these as some of the least likely accusations with regards to Trump and Moore as a side note. I have said this already: We should not treat accusations and allegations as categorically true or reasons to fire and resign on either side of the spectrum, and on this I am fair. Proven accusations should be dealt with. Ones that are not should not.
I should also note that several republicans outside of politicians are ruined by these types of things. It is not a party thing whether or not someone is. The only people I have seen get off from such a thing until now were democrats (Bill Clinton was the first president to go unharmed by this, and people were ticked off about that back in the day, and now these same people who didn’t take it seriously with Bill want retribution against Trump, that is the hypocrisy)
This is a tool for you and your side, nothing more. And it is spiraling out of control. I’ve shown examples where things went too far, because people want to fight Trump, and believe he’s causing sexual assaults to be normal, people are picking battles that are nonsensical. The IGN matter I mentioned shouldn’t be a matter, and the women there have been caught on tape shaking their rears in front of men. Again I ask: Was this unsolicited sexual event assault?
If a male as a result tried to pursue her would it be assault?
The case at IGN was a guy touched a girl’s arm. Touched her arm and said something with insinuation he wanted her, after before saying she was beautiful for God’s sakes. I call that ignorant, but moves, but NOT assault.
We are going to damage women in this too. I have a sister who complained in her 40’s that men will not pursue her. They won’t touch her, and she hates it. She doesn’t want CA state yes means yes laws (affirmative verbal consent required before any sexual advancements or even kissing).
What you are doing is starting a war that has begun to demonize how relationships start. Men are already checking out. The numbers are there, they are turning to porn and video games. They don’t want to be a part of the junk your side is causing. I guess congrats on causing the world to be a prude after accusing conservatives of being like some total sexual control freaks and prudes who control people’s sexuality. Liberals astound me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_sex_scandals_in_the_United_States
Forgot the link.
“I call that ignorant, but moves, but NOT assault.”
*Bad moves
Not but.
Many years ago, the EEOC pick-up my case and turned it into a class-action suit against my employer. I was training men who had less experience and education than me and they were making more money than me. I WAS TRAINING THEM!!! They were pad more because the carrier classified women as clerks and men as underwriters. These men backed me up, testifying that they made more money, and I thank them. I will always be grateful to the EEOC too.
How much money did you get on that Class Action Mad Dog? I bet your lawyers did much better.
The lawyers always make out better in any lawsuit
Lawyers typically get 1/3 of an award. You do the math… and discover your mistake.
If you actually took the time to read and comprehend her post, MadDog went to the EEOC, not directly to the lawyer.
Either way, she was made whole in the end. Whether or not she could have realized the same result, or even better, on her own (highly unlikely), is impossible to know for sure. What is indisputable is that she appears to be happy with the result.
I know! Let’s make it illegal! Oh, wait…
Dave, I am waiting for the entire list of Congressman to be published for all their wrong doing and money being paid to victims on our tax dollars. Conyers is just the tip of the ice berg. Who authorized these payments? Once this comes out, all sitting Congressmen or Senators should be run out of town on a rail, tarred and feathered and prosecuted for their conduct.
Please, IJ – at least spell words in the title correctly. Viewpoint, not Viewpont.