Marijuana Legalization Front and Center in 3 States

June 7, 2019

  • June 7, 2019 at 5:11 am
    Brian Kelly says:
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    Marijuana consumers deserve and demand equal rights and protections under our laws that are currently afforded to the drinkers of far more dangerous and deadly, yet perfectly legal, widely accepted, endlessly advertised and even glorified as an All-American pastime, alcohol.

    Plain and simple!

    Legalize Nationwide!

    It’s time for us, the majority of The People to take back control of our national marijuana policy. By voting OUT of office any and all politicians who very publicly and vocally admit to having an anti-marijuana, prohibitionist agenda! Time to vote’em all OUT of office. Period. Plain and simple.

    Politicians who continue to demonize Marijuana, Corrupt Law Enforcement Officials who prefer to ruin peoples lives over Marijuana possession rather than solve real crimes who fund their departments toys and salaries with monies acquired through Marijuana home raids, seizures and forfeitures, and so-called “Addiction Specialists” who make their income off of the judicial misfortunes of our citizens who choose marijuana, – Your actions go against The Will of The People and Your Days In Office Are Numbered! Find new careers before you don’t have one.

    The People have spoken! Get on-board with Marijuana Legalization Nationwide, or be left behind and find new careers. Your choice.

    • June 7, 2019 at 7:55 am
      Elelo says:
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      Amen to that Brian!

    • June 7, 2019 at 10:22 am
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      • June 7, 2019 at 10:43 am
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        Every poll I’ve ever seen, even ones posted here by the anti-pot group, shows there are more people who support legalization compared to those who do not. Add to that the fact that states have legalized recreational use only did so because it was the will of the voters, and it does appear the people HAVE spoken. Do you have any statistically significant data to show the % of people against recreational pot actually exceed the % of people for it?

        • June 7, 2019 at 11:45 am
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          • June 7, 2019 at 12:06 pm
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            We can debate how well-informed the population was every single time a state put it to a vote, but you can’t refute the results of those votes nor any statistically-relevant poll — the pro-pot crowd has spoken, and their numbers are greater than the anti-pot folks.

          • June 7, 2019 at 12:35 pm
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          • June 7, 2019 at 1:56 pm
            Captain Planet says:
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            In less than a decade, we will see it federally legalized. More and more states are doing it on their own and beyond. Two states now have legal mushrooms as well. This is what freedom looks like.

          • June 7, 2019 at 3:01 pm
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          • June 10, 2019 at 2:16 am
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            You are spewing nonsene Cornell. Revenues have exceeded expectations. My feeling is this won’t stop you from making that disprove claim.

            ht tps://www.politifact.com/new-york/statements/2019/jan/21/patricia-fahy/fahy-claims-marijuana-revenue-disappointing/

          • June 10, 2019 at 3:43 pm
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            He made several points, and the only one you focused on were revenues, without the baseline quoted.

            He said they made promises that were not met, perhaps they promised doubling of revenues and it only went up 20%, which would be a broken promise? I don’t know, since Craig didn’t make a baseline comment with a direct source quote.

            But nonetheless, I expect you will call him uninformed without knowing the details anyway. You will just as usual, assume the right is uninformed.

            Also, glossing over the fact that he has care for the black community is a serious fault here.

            He seems to care about them. I would consider that a good trait.

            Do you see nothing good in his post at all?

          • June 10, 2019 at 3:48 pm
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            So example: You could say I see your care for the black folks here, but I think you’re wrong about helping them.

            Then give data about marijuana and crime that would seem to suggest they would be ok.

            That would be the on point way to go.

            Craig wasn’t exactly being abrasive with this comment like I sometimes am. He was being distraught with some anger, and there is quite a difference.

            I consider myself to be fairly middle road and believe in sometimes government, sometimes not.

            So sometimes I find myself rolling my eyes on the right’s solutions.

