This is largely due to CHOICE, not government removing coverage that some think is a right.
The choice is partially affected by the Death Spiral of ACA, which was INTENTIONALLY caused by architects of that disaster… to lead to Single Slayer, er, Single Delayer, er, Single Payer Socialistic Health Insurance.
(Anticipated) Removal of the mandate is the key reason some choose to not insure. Hooray for freedom to chose under the current administration rather than the out of control Federal Government acting in a manner that violated the US Constitution!
People could choose not to be insured under the failed ACA, they just had to pay $695 per adult (plus $347.50 for every child) or 2.5 percent of their household income. That’s a choice. Not a very good one, but still a choice nonetheless
If you think a choice forced by the Federal Govt is OK, then Trump’s Administration should issue an executive order that creates a bajillion dollar TAX penalty if you heat your house with natural sources such as solar power or aquathermal. If you heat with oil or coal or natural gas or fuel cells, you’re good; i.e. no tax penalty. Howzat for choices?
I am giving an analogy to help you understand this highly complex issue. Be thankful I am providing edification.
January 18, 2018 at 2:06 pm
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Coercive choice is not choice. If I threaten to steal $500 from you if you don’t buy insurance, and I give it to all my friends, and you instead buy insurance, because I threatened your livelihood, did you choose to buy insurance, or was your choice inhibited?
Change the $500 to threats of jail and violence. Ultimately, that is what it will come to. The government will jail you and knock down your door if you don’t pay for it.
For some reason the government gets rights individuals do not in this regard, because you have allowed it. It’s tyranny.
“because you have allowed it.” I have? That’s news to me! I didn’t know I was involved in drafting and voting and implementing the ACA. Huh. Must’ve been sleep-walking that whole time.
So filing taxes, owing the gov’t money, but not paying it, must also be a form of tyranny because they will threaten to put you in jail until you pay up, right?
” I have? That’s news to me! I didn’t know I was involved in drafting and voting and implementing the ACA. Huh. Must’ve been sleep-walking that whole time.”
You’ve been active in the political sense and just above tried to justify it. Do you believe that society and individuals don’t shape society? You don’t convince people what you said?
“So filing taxes, owing the gov’t money, but not paying it, must also be a form of tyranny because they will threaten to put you in jail until you pay up, right?”
False equivalency. I take items one by one. And yes, is the answer. Our current government is tyrannical. Governments are by nature. This is why the founding fathers wanted people keeping the government in order, not vice versa. The government shouldn’t be trying to affect lifestyle choices especially with regards to fees. Making the argument that because you supposedly have an option of a fee from your government that they must therefore not be coercive is a false one, or that you therefore have choice, is a false one. Agent’s argument is valid. Yours is not. I now you don’t like that, but deal with it.
January 22, 2018 at 8:06 am
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Yes, you allowed it by voting for those politicians who act in that manner.
January 19, 2018 at 3:42 pm
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Actually, the recently-repealed Section 5000A of the tax code specifically said in subsection (g) that criminal prosecution nor penalties could be levied against someone who failed to pay the tax penalty for not carrying insurance. It also prohibited the IRS from filing liens and levies against that person’s property.
There was never going to be jail or violence against someone who didn’t carry health insurance, but that wouldn’t make nearly as good a right wing talking point.
Everybody keep in mind Yogi, man of a thousand names, didn’t know what a death spiral was, said it was because of how he defined it, and based on everything he’s ever shown here, hasn’t bothered to get informed on it. The ACA wasn’t in a death spiral, but he thinks it makes him an informed so he uses it to copy and paste his same old, tired lies.
Actually, ACA was/is in a death spiral………..surely you can see that ?? It was the victim of adverse selection and didn’t have a chance of making it on it’s own. Without government intervention, ACA was never and will never be successful.
With government intervention, it is nothing but socialized medicine.
You’re wasting your time trying to convince him. He’s been repeating the same thing about the Death Spiral for months now. … it’s his approach to try to discredit those whose opinions/ facts contrast with his opinions / facts.
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Republicans are trying to force it into failure and a death spiral, not they haven’t succeeded yet and if they do it certainly does not mean the bill was a failure in policy terms resulting in a death spiral.
