Medical Marijuana Gaining Favor as Treatment in Workers’ Compensation

By | February 23, 2018

  • February 23, 2018 at 8:16 am
    DNCs Coll(F)usion GPShip Strzok an IceberGowdy says:
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    • February 23, 2018 at 10:27 am
      helpingout says:
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      Hello,
      What about the people on pain killers that can also have severe side effects? I am not one for using any sort of substance before work, but I have to ask if you drink? If yes, do you go into work intoxicated? I understand that this is scary to some people, but this is again what they do in their free time. Trust is an important part of any healthy employer relationship and that is what is needed, if you do not trust someone do not hire them.

    • February 23, 2018 at 1:36 pm
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      DNCs Coll(F)usion GPShip Strzok an IceberGowdy says: “Med Pot is NOT the only treatment for pain.”

      Correct. There are other more harmful, more addictive, and more expensive treatments…

      • February 23, 2018 at 8:55 pm
        DNCs Coll(F)usion GPShip Strzok an IceberGowdy says:
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        You forgot to mention the less expensive, less addictive treatments. I didn’t.

    • February 23, 2018 at 1:52 pm
      FFA says:
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      It works. Less harmful to the body , the liver in particular. It can be used in pill form – no smoke. It can be used as a topical cream. Its better for the surrounding loved ones then the narcotics when it comes time to get off.

      The WDs off the narcotics are hell on everyone so pot does improve the quality of life for all involved. The high can be watered down to next to nothing but still have the pain relief.
      Have you ever experienced Roid Rage? Don’t happen with pot.
      You can keep beating that drum about medi pot. Until you have personal experience, you will never know for sure.

      • February 23, 2018 at 8:56 pm
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        • February 26, 2018 at 8:09 am
          Ron says:
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          More proof that you only care about yourself.

        • March 1, 2018 at 1:49 pm
          FFA says:
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          Regular pain meds do work. However, the WDs are come time to get off them are horrible on everyone in the house hold. Don’t get the WDs from pot. Not to mention the damage to the liver.

    • February 23, 2018 at 3:17 pm
      Agent says:
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      Back in the day, we saw cases where an employee would ride the claim as long as possible to keep on getting those drugs. I can only imagine this will create ever so many more Recreational Users after their medical payments stop from the claim. The stoners are going to cause a lot of problems for the employers. Should they have to continue to test them for Marijuana use? If they have a driver have an accident and he was high, that goes back on the employer. This is a big can of worms.

      • February 23, 2018 at 3:34 pm
        FFA says:
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        Its a big can of worms that needs to be noodled through. Pot can stay in the system for 30 days. As it sits right now, if you have pot in your system, your DUI if driving even if it was actually day # 29 since you smoked it. If the “high” has been taken out of the mix, then you would not get the increase in the recreational users as after the pain issues are resolved, no reason to use it. The fact that the WDs are much less of an issue is a big plus. Every time my wife came off the roids my house was hell on earth for everyone. Our wifes have the same medical issues dogging us. Im willing to try anything to get her back to at least 50% functional. when she smokes, she is much better off. She ends up with a high and don’t like it so its off the pot and back to bed.

        • February 23, 2018 at 5:08 pm
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          FFA, I like you and appreciate what your wife is going through since my wife has severe pain issues and 5 back operations, but she would never ever smoke Marijuana to relieve her pain. A smart pain management doctor prescribes other things and therapies. This article is about Workers Compensation, not personal pain issues.

          • February 23, 2018 at 5:16 pm
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            Agent,
            While their are other ways to mitigate pain, they also have side effects that are equal to or sometime worse than Cannabis. That is why it is an option. Again I am not saying there are no negative effects, because there are some, but the positives outweigh the negatives. The effects need to be studied further, but there is more recent positive research over negative research. On top of that there are many ways that Cannabis can be used safer compared to smoking it (not including vaporizing). Not only that there are some people who choose to use CBD in lieu of THC when the substance has a different effect on the body that does not make people “stoned” as you say.

