Recre-Pot supporters will love the trivial conclusion of this study; with medi-pot replacing opioids for pain management, the number of opioid deaths will almost necessarily decline because fewer people are using opioids. The clue to the improved results is the greater redux of deaths for states with ‘legal access with dispensaries’. Think about it. In my mind, dispensaries exist to dispense medi-pot, not recre-pot. Correct me if I’m wrong.
So, in states without ‘legal access with dispensaries’, existing laws allow recre-pot because, as I interpret it, licensed dispensaries are required to dispense medi-pot. I would use the term ‘outlet’ or ‘store’ to refer to recre-pot retailers. In turn, one must conclude that recre-pot doesn’t necessarily, significantly reduce opioids deaths.
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I will correct you because you are wrong – dispensaries dispense recreational MJ as well, in states where recreational is legal. Not to mention the paraphernalia needed if one’s method of ingesting is either smoking or vaping.
The term ‘dispensary’ should be restricted to medi-pot. Outlet or store should be used to describe purveyors of recre-pot. There is a need to use different terms for different levels of control & care by purveyors of different end-usage of pot.
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Well, the term used to be used in terms of the government agencies here in the US that dispensed alcohol. Not sure why you are getting hung up on that word, but to each their own.
Not only this, it is physically impossible to overdose on MJ alone. I am not saying it hasn’t led to death when combined with other factors such as driving and/or other drugs, for example. But, no one can OD by too much MJ alone. Unlike opiods. Are there negatives of MJ? Of course there are. But, this is article certainly speaks to a positive and the opiod epidemic needs to come to an end. Sounds like MJ might be one of the answers.
Using MJ to stop an opioid addiction passes the buck.
There might be consequences which aren’t death, like perhaps create a larger flux of folks that don’t empathize, (dopamine affects your moral code as well I might add) or don’t become productive (massive spending then required).
There are better ways of handling the opioid crises than looking at pot as a solution.
Captain Planet, your statement that it is impossible to overdose on Marijuana is simply untrue. Have you researched Marijuana induced psychosis? By the way, overdose does not technically imply death. One can overdose on a drug and not die. I just want to make sure we are using the same terms.
Exactly right. Ending up in a mental hospital with psychosis is anyone’s definition of an overdose. But don’t expect an honest and brave answer from Kangaroo.
You can also consume so much THC to become paranoid and commit violence, something cops are seeing much more of in States that legalized. I would consider that an overdose as well. Most of the victims are wives and girlfriends. (Somehow, MeToo doesn’t care.)
Man, are you trapped in the Reefer Madness era in other ways? Are you just walking around shocked at all these dames wearing dresses above the knees or slacks? It is laughable what you believe you old crabapple.
Right. Suicide doesn’t count when people so paranoid or psychotic do something incredibly dangerous or actually kill themselves. (If we just ignore all the deaths from various THC-induced causes, your statement holds up just fine.)
Craig, you’re just jumping to a different post to argue the same crap that’s been refuted elsewhere on this post. You’re spreading misinformation and false truths ala Reefer Madness, as mentioned above in your now hidden posts. Go back to reddit with this nonsense.
August 20, 2019 at 5:27 pm
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Craig,
There is a lot of issues with our mental health system in general. I feel the younger generation has de-stigmatized mental health issues, and identify that there are a lot of people out there that benefit from seeking a professionals help. The older generation from my experiences still holds the negative connotation with these things.
You are also trying to draw a correlation (again correlation does not mean causation, stats 001), without doing any of the actual research, you are basing it off of personal experience. Bad way to draw statistical conclusions.
August 21, 2019 at 7:32 pm
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You don’t know what your talking about. I have followed the development of pot laws and science closely for over 10 years.
Want a link? Want a dozen links? Or are you just another Jon, a half-wit pop-off with no real intellect or curiosity?
Let me know. I’ll show you suicides are up for pot users and a whole lot of other damning science too.
August 21, 2019 at 8:43 pm
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LOL aren’t you tired of getting shut down for your fake news article science and phony crede tials? You claim others don’t know what they’re talking about who are legitimately trying to help you since you come off as completely delusional on here. Your opinions are baseless and you have no conclusive evidence, just random occasionally correct statistics that lead you to insane inaccurate conclusions. The world is moving on without you, stop whining about it at least.
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No Craig,
I am someone who actually does know what they are talking about. Where I talk to multiple people going through schools that actually are digging into the science behind cannabis and how they are teaching it to pharmacists and doctors so that if they work in a state where it is legal, they know the benefits and negative affects of cannabis, and they go into studies to show how what they are teaching is credible. It is really in depth and a great way to learn about the subject at hand when you learn from actual doctors who dig into the studies and the chemical components.
Again, you can chalk it up to cannabis as the root for the suicide, but there was something more going on that those around were failing to see. It is easy to chalk it up to a tangible object rather than dealing with the more complex issue, the brain.
We have gone round and round on this Craig. You have given me links to bad studies, and I have given you links to credible ones. We have also discussed how long you have been looking into this and why, and your personal experience has caused a bias and I don’t think we will ever agree on the topic. You try to demonize those who support, like you do with most other things. Have a good day man.
One detail of the opioid death declines that is not analyzed is the impact of OTHER FACTORS on the decline. Can the FULL 20% to 25% declines be entirely attributed to recre-pot laws? Medi-pot laws? I think not. Prove otherwise if you disagree with my supported OPINION.
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UNSUBSTANTIATED CLAIM ALERT. Your argument avoids things like facts, data and actual life experience. Please go back to reddit where this sort of trolling belongs. You do not know anything about Marijuana except fear.
He’s not doxxing him, he put the name of Craig’s company out there, which btw for anyone that googles Craig Cornell is a pretty easy find. This is what happens when grandpa tries to learn the internets and what words like “Doxxing” mean. Secondly, you’ve got some ruby tinted eyeglasses there because every behavior you listed off is in response to Craig and Agent doing the exact same thing to liberals over the past two years I’ve been following this board. Pretty frustrating when someone calls your types out for the same crap you call us out for, isn’t it?