Yogi STFU you are clueless. You proved multiple times you don’t know what a death spiral is and even said your argument was based on how you define it. It’s very questionable you even work in insurance, or at all. My guess is Social Security, but for Wells Media as others have guessed is possible too. Regardless, you don’t know what you are talking about. Now rant away, ready, set, go!
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The ACA wasn’t in a death spiral? So, what do you call a situation when lower-rated, former policyholders non-renew, and prices for the residual portfolio rises, leading to complete collapse of the market?
If you wish to have a ‘right’ to health care, immediately move to a country where that is true, because the US doesn’t adopt rules and rights that Libitterals want to impose on others without the legal right to do so.
January 22, 2018 at 3:40 pm
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Not a right winger-If health care is a basic human right as you put it why is it a right now and not 200 years ago? There certainly have been Physician’s for quite some time now, but up until recently in all societies, the individual requiring the services paid for them not society as a whole. Can you please help this uninformed deplorable understand what changed that now makes health care a right?
January 23, 2018 at 2:30 pm
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mr bob, You’re a person with a different view on health care than I have, not a deplorable. Regarding your question, I would hazard a guess that James Madison was more concerned with establishing rights that had been usurped by the King of England when he wrote the Bill of Rights. Couple that with the challenges of establishing a functioning country, westward expansion, the calamitous Civil War, the ensuing recovery from the war, and I think it’s likely that healthcare didn’t make the top of anyone’s priorities. Also, the state of the medical practice in the 18th and 19th centuries was such that, if people went to hospitals at all, they went there to die. It wasn’t until the turn of the 20th century that hospitals became places for effective treatment. Coincidentally, Theodore Roosevelt first proposed national health insurance in his 1912 presidential campaign. I would think it was around that time that some in society began to see health care as a right and not just another consumer good.
In modern times, it is simply not possible for the average American to finance his or her own health care, not when a simple appendectomy can cost up to $35,000. People need health insurance, and a study that was in the news recently said that one-quarter of full-time employees do not have employer provided health insurance. The USA is a wealthy and compassionate country, and we as a whole are not content to watch people suffer or die when treatments are available. That’s why people hold fundraisers to help out friends and neighbors with serious illnesses and injuries.
These are the reasons that I see health care as a right. I don’t expect I’ve changed your mind, but hopefully my explanation makes sense.
January 17, 2018 at 2:24 pm
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Apparently so Jack when we get our once or twice a month blast by the left promoting the biggest legislative disaster in American history. They have some true believers at IJ and I am not sure I want to renew my subscription.
FFA, the lie that keeps getting Democrats is the Keep your Coverage, Keep your Doctor and the biggest whopper Obama said of saving $2,500 per year on the cost for a typical family. Said it 28 times in major speeches across the country. This was long before Donald Trump ever committed to run for President. Progressive Socialist Democrats thought they could deceive the American people and it caught up to them.
By the way, the news keeps getting better on the economic front. Apple is bringing back that off shore money, paying a legitimate tax which will bring in $38 billion and still have a lot of money to invest in the USA. That is exactly what they were waiting for and didn’t get the prior 8 years of the anti-business Obama Administration.
I tell ya agent…. Too many people in this world are failing to realize they got sucked into the Illinois way. How could anyone not see this mess (the current political climate) coming? Vote for an IL politician to sit in the White House. Why????
Meanwhile, Trump with his twitter account… He is not going to be remembered for his Record Setting Lowest ever Unemployment Rate, the records the financial markets are setting, the Job Creation pace we are on, opening up small business to the same exemption that big business has (as it pertains to health care), giving us our freedom of choice back, as well as cutting down Illegal Immigration, Deporting the ILLEGALS, and anything else.
His f’n twitter account. My advice to him – Shut your mouth and do your job.
Getting back to mine as all of a sudden, I am quoting new business all day long again. Funny how that picked up after the tax law was passed. But that Trump and his twitter, blah blah blah.
The total jobs created in December were lower than the previous 3 Decembers. The last calendar year had fewer jobs created overall, and on average per month than the previous 6 years.
Insurance premiums increased by less than forecasted without Obamacare,with more people covered.
Nobody who is even remotely serious or informed can take conservatives seriously anymore.
UW, why don’t you go tell that to the 30,000 people that have jobs in Dec that didn’t in November. See if they care what happen Dec 2016 & 2014 and so forth.
