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Go Ahead and Start a Climate Change Debate at the Thanksgiving Table

By | November 22, 2017

  • November 22, 2017 at 8:45 am
    the downvoter says:
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    Great writing, but no thanks… We have a strict “No Politics” rule at our table for Thanksgiving. It’s a time to enjoy each other’s company while we still have it, remember those who used to have a seat at the table but are no longer with us, and give thanks for our many blessings this year.

    Now pass the mashed potatoes and remember kids, THAT’S DADDY’S DRUMSTICK!

    • November 22, 2017 at 10:43 am
      Doug Fisher says:
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      Likewise.

      No politics at the dinner table, no hurt feelings. Come as you are and be accepted. Politics can wait until later.

    • November 22, 2017 at 1:15 pm
      wayne smith says:
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      But wait, climate change is all about science, not politics. That’s why climate change needs PR and to be debated, because science has settled it.

      Being completely sarcastic.

      If anyone brings up a hoax at our table, they will be asked to cease or leave. We aren’t debating the existing of aliens either at our table.

      • November 22, 2017 at 1:42 pm
        UW says:
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        Your right, there isn’t a lot to debate as far as climate change is concerned, only the politics of why people, predominantly conservatives, deny the work of almost 100% of climate scientists and their published work.

        The real reason not to discuss it is because for these people it’s a religion and the only thing that can possibly change their mind is personal experience.

        People who say not to discuss politics or religion are bores. Don’t discuss the most important, all-encompassing topics, stick to the Kardashians and people running a football 2 yards up the middle over and over, for 11 minutes in a 3 hour block. Boring, uninteresting and unintelligent.

  • November 22, 2017 at 12:30 pm
    PolarBeaRepeal says:
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    Why is such an article being hosted by IJ?

    • November 22, 2017 at 1:04 pm
      Doug Fisher says:
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      Slow news day. Holiday week. :P

    • November 22, 2017 at 2:15 pm
      Agent says:
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      Polar, before I forget it, Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.

      I am thankful that I don’t have any of those Global Warming hoaxer freaks anywhere in my family, therefore the subject will not come up.

      • November 27, 2017 at 10:37 am
        Karl says:
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        Agent, you beat me to saying the same thing. “Man caused” climate change is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated. The hubris required to believe that man can cause the earth’s climate to change is incredible.

    • November 22, 2017 at 2:16 pm
      Perplexed says:
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      Because IJ has to have at least 3 climate change articles per week lately. They will not let it lie.

      • November 29, 2017 at 11:12 am
        Agent says:
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        Perplexed, I am perplexed that IJ is so committed to pushing an agenda which has been proven to be false.

    • November 22, 2017 at 7:03 pm
      PolarBeaRepeal says:
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      @Agent; thanks for the well wishes, and you too have a nice holiday!

      I am thankful for the turn round in our nation, set in motion a little over a year ago. Prosperity and freedom will be restored, along with better relations between groups of people who were previously divided by politicians seeking more power. We all need to be patient as the inertia in The Swamp means the changes will take more time than most of us would prefer. In the long run, we will see the benefits of hard work and dedication to family and friends. Peace, and a piece of pie to you!

  • November 22, 2017 at 12:33 pm
    lisa mccrummen says:
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    I don’t think climate change is political. That’s like saying the weather is political. Or saying it’s political to talk about how a forest fire starts. If you have relatives that don’t understand the connection (don’t believe there’s a connection) between dropping a lit match in a dry forest in August, and the out of control fire that takes place afterwards – you’d want to educate them, right?

    • November 22, 2017 at 7:05 pm
      PolarBeaRepeal says:
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      It is political because politicians want to control citizens’ choices and usurp freedoms through taxation of our carbon emissions that they SAY causes significant changes in the global climate.

      • November 28, 2017 at 1:25 pm
        Don't Call Me Shirley says:
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        Well, maybe you can educate us on the healthy benefits of air pollution. Ready…steady…go!

  • November 22, 2017 at 12:55 pm
    lisa mccrummen says:
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    I’d possibly frame this in a different way. I don’t think climate change is political – that’s like saying the weather is political. Or saying it’s political to talk about how a forest fire starts. If you have relatives that don’t understand the connection (don’t believe there’s a connection) between dropping a lit match in a dry forest in August, and the out of control fire that takes place afterwards – you’d want to educate them, right? That’s the same with climate change – I’d suggest a brainstorm during Thanksgiving about the clean energy future and why America is better off if we embrace it now.

