Trump Now Sides With Those Hoping to Pull Plug on All of Obamacare

By and | March 27, 2019

  • March 27, 2019 at 7:55 am
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    yep, they’ll be pulling the plug on the comments for this article soon…

    • March 27, 2019 at 8:08 am
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      That often happens after ‘someone’ uses copied & pasted unrelated prior comments in reply to on-topic posts.

      That said, someone recently used ‘ACA repeal’ as an example of a lie by Trump. However, behind the scenes (i.e. two years of Robert Mueller’s illegal travesty improperly called an ‘investigation’ took the spotlight away from important national issues), there are a few laws being drafted as parts of a plan that I summarized by ‘HEALTH CARE SPPECIFICCS’. THIS story implies the ACA repeal has always been an agenda item. Now that the plans previously suggested are deemed to be viable, there is renewed interest in the repeal of the disaster called ‘ACA’.

      • March 27, 2019 at 8:13 am
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        If Trump & the Republican’s couldn’t get enough votes to repeal or replace Obamacare when they held majorities of all three branches of the government, I don’t see how they’ll get enough votes to pass anything Obamacare-repeal related now.

        • March 27, 2019 at 8:17 am
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          • March 27, 2019 at 8:54 am
            rob says:
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            John McCain was an honorable man with more integrity in his pinkie finger than Trump has in his entire body. While Trump was sitting out Vietnam with “bone spurs”, McCain was being tortured in a Hanoi prison and could’ve been released but refused unless his fellow prisoners would also be let go (yet, according to Trump, he was no hero because he had been shot down). He was not a perfect man and was the first to admit he made his share of mistakes in life and in politics, but he was well-respected by both sides of the aisle and spent his entire life serving his country. He voted against the outright repeal of the ACA because he didn’t want to repeal it until there was an agreed upon replacement (because apparently he was not privy to HEALTH CARE SPPECIFICCS). I proudly voted for him in 2008 and believe he could’ve won if he had picked someone other than Palin as his running mate. For Trump and others to lie about his record (“last in his class”) and dishonor his memory is absolutely despicable, and has rightfully been denounced by many in the Republican party. Trump can only dream of being remembered as 1/100th of the man McCain was..

          • March 27, 2019 at 9:35 am
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            Sure – blame the dead guy, not Collins or Murkowski who also voted against a Skinny Repeal. As for McCain’s vote, he did vote yes on the Better Care Reconciliation Act (BCRA) which was the repeal & replace option, but voted against the skinny repeal because:

            “it offered no replacement to actually reform our health care system and deliver affordable, quality health care to our citizens. … We must now return to the correct way of legislating and send the bill back to committee, hold hearings, receive input from both sides of aisle, heed the recommendations of nation’s governors, and produce a bill that finally delivers affordable health care for the American people.”

            Doesn’t sound like a bitter or petty man trying to push an agenda — he simply didn’t want to repeal the ACA and have no plan to replace it. Seems logical to me. If you take something away, you need to have a sound plan to resolve the issues of not having it anymore.

          • March 27, 2019 at 3:18 pm
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          • March 27, 2019 at 4:05 pm
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            RRM—There are many, many more veterans than the 3 you know who have a favorable opinion of him and appreciate his service. the fact remains that McCain served and Trump did not. McCain used his contacts to get into the Naval Academy, Trump used his to get diagnosed with bone spurs. Which is more honorable?

          • March 27, 2019 at 4:52 pm
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            Rosenblatt said:
            ” Sure – blame the dead guy, not Collins or Murkowski who also voted against a Skinny Repeal. As for McCain’s vote, he did vote yes on the Better Care Reconciliation Act (BCRA) which was the repeal & replace option, but voted against the skinny repeal because: – – blah, blah, blah…. ”
            ………………………………………………………………………………………………

            I will blame McCain (‘the dead guy’ is YOUR LAME attempt to make me look bad, but it failed) for not honoring his campaign PLEDGES. McCain wasn’t dead when he made campaign pledges at several locations to repeal ACA, and he wasn’t dead when he BROKE HIS CAMPAIGN PROMISE TO HIS CONSTITUENTS. His prior service to the USA doesn’t offset his lack of integrity in breaching a solemn pledge to voters.

            There are SEVERAL better options relative to the failed ACA. In fact, ACA is so bad, there are MANY better options, including self insurance.

