#MeToo Brings Positive Changes and Unintended Consequences to Workplaces

By | October 9, 2018

  • October 9, 2018 at 1:18 pm
    Craig Cornell says:
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    Let me know when #MeToo shows up to protest Bill Clinton’s speeches . . .

  • October 9, 2018 at 1:21 pm
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    I was reminded today of the first time I was called in to my supervisors office at State Farm for sexual harassment back around 2004. The good ole days!

    • October 9, 2018 at 1:45 pm
      Jack says:
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      I was talking to the girl and I ask her what I did when she reminded me. She said it was her not me. She made a comment about me coming over to cut her grass without my shirt on. I worked out a lot back then. We both got called in and I said don’t I have to be offended for there to be a concern, my boss said yes, I said I’m not. I laughed, Amy laughed, Pat laughed, we all laughed. The good ole days.

      • October 9, 2018 at 2:17 pm
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        Sexual harassment had a round in the early 1990’s. We had to go through training and it was defined as a “pattern of behavior”, not just a one time incident.

        A women I worked with knew we had chickens and she asked, in front of my super, why do some eggs have blood in them? My immediate response, first thing in the morning, was that it was the hen’s time of the month. She and the supervisor both laughed, but I got drug into a small conference room where the super had me sign an unofficial note that he had reprimanded me. Nothing ever came of it and the women and I are still friends.

      • October 11, 2018 at 1:40 pm
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        Jack, was your colleague a “girl” in 2004? Still in 2018? I don’t believe you intended to offend anyone — but the hair on my neck stood up just the same. So, I’m using the opportunity to point out one of many micro-aggressions female colleagues face constantly. Being referred to as “girl” is, for most, condescending — unless you’re referring to a seven year old. It may seem a little thing, but overtime the number, variety and not-so-micro aggressions pile up taking an accumulated toll. Even now, I hesitated to comment, knowing someone is probably going to have a hateful response. I hope you can appreciate the perspective I’m sharing.

        • October 11, 2018 at 1:45 pm
          Irene Ochoa says:
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          Sorry, that should have read Irene Ochoa says:

        • October 11, 2018 at 1:58 pm
          perplexed says:
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          Irene are you overly sensitive? Can’t understand being so offended over a harmless comment. That’s one of the many things wrong with our society…too many offended people. How old are you? I’m curious.

          • October 11, 2018 at 2:49 pm
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            Hey Boy,

            no surprise people like you missed the point entirely. please continue to make your world a worse place. we all appreciate it.

          • October 11, 2018 at 4:20 pm
            Bob says:
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            Micro aggressions are an idiot way of saying “I get mad that people call me things that make sense and are not derogatory from their own perspective”.

            It matters the context of the person saying it. When I say girl, I look at it as an endearing word compared to woman. In my case, when someone says I was talking to a woman, or this woman said xyz, the connotations are much more likely to be negative, from a man’s point of view which you really need to try and understand. This is because we actually DO try to be nice when talking to women, contrary to the micro aggression crowd’s beliefs. Men do not typically say girl to insult a woman. They don’t say stop acting like a girl. Every man here knows what a man says when he’s mad at a woman and he tells her to stop being a whiny woman, and they don’t say “you girl!!!” it’s not an insult we use. There are about three variants of insults men use to women that we say in that scenario, and girl is not one of them. There are reasons however we avoid woman.

            Instead of finding reasons to be offended, you need to think like the people talking, and allow them to talk how they talk.

            Also to the other poster here: Boy is actually a common insult women use to men. Saying that therefore girl is equal to boy as an insult is woefully inaccurate. I cannot tell you how often boy has been intended to say you don’t man up. However, I will ask again, how often have you ever heard someone throw out girl as an insult to a woman being a brat? And was it used with that context here?

            It didn’t fly over anyone’s head, social justice warrior.

            Hey girl, for example, said of men to women when they flirt, is not said to imply she is a 7 year old girl they want to hit on.

            Girl is endearing to men. Woman tends not to be, they wouldn’t say “hey woman!”.

            Also, boy can be endearing woman to man. There are girls who say “hey boy” and I’ve said it often said of me when I was younger, or “beau”.