    • November 22, 2017 at 7:10 pm
      PolarBeaRepeal says:
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      Tell all of that to China. Let us know the response you receive.

      There is NO cause & effect relationship established between humankind actions and significant Global Climate Change. I challenge you to present CREDIBLE EVIDENCE THAT DOESN’T USE CENSORED OR ALTERED DATA of such cause & effect relationship. Suggesting the FOREVER ONGOING climate change on Earth is an effect of humankind’s actions is parallel to dropping a match on dry leaves in a forest resulting in a forest fire is completely wrong and misguided.

      • November 26, 2017 at 4:28 pm
        UW says:
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        This isn’t political – China China China!!!

      • November 26, 2017 at 4:30 pm
        UW says:
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        Keep in mind he lied about having a degree in statistics and couldn’t explain simple averages when he writes about fake data. Hey, just like fake news! Weird

        • November 27, 2017 at 11:09 am
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          Speaking of fake data and credibility, the article says

          “Most of the world wants green energy, according to a recently released survey of more than 26,000 people in 13 nations.”

          HAHAHA…MOST of the world??? Based on a sampling of 26,000 people out of 7.5 BILLION. That is .0000034666 which is less than 3.5 millionth of a percent. This is the epitome of how they arrive at the “dreadful” global warming that is taking place. Not to mention that it is being blamed on human activity and not natural causes.

          The change, like the poll, is statistically not credible.

          • November 28, 2017 at 1:01 pm
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            You have no information to decide if the sample is flawed based just on the size. But that has nothing to do with the actual science, although you pretend it does. It’s religion, nothing can or will change your mind.

      • November 28, 2017 at 1:31 pm
        Don't Call Me Shirley says:
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        China is surpassing us in solar energy. Meanwhile, the conservatives in this country want to go backward while the rest of the world is moving forward. China is learning from their mistakes with regard to burning coal. You apparently want us to continue to make those mistakes, which would cause this country to experience what China has experienced, where you can barely breathe the air. Gee, you’re a real rocket scientist.

        • November 29, 2017 at 11:09 am
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          Gee, I wonder why China continues to build coal fired plants by the dozen. They said they wouldn’t even start working on reducing pollution until 2030.

  • November 22, 2017 at 1:24 pm
    Bill Price says:
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    Ask Auntie Sue how she likes the way NOAA misrepresents most all Climate Info.
    – NOAA pix Shows Arctic Ocean Ice Free. (Look at Google Earth NOAA pix)
    – NOAA Ice Core Data Graph reversed imply CO2 forces Temp to rise.
    – NOAA Temperature Gauges were improperly located to record artificial Warming, and moved without control of record.
    BP

  • November 22, 2017 at 1:39 pm
    Barry Rabkin says:
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    If I was visiting relatives for Thanksgiving and any person started a conversation about Climate Change, I would leave their home and drive to the nearest restaurant … for a relaxing meal without strife or bickering. (And no, I didn’t vote for Trump. And yes, I think Climate Change is happening and has been been happening as the planet was formed, while it was forming, and since it was formed.)

  • November 22, 2017 at 2:07 pm
    Captain Planet says:
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    No deniers at our table, nothing to debate. We will probably talk about how just 10-15 and + years ago we’d have to clear the snow from the ground before setting up the turkey fryer. Winter coats and layers to stay warm for the couple hours we babysat the bird. And now, during the last 4-5 years, we’ve been getting the tailgate games out, maybe a light jacket, and talking about golfing the next day. 50’s forecasted for early December again this year. Looks like I’ll have at least 24 straight months of playing golf in the state of Iowa. Crazy! Back when I was a kid, the clubs would have gone to the basement in mid to late October.