You don’t want conversation. You want YOUR opinion out there. You want to talk about the silly liberals and point fingers, and pat yourselves on the back. That’s where my problem is. You’re sheep and you should be ashamed of yourselves, I’m just having fun pointing out your hypocritical behaviors.
You may be correct; however we can not ignore the very serious impact regular MF use can have on an individual. It is a fact that one major effect is extreme paranoia. Let’s not make this drug a safe alternative to opiates.
Actually, paranoia as a side effect tends to go away with prolonged use. That’s why people freak out the first time they smoke, because they get too high and get paranoid. Again, you have to get your information from people with firsthand experience here or you’re just spreading fear and misinformation. Medical marijuana prolonged my mother’s life another 3 years where she wouldn’t have been able to eat otherwise. She was only happy and sleepy as side effects. The dozen prescription pills she was on made even the scent of food lead to nausea, marijuana helped. Not that it makes me an expert, I just wonder how many people here that feel qualified to comment have actually known a regular marijuana smoker, let alone been one. When it comes down to it, it’s less dangerous than alcohol or cigarettes. Why do some people on this board care so much? Why is another human being taking part in something their state finds legal your problem?
They take note of they selected people who had tried pot at least once prior. So the goal was people who would have already experienced the drug.
“Again, you have to get your information from people with firsthand experience here or you’re just spreading fear and misinformation”
Or, you have to quote studies. Anecdotal is not always the best way of approaching things.
Marijuana also harms natural dopamine production. Dopamine is your reward system I might add, this means it literally would cause you to be less motivated. By the way: I called this before the researchers did. The moment I saw that the drug caused dopamine release, I argued to people here that anything that affects dopamine production is addictive because the mind craves pleasure / reward.
h ttps://americanaddictioncenters.org/marijuana-rehab/long-term-effects
Lowering natural dopamine release has so many potential issues here.
“https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/know-your-mind/201407/cannabis-really-can-cause-paranoia
They take note of they selected people who had tried pot at least once prior. So the goal was people who would have already experienced the drug.”
Correlation is not causation. If you read the study itself the headline is very misleading. I appreciate your attempts to refute my statements without any first-hand experience, but you’re wrong here. Many, many people have been lifetime smokers and you would never know. People are able to maintain their careers, families and social lives while still smoking marijuana. Is the problem jealousy, since you can’t? What motivates you to feel so strongly against something that potentially helps others?
“Or, you have to quote studies. Anecdotal is not always the best way of approaching things.”
It helps if you actually read the studies you post, since as stated that study found correlation, not causation.
Additionally, in response to your dopamine notes maybe look at https://www.drugrehab.com/addiction/alcohol/alcoholism/alcohol-and-dopamine/ since lots of things harm natural dopamine production. Exercising too much can harm natural dopamine production” your argument is looking for flaws instead of actually looking at the facts.
Marijuana can affect ambition, sure, but it is far less harmful than many, many things we find reasonable. Don’t preach about the dangers of Marijuana while letting Alcohol or Tobacco slide by. And if you’re so worried about the harmful effects, what about the prescription drugs we allow that have far worse consequences? Why don’t you have any issue with opiates or SSRIs for that matter?
Jon, I know and love a habitual marijuana smoker and can tell you it destroys brilliant minds. It’s a mind numbing drug that allows users to not face reality. It doesn’t take much time for you to see that their mental abilities are reduced and yes, it causes psychosis. When you have a close family member wasting away from marijuana use then come back and talk about how wonderful it is. I get that it may help terminally ill people like your mom and sure, I’d be thankful that my loved one could get some relief from a terminal illness, but watching a bright, athletic young person waste away from marijuana use is one of the worst experiences of life.
Once again with feeling: The problem is accountability. It’s very likely your loved one has deeper problems that you’re refusing to deal with and simply blaming the marijuana. Think of it like alcohol: We all work with someone who seems relatively put together, but every Christmas party they drink too much and go over the top and do something stupid. Should alcohol be banned for everyone else at the office because Steve has issues? Steve has some things to work out with. The idea of it causing psychosis is just silly and has been proven wrong many times, we’re not in the Reefer Madness era and I’ll assume you’re just trolling here because that’s such an asinine argument. The idea of a close family member “wasting away” from marijuana is laughable. Maybe the problem is you just weren’t a great parent, have you considered that? Maybe you didn’t instill values and responsibility into your child. God forbid you look internally though, right?
My information is first hand. I have been involved in the recovery community for over 15 years. I have a close relative who has first hand experience. I just read a book written by a mother of a son, now a paraplegic, about her son’s experience with Marijuana. His paranoia resulted in him throwing himself into the windshield of a car. Will be glad to provide you with the info on the book if interested.
I’m glad your information is first hand in that you read a book, worked with the recovery community (vague) and have a close relative. My mother smoked medicinally and I have smoked recreationally for the last 16 years. While hesitant to admit that because it can lead to judgement in the workplace, I already get that from the conservative dinosaur base on this board so really what does it matter. I have a successful career, a family that loves me and I have never been in trouble with the law or other substances. My father grew it in his youth successfully on a wide scale. My mother smoked medicinally and it prolonged her life. I have seen this substance first-hand(actually) and the issues I have seen have all been from other influences, not the marijuana itself. People are stupid and make mistakes and have issues, and whether it’s alcohol, marijuana or something stronger those issues are going to manifest because of the person, not the plant they happened to get their hands on and smoke. Marijuana is not a boogeyman, it just helps you be bored less. The issue isn’t the drug, the issue is control. There are people that like to control what other people are doing. They don’t want their freedoms infringed upon (when it’s guns and is REALLY capable of hurting others) but they want to infringe the freedoms of others (smoking a plant). What about this makes sense, really?
