Cruel Paradox: Beating Virus Means U.S. Recession

By Paul Wiseman | March 20, 2020

  • March 20, 2020 at 2:26 pm
    Captain Planet says:
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    This Trump Virus is going to leave a mark. He knew darn well there was potential for a pandemic. He fired the teams who made up the infrastructure President Obama had in place for this very scenario. He also knew of the failed tests from the Crimson Contagion Functional Exercise just performed last year. He denied it would ever go beyond 15 people, stating it would miraculously disappear to 0 by April. He has failed all of us and altered our way of life, losing any economic momentum he had adopted from the previous administration and furthered. A total and complete failure. I am happy to see he is taking it seriously now, I just hope it isn’t too late.

    • March 20, 2020 at 2:52 pm
      Craig Winston Cornell says:
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      Clown comment #734.

      Trump’s approval numbers on handling COVID went from 43% to 56% in one week. The Left is in panic mode.
      CHINA created this mess and intelligent, fair-minded Americans know it.

      But you keep on ranting. It will make you feel good until November 3rd.

      • March 20, 2020 at 3:05 pm
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        Any of the actions I noted above inaccurate? I already said, multiple times, Tramp gets re-elected. I don’t know what they are doing on “The Left”, but here as an Independent, I am not going to let the truth die. Tramp mishandled the preparation for this, plain and simple. He also denied it would ever get this bad. It’s his fault what is going on in the nation right now. We had ample time and resources to be better prepared. The US will undoubtedly be the new epicenter for this virus because of his incompetence.

        Have a good weekend, Craig and stay healthy!

        • March 21, 2020 at 1:57 pm
          Craig Winston Cornell says:
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          Bill Gates warned in 2014 that we should prepare for a global pandemic in a famous TED talk.

          What did Obama do to prepare? Nothing.

          China HID the results in December from the rest of the world. This is March. And you blame Trump. Hilarious.

          • March 21, 2020 at 9:16 pm
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            Lol says the guy who voted for the president who tried to defund the CDC with the same information available. But you Republican socialists love a double standard don’t you?

          • March 23, 2020 at 9:38 am
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            Obama built a pandemic infrastructure, the same one Tramp dismantled 2 years ago. That’s hardly “nothing”. Tramp knew of this pandemic back in December. His administration also failed the Crimson Contagion exercise, so that should have been enough to address preparation. Face it, he failed us and now we have people freaking out over paper products.

          • March 23, 2020 at 12:06 pm
            Craig Winston Cornell says:
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            Fake news: Trump did not dismantle the “pandemic response team”.
            You might want to turn the channel now and again. The members of the team came on television to denounce that lie.

            And besides: What did that team accomplish under Obama? Zip.

          • March 23, 2020 at 12:30 pm
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            Here you go, Craig:

            https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fire-pandemic-team/

          • March 23, 2020 at 1:21 pm
            Craig Winston Cornell says:
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            SNOPES! HA HA HA HA. They “fact checked” a conservative satire site! (Satire, you may know, is false by design.) Snopes is a joke for intelligent people, a partisan hack site.

            Here is the truth, from left-leaning Politifact. They weren’t fired. They left on their own. (but you keep saying it. It is what you do.)

            https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/feb/28/michael-bloomberg/did-donald-trump-fire-pandemic-officials-defund-cd/

            By the way, I am still waiting for Rosenblatt and all you lefties who mocked me to cite evidence that we knew “months ago” that you could have COVID without symptoms. Truly hilarious, you clowns. COVID was only first on the radar in January, after being hidden by China in December.

            “Months ago”. Hilarious, you guys. No pride in honesty.

          • March 23, 2020 at 2:03 pm
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            I provided links, but the thread was shut down. I’d do it again, but you just said “COVID was only first on the radar in January.”

            One month ago was February.

            MonthS ago would have been January then, because January was more than one month ago.

            Hence you agree with me.

            We knew this MONTHS ago, back in January.