          • February 23, 2018 at 5:23 pm
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            Its about Medical Marijuana and workers comp related issues. Pain Docs in this neck of the woods wont do Narcotics. Med Marijuana is moving through the system for approval up here as an alternative. Waiting on that can of worms. Il (surprise) hasn’t worked it all out and its been an acceptable form of pain relief for three years now.
            And yes, it opens up a whole can of worms way past Workers Comp. The topical Cream is a much better way the smoking it when you can find it. get the benefits of pain relief with out the high.

          • February 23, 2018 at 8:58 pm
            DNCs Coll(F)usion GPShip Strzok an IceberGowdy says:
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            @Helpingout; We are aware some meds have side effects. Some don’t. Do you need help, helpingout, in selecting the safest meds? Or, do you just want to go straight to pot? Let me guess…

          • March 1, 2018 at 1:55 pm
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            We did not go straight to pot. Its been many years of the narcotics. Many years of the steroids. Many days wondering what the effect on her liver is. When she was on the heavy RX of narcotics, every 4 months liver testing. Now, doc wont giver her the necessary dose to at bare minn keep her functional. She is in bed 16+ hours a day. Cant do laundry. Cant stand in the kitchen to cook. She gets some pot, she is at least up for about 10 hours a day being part of the family.

          • March 1, 2018 at 1:56 pm
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            To be clear, I am advocating for Medical Use, not recreational use.

      • February 23, 2018 at 3:47 pm
        helpingout says:
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        Agent,
        you generalize the whole other side as irresponsible and immature people who are abusing a substance. A lot of people use this relatively safely and responsibly? You should also refrain from using Marijuana because that started by the US in order to make Cannabis sound foreign (Hispanic). The same thing about going back on the employer could be said about drunk driving or being high on painkillers (isn’t there an epidemic in the US because of this). While I agree it can cause issues, it is still not more than the issues arising from Alcohol except one has more scientifically proven side effects.

        • February 23, 2018 at 3:58 pm
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          helpingout,
          Agent and Yogi are lost causes. They group weed in with heroin and meth. They simply do not understand and never will. Though, I appreciate your comments and know you are spot on.

          • February 23, 2018 at 5:18 pm
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            Captain,
            I know they are stuck in their way, but I just do not want others who come on this sight to only have the one sided rhetoric on this topic.

        • February 23, 2018 at 4:33 pm
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          Hey Helping, you are not helping at all. By the way, alcohol is not used as a pain killer for Workers Compensation injuries the last time I checked. There is a good reason why employers check employees for drug use which does include Marijuana/Cannabis They are liable if the driver is stoned and causes an at fault accident.

        • February 23, 2018 at 9:02 pm
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          • February 26, 2018 at 12:57 pm
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            DNC’s, if carriers allow this, then they will have to figure out how to treat Scromiting after heavy use of weed.

          • February 26, 2018 at 1:54 pm
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            Agent,
            One way to make sure this does not happen is through using either a vaporizer or a non-smoking relating way to use THC. Scromiting is a rare occurance which happens to those who smoke (through non-vaporized forms) THC. Again, more research needs to go into this in order to see get to the cause of this. Do people not scream after drinking too much, and is it not more common to find than this?

    • February 24, 2018 at 8:41 am
      DNCs Coll(F)usion GPShip Strzok an IceberGowdy says:
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      I wonder if stoner workers who somehow got past the drug screening process will begin / have begun to injure themselves at an increasing rate relative to non-stoner workers.

      Med Pot is NOT the only treatment for pain. I’m just throwin’ that out there for those who think Medi-pot is the med industry’s replacement for aspirin as a ‘wonder drug’. It isn’t, but may qualify as a ‘blunder’ drug.
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      • February 26, 2018 at 4:50 pm
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        Remember the business owner in Denver who had to move his operation to South Carolina because his workers were stoned, wouldn’t show up for work and when they did, were unproductive. Couldn’t run a business like that and went to greener pastures where the law was enforced and he could get clean employees who would show up for work, work hard and do good work.

        • February 27, 2018 at 9:09 am
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          I agree with the business owner not wanting to have his workers arrive to work stoned. No one should show up to work impaired by any substance. It wouldn’t be right for me to have a 3 martini lunch. It wouldn’t be right for a worker to be on a prescribed opiate and work machinery. Heck, diabetics can get DUIs if they aren’t regulating properly and quite a few diabetics are behind the wheel working in transportation. I can wait until the evening or the weekend to crack open a 90 Minute. Any state with legalization should have employees who can do the same before hitting the purple cush.