            For example: I believe a day care for all program would work to get women back to work and raise the LPR. I’ve talked about this. Medicare subsidies will pull them out, but you will get more healthcare for people if you push them into the market, by making day care for all, while increasing revenues enough to pay for the day care itself, and the women get the take home pay, and the businesses grow. That is synergy between government and people and economy. It’s not a right ideal, it’s rather a left one.

            So every now and again I point this out to the right. I call people like Craig out, who tends to be further right than I am. While I associate myself with the right, this is only because the left cast me out, and I’m bitter about it.

            I’ve even found myself agreeing with you in the past, but not with the solution.

            You still eviscerated me on the drug issue. I had to reiterate I agreed with you but not entirely.

            Craig said one thing you don’t like, and you said you don’t imagine he would listen to any logic, and made some big assumptions on data that could not be possible with the quote and context given. Maybe you need to chill out UW and take a right wing sympathy class.

          • June 10, 2019 at 3:54 pm
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            And I must add, when I say perhaps they promised 200% and it was 20%, he might even be talking about one state.

            We don’t know.

            Craig, what is the basis for your numbers?

          • June 10, 2019 at 5:08 pm
            Craig Cornell says:
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            U/W: I read your article. I live in California and here is what Politifact said in YOUR article: (“short by $101 million”)

            In California, legalization of recreational marijuana took effect in 2018. The state fell short of its estimates by $101 million during the first six months, according to a report from the state’s Legislative Analyst’s Office. A rocky roll-out impeded growth in the legal market, according to the Los Angeles Times.

        • June 7, 2019 at 1:52 pm
          Tim Frazier says:
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          If you state even has referendums, North Carolina here :(

        • June 7, 2019 at 4:08 pm
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          • June 7, 2019 at 4:27 pm
            Rosenblatt says:
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            Nobody is saying marijuana is GOOD for you — people are saying we should have the freedom to choose for ourselves to use it or not.

          • June 8, 2019 at 2:57 pm
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          • June 10, 2019 at 8:55 am
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            Wait, you are talking MJ and not PCP, right? No one is saying people should smoke PCP or MJ laced with PCP.

          • June 10, 2019 at 12:32 pm
            unikladee says:
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            Alcohol is legal yet not good for you.

    • June 7, 2019 at 1:16 pm
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      • June 7, 2019 at 7:21 pm
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        So on what basis do you classify a natural plant a VICE ? I really do not care if cannabis is legal to buy or sell, what I do care about is that my government thinks it has the power to tell it’s citizenry that it can’t grow a plant. Just one plant, not one hundred, not a crop, just one plant. Not a toxic or dangerous plant but rather a medical plant. Not a plant too dangerous to be grown around children or animals, just a weed like plant with rather special flowers, that’s all. Not all flower lovers are stoners. Just because others are afraid of a plant does not mean it’s dangerous nor does their fear give them the right to insist on PROTECTING others from their much feared plant. Please let me grow one and take my chances. I prefer this flower plant growing risk to skydiving or spelunking, I’m just a crazy risk taker like that. Maybe I should start to lobby for laws against spelunking in our state, some guys died once doing that around hear, VERY DANGEROUS behavior !!!!!

        • June 10, 2019 at 5:44 pm
          Craig Cornell says:
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          Right on! Some states have made growing poppies illegal, and the poppy is the California state flower! Oh, the humanity! Just because the poppy is the source of heroin shouldn’t mean we consider it a VICE. Flower Power! Free the flowers!

          • June 10, 2019 at 6:15 pm
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            The California State poppy is not the kind you can make anything out of…

          • June 10, 2019 at 6:18 pm
            Craig Cornell says:
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            But it’s a flower! Protect the flower! (Dumbest pro-pot argument yet: “But it’s just an innocent plant, not a vice.”)

    • June 7, 2019 at 4:27 pm
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      • June 10, 2019 at 10:38 am
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        De-Classifying, how many times are you going to post the same comment? Have an addiction to low comment ratings?

        • June 10, 2019 at 12:05 pm
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          As many times as it takes to keep it in the public eye, and not be censored by the fearful-of-the-truth Left.