            No need for articles to support my argument when you just did so yourself.

          • March 23, 2020 at 2:12 pm
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            But you know what, Craig. I made a statement. You asked for links (even though you just posted you agree with me), so here are just two links from January that we knew COVID-19 could be transmitted even if someone is asymptomatic:

            http s://www.sciencenews.org/article/new-coronavirus-outbreak-your-most-pressing-questions-answered (from 1/29/20)

            http s://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001316 (from 1/29/20)

          • March 23, 2020 at 2:13 pm
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            Attempting to dismiss snopes as a valid resource is another goalpost shift attempt. You conservative cronies seem to be the only ones who have a problem with snopes, but then your side is the one who coined the term “alternative facts”.

            Rosenblatt just proved you wrong, but you won’t admit to being wrong, just like you won’t admit you lied to Andrew, just like you won’t admit you’re a hypocrite who insults people then whines when he’s insulted, just like you won’t admit you lied about air conditioners, mass murderers, marijuana or any of the many subjects you’ve openly lied and been caught on. You are not a credible source of information.

          • March 23, 2020 at 2:29 pm
            Craig Winston Cornell says:
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            You are dishonest, a disembler. “I coulnd’t post my links.” HA HA HA HA!

            The Wall Street Journal – today – has a front page report on how recently we found out that people with COVID might have no symptoms. It wasn’t “months” ago.

            “2 months is months!” You are making a fool of yourself. It wasn’t two months ago and you know it.

          • March 23, 2020 at 2:34 pm
            Craig Winston Cornell says:
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            January 29th! “Months” ago.

            And your link simply quotes Fauci as speculating that “there almost certainly” are people with COVID without symptoms.

            “Almost” certainly. Meaning maybe not.

            “show me ONE Uber driver . . .”
            “He was fired for a medical condition . . .”

            It just gets funnier.

          • March 23, 2020 at 2:39 pm
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            Craig – you asked me to support my argument with links and I just did.

            You are now claiming the WSJ says something and I cannot find it, so I am asking you to support your argument with a link.

            This is not sealioning – this is how debate works.

            Please provide a link from the WSJ saying we didn’t know COVID-19 could be transmitted from an asymptomatic person which refutes my links from Science News & New England Journal of Medicine from back in January.

          • March 23, 2020 at 2:46 pm
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            …and you claim my link doesn’t say what I’m arguing, yet the first link says

            “In the wake of reports that the virus can spread asymptomatically…”

            so clearly it DOES say what I claim it does. Nice try cherry-picking the Fauci quote and ignoring the rest of the article.

          • March 23, 2020 at 2:47 pm
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            MONTHS AGO! January 29th to March 19: NOT months. FYI.

          • March 23, 2020 at 3:04 pm
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            I can’t believe we’re debating this…

            month: a period of four weeks or 30-31 days
            months: any period over four weeks or 30-31 days

            As of today, one month ago was 2/23. Anything further back in time is no longer one month ago, so we use the plural form of the noun.

            ANYWHOO…..”The Wall Street Journal – today – has a front page report on how recently we found out that people with COVID might have no symptoms” please link this article in its entirety like I sourced my argument when you asked me to.

          • March 23, 2020 at 5:03 pm
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            The Rosenblatt Dictionary:

            Getting fired for Not reporting Pot consumption = Getting Fired for having a medical condition.

            32 days = months.

            Stop it, Rosenblatt! You are killing me. Too funny.

          • March 23, 2020 at 5:16 pm
            Craig Winston Cornell says:
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            Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, last Friday March 19th:

            “Certainly there is some degree of asymptomatic transmissible. It’s still not clear exactly what that is . . .”

            But Doctor, Rosenblatt said you knew all that MONTHS AGO!

            (I am having too much fun.)

          • March 23, 2020 at 5:28 pm
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            FALSE CITATION ALERT
            usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/02/17/new-coronavirus-what-dont-we-know-dr-anthony-fauci-q-a-opinion/4790996002/

            In case anyone was wondering why Craig never just links to the resources he’s quoting, that’s because he FALSELY quotes them to try and make them sound different.