It wasn’t a questioning of morals, his response simply did not make sense. Did either of you read the two posts prior? Maybe it’s time to re-up that optometry prescription grandpa. You snowflakes can’t even get your insults right.
And I am very sorry about your mother. I do understand there are some medical benefits to people suffering from certain diseases but I will disagree with your broad based opinion on MJ
How many actual marijuana smokers have you known? Ballpark, not just seen or worked in your office but you didn’t speak to them, how many marijuana smokers have you actually broken bread with?
UNSUBSTANTIATED CLAIM ALERT. Your argument avoids things like facts, data and actual life experience. Please go back to reddit where this sort of trolling belongs. You do not know anything about Marijuana except fear. You are blatantly lying in the above statement.
If anyone believes you’ve seen “many” I have a bridge to sell you. I’d like names, specific instances, of which I doubt you have any. Aside from the fact that you’re not a doctor, medical information is not freely given to outside observers, so how would you know they were “marijuana addicts” which btw does not exist? Your stupidity here is baffling on enough levels that I had to come back to it shaking my head.
August 15, 2019 at 6:45 pm
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I have been asked to help 3 families with sons addicted to pot and I have met many many more. The word got around that I am an expert and so people I have never met sought me out.
I have been in a mental hospital 6 times as a visitor, 5 times to the lock-down unit. And the staff reports on seeing psychotic kids coming in to the mental hospital every weekend. Some become permanently mentally ill.
Talk to young people and ask if they know people who scrommit. Most do.
I answered your question. You answer mine.
I mean, if you aren’t just a clown.
August 15, 2019 at 6:56 pm
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The fact that you think someone can become addicted to pot says more about the situation than anything else. I bet you believe you can pray away the gay too huh? It’s great that you expect us to believe staff at a medical facility is freely giving away confidential diagnosis information, but I find that hard to believe.I can’t say I’ve known any marijuana addicts, because I’m not over the age of 75 and I know that’s not actually a thing, Grandpa.
August 15, 2019 at 7:59 pm
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I bet you thought your marketing videos would be totally fine if you recorded them yourself. They’re not. You just look like someone who’s been in trouble for smelling women’s shoes at the mall.
August 16, 2019 at 10:57 am
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I’m simply fighting hypocrites, Perplexed. Your side seems totally fine with taking away the rights of others, but god forbid we ever try to go after your guns or religion. Your side likes to take away rights from others, even when your side is in the minority. The people want marijuana, the facts show it’s less harmful than most things, your side just can’t grow up and deal with being wrong about anything.
August 16, 2019 at 7:12 pm
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“I’m simply fighting hypocrites, Perplexed. Your side seems totally fine with taking away the rights of others,”
Incorrect, conservatives don’t take away rights.
“but god forbid we ever try to go after your guns or religion.”
Going after religion is not ok, and this statement shows you think it is.
“Your side likes to take away rights from others, even when your side is in the minority.”
Citation needed and we can debate about it.
“The people want marijuana,”
Regulation or marijuana is not taking away a right. And I might add when the medicine community over used heroin, that caused a crises. We don’t want to redo that now.
” the facts show it’s less harmful than most things,”
But still harmful, and, more harmful than other regulated substances, like even cough syrup for god’s sakes.
“your side just can’t grow up and deal with being wrong about anything.”
That’s you. What has the left done wrong? One example please. You’re not simply fighting hypocrites by the way, that’s how you justify saying things off topic. We don’t fight personalities but topics. That is how one should debate, as opposed to this:
” bet you thought your marketing videos would be totally fine if you recorded them yourself. They’re not. You just look like someone who’s been in trouble for smelling women’s shoes at the mall.”
Which is not appropriate nor relevant. You are immature and immoral, because you focus on the moral high ground. The older republicans used to do it, and you’re making the same mistake. It’s not ok for them, or then in the 90’s, and it’s not ok for the youth in modern day to do it on the left, and they do.
August 16, 2019 at 7:15 pm
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Sorry, tired, I mean over used morphine, so many drugs so little time.
The fact is we have had crises come to be due to the government over prescribing medicines in the past, and now.
To think Marijuana will pose no risk is insane. To say it’s less than others and therefore is ok, does not establish what drugs we should regulate. What is considered bad enough? What are your parameters? You don’t have any. I asked this to someone before and they said “my standards are anyone can do what they want with their bodies”. That includes heroin. He later admitted that fact. What are your standards for drug regulation? Yours have a reason to be in question, the right don’t.
August 16, 2019 at 8:50 pm
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Lol you’re a joke dude. Yeah Republicans don’t take away rights. They don’t think gays should marry or women should decide what happens with their bodies or poor black people should vote, or Muslims should be allowed in the country or anything, but they don’t take away rights. You’re full of it bro. No citation needed yours is strictly the side of deciding “I don’t like what you’re doing over there, stop it”. No one ever said marijuana would pose no risk, you’re just grasping at straws with this entire thing, and don’t you have better things to do than get shut down by me? You’ve said so three times but you keep coming back with this nonsensical garbage, I’d think you’d be tired by now gramps
August 16, 2019 at 9:26 am
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Jon,
Come on now. What are you asking? I have spent years with a relative ADDICTED to MJ.. I have “broken bread” with many while they were in a recovery program. What is your experience other than your mother? (again I am very sorry about your mother’s illness and do understand you want to try everything for your love ones to get well.) Again, you are way off base saying MJ is not harmful.
I outlined my experience above. Years of personal experience from direct use and association with dozens who also use. The fact that you come from a place where you believe marijuana addiction is a thing really sets the tone for where your head’s at, you’re coming from a place of judgement, lacking in understanding. You’re deciding you know what’s best for others without direct personal experience. You’re a person who’s never had a drop arguing for prohibition. It didn’t work then, and it won’t work now.
Now I have a read on you. A Pot Head. Someone who really can’t reason.
Someone who says “addiction isn’t real” when the evidence from nearly every reputable medical source says it is real, including the American Psychiatric Association, the National Association of Mental Health, the Center for Disease Control, etc.