I don’t buy into “forecasts” especially of they are done by the Govt. They certainly don’t take into account the spike in OOP expense since OBama Care brought around the never ending Co Pay. Ill take a higher premium any day of the week to know where my expenses will actually stop. We used to call it a Stop Loss.
What a partisan hack. Black unemployment is at the lowest point ever under Trump. Hispanic unemployment is at it’s lowest point ever. New claims for unemployment are at a 45 year low. Fortune 500 companies are moving jobs back to America by the thousands due to the Tax Bill. (I guess Apple is just a shill for Trump now.) Millions of low wage workers are getting bonuses and wage increases attributed directly to the Tax Bill.
And in February, 80% of American workers will see higher wages due to the Tax Bill. I can’t wait to hear liberals tell us then how horrible the Tax Bill is. And wages for working class people are already going up for the first time in over 17 years.
Why didn’t Obama do any of that? Liberals cry about an increase in the debt of 1. 5 trillion due to the tax cuts (and only if growth remains an Obama-like 2.4%). If growth grows by 2.8%, there is NO added debt due to the tax cuts. And what is growth tracking right now? Hello?
But Obama is the king on one thing: he added over 9 trillion in Debt. And liberals said nothing while he did it. Obama’s Presidency had the lowest continuous interest rates of ANY President ever and saw the Federal Reserve increase Treasury purchases by 4 Trillion (with a T)! Who couldn’t stimulate the economy in that scenario? But Obama could never exceed 2% growth in any single year, the worst showing of any President since WWII.
Goodbye, Obamacare. Everybody knows it is just a matter of time. Nobody wants to be told what kind of insurance to buy, just like nobody wants to be told what kind of food to buy. Especially when the insurance keeps going up in price every year after we were told by Obama it would “save every family $2,500. per year.”
Please list all of the things President Trump did that directly lead to the lower unemployment numbers for African and Latino Americans?
Whenever decreasing unemployment numbers were cited the 8 years prior to Trump, the right would question the numbers and say it was due to people that stopped looking for jobs. They also liked to bring up the lower Labor participation Rate, which is the exact same now as it was 1 year ago.
In addition, where was the praise for President Obama in 2016 when more jobs were created than in 2017?
There’s this thing called Search Engines. Try one.
January 22, 2018 at 10:55 am
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Psst; people are confident in TrumPresident and are starting to look for work again, after many years of unemployment or underemployment. And, they’re FINDING quality, high pay jobs, not min wage entry level jobs for under 30 hours a week.
January 22, 2018 at 10:58 am
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I did search and found NOTHING.
“And, they’re FINDING quality, high pay jobs, not min wage entry level jobs for under 30 hours a week.”
Please cite your source.
January 22, 2018 at 2:02 pm
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Maybe you missed the news. Multiple Fortune 500 companies announced (loudly) they were bringing jobs back to America after Trump shamed them in early 2017. Apple announced last week they expected to hire 20,000 in the US. They directly attributed this to the Tax Bill, as did multiple other corporations giving out bonuses and wage increases.
Oh why waste my breath. You love the debt of Obama, right?
January 22, 2018 at 2:06 pm
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Craig,
“Multiple Fortune 500 companies announced (loudly) they were bringing jobs back to America after Trump shamed them in early 2017. Apple announced last week they expected to hire 20,000 in the US. They directly attributed this to the Tax Bill, as did multiple other corporations giving out bonuses and wage increases.”
And I have applauded him for these results. However, if President Trump did not do anything to specifically lower the unemployment rate of certain demographics, then that talking point needs to go away.
Get it now?
January 22, 2018 at 4:25 pm
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When the employment situation improves for all Americans, it improves for Americans who are Hispanic, black, white, Chinese . . .
Get it now? Did it improve for these people beyond where it was under Obama? Yes.
January 23, 2018 at 7:42 am
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“When the employment situation improves for all Americans, it improves for Americans who are Hispanic, black, white, Chinese . . .”
I agree. My issue is that our president is going out of his way to identify certain demographics as if he did something special just for those groups. It is pandering and disingenuous.
He keeps proving time and again that he is more concerned about his image and catering to his base than being the leader of the whole US.