  • November 22, 2017 at 3:18 pm
    Greg Duclos says:
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    I’m surprised to see article here, as there are three times more facts saying that’s not a smart move. Think back to late 60′ – the Vietnam war topic comes up during Thanks Giving meal. Today the old establishment believes that Climate Change is not an important issue. Why do they and the masses believe this? It’s because pride gets in the way of seeing the facts. You put a mouse in a maze and trained it to go out of door #2. Now you change the door number and they will change their thinking. Now do that to a human, and they will always pick door #2. Human’s are not stupid, right? Pride.
    Now for this article to be here and we do bring up this topic doing the family event, who will win? Oil and Gas industry. They win another few years with let’s debate this, again. Why invest today in new building protection when the insurance company will pay for it later.

  • November 22, 2017 at 6:59 pm
    Earthy says:
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    The Earth is the center of the Solar system. The Earth is the most powerful thing in the Solar System. The earth warms the Sun.

    The Sun is an ever expanding ball of gas.

    • November 29, 2017 at 11:06 am
      Agent says:
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      Smoking a bit of that weed Earthy? I will say that the Sun may have a lot to do with climate change on earth. The sun spots, eruptions going on do emit a lot of radiation which ends up hitting earth and causing problems.

  • November 22, 2017 at 7:15 pm
    PolarBeaRepeal says:
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    I’ll bring firewood on my iceberg as I visit relatives who may want to start a fire to warm up… despite carbon emissions that will ensue. If anyone objects, I’ll ask if they traveled to the gathering in a fossil fuel powered auto, or a commercial or private jet. :)

  • November 25, 2017 at 8:34 pm
    PolarBeaRepeal says:
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    Someone on my Christmas card list was nice enough to send me this link … which presents a concise summary of the main Climate Hoax prediction ‘disappointments’ ( note that I did not say lies, errors, failures, etc. – because the projections could still happen… centuries from now, when we’ll all be carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, calcium, sodium, calcium, phosphorus, potassium… atoms:

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/11/25/after-30-years-alarmists-are-still-predicting-a-global-warming-apocalypse/

    Here is an excerpt of the list they present and discuss in some detail:

    1. Apocalyptic warnings on repeat.
    2. The planet will be “uninhabitable” by the end of the [20th] century.
    3. Prince Charles’s global warming deadline passed…and nothing happened.
    4. ‘Ice Apocalypse’ Now.
    5. 2015 is the ‘last effective opportunity’ to stop catastrophic warming.
    6. France’s foreign minister said we only have “500 days” to stop “climate chaos”. {Sacre Bleu! Mon Dieu!}
    7. Former President Barack Obama is the last chance to stop global warming.
    8. Remember when we had “hours” to stop global warming?
    9. United Kingdom Prime Minister Gordon Brown said there was only 50 days left to save Earth.
    10. The U.N.’s top climate scientist said in 2007 we only had four years to save the world.
    11. Environmentalists warned in 2002 the world had a decade to go green.
    12. Global warming apocalypse 1980s edition.

    Ok, Climate Hoax Believers; go ahead and attack the author’s credibility, or try to persuade everyone that the host website, Daily Caller, is biased toward Conservatives. The simple rebuttal is that the above list and the attached article link are the words and projections of ClimApocalypsers, and were not made up by Conservatives.

    • November 25, 2017 at 8:38 pm
      PolarBeaRepeal says:
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      Note: { } and [ ] above contain editorial comments.

      • November 30, 2017 at 10:51 am
        Agent says:
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        Polar, Newsflash! The Energy Department published a report that shows Global Warming has not changed in the past 23 years. Used satellite technology. Your ice berg is safe and no need to worry about it melting and causing the ocean to rise.

    • November 27, 2017 at 3:55 pm
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      Polar, your article was one of the best I have seen. I am sure the true believers will down vote you ad nauseum.

      • November 28, 2017 at 1:04 pm
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        True, very funny that The Onion put this out pretending anybody was still stupid enough to buy any of these disproven claims over the actual science. The Ice Age one was particularly hilarious. Almost as funny as when some people here pretend to be imbeciles who believe The Farmer’s Almanac over modern science and meteorologists. Hilarious!

        • November 28, 2017 at 3:51 pm
          Agent says:
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          The Farmer’s Almanac has proven to be far more accurate than the disgraced scientists predicting doom for our planet with their false science. Good thing there are smart people with common sense to put down that lying rhetoric.