            Off topic: Will you now denounce CNN, NPR, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, WaPo, NYTimes, etc. for lying to you over the last two years about Russian Collusion with Trump’s campaign?

          • April 2, 2019 at 8:31 pm
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            Poueller, polls show the majority of Americans are FOR some type of health care solution. So I don’t know who these people are that McCain let down with his nay vote to repeal the ACA with no solution to take its place.

        • March 27, 2019 at 8:19 am
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        • March 27, 2019 at 8:21 am
          PouellerBeaReport Fail says:
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          Finally, you fail to see that the solution to the disaster called ‘ACA’ is to take health care out of the hands of the government (if need be, a Supreme Court strike down) and to give the responsibility to solve the current problems to the private HI and HC industries.

  • March 27, 2019 at 8:14 am
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    “The debate over Obamacare — which Republicans tried unsuccessfully to repeal in 2017 — was a focal point for Democrats in the 2018 midterms when they took control of the House and scored significant wins in state and local elections.”

    Wrong, if not an outright lie.

    The focal points of Dems running for office in 2018 were: ‘Russian Collusion’ or ‘Obstruction of Justice’, with a minor focus on ACA, Illegal Aliens ‘rights’, Obstruction of Construction of a Border Barrier, and Global Climate Change Caused by Man and Cow Farts.

    • March 27, 2019 at 8:22 am
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      • March 27, 2019 at 9:28 am
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        I’ve stated this upwards of 20 times over the past few years – I do not vote on this site. I neither give out likes nor dislikes. Blame someone else – it’s not me.

        • March 27, 2019 at 11:04 am
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          Please try to stay on-topic

        • March 27, 2019 at 4:54 pm
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          I trust you as much as I trust Fake News CNN on many topics; e.g. collusion.

    • March 27, 2019 at 5:38 pm
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      One of your funnier posts, Poueller, and as always right on point. Bravo.

  • March 27, 2019 at 10:34 am
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    Everyone yell together: ‘PULL…PULL….PULL!!!”

    Obamacare has cost jobs, increased premiums and out of pocket dramatically and forced the agency I manage to reduce the employer’s share of contribution from 80% to 50% thereby really hurting our employees. it is a disgraceful piece of legislation that has not done anything more than add a few million people to Medicaid or Medicaid-like plans. And, tens of millions of people are still uninsured (I know plenty that just pay the penalty). It should die and die soon.

    • March 27, 2019 at 10:46 am
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      Your comment may soon lead to IJ pulling all comments, as was suggested in the OP on this comment page!

    • March 27, 2019 at 11:59 am
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      Yeah, I bet your employees were suffering with healthcare coverage that you didn’t provide before the ACA and probably don’t now. As for cost jobs, the ACA actually spurred growth in the healthcare industry…there were more people being covered; without the ACA, those without healthcare coverage did not participate in the industry (going to the doctor, having tests done, diagnoses made and prescriptions given for conditions that they would otherwise have to wait until worse and go to the hospital). Ask hospital administrators in Texas how they fared when their governor disallowed the Medicaid expansion…wonder how they will make up the dollars they DON’T get either way. This is just Trump-like assertions where you say one thing but do another. The republican platform does not have a single plank in it for actual healthcare, nothing. And when this is the campaign issue for 2020, you can get the R’s will lose their as**es at the ballot.

      • March 27, 2019 at 1:34 pm
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        Stush- spoken like a true communist.

        • March 27, 2019 at 3:29 pm
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          Jack, only a liberal Democrat would fine/tax someone for not enrolling in a health care law. Only a liberal would think a one size fits all scheme with no choice was a good idea. This was never about health care, just about consolidating power.

          • March 29, 2019 at 11:00 am
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            FEBRUARY 19, 2019 AT 3:08 PM
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            Andrew, where are you, in hiding while this idiot rages on.?
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  • March 27, 2019 at 1:40 pm
    Jack says:
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    Watch liberals defend Obamacare on here and there is not a ONE that had their premiums go down $2500 a year like Obama said it would. That’s when you know they really suck down the
    kool-aid.

    • March 27, 2019 at 2:33 pm
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      Jack – Obamacare was a failure and we were lied to about keeping our doctors and the decrease in premiums. That does not mean the current group of Republicans can throw it away without having an ACTUAL plan that will resolve the issues which come from repealing the ACA.