          • June 10, 2019 at 2:57 pm
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            Why do you think it is the “left,” voting you down. I’ve been conservative all my life and one of the main tenants has always been to keep government out of our lives. If someone wants to smoke pot, they should not be locked up and have their livelihood destroyed because the “nanny state” wants to determine what is moral or immoral. Prohibition didn’t work for alcohol nor has it worked for pot.

          • June 10, 2019 at 5:50 pm
            Craig Cornell says:
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            I love the “libertarians” who feign ignorance about where the overwhelming support of Pot for Fun is coming from: the Left. Democrats.

            As if the libertarians just woke up from a 20 year sleep.

    • June 10, 2019 at 5:44 pm
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      Are pot smokers a protected class? They get the same protection as does the LBGTQ folks?

  • June 7, 2019 at 8:14 am
    Elelo says:
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    New York will never have legal cannabis as long as Andrew Cuomo is governor. The latest statement he made was that he would not twist any arms to convince legislators to support the bill. This is from a man that during election said that legalizing cannabis was a priority. In other word he would not place any effort to help legalize cannabis. He is a hypocrite. People should have voted for his opponent. He is at best a mediocre legislator.

    • June 7, 2019 at 10:18 am
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      Andrew Cuomo is a member of the Hypocrite Socialist Democrat Party that lies to gain power. Despite that, he recently accomplished something of note, but not importance or significance; i.e. named the replacement for the Tappan Zee Bridge as Mario Cuomo Bridge (costed $4B vs. $3B budgeted) by including it in a last minute change to the NY budget bill.

  • June 7, 2019 at 11:40 am
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    • June 7, 2019 at 12:23 pm
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      Newest and most accurate statistic out there…. 100% of Craigs are salty.

      You should fly out and campaign in each of those states. Spend your time making sure everyone is fully aware of your concerns and bogus stats.

      Good luck!

      • June 7, 2019 at 12:33 pm
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        • June 7, 2019 at 2:04 pm
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          Dishonest fools post links or reference articles that don’t even support their opinion. They would know that if they bothered reading through them.. Reading comprehension Craig! Maybe if you tried a joint you’d feel better… Or not.

          Stay Salty!

          • June 7, 2019 at 2:59 pm
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          • June 7, 2019 at 3:49 pm
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            “Ah, yes. Resorting to insults ….” That’s rich in hypocrisy coming from the guy who just told me that ‘…[my] integrity is shaky as hell”

          • June 7, 2019 at 3:57 pm
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          • June 7, 2019 at 4:37 pm
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            I first wrote “We can debate how well-informed the population was every single time a state put it to a vote,”

            and now you claim what I did “avoids my point: people voted based on a false understanding of what legalization would do.”

            Saying we can debate something means I’m not ignoring it. I pretty clearly said I was willing to discuss that point further.

            Remind me – who has integrity issues again?

          • June 7, 2019 at 5:13 pm
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          • June 10, 2019 at 8:55 am
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            Insults – the official language of all salty Craigs

          • June 10, 2019 at 12:06 pm
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            Ha! still hasn’t offered proof that Craig’s post was wrong. He/she won’t and can’t.

      • June 7, 2019 at 4:28 pm
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        @Ha! Ha! to your claim that Craig’s stats are ‘salty’. Prove your claim with a substantive post rather than an empty claim.

    • June 7, 2019 at 1:59 pm
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      APRIL 18, 2019 AT 2:55 PM
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      Oh, how sad. Guess how many people you have convinced to change their minds with your sad story? It rhymes with “hero”.
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    • June 7, 2019 at 2:44 pm
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      You need to try and use google. Everything you are saying is refeer madness and a all out lie.

      • June 10, 2019 at 2:14 pm
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        He won’t use google… to much of an agent of the left… Try Lougle, much more efficient

        • June 11, 2019 at 8:00 am
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          Is that the one founded by that guy in Motley Lou?

          • June 11, 2019 at 8:42 am
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            99.99% sure it was a Hot Tub Time Machine reference, but thanks for getting Kickstart My Heart stuck in my head now!

