Vaping-Related Illnesses Could be Due to Multiple Causes: U.S. Health Agencies

October 11, 2019

  • October 11, 2019 at 2:03 pm
    Craig Cornell says:
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    “The CDC and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) continue to urge people to stop vaping, especially products containing THC – the high-inducing component in marijuana.”

    For some reason, they didn’t say you should only stop vaping black market THC. Hmmmm.

    • October 11, 2019 at 2:45 pm
      confused says:
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      The CDC is not the AMA. Neither is the CDC the American Psychiatric Association. But nice try attacking THC.

      • October 11, 2019 at 5:06 pm
        Craig Cornell says:
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        The CDC said stay away from all THC vaping products. Attack them. (I think your on-line name if fitting.)

        • October 11, 2019 at 7:00 pm
          Captain Planet says:
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          Not true, Craig. Which is why I posted what the CDC actually published on their website. You are proven to be dishonest again.

        • October 11, 2019 at 7:03 pm
          Craig Cornell says:
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          See below copied directly from your post. Better get to church to repent about lying again. They did NOT carve out black market vaping products. They warned against ALL vaping products.

          “Therefore, CDC recommends that you should not use e-cigarette, or vaping, products that contain THC.”

  • October 11, 2019 at 2:16 pm
    Captain Planet says:
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    For some reason, the CDC didn’t say you should stop vaping flowers. They just point to the oil-based THC products. Hmmmm. Must be some additives in those solutions, like the hydrogen cyanide they found in at least 10 of 18 devices they checked in one instance.

    • October 11, 2019 at 2:36 pm
      Craig Cornell says:
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      The CDC is not the AMA. Neither is the CDC the American Psychiatric Association. The CDC investigates sudden outbreaks. But nice try defending THC. Give your kids some. It’s yummy and since the CDC didn’t say anything, super safe.

      • October 11, 2019 at 2:44 pm
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        You’re trying to spread fear and misinformation about THC. As noted, the fear is black market vaping products, so as stated they should avoid vaping products containing THC. Vaping THC itself is perfectly fine. Your claims about the American Psychiatric Association have been proven false time and time again, as you’ve claimed they’ve stated that THC causes psychosis and schiozphrenia (It doesn’t, and they haven’t) so you’re just attempting the same lies on different message boards now? Pathetic, Craig, even for you.

        • October 11, 2019 at 6:25 pm
          Jon says:
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          They said all THC vaping products, not all THC. Which is exactly what Captain said, and then you tried to defer to your misinformation about the American Psychiatric Association. You know exactly what you’re doing, stop feigning ignorance, it just makes you look even more pathetic.

        • October 11, 2019 at 6:57 pm
          Craig Cornell says:
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          You high? Re-read my very first comment. See if you can find the words “vaping and THC”.

      • October 11, 2019 at 2:56 pm
        Captain Planet says:
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        Craig,
        When have I ever said it’s safe? It is an intoxicant. I don’t know of a single intoxicant that could be labeled “safe”. By its nature, it isn’t because it impairs. Duh!

        And, I’ve always said an adult should be able to choose whether or not he/she wants to ingest MJ. A developing brain, aka minors, should steer clear of all intoxicants, including MJ. That’s common and simple knowledge. I will continue to instruct my daughters to not use any intoxicants. Once they are adults, they can then make their choices and face potential negative consequences should they choose to ingest any legal intoxicant. No doubt MJ will be one of them by the time they reach adulthood.

        • October 11, 2019 at 5:09 pm
          Craig Cornell says:
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          My guess is you are a better father than that, and will actually warn your daughters about the scientific connection between THC and psychosis and schizophrenia.

          About the scientific connection to loss of IQ. About the danger to infants in the womb if they ever become pregnant. About loss of motivation and the growing consensus that it dulls a persons range of emotions (ie. no highs and no lows, just dull in-between).

          • October 11, 2019 at 6:26 pm
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            MISINFORNMATION ALERT
            There is no scientific connection between THC and psychosis and schizophrenia. You have been called out for this before. You have one study that had a researcher quoted as “there MAY be a link” and even that researcher said it was too early to draw conclusions. PAthetic, Craig.