January 22, 2018 at 8:37 am
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Unemployment may be reaching a ‘floor’ rate, thus new jobs will have to wait for the effects of the TRA-17 to kick in. Corporate capital currently in overseas domiciled companies will be repatriated for use by the US domiciled companies that are part of global conglomerates. Jobs will grow in late Spring.
Apple is repatriating $350B from overseas, and creating jobs in the USA. I think I previously reported $250B… if so, bear culpa. Other companies are doing similar repatriations of their capital currently deployed overseas in what was a lower tax rate environment; e.g. Ireland. Hooray for TRA-17!
What does the following have to do with a decline in insured between 2016 and 2017, which is during Obama presidency enrollment period?
“Republicans have so far failed to make good on President Donald Trump’s campaign promise to end Obamacare, but they repealed the so-called individual mandate, or requirement that most Americans purchase health insurance or else pay a fine, in a tax bill that passed in December. “
The cost for not having insurance was minimal compared to the cost of having insurance. Take away the mandate and it’s no surprise many are foregoing. It’s sad that so many who previously qualified for low cost or subsidized healthcare no longer do; but the government does not owe it to anyone, and the cost is unbearable.
Continue to cut costs here:
1) shut off all phone lines to India where they call people on medicare here and offer pain relief in exchange for their medicare billing/ss #
2) reduce the workday length so people are not so stressed out that they need drugs to cope or to offset the resulting medical bills that occur — start with 7.5 hours and see if that helps
3)audit more health care payments to check for fraud — all payors would have random audits — not that expensive to do this if done with coordination between medical people and auditors — this might catch some of the chit that goes on before it gets too expensive or ruinous. it’s like in the old days we did phantom payroll audits — auditors pull the payroll check and wait and see if the actual person showed up or not —- is this actually a medically necessary charge —- (work out privacy issues)
4) make it harder to sue for damages for health care workers not running every test ever known to mankind
5) continue the review of overuse and abuse of drugs/pharmacy —– (this could be 1000 pages of analysis)
etc… etc…
This is largely due to CHOICE, not government removing coverage that some think is a right.
The choice is partially affected by the Death Spiral of ACA, which was INTENTIONALLY caused by architects of that disaster… to lead to Single Slayer, er, Single Delayer, er, Single Payer Socialistic Health Insurance.
(Anticipated) Removal of the mandate is the key reason some choose to not insure. Hooray for freedom to chose under the current administration rather than the out of control Federal Government acting in a manner that violated the US Constitution!
People could choose not to be insured under the failed ACA, they just had to pay $695 per adult (plus $347.50 for every child) or 2.5 percent of their household income. That’s a choice. Not a very good one, but still a choice nonetheless
We’re talking about HI plan choices, not choices of tax penalties that violate the US Constitution.
Another Straw Man Argument, heading down a rabbit hole.
If you think a choice forced by the Federal Govt is OK, then Trump’s Administration should issue an executive order that creates a bajillion dollar TAX penalty if you heat your house with natural sources such as solar power or aquathermal. If you heat with oil or coal or natural gas or fuel cells, you’re good; i.e. no tax penalty. Howzat for choices?
We’re talking about HI plan choices, not tax penalties for sources of residential heat.
Another Straw Man Argument, heading down a rabbit hole.
I am giving an analogy to help you understand this highly complex issue. Be thankful I am providing edification.
Coercive choice is not choice. If I threaten to steal $500 from you if you don’t buy insurance, and I give it to all my friends, and you instead buy insurance, because I threatened your livelihood, did you choose to buy insurance, or was your choice inhibited?
Change the $500 to threats of jail and violence. Ultimately, that is what it will come to. The government will jail you and knock down your door if you don’t pay for it.
For some reason the government gets rights individuals do not in this regard, because you have allowed it. It’s tyranny.
“because you have allowed it.” I have? That’s news to me! I didn’t know I was involved in drafting and voting and implementing the ACA. Huh. Must’ve been sleep-walking that whole time.
So filing taxes, owing the gov’t money, but not paying it, must also be a form of tyranny because they will threaten to put you in jail until you pay up, right?
” I have? That’s news to me! I didn’t know I was involved in drafting and voting and implementing the ACA. Huh. Must’ve been sleep-walking that whole time.”
You’ve been active in the political sense and just above tried to justify it. Do you believe that society and individuals don’t shape society? You don’t convince people what you said?