          • June 11, 2019 at 8:56 am
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            It was indeed, my friend! One of the more underrated (albeit extremely stupid) movies out there.

            Dang…now I have the Crue stuck in my head. I guess there are worse things out there. Have a great day!

          • June 11, 2019 at 10:11 am
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            Rob,

            I think you mean you have the Lou stuck in your head..

  • June 7, 2019 at 1:48 pm
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    I think someone needs to proof read the submitted bill if this is what was actually stated and submitted…….look at the spelling of “Marihuana”, not once but twice!

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      A stoner must have written the bill.

    • June 8, 2019 at 2:58 am
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      Please call it Cannabis already! ‘Marijuana’, ‘Marihuana’ are racist historical terms.

      • June 10, 2019 at 1:12 pm
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        RACISM! Just hilarious. As the saying goes, When everything is racism, nothing is.

        Call it Mother’s Milk! Cotton Candy? Friendly Smoke?

        • June 10, 2019 at 2:18 pm
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          If you did the research and had the knowledge on the topic you claim to have, you would know this is true. There was a heavy campaign to push the term as marijuana during the early stages of prohibition on cannabis.. the goal being to make the term synonymous with mexicans and immigrants… I’m sure you would understand that..

          • June 10, 2019 at 2:54 pm
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            Yes, in ancient history that is completely irrelevant to today some bad things happened.

            No one has used the term “marijuana” with racist overtones for 75 years.

            Welcome to the 21st Century. (Did you know that slaves built the pyramids? OH THE HORRORS!)

          • June 10, 2019 at 7:16 pm
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            Complete and utter nonsense. Even if accurate, that some morons actually believed the term marijuana would associate it with immigrants, that was not the reason the term itself changed.

            One idiot does not a movement make, even a hundred wouldn’t. The vast majority of those selling pot did not make the word marijuana into use to take advantage of racism. This is patently absurd. Even when racism was “a thing” that would have backfired. We had a civil war over racism, no fool would try to appeal to racism in the public to sell a product to racists.

            This rewrite of history from social justice history hacks, who suck at their jobs, is insane. Which school did you learn this from?

          • June 10, 2019 at 7:19 pm
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            And I know for a fact you can’t find me a hundred examples.

            This is like the ok symbol being a term for hate, or some woman actually trying to argue hysteria was used more often for women in psychiatry, so the word itself is sexist.

            Balderdash. This is precisely the identarian politics I mentioned above.

            Do you know why I’ll call it marijuana? Because everyone I knew did. And none of them were conservatives, in point a, so are you admitting that liberals are racist now since they overwhelmingly use the word? And in point b, none of them were racists.

            This is such complete nonsense, I cannot believe it, and you on the left are refusing to stand up to this, instead, you would rather go after people like Craig, when they get passionate and sound mean.

            One is a personality flaw, we all have, the other is a structural flaw, integrated with our schools, and needs to be discouraged.

            As per my other link, tag words regarding race have exploded since 2011, and this knucklehead tried to tell craig to use another word since it’s racist, even though it isn’t his intent. That leads to fascism guys, policing offensive words.

            GET YOUR SIDE IN CHECK OR I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR THEM.

          • June 10, 2019 at 7:22 pm
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            And when I say everyone I knew did, I mean the ones I knew who used it.

            I’ve used it, though I cut out of it due to it definitely being addictive (lies that it isn’t) and having vastly more affects on ruining lives (as I saw) than alcohol. Every 20 year old drinks. I’ve never seen one get lazy and fail to graduate as a result. On the other side…I’ve seen pot smokers stay in college for 5 years or more not picking a career, or drop out to smoke more. While some people succeed on it, I next to never see alcohol frat boys drop out after they start drinking.

            So I tend to think marijuana’s affects are completely glossed over and not properly studied, but that isn’t the point here.

            My point was the word usage and to clarify I knew people of every race calling it marijuana, I have literally never heard anyone, a single person, call it cannabis!!! AND I LIVE IN THE SEATTLE AREA. Are they all racist?????