And to argue that “I consume THC and my friends do and we are just fine” is so specious an argument (look up the word).
“Hey everybody, me and my buddies drink booze and have for years and no one is an alcoholic so that proves you can’t get addicted to alcohol!”
August 20, 2019 at 2:00 pm
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You do need to draw the distinction between physical and mental addiction, though. Alcohol can be both whereas MJ is mental due to how it is metabolized in the body. No one is going to get the DTs from MJ. Though, without a doubt, it can become a mental addiction.
August 20, 2019 at 3:03 pm
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Lol Craig you’re going to find a reason to dismiss me and anyone who opposes you no matter what, it doesn’t matter what you think of me. I have a great read on you, as a stodgy old dinosaur with his fingers in his ears and his head in the sand. The fact is that you don’t like what others are doing so you’ve created nonsense to justify your own personal control issues here. I never made that argument that it was fine, you’re putting words in my mouth once again, I’ve merely stated that a place of understanding would be more beneficial than your Reefer Madness era fear and misinformation. It would behoove a normal person to do some research into a subject before making grand claims about it, but I guess we should know better than to expect that from you since if the right-wing doesn’t argue for it, you won’t buy it. Baa, baa, little sheep.
August 20, 2019 at 5:06 pm
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Jon I find if quite hypocritical of you to bash other for sharing their personal experiences yet you use yours and those of people you know to substantiate yours. You can’t have it both ways, if you want to use your personal experience and those of people you know to argue your point of view then you need to accept others who may not agree with you when they use their own.
Also you call out Craig and Polar for how they talk to people on here and the things they say yet you do the EXACT same thing to those that don’t agree with you. I have been reading your responses on several of these articles and I must say I find your arguments right up there with Craig and Polar……..to full of your own selves to ever look at the opposite side.
August 20, 2019 at 5:42 pm
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What’s the difference between a physical and a mental addiction?
Nothing to the addicted. Both addictions destroy lives, relationships, careers. Both addictions are painful to break for the addicted.
Which is why every Medical Association recognizes that 1 in 9 THC consumers become addicted (and 1 in 6 who start in high school).
Yay, Pot Heads! Keep on Lying: “it’s NOT addictive. it’s NOT addictive!”
August 20, 2019 at 5:51 pm
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Great pointing out “every Medical Association” but lets see some links. Let’s see some backing up of that claim. Especially since there’s been very little actual testing done on marijuana because up until recently there’s been a stranglehold on marijuana research in this country. But, you know, keep pushing misinformation. I’ll be right here.
YAY Old people who don’t understand things but like to yell about them nonetheless! Maybe try shuffleboard instead?
August 20, 2019 at 6:53 pm
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“The National Institute on Drug Abuse says marijuana can be addictive and could be considered a “gateway drug” to using other drugs. Experts believe that higher THC levels and increased usage could increase the likelihood of physical dependence.”
August 20, 2019 at 7:14 pm
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Lot of coulds in those findings, not a whole lot of actual findings. I can admit that it may be somewhat addictive, in the same way doing fun things is addictive, but it’s not on the level of cocaine or heroin that you repeatedly attribute it. There are no marijuana addicts. People don’t lose their wife and kids and jobs over marijuana “addiction”, they may blame that but those people were likely to lose those things over other reasons. It’s about deep seated issues with a person, as I mentioned above and you then went on to start arguing down here instead. You know, the one about halfway up the page there? Nice effort though
August 20, 2019 at 7:36 pm
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Others who say marijuana is addictive:
Center for Disease Control
American Psychiatry Association
National Association on Mental Illness
American Medical Association
and about every other major medical organization you can name.
(But I’ll ignore them. I’ll trust “Jon”. He’s a genius. And honest!)
August 20, 2019 at 8:21 pm
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Did I say it wasn’t at all addictive? Because I remember saying there was no such thing as marijuana addiction, not that it wasn’t addictive. But hey, argue semantics while still trying to convince people that marijuana addiction is serious and you’ve counseled children for it. I truly feel bad for the teenagers that had to listen to you ramble about the dangers of marijuana for 90 minutes. Like DARE but uglier, I imagine.
August 20, 2019 at 10:03 pm
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“Because I remember saying there was no such thing as marijuana addiction, not that it wasn’t addictive.”
Wait, what? You high, bro?
August 21, 2019 at 9:19 am
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The difference between mental and physical addiction is large, Craig. Ever heard of, “mind over matter”? It is so much easier to kick a mental habit than a physical one. Give me a break, man! Are you even serious with your question or are you just trolling again?
August 21, 2019 at 10:27 am
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Man, I thought my simile was perfect but I’ll try again.
Craig’s just trolling. If you insult him, he cries about how you’re reverting to insults, but when he doesn’t have any other arguments it’s his first response. He’s just trying to win any part of the argument he can, but he knows his belief in marijuana addiction is an outlier theory of ultra conservative at best. The vast majority of the country approve marijuana, since it’s significantly less of a risk than alcohol. He’s just salty about it.
August 21, 2019 at 11:16 am
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Craig just stated that 1.1% of people who try MJ get mentally addicted. Not physically addicted, because that is impossible. 1 out of 9 people. Compare this to other substance abuse, juxtapose it.
I’m just going to leave this right there.
August 21, 2019 at 11:37 am
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Apparently, pot interferes with your ability to read and comprehend plain English. I will re-print what I printed already. See if you can find the words “physical dependence” this time.
“The National Institute on Drug Abuse says marijuana can be addictive and could be considered a “gateway drug” to using other drugs. Experts believe that higher THC levels and increased usage could increase the likelihood of physical dependence.”
What I like is that you just repeated useless information that doesn’t assist your argument because you have no further factual evidence to assist your outdated, naive, fearful position on the subject. Can’t wait for more insults, which is usually your next step!
August 21, 2019 at 5:43 pm
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Craig,
Really an insult in Spanish? For those of you who do not know Spanish, he called Jon a clown.