      See … you can be a non-conservative, admit politicians lie, and yet still be for the ACA because nobody — especially not the Republican’s who’ve been touting for YEARS they have a great replacement and Trump himself (Trump in 2017 ““It’s very much formulated down to the final strokes. … lower numbers, much lower deductibles … We’re going to have insurance for everybody”) — has offered a better solution.

      Right now, nothing (a straight repeal) is worse than something (current ACA) if there’s no plan to try and resolve the issues that will certainly come from simply getting rid of the ACA.

      • March 27, 2019 at 4:57 pm
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        Rosie: how many times does it take to get it through your thick skull; that the Republicans are NOT looking to control the HC and HI industries in the same way Dem Socialists did? The repeal will open the door for the PRIVATE HI and HC industries to initiate reforms and marketing changes that will solve most of the current problems, albeit slowly due to inertia in those two related industries.

        • March 28, 2019 at 9:01 am
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          You really the HI/HC industries will do ANYTHING besides trying to maximize their profits? They don’t care about solving the current problems patients deal with, or else they would have already tried to do something about it. And you claim it is I who has the thick skull?

          • March 28, 2019 at 5:12 pm
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            Under a scenario which I and dozens of others opining on how to ‘replace’ ACA, I assume a greater amount of competition in the HC and HI Industrial Complex, thus, FAIR profits that cannot be maximized as your THEORY suggests. NO ONE in their right minds outlining a new scenario to fix the HC and HI industry problems would suggest a LESS competitive market where the stakeholders can maximize profits. But, if that were to occur, the LOWERED barriers to entry (I wrote about, as did others) would enable and encourage new players to enter the market and eliminate any excess profits.

            You really need to anticipate a few steps ahead in your replies; most people espousing on this topic understand basics of economics and market dynamics as well as principles of insurance. Do you play chess? If so, how well do you fare if you cannot project a few moves ahead?

  • March 27, 2019 at 2:08 pm
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    Here we go again. 2 more wasted years arguing about same old same old. .

    • March 27, 2019 at 2:31 pm
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      Hey FFA, If you like your plan, you can keep it, if you like your doctor, you can keep him. The average family will save $2,500 per year on premiums. Our wonderful former POTUS said that 28 times in his nationwide blitz to sell one of the biggest lies in American History. The only lie that might be bigger is that our President colluded with Russians to fix the election How did that turn out?

    • March 27, 2019 at 3:30 pm
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      If the PPACA is eliminated, most of the people will demand something to replace it. They will most likely hold President Trump and the Republicans responsible if there is no replacement. My prediction is that this will force President Trump and the Republicans to decide between a single payer system or lose elections in 2020. We all know the Democrats will not pass a free market solution in the House.

      Good luck!

      • March 27, 2019 at 5:02 pm
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        What was in place before ACA was fine for almost all insureds. We can fairly easily go back to that status. Tell us why you think the govt MUST involve itself in commerce other than REGULATION to protect consumers from abuse?

        • March 28, 2019 at 8:05 am
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          The core of my position is more about pointing out the political realities.

          That being said, i will answer your question, “Tell us why you think the govt MUST involve itself in commerce other than REGULATION to protect consumers from abuse?”

          Simple, there is not a non-prohibitive and profitable free market solution for high risk insureds, period.

          • March 28, 2019 at 5:16 pm
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            Congressional legislation to lower barriers to entry will increase competition and supply, thus lower prices and eliminate excess profits. Your repeated use of an unrealistic, static economic/ market situation is so trivial to refute.

          • March 29, 2019 at 8:55 am
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            If reducing the barriers to entry in an effort to increase competition, and thus reducing prices is the answer, why has it not yet been implemented?

            There is absolutely no reason all of the Republican ideas to improve health care could not have been implemented with the PPACA in effect. They don’t either don’t care about health care, don’t believe their solutions will actually work, or cannot sell them. My guess is that they like “Repeal and Replace” as a campaign slogan, but not a governing position.

  • March 27, 2019 at 3:43 pm
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    What? Trump is going to interfere with my $2,500. premium reduction that Obama promised?

    Thinking people (not most IJ commenters and certainly not IJ) know that we will never have lower health care costs until we confront doctors and hospitals, who make as much as 50% more than doctors and hospitals in other Western countries. Doesn’t matter how, nothing will change until we do that.

    Single Payer?: see New York’s results in that experiment and then tell me you want the same disaster for your family. Take profit out of any organization and soon the employees don’t give a damn about you or your needs.

