Would someone with more knowledge in these matters than myself please explain to me why it is that we need to have such complex legislation with so many factors in it rather than, a farm bill to aid farmers as the nation see fit, food stamp or SNAP as the politically correct call it. etc, etc. Would seem to my simple self that we could better serve everyone by having funding for each of the programs handled separately. Just my 2 cents.
A better question is why there are not more strict rules for Food Stamps, like a drug test, work requirements since the improved economy has provided more jobs. Why are Democrats still resisting everything good? Quick answer: They like people to be dependent on government so they can continue to get their votes. Sorry libs, that is the unvarnished truth.
No Agent, that’s not a better question… in fact, it’s totally unrelated to mrbob’s comment.
Nice attempt at turning this into yet another political debate. I hope the South is getting some nice weather this weekend, like us in the Northeast, to cheer your (seemingly miserable) self up.
@UW; both mrbob and Agent raised valid questions. Your opinion of their questions is another example of liberals trying to censor conservatives, in direct violation of US Constitutional rights. You are losing your war against Freedoms because US citizens are standing up to fight for their rights, and the news media now offers alternatives to Fake News CNN, BS-NBC, NPR, ABC, C-BS, etc.
“Your opinion of their questions is another example of liberals trying to censor conservatives”
Oh come on man. Someone posting they don’t like someone else’s comment is NOT an attempt to censor said argument. You’re grasping at straws trying to troll here. I hope nobody else feels the need to respond to your asinine comment.
April 16, 2018 at 10:31 am
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how is disagreement a form of censorship? We’ve been over this a few times: downvotes don’t mean someone’s trying to suppress your freedom of speech…it just means they disagree with you and don’t want to debate you because there’s no point: you don’t listen to the other side, you don’t admit when you’re wrong or Planet uses your own words to point out your hypocrisy, and you never apologize. That’s not a debate strategy, that’s what bullies do.
Be civil, treat people on this board with respect, make your point but be open to others, and you’ll be amazed at the response you get.
April 17, 2018 at 11:56 am
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@rosie and Sal; the reply by UW wasn’t a simple disagreement. UW wrote that it was unrelated / irrelevant to the discussion. In fact, it IS relevant to the receipt of Federal benefits. You two do not understand subtle propaganda disguised as ‘disagreement’. UW did not write ‘I disagree’; he wrote ‘irrelevant’, implying it should not be discussed in this comment section. The intent of UW is to harass Agent to the point he refrains from posting his conservative opinions. We all know means testing is a very relevant topic as regards receipt of welfare bennies.
April 17, 2018 at 12:12 pm
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Writing that a post is “irrelevant” does not result in the suppression of Agent’s post to the public eye. Agent, like you did, could simply post a reply explaining why UW may be wrong and that the original post was germane to the conversation.
Regardless, we all know Agent will post whatever he wants whenever he wants (as is his right to do so), so if UW was REALLY trying to censor him in the way you described, it would be a futile effort and a moot point.
April 17, 2018 at 9:15 pm
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@Rosenblatt: I and anyone else posting here DO NOT have to justify our comments as being valid. If that were the case, I and everyone else could simply create rabbit holes by questioning the relevance of ANYTHING ANYONE writes. It’s a waste of my time in this instance, but I will justify it; means testing lowers the cost of welfare payments supplied by US taxpayers. THAT is understood by anyone with an IQ over 80.
April 18, 2018 at 8:54 am
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Yogi–THERE. WERE. NEVER. ANY. BOTS. USED. Please show me your correspondence with the IJ stating there were, and if you do I’ll humbly and respectfully apologize.. There WAS an error which allowed people to downvote multiple times, but THAT’S IT. The IJ fixed it. NO. BOTS. to suggest otherwise is a paranoid conspiracy theory reminiscent of Alex Jones and Sean Hannity. I GUARANTEE you that if there are any BOTs out there used to “censor conservative voices,” they’re not going to go after the IJ because THIS IS A BUSINESS SITE. See my above comment as to why you and Agent get downvoted…IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BOTS.
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You know man … I was totally ready to respond to your post about means testing, but then you had to spoil your good post by ranting again about “BOTs” in your next post.
April 13, 2018 at 4:37 pm
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Yes, let’s drug test all those minors and disabled people who make up the majority of the SNAP program. Excellent use of taxpayer money.
Why don’t we drug test Wall Street? I guarantee you find more drugs in their pi$$ than you do in the SNAP program. Then, don’t stop at Wall Street, how about lawyers, doctors, the entertainment industry…you know, the people who can afford them. I’m pretty sure the single mom who is working 2+ jobs and still can’t support her family isn’t doing a line of blow on the bus in between jobs.
A better question is, why do you hate poor people so much?
