Facing Hundreds of Abuse Claims, Boy Scouts of America Files for Bankruptcy

By | February 18, 2020

  • February 18, 2020 at 3:22 pm
    Common Sense says:
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    Not surprising at all. They had a serious problem with LGBTQueer scoutmasters. No wonder parents didn’t want their boys in that organization.

    • February 18, 2020 at 3:39 pm
      rob says:
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      homosexuality does NOT equal pedophilia. Your blatant ignorance is showing yet again.

      • February 18, 2020 at 4:09 pm
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        • February 18, 2020 at 4:13 pm
          Rosenblatt says:
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          “actual heterosexual people are not pedophiles”

          So…are you saying there are ZERO heterosexual pedophiles? Is that really what you’re saying or was your sentence worded poorly?

        • February 18, 2020 at 5:04 pm
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          Jim,

          Are you implying that only homosexuals are prone to be pedophiles or that heterosexuals will not abuse people in the boy scouts? Both statements are wrong and ignorant of many facts. While on the simplistic level your statement makes sense, but there are many factors not accounted for including former abuse and the cycle of reabusing children. It happens a lot, and there is also a thing called bisexuality as well which some people forget to mention.

          I think you need to educate yourself before you ignorant comments.

      • February 20, 2020 at 7:32 pm
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        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1556756

        It’s a rate of 11:1, homosexual to heterosexual, just an FYI, for pedophiles. There are certain types of men outside of sexuality factors that are more likely than either. In other words, sexuality is not the only difference. This could then be like sharks and ice cream. There are more shark attacks when there is more ice cream, because there are more people at the beach, a factor which links the two but does not mean ice cream causes shark attacks. I still remember that comparison from years ago, and love it to this day.

        Now, the above comment did not even say what you had a problem with. It said the scouts had a problem with LGBT masters, and they did, more than heterosexual. It’s a statement of fact. Apparently facts are offensive to the left now.

        • February 21, 2020 at 11:55 am
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          bob – were you citing the study that flawedlogic identified was from 28 years ago and had limitations in its methodology (such as only looking at convicted predators, who were almost all white, and having to make up an imaginary group of people to incorporate into their analysis) or is there a more recent one you’re able to find?

    • February 18, 2020 at 5:25 pm
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      Hey Agent,
      USA Women’s Gymnastics says what?

      • February 18, 2020 at 6:19 pm
        Craig Cornell says:
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        It says that men attracted to women abuse girls. And men attracted to men abuse boys.

        Here ends the science lesson.

        • February 19, 2020 at 11:18 am
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          It says sick SOB’s can be heterosexual, too. And women have abused little ones, too. Perhaps you should look into Sylvia Likens and how she was treated by her caregiver. Her sister, too. Yep, people of all types, hetero and otherwise. It must be stuffy living in such closed doors. A worldview that explains a lot.

          Now we are done with science.

          • February 19, 2020 at 11:53 am
            Craig Winston Cornell says:
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            What are you even arguing about?

            If you put a bunch of heterosexual men around little girls, the odds of girls being molested goes up.

            If you put a bunch of homosexual men around little boys, the odds of boys getting molested goes up.

            Seriously. What is wrong with you? What point are you making? But OF COURSE women can be abusers too. So what?

          • February 19, 2020 at 1:53 pm
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            I see your point, the common denominator is testosterone. But, of course not in every case. Just the cases you and my other conservative friends like to focus upon.

          • February 19, 2020 at 6:40 pm
            Craig Cornell says:
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            What pedophile stories do liberals like to focus on? Well, judging by CNN, the NY Times, WaPo, etc., I would say they are Epstein, the Catholic Church, Boy Scouts, etc.

            Pretty much the same stories that conservatives focus on. \

            So again, what the hell are you talking about? Why is this partisan? Is it because you can’t admit that some gay people are pedophiles, just like some women, some heterosexual men, etc.?

