Let those who are afraid to return to work stay home and hunker down. Others will return, use safe practices and do well. Time to get the economy rolling!
Right, except those who are potentially at high-risk like those with serious asthma or lung issues or the elderly have to go to work, or they will not receive unemployment. So they’re essentially being forced to choose to work and maybe die or stay home and starve. The economy does not have to get rolling, no one benefits but the billionaires.
They will have to put in safe guards in place to protect those who are at higher risk and unable to return to work. Billionaires are not the only ones who will benefit from getting the economy rolling. Those people still waiting for unemployment benefits to start and those waiting in miles-long lines to get free food, for their families, will also benefit. The self-employed will also benefit from getting back to work. Not everyone can work from home and continue to earn a paycheck. So far only 8% of the businesses that applied for PPP have received any money. Therefore, all those other businesses will also benefit from getting the economy going again.
Do you have any evidence of people waiting in “miles-long lines” to get free food for their families?
“The economy” isn’t an end to itself. It’s an abstract concept for production to meet needs. If we all chill at home, our needs are reduced, so it’s fine for everyone if “the economy” tanks.
Well, not everyone, people who extract billions from workers’ production will be pissed. Which is why the Republican party is all about pushing “the economy” at the cost of human life. Maybe get your facts straight and adjust your thinking?
The fact that capitalism is incapable of pausing for a couple months without collapsing on itself due to a tangled web of complex game theory problems is an indictment of capitalism, not the idea of pausing production for a couple of months.
“Do you have any evidence of people waiting in “miles-long lines” to get free food for their families?”
A quick google search of food lines will pull up pages and pages of evidence from many reputable news sources such as the NY Times, Kaiser Health News, Reuters, CNN, MSNBC, NPR, ABC, etc.
April 29, 2020 at 9:46 pm
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“The economy” isn’t an end to itself. It’s an abstract concept for production to meet needs.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKAY!
The term isn’t an abstract concept. It points out productive activity of a society as measured in financial terms and labor concepts.
If you want to believe some fantasy, that is your right.
April 30, 2020 at 11:20 am
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An abstract concept is an idea that people can understand that has no physical form. By definition, “The Economy” is exactly that, So now you don’t know what you’re talking about on yet another subject, Polar.
May 1, 2020 at 7:56 am
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Apparently, down vote counts do not currently support your position. But, ‘pseudo-BOTs’ haven’t yet been activated.
More important, the issue as to whether an economy is an ‘abstract’ concept or not is irrelevant to the present discussion. There are widely accepted monetary and employment data measures of economic activity that point to the well-being of a society. THOSE are relevant issues that citizens are pushing for, in order to improve their current condition.
May 1, 2020 at 8:03 am
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Monetary and labor stats of an economy are definitive, not abstract.
May 1, 2020 at 4:40 pm
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Those are products of the economy, not the economy itself. You literally just said the economy wasn’t an abstract concept, were proven wrong (you are wrong) and now are trying to claim so what if it’s an abstract concept? If it was so what, why did you try and lie about it?
May 1, 2020 at 7:35 am
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High risk individuals WON’T be forced to go to work. Stop in to a grocery store, for example, and ask their manager to explain their policies regarding workers potentially adversely harmed byCOVID-19.
“High risk individuals WON’T be forced to go to work.”
900 Tyson employees in Indiana were diagnosed with Covid-19, so their risk is high, but they ARE being forced to go to work. Seems like your statement is false once again, unless you have some evidence to back up your claim … do you??
Gov Reynolds just told Iowans that if they don’t go back to work, they will lose their unemployment benefits now and future forward. That isn’t forcing people back to work?
High Risk (adj) = involving or exposed to a high level of danger.
But somehow people working in a plant where 900 folks already have the disease are NOT in a high risk category??
May 5, 2020 at 8:54 pm
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Not as high. This nitpicking proves your main objective is trolling.
Seniors have weakened immunity systems. Exposure to the virus is very serious. Workers in a factory are much younger and more immune to viruses.
Risk vs. High Risk. You are making another Straw Man Argument.
May 6, 2020 at 8:52 am
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“Workers in a factory are much younger and more immune to viruses.”
Two unsubstantiated claims in one sentence. Well done!
Work from home and walk the dog around the block near your neighbors? You’re at risk.
Work in a facility where nearly 1,000 people have already contracted Covid-19? You’re now in a high risk group.
EVERYONE is at risk right now.
Those who are at high risk are the elderly like you claim, but also people working at locations where the disease has spread.
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Risk vs. High risk.
Nitpick all you want about my post and use your definitions to criticize me if you like. Everyone who reads your remarks knows what you are doing (here) is disrupting meaningful conversations and attempting to discredit effective comments by Conservatives.
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‘High risk’ isn’t substantiated by 900 people in Tyson being infected.
The seriousness of COVID-19 as regards the effects on the health of those infected determines high risk vs. simple infection.
MOST people who are infected do not suffer any serious illnesses, and in fact, many people were infected and didn’t realize it until they were tested.
Senior citizens are more likely to incur serious consequences of COVID-19, and even die, than relatively younger workers in a factory.
Trolls are more likely to use vague definitions of ‘high risk’ or ‘climate change’ to troll websites that discuss such issues.