Hey Platitude, the last time I checked, Wall Street people are not on Food Stamps, a Democratic based entitlement program paid for with taxes from the public. Pretty sure I am talking about the lazy, 95 million who have been drawing benefits for many years and refuse to work, watching their flat screens, getting all the assistance they can. They are good at asking for others to support them.
You can’t just throw that Hannity soundbite out there without fact checking it. But then again, since when do you care about those?
April 16, 2018 at 3:42 pm
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My mama….mama said….my…my mama said….
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@Platitude; neither Agent nor mrbob wrote anything about DENYING minors and disabled any benefits in current laws. Means testing is a term with which you are ignorant of, or are intentionally ignoring to suit your agenda. Yours is another Straw Man Argument, leading down yet another rabbit hole.
MARCH 26, 2018 AT 11:08 AM
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Don’t bother reading any of my posts. You wouldn’t understand them.
April 17, 2018 at 11:58 am
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@Platitude; your pastiche posts are ineffective at making any point other than ‘I don’t have a meaningful reply’.
April 13, 2018 at 2:35 pm
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Politics
By creating a large bill with many pieces, if you support one piece you have to vote for all pieces. Also when you run for re-election you tout your vote for that piece and say you had to vote for the whole package to get that piece. It is called political cover,
Individual bills are harder to pass.because then the individual votes are on record.
This is not about food stamps but if there is going to be blanket drug testing, let’s start with the politicians in Washington D.C., then the insurance industry, lawyers, etc.
Regarding food stamps, there are a lot of people on food stamps who are cheating the system – get rid of them. BUT- there are a lot of people/families who legitimately need assistance including some of our military families purchasing food in the military commissaries because the pay they get is not sufficient. They are not lazy and refusing to work, they are hard working people. The high and mighty have no idea what it means to be poor and resent them. Let’s take money from the politicians in Washington and the lobbyists and give it to the legitimate poor in this country…. and those who complain when they have more than enough for themselves.
I believe drug testing is to be applied to those receiving public assistance, in regard to this particular discussion. Lawyers and politicians need not be drug-tested; if their judgment is poor, it will be reflected in their executive performance or legislative votes. Voters will then ‘test’ their ability to serve again, as their terms end. I agree with your other points.
I think we would all like to see those that cheat the system removed from it. We all know it happens and I for one believe it happens a lot more than officially stated. Absolutely help those who need it and find a way to deal with those scamming the system. Drug testing doesn’t work when they know it is coming. I personally have no issue with it as I am tested for my job and I’d expect to be tested if I asked for benefits. I just want to see the fraud reduced so more is available to those who truly need it.
Would someone with more knowledge in these matters than myself please explain to me why it is that we need to have such complex legislation with so many factors in it rather than, a farm bill to aid farmers as the nation see fit, food stamp or SNAP as the politically correct call it. etc, etc. Would seem to my simple self that we could better serve everyone by having funding for each of the programs handled separately. Just my 2 cents.
A better question is why there are not more strict rules for Food Stamps, like a drug test, work requirements since the improved economy has provided more jobs. Why are Democrats still resisting everything good? Quick answer: They like people to be dependent on government so they can continue to get their votes. Sorry libs, that is the unvarnished truth.
No Agent, that’s not a better question… in fact, it’s totally unrelated to mrbob’s comment.
Nice attempt at turning this into yet another political debate. I hope the South is getting some nice weather this weekend, like us in the Northeast, to cheer your (seemingly miserable) self up.
@UW; both mrbob and Agent raised valid questions. Your opinion of their questions is another example of liberals trying to censor conservatives, in direct violation of US Constitutional rights. You are losing your war against Freedoms because US citizens are standing up to fight for their rights, and the news media now offers alternatives to Fake News CNN, BS-NBC, NPR, ABC, C-BS, etc.
“Your opinion of their questions is another example of liberals trying to censor conservatives”
Oh come on man. Someone posting they don’t like someone else’s comment is NOT an attempt to censor said argument. You’re grasping at straws trying to troll here. I hope nobody else feels the need to respond to your asinine comment.
how is disagreement a form of censorship? We’ve been over this a few times: downvotes don’t mean someone’s trying to suppress your freedom of speech…it just means they disagree with you and don’t want to debate you because there’s no point: you don’t listen to the other side, you don’t admit when you’re wrong or Planet uses your own words to point out your hypocrisy, and you never apologize. That’s not a debate strategy, that’s what bullies do.
Be civil, treat people on this board with respect, make your point but be open to others, and you’ll be amazed at the response you get.
@rosie and Sal; the reply by UW wasn’t a simple disagreement. UW wrote that it was unrelated / irrelevant to the discussion. In fact, it IS relevant to the receipt of Federal benefits. You two do not understand subtle propaganda disguised as ‘disagreement’. UW did not write ‘I disagree’; he wrote ‘irrelevant’, implying it should not be discussed in this comment section. The intent of UW is to harass Agent to the point he refrains from posting his conservative opinions. We all know means testing is a very relevant topic as regards receipt of welfare bennies.