“So filing taxes, owing the gov’t money, but not paying it, must also be a form of tyranny because they will threaten to put you in jail until you pay up, right?”
False equivalency. I take items one by one. And yes, is the answer. Our current government is tyrannical. Governments are by nature. This is why the founding fathers wanted people keeping the government in order, not vice versa. The government shouldn’t be trying to affect lifestyle choices especially with regards to fees. Making the argument that because you supposedly have an option of a fee from your government that they must therefore not be coercive is a false one, or that you therefore have choice, is a false one. Agent’s argument is valid. Yours is not. I now you don’t like that, but deal with it.
Yes, you allowed it by voting for those politicians who act in that manner.
Actually, the recently-repealed Section 5000A of the tax code specifically said in subsection (g) that criminal prosecution nor penalties could be levied against someone who failed to pay the tax penalty for not carrying insurance. It also prohibited the IRS from filing liens and levies against that person’s property.
There was never going to be jail or violence against someone who didn’t carry health insurance, but that wouldn’t make nearly as good a right wing talking point.
Everybody keep in mind Yogi, man of a thousand names, didn’t know what a death spiral was, said it was because of how he defined it, and based on everything he’s ever shown here, hasn’t bothered to get informed on it. The ACA wasn’t in a death spiral, but he thinks it makes him an informed so he uses it to copy and paste his same old, tired lies.
Actually, ACA was/is in a death spiral………..surely you can see that ?? It was the victim of adverse selection and didn’t have a chance of making it on it’s own. Without government intervention, ACA was never and will never be successful.
With government intervention, it is nothing but socialized medicine.
You’re wasting your time trying to convince him. He’s been repeating the same thing about the Death Spiral for months now. … it’s his approach to try to discredit those whose opinions/ facts contrast with his opinions / facts.
That’s not reality, although your attempt to redefine it, or base it on something that isn’t actually Obamacare is cute.
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Republicans are trying to force it into failure and a death spiral, not they haven’t succeeded yet and if they do it certainly does not mean the bill was a failure in policy terms resulting in a death spiral.
Yogi STFU you are clueless. You proved multiple times you don’t know what a death spiral is and even said your argument was based on how you define it. It’s very questionable you even work in insurance, or at all. My guess is Social Security, but for Wells Media as others have guessed is possible too. Regardless, you don’t know what you are talking about. Now rant away, ready, set, go!
I’m enjoying reading your fiction.
The ACA wasn’t in a death spiral? So, what do you call a situation when lower-rated, former policyholders non-renew, and prices for the residual portfolio rises, leading to complete collapse of the market?
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Your premise is flawed. Health care is a right.
Your understanding of the US Constitution is incorrect.
The US Constitution is not the sole source of human rights.
If you wish to have a ‘right’ to health care, immediately move to a country where that is true, because the US doesn’t adopt rules and rights that Libitterals want to impose on others without the legal right to do so.
Not a right winger-If health care is a basic human right as you put it why is it a right now and not 200 years ago? There certainly have been Physician’s for quite some time now, but up until recently in all societies, the individual requiring the services paid for them not society as a whole. Can you please help this uninformed deplorable understand what changed that now makes health care a right?
mr bob, You’re a person with a different view on health care than I have, not a deplorable. Regarding your question, I would hazard a guess that James Madison was more concerned with establishing rights that had been usurped by the King of England when he wrote the Bill of Rights. Couple that with the challenges of establishing a functioning country, westward expansion, the calamitous Civil War, the ensuing recovery from the war, and I think it’s likely that healthcare didn’t make the top of anyone’s priorities. Also, the state of the medical practice in the 18th and 19th centuries was such that, if people went to hospitals at all, they went there to die. It wasn’t until the turn of the 20th century that hospitals became places for effective treatment. Coincidentally, Theodore Roosevelt first proposed national health insurance in his 1912 presidential campaign. I would think it was around that time that some in society began to see health care as a right and not just another consumer good.
In modern times, it is simply not possible for the average American to finance his or her own health care, not when a simple appendectomy can cost up to $35,000. People need health insurance, and a study that was in the news recently said that one-quarter of full-time employees do not have employer provided health insurance. The USA is a wealthy and compassionate country, and we as a whole are not content to watch people suffer or die when treatments are available. That’s why people hold fundraisers to help out friends and neighbors with serious illnesses and injuries.