            “The extent to which that is impacting the coronavirus epidemic, we don’t know. But we’re having early case reports which are now making it pretty clear that some degree of asymptomatic transmission occurs.”

            Craig changed that to a nonsense statement where he added the word CERTAINLY. The word CERTAINLY was expressly left out of the quote. We work in insurance, we know what these words mean. Would you mix up CERTAINLY and SOME DEGREE on an email describing an insured’s policy? You’d have an E&O complaint on your hands. Stop lying, Craig. You just got caught lying, once again.

          • March 23, 2020 at 6:04 pm
            Craig Winston Cornell says:
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            The two statements are different. And they are NOT mutually exclusive. (Reading for comprehension: Fauci makes clear in both statements we don’t know a lot about this virus, my original point.)

          • March 23, 2020 at 6:44 pm
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            LOL hey Craig: If you don’t know that there’s a big difference between what he actually said and what you quoted, you’re either playing dumb or you’re really bad at your job. You work in insurance, you know words like “Always” and “never” matter. You got caught misquoting something to make it sound like it emphasized your point more than it did. That’s called a LIE. You are trying to dance around it, with another insult to my intelligence because you just got caught lying ONCE AGAIN and you have no excuse. Once again, a FACT: You are a liar.

          • March 24, 2020 at 9:42 am
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            Ditto the “Snopes; HAHAHAHA” comment by CC.

          • March 24, 2020 at 10:29 am
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            Polar, with how many times Snopes has called you a liar, I would hate Snopes too. Maybe try, you know, telling the truth.

          • March 24, 2020 at 10:41 am
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            Snopes rhymes with…

          • March 24, 2020 at 10:59 am
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            Craig – let’s reset for a second.

            I claimed Doctors knew more than a month ago (aka months) that COVID-19 could be transmitted in a patient who showed no symptoms. You asked me to source my argument.

            I provided this link from January — http s://www.sciencenews.org/article/new-coronavirus-outbreak-your-most-pressing-questions-answered — which stated “In the wake of reports that the virus can spread asymptomatically…”

            So can you admit I was right that there were reports nearly 2 months ago that we knew COVID-19 could spread asymptomatically?

            Can you admit I was right and then we can move on from this?

            I’d hate for you to claim in another article down the road that I failed to prove my argument with links or refused to do so when I invariably ask you to do the same.

          • March 24, 2020 at 1:15 pm
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            HA HA HA HA. Keep digging, Rosenblatt.

            Now you change what you said to “more than a month ago”.

            That is NOT what you said. You said MONTHS AGO and all your deep thinking buddies piled on.

            I’ll just add another entry to the Rosenblatt Dictionary: Month = Months.

            And of course, the point I made is valid. We ARE learning a lot about Coronavirus that we didn’t know recently. Just ask Fauci last Friday. (A month ago.)

          • March 24, 2020 at 2:09 pm
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            I can’t believe we’re STILL debating this…

            month: a period of four weeks or 30-31 days
            months: any period over four weeks or 30-31 days

            As of today, one month ago was 2/23. Anything further back in time (like the end of Jan when my source article was written) is no longer one month ago, so we use the plural form of the noun.

    • March 21, 2020 at 9:44 pm
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      Trump will ‘leave a mark’ on US Socialist Dem’s seats in political office, and on CNN’s & MSNBC’s already poor reputations.

      Are you concerned with what China did by hiding information that would have been used by ALL world leaders, including Italy, Iran, etc. to promptly respond to the crisis?

      Or, are you concerned with what world leaders; e.g. USA, France, Italy, said to their citizens when they had incomplete or incorrect information due to lies by the Chinese government?

      One thing I need not ask is whether you are more concerned with politics; i.e. winning an election, than the well-being of people.