Get over yourself and debate like an adult.
August 21, 2019 at 8:49 pm
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Odd stance that they leave your Spanish insults but delete my responses. Oh well, they left a page of me insulting you up for an entire weekend sonincant complain too much. The Spanish curses are the most interesting thing you’ve done in weeks Craig lol
August 21, 2019 at 8:49 pm
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Oh they deleted them while I typed that lol
August 16, 2019 at 1:23 pm
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Another pot argument. I already know who is for and who is against. When Docs took away my wifes opiates, we turned to that oil stuff. If she feels pain coming on, she sneaks off into the shadows and takes a puff, comes back just fine.
When these words are used in climate science, you dismiss them. Guess what, some experts know higher THC levels still metabolize the same, the solubility doesn’t change, and hence, there is no physical dependence.
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Did I say it wasn’t at all addictive? Because I remember saying there was no such thing as marijuana addiction, not that it wasn’t addictive. But hey, argue semantics while still trying to convince people that marijuana addiction is serious and you’ve counseled children for it. I truly feel bad for the teenagers that had to listen to you ramble about the dangers of marijuana for 90 minutes. Like DARE but uglier, I imagine.
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“Because I remember saying there was no such thing as marijuana addiction, not that it wasn’t addictive.”
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I will correct you because you are wrong – dispensaries dispense recreational MJ as well, in states where recreational is legal. Not to mention the paraphernalia needed if one’s method of ingesting is either smoking or vaping.
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Well, the term used to be used in terms of the government agencies here in the US that dispensed alcohol. Not sure why you are getting hung up on that word, but to each their own.
Not only this, it is physically impossible to overdose on MJ alone. I am not saying it hasn’t led to death when combined with other factors such as driving and/or other drugs, for example. But, no one can OD by too much MJ alone. Unlike opiods. Are there negatives of MJ? Of course there are. But, this is article certainly speaks to a positive and the opiod epidemic needs to come to an end. Sounds like MJ might be one of the answers.
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Captain Planet, your statement that it is impossible to overdose on Marijuana is simply untrue. Have you researched Marijuana induced psychosis? By the way, overdose does not technically imply death. One can overdose on a drug and not die. I just want to make sure we are using the same terms.
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Man, are you trapped in the Reefer Madness era in other ways? Are you just walking around shocked at all these dames wearing dresses above the knees or slacks? It is laughable what you believe you old crabapple.
Augustine,
I meant die from OD – thank you for helping me clarify. And that is 100% true. You can’t MJ yourself to death by the substance alone.
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Craig, you’re just jumping to a different post to argue the same crap that’s been refuted elsewhere on this post. You’re spreading misinformation and false truths ala Reefer Madness, as mentioned above in your now hidden posts. Go back to reddit with this nonsense.
Craig,
There is a lot of issues with our mental health system in general. I feel the younger generation has de-stigmatized mental health issues, and identify that there are a lot of people out there that benefit from seeking a professionals help. The older generation from my experiences still holds the negative connotation with these things.
You are also trying to draw a correlation (again correlation does not mean causation, stats 001), without doing any of the actual research, you are basing it off of personal experience. Bad way to draw statistical conclusions.
You don’t know what your talking about. I have followed the development of pot laws and science closely for over 10 years.
Want a link? Want a dozen links? Or are you just another Jon, a half-wit pop-off with no real intellect or curiosity?
Let me know. I’ll show you suicides are up for pot users and a whole lot of other damning science too.
LOL aren’t you tired of getting shut down for your fake news article science and phony crede tials? You claim others don’t know what they’re talking about who are legitimately trying to help you since you come off as completely delusional on here. Your opinions are baseless and you have no conclusive evidence, just random occasionally correct statistics that lead you to insane inaccurate conclusions. The world is moving on without you, stop whining about it at least.
No Craig,
I am someone who actually does know what they are talking about. Where I talk to multiple people going through schools that actually are digging into the science behind cannabis and how they are teaching it to pharmacists and doctors so that if they work in a state where it is legal, they know the benefits and negative affects of cannabis, and they go into studies to show how what they are teaching is credible. It is really in depth and a great way to learn about the subject at hand when you learn from actual doctors who dig into the studies and the chemical components.
Again, you can chalk it up to cannabis as the root for the suicide, but there was something more going on that those around were failing to see. It is easy to chalk it up to a tangible object rather than dealing with the more complex issue, the brain.
We have gone round and round on this Craig. You have given me links to bad studies, and I have given you links to credible ones. We have also discussed how long you have been looking into this and why, and your personal experience has caused a bias and I don’t think we will ever agree on the topic. You try to demonize those who support, like you do with most other things. Have a good day man.
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UNSUBSTANTIATED CLAIM ALERT. Your argument avoids things like facts, data and actual life experience. Please go back to reddit where this sort of trolling belongs. You do not know anything about Marijuana except fear.
I will file a complaint with IJ and ask you to ban the person using my company’s name to post comments.
Oh my god…
I cannot even begin to believe that someone here is so blatantly stupid.
Do you really think this isn’t going to bite you in the rear end? I didn’t know what Craig was talking about initially until I googled it.
Really? What law is he breaking? Looks like Freedom of Speech to me.
Crybaby snowflake conservative dinosaurs, I tell ya.
He’s not breaking a law. He is an immoral coward.
He’s not doxxing him, he put the name of Craig’s company out there, which btw for anyone that googles Craig Cornell is a pretty easy find. This is what happens when grandpa tries to learn the internets and what words like “Doxxing” mean. Secondly, you’ve got some ruby tinted eyeglasses there because every behavior you listed off is in response to Craig and Agent doing the exact same thing to liberals over the past two years I’ve been following this board. Pretty frustrating when someone calls your types out for the same crap you call us out for, isn’t it?
You don’t want conversation. You want YOUR opinion out there. You want to talk about the silly liberals and point fingers, and pat yourselves on the back. That’s where my problem is. You’re sheep and you should be ashamed of yourselves, I’m just having fun pointing out your hypocritical behaviors.