      • February 28, 2018 at 4:13 pm
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        Polar, every single case of Scromiting I have seen are all the heavy duty Recreational Users of Pot. Must be hard to treat one of these patients who alternate screaming and vomiting not to mention the mess they make in the exam room.
        I surveyed one of my WC carriers and they said they wouldn’t pay for Cannabis for pain. Sorry dude, you are on your own if that is what you want for your pain meds.

      • March 2, 2018 at 2:21 pm
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        It qualifies as an alternative when traditional drugs don’t get the job done.

  • February 25, 2018 at 6:00 pm
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    I love this part of the article:

    “The groundwork is there, said Allen, who noted that anecdotal evidence on medical marijuana suggests it may work in some cases. The problem is the drug’s side effects are largely unknown.

    “They talk about the pluses, we really don’t hear a lot about the minuses, and we know there are some out there,” Allen said, adding that THC may be most problematic aspect of marijuana.

    Pew explained that marijuana is the only drug with a self-guided dosage, with no real guidance from a doctor or pharmacist.”

    So, Pot may work in some cases. Or not. “The side effects are largely unknown.” You mean when potheads tell me pot has been used for thousands of years, they are making it up? “We don’t hear a lot about the minuses.” Well, ain’t THAT an understatement.

    “Self-guided dosage.” What kind of medicine is this, where the PATIENT is the doctor AND
    the pharmacist.

    Hey Doc! I don’t feel good. I need some time off and a fifth of Johnny Walker Blue, fast!

    • March 2, 2018 at 8:49 pm
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      Craig,

      Your positions on marijuana are deliberately ignorant based on your son’s (alleged and unfortunate) history with drug usage. Marijuana didn’t kill your son, though, and it doesn’t kill anyone else directly who uses it. If people want the actual, scientifically researched benefits of the plant, without the side-effects of getting high, they are free to use marijuana-derived medicines without THC. If they want to get high, though, they should be free to do that, too. We let people drink alcohol in America, and marijuana is far, far less dangerous than alcohol. But even if it weren’t that still wouldn’t matter, either.

      You know why? Because this is America, where no one should be told what they can and can’t do in their own homes and bedrooms as long as it doesn’t directly affect those around them.

      “Driving while intoxicated” doesn’t just mean by alcohol for a reason. It is wrong and disgusting no matter which substance is impairing your ability to concentrate safely on the road. Those who are caught high while driving should have the book thrown at them.

      Smoking a fatty, listening to Bob Marley while playing bongos naked in your own home? By all means, go right ahead. Maybe it will help you with your glaucoma at the same time. ;)

      on a side note, since you are obviously not black like you pretended to be on this site, how could we trust you about your son? There is only one Craig Cornell in California involved in insurance, and he did lose a son to tragic circumstances, but it was to suicide following years of depression, probably as a result of repeated brain trauma and CTE. Especially considering the lawsuits brought against Pop Warner by his mother after his untimely death.

      If that is you, and I have to think it is based on the overwhelming evidence, then I feel incredibly sorry for you. In part because I have two sons, who I will not allow to play football due to the now obvious link between head trauma and depression, suicide, and other disorders. I played in high school and definitely had at least two concussions I can vividly remember. Also, I feel sorry because I don’t see you in topics on here about CTE and head trauma, but yet here you are in every marijuana topic crapping it up with fake information, and pushing false narratives like no tomorrow. I don’t care to be flippant about your son’s death at all, I just don’t want to argue and discuss topics with someone being disingenuous.

      Weed will be legal within years across the country. It is on a collision course with the Bible Belt, who will fight it like they fought equality in the form of Gay Marriage, Minority Voting Rights, Interracial Relationships, Women Suffrage, and Slavery. But, like all reasonable things, they won’t be able to stop it because their children are already smoking weed, and as the Baby Boomers die out, those Gen Xers and Millenials will take over, and legalize it. No question or debate about it.



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