          • October 11, 2019 at 6:52 pm
            Craig Cornell says:
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            I showed you 7 studies the other day. You have been called out on this before. MISINFORMATION ALERT!

          • October 11, 2019 at 7:11 pm
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            You mean when you linked to 7 articles, and quoted one of them as saying THC absolutely causes psychosis, but that quote wasn’t in any of the 7 articles you linked? I remember you doing that, I’ve got the log at home. Lies, hypocrisy and cowardice are your bag, Craigy.

      • October 11, 2019 at 3:03 pm
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        BY JON CHRISTIAN / SEPTEMBER 27 2019 (Neoscope)

        “Prepare to meet your vape god.

        In a new investigation, NBC News tested 10 bootleg THC vape cartridges — and found that every single one contained a fungicide that, when heated, can turn into hydrogen cyanide, the literal poison used for the mass-suicide at Jonestown.

        The investigation comes as a mysterious vaping-related respiratory ailment, now linked to 12 deaths, is sweeping the country.

        Some researchers have blamed the deaths and hospitalizations on Vitamin E acetate, a compound that shows up in many vape pens.”

        • October 11, 2019 at 5:16 pm
          Craig Cornell says:
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          Hilarious! You just confirmed my point exactly. The black market has dangerous crap everywhere and you lefties will NEVER shut it down. Congrats!

          Imagine if this was all from one big corporation. You lefties would be outraged the FDA allowed such dangerous product on the market and would be banging drums to sue Big Corporate Pot. (Oh, but it’s black market pot. Never mind. All of a sudden, you are all free market caveat emptor types.)

          Got to go. The California State Police are doing a big round up of illegal pot sellers . . . HA HA HA HA HA!

          • October 11, 2019 at 6:25 pm
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            Actually, I just supported my point about vaping flowers only, should one choose to ingest MJ by vaping. Not 1 case of this lung illness or death has stemmed from vaping the flowers only. It is always oil-based. And, 29% didn’t include THC at all.

            Again, I am an Independent. I vote based on a candidate’s stance and not the letter they represent. I remember when conservatives used to vote based on their principles, too. Now, they pull levers for adulterous crouch grabbers.

          • October 11, 2019 at 7:12 pm
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            LOL Your president literally got caught bragging about it in his first year, it’s become a rallying cry. His wife won’t even touch him LOL

        • October 15, 2019 at 6:43 am
          Po(l)arch Exposes ZuCNN Bear says:
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          NBC News is a medical research firm?!

          Note the distinction of words like ‘can’ and ‘will’.

          What do blood tests of the dead vapers indicate in their system was fatally toxic?

          • October 15, 2019 at 9:04 am
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            Researchers are studying the vitamin E acetate as well as hydrogen cyanide. These are consistent additives in both THC and non-THC e-cigs, AKA, vaping products.

    • October 15, 2019 at 6:38 am
      Po(l)arch Exposes ZuCNN Bear says:
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      Nope. It doesn’t point to any particular additives, per se. It could be THC, as was indicated by FDA and CDC.

      • October 15, 2019 at 9:08 am
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        No, they didn’t say it is the THC. They are saying to steer clear of the e-cigs, or vaping products, containing THC, especially the ones bought on the black market. The CDC knows, as does anyone who is honest, that one cannot die from ingesting THC alone. It’s impossible. The CDC does know there is something else in these oil solutions that is causing these illnesses and deaths. Researchers are studying the vitamin E acetate and the hydrogen cyanide, as two examples of what is being found in these oils. Which is why they are stating you should stay away from e-cigs, with or without THC.

        Now that we have those facts, we may continue.