    • March 25, 2020 at 2:50 pm
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      “He fired the teams who made up the infrastructure President Obama had in place for this very scenario.”

      Incorrect, WAPO has an opinion piece on the matter, he consolidated teams.

      https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjctIbg37PoAhXKHzQIHWgoA8MQFjAAegQIBhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fopinions%2F2020%2F03%2F16%2Fno-white-house-didnt-dissolve-its-pandemic-response-office%2F&usg=AOvVaw3XdUz48e-j5RRWlr7xQACR

      He did not further Obama’s momentum, that was a slow recovery.

      As for saying that it would go away potentially, he was quoting other people, and even democrats talked about it. He quotes the media, and then the media condemns him.

      Tim pool says it well in this video, and he’s a left leaning voter, liberal, Andrew Yang supporter.

      You guys live in your own world here, and think you’re much more educated and informed than you are. You literally have fallen for every lie the left has pedaled. I already used fact check on you once, and Jon complained then saying the right lies and Fox News lies, which isn’t related to whether or not you are presently correct, which you aren’t.

      ht tps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKq8UYYQTYA&t=449s

      He goes over specific lies and how and contradictions. There are reasons Trump is coming out on top in this. The left is going full on crazy on this, trying to pedal the most lies they can.

      And democrats basically pulled a political move with the business requirement too that Trump’s businesses can’t get funds.

      So…What about Trump’s employees? Worth is the lamb eh? They are sacrifices we must engage in, eh? The democrats solely pulled that move so Trump might say no, that’s not ok, and then they call him corrupt and ride off the bad press, or, if he does nothing, he goes BK. That is dirty politics. It’s insane what you disgusting people are engaging in, whatever the means eh?

      And this is precisely because you labeled your opponents as Nazis that it keeps happening. Be an adult! If you want to debate, you don’t have to call the other side racist murderers to do so, and that has literally been all the last few years has been, racist Russian spy murderer crud.

      Grow up.

      • March 25, 2020 at 3:13 pm
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        Opinion pieces are not a source of factual information. You should know, since you and your ilk have been called out for posting opinion pieces as fact in the past. I don’t care to read the rest, you’re posting nonsense from youtube and I’m already bored. Once again joining a conversation way too late because Craig’s already been disgraced, what a surprise LOL

        • March 25, 2020 at 3:55 pm
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          Opinion pieces which talk about facts, and from people who were in the division and know about the restructure are relevant.

          He did not get rid of the task force. He combined teams to share roles.

          It would be like combining class rooms to share man power, but keeping the teachers.

          I rarely use opinion pieces at all, this one I only used because the guy has relevant information, and YOU use opinion pieces. The data itself you did not question.

          This is ironic, because you just accused Craig of doing this, discrediting the source rather than the data and content, and yet here we are.

        • March 25, 2020 at 4:02 pm
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          Did you watch the video or not? This guy supports Yang, he clearly shows when the media has contradicted itself regarding Trump, and also, you ignore clear over step from the democrats on this.

          It is not all one or the other side. You and Planet never say what republicans do right, blame them for things that are clearly not their fault, and I don’t have time for it.

          You act like a 5 year old with extreme narcissism. You constantly when proven wrong switch to instead absurd insult only tactics calling people liars, instead of directing data. I’m tired of you.

        • March 25, 2020 at 4:28 pm
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          Really, it is very clear what is going on, so much so, this is the first time during crises news that the democrats are doing very poorly and Trump is sky rocketing. All the other times he actually went down during news cycles of say Mueller, do you think maybe the American people figured it out?

          ht tps://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/public_approval_of_president_trumps_handling_of_the_coronavirus-7088.html

          https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

          Note the carona approval rating, 2 weeks ago all the polls had him negative 10. Now, the last week’s worth of pull have him ahead by up to 22. The new polls are a massive shift, and if they keep up, your side’s blatant nonsense may finally do them in.

          Trump’s approval rating is skyrocketing too, not just the carona approval rating. -3.7.