          • October 12, 2018 at 12:21 pm
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            “Instead of finding reasons to be offended, you need to think like the people talking, and allow them to talk how they talk.”

            hey boy …. now i know that when i call you boy and you find that offensive, it is YOUR problem because that is just how i talk and i did not mean to insult you.

          • October 12, 2018 at 2:19 pm
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            Yup, Perplexed is female so your comment, if I understood correctly is not relevant.

          • October 12, 2018 at 2:25 pm
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            I always thought calling a woman “girl” was more of a compliment – making her feel younger. If our paths cross and I ask you on a date, is that going to offend you? Or should I consult an attorney first?

          • October 12, 2018 at 6:50 pm
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            “hey boy …. now i know that when i call you boy and you find that offensive, it is YOUR problem because that is just how i talk and i did not mean to insult you.”

            This would be called bullying. No one uses boy to talk to a man. You have to think of norms. Social justice warrior takes the fact that the word is said to imply there are negative connotations. You think you’re clever but you’re not. You’re not the hero. You’re the villain. Get over yourself. I know it feels good being a word social justice warrior, but it’s all ego when you make comments like this, and for me, it’s all about not insulting people who did nothing wrong, like above. He said girl, and he didn’t mean it as an insult. Girl is a common way to refer to a woman in an endearing way. BOY is literally next to never, unless you’re first flirting, a way of referring to someone in an endearing way, and if you’re not dating, it is LITERALLY ALWAYS used as an insult. You piece of #@%@@.

            Girl however, is not.

            And you know it.

          • October 12, 2018 at 7:06 pm
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            “1.
            a female child.
            synonyms:
            female child, daughter; More
            schoolgirl;
            lass, lassie
            “a five-year-old girl”
            a person’s daughter, especially a young one.
            “he was devoted to his little girl”
            synonyms:
            female child, daughter; More
            schoolgirl;
            lass, lassie
            “a five-year-old girl”
            2.
            a young or relatively young woman.
            synonyms:
            young woman, young lady, miss, mademoiselle; More
            ingénue;
            lass, lassie;
            informalchick, gal, grrrl, babe;
            literarymaid, damsel
            “he settled down with a nice girl”
            a young woman of a specified kind or having a specified job.
            “a career girl”
            informal
            women who mix socially or belong to a particular group, team, or profession.
            “I look forward to having lunch with the girls”
            a person’s girlfriend.
            “his girl eloped with an accountant””

            I look forward to having lunch with the women. Girls totally isn’t endearing at all is it? Women say for example: Girls night out!!! Is that sexist? Or against women?

            I rarely see women refer to women as women, or lady. There are many reasons why: Lady designates old to most women. Woman, is the word most women use to designate a harpy, or negative connotations. They even tend to call their friend, girl friends, even my daughter at 6 does this. Her “girl” friends, and while she is indeed a girl, every girl I knew post highschool used this same expression. I’m hanging out with my women friends? My lady friends? No. Every single time, it was her girl friends.

            Now men, they might say I’m hanging with the boys, but when referring to each other, it’s guys typically. Guys night out. This is some combo of the same reasoning, men’s night out? Nope. Most guys don’t say that. We don’t typically like someone saying “hey man” either. It’s typically guy or buddy. Do you know what the opposite of guy is? Girl. Guy, girl. The two words may as well be the same for usage.

            Girl is not an insult, and any social justice warrior who has made it that doesn’t know the English language or even themselves.

            Irene,

            Can you tell me how you say you’re going out with your friends if it is all women? I don’t mean what you will likely say “lady’s night out” since you’re a social justice warrior. I mean, if someone asked you what you and your friends were doing, would you just say friends? If so, I’m going to force you now to choose to say it based on gender (the force isn’t what to focus on here, it’s that if you had to) what would you call your group of women friends hanging out? Would you say I’m hanging out with my women? My ladies? (That’s possible but most younger women do not do this, 30 and under and most women 40 hate it). I know darn well you have or would say girls.

  • October 9, 2018 at 1:27 pm
    Questionning says:
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    “One executive told Sellers he now wouldn’t get into an elevator alone with a woman.”…..Well welcome to our world. Women have not been getting on elevators alone with a man since the day after the invention of elevators.

    • October 9, 2018 at 2:18 pm
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      Why would anyone give this comment a thumbs down? It’s very true! Maybe the thumbs down people don’t like to face this kind of fact…

    • October 12, 2018 at 2:27 pm
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      Is that because some man passed gas and it really stunk?