  • October 11, 2019 at 6:33 pm
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    The below is from CDC’s website:

    Updated October 11, 2019 at 1:00 PM ET

    What we know
    As of October 8, 2019, 1,299* lung injury cases associated with the use of e-cigarette, or vaping, products have been reported to CDC from 49 states, the District of Columbia, and 1 U.S. territory.
    Twenty-six deaths have been confirmed in 21 states.
    All patients have reported a history of using e-cigarette, or vaping, products.
    Most patients report a history of using tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)-containing products. The latest national and state findings suggest products containing THC, particularly those obtained off the street or from other informal sources (e.g. friends, family members, illicit dealers), are linked to most of the cases and play a major role in the outbreak.
    Therefore, CDC recommends that you should not use e-cigarette, or vaping, products that contain THC.
    Exclusive use of nicotine containing products has been reported by some patients with lung injury cases, and many patients with lung injury report combined use of THC- and nicotine-containing products. Therefore, the possibility that nicotine-containing products play a role in this outbreak cannot be excluded.
    At present, CDC continues to recommend that people consider refraining from using e-cigarette, or vaping, products that contain nicotine.

    Guess what, Craig? E-cigarette vaping products are oil-based. Every single one of them, THC or just nicotine. They are not talking about the volcano vaping machines or the paraphernalia designed to vape flowers only BECAUSE THOSE AREN’T E-CIGARETTES!

    • October 11, 2019 at 6:55 pm
      Craig Cornell says:
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      Cool. Tell you daughters to toke up on tons of THC when they get older (but only from the actual weed).

      • October 11, 2019 at 7:02 pm
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        See my above comments regarding my daughters. I posted this from the CDC because it’s quite clear we have to keep you honest and stop your spread of misinformation.

        • October 11, 2019 at 7:08 pm
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          Did the CDC say that weed THC is safe? No. That’s not their job. They report on sudden outbreaks of illness. Now who is being a liar (again)?

          • October 11, 2019 at 7:13 pm
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            Did the CDC say alcohol is safe? No, they’re the CDC. Your attempts at misinformation are insidious and calculated and transparent, you old hack.

          • October 14, 2019 at 9:07 am
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            Correct, they are reporting on an outbreak of illnesses related to oil-based vaping products, or e-cigs, with or without THC. 29% of the cases are from nicotine products only.

            There, now that we have the facts about this CDC report, we can continue.

          • October 14, 2019 at 11:40 am
            Craig Cornell says:
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            Correct. As was my original comment. Two things can be true at the same time. FYI.

            P.S. Out here in California, sales to “regulated” pot shops are down about 20% since the outbreak. Seems many of the vaping products sold “legally” also include vitamin E Acetate. The State doesn’t test for it and it isn’t illegal to include it.

            Good job! California regulators being tough on pot! HA HA HA HA. It it was a big corporation, oh the Lefty outrage! But pot shops that damage people? “Whatever dude, I’m kinda high right now.”

            PPS Chula Vista California just announced the cost to open a new legal pot shop is $55,000. Liberals can’t help but kill businesses with taxes and regulations. That ought to shut down the Black Market, no?

          • October 14, 2019 at 11:45 am
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            This is what you lied about:

            OCTOBER 11, 2019 AT 5:06 PM
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            The CDC said stay away from all THC vaping products.

            I corrected it by actually going to the CDC’s website and providing what they actually published. Your misinformation should not go unchallenged.

          • October 14, 2019 at 5:16 pm
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            Craig, you’ve been called out for lying multiple times, even on this very board. Why should anyone believe anything you say when you continue to lie over and over again about this and other subjects which you have a bias on?

          • October 14, 2019 at 5:19 pm
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            HA HA HA HA HA!

            Courage test for Basement Boy: Google “marijuana and psychosis”.

            Have fun. Then light up a bowl and hit the video games and tell yourself, “THC doesn’t cause psychosis. THC doesn’t cause psychosis. Well, I hope I don’t become psychotic . . .”

          • October 14, 2019 at 6:14 pm
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            As stated numerous times, correlation is not causation. Even when you google “thc psychosis” craig. Keep trying, maybe one day you’ll figure out how to read, but for now your blatant attempts at misinformation come off as actually malicious. Don’t worry, I’m well aware that you’re not smart enough to be maliciously spreading misinformation.

          • October 15, 2019 at 11:59 am
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            Craig,

            I find it hypocritical that you won’t let anyone talk about your family, but you talking about other people’s families is okay?