          Why do you think that is?

          The guy I showed you supports Yang, he condemns Trump a lot, but recently, he is mad at democrats, and people call him Milk toast because he never gets mad. He completely blew up in one of his streams, saying how obviously corrupt this was, and evil.

          You’re not fooling moderates, and no moderate is buying into this right now.

          You can double down, but wait and see what happens. All the other times I told other people here it was false to say Trump would win in a land slide or republicans would have a come back, you surely saw me say it.

          Now I’m telling you, it will be a massacre, the likes of which we have not seen in the last few decades if your side keeps this up, they will lose the house, lose the senate even more, and, Trump will win. A 30 point shift in the carona approval just happened in about 2 weeks, and then toward the end of that his overall approval shot up like 6 in a week in the aggregate on real clear politics. What do you think is going on Jon? Everyone else is getting dumber?

          Your side over played their hand, and everyone is getting sick and tired of it! Get to work! I don’t even mean you, I mean them! Policies! Stop trying to indict a sitting president, stop calling him hitler, stop the probes, GET TO WORK. There is common ground, why did she wait until the coronavirus to propose what I support, which is child tax credits up to $3,000, $3,600 under 6, so in other words, more for families who need day care, this may as well be a $5k day care tax credit for my kids, which is acceptable and good.

          See what I did there? Yes, that needs to be done, so why the flap jack poppy cock nonsense non stop for almost 4 years? Why the games? Sit at the table with your opponent, stop calling them names, AND GET TO WORK. Your side is proving they can’t offer ANYTHING to the American public other than “I hate Trump, Me no likey Trump, Me no likey Orange man”. GET TO WORK. GET TO DEBATE. BE PRODUCTIVE. BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE.

          Stop the whining man! Good God!

        • March 25, 2020 at 4:36 pm
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          Like really, everyone saw your 1400 page “carona” bill, that they held up because they wanted to stuff it with policy provisions since they thought they could force concessions.

          Gender pay gap laws, board quotas, green energy aspects, business regulations, voting regulations, Do you really think people don’t know the democrats were trying to use the crises to get policy wins?

          And then looking at the lie, after lie, after lie, after saying Trump is saying the wrong things, which look at my youtube link, Trump repeated what the media said, and then the media kept shifting. You guys look insane right now, not Trump. When Trump says maybe it will be gone by summer due to temps, and the media already said that, and then the media says how confused he looks and stupid, it gets clear why they are saying it, never let a good crises to go waste. Or the guy who drank fish tank cleaner, nothing to do with Trump, Cuomo made similar statements to Trump on it, he’s exempt though, the news initially said yes! Potential cure! Fast track it! Then no! Why are you fast tracking dangerous things!?? NO ONE IS FALLING FOR IT. The approval on coronavirus just shot the other way. You explain to me why.

          • March 25, 2020 at 4:38 pm
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            American people “we need a carona bill! We are losing jobs, and the economy may tank without stimulus!”

            Democrats, “now hold on, we can work on that, but let us try to pass our policy laundry list which will slow down your stimulus bill”

            American people: But we need it NOW!.

            Democrats “shut up, we will tell you what you need”.

    • March 21, 2020 at 10:00 pm
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      LOL at the suggestion that those two have any credibility!

      • March 22, 2020 at 6:03 pm
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        What about the Fox News people in the clips you didn’t watch?

        • March 23, 2020 at 8:54 pm
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          What about something I didn’t watch? I don’t know…because I didn’t watch it/them.

          • March 24, 2020 at 12:02 am
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            Taking the “I can’t be wrong if I refuse to watch the proof” approach. At least you’re consistent.

          • March 25, 2020 at 2:51 pm
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            He can’t be wrong, because he didn’t quote them, and, he’s not talking about them.

      • March 23, 2020 at 8:52 am
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        I don’t think you understand how twitter works…

        • March 23, 2020 at 8:53 pm
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          I don’t care what you think. I don’t care about Twitter. It is a cesspool.