    • March 27, 2019 at 3:59 pm
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      I know many non-profit organizations who vehemently disagree with your closing statement

      • March 27, 2019 at 5:01 pm
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        Of course they do. C’mon, Rosenblatt. No one on Earth admits they don’t care about other people. I swear you live in a fantasy land.

        Sweden – that falsely identified “socialist” heaven, ha ha – required several years ago that a private health care alternative be available in nearly every town in Sweden. Guess why?

        Because the evidence showed them that the competition from the higher-quality private alternatives kept the quality of care UP at the government-run options.

        This is an old and boring argument that you liberals never seem to master. Fed Ex and UPS run circles around the US Post Office. Wait times in Single Payer countries are horrific and they only “save” money by restricting access to all of the treatment choices we have here in the US.

        Read about the results in New York and then tell me that is what you prefer for your family.

      • April 9, 2019 at 3:31 pm
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        Many millions of people would disagree with anything you say Rosenblatt.

  • March 27, 2019 at 4:02 pm
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    I swear I hit “reply” in the right spot. My bad!

  • March 28, 2019 at 7:22 am
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    As far as understanding the flow of legal action, this was the best article I’ve found to date. The conclusion? The DOJ’s latest appeal re. Obamacare could be thrown out on the grounds of no existing “redress for injury” (i.e. no basis for the appeal since the penalty (i.e. “injury”) for not having insurance coverage was removed in 2017). Further this appeal filed w. the 5th US Circuit Court (NOLA), if denied, might serve to reverse a prior ruling (re. the individual mandate being struck down w. the entire Act potentially dismantled) and thereby preserve the ACA. How I hope this is true – for all who need the benefits of the ACA in order to survive and for the sake of justice in our country.

    • March 28, 2019 at 12:07 pm
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      “Justice!” Only liberals are for that . . . and it means whatever you want it to mean in any situation, meaning it has no meaning at all. How convenient!

    • March 28, 2019 at 5:22 pm
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      Your interpretation of ‘redress for injury’ is static and flawed. Past penalties still stand as ‘injuries’; i.e. they are not wiped out by the 2017 removal. You’re grasping at straws.

  • March 28, 2019 at 12:01 pm
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    1)There is nothing even remotely mentioned in the constitution that says I have to purchase health care risk coverage.
    2)There is ZERO chance that young people did, or will ever, care (or afford) that they buy enough insurance to ensure that older and sicker Americans have adequate coverage. We tried telling Obama that when he rolled out this plan, but he would not listen. Thus the subsidies add heavily to the deficit and raises the ante on this portion of the generational wealth transfer. Medicare and social security are the largest generational transfers of wealth the world has ever seen. Just keep adding all these liberal minded benefits and watch the US fail after we are broke. If you care about your offspring and theirs, you will think about the future before you vote 100% for liberal minded ‘check writers.’
    3)Even Hillary was smart enough to not promise ‘you can keep your physician’ when they told her not to promise it. Obama went even further and lied to the Catholic bishops conference that they had no worries about birth control mandates and, wa la, it magically appeared it the final version.

  • March 30, 2019 at 5:07 pm
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    I’m so old, I remember Tramp already claimed victory for ending Obamacare.

    President Donald Trump said there is “no such thing as Obamacare anymore” and “Obamacare is finished, it’s dead, it’s gone.”

    Dan Mangan – October 16, 2017

    Looks like just another lie from him, 1 of his 10,000 since taking the presidential position.

    • April 1, 2019 at 3:23 pm
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      I can line by line go over more than 20 lies the media has said was a lie from Trump in which they were themselves being misleading, or fact checked hyperbole. Such as Hillary fighting ISIS her entire adult life.

      Trump doesn’t lie any more than your average president. You yourself likely just fact checked hyperbole, or Trump stating he was taking Obamacare down. Stating that and failing isn’t a lie, it’s failing.

      You democrats hysterically screaming liar disrupts policy debates. Hysterically screaming Tramp disrupts policy debate.

      You want Trump to own it, and the right to own it? Then stop using the same tactics.

  • April 1, 2019 at 2:10 pm
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    Fact- until liberals that bought the lie that this was about “healthcare” and making “healthcare” “affordable” wake up and see that it was not, none of them will admit Obamacareless is a failure. Those are the same people that think college can be “free” and that their fruits and veg grow in a grocery store.



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