  • October 9, 2018 at 2:12 pm
    Jack King says:
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    There’s a long way to go! All we are getting now is high profile accusations, whether Hollywood or Corporation Execs. When it hits the manufacturing sector and agriculture sector, then maybe something was accomplished.
    Gotta hope that the momentum doesn’t get ruined by false and unprovable accusations being made for personal gain.

    • October 9, 2018 at 2:43 pm
      Jack says:
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      Jack King- like Ford’s ?

      • October 10, 2018 at 1:03 pm
        Captain Planet says:
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        What personal gain did she receive? Do you think death threats are a personal gain? That took courage to stand up and tell her story. I applaud her, much like you probably applaud the drunkard. Can’t wait for the T-shirts to come out. Replace Belushi with Brett and the word “college” with a multitude of options. Here’s a few – “Beach Week”, “Where’s Squee?”, “Law School”, “SCOTUS”…

        From now on, on each of his decisions should they be absurd, and there are certainly going to be some, I’m going to assume Brett was drunk again. He liked beer. He still likes beer. He’d actually be the justice I’d like to have a beer with. I wonder what crafts he’s into. Anything with a high ABV, I bet. Oh, there’s another idea, someone needs to brew a beer named after him. I am guessing it’s already in the works.

        • October 10, 2018 at 1:28 pm
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          Introducing The Brett Kavanaugh – it’s a 24% stout with a bitter finish so you end up squinting your face up into a ball like he does.

          • October 11, 2018 at 2:13 pm
            Jack King says:
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            Captain
            I wasn’t necessarily referring to Ford, but maybe she fits. The Duke lacrosse team accuser is another. You can ruin many lives by making unsubstantiated accusations. Monica Lewinsky had proof. You seem to think Kavanaugh molested Ford, but yet there is no proof. A simple accusation and look what he had to go through, at times an embarrassment for him and his family.
            As for Feinstein, her crime was that she molested Agent when he was an underage middle school student. I have no proof, other than this statement.
            As for Ford’s personal gain, fame? Fortune?

          • October 11, 2018 at 4:17 pm
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            I don’t know if Brett did or not. I’m just saying it took courage for Ford to tell her story. I do know Brett likes beer. He admitted to that. As far as Monica is concerned, that was a consensual relationship. Last I knew, nothing illegal about those. I still think Bill is a scumbag, though.

          • October 12, 2018 at 1:39 pm
            Jack King says:
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            Captain,
            Sorry. While I understand what you are saying, if there is no proof that Kavanaugh did anything to Ford, how is it courageous of Ford to tell her story if there is no proof, a lot of booze involved, and could be a false accusation?

          • October 12, 2018 at 2:53 pm
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            Because there is some proof something did happen. Again, not saying it’s Brett, but something certainly did happen to her. Could you imagine admitting and describing that to the nation? And, under oath? A heck of a lot more difficult than admitting to the nation you are a drunk, IMO. People admit to that everyday in circles all over the US.

        • October 10, 2018 at 2:21 pm
          Agent says:
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          Let me guess, you didn’t attend the Presidents speech in Council Bluffs last night. The crowd loved him and were chanting to lock Feinstein up for her shenanigans.

          • October 10, 2018 at 2:44 pm
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            Ah, locking people up without being guilty of a crime.. Some people were just talking about how ridiculous those things are… if only i could remember who it was..

          • October 10, 2018 at 2:50 pm
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            For what crime? What happened to presumption of innocence and due process?

          • October 10, 2018 at 3:31 pm
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            Agent,
            What you are watching is a reality show. People are paid to attend those rallies and are told what to chant. Tramp is Jerry Springering you. I have absolutely zero respect for him as a person. There is no amount of money you could offer me to be anywhere near that sorry excuse. I’d rather go swim in pond scum.

            What crime is she going to jail for? Now, what crimes are those in Tramp’s administration who plead guilty going to jail for?

          • October 15, 2018 at 2:35 pm
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            For trying to turn an uncorroborated claim into a reason to get rid of Kavanugh, and claim he is guilty without evidence?

            You are aware wrongful accusations are illegal in some areas.

            Feinstein didn’t have any evidence to try and get this person removed. She could easily destroy his life.