          • March 24, 2020 at 12:02 am
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            You care so little what he thinks you had to respond to his post LOL

  • March 21, 2020 at 10:57 pm
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    First Amendment arguments aside, and it is not that I favor censorship, but shouldn’t there be some responsibility on the part of social media platforms to at least try to restrict posting access from sources repeatedly shown to be untruthful? Why does Twitter continue to allow Trump to use their platform to post his lies? Didn’t Facebook and Twitter previously say they would bar those abusing their blog sites.

  • March 23, 2020 at 9:26 am
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    To your extremists on the left – Captain Planet & Jon
    And you on the right – Craig, Polarbear, Agent

    You who are so busy with partisan bickering, blame-gaming, petty arguments, Shakespeare said it best –
    “A plague o’ both your houses!”

    • March 23, 2020 at 10:33 am
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      I am actually and Independent who is critical of this president and the incompetence I see on a regular basis. I also called out Obama when he made mistakes, too. I’ll call any President out. Also, I’d be careful with that ax, Eugene. Snoop Dogg said it best, “People who talk $h!t get dealt with real quick.”

      • March 23, 2020 at 12:07 pm
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        What “mistakes” did Obama make? Curious, coming from an “independent”.

        • March 23, 2020 at 4:06 pm
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          How is latching onto the Obama part of his paragraph on-topic? You’re completely ignoring what he actually said because you want to shift the conversation, as usual. You’ve been proven wrong a few paragraphs above, better nitpick Captain’s post about Obama instead to draw attention away from your failures, right? You are as always, nothing but a troll, Craig.

    • March 23, 2020 at 12:07 pm
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      Ah, to claim everyone else is an “extremist”. Such self-regard.

  • March 23, 2020 at 4:52 pm
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    Fun Facts:

    On 1-14-20, the World Health Organization reported that there was no evidence of human to human transmission of the Coronavirus in China. (Thanks for the news, China!)

    On 1-31-20, VOX posted 9 questions and answers about coronoavirus on their website. They “advised against” travelling to China at the time. To their own question, would this turn into a pandemnic, they answered, “NO”.

    Also on 1-31-20, Nancy Pelosi said the Democrats would bring a bill to the floor to ban the ability of the President to limit travel from certain countries.

    On 2-9-20, New York City’s Chinatown was packed with people celebrating Chinese New Year’s, in defiance of the Coronavirus scare. Apparently, no one in the crowd had heard from China that it was a big deal. Some chanted, “be strong, Wuhan”.

    Trump’s fault.

    • March 23, 2020 at 9:22 pm
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      Fun fact: this seems like another attempt to divert from a few posts above where you were caught using a false citation to try and win an argument. This is a common troll tactic, and then the refusal to actually acknowledge that you lied? Yeah, I don’t know why they let you troll here.

      • March 24, 2020 at 10:58 am
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        Tell us what is incorrect about Craig’s timeline. We don’t need your false claims about lying, etc.

        Also, tell us what took up nearly all of Congress’ time over the first few months of 2020?

        • March 24, 2020 at 11:25 am
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          How is my claim false? He literally misquoted Fauci to try and reiterate his point. The post is still there for everyone to see, or are you going to deny that you can read now because it’s inconvenient? If someone is literally caught lying on this same page of comments once, it’s safe to assume they will lie again, the impetus is on him to prove he’s not a dirty liar. Too bad reality disagrees.

      • March 26, 2020 at 2:51 pm
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        Jon, why don’t you refute each quoted fact instead of making your normal broad comments about trolls, tactics. Are the dated statements incorrect? No, but you can’t answer each one individually so you revert to your insulting ways. Man up.

    • March 24, 2020 at 10:47 am
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      Craig; you should post a timeline of what Dems in Congress were doing during the first two months of this year. Hint: it had nothing whatsoever to do with COVID-19.