            You okay there buddy?

            Overall, you are spreading misinformation and your links refute your points every time you post them relating to this unless when you post junk science that confirms what you think.

            Again you aren’t that educated on this subject and you have a lot of strong bias that no one will change. You like to promote false information regarding this, and you make links that others have not done yet. Again correlation does not equal causation. Your psychosis claims are false, and we have discussed the real science regarding this multiple times. you need to stop drawing conclusions that you don’t have the support for. It only shows your bias.

            If you think it it the THC doing it (THC does have dangers and we have again stated them multiple times for you, grow up and stop asking for the same thing every time, you are redundant and it only shows that you don’t really care about this subject besides your false information) rather than the additives, then I think you need to do a lot more research, because you would be… wrong.

          • October 16, 2019 at 11:44 am
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            What are you ever talking about? Seriously.

            When did I talk about someone’s family? Only after Captain Kangaroo talked about his family; he has said before and more than once that he would warn his kids about pot, as he did on this thread (hello?).

            You assume you see every post. You don’t.

            And I have NOT blamed THC for the illnesses and deaths. I HAVE connected THC products to those illnesses and deaths because that is what the CDC said, as did the L.A. Times for California illnesses. Let me see you attack them. As if.

          • October 16, 2019 at 1:01 pm
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            Craig,

            The same was said for you when you first brought them up. I have asked you to provide evidence to the contrary as no one has confirmed your story about who first started, and you have changed who brought up your family first twice now. The situation is the same. You also wished them harm by telling them to smoke. Remember when we said a comment about some else’s family that highlights bias is okay, but ill comments are not? Yours is ill as cap has indicated before smoking should only be for adults.

            I never said I see all posts, but I have had many interactions with most people on here. You not providing evidence about claims is an issue you haven’t changed. When you do provide evidence about 75% of the time you misrepresent the article or you post junk science that only supports your claims.

            Again most of those links are not established science you have provided, you like to share a lot of opinion pieces. You push false information and you say there are established links. Again all false, but you still do that even though we have discussed the issues you continue to bring to this topic for the lack of understanding on your part.

            The CDC reports on outbreaks which is happening right now, but it is not only for cannabis as it has been establish more than 20% are using nicotine only products. I really hope you stop your misinformation campaign Craig.

          • October 17, 2019 at 1:51 pm
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            Let me guess. You smoke pot and the growing scientific evidence of harm from THC scares you.

            Did you see the links from bob outlining the science that THC consumption damages dopamine and seratonin creation in the brain? (The dull, never-emotionally-up pot head explanation.)

            Did you read my multiple links to recent science about the growing connection of THC to psychosis? Schizophrenia?

            Do you want me to post them again? Or are you afraid of the truth?

          • October 17, 2019 at 2:50 pm
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            LOL your responses will always be pathetic Craig because you lack the ability to see that reasonable people disagree with you and see you as the unreasonable one. You turn to petty attacks because your thinking lacks actual data or even logic.

            We’ve been down this road, EVERYTHING affects dopamine and seratonin creation in the brain. Alcohol, sex, everything. The argument that marijuana is dangerous because of that is moot, it’s no more dangerous than a cup of coffee in the morning in that regard.

            We’ve all seen your links about the “growing link” and even the researchers in those studies have said it’s too early to make any hasty claims. Correlation is not causation, you seem to be the only one who’s incapable of grasping that concept. It’s very likely that people with a tendancy towards schizophrenia and psychosis seek marijuana as a self-medicating salve, versus those afflictions actually being caused by the marijuana.

            The only one who seems afraid of the truth is you, Craig. You’re a sad old man who can’t deal with his own failings, so you blame Marijuana. It’s pathetic, just as your petty attacks on Helpingout.

          • October 17, 2019 at 3:05 pm
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            Hey there Craig,

            I think you are having problems remembering conversations people continue to have with you (we have gone over the dangers of cannabis on multiple articles and we agree on some of the issues we both see with pot). Do we need to go over again how I do not smoke cannabis, but I am for personal liberty.