            When people say lock her up, it’s a legitimate form of outrage.

            Do you believe Feinstein’s was legitimate? I bet you do. Why does that not apply to the other side? Because they said lock her up?

            Well, Feinstein said to destroy a man’s life without evidence. That’s pretty major. But that’s ok isn’t is, because she’s engaging in social justice with a good heart? So are the people defending Kavanaugh who are outraged.

          • October 15, 2018 at 3:16 pm
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            You have to prove that the accusation was false and she knew it to be false.

            I don’t know what is true regard the alleged incident, and neither do you. What i do know is that, even if Judge Kavanaugh did not get confirmed, his life would be far from ruined.

            Talk to those who have been wrongly convicted and imprisoned for years about having a false accusation ruin your life.

            Due process is to be applied to all accused.

          • October 15, 2018 at 3:56 pm
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            “You have to prove that the accusation was false and she knew it to be false. ”

            No I don’t. There was no evidence and she pushed it through. I don’t have to prove innocence. Innocence is there by default, she tried to push forward an allegation without corroborated evidence, which should make outrage on the other side.

            “I don’t know what is true regard the alleged incident, and neither do you.”

            Don’t apply that crap to me. I never implied I knew, this is what you do to try to argue in a way that paints the other side as drawing conclusions. The other side is saying there is no evidence, therefore it must be let go. Hear say cannot be allowed to prevail. You are not sympathizing with the other side, and here you are adding that last line to me. You’re the one out of line. I don’t need to be told what I do and don’t know, but you in fact need to be told why it should have been tossed. This is dangerous.

            “What i do know is that, even if Judge Kavanaugh did not get confirmed, his life would be far from ruined. ”

            Incorrect. He’s a judge. This means his capacity to work as a judge would be gone. Don’t tell me his damage would be minimal, the correct answer to how much damage should be allowed is a whopping ZERO.

            “Talk to those who have been wrongly convicted and imprisoned for years about having a false accusation ruin your life.
            Due process is to be applied to all accused.”

            This doesn’t matter, and those wrongly convicted and accused actually had a jury and evidence. We cannot know. All the more reason to focus on evidence and throw out claims without evidence, instead of saying some people are in jail guilty to say false equivalency crap like you always do which isn’t relevant to the argument at hand to make me appear a hypocrite and dislodge true debate.

            You’re a complete piece of trash, you think you’re better than you are.

            This case had no evidence. It should have been tossed, and people are right for being outraged at Feinstein.

  • October 9, 2018 at 2:20 pm
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    back in the OLD days we had to take our hat off when a lady entered the elevator

    • October 12, 2018 at 12:58 pm
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      Give me 5 bees for a quarter, they’d say.

      • October 15, 2018 at 9:04 am
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        I first read that as “5 beers for a quarter”. One could probably call that the Ted Kennedy special.

        • October 15, 2018 at 9:50 am
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          You read that correctly. It’s an Abe Simpson quote.

  • October 15, 2018 at 1:43 pm
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    the following is a Newspaper Add written by Harry Gray, then CEO of United Technologies, that appeared in the Wall Street Journal from the late 1970s through the early 1980s. Here is the text from that ad.

    “Wouldn’t it be great to take one giant step forward for womankind and get rid of “the girl”?
    Your attorney says, “If I’m not here just leave it with the girl.”
    The purchasing agent says, “Drop off your bid with the girl.”
    A manager says, “My girl will get back to your girl.”
    What girl?
    Do they mean Miss Rose?
    Do the mean Ms. Torres?
    Do they mean Mrs. McCullough?
    Do they mean Joy Jackson?
    “The girl” is certainly a woman when she’s out of her teens.
    Like you, she has a name.
    Use it.”

    I remember being inspired by this ad when it ran in The Oregonian newspaper in the 1970’s. I cut it out and pinned it to my bedroom wall. Note to all above…Irene is on point.

    • October 15, 2018 at 2:19 pm
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      Context.

      Give it to the guy at the front desk. Drop of your bid with the man. With the guy.

      You do realize you’re talking about talking in the formal tense in a business transaction, don’t you?

      This same gap would exit with men because of etiquette, in that we wouldn’t say man or guy, but neither man or guy are to be ruled out when talking about men you know.

