Study Points to Toxic Chemicals as Likely Cause of Vaping Lung Ailments

By | October 3, 2019

  • October 3, 2019 at 10:15 am
    PolarBeaRepeal says:
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    So, the original thought that the mineral oils/ other fatty substances droplets were the cause of the recent vaping-related deaths is unlikely, according to the recent MAYO Clinic study.

    The more likely implication of the study results (to date) is that toxic chemicals are the cause of 17 illnesses, including 12 deaths, studied. But the study makes NO CONCLUSION as to which chemicals are the cause of death/ illness, or if COMBINATION of toxic chemicals are fatal.

    So, they’ve (almost) eliminated the oil drops theory. And they’ve narrowed the possibilities in their search to pot/ THC or nicotine as [a] potential root cause[s]. The last sentence of the article, pasted below, is teasing because it doesn’t follow through with the answer to the obvious question: i.e. “were the 12 cases of THC use coincident or only partially coincident with the 12 deaths?”

    Last sentence of the article:

    ” Consistent with previous findings, 12 of the 17 patients had a history of vaping with marijuana or cannabis oils. “

    • October 3, 2019 at 10:37 am
      rob says:
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      that’s a fair point.

      At the end of the day, inhaling ANYTHING other than good old-fashioned AIR (or a doctor-prescribed medication) just isn’t good for you. Personally, I’ve never understood the vaping thing, though I guess it’s technically safer than smoking cigarettes.

      PS–did you know that competitive vaping exists? Look it up on the internet…it’s pretty wacky.

    • October 3, 2019 at 11:00 am
      Rosenblatt says:
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      “…they’ve narrowed the possibilities in their search to pot/ THC or nicotine as [a] potential root cause[s].”

      This comment does not hold up to critical thinking. We know people who only smoke THC have had issues, and we know there are cases where people who only smoked tobacco had the same issues.

      Soooo….

      If the problem was the nicotine, people who vaped only THC wouldn’t have any issues
      If the problem was the THC, people who vaped only nicotine wouldn’t have any issues.

      Using logical reasoning, that leaves ADDITIVES as the likely culprit. Your post makes it seem like they narrowed it down to EITHER nicotine OR THC and ignores all additives which are not minerals nor fatty substances.

      • October 3, 2019 at 2:55 pm
        PolarBeaRepeal says:
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        Rosie; go back to high school and take a remedial chemistry class. The cause of the illnesses and deaths does not have to be an exclusive source cause. Various chemical agents react when combined; e.g. iron and oxygen = rust = iron oxide. hydrogen + oxygen = H2O, etc. Combining THC and nicotine, either simultaneously (rarely used as such), immediately or in short succession, may cause the illness when they are in vapor (near gaseous state) form.

        • October 3, 2019 at 2:59 pm
          PolarBeaRepeal says:
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          The study did NOT consider additives. Or, the additives were considered and were not deemed worthy of mention because their impact was found to be nil.

          But, I am open to the possibility of additives being the culprit, alone or in chemical combination with THC (more likely than nicotine because of past history of tobacco products with flavorings added)…. however slim may be the probability.

          Answer this question; why do you believe additives are alone or in tandem with the main ingredients (nicotine, THC) the cause / co-factor of illnesses? Where is your study found that suggests such?

          • October 3, 2019 at 4:41 pm
            Agent says:
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          • October 3, 2019 at 4:42 pm
            flawedlogic says:
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            Polar your assertions are not correct overall. You are still linking the overall the cannabis, which is not true. Overall the have found toxic chemicals in both vaping products that they are investigating as the toxic chemicals are causing harm.

            By saying that it is the THC causing this harm is untrue.

            While yes a majority of the people were using cannabis vaping products, not all were. That indicates it cannot only be THC or even nicotine.

            “Brandon Larsen, a surgical pathologist at the Mayo Clinic in Scottsdale, Arizona, and the senior author of the study, in a statement. “Instead, it seems to be some kind of direct chemical injury, similar to what one might see with exposures to toxic chemical fumes, poisonous gases and toxic agents.””

            It is not the THC reacting with chemicals, rather the products have toxic chemicals that are harming people.

            Let’s not misinform people here

          • October 3, 2019 at 4:43 pm
            flawedlogic says:
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            Mike (agent),

            Stop with your hate.