            I did see bob’s link, and the overall affect I agree can cause the dopamine issues. Again though, the overall dopamine overall effects are similar to alcohol how it disrupts the the natural flow of dopamine. Why justify alcohol and not cannabis? If the affects are similar, and the adults know the overall risks (binge drinkers and binge smokers), why should you stop one but not the other?

            I don’t know how many times we have to highlight the psychosis argument for you. There is a correlation between that and cannabis. Correlation does not equal causation, your links say there is a correlation/link depending on the article you post, but overall the same studies have not been replicated, and the study could not exclude some factors. Here is some additional things we have gone over about it:

            1. It can happen to people who have a predisposition to a mental disorder. If you say it can develop in those who do not have predispositions is simply false and we have pointed it out to you multiple times.
            2. First time smokers (with or without predispositions) have the potential to experience psychosis if they over indulge (those without predispositions will only experience it once).
            3. Some links you post on this subject are opinion pieces, find real science.

            Craig, you really need to stop your misleading statements and your simply false ties. It is getting old, we have gone round and round, but you cannot come back with any better comeback besides those who agree with legalization must be pot smokers. It is simply not true, and it is a silly tactic.

            Will you provide evidence to my first paragraph regarding how your story has changed and asking for evidence to the contrary as it leads me to think you were still the first person. If you aren’t going to, that is fine, but at least admit you won’t

          • October 17, 2019 at 10:51 pm
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            Once again, claims without links. I like that now you’re pointing to super old scientific journals as evidence, even though the previous articles you’ve linked to haven’t mentioned any of these. That’s because your sources are not trustworthy, Craig. The sources themselves, sure, but if they’re correct then why is this the first anyone is hearing of them, even you until recent weeks? If you google anything hard enough you can find a result, and that’s what you’ve done. You can literally find studies showing that cigarettes are healthy for you if you look for them hard enough, because the tobacco companies have researched plenty too. You a sucker for that also?

            You are a liar though Craig, you’ve been caught what twice today lying? It’s what you’re getting known for on this board. It’s not name-calling if you’re actually a liar snowflake. Or do you prefer a less edgy term? You non truth teller? That help? Nope, still seems like you’re a liar to me.

            “Many scientists agree” Last I checked, you didn’t speak for “many scientists” did you?

            LOL I just went looking, it was September 3 2019 at 9:49 PM you posted four different links with a quote “Teenagers woh smoke marijuana regularly are about three times more likely to develop schizophrenia, the most devastating psychotic disorder.” except that quote wasn’t in ANY of the links. I saved it, just so every time you try to pretend I can refer back to one (of now many) times you were caught LYING. That’s what liars do Craig, that’s what you do. Anyone have a suggestion on a place that hosts PDFs easy? I’d like to just share this file with everyone when you get mouthy and indignant, to remind everyone that you are a liar :)

  • October 15, 2019 at 4:39 pm
    Smooth says:
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    Proven fact – THC causes Twinkies to taste better than they really are.

    2nd Absolutely truthful fact – Remember back in high school when we studied the great war between Hostess and Little Debbie? Many appetites were changed during those cold, dark years. It was THC that allowed the two sides to come together and negotiate a lasting peace. We also got the Chocodile and snack cakes from the ensuing treaty.

    Another absolutely 100% true fact – THC is the best treatment, THE BEST, for those suffering from lack of appetite syndrome.

    THC isn’t getting the credit it deserves.

    • October 15, 2019 at 4:50 pm
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      Yo, Smoov–

      from what you’ve said about what you’re going through with your cancer treatment, YOU DO WHATEVER IT TAKES. We need you around here at least another 40-50 years, man…you might be the last voice of reason left around here. Keep up your good fight!

    • October 17, 2019 at 10:36 am
      Jon says:
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      Smooth, you continue to be the best poster here.

      • October 17, 2019 at 10:44 am
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        I agree, I hope bob, craig, agent, polar, and jack can take a page from Smooth.

        We really need to stop having comment sections being shut down, Bob was a major contributor to the occupational workplace one. Just in case he says anything, Helpingout did contribute, but the main driving factor was bob.



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