      • June 10, 2019 at 7:14 pm
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        What the bloody hell is this?

        Knock it off.

      • June 11, 2019 at 3:23 pm
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        Really? Racist? Are you kidding me? Time to get over yourself.

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    No stoner has offered proof that refute recent studies showing pot to be harmful to cerebral functions. Stoners can only CENSOR those who cite such studies, to try to conceal them. Censoring involves switching VPN locations, or superBOTS that marIJuana.com cannot block.

    • June 10, 2019 at 8:20 am
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      “No stoner has offered proof that refute recent studies showing pot to be harmful to cerebral functions.”

      As I said earlier, and you already replied to this so I don’t understand why you still don’t get it …

      Nobody is saying marijuana is GOOD for you — people are saying we should have the freedom to choose for ourselves to use it or not.

      • June 10, 2019 at 9:13 am
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        Straw Man Argument. I referred to recent, credible, unbiased studies that point to HARMS of pot use over extended periods of time. I think there are NO GOOD EFFECTS… show me otherwise with proof from a credible source.

        • June 10, 2019 at 9:43 am
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          I agree pot is harmful, and have admitted as much numerous times (e.g. don’t drive while high, don’t smoke while pregnant, and many other negative effects that the plant causes) so why do you demand that I prove otherwise? I completely disagree there is NO good effect – specifically related to chemo patients who have no appetite and to help reduce a specific type of seizure.

        • June 10, 2019 at 9:48 am
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          Advocating personal choice is not a “straw man argument”. You think there are no good effects? Don’t use it. I think it makes me withdrawn, so I don’t use it, but I don’t try to foist my decision on others.

          This is America, remember? Land of the free?

          • June 10, 2019 at 12:20 pm
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          • June 10, 2019 at 3:46 pm
            Fair Playing Field says:
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            You forgot alcohol, Craigosaurus.

          • June 10, 2019 at 5:02 pm
            Craig Cornell says:
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            Alcohol is already legal, Brain Death. We are talking about legalizing things not legal. Try to keep up.

          • June 10, 2019 at 8:42 pm
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            The same argument WAS used for alcohol when it was temporarily illegal during Prohibition, Senor Santayana. What are you, concussed?

        • June 10, 2019 at 9:48 am
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          Here’s a credible study showing CBD-heavy marijuana is beneficial as an anticonvulsant. The study does admit “THC is associated with many undesired effects, including addiction liability, psychiatric disorders, cognitive and motor impairment and, possibly, also cardiovascular toxicity. The maturing brain is also more vulnerable to the adverse of effects of marijuana, and there is evidence of THC impairing structural and functional connectivity during brain development…”

          Like the study, I have no problem admitting marijuana has many negative effects, but it also has some positive ones that shouldn’t be ignored.

          https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5767492/

          • June 10, 2019 at 12:26 pm
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          • June 10, 2019 at 1:23 pm
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            So what?

            Polar said “I think there are NO GOOD EFFECTS… show me otherwise with proof from a credible source.”

            That’s why I provided a link to a credible study showing that CBD-heavy marijuana DOES have a positive effect as an anticonvulsant.

            Now I shall reiterate — like the study, I have no problem admitting marijuana has many negative effects, but it clearly has some positive ones that shouldn’t be ignored either.

          • June 10, 2019 at 2:52 pm
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            You and I both know he meant THC products.

          • June 10, 2019 at 4:38 pm
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            Duh Craig.

            That’s why I said “CBD-heavy” (which means the weed includes THC in it) and not “CBD-only” (which means the strand would have 0% THC in it).

            Once again you’re trying to argue when we agree.

            I don’t get you.

          • June 11, 2019 at 10:59 am
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            ….and Craig & Polar go silent. You know kiddos, admitting you misunderstood a post or that someone provided evidence that made you acknowledge your stance isn’t supported by credible studies is not a character flaw. It’s actually a sign of being a mature adult. I’m not holding my breath that I’ll hear back from either of you two on this matter though.