          • October 3, 2019 at 9:00 pm
            Craig Cornell says:
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            Lighten up. Many people who vape THC also vape nicotine.

            Evidence shows that 1 in 4 high school kids vape nicotine and the numbers are similar for those who report using THC products in the last 30 days.

            You think that’s a coincidence? (“Hate”. Man, you Leftys are boring.)

          • October 4, 2019 at 11:06 am
            Jon says:
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            Once again, Craig, you’re making statements without providing the evidence and you can’t be trusted to do that because you lie about facts. Cite your sources.

            Really? I find your failed, repeated attempts at misinformation boring. Good thing I’ll be right here to shut you down. :)

        • October 4, 2019 at 8:39 am
          Rosenblatt says:
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          Polar – why did you feel the need to insult my intelligence as the first part of your reply? Are you incapable of disagreeing with someone without making an ad homenim attack?

          Anyway – I’m familiar with basic chemistry, Newtonian fluids, Redox equations, quantum entanglement, the slit experiment and much more science stuff. I understand chemicals can change based on adding or removing other chemicals or just due to their natural atomic half-life.

          All of those points are moot though. Since there isn’t a definitive answer yet, I’m simply applying the Occam’s Razor theory to what could be happening. You’re adding unnecessary assumptions to come to your argument whereas my belief is based on making the least amount of assumptions as possible to come to a potential answer.

          You asked “why do you believe additives are alone or in tandem with the main ingredients (nicotine, THC) the cause / co-factor of illnesses? Where is your study found that suggests such?”

          I already answered that, but okay, I’ll say it again — if it was JUST THC causing this problem, people who ONLY used nicotine would be fine. Vice versa.

          Also, if it was JUST THC causing this, there would have been numerous cases from the past few decades of people who vaped the flower type of marijuana that did not contain any additives (say using your flower in a “volcano” apparatus).

          There is no study – this is my belief. That’s why I said “likely culprit” was additives and your argument doesn’t hold up to “logical reasoning.”

          • October 7, 2019 at 11:02 am
            Libertarian Agent says:
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            Don’t mention the double slit experiment to the haters on here. The thought of a parallel universe (or several) is against god and will only get you bullied more.

  • October 3, 2019 at 9:04 pm
    Craig Cornell says:
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    flawedlogic picked a PERFECT on-line name.

    Polar quoted the article, which left the issue open. And re-read Polar’s post about high school chemistry and the possibility that mixed chemicals, including THC, might produce an toxic combination.

    Stop being a shill for Big Pot. The answers aren’t clear yet and THC isn’t off the hook.

    • October 4, 2019 at 9:46 am
      Agent says:
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      Craig, Texas A & M announced they are banning Vaping on their entire campus and properties. Good for them. Hope more schools will do the same.

    • October 4, 2019 at 11:07 am
      Jon says:
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      You’re lying. You know the common sense answer here is that it’s an additive, but you’re once again trying to spread fear and misinformation about marijuana due to your personal bias. It’s disgusting and pathetic that you continue to try to spread lies to further your anti-marijuana agenda.

      • October 5, 2019 at 2:10 pm
        Craig Cornell says:
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        Okay, Basement Boy, you know better than the CDC.

        Who would have guessed you would say the THC is blameless? Again. And again. ZZZZZ.

        • October 7, 2019 at 6:22 pm
          Jon says:
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          I would say the THC is blameless because the data as well as common sense would both dictate the THC is blameless. What with it’s being used and vaporized for many, many years now. Keep on with the baseless insults though, they make you look oh-so intelligent.

  • October 4, 2019 at 7:55 pm
    Rosenblatt says:
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    This is a test of the emergency Bobcast system. While we appreciate your passion, we do not have the capacity to respond to every argument you’ve made. When responding like that in the past, you have attacked us for not responding to every point you brought up and ignored the responses we did provide.

    Should you wish to continue a mature discussion, we ask you to post your top 3-5 points for a response. We also ask you limit your insults to 3 per topic, and demand 0 comments stating what you think someone was saying or thinking so they can speak for themselves.

    However, if your intent is to make 50 different shotgun arguments late on a Friday night with no intent to ever respond as you’ve done in the past, please resume your normal posting behavior.

    We now return you to your regularly scheduled program.



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