You may be correct; however we can not ignore the very serious impact regular MF use can have on an individual. It is a fact that one major effect is extreme paranoia. Let’s not make this drug a safe alternative to opiates.
Actually, paranoia as a side effect tends to go away with prolonged use. That’s why people freak out the first time they smoke, because they get too high and get paranoid. Again, you have to get your information from people with firsthand experience here or you’re just spreading fear and misinformation. Medical marijuana prolonged my mother’s life another 3 years where she wouldn’t have been able to eat otherwise. She was only happy and sleepy as side effects. The dozen prescription pills she was on made even the scent of food lead to nausea, marijuana helped. Not that it makes me an expert, I just wonder how many people here that feel qualified to comment have actually known a regular marijuana smoker, let alone been one. When it comes down to it, it’s less dangerous than alcohol or cigarettes. Why do some people on this board care so much? Why is another human being taking part in something their state finds legal your problem?
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“https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/know-your-mind/201407/cannabis-really-can-cause-paranoia
They take note of they selected people who had tried pot at least once prior. So the goal was people who would have already experienced the drug.”
Correlation is not causation. If you read the study itself the headline is very misleading. I appreciate your attempts to refute my statements without any first-hand experience, but you’re wrong here. Many, many people have been lifetime smokers and you would never know. People are able to maintain their careers, families and social lives while still smoking marijuana. Is the problem jealousy, since you can’t? What motivates you to feel so strongly against something that potentially helps others?
“Or, you have to quote studies. Anecdotal is not always the best way of approaching things.”
It helps if you actually read the studies you post, since as stated that study found correlation, not causation.
Additionally, in response to your dopamine notes maybe look at https://www.drugrehab.com/addiction/alcohol/alcoholism/alcohol-and-dopamine/ since lots of things harm natural dopamine production. Exercising too much can harm natural dopamine production” your argument is looking for flaws instead of actually looking at the facts.
Marijuana can affect ambition, sure, but it is far less harmful than many, many things we find reasonable. Don’t preach about the dangers of Marijuana while letting Alcohol or Tobacco slide by. And if you’re so worried about the harmful effects, what about the prescription drugs we allow that have far worse consequences? Why don’t you have any issue with opiates or SSRIs for that matter?
Jon, I know and love a habitual marijuana smoker and can tell you it destroys brilliant minds. It’s a mind numbing drug that allows users to not face reality. It doesn’t take much time for you to see that their mental abilities are reduced and yes, it causes psychosis. When you have a close family member wasting away from marijuana use then come back and talk about how wonderful it is. I get that it may help terminally ill people like your mom and sure, I’d be thankful that my loved one could get some relief from a terminal illness, but watching a bright, athletic young person waste away from marijuana use is one of the worst experiences of life.
Once again with feeling: The problem is accountability. It’s very likely your loved one has deeper problems that you’re refusing to deal with and simply blaming the marijuana. Think of it like alcohol: We all work with someone who seems relatively put together, but every Christmas party they drink too much and go over the top and do something stupid. Should alcohol be banned for everyone else at the office because Steve has issues? Steve has some things to work out with. The idea of it causing psychosis is just silly and has been proven wrong many times, we’re not in the Reefer Madness era and I’ll assume you’re just trolling here because that’s such an asinine argument. The idea of a close family member “wasting away” from marijuana is laughable. Maybe the problem is you just weren’t a great parent, have you considered that? Maybe you didn’t instill values and responsibility into your child. God forbid you look internally though, right?
My information is first hand. I have been involved in the recovery community for over 15 years. I have a close relative who has first hand experience. I just read a book written by a mother of a son, now a paraplegic, about her son’s experience with Marijuana. His paranoia resulted in him throwing himself into the windshield of a car. Will be glad to provide you with the info on the book if interested.
I’m glad your information is first hand in that you read a book, worked with the recovery community (vague) and have a close relative. My mother smoked medicinally and I have smoked recreationally for the last 16 years. While hesitant to admit that because it can lead to judgement in the workplace, I already get that from the conservative dinosaur base on this board so really what does it matter. I have a successful career, a family that loves me and I have never been in trouble with the law or other substances. My father grew it in his youth successfully on a wide scale. My mother smoked medicinally and it prolonged her life. I have seen this substance first-hand(actually) and the issues I have seen have all been from other influences, not the marijuana itself. People are stupid and make mistakes and have issues, and whether it’s alcohol, marijuana or something stronger those issues are going to manifest because of the person, not the plant they happened to get their hands on and smoke. Marijuana is not a boogeyman, it just helps you be bored less. The issue isn’t the drug, the issue is control. There are people that like to control what other people are doing. They don’t want their freedoms infringed upon (when it’s guns and is REALLY capable of hurting others) but they want to infringe the freedoms of others (smoking a plant). What about this makes sense, really?
What the hell are you talking about?
It wasn’t a questioning of morals, his response simply did not make sense. Did either of you read the two posts prior? Maybe it’s time to re-up that optometry prescription grandpa. You snowflakes can’t even get your insults right.
“His paranoia resulted in him throwing himself into the windshield of a car.”
Sounds like he MIGHT have had some underlying issues that predated his consumption of MJ.
I know people who are pulling in 6-7 figures who crush it work daily and who smoke MJ regularly; just like mine, your anecdotes are not data.
And I am very sorry about your mother. I do understand there are some medical benefits to people suffering from certain diseases but I will disagree with your broad based opinion on MJ
How many actual marijuana smokers have you known? Ballpark, not just seen or worked in your office but you didn’t speak to them, how many marijuana smokers have you actually broken bread with?
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UNSUBSTANTIATED CLAIM ALERT. Your argument avoids things like facts, data and actual life experience. Please go back to reddit where this sort of trolling belongs. You do not know anything about Marijuana except fear. You are blatantly lying in the above statement.