Writing that a post is “irrelevant” does not result in the suppression of Agent’s post to the public eye. Agent, like you did, could simply post a reply explaining why UW may be wrong and that the original post was germane to the conversation.
Regardless, we all know Agent will post whatever he wants whenever he wants (as is his right to do so), so if UW was REALLY trying to censor him in the way you described, it would be a futile effort and a moot point.
@Rosenblatt: I and anyone else posting here DO NOT have to justify our comments as being valid. If that were the case, I and everyone else could simply create rabbit holes by questioning the relevance of ANYTHING ANYONE writes. It’s a waste of my time in this instance, but I will justify it; means testing lowers the cost of welfare payments supplied by US taxpayers. THAT is understood by anyone with an IQ over 80.
Yogi–THERE. WERE. NEVER. ANY. BOTS. USED. Please show me your correspondence with the IJ stating there were, and if you do I’ll humbly and respectfully apologize.. There WAS an error which allowed people to downvote multiple times, but THAT’S IT. The IJ fixed it. NO. BOTS. to suggest otherwise is a paranoid conspiracy theory reminiscent of Alex Jones and Sean Hannity. I GUARANTEE you that if there are any BOTs out there used to “censor conservative voices,” they’re not going to go after the IJ because THIS IS A BUSINESS SITE. See my above comment as to why you and Agent get downvoted…IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BOTS.
You know man … I was totally ready to respond to your post about means testing, but then you had to spoil your good post by ranting again about “BOTs” in your next post.
Yes, let’s drug test all those minors and disabled people who make up the majority of the SNAP program. Excellent use of taxpayer money.
Why don’t we drug test Wall Street? I guarantee you find more drugs in their pi$$ than you do in the SNAP program. Then, don’t stop at Wall Street, how about lawyers, doctors, the entertainment industry…you know, the people who can afford them. I’m pretty sure the single mom who is working 2+ jobs and still can’t support her family isn’t doing a line of blow on the bus in between jobs.
A better question is, why do you hate poor people so much?
Hey Platitude, the last time I checked, Wall Street people are not on Food Stamps, a Democratic based entitlement program paid for with taxes from the public. Pretty sure I am talking about the lazy, 95 million who have been drawing benefits for many years and refuse to work, watching their flat screens, getting all the assistance they can. They are good at asking for others to support them.
Agent,
Source required on “lazy, 95 million…”
You can’t just throw that Hannity soundbite out there without fact checking it. But then again, since when do you care about those?
My mama….mama said….my…my mama said….
@Platitude; neither Agent nor mrbob wrote anything about DENYING minors and disabled any benefits in current laws. Means testing is a term with which you are ignorant of, or are intentionally ignoring to suit your agenda. Yours is another Straw Man Argument, leading down yet another rabbit hole.
MARCH 26, 2018 AT 11:08 AM
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Don’t bother reading any of my posts. You wouldn’t understand them.
@Platitude; your pastiche posts are ineffective at making any point other than ‘I don’t have a meaningful reply’.
Politics
By creating a large bill with many pieces, if you support one piece you have to vote for all pieces. Also when you run for re-election you tout your vote for that piece and say you had to vote for the whole package to get that piece. It is called political cover,
Individual bills are harder to pass.because then the individual votes are on record.
This is not about food stamps but if there is going to be blanket drug testing, let’s start with the politicians in Washington D.C., then the insurance industry, lawyers, etc.
Regarding food stamps, there are a lot of people on food stamps who are cheating the system – get rid of them. BUT- there are a lot of people/families who legitimately need assistance including some of our military families purchasing food in the military commissaries because the pay they get is not sufficient. They are not lazy and refusing to work, they are hard working people. The high and mighty have no idea what it means to be poor and resent them. Let’s take money from the politicians in Washington and the lobbyists and give it to the legitimate poor in this country…. and those who complain when they have more than enough for themselves.
I believe drug testing is to be applied to those receiving public assistance, in regard to this particular discussion. Lawyers and politicians need not be drug-tested; if their judgment is poor, it will be reflected in their executive performance or legislative votes. Voters will then ‘test’ their ability to serve again, as their terms end. I agree with your other points.
It’s worse now than in the great depression as rural people knew how to grow their own food unlike today.
I think we would all like to see those that cheat the system removed from it. We all know it happens and I for one believe it happens a lot more than officially stated. Absolutely help those who need it and find a way to deal with those scamming the system. Drug testing doesn’t work when they know it is coming. I personally have no issue with it as I am tested for my job and I’d expect to be tested if I asked for benefits. I just want to see the fraud reduced so more is available to those who truly need it.