          • June 11, 2019 at 2:37 pm
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            You have got to be kidding me.

            By the normal standard, “including addiction liability, psychiatric disorders, cognitive and motor impairment and, possibly, also cardiovascular toxicity. ”

            outweigh convulsion, and a standard drug to control it.

            You are being dishonest about the debate so Craig is giving up.

            You aren’t being more adult, and bragging at the end like that is even more childish, you’re trying to humiliate him.

            The ego is astounding. You don’t understand him at all, but he does you, as per my study. You’re making a moral argument, not a logical one, especially seen by this: Would you take a drug for convulsion with those side affects, instead of I don’t know, the ones on this list with far lesser affects like:

            Gabapentin (Neurontin):
            Weight gain
            Behavioral changes including hyperactivity

            Nearly any positive affect pot has, something else does better. It is not a medicine. It’s a recreational high, with lots of negative affects. When I said in this same post I have not made up my mind, and I believe many folks lie that it isn’t addictive, leave it to you to actually make up my mind that it is addictive (your own quote of negative affects) and include freaking psychiatric disorders! You did not in the past argue this drug was addictive I remember you arguing against that fact! Are you going to admit YOU were wrong?

            https://www.rxlist.com/seizure_medications/drugs-condition.htm#common-seizure-medications-side-effects

            You didn’t even bother to look and see if a drug did the supposed positive affect better, you simply had a point to make that Craig or Polar had said they see no positive affect with marijuana, and you wanted to list one to call him wrong, however, he is STILL right. You know what he means by this, that there is no net positive affect or use from his perspective that puts marijuana as the best medical solution.

            That is what he meant. I am not agreeing with it, though I will say it is likely true. You don’t have the research to prove it, and neither do I, but your example here is balderdash and you should know it, and be ashamed of it.

  • June 7, 2019 at 5:52 pm
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    New York’s governor said “he doesn’t think there will be enough votes in the state Senate to pass the bill before lawmakers finish their session”

    Proof that you can vote for Democrats until you are blue in the face like Obama and pot still remains illegal. Democrats wont ever give you everything you want because then you wont need them any more and will want JOBS, Safe Streets and a Strong Economy. Stop voting for Democrats like a gaggle of stunes!

    • June 10, 2019 at 12:48 pm
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      Let’s see, New York is run by Democrats. Democrats won’t vote to legalize Pot for Fun. Where are the loud-mouth Insurance Journal pot fans to attack this New York version of Reefer Madness!

      That Green Wave for marijuana legalization we have been told is inevitable nationally looks more like a dying ripple now Pot Fans.

      • June 10, 2019 at 4:46 pm
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        Ripple?

        There is a road, no simple highway
        Between the dawn and the dark of night
        And if you go, no one may follow
        That path is for your steps alone

        • June 10, 2019 at 5:00 pm
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          Wow. Far out, man. Totally awesome. Almost relevant and intelligent . . .

          • June 11, 2019 at 9:30 am
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            Grateful Dead, man. It doesn’t speak to you?

    • June 10, 2019 at 5:54 pm
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      “Proof that you can vote for Democrats until you are blue in the face like Obama and pot still remains illegal”
      Yea, but at least they will increase taxes..

  • June 10, 2019 at 2:23 pm
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    Just last week I came across my first Pot Farm prospect. should be interesting.I agree that it has medical benefits. There is no denying that. IL legalized it. All IL wants is the tax revenue. Prtizger is already ramming new taxes down their throat. Wi elected a dem and he is ramming taxes down our throats in WI. Also talking about legalizing it. Evers just wants more tax money. When you vote Dem, all you are saying is please raise my taxes.

  • June 11, 2019 at 8:15 am
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    The smoke does age the brain prematurely; I can see that in my own family, many of whom are recovering hippies.

    • June 11, 2019 at 10:12 am
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      Nobody on this site has ever argued it is completely safe and has no short and/or long-term effects. I think we all agree on that point.

      • June 11, 2019 at 2:20 pm
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        You say this again and again, but then that’s the only reason to ban the drug.