If anyone believes you’ve seen “many” I have a bridge to sell you. I’d like names, specific instances, of which I doubt you have any. Aside from the fact that you’re not a doctor, medical information is not freely given to outside observers, so how would you know they were “marijuana addicts” which btw does not exist? Your stupidity here is baffling on enough levels that I had to come back to it shaking my head.
I have been asked to help 3 families with sons addicted to pot and I have met many many more. The word got around that I am an expert and so people I have never met sought me out.
I have been in a mental hospital 6 times as a visitor, 5 times to the lock-down unit. And the staff reports on seeing psychotic kids coming in to the mental hospital every weekend. Some become permanently mentally ill.
Talk to young people and ask if they know people who scrommit. Most do.
I answered your question. You answer mine.
I mean, if you aren’t just a clown.
The fact that you think someone can become addicted to pot says more about the situation than anything else. I bet you believe you can pray away the gay too huh? It’s great that you expect us to believe staff at a medical facility is freely giving away confidential diagnosis information, but I find that hard to believe.I can’t say I’ve known any marijuana addicts, because I’m not over the age of 75 and I know that’s not actually a thing, Grandpa.
I bet you thought your marketing videos would be totally fine if you recorded them yourself. They’re not. You just look like someone who’s been in trouble for smelling women’s shoes at the mall.
I’m simply fighting hypocrites, Perplexed. Your side seems totally fine with taking away the rights of others, but god forbid we ever try to go after your guns or religion. Your side likes to take away rights from others, even when your side is in the minority. The people want marijuana, the facts show it’s less harmful than most things, your side just can’t grow up and deal with being wrong about anything.
“I’m simply fighting hypocrites, Perplexed. Your side seems totally fine with taking away the rights of others,”
Incorrect, conservatives don’t take away rights.
“but god forbid we ever try to go after your guns or religion.”
Going after religion is not ok, and this statement shows you think it is.
“Your side likes to take away rights from others, even when your side is in the minority.”
Citation needed and we can debate about it.
“The people want marijuana,”
Regulation or marijuana is not taking away a right. And I might add when the medicine community over used heroin, that caused a crises. We don’t want to redo that now.
” the facts show it’s less harmful than most things,”
But still harmful, and, more harmful than other regulated substances, like even cough syrup for god’s sakes.
“your side just can’t grow up and deal with being wrong about anything.”
That’s you. What has the left done wrong? One example please. You’re not simply fighting hypocrites by the way, that’s how you justify saying things off topic. We don’t fight personalities but topics. That is how one should debate, as opposed to this:
” bet you thought your marketing videos would be totally fine if you recorded them yourself. They’re not. You just look like someone who’s been in trouble for smelling women’s shoes at the mall.”
Which is not appropriate nor relevant. You are immature and immoral, because you focus on the moral high ground. The older republicans used to do it, and you’re making the same mistake. It’s not ok for them, or then in the 90’s, and it’s not ok for the youth in modern day to do it on the left, and they do.
Sorry, tired, I mean over used morphine, so many drugs so little time.
The fact is we have had crises come to be due to the government over prescribing medicines in the past, and now.
To think Marijuana will pose no risk is insane. To say it’s less than others and therefore is ok, does not establish what drugs we should regulate. What is considered bad enough? What are your parameters? You don’t have any. I asked this to someone before and they said “my standards are anyone can do what they want with their bodies”. That includes heroin. He later admitted that fact. What are your standards for drug regulation? Yours have a reason to be in question, the right don’t.
Lol you’re a joke dude. Yeah Republicans don’t take away rights. They don’t think gays should marry or women should decide what happens with their bodies or poor black people should vote, or Muslims should be allowed in the country or anything, but they don’t take away rights. You’re full of it bro. No citation needed yours is strictly the side of deciding “I don’t like what you’re doing over there, stop it”. No one ever said marijuana would pose no risk, you’re just grasping at straws with this entire thing, and don’t you have better things to do than get shut down by me? You’ve said so three times but you keep coming back with this nonsensical garbage, I’d think you’d be tired by now gramps
Jon,
Come on now. What are you asking? I have spent years with a relative ADDICTED to MJ.. I have “broken bread” with many while they were in a recovery program. What is your experience other than your mother? (again I am very sorry about your mother’s illness and do understand you want to try everything for your love ones to get well.) Again, you are way off base saying MJ is not harmful.
I outlined my experience above. Years of personal experience from direct use and association with dozens who also use. The fact that you come from a place where you believe marijuana addiction is a thing really sets the tone for where your head’s at, you’re coming from a place of judgement, lacking in understanding. You’re deciding you know what’s best for others without direct personal experience. You’re a person who’s never had a drop arguing for prohibition. It didn’t work then, and it won’t work now.
Now I have a read on you. A Pot Head. Someone who really can’t reason.
Someone who says “addiction isn’t real” when the evidence from nearly every reputable medical source says it is real, including the American Psychiatric Association, the National Association of Mental Health, the Center for Disease Control, etc.
And to argue that “I consume THC and my friends do and we are just fine” is so specious an argument (look up the word).
“Hey everybody, me and my buddies drink booze and have for years and no one is an alcoholic so that proves you can’t get addicted to alcohol!”
You do need to draw the distinction between physical and mental addiction, though. Alcohol can be both whereas MJ is mental due to how it is metabolized in the body. No one is going to get the DTs from MJ. Though, without a doubt, it can become a mental addiction.
Lol Craig you’re going to find a reason to dismiss me and anyone who opposes you no matter what, it doesn’t matter what you think of me. I have a great read on you, as a stodgy old dinosaur with his fingers in his ears and his head in the sand. The fact is that you don’t like what others are doing so you’ve created nonsense to justify your own personal control issues here. I never made that argument that it was fine, you’re putting words in my mouth once again, I’ve merely stated that a place of understanding would be more beneficial than your Reefer Madness era fear and misinformation. It would behoove a normal person to do some research into a subject before making grand claims about it, but I guess we should know better than to expect that from you since if the right-wing doesn’t argue for it, you won’t buy it. Baa, baa, little sheep.