      I saw the timeline of COVID-19 information concealment in China. It resulted in the loss of life of several doctors who spoke out. That timeline is also edifying.

      • March 24, 2020 at 11:27 am
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        forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2020/03/21/we-didnt-know-about-it-trump-denies-ignoring-coronavirus-pandemic-warnings/#16fcbc1bdd14

        Yeah let’s talk timelines. Remember your president insisting just a couple of weeks ago that this was all nonsense, and the fox news talking heads claiming this was a democratic hoax? Turns out those idiots you follow were WRONG WRONG WRONG LOL. You can try to whine about Dems and timelines all you want, this is the sound of your empire crashing before November LOL

  • March 24, 2020 at 11:12 am
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    Now the Tramp is comparing car accidents to communicable pandemic disease. And, he is ready to place us all back in harm’s way near the height of the pandemic. The man is a complete menace! I refuse to put myself in danger to save his precious stock market. Hey Prez, can you hear this? Would you like me to turn it up?

    • March 24, 2020 at 1:11 pm
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      No. He can’t hear you. Only we can and we are bored with you. Even Cuomo is talking about economic consequences and the need to balance our tactics. (But let’s see you attack Cuomo, Mr. Independent.)

      In a recession/depression, many lives are lost to suicide/drugs/crime/violence. And the people hurt the worst are lower income people. Plus, jobs give people meaning, a reason to get up in the morning to support your family. It isn’t just about the money.

      Over the weekend, even the LA Times and NY Times had opinion pieces wondering if there wasn’t a less economically destructive way to save nearly as many lives as this forced-Depression. In a few weeks, everyone will be wondering the same.

      And Planet will go on ranting about Trump.

      • March 24, 2020 at 1:52 pm
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        LOL so bored you have to respond, right? And the NY Times and LA Times had opinion pieces. That is not factual of anything. You’ve posted opinion pieces that straight up lied about facts. An opinion piece doesn’t provide evidence to your claims. You’re trying to goalpost shift with your point about recessions/depressions. You know who the first to kill themselves are in a depression, right? You know what causes a depression, right? Maybe you should do some research since you seem painfully unaware of some major points of what a Depression is like.

        What we’re headed to is unlike anything we’ve dealt with, and you’re a fool providing fool’s gold.

      • March 24, 2020 at 2:27 pm
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        You’re right, Cuomo did mention the economic strife but said the health issue is far greater. He has been handling this pandemic like a president. Tramp has been handling it like a turd. Tramp wants us all back to normal by Easter. Health officials are warning against it but Tramp won’t listen because he’s a f’n idiot. He’s literally parading us into the new epicenter. I’m running opposite of the parade and I’m taking my loved ones with me. They will be protected despite what this jack@$$ is suggesting we all do, which is in stark opposition to what the experts are saying we should do. I and those I love aren’t going to die for anyone’s 401k. People get up for jobs? Are you seriously going to peddle that? I think people would rather just be able to get up, what about you? If faced with being able to get up for any damn reason or being dead, which do you think they’d choose?

        • March 24, 2020 at 3:18 pm
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          “he is literally parading us into the new epicenter!”

          Holy Sky is Falling, Chicken Little! Can you be more hysterical? People just want to get up! WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!

          (Laugh of the Day.)

          • March 24, 2020 at 3:32 pm
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            If he’s chicken little, why don’t you just go out to the grocery store and lick some shopping carts, Craig? You’re not doing anything but being insulting because you can’t refute his points, and when you can’t win an argument you start insulting. When you get called on insults, you whine about censorship or goalpost shift. When your goalpost shift fails you try again with phony evidence. You’re boring and transparent bro LOL get some new tricks

          • March 24, 2020 at 3:35 pm
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            Jon,
            I don’t know why I should ever think of him as anything but a guy who once pretended to be black out here. That’s really all you need to know when asking, is he just trolling?