        So you’re basically debating dishonestly to shrug off criticism about the effects of the drug.

        So are you going to say you’re ok with this affect, or that it doesn’t exist?

        Every time you say this in reply, which let’s face it, is just your ego, you look like a complete tool.

        • June 11, 2019 at 2:52 pm
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          Hi “I don’t read your posts anymore” bob, thanks for chiming in.

          Just because a product is not 100% safe is not enough to warrant a ban on said product. To wit: there is NOT ONE SINGLE FDA approved drug with ZERO side effects.

          Should we ban ALL drugs with ANY side effects? Of course not. We should warn people about the potential side effects and let adults use their own discretion in deciding what to put in their body.

          That is not dishonest debating.

          That is the stance of someone who advocates for personal freedoms so long as those decisions aren’t impacting others (e.g. drive and be high = 100% illegal. sitting on your couch smoking weed while watching TV = 100% legal).

        • June 11, 2019 at 3:28 pm
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          “Hi “I don’t read your posts anymore” bob, thanks for chiming in.”

          Your intro is why I rarely ready your post REPLIES to my posts.

          I make my points, and you make absurd commentary like the above, which mean nothing to the conversation at hand. If you want to have adult conversations on the topics at hand, stop making unrelated commentary jabs, when we insult you mid conversation on the right, it’s related to the topic at hand.

          I put above a comment you haven’t replied to and I expect you can’t, since I made you look like a complete idiot, regarding pot and positive affects for convulsion. Your weakness is in making moral arguments, and ah ha gotcha arguments. I don’t have time for them. So I ignore much of your posts.

          To your topic at last:

          “Just because a product is not 100% safe is not enough to warrant a ban on said product. To wit: there is NOT ONE SINGLE FDA approved drug with ZERO side effects. ”

          This does not make an argument as to which drugs we should ban. This is a very childish argument and does not allow me to discern which we should and should not. It is clear you are pro pot solely to be the “freedom fighter”.

          “Should we ban ALL drugs with ANY side effects? Of course not. We should warn people about the potential side effects and let adults use their own discretion in deciding what to put in their body.”

          It is odd you use the word drug considering how you talk about Marijuana. I don’t really consider it one, but you just related it to other drugs so I will assume you do. It still is a recreational “drug” for lack of a better term, with negative side affects. I think we should regulate most of those types of drugs, the question is how much. In the case of pot, I do not think we can call it safe, and it does not have a medicinal purpose that could not be filled in other ways. The let adults decide what to put in their bodies is still a childish argument. You clearly support heroine being banned yes? Why don’t they get the choice of what to put in their own bodies? Clearly there are limits, you won’t make them tangible, and thus why Craig calls you an idiot and refers to heroine each time. You’re the child. This is a childish argument. You have repeatedly said you acknowledge the drug has bad side affects. Yet you have not drawn solid lines as to why and when a drug should be banned, and thus I can’t trust you to make a drug legal, or illegal. Your discernment is in question and both these arguments do not make the debate of safety limits.

          “That is not dishonest debating. ”

          Yes it is. For the reasons I explained above.

          “That is the stance of someone who advocates for personal freedoms so long as those decisions aren’t impacting others (e.g. drive and be high = 100% illegal. sitting on your couch smoking weed while watching TV = 100% legal).”

          By this measure LSD can be legal. You have not shown adult decision making skills as to harm vs good vs why something should or should not be restricted. You pulled an absurd childish tantrum.

          I do not have time for you.

        • June 11, 2019 at 3:35 pm
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          This,

          “You have repeatedly said you acknowledge the drug has bad side affects. Yet you have not drawn solid lines as to why and when a drug should be banned, and thus I can’t trust you to make a drug legal, or illegal. Your discernment is in question and both these arguments do not make the debate of safety limits.”

          Is why your debate is dishonest. Each time you say you aren’t saying marijuana doesn’t have negative side affects, and you say that you acknowledge it has them, including psychiatric issues for god’s sakes, and addiction issues, for god’s sakes, you refuse when you do that to draw the lines as to when drugs should be banned. You just say this same thing you did to me, that people should be able to put what they want in their bodies.