These are the reasons that I see health care as a right. I don’t expect I’ve changed your mind, but hopefully my explanation makes sense.
Apparently so Jack when we get our once or twice a month blast by the left promoting the biggest legislative disaster in American history. They have some true believers at IJ and I am not sure I want to renew my subscription.
Funny how they don’t cite affordable premiums, garbage networks, as well as horrible customer service as reasons people choose to not carry it.
Must be Trumps fault. I’m sure its was Obamas doing that brought about a jump in jobs this past year. 30,000 construction jobs alone in December.
FFA, the lie that keeps getting Democrats is the Keep your Coverage, Keep your Doctor and the biggest whopper Obama said of saving $2,500 per year on the cost for a typical family. Said it 28 times in major speeches across the country. This was long before Donald Trump ever committed to run for President. Progressive Socialist Democrats thought they could deceive the American people and it caught up to them.
By the way, the news keeps getting better on the economic front. Apple is bringing back that off shore money, paying a legitimate tax which will bring in $38 billion and still have a lot of money to invest in the USA. That is exactly what they were waiting for and didn’t get the prior 8 years of the anti-business Obama Administration.
I tell ya agent…. Too many people in this world are failing to realize they got sucked into the Illinois way. How could anyone not see this mess (the current political climate) coming? Vote for an IL politician to sit in the White House. Why????
Meanwhile, Trump with his twitter account… He is not going to be remembered for his Record Setting Lowest ever Unemployment Rate, the records the financial markets are setting, the Job Creation pace we are on, opening up small business to the same exemption that big business has (as it pertains to health care), giving us our freedom of choice back, as well as cutting down Illegal Immigration, Deporting the ILLEGALS, and anything else.
His f’n twitter account. My advice to him – Shut your mouth and do your job.
Getting back to mine as all of a sudden, I am quoting new business all day long again. Funny how that picked up after the tax law was passed. But that Trump and his twitter, blah blah blah.
The total jobs created in December were lower than the previous 3 Decembers. The last calendar year had fewer jobs created overall, and on average per month than the previous 6 years.
Insurance premiums increased by less than forecasted without Obamacare,with more people covered.
Nobody who is even remotely serious or informed can take conservatives seriously anymore.
UW, why don’t you go tell that to the 30,000 people that have jobs in Dec that didn’t in November. See if they care what happen Dec 2016 & 2014 and so forth.
I don’t buy into “forecasts” especially of they are done by the Govt. They certainly don’t take into account the spike in OOP expense since OBama Care brought around the never ending Co Pay. Ill take a higher premium any day of the week to know where my expenses will actually stop. We used to call it a Stop Loss.
What a partisan hack. Black unemployment is at the lowest point ever under Trump. Hispanic unemployment is at it’s lowest point ever. New claims for unemployment are at a 45 year low. Fortune 500 companies are moving jobs back to America by the thousands due to the Tax Bill. (I guess Apple is just a shill for Trump now.) Millions of low wage workers are getting bonuses and wage increases attributed directly to the Tax Bill.
And in February, 80% of American workers will see higher wages due to the Tax Bill. I can’t wait to hear liberals tell us then how horrible the Tax Bill is. And wages for working class people are already going up for the first time in over 17 years.
Why didn’t Obama do any of that? Liberals cry about an increase in the debt of 1. 5 trillion due to the tax cuts (and only if growth remains an Obama-like 2.4%). If growth grows by 2.8%, there is NO added debt due to the tax cuts. And what is growth tracking right now? Hello?
But Obama is the king on one thing: he added over 9 trillion in Debt. And liberals said nothing while he did it. Obama’s Presidency had the lowest continuous interest rates of ANY President ever and saw the Federal Reserve increase Treasury purchases by 4 Trillion (with a T)! Who couldn’t stimulate the economy in that scenario? But Obama could never exceed 2% growth in any single year, the worst showing of any President since WWII.
Goodbye, Obamacare. Everybody knows it is just a matter of time. Nobody wants to be told what kind of insurance to buy, just like nobody wants to be told what kind of food to buy. Especially when the insurance keeps going up in price every year after we were told by Obama it would “save every family $2,500. per year.”