          • November 28, 2017 at 5:53 pm
            UW says:
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            Lol. Provide a source, please. When you take money and advise clients on risk is that just your personal advice or that of your firm too?

          • December 4, 2017 at 4:35 am
            UW says:
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            Thought so.

    • November 28, 2017 at 1:35 pm
      Don't Call Me Shirley says:
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      Yeah, and that whole “round earth” thing was a hoax too, right?

  • November 27, 2017 at 5:01 pm
    Craig Cornell says:
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    The article starts out fair enough. People we like and respect can have the most influence on us. Then the real goal is made clear:

    “So, if we want to see increased climate change concern among Americans, we can’t expect scientists and opinion leaders, sometimes viewed as political actors, to do all of the work.”

    But who says we want to INCREASE concern. Perhaps we want more accurate reports on the science of Climate Change, even if that leads some people to be LESS concerned.

    Also this, ““For the first time in history, green energy is now cheaper than black energy,” the survey states. “The world now has a unique opportunity to create a world that runs entirely on green energy.”

    Well then PLEASE stop all subsidies immediately, especially tax credits for rich people who buy Teslas. (But of course, green energy is NOT really cheaper than black energy when you include natural gas. But Truth is not on the menu when we eat Green Religion now, is it?)

    • November 27, 2017 at 5:04 pm
      Agent says:
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      Craig, when you recharge a Tesla, where does the electricity come from to re-charge it? Windmill on the roof of the owner? Not terribly reliable I am told.

      • November 28, 2017 at 1:39 pm
        Don't Call Me Shirley says:
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        Agent, thanks for making the case that power plants should run on green energy. I agree that when you recharge a Tesla, the electricity should come from cleaner energy.

        • November 29, 2017 at 11:02 am
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          Drill baby drill, oil, natural gas and forget all about algae, cow dung and all the other idiotic things tried by Progressives. Use Clean Coal technology to get the coal industry going again. Eliminate 10,000 old EPA regulations that have strangled industry for the past 8 years. What a colossal waste of taxpayer money to subsidize green energy.

          • December 4, 2017 at 4:36 am
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            There’s no such thing as clean coal.

  • November 28, 2017 at 1:47 pm
    J.S. says:
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    All the arguments here are funny. Not one person amongst you has a BS in Science, much less a PHD in any Science, much less a PHD in Climate Science. And here you all are spouting off your opinions like they mean something. This is a scientific problem NOT a political problem so I don’t listen to any of your political opinions. I don’t claim to know if the climate scientists are correct, I don’t have the background to truly understand. But for now, with them being in 97% agreement, my guess is that’s is what’s most likely to be true.

    • November 28, 2017 at 3:14 pm
      Doug Fisher says:
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      You have awoken the bobkraken. Await his pages and pages and pages of writings.

      Prepare to be called a villain for trusting in the overwhelming agreement from the scientific community, as well as…you know…the world at large.

    • November 29, 2017 at 2:06 pm
      Craig Cornell says:
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      Since you are not a scientist, you might take the time to check out that laughable, totally-discredited “97%” claim.

      Then again, like most people, you probably don’t take the Climate Change hysteria seriously enough to do anything about it personally.

      In reality: we are ALL deniers in our behavior.

      • December 4, 2017 at 4:39 am
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        A recent work looked at the 3% not confirming climate change in the 97% claim and found that they had mathematical and/or data errors, and when corrected also confirmed the climate change hypothesis. But you don’t know that, because it wasn’t on Breitbart.

  • November 28, 2017 at 2:44 pm
    Dave says:
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    If we don’t produce sufficient CO2, how will we be able to reforest the planet

    • November 28, 2017 at 4:02 pm
      Doug Fisher says:
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      LOL. Good comment!

      Almost as funny as Jack Kanauph’s comment on global warming a few months back “Everyone could turn on the A/C in their cars and leave the windows rolled down.” I hadn’t laughed that hard in a while.

      • December 1, 2017 at 4:16 pm
        Agent says:
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        We laugh at all your comments Doug.

    • November 28, 2017 at 5:20 pm
      Agent says:
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      Dave, the tree huggers will smother the trees so they can’t possibly thrive, especially with less C02.

  • November 28, 2017 at 3:06 pm
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    Released methane, from under the oceans, would be the tipping point.



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