Jon I find if quite hypocritical of you to bash other for sharing their personal experiences yet you use yours and those of people you know to substantiate yours. You can’t have it both ways, if you want to use your personal experience and those of people you know to argue your point of view then you need to accept others who may not agree with you when they use their own.
Also you call out Craig and Polar for how they talk to people on here and the things they say yet you do the EXACT same thing to those that don’t agree with you. I have been reading your responses on several of these articles and I must say I find your arguments right up there with Craig and Polar……..to full of your own selves to ever look at the opposite side.
What’s the difference between a physical and a mental addiction?
Nothing to the addicted. Both addictions destroy lives, relationships, careers. Both addictions are painful to break for the addicted.
Which is why every Medical Association recognizes that 1 in 9 THC consumers become addicted (and 1 in 6 who start in high school).
Yay, Pot Heads! Keep on Lying: “it’s NOT addictive. it’s NOT addictive!”
Great pointing out “every Medical Association” but lets see some links. Let’s see some backing up of that claim. Especially since there’s been very little actual testing done on marijuana because up until recently there’s been a stranglehold on marijuana research in this country. But, you know, keep pushing misinformation. I’ll be right here.
YAY Old people who don’t understand things but like to yell about them nonetheless! Maybe try shuffleboard instead?
“The National Institute on Drug Abuse says marijuana can be addictive and could be considered a “gateway drug” to using other drugs. Experts believe that higher THC levels and increased usage could increase the likelihood of physical dependence.”
Lot of coulds in those findings, not a whole lot of actual findings. I can admit that it may be somewhat addictive, in the same way doing fun things is addictive, but it’s not on the level of cocaine or heroin that you repeatedly attribute it. There are no marijuana addicts. People don’t lose their wife and kids and jobs over marijuana “addiction”, they may blame that but those people were likely to lose those things over other reasons. It’s about deep seated issues with a person, as I mentioned above and you then went on to start arguing down here instead. You know, the one about halfway up the page there? Nice effort though
Others who say marijuana is addictive:
Center for Disease Control
American Psychiatry Association
National Association on Mental Illness
American Medical Association
and about every other major medical organization you can name.
(But I’ll ignore them. I’ll trust “Jon”. He’s a genius. And honest!)
Did I say it wasn’t at all addictive? Because I remember saying there was no such thing as marijuana addiction, not that it wasn’t addictive. But hey, argue semantics while still trying to convince people that marijuana addiction is serious and you’ve counseled children for it. I truly feel bad for the teenagers that had to listen to you ramble about the dangers of marijuana for 90 minutes. Like DARE but uglier, I imagine.
“Because I remember saying there was no such thing as marijuana addiction, not that it wasn’t addictive.”
Wait, what? You high, bro?
The difference between mental and physical addiction is large, Craig. Ever heard of, “mind over matter”? It is so much easier to kick a mental habit than a physical one. Give me a break, man! Are you even serious with your question or are you just trolling again?
Man, I thought my simile was perfect but I’ll try again.
Craig’s just trolling. If you insult him, he cries about how you’re reverting to insults, but when he doesn’t have any other arguments it’s his first response. He’s just trying to win any part of the argument he can, but he knows his belief in marijuana addiction is an outlier theory of ultra conservative at best. The vast majority of the country approve marijuana, since it’s significantly less of a risk than alcohol. He’s just salty about it.
Craig just stated that 1.1% of people who try MJ get mentally addicted. Not physically addicted, because that is impossible. 1 out of 9 people. Compare this to other substance abuse, juxtapose it.
I’m just going to leave this right there.
Apparently, pot interferes with your ability to read and comprehend plain English. I will re-print what I printed already. See if you can find the words “physical dependence” this time.
“The National Institute on Drug Abuse says marijuana can be addictive and could be considered a “gateway drug” to using other drugs. Experts believe that higher THC levels and increased usage could increase the likelihood of physical dependence.”
My number should be 10.1% – just want to clarify.
What I like is that you just repeated useless information that doesn’t assist your argument because you have no further factual evidence to assist your outdated, naive, fearful position on the subject. Can’t wait for more insults, which is usually your next step!
Craig,
Really an insult in Spanish? For those of you who do not know Spanish, he called Jon a clown.
Get over yourself and debate like an adult.
Odd stance that they leave your Spanish insults but delete my responses. Oh well, they left a page of me insulting you up for an entire weekend sonincant complain too much. The Spanish curses are the most interesting thing you’ve done in weeks Craig lol
Oh they deleted them while I typed that lol
Another pot argument. I already know who is for and who is against. When Docs took away my wifes opiates, we turned to that oil stuff. If she feels pain coming on, she sneaks off into the shadows and takes a puff, comes back just fine.
Lol I love how you turn to insults when your argument falls apart. You’ll think of something, don’t worry sport! 26 out of 27 amirite?
Oops, I thought this didn’t go through, but on second thought my second-draft up above was WAY better I think.
believe
could
likelihood
When these words are used in climate science, you dismiss them. Guess what, some experts know higher THC levels still metabolize the same, the solubility doesn’t change, and hence, there is no physical dependence.
Please link to those reputable scientists.
“Alcohol can be addictive”. Captain Kangaroo: “See, I told you booze wasn’t addictive!”
You mixing me up with Jon?
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Did I say it wasn’t at all addictive? Because I remember saying there was no such thing as marijuana addiction, not that it wasn’t addictive. But hey, argue semantics while still trying to convince people that marijuana addiction is serious and you’ve counseled children for it. I truly feel bad for the teenagers that had to listen to you ramble about the dangers of marijuana for 90 minutes. Like DARE but uglier, I imagine.
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“Because I remember saying there was no such thing as marijuana addiction, not that it wasn’t addictive.”
Wait, what? You high, bro?
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Craig wait, are YOU high, bro?
OMG that is the best
Wow; in other news, water is wet.