            All will be great, Tramp told us we’ll have 0 cases come April, so this is all going to miraculously disappear. I can’t wait, believe me, I’d love to go grab a pint with some friends, go back out to dinner, take a vacation to Florida. Bring on the miracle. In the meantime, Tramp, shut your big ol’ yapper, you f’n liar!

  • March 26, 2020 at 11:41 am
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    Just several more days until this all miraculously disappears! I know because Dear Leader told me so.

    • March 26, 2020 at 2:37 pm
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      The esteemed Imperial College of London originally projected that over 500,000. people would die in Britain from COVID 19. They recommended 18 months of quarantine. Britain started their “lock down” after it was begun in the USA. (TRUMP! I mean BORIS!)

      New estimates from Imperial College of London are that fewer than 20,000. will die in Britain. And of those, half would have died by the end of this year from existing disease. Annually, about 17,000. die of the flu every year in Britain.

      Studies of the dead in Italy indicate that 99% had a serious underlying condition, and many if not most would have died of those conditions at some point in the next few years.

      Study of the recently quarantined cruise ship indicated that despite an older crowd exposed to each other for over a week, only about 20% became infected. The death rate was 3%, despite the older crowd. (Cuomo’s predictions that half of all Americans would contract the disease are looking silly.)

      Check with Rosenblatt about what he knew months ago, but now it appears that about half of all those who contract COVID have zero symptoms. This means millions of people in the USA have been exposed to infected people already without knowing it. And so the infection rate appears to be a small fraction of what was once thought to be a “highly contagious” disease. Maybe not so much.

      With older people and people with existing disease taking care to keep themselves out of harm’s way, some are wondering if the big spike in infections projected so far will never materialize after all.

      People are starting to think that maybe this isn’t going to be so horrible. (And people like Planet and CNN and the NY Times are just furious that more people aren’t going to die after all.)

      • March 26, 2020 at 4:11 pm
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        FACT: The article you DIDN’T link also provides a counterpoint
        bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says
        “While data released Tuesday point to a slowdown in the increase of cases, with a 12.6% rise, a separate study shows Italy could be underestimating the real number of cases by testing only patients presenting symptoms.”
        ANOTHER DISHONEST POSITION BY CRAIG.

        That’s just one of your points. I’m not going to waste my time going through every single one (which would be easy because as noted, Craig often lies or misrepresents the truth) but this is why Craig refuses to provide links for the claims he makes, because he purposefully withholds information. If you pulled these kinds of stunts with your insureds they would take your license. I imagine you excuse it, but you are a dishonest person and you have no place here with these trolling tactics.

        • March 26, 2020 at 4:17 pm
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          What the hell, I like pointing out Craig’s BS. Another fine quote, regarding his Cruise ship study claims.

          nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00885-w
          “Although insights from the ship about the virus’s spread and severity are valuable, it is difficult to draw lessons from its quarantine for those countries implementing similar lockdown measures, says Ioannidis. “A whole country is not a ship.”

          “People are starting to think… ” people are starting to know that you’re a dishonest person, Craig. You are trying to spread propaganda here, and everyone knows it. You don’t even actually believe these opinions, you just want to start arguments and cause fights on this board, and keep your misinformation prevalent. That’s why you ignore the articles where you’ve clearly been proven wrong, and then come in at the end and try to drop a paragraph of garbage.

      • March 26, 2020 at 4:17 pm
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        Let’s see, take Craig’s word or it or the head of the Surgeon General and Dr. Fauci?

        I tell you what, Craig. Since it’s not big deal, why don’t you head to the nearest ICU and start shaking hands.

        • March 26, 2020 at 7:44 pm
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          Why don’t you tell me why everything I said is true, and how it contradicts the Sky is Falling wailing of the media. And then tell me why the media doesn’t want people to stop freaking out. I won’t wait up. (Hint: TDS. See a doctor and get rid of it.)

          • March 26, 2020 at 8:17 pm
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            You’re sea-lioning again because you’ve already been proven wrong on your other arguments.



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