Craig,
Please list all of the things President Trump did that directly lead to the lower unemployment numbers for African and Latino Americans?
Whenever decreasing unemployment numbers were cited the 8 years prior to Trump, the right would question the numbers and say it was due to people that stopped looking for jobs. They also liked to bring up the lower Labor participation Rate, which is the exact same now as it was 1 year ago.
In addition, where was the praise for President Obama in 2016 when more jobs were created than in 2017?
There’s this thing called Search Engines. Try one.
Psst; people are confident in TrumPresident and are starting to look for work again, after many years of unemployment or underemployment. And, they’re FINDING quality, high pay jobs, not min wage entry level jobs for under 30 hours a week.
I did search and found NOTHING.
“And, they’re FINDING quality, high pay jobs, not min wage entry level jobs for under 30 hours a week.”
Please cite your source.
Maybe you missed the news. Multiple Fortune 500 companies announced (loudly) they were bringing jobs back to America after Trump shamed them in early 2017. Apple announced last week they expected to hire 20,000 in the US. They directly attributed this to the Tax Bill, as did multiple other corporations giving out bonuses and wage increases.
Oh why waste my breath. You love the debt of Obama, right?
Craig,
“Multiple Fortune 500 companies announced (loudly) they were bringing jobs back to America after Trump shamed them in early 2017. Apple announced last week they expected to hire 20,000 in the US. They directly attributed this to the Tax Bill, as did multiple other corporations giving out bonuses and wage increases.”
And I have applauded him for these results. However, if President Trump did not do anything to specifically lower the unemployment rate of certain demographics, then that talking point needs to go away.
Get it now?
When the employment situation improves for all Americans, it improves for Americans who are Hispanic, black, white, Chinese . . .
Get it now? Did it improve for these people beyond where it was under Obama? Yes.
“When the employment situation improves for all Americans, it improves for Americans who are Hispanic, black, white, Chinese . . .”
I agree. My issue is that our president is going out of his way to identify certain demographics as if he did something special just for those groups. It is pandering and disingenuous.
He keeps proving time and again that he is more concerned about his image and catering to his base than being the leader of the whole US.
Unemployment may be reaching a ‘floor’ rate, thus new jobs will have to wait for the effects of the TRA-17 to kick in. Corporate capital currently in overseas domiciled companies will be repatriated for use by the US domiciled companies that are part of global conglomerates. Jobs will grow in late Spring.
Apple is repatriating $350B from overseas, and creating jobs in the USA. I think I previously reported $250B… if so, bear culpa. Other companies are doing similar repatriations of their capital currently deployed overseas in what was a lower tax rate environment; e.g. Ireland. Hooray for TRA-17!
This is great news.
What does the following have to do with a decline in insured between 2016 and 2017, which is during Obama presidency enrollment period?
“Republicans have so far failed to make good on President Donald Trump’s campaign promise to end Obamacare, but they repealed the so-called individual mandate, or requirement that most Americans purchase health insurance or else pay a fine, in a tax bill that passed in December. “
The cost for not having insurance was minimal compared to the cost of having insurance. Take away the mandate and it’s no surprise many are foregoing. It’s sad that so many who previously qualified for low cost or subsidized healthcare no longer do; but the government does not owe it to anyone, and the cost is unbearable.
Continue to cut costs here:
1) shut off all phone lines to India where they call people on medicare here and offer pain relief in exchange for their medicare billing/ss #
2) reduce the workday length so people are not so stressed out that they need drugs to cope or to offset the resulting medical bills that occur — start with 7.5 hours and see if that helps
3)audit more health care payments to check for fraud — all payors would have random audits — not that expensive to do this if done with coordination between medical people and auditors — this might catch some of the chit that goes on before it gets too expensive or ruinous. it’s like in the old days we did phantom payroll audits — auditors pull the payroll check and wait and see if the actual person showed up or not —- is this actually a medically necessary charge —- (work out privacy issues)
4) make it harder to sue for damages for health care workers not running every test ever known to mankind
5) continue the review of overuse and abuse of drugs/pharmacy —– (this could be 1000 pages of analysis)
etc… etc…
This is the ‘CS’ part of “HEALTH CARE SPPECIFICCS” I’ve mentioned before. Cost Savings methods.