      • February 24, 2020 at 5:30 pm
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        Scoutmasters who like to abuse young boys should get a very long prison sentence just like Priests who abuse young alter boys.

    • February 21, 2020 at 1:13 pm
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      Your comment is repugnant and shows blatant ignorance.

  • February 20, 2020 at 8:48 pm
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    bob, I think you made an error. The study says:
    the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1. This suggests that the resulting proportion of true pedophiles among persons with a homosexual erotic development is greater than that in persons who develop heterosexually. This, of course, would not indicate that androphilic (gay) males have a greater propensity to offend against children.

    • February 21, 2020 at 9:46 am
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      Another issue with bob’s study is that it only reviews convicted predators. The issue with this is that it is often time under-reported for heterosexuals as it is typically family, or they do the whole victim shaming if the age is close enough, or they just gaslight them about the whole situation. I mean look at what happened with the USA gymnastics. It went on for years, how many other places is this happening? What about the church?

      There are a lot of things overlooked and just blatantly passed over because it would be harder to quantify and figure out the data, because this is a complex study that doesn’t really look at the whole picture.

      Overall, a poor look at the subject at hand.

      • February 21, 2020 at 10:31 am
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        the other issue with bob’s “study” is that it is simply an abstract of a study. There’s no link that takes us to the actual study, its methodology, the sample size, etc. Can anyone find a link to the full study that this abstract came from?

        • February 21, 2020 at 11:13 am
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          So the study actually comes from 1992. Here is a link to research gate that has some of the original figures. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/21598484_The_proportions_of_heterosexual_and_homosexual_pedophiles_among_sex_offenders_against_children_An_exploratory_study

          I believe it even less as it was from 1992 and used data from 1991. This is far to old to be applicable today. Besides that actual journal it was published in does not have the whole study.

          • February 21, 2020 at 11:29 am
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            Thank you! Aside from the study being conducted nearly 30 years ago, there does seem to be some significant gaps in their methodology.

            You pointed out it only looked at convicted predators. Some other interesting things I found were:

            They omitted “those who had offended against children of both sexes”

            “Almost all of the individuals were white” (homogeneous study may not be reflective of the entire population)

            “It was necessary to add an imaginary group…of 273 nonincest offenders against female children.”

            There’s a lot more to unpack here, but thanks to flawedlogic, I see the abstract of the study glossies over some serious limitations in the study and its methodology.

  • February 21, 2020 at 9:30 am
    rob says:
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    My statement was not to compare how many pedophiles identify as homosexuals than heterosexuals, but to point out that homosexuality is not the same as pedophilia. Agent said, “They had a serious problem with LGBTQueer scoutmasters.” This blanket statement implies that the molestation / abuse happened once the Boy Scouts started allowing openly gay scout masters to serve. However, a quick web search shows that this wasn’t allowed until 2015. By Agent’s logic, there should have been no incidents of sexual abuse prior to 2015. Unfortunately, this is simply not the case and there were multiple incidents spanning back years. Falsehoods like Agent’s should be called what they are: Ignorant. It has nothing to do with “left vs right.”

    • February 21, 2020 at 11:46 am
      Craig Winston Cornell says:
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      If you knew ANYTHING about the Boy Scouts, what Agent said is true. Your attempts to pretend that gay men are not the predominant abusers of boys is just PC rubbish that goes against science. (In the same way that herterosexual men abused the girls in gymnastics.)

      The Catholic church saw an uptick in abuse – primarily of boys – when the Church began to lose new priest candidates and began looking the other way when men who began the path to priesthood were suspected of being gay. That is called history.

      And NO, this does NOT mean that gay men are all abusers, or that even a large percentage are. The overwhelming majority are not, it goes without saying. Just like with heterosexuals.

      But to deny that sexual attraction is a key factor in who the abuser chooses as a victim is the same as ignoring sexual attraction for gay people or heterosexual people altogether.