          We are having a debate about drug regulation. Are not negative affects reasoning to consider regulation of a drug? But you then try to side step it, by saying “Yeah, I never said there weren’t any” and you proceed to use that to call your opponent unreasonable, to disregard their debate, and end with “everyone should be able to put what they want into their own bodies” but when questioned about heroine, you then use that to make your opponents discredited even more, when it is relevant.

          WHAT ARE THE LIMITS. When should something be banned? What negative affects constitute reason for regulation? You clearly don’t support what you yourself just said about people should be able to do what they want with their bodies, as you support heroine regulation, so, that comment is being dishonest about the debate at hand, and, so is any comment about acknowledging negative affects while saying the drug should be legal any way, shrugging off each negative affect. What is the affect which would be considered too far, if not psychiatric issues?

        • June 11, 2019 at 6:44 pm
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          To recap: Making it legal recreationally doesn’t seem to make sense. There are issues.

          Making it legal for medicinal purposes, should only be when it is the best option. I don’t see a lot of evidence for it being the best option in the scenarios it is used, or your convulsion aspect. At the very least, research should be done as it has not been, per this source. Dosage, etc, has not been reviewed. If you want to talk about making it legal before going through any sort of certification or research similar to an FDA approved medicine, you’re out of your mind, and far too biased to debate on this topic.

          https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/322051.php

          Some of these medicines also have bad side effects, but they are known, as are the dosages, as they have been researched. If they are the better known less side affects drugs, they should always be used first for pain. I have now gone over convulsions with specific medicines, and chronic pain. Try to keep up. Trey Gowdy talks about this as well, he says if you want congress to make it legal, they have to do research. For some reason you on the left refuse to follow a standard with marijuana because of feelings oriented comments like yours above. You are acting like a child on the matter, I don’t trust you with it, again, and I am not even sold on one side or the other. I’m highly skeptical of it, healthy skeptical, for good reason, and you lack more skepticism with legalization than I do keeping it illegal, this is not at all debatable on that point. I have said I am not sure where I stand, and could see bad aspects, and asked people to make an argument for it here so I could see their points. As of now, I see no logical point from your end other than “It’s my body” “it’s not fair” “should we make ALL drugs illegal and alcohol?” and absurd low level intellect comments about false equivalency. You talk pretty, but your data isn’t there. I can’t agree with you because you won’t make your case. MAKE YOUR CASE.

          htt p s://www.mayoclinic.org/chronic-pain-medication-decisions/art-20360371

          It is insane how much you instead rely on people like Craig to say “See!!! See!!! THE OTHER SIDE IS UNREASONABLE!!! LEGALIZE IT NOW!”

          You’re jumping far too fast into legalization. I don’t like it.

          Craig is jumping far too far into the negatives, but that is precaution. What is the reason behind your jumping and putting people at potential risk?

          • June 12, 2019 at 8:48 am
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            I tried to read past your straw man arguments, ad homenim attacks, your whataboutism’s, your logical fallacies, and your appeal to probability and ignorance and hypocrisy to see what part of your argument warranted a logical and well positioned response, but there was just too much noise in the channel.

            If you’re able to rephrase your dozen-plus paragraphs into a reasonable and rational argument devoid of the myriad of argument fallacies you used in your last 3 posts, I’d be happy to reply in kind.

          • June 17, 2019 at 3:52 pm
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            Rosenblatt, the king of the word parsers is complaining about Bob. What else is new?

  • June 11, 2019 at 2:14 pm
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    Another pro-vote for slackers and snowflakes……and so the US continues its descent into irrelevancy. What’s next, free heroin for all?

  • June 17, 2019 at 11:49 am
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    Ill is so broke they need to become drug dealers. They hate the rich so much that they will tax them right out of the state and rely on Gambling to survive until they have a Gamblers problem.Soon enough, all the smokers will realize they can jump the border and avoid their cig tax. Gas tax too.



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