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One difference between now and the great depression is that in those days much of the (rural) country could grow their own food – country folk today often don’t. We used to live on stored cabbage in the winter. (one of our staples)
Let those who are afraid to return to work stay home and hunker down. Others will return, use safe practices and do well. Time to get the economy rolling!
Right, except those who are potentially at high-risk like those with serious asthma or lung issues or the elderly have to go to work, or they will not receive unemployment. So they’re essentially being forced to choose to work and maybe die or stay home and starve. The economy does not have to get rolling, no one benefits but the billionaires.
They will have to put in safe guards in place to protect those who are at higher risk and unable to return to work. Billionaires are not the only ones who will benefit from getting the economy rolling. Those people still waiting for unemployment benefits to start and those waiting in miles-long lines to get free food, for their families, will also benefit. The self-employed will also benefit from getting back to work. Not everyone can work from home and continue to earn a paycheck. So far only 8% of the businesses that applied for PPP have received any money. Therefore, all those other businesses will also benefit from getting the economy going again.
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Do you have any evidence of people waiting in “miles-long lines” to get free food for their families?
A quick google search turns up pages of proof. Have you been living under a rock?
From Kaiser
https://khn.org/morning-breakout/food-bank-lines-stretch-for-miles-as-desperate-americans-struggle-amid-economic-crisis/
From the NY Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/business/economy/coronavirus-food-banks.html
From Reuters
https://www.reuters.com/news/picture/long-lines-at-food-banks-across-us-idUSRTX7EHU2
And many more reputable news sources.
“Do you have any evidence of people waiting in “miles-long lines” to get free food for their families?”
A quick google search of food lines will pull up pages and pages of evidence from many reputable news sources such as the NY Times, Kaiser Health News, Reuters, CNN, MSNBC, NPR, ABC, etc.
“The economy” isn’t an end to itself. It’s an abstract concept for production to meet needs.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKAY!
The term isn’t an abstract concept. It points out productive activity of a society as measured in financial terms and labor concepts.
If you want to believe some fantasy, that is your right.
An abstract concept is an idea that people can understand that has no physical form. By definition, “The Economy” is exactly that, So now you don’t know what you’re talking about on yet another subject, Polar.
Apparently, down vote counts do not currently support your position. But, ‘pseudo-BOTs’ haven’t yet been activated.
More important, the issue as to whether an economy is an ‘abstract’ concept or not is irrelevant to the present discussion. There are widely accepted monetary and employment data measures of economic activity that point to the well-being of a society. THOSE are relevant issues that citizens are pushing for, in order to improve their current condition.
Monetary and labor stats of an economy are definitive, not abstract.
Those are products of the economy, not the economy itself. You literally just said the economy wasn’t an abstract concept, were proven wrong (you are wrong) and now are trying to claim so what if it’s an abstract concept? If it was so what, why did you try and lie about it?
High risk individuals WON’T be forced to go to work. Stop in to a grocery store, for example, and ask their manager to explain their policies regarding workers potentially adversely harmed byCOVID-19.
No one with any common sense believes your lies.
“High risk individuals WON’T be forced to go to work.”
900 Tyson employees in Indiana were diagnosed with Covid-19, so their risk is high, but they ARE being forced to go to work. Seems like your statement is false once again, unless you have some evidence to back up your claim … do you??
Gov Reynolds just told Iowans that if they don’t go back to work, they will lose their unemployment benefits now and future forward. That isn’t forcing people back to work?
They aren’t high risk. Seniors in nursing homes, people in NYC subways, and poor ethnic minorities are at high risk to contract COVID-19.
High Risk (adj) = involving or exposed to a high level of danger.
But somehow people working in a plant where 900 folks already have the disease are NOT in a high risk category??
Not as high. This nitpicking proves your main objective is trolling.
Seniors have weakened immunity systems. Exposure to the virus is very serious. Workers in a factory are much younger and more immune to viruses.
Risk vs. High Risk. You are making another Straw Man Argument.
“Workers in a factory are much younger and more immune to viruses.”
Two unsubstantiated claims in one sentence. Well done!
Work from home and walk the dog around the block near your neighbors? You’re at risk.
Work in a facility where nearly 1,000 people have already contracted Covid-19? You’re now in a high risk group.
EVERYONE is at risk right now.
Those who are at high risk are the elderly like you claim, but also people working at locations where the disease has spread.
Risk vs. High risk.
Nitpick all you want about my post and use your definitions to criticize me if you like. Everyone who reads your remarks knows what you are doing (here) is disrupting meaningful conversations and attempting to discredit effective comments by Conservatives.
‘High risk’ isn’t substantiated by 900 people in Tyson being infected.
The seriousness of COVID-19 as regards the effects on the health of those infected determines high risk vs. simple infection.
MOST people who are infected do not suffer any serious illnesses, and in fact, many people were infected and didn’t realize it until they were tested.
Senior citizens are more likely to incur serious consequences of COVID-19, and even die, than relatively younger workers in a factory.
Trolls are more likely to use vague definitions of ‘high risk’ or ‘climate change’ to troll websites that discuss such issues.
One difference between now and the great depression is that in those days much of the (rural) country could grow their own food – country folk today often don’t. We used to live on stored cabbage in the winter. (one of our staples)