      • February 21, 2020 at 12:14 pm
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        Craig – so what would it take for you to believe me that I apologized on that Uber article if not for me constantly saying I did and someone else backing me up?

        • February 21, 2020 at 12:33 pm
          Craig Cornell says:
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          No. If I didn’t see it, you didn’t apologize. See how life works? Give it another shot if you are so truly contrite and not just lying again.

          • February 21, 2020 at 12:51 pm
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            Why don’t you start the trend and apologize for the pedo comment and then maybe Rosen would reciprocate once again as he has apologized before. Be the change you want to see.

          • February 21, 2020 at 12:58 pm
            Craig Cornell says:
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            Um, yeah, okay. I did apologize. Yeah, that’s the ticket. Rosenblatt just never saw it. Right. That’s the ticket.

          • February 21, 2020 at 1:08 pm
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            Give it another shot if you are so truly contrite and not just lying again.

      • February 21, 2020 at 12:29 pm
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        Reposted (partly) from above.

        Are you saying that only homosexuals are prone to be pedophiles or that heterosexuals will not abuse people in the boy scouts? Both statements are wrong and ignorant of many facts. While on the simplistic level your statement makes sense, but there are many factors not accounted for including former abuse and the cycle of re-abusing children. It happens a lot, and there is also a thing called bisexuality as well which some people forget to mention. Sometimes it isn’t about the gender, but rather the innocence stolen from the abuser. Weird concept, but one that is important when discussing this topic you are turning a blind eye to, but maybe you don’t realize this is a real thing. You can’t simplify it down to the level you are attempting.

        • February 21, 2020 at 12:35 pm
          Craig Cornell says:
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          I didn’t say any such thing. What is wrong with you? That’s not even close to what I said.

          And you can’t confuse the truth, the scientific truth, with your babbling nonsense. That’s not ad hominem. Your comment truly makes no sense. A confused mishmash lacking all clarity of thought.

          • February 21, 2020 at 12:48 pm
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            You are simplifying sexuality to much, and it gets more complicated with these cases. Because you cannot grasp the concept I am talking about, doesn’t mean I am wrong, just more about how you are refusing to look into this more.

            You did not say that homosexuals are the only people who could be pedophiles, but I again reposted a reply, but the second statement stands that homosexuals are not the only people who will abuse people in the boy scouts. You are trying to reduce a complex subject too much and your statement is not true.

          • February 21, 2020 at 12:57 pm
            Craig Cornell says:
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            Following you argument, gay men may have been involved in the abuse of girls with USA gymnastics too right along with heterosexual men. Right? And your evidence for same is what you pulled out of thin air, right?

  • February 24, 2020 at 10:37 am
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    How sad that an institution that has served our country so well for so long would be brought down by the few who used decades of trust earned by hundreds of dedicated scout masters (volunteers, all) to put themselves in a position to abuse these young boys.

  • February 24, 2020 at 2:12 pm
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    Every time I think I can’t get more shocked by some of the comments on here….I’m shocked and sickened even worse than before!
    I seriously cannot believe there are people on here who legitimately believe that being homosexual equals being a pedophile!
    Sexuality and gender are not black and white. To think that is beyond ignorant.
    And on top of that, being homosexual does not mean you’re a pedophile! #okboomer
    I cannot wait for the day these ignorant people stop controlling our country!

    • February 24, 2020 at 7:49 pm
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      Maybe you want to learn to read. I NEVER said being a homosexual equated to being a pedophile. Other comments on here accurately linked the problem with Boy Scouts to the time when the LEFT many years ago forced Boy Scouts to accept openly gay scout masters. If you track the accusations, they increased dramatically after that happened.

      The link? You figure it out. No, not every homosexual is a pedophile. But pedophiles look for opportunity. Where do they look? Gymnastics programs for girls (if you are a heterosexual pedophile). Boy scouts for access to boys (if you are a homosexual pedophile).