      Just because there exist moments in which to refer to business with women as Lady in this scenario, (It would be lady or gentleman, the tense used is a ladies and gentlemen tense) it does not mean that all scenarios need to be that. Also, I’m talking about the word you would use if you didn’t use the name. Your post doesn’t apply to even that, because it would seem to suggest, were you correct, that we should always use names, never girl or guy, right? It’s completely devoid of full thought.

      It is not an insult to call a girl a girl, and I will continue doing it. I asked my wife last night, (she often stays out of politics but couldn’t on this one) what she calls her friends at work who happen to be female. At first she didn’t understand what I was asking, and she said “girls”. And I then explained what happened here. She is solely involved in political matters on areas of social justice, in thinking it is the most stupid stuff she has ever seen. Good job at converting her to be conservative, by the way.

    • October 15, 2018 at 2:20 pm
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      By the way: My wife also said the moment I call her Lady or Woman I’m sleeping on the couch.

      She’s 36. She is in no rush to be called either of those words.

      I laughed and said “Ok, fine, come here girl”. And gave her a kiss.

    • October 15, 2018 at 2:31 pm
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      Also by the way:

      She is thoroughly disgusted by men like Confused and the other ones here. She knows fake manly behavior when she sees it, virtue signaling, and basically the ego that goes with it.

      She knows I’m self made, she has seen me actually protect the innocent, and bring down real oppressors, she has seen me take on her old work and win, she has seen me take on anyone who could go after someone, my family or not, and win. She has seen that while men who talk about what use words and social justice talk big, they rarely do anything but talk, and it’s a huge disgust to her. I don’t engage in that horse crud and she’s well aware of that too.

      The problem is there are too few real men to lead, and every man who wants to do it is basically a liar. It is not something I chose to do or wanted to. My dad used to say “It has to be someone, and you happen to be able to do it, so that means it has to be you” (not verbatim, it has been over 10 years since he said that). Men that brunt real oppression don’t like doing it. It isn’t fun, it doesn’t win you likes or cheers. It is often a suffer in silence type of reward, and often with no thank you.

      Watching people here take a social justice stand because a guy here used the word girl is just insane. The girl isn’t here mad. This was an intentional shaming moment, the woman who did it should be made aware of the fact that it was not ok (by the way, I was going to erase that word, but I type so fast that my mind talks about like I would out loud, so notice the way my mind talks about a jerk girl, is to call her a woman, not a girl, when I’m thinking they are a jerk).

      • October 15, 2018 at 3:01 pm
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        cool story, boy

        • October 15, 2018 at 3:45 pm
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          Yeah, you’re quite the big man aren’t you Confused?

          Your bully is showing. You have no right to start trying to use a war of words with me on this one.

          Boy is an actual insult with negative connotations, and you are using it such. Girl is not. This girl is talking third party about a girl referenced. This type of behavior will result in pansies like you attacking normal people and unnecessary fights.

          You’re not a man. You actually are a boy. Keep it up.

          I’m twice the man you are.

          • October 15, 2018 at 4:08 pm
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            Bob, “Instead of finding reasons to be offended, you need to think like the people talking, and allow them to talk how they talk.” -Bob

            anyway – cool story, girl.

            there’s your non insult without negative connotations reply. i hope your ego is happy now.

          • October 15, 2018 at 4:49 pm
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            On this one no, I’m not sorry I wasted my time. I hope that plenty of real men understand it isn’t an insult to call their wife or girlfriend a girl, or, for that matter, girls in general girls.

            Some people are very worried about the consequences of not following what people like Confused say, on norms.

            They thus pull away. I want to show them I have a wife and kids, and my wife loves me and wants me more for my being a real man. They don’t want pansy behavior like Confused’s. Men need to know this image Confused and this other girl give are not reality, so they don’t back off like I did when I was younger, or stop trying at all to be a real man.

  • October 15, 2018 at 2:10 pm
    Bob says:
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    No. She isn’t.

  • October 16, 2018 at 3:28 pm
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    to the women out there, I ask again, If our paths cross and I ask you on a date, is that going to offend you? Or should I consult an attorney first?:

    • October 24, 2018 at 11:28 am
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      If she is a Feminazi, you should consult an attorney. Try Farmersonly.com. They don’t seem to have problems hooking up real men with real women.



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