      Are you saying no homosexuals are pedophiles? Seriously?

      • February 25, 2020 at 9:26 am
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        Hey bud, did you see this statement I am reposting fro mabove?

        You did not say that homosexuals are the only people who could be pedophiles, but I again reposted a reply, but the second statement stands that homosexuals are not the only people who will abuse people in the boy scouts. You are trying to reduce a complex subject too much and your statement is not true.

        Stop being so simplistic you are not well versed with the area we are discussing. Stop it already kid this is tiring.

      • February 25, 2020 at 9:27 am
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        Getting a little defensive, are you? Could it be someone took exception to a post that you didn’t write? Maybe, juuuust maybe, LA was talking about someone else …. like possibly Jim who said “Not all gay people are pedophiles, but actual heterosexual people are not pedophiles”?

      • February 25, 2020 at 2:07 pm
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        Although I am sickened and appalled by a minimum of 90% of the things you write on here Craig, I was not referencing you directly. Nor was I referring to your disgusting comments on this thread.
        Obviously you know nothing of sexuality. There are millions of shades of grey. And even that is simplifying orientation.
        Being attracted to the same sex does NOT equal being attracted to children.
        Honestly, I think all child molesters should just get a bullet. There is no such thing as ‘fixing’ them. But I do not believe that it has to do with sexual orientation. It has to do with a mental disorder. There is something wrong in their head to be attracted to juveniles. And I’m tired of them re-entering society only to reoffend and ruin someone else’s life. Maybe if we started beheading them and hanging them from buildings, people would keep their disgusting impulses to molest children in check.

  • February 24, 2020 at 3:50 pm
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    How about a review of material from the 1970’s to 2018 from a long-time actual psychologist instead of a single, 28-year-old paper?
    https://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

    • February 24, 2020 at 4:10 pm
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      About your link….

      “One problem is that none of the studies in this area have obtained data from a probability sample, that is, a sample that can be assumed to be representative of the population of all child molesters. Rather, most research has been conducted only with convicted perpetrators or with pedophiles who sought professional help. ”

      This directly speaks to one of the issues flawedlogic identified with bob’s link “Another issue with bob’s study is that it only reviews convicted predators”

      I found this citation from the NRC interesting “The distinction between homosexual and heterosexual child molesters relies on the premise that male molesters of male victims are homosexual in orientation. Most molesters of boys do not report sexual interest in adult men…”

      Interesting follow-up (although I don’t see where the data driving this comment comes from) “The distinction between a victim’s gender and a perpetrator’s sexual orientation is important because many child molesters don’t really have an adult sexual orientation. They have never developed the capacity for mature sexual relationships with other adults, either men or women. Instead, their sexual attractions focus on children – boys, girls, or children of both sexes.”

      I stopped reading at the “The Mainstream View” section because there is still a lot more to unpack, but the link so far seems to do a decent job of highlighting some of the issues with bob’s study that FL and I pointed out.

      Also, the odds that bob will actually respond to your link and the details of it in relation to what he posted and the issues FL and I pointed out are slim to none.

      Good find LA!

      • February 24, 2020 at 5:12 pm
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        Thank you for posting this link Angela, and it was one of the points rosen brought up in the paper I was attempting to convey earlier when I said: “While on the simplistic level your statement makes sense, but there are many factors not accounted for including former abuse and the cycle of re-abusing children. It happens a lot, and there is also a thing called bisexuality as well which some people forget to mention. Sometimes it isn’t about the gender, but rather the innocence stolen from the abuser. Weird concept, but one that is important when discussing this topic you are turning a blind eye to, but maybe you don’t realize this is a real thing. You can’t simplify it down to the level you are attempting”.

        The paper did a better job explaining what I was attempting to convey. I’ll have to read it in its entirety

        • February 25, 2020 at 11:22 am
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          LOL